Is the Brainworx BX_XL V3 just COPY PASTE?

The Brainworx BX_XL v3 is the update to the previous version, but how much of a real upgrade is it?
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Brainworx has updated their BX_XL v2 multiband mastering limiter to version 3. Is this just a simple copy paste job or a real upgrade?

[@zmpfl5044]

Damn! I have upgraded for 19 euros! That would have been 2 to 19 beers. Damn!

[@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY]

I rather use Acustica Audio LACE, A.O.M Invisible Limiter G2 (not the latest G3), and sonible smart:Limit. Marlon, do I need to spend more time with Bx_XL v3 or am I correct?

[@samuelnicolay6460]

Interesting. I feel that $19.99 is a lot for mainly a cosmetic change. It looks nicer, but harder too read. The only reason I could upgrade is the fear of having a V2 that is not usable anymore in a few years.

[@whitenoisestudio]

Thruth, if you get free updates and fixes for years, a ''new'' plugin version like this V3 is the other way for a company to make money.

[@RayTheProducer]

Love the PA plugins, and so much of it is essential: the old SPL, the Maag, the new Vac Attack and even the BX Digital V3, which still holds up and is something of a classic. This new style of GUI could do with a rethink however. BX Digital, for example, still looks good and not too dark. I think they started with the True Peak and kept going. I also wasn’t totally convinced about True Peak. Perhaps they’ve updated the algorithm and the new BX range sounds amazing! Another great video.

[@whitenoisestudio]

Yeah, I agree with older and even newer PA plugins - the Vertigo VSM-3, Adptr Skulpt, Beold stuff and the ampeg VST are plugins I always use. Dont know what BX is doing, seems so uninspired for a while now.

[@mikemccormick1624]

It seems that Plugin Alliance/Brainworx has missed the mark again. (see BX_Enhancer). I already own XL V2 mostly likely will not upgrade to V3. Thanks for being honest and thorough in your reviews. Doing a null test was brilliant in this context and your videos are ALWAYS very helpful!

[@whitenoisestudio]

Yeah the BX_enhancer was not that great either. I think the forst time for me were I really started to question Brainworx policy was with the Amek 250 vs 200. A null test is a simple but very effective tool to show if there any difference, it is 100% objective. Cant argue with those outcomes ;-)

[@a_doggo]

I love how scientific you are. Thank you so much for these videos. I'm not able to understand people who talk in marketing lingo, hype, and feelings. I've been told I'm on "the spectrum." Whatever it is, I'm very grateful for this kind of video. It has 10x more information that's useful compared to others. Thanks for the referral links, and I hope you get some kickback in addition to my support.

[@whitenoisestudio]

Pff everyone is somewhere on the spectrum for sure. Me included. Thanks for your nice words! Music is emotional without doubt, but sometimes it’s gets too much BS for sure. I try to be as honest as I can be, I think that has the most value for everyone who watched one of my videos.

[@reverendcarter]

i dont feel like they ever fully recovered from the flood, sadly. plugin alliance is still one of my favorites

[@whitenoisestudio]

For me it seems like the departure of Dirk Ulrich was the big pivotpoint.

[@montanamaxxamillion]

No after Dirk left and Native Instruments took over

[@MesutOtayOffiicial]

Distrokit still hasn't paid my $250. No communication. There is no customer support. I do not recommend. I can send you a screenshot.

[@whitenoisestudio]

I have only but good experiene with them. DistrokiD right, with a ''D''

[@alfredgrupstra]

You totally confirm my suspicion and even for 19 euro I will not update, I can't even call it upgrade. Too bad, this copying is going on since Brainworx and PA became part of Native Instruments together with Izotope. I want Dirk Ulrich back on the weel. It seems with his leaving the creativity is out of Brainworx!

[@whitenoisestudio]

I have the exact same hunch as you in regards of Dirk.

[@larrycavallucci3258]

Frankly, I am tired of all these "update plugins". I did buy the V3 and also already had V2, only because I thought the upgrade price was good. Otherwise, I wouldn't have done it. Izotope also comes to mind with their incessant desire to bring in more do-re-mi into their deposit coffers, now with RX 11. Plus I'm retired and while working, used my work income to subsidize the purchase of as many plugins as I thought I needed, and then wound up already with MORE than I not only need, but USE. How many EQ and Compressors does one need in the first place?

[@richcooke4086]

this was disappointing as I was considering buying the upgrade but I already have the true peak limiter so i guess ill just pass on it. thank you very much for you insight. unlike most I do like the GUI though. keep up the good work!

[@brennyC]

BX_XL V2 with Smart Limit is a good combo...

[@Dremix73]

Thank you for the video. Good overview.

[@whitenoisestudio]

Thanks!

[@R74-b7p]

This should've been a free update for BX V2 users. I'm very disappointed in PA. Loyalty means nothing to them anymore. I didn't use my voucher for 1 month, and they dropped it down from 50 to 25, lol 😂 And I haven't even gotten one for June at all. I think I'll just take my business elsewhere!

[@marshy_moo]

Burn! 🔥 Love it, Marlon! Aliases like a mofo, market department-driven release, utter garbage! Shame PA... oh wait, it's not PA anymore, it's Naive Instruments now! Lol, no surprise...🙄

[@NessunDorma732]

Is multiband limiting actually a thing ?

[@whitenoisestudio]

Sure. Why not.

[@kylebostick2601]

Try band selective limiting too 😉

[@elimilliman8722]

Very interesting and very well done video. That is very disappointing by Brainworx. I was one who participated in their survey of what types of things we consumers wanted from the V3. It’s very disheartening to see that nothing any of us asked for was implemented at all.

[@whitenoisestudio]

Can you chime in what was requested?

[@elimilliman8722]

I don’t recall everyone else’s requests offhand, but mine was having different saturation style choices on mid and side channels. I thought that would have been a clever way to affect tone and saturation characteristics and use the compressors a little less.

[@mthomas1091]

I kinda hate that “curved knobs” look (Baby Audio-ish…does NOTHING for me). However I did buy (Team $19 upgrade 🥳) & I didn’t have the True Peak Limiter. Haven’t demoed yet. At least bx acknowledges it’s a $19 upