Why Avengers Won't Bounce Back - A Postmortem

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The 5th looter shooter, the 5th star of controversy, an Avengers story, and 2 knives sunk deeply in this games heart that I believe will kill it dead forever. This game won't bounce back. It can't. Here's why.
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[@Whitelight]

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[@frankzhang5201]

Hello, quick question when u mentioned what u think of deus ex franchise

[@stooly7885]

K

[@hasahn7]

Wassup White light. Really love ya videos. Listening to it as I write this but could you PLEASE do me a favor when you get a chance. Just take a look at some of my videos and give me some feed back. I Greatly appreciate it man

[@Mojavekight17]

too much money lost

[@TheMoonShepard]

I hope to god Deus Ex is revived, I played Mankind Divided and had an amazing time despite the length

[@eugenideddis]

“You can’t customize these characters iconic costumes” Injustice 2 glaring from a distance.

[@Agent1245_]

Marvel are some assholes when it comes to character customization in their games, while DC doesn't really care.

[@irvanray1898]

Injustice 2: Visible Confusion

[@ihatecommunism9958]

That's such a fun game and I enjoyed the story...

[@MattAlbie]

THIS. Avengers and Marvel Heroes both tried to be loot and gear games where the loot has no visual effect on your character and just... Just... WHAT?!

[@BiggieCheeto]

@@MattAlbie yup that's what made loot pointless for me. I wanna see my character visual grow and morph as I progress.

[@GreatDevourer1]

Deus Ex fans: " I never asked for this."

[@Tanner31904]

What a shame *lip smack*

[@Zood94]

I read it with growling voice..

[@ShatteredGlass916]

I can hear his voice wtf

[@igorthelight]

@@ShatteredGlass916 You have a secret augments installed ;-)

[@TheYourGod666]

I will always read this in the voice of Jensen. Just one of the laws of the universe that.

[@Sizifus]

It's a strange feeling when you look at a product and you think to yourself: "This is completely devoid of soul". Its artstyle is non existent, yet graphically it's a good looking game.

[@FatalFist]

Art style is right there though. I felt the story was fitting given how it brings nastalgia to Saturday Morning cartoons of the early 90s and I enjoyed that. No other Looter game has a story that complex. Division 2 is told through comms, Destiny 2's story is a joke really... don't get me started on Godfall. It felt like playing through a comic issue playing M:A.

[@Ivan-xk4uy]

@@FatalFist but the story has so many problems, first how does Kamala take a picture with the avengers if we never seen it?

[@dontknowdontknow9769]

@@j.d6009 no it's because the character design it's shit and a bad rip off of the mcu, and then here's the thing about the mcu that everyone is saying since marvel now.... "FUCK OFF MCU" no one want that in the games and comics; marvel future revolution look a lot more like the comics(faces costumes) and surprise no one is complaining and it's a fucking ios game

[@RAFMnBgaming]

Not an unfamiliar feeling, sadly.

[@Richtofen]

cold war zombies in a nutshell

[@Xemnas4]

"Loading screens so long, you'd think MauLer coded them." Daaaaaaaamn.

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

That is most definitely not a roast, considering MauLer calls himself the "long man"

[@Tacti_cat]

​@@rudolfambrozenvtuberOh, It IS a roast but not of Mauler. I watch both channels and I feel they would regularly agree on each other's critical perspectives of the respective media they create content on.

[@clappedcheeks3504]

"This game doesn't need a patch list. It needs a constitutional amendment." That was genius!

[@JaydevRaol]

😂

[@Herman_Hedning]

Hi

[@nyx8823]

​@@Herman_Hedning Hello

[@kamicloudss]

“the game doesn’t need a patch, it needs a constitutional amendment” and “the loading screens are so long you’d think mauler coded it” are my favorite things anyone has ever said about anything ever

[@aresrain7850]

I like the taskmaster line 😂 what prison are we keeping him in 😂

[@FirstNameLastName-xs9nx]

"thermonuclear bruh moment"

[@brianmayfield3474]

wait he referenced Mauler? When?!

[@icantthinkofaname5975]

@@brianmayfield3474 10:14

[@NicholasKarrMusic]

I thought he meant Mahler.. like the composer. Who is well known for writing very long symphonies.

[@moritakaishida7963]

This video aged well

[@ThePowerBunny]

Yup 😂

[@DigitalDevil12]

Was just about to comment this lmaoooo

[@caliginousmoira8565]

i come back to avengers, anthem, the division reviews/videos..... every few month's........

[@akam9919]

Haven't played the game, but your telling me Tony Stark, a guy who freakin' write his own AIs, creates tons of robot, and is an f-ing billionaire/millionaire/somethinginmyhaire doesn't know how to make a good password let alone code his own password manager with quanumn particle sync across devices for password transfer security? Yeah, this is shit.

[@tallietorchersproductions2740]

Yeah, you are telling me the guy who creates fricking VISION and ULTRON, the most advanced sentient beings by humans, can't ensure his security?

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

It's like when Kate Kane was like "Password's still Alfred right?" when that shit would be so easy to crack

[@comptoncompound7846]

I think it actually fits the character in a weird way

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@comptoncompound7846 No, it doesn't. They're all haha funny men but they're not morons

[@AvarageLikePedro]

@@tallietorchersproductions2740 Well, he didn't necessarily create Ultron and Vision, that's just MCU BS

[@chronenojysk5107]

Iron Man in Movies: "I'm the smartest billionaire that managed to create an efficient time machine" Iron Man in Avengers game: "My password is -I am Ironman-"

[@lordvonsteiner2452]

I couldn't believe that actually was his password. That's something an avengers parody would do.

[@ZaronNitro]

Then again, in Iron Man 3, he did announce his home address to "the Mandarin" through the paparazzi - purposely risking both his and Pepper's life in the process. For being one of the smartest characters in Marvel, he sure knows how to be an idiot at times. Edit: this doesn't mean I'm defending it. Just thought it was worth including.

[@Venomonomonom]

@@ZaronNitro typical haters grasping at shit that fit their hating profile. Nitpicking. Cancel culture. Marvel's Avengers is good imho. I enjoy it. Many do. Alot from those who don't enjoy souls games and Witchers. They are janky and handle like shit to me. The internet has a vocal majority who that bitches about not only the games deserving hate. Ppl hate this game bc it's popular and tried to be grand. Ofc it should have been better. Doesn't change that it's good still. This vid does indeed use the password thing as a WOW LOOK HOW STUPID HAHA

[@Ckoz2829]

I bet he uses that same password for all his accounts too.

[@Lorenzo-bo7id]

@@Venomonomonom people hate this game because its bad not because it tried to be “grand” whatever the fuck that means

[@arcuslux516]

Before watching the video: "This game is a soulless cash grab garbage" After watching the video: "This game is a soulless cash grab garbage"

[@tammushican4823]

Hilarious, I died to stage 4 lung cancer thanks to laughing so hard

[@Reseng]

@@tammushican4823 M8...do you need a hug?

[@tammushican4823]

@@Reseng yes, I'm sorry

[@The3dsstuff]

I bought it. i played it for an hr during the beta. i was left speechless by how gobshite it was. i hoped. i HOPED that the intro, would be the entirety of the game, despite being cringey and a bit wacky, it felt... fun, at the very least. They could of removed the multiplayer elements entirely, focused on the story and beefed it up, and made the game entirely like the very first mission, and it would of been fun. The reason we hardly saw any more of the game up until release other then the first mission was because there is nothing more. the game is completely fucking soulless. there is absolutely nothing fun about a grindy looter shooter, which doesn't know what it wants to be other then a black hole for wallets. I laughed my ass off at the i am iron man pasword scene. i thought it was so cringey and dumb, and within an hr i'd backed out of the game. i wish i could refund it on steam somehow I'm guessing as Whitelight said, the combat gets better with mastery. but it really just wasn't fun for me and i love beat em ups/shooters. god of war or borderlands any day. but by god, everything stuns, and everything takes hits that they shouldn't and everything is a fucking repeat enemy even within the first 2 levels and warzone. Its so disgusting. there is no innovation, and simply to high a dominant strategy of doing a singular combo or action. that or your forced into the "dodge scenario" that whitelight talked about. - You don't make a game only get fun when you've played it enough. a game should be fun from the start, and become more fun with mastery. its clear they added so much stuns, and additional enemies in order to increase difficulty (and the theme of playing a super hero) but it just, doesn't work.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

I don't even feel bad that they still haven't made a profit from this game. Even when the game was just announced and in early development, there was already proof of how to make financially successful superhero games. From the Batman Arkham series, and Spiderman PS4 (yes I know that Arkham games like Origins and Knight have mixed reviews. But there's no denying they made A LOT of money. Which at the end of the day is all companies care for). Yet despite all the evidence laid out for companies like this, they still went for a generic live service gimmick with the Avengers logo

[@kin4386]

Whitelight: "This game is only fun with mastery, so levelling up fast is important." Devs: "Oh okay." *Increases the grind to unlock skills*

[@Rhino_Playz]

I love how no one mentions Disney infinity where you can have the avengers against Perry the platypus

[@GM-bc5qs]

Perry the Platypus would slay the Avengers change my mind.

[@bobm_g]

@@GM-bc5qs perry would keep taking his hat off and pick them off one by one and kill them all.

[@GM-bc5qs]

@@bobm_g I would love to see the Hulk try to take on my boy Perry the Platypus. No contest. Brucy boy ain’t gonna have to worry about his anger issues anymore.

[@bobm_g]

@@GM-bc5qs fr

[@mullaoslo]

Who the hell played Disney infinity are you 5?

[@oluwahefner4194]

"We are looking at the world's first algorithmically generated plot" . Subbed and Notified

[@neil2451]

Why is every comment on this video made by an edgy anime profile pic?? Is every gamer the same exact person?

[@rubyy.7374]

@@neil2451 Furries: “Allow us to introduce ourselves”

[@ernobyl2969]

@@neil2451 ey man there's alot of people with depression these days

[@vitalorgan2946]

@@neil2451 who do you expect to be watching gaming critique videos?

[@JohnSmith-is4uu]

@@vitalorgan2946 so they are all you? 😆

[@TheMoonShepard]

Avengers looked so corporate mandate from the day it was announced.

[@rootbeermcgee]

I looks like something that would have shown up in The Boys looool, a corporate Seven game for Vought

[@chenchen6150]

And the fact we still don't get another Iron man solo games proofs how much potential it can make at least a good iron man games and break another curse bad Marvel game like Spider man ps4. It's really suck we don't get an open world iron man game yet.

[@Rise2Resist]

This game. When you wanted Earth's Mightiest and you get Avengers Assemble instead. 'Nuff said.

[@kellymccabe9154]

That is the best analogy of this situation.

[@enoo9003]

Earths mightiest heroes is a hidddn gem

[@grapeabbas7043]

Still prefer Earth's mightiest heroes over Avengers Assemble

[@nopsinops7547]

Earth's mightiest Heroes made basicly every character likeable, they got every character especially the villains comic accurate and great, there aren't any more comic accurate marvel characters like in EmH:Dr Doom, Ultron, Red Skull, Loki, Kang and many more. They also showed me many villains I didn't knew and love now:Baron Zemo, Abomination, Enchantress, Crimson Dynamo and basicly the entirety of A.I.M. Plus, they made Captain Marvel likeable.

[@Ziomaletto]

It's like when you want Teen Titans, but instead you only get Teen Titans Go.

[@jonathand.4088]

"Loading screens are so long you'd think MauLer coded them!" Hahahahahaha

[@MultiLetz]

"A Post-mortem" Oof! Whitelight not holding back any punches with that title Edit: * watching the intro * Oof, Whitelight not holding back any punches with ANYTHING

[@wombat7961]

Dear god that intro

[@terry2295]

he literally calls himself the dark souls of game reviews what do you expect? that sounds meaner then I meant it

[@SIGNOR-G]

@@terry2295 that sounds MEMEr than you meant it

[@Whitelight]

@@terry2295 I hope everyone knows the dark souls of games media thing is a joke. It's not satire or anything, it's just meant to beckon some "lols"

[@The_Viktor_Reznov]

@@Whitelight This video makes me feel like Raycevik and this comment is the first strand type comment.

[@frostsoul4199]

"Natasha has a slav squat." no she don't. the heels aren't on the ground. funny how the Russian woman does a Western Spy squat.

[@reality_is_sin]

Squats on toes break your bones

[@Tim_Belay]

@@reality_is_sin That's not really a concern for slav street gang as they just sit in the position, not doing exercise. And that is the way they do it, with heels on the ground. So either it's actually just *a* squat and that's a coincidence that Russian character does the pose or the devs did effed the meme up by doing not enough research. Obviously I'm not presenting it as a possible additional knife to the game, I'm just clarifying that it's not the slave squat

[@reality_is_sin]

@@Tim_Belay I was referring to the lyrics in a hardbass song tbh lmao

[@ncq7226]

Heels on the ground, comrade found. Heels in the air, best beware.

[@ridhosamudro2199]

Wearing too much high heels eh?

[@baileym43ish]

"this game's cut scenes are so long you'd think Mauler coded them." thank you for this. makes me feel like i get something others wont.

[@eugeneruby433]

10:14 "The loading screens are so long you'd think MauLer coded them." What a fantastic reference. Made me laugh heartily. I do love MauLer's long winded reviews!

[@iopohable]

isnt mauler that kid that spends 10 hours to say nothing? thats a yikes for me chief

[@austinpatterson948]

I jumped in the comments when he said that lol

[@SpookyShayOClery]

@@iopohable Bit of a misrepresentation but yeah that's him.

[@siddhartha894]

@@SpookyShayOClery Not misrepresentation lol. Its just fact. Used to watch him back in the day to hear out the other side critiques on some media I enjoyed but all he did was point of point out basic shit and when things don't act like they do irl, doesn't talk about themes or really anything. Mf just live streams so his audiences can donate him that sweet sweet cash. Don't blame it tho, gotta chase the bag

[@aperson1670]

@@siddhartha894 doesn’t sound like he’s not saying anything, more like you just don’t care for what he says

[@Liberator130]

18:47 - "In the comics, Tony wasn't very funny." Using modern comics is like picking on a slow kid.

[@Gnidel]

Wasn't he murdered by Captain Marvel and replaced by a robot clone or something like that?

[@PiousMoltar]

@Mikhail G Iron Man was my favourite Marvel character long before the movies. I'd read a few of my dad's massive American comic collection. And I personally owned one... yes one issue of an Iron Man comic. Also one Spiderman and one Wolverine. I'd also played the Sega Mega Drive Avengers game, where the playable characters are Iron Man, Captain America, Hawkeye and Vision.

[@dajokahbaby1506]

No that’s true, though, Tony was more of a serious character before the MCU. He made the occasional quip but usually he was a standard hero. I think the only exception was Ultimate Iron Man

[@Amory-wd3ws]

Stark used to be a suave sophisticate in the comics that existed before the MCU, think Clark Gable mixed with Howard Hughes-post MCU he just became an RDJ wannabe.

[@dankerbell]

@@Gnidel no he was put in a coma and it's an ai

[@suburbiad3vil]

I will now only refer to Captain America's shield as the "Freedom Frisbee".

[@jamescharlton4632]

Captain Chromosome 🤣

[@CBRN-115]

@@jamescharlton4632 that's Captain Marvel

[@noname.unknown_gacha8292]

Captain purtico

[@simoneidson21]

@@CBRN-115 “Angry Woman Bad”

[@Khoros-Mythos]

@@simoneidson21 The Left Can't Meme

[@user-qp5yu1zq1m]

I've never liked Kamala. I can't stand the "omg I'm geeking out" character.

[@TheRealUnkn0wn_289]

Yep, even tom holland's spiderman has this problem for me

[@hunterofthebigfootwithinte5609]

@@TheRealUnkn0wn_289 but even then, Holland still made it less cringy, and I do enjoy his performance as Peter

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

It's just a case of the fanboy/fangirl character being really easy to go too far and ruin the charm. Basically, you should make a character who just happens to be a big fan of whatever thing or person, instead of making being a fan their main personality trait.

[@mywifesboyfriend5558]

Marvel puts her in EVERYTHING. Hey Marvel! Nobody cares. We don't like her. Simple as.

[@dankerbell]

that mauler joke was a 10/10. shame this couldn't have just been a dedicated iron man game

[@Whiteythereaper]

Agreed, what a fucking joke

[@lordsemen489]

*"iTs juSt a bEta wAit fOr thE gAMe tO comE oUt"*

[@Pissicist2394]

*"oMG, Y u gOtTa bE iMpAtiEnT"*

[@MoistChungus]

Betas are just glorified demos nowadays, nothing changes we just get the full game later

[@michaelking2050]

@@MoistChungus I've noticed that. Everyone always says "that's the point of having a beta". Then the game gets released and the same issues are still noticeable.

[@chaellExE]

The greatest BS ever, besides cinematic trailers for a games closer to 8 bit crap and gameplay as mundane as this game

[@christopherwashi]

@@chaellExE what?

[@space-cowboy3680]

They really had a chance to make a New-Gen “Marvel Ultimate Alliance” and didn’t go for it

[@Gemidori]

MUA3 exists We're still playing that instead of this for a reason

[@gummyboots]

@@Gemidori who is we? That game despite being better died and fell out of public consciousness just as fast.

[@Ivan-xk4uy]

@@gummyboots actually no it didn’t, just because it’s not a live service?

[@galanakagalactus903]

@@Ivan-xk4uy Plenty of single player games that are older than MUA 3 are way more relevant. Even console exclusives. People were just excited to have another game in the series but it wore off and people stopped caring. Even after all these years they can't write a story or animate cutscenes that are anywhere close to the same league as MUA 1.

[@legendlonewolf6009]

Exactly

[@MillywiggZ]

There are Iron Man games. They’re called ‘Zone of the Enders’.

[@JJ18355]

Nah, that's more Gundam than Iron Man

[@Vesperitis]

The Infamous series is a better Iron Man simulator, only without the suit.

[@Warhammer_lover]

Vesperitis no, they're not.

The video just started and we’re already talking about Spiderman: Web of Shadows lmaooo. A real tribute to Whitelight’s dedication.

[@jaywerner8415]

"I'm currently experiencing a thermonuclear bruh moment" "This game doesnt need a bug list, its needs a constitutional amendment" "this game has more defections then the soviet union" Whitelight, nov 21 2020. best quotes.

[@maad1670]

bars

[@harlannguyen4048]

When did he say the first quote?

[@jaywerner8415]

@@harlannguyen4048 Right after the nuclear bomb expulsion footage.

[@pines3326]

How about "I can't see shit. Well, I can see shit."

[@jaywerner8415]

@@pines3326 Add it to the book of good one liners.

[@lowtiercharacter]

The euphoria I feel when we get a new Whitelight. Love your content, homie.

[@Justin-qb1yw]

It's like a teacher actually having fun in his classroom.

[@phoenixgauntlet5237]

We all feel it. We all do.

[@Pokemark17]

Same...

[@unc54]

Waiting for a new AC review. He always hits those out of the park.

[@IlMemetor72]

Saaaaaameee

[@bizzarofan2951]

Cd just announced they are done supporting the game you were right

[@Jarejander69]

"15 million loosers" Oh that magnificent moment of Rebecca's Freudian slip.

[@kyleyuen245]

Marvel Avengers: *breathes* Whitelight: CATCH THESE HANDS, THEY'RE RATED E FOR EVERYONE. EVEN SPIDERMAN

[@alexhiras7408]

its because of more money so parents allow there 10-12 years kiddos to buy the game. its only money matters anymore. i hope with the new gen this will have to be the 1ST thing to change

[@Vesperitis]

There is a Stan Lee tribute in Miles Morales Spider-Man. Not so in Marvel's Avengers. That's how you know they didn't care about the licence

[@mosa6949]

I just hope Insomniac's spiderman isn't tied to this disaster called avengers. If spiderman is in this game it better be square enix's own version of spiderman. I bet it won't even be that good

[@KingShibe]

@@mosa6949 you must be slow or something because Square Enix has already said they're making their own version of Spider-Man and that the two games were never even connected.

[@mosa6949]

@@KingShibe I didn't know they confirmed hence why I said I HOPE🙄

[@KingShibe]

@@mosa6949 don't care, this was already public information way before Avengers even came out.

[@mosa6949]

@@KingShibe So just because I didn't see their conformation on spiderman it means I'm slow? Wow

[@Purple-Jack]

"the loading screens are so long you’d think mauler coded it" has made my day and made me cry from laughter

[@mup8661]

"The particles do cardio with no hands." I love this channel because of all the hidden supreme references.

[@atlas6543]

As a Romanian i can tell you that you can travel to Romania for 3 euro rupees and for the rest 17, you can buy yourself a blanket, a vodka and a dog so you can have the full Romanian experience

[@murcielagoXO]

As another Romanian, I fully agree.

[@chaellExE]

As an European I’ve got to ask, what the women like

[@murcielagoXO]

@@chaellExE Some are beautiful but crazy and dangerous because they have ambition. Some are beautiful and dumb but have some hidden talent. Some are beautiful but only have a single core trait and no personality range. Some are beautiful and have all the personalities ever. Some are gorgeous and really good and smart people. They are beautiful nonetheless.

[@atlas6543]

@@chaellExE they love dogs, and to call guys dumb.exe

[@Ace_M.]

@@murcielagoXO Sold.

[@SiddharthShenoy]

It's scary how well the Web of Shadows trailer fits with the Avengers Game.

[@matthewmclean9607]

They had a licence to print infinite money and they made it a live service…. No wonder it collapsed

[@Corrupted]

A game having a soul is the most important thing to me, I don't want to play a product - I want to feel interactive art It doesnt always HAVE to be deep and thought provoking all the time, there just needs to be *something*

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

To be fair, a game would be nice enough. You know, something that's fun.

[@mattjindrak]

*yawn*

[@randomprotag9329]

brutal legend is a perfect of this for me. its a flawed game which getting the hang of the RTS parts is not that fun but its so unique and well themed that I am willing to get past the initial hurdle of the RTS sections to enjoy it more

[@EriesAston]

This game is 2020 in a nutshell. Very promising at the beginning, then it all turned to shit and then the shit was set on fire.

[@YGXP.]

My disappointment is immeasurable

[@trustypatches669]

Not really. This game looked disappointing from the very first trailer.

[@trustypatches669]

@gristle missle it didn't even have Hulk pounding Black Widow's ass, what a shit game.

[@andreirusu6998]

Has anyone set shit on fire? I wonder how it smells 🤣🤣🤣

[@testaccount8921]

Consolised microtransaction capeshit looked "promising" 🤣 ok

[@narutoownssuperman]

Bounce back? Their game was dead on arrival. They were charging people $60 for a service game with barley any content that played and looked like a glorified HD casual mobile game. The people who gave a shit, played it for the story and already moved on to better games. It’s up to Square to accept the loss and take the L.

[@anirvana]

@Adolfthejewbaka _ "Gaming will be dead" my ass, it's a multi-billion-dollar industry with amazing and massively profitable products releasing every month, gaming isn't going to die until civilization breaks down. 10 bad products out of 100 dosen't mean shit.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

@Adolfthejewbaka _ You have to be delusional to believe quality gaming is dying. Masterpieces have been coming out year after year and we still have more awaiting so long as there are people with a passion for gaming or game design.

[@Darkon2050]

@klaus “Quality games” aren’t dying, they’re simply becoming a little more rare as the big triple A companies have saturated the market with games that attempt to capitalize on popular trends and force monetization practices of all breeds to be implemented to satisfy their greedy hunger for money. Hopefully people will stop falling for these predatory practices and the companies that were once popular will be forced to make a good game yet again to restore any kind of faith in them.

[@RecentCobra]

@Adolfthejewbaka _ "There hasn’t been a masterpiece since 2013 you muppet." Your nostalgia is showing. There's be great games releasing the past few years

[@RecentCobra]

@Adolfthejewbaka _ Is there any point in me listing them? You're just going to say they're shit anyway

[@alexl6644]

"The loading screens are so long you'd think MauLer coded them" Pure gold.

[@jonahwarford3754]

"The particle effects do cardio with no hands." That's a deep cut for my viewership of KZbin haha

[@LeuvahkTrigger]

I watched Charlatan Wonder's video on Avengers about two days ago and thought to myself 'Man, this guys actually being pretty nice about this... I bet Whitelight would tear it to shreds on principle alone.' Hello two days later.

[@loldoctor]

hello

[@elusiveeye1424]

I hate this game on the grounds that we lost a sequel to Deus Ex Mankind Divided for this generic, repetitive monetization riddled trash.

[@markschroder1663]

Fr,deus ex is such a unique franchise

[@javierlandaverde4108]

I’m so mad too because I’m a die hard Deus Ex guy.

[@EggBastion]

As a Prince of Persia fan, you have my sympathies also

[@Overneed-Belkan-Witch]

Wait. They cancelled Deus Ex for this game? No wonder it flops so Hard

[@gptravis7355]

@@Overneed-Belkan-Witch yes sadly. 😣

[@ultimate1769]

"he's even in fortnite" sorry whitelight, in 2021 everyone is in fortnite its the super smash bros meme iron man joins the fight

[@TheRealUnkn0wn_289]

The only dc and marvel crossover outside the comics

[@ultimate1769]

@@TheRealUnkn0wn_289 true to bad master chief, kratos and Lara croft are here too

[@red_doggo7219]

I feel ripped off and I pirated the damn thing. This is coming from someone who gladly paid for Arkham Knight on xbox, ps4, and PC.

[@broisyougobbling]

Marvel’s Avarvels is one of the most boring, repetitive, and disinteresting games I’ve ever played. And this is coming from someone who liked Ghost Recon: Wildlands.

[@rileyodonnell8867]

It had a cool esthetic, I just wish that your choice of which branch of the cartel you took down would influence the story and how the cartel would operate. Like if you took out security they would be weaker, if you took out influence there would be more rebels etc.

[@UNMDnation]

You (like me) played ghost recon: same mission for 5 hours wildlands and thought this was boring? Now this is a personal connection I need, to not buy this game, that I didnt know was out until this video, and don't see anyone playing, and didnt even know it was announce, etc etc.

[@kaanakcay9670]

To be fair Wildlands is really entertaining if you immerse yourself into it while playing on high difficulty with as little HUD as possible

[@XyloTears]

I love woodland too lol but breakpoint is some ass

[@rileyodonnell8867]

@@XyloTears we don't talk about breakpoint

[@RichieW]

"sliding into your DMs like a Whitelight payed promotion advertisement"

[@terry2295]

thanks you made me laugh today

[@stevenbobbybills]

Paid*

[@AdminAbuse]

"Payed"

[@BigHugoSuave]

"A thermonuclear B R U H moment" is my favorite thing you've ever said

[@Montesama314]

I remember actually being curious about the game's story until the I Am Iron Man password bit. Once I went, "HAHA, WHAT!?" the immersion faded away. The game's story was just so... Standard.

[@OArthurFeital]

"Virgin Media customers to get Marvel's Avengers skins...." What a headline

[@NickJerrison]

Oh my god, is that the rEaL rAyCeViCk?

[@Raycevick]

Yes.

[@anirvana]

@@Raycevick lmao

[@92309858]

@@Raycevick hahaha:D

[@eaglesfannnn]

I genuinely forgot whose video I was watching after that intro haha!

[@FoZeJuv]

@@Raycevick love your work m8

[@kirbyc9042]

Imagine if this game was given to platinum games 😭

[@marceelino]

it would be shit. they never made a good game.

[@deathlyclaw9046]

@@marceelino didn't like nier? That game is good for me personally

[@marceelino]

@@deathlyclaw9046 not really all of those arcade jumping platform games are not for me. It's same as these avengers just boring. Not even the story can save the game.

[@groovychipmunk8819]

Babylon’s fall

[@Dext3rM0rg4n]

@@marceelino "arcade jumping platform " What ? Platinum make fast paced action game similar to devil may cry, not 3D plateform.

[@cactus_juice3217]

"The sixth star of controversy" *removes Warframe* *Laugh track plays*

[@goodtaste2185]

I bet Whitelight's password is Raycevik.

[@aryabratsahoo7474]

Try it

[@gabsnandes7818]

Oohhh savage

[@fapnawb]

"No... it can't be..." *Types Raycevik* *Logged in*

[@ursoanonimo8398]

"Hey guys, it's me Raycevick"

[@joeluscombe9150]

Perfect opening

[@runthejudes]

I don’t get it?

[@BrokenGodEnt]

@@runthejudes Raycevick is another KZbinr who makes long(er) form game retrospectives/reviews/essays.

[@runthejudes]

BrokenGod Ent. Okay haha thanks

[@hiddenshadow2105]

@@BrokenGodEnt I am subscribed to both so it was a moment of confusion to me when the intro started, although Whitelight's voice cadences/reading rhythms are very different.

[@DaveandhisDeathbeanie]

Not sure they'd be allowed to, any time soon, but I believe Rocksteady would be the perfect fit for developing a Captain America game. You've seen what they can do with Arkham. I'd even venture to argue that they're meant to make a game for characters like him, The Winter Soldier and Blade. It's a shame we're gonna have to wait a long time, at the very least, to see something like that if it ever happens at all.

[@stratuas665]

Two years later and Whitelight was right.

[@drago7317]

Bruh the "cardio with no hands" comment killed me. I see you too are a third eye of truth see-er lmao.

[@PKRockin7]

"The load screens are so long you'd think MauLer coded them" LMFAO

[@Nowters]

That's what he said

[@darksidegryphon5393]

This aged like fine wine.

[@JCdental]

aged like wine

[@maxh7085]

Still can't believe Deus Ex died for this game.

[@Assassino275]

@Kryptoskillet how old are you weakling?

[@JayDubayu316]

He didn't ask for this 😢

[@connorbutters8479]

Marvel's Avengers was the one time everyone knew that a game had about as much passion put into it as a slice of Tescos bread

[@mabbott946]

Come on man tesco bread is great If you love stale bread

[@DoctorInk20]

I greatly appreciate you talking about the lack of an art style, because I feel this game is the epitome of the _Marvel brand's current visual homogeny._ There's a compulsion as of late to blur the lines between all media these characters appear in and, as an unapologetic fan of the classic comics, I find it increasingly disturbing. It's almost trying to erase the past. They took the colourful, long-standing character designs and ground them down into uncreative, hyper-practical pap. I don't mind some extra details added to a classic design (e.g. the OG Arkham Asylum batsuit), but these designs ruin the very spirit of the characters. Like you say, *there's no soul.* There's not a hint of Kirby, Byrne or Steranko or any artist that made this universe so appealing. As for the extra outfits, I'm disappointed they didn't just give players costumes relating to the characters' histories. With all the hero worship from Kamala, you'd think they _wouldn't_ embarrassed to do so. Probably would've charged out the wazoo for them, but still. Think of how many people who could have been introduced to *Wolf Cap* or *'90s Thor* or *Joe Fixit Hulk* or *First Appearance Black Widow* or literally any of the *classic Iron Man armours,* straight from the comics. Oh the despair. -____-

[@DJMarcO138]

They actually had a lot of classic suits in the game...almost. They got close to a bunch of them anyway, but really only Iron Man got suits that looked fairly on point. The "classic" Hawkeye for example was absolutely RUINED when they didn't give him his folded top boots. Instead we got the MCU-esque Kevlar weave looking pants tucked into combat boots. Like....how you gonna have the eyes and the purple and all that...but NOT have the swashbuckly boots too? Sad.

[@DoctorInk20]

@@DJMarcO138 Exactly - Compromise shows their embarrassment. I say go hard or go home. *Embrace* the comic book costumes or don't bother. It's the same with Cap's head wings and buccaneer boots; the latter works just as well for Hawkeye.

[@fluidthought42]

​@@DoctorInk20 I understand the point, especially with cap. The lack of commitment for his helm makes it look stupid, it's not practical looking enough to be realistic or classical enough to be fantastical. Instead it's... just a weird looking bit of stuff on his head. This is for both movie cap and game cap, it's all shit. I do like the wide raised collar for his fit though, that's not a bad addition. Or the roomier trousers, but then again female heroes don't get the benefit of getting roomy trousers...

[@DoctorInk20]

@@fluidthought42 I've never been a big fan of Cap's helmet-mask. It works as a compromise for live-action media, but in any other medium, the classic winged mask can just work, though. It gives Cap a unique silhouette and there's that distance so that you don't have to worry about it looking odd on a real person. The movie costumes have just gotten progressively worse; the _First Avenger_ suit was decent, but every version after is a disaster. I like the USO costume, though. Tweak it a bit, and that's a great live-action classic Cap. I get where you're coming from with the roomier trousers, but part of the whole superhero aesthetic is the form-fitting clothes. Again, it works in something animated, be it male or female. Also "wide, raised collar for his _fit"?_ Could you clarify? 😅

[@fluidthought42]

@@DoctorInk20 Roomier trousers are sort of a necessity for stuntwork unless you _fully_ commit to the classic spandex design like Alex Ross. And even then, you might fall into Batman outfit problems (can't turn neck, can't do kicks beyond push kicks etc; there's a reason why Patterson Batman had roomy trousers). As for the fit, I mean overall style. The roomier neck avoids the discontinuity of a form fitting outfit that has no room for your head to go through, and allows the actor to turn his head (so no Keaton Batman for Captain America). Simple small design elements that allow actors to breathe and be comfy while on set in costume, instead of miserable and exhausted.

[@bish0p3473]

I love the way you approach your critiques. Very thoughtful, credit where it's due, and shame where it's due.

[@EDMINGREVIEWS]

I would just like to state that Eidos Montreal only contributed to the game's development. Crystal Dynamic was actually mostly responsible for the whole game.

[@zaneomega2]

Yea he seems to think Eidos made the game for some reason

[@EDMINGREVIEWS]

@@zaneomega2 not just him. I saw some other videos making the same mistake and basically focusing all their commentary on Eidos, whilst it was Crystal who developed....

[@Largentina.]

Yeah. Why do research before making a video? I don't see the point.

[@krovarus1911]

Honestly we have so many looters out now that we could do with some of them dying off and going away.

[@DinoDave150]

We could do with ALL of them dying off and going away.

[@xaviorbufkin7250]

@@DinoDave150 eh,warframe is good. That can stay. But I agree with you

[@BumbleCrumble1072]

It could end up similar to how only an handful of MMOs and MOBAs remain viable while the rest die off due to people gravitating to the ones who do their concept well and have large playerbases/communities.

[@noble14]

It's not even a looter game when the loot is invisible, that's just lazy devs.

[@imkirbo3094]

I thought this was gonna be about the films, didn't even realise there was a game...

[@John-vx7fe]

This was really spot on. I will say both Iron man and Thor felt great but the feel only keeps you on the terrible loot treadmill for so long. I think I made it a month and a half from launch and that was only because I had a couple of friends who also played.

[@thefervidactor8529]

“Hey it’s me Raycevick” I’ll admit I was listening to this in the background and I thought it was him

[@Skully_14]

Still can’t believe that Deus Ex 3 got canned for this sheiße game.

[@danieladamczyk4024]

gut

[@Texelion3Dprints]

At least now they know what to do if they want to fill up their coffers again. Unless they fuck it up too, of course. I wouldn't be surprised.

[@derekofbaltimore]

I thought 3 was mankind divided?

[@SolidSnake240]

@@derekofbaltimore Nope there was another planned after that.

[@derekofbaltimore]

@@SolidSnake240 so wouldn't that be part 4? Also why wouldn't they still make it? Red dead and GTA leap frog over each other. Also mortal kombat and injustice

[@saltyshrimppasta]

“15 US Pounds” My brain: Wait what?

[@henrycrabs3497]

Your videos are bad

[@saltyshrimppasta]

@@henrycrabs3497 I’m sorry you feel that way

[@Arkoin]

They drug this carcass of a game along for 2 years. It didnt die last month when they announced it. It died at launch. Or at the very least after the black panther expansion when they had no future content in the pipeline lmfao.

[@MarcsVideoDumpster]

I actually screamed when you showed Deus Ex at the start, it's been so long...

[@SpagheddiO]

Why is there a cardio with no hands joke in my Whitelight video this is beyond my scope of comprehension

[@rez188]

"Loading screens so long you'd think Mauler made them" This is the best KZbin channel

[@Birthday888]

It's a shame. I genuinely loved Travis Willingham's portrayal of Thor, and he's only in the story for a brief moment.

[@Whiteythereaper]

I get really tired of it quickly. He's been the voice of Thor in too many projects and it completely removes the humanity from him. The big chest voice Mighty God shit is so tiresome now after hearing it in over and over in animated series and the Lego games and it's down to the developers being completely out of touch with the character and just shoving the same Shakespearean cadence at him from an actor with a naturally Baritone voice that always sounds fake

[@Largentina.]

2020 is hilariously bad. At least we got Hades, Deep Rock Galactic and Ghost Of Tsushima this year though.

[@reapthewhirlwind6915]

Demon souls remastered: Am i nothing to you?

[@reapthewhirlwind6915]

2020 been gud to us gamer boys

[@Largentina.]

Hated Valhalla, but I'm enjoying Demon's Souls Remake and Doom Eternal, FF7 was fun too.

[@Largentina.]

I also really liked Elderborn, Hedon and Ultrakill.

[@Largentina.]

@shortythecat Yeah Ghostrunner was cool

[@letso1000]

next time they could try making a good game, i've heard people like those

[@letso1000]

you had 3 chances to be funny and you failed all of them

[@mazevlad2263]

@@letso1000 yo , murder's illegal mate , chill

[@Efishrocket102]

@@letso1000 damn

[@seb______]

@@letso1000 bro you ratiod him. He not getting back up

[@EggEnjoyer]

letso1000 Reminds me if an avgn joke “Then it would have been a good game, and that wasn’t what they were going for “

[@auliamate]

That’s a instant subscribe!! A+, I never knew I missed so much when I watched gameplays

[@ZoMbi5lAy3r]

"The best Iron Man combat system in a videogame" - Marvel vs Capcom's Iron Man cries neglected and forgotten in the corner

[@Severian1]

The fact that Deus Ex was put on hold indefinitely for this monstrosity still hurts. And then Whitelight goes and reminds me of it.

[@klonoa450]

Hopefuly after cyberpunk square will be clued in to let them make another

[@Severian1]

@@klonoa450 I hope so too. Deus Ex is too good to be kept on ice for too long.

[@cryptox1469]

@@klonoa450 man i really hope Cyberpunk is similar to Deus Ex. That would be awesome

[@tanker00v25]

​@@cryptox1469 now that's a thermonuclear bruh moment

[@TallMist]

"The loading screens are so long, you'd think MauLer coded them" "Next time, we'll review the Iron Man 2 donut scene for 7 hours" HOLY SHIT I was NOT expecting that dunk. Nice

[@Whitelight]

The second one was a dunk on myself.

[@coolness124321]

@@Whitelight You mean the 7 hour Death stranding review wasn't a MauLer parody?

[@itcouldbelupus2842]

@@Whitelight At least death stranding takes longer than 7 hours to play yourself so your critique of it actually saves time, unlike a 4 part 15hr length critique of a 2hr mediocre film.

[@tigamaki1345]

The key diff is whitelight is 2h+ after editing. Mauler is 2h+ because he doesn’t.

[@Pumba424]

Aged like fine wine

[@lennyscontent8002]

its kind of weird seeing the intro and going back to 2008 spider man web of shadows trailer and still remembering my reaction the the trailer.

[@AlshepType]

"Hey guys its me Raycevick" Killing it as usual.

[@echotheworld8686]

This game really is "Ms. Marvel and the Avengers"

[@TheFlash-rh2el]

That sounds like a good game, but this game ended up being a Destiny clone with Melee and a story that’s part climate change denial and part Joe Biden propaganda

[@Ravi9A]

@@TheFlash-rh2el that's an odd combo

[@awlordy]

Cool idea.. Just rushed

[@HBG313]

The campaign is like this, but the mp is completely different

[@zacam00]

@@TheFlash-rh2el joe biden propaganda😭 what are you on

[@fakt7814]

4:10 virgin in-game Iron man hides his reactor under safety glass, while chad Downey's Iron man was not afraid to keep it exposed.

[@adblock3123]

What Battlefront 2 pulled is a once in a lifetime event - 100% done for.

[@GanondorfGamerr]

Whitelight: Next time we review iron man 2 donut scene fooor 7 hours. Me: Don't do that. Don't give me hope.

[@yahela487]

This game is so boring i got bored watching the gameplay in the video.

[@reapthewhirlwind6915]

warframe so much better

[@Texelion3Dprints]

Told myself the same, even Whitelight can't make this post mortem entertaining.

[@Venomonomonom]

@@reapthewhirlwind6915 warframe was one of the most mediocre gaming experiences I've had, seriously I don't understand the insane hype. Is my taste objectively bad? Please explain why warframe is loved

[@TheBones1188]

@@Venomonomonom The game is free be and that is a lot of the initial appeal then the game entrals you with really well written world and characters. The gunplay is fun and the progression is palpable. You may feel like you've done everything but there is always a reason to do more

[@TeryJones]

5:03 - _"Take a drink anytime somebody takes a drink."_ Jesus Christ man that is an extinction level event right there X _ X

[@mikekirby2085]

This kind of sums up why games as a service dont work. Its not that something is inherently crap. But these full price games get put out with almost no content and are then told to wait for updates. Play a buggy shell of a game and buy stuff and it will totally get better. Then they pull the plug, i mean ‘have a dedicated team improving it’

[@childishmemebino6462]

"15 US Pounds" - You good there, White?

[@Joe-hp9yy]

Smooth squarespace advert Quote of the day - "This game has more defections than the soviet union"

[@jairuselijasmin8525]

We should demand a Snyder cut to this game.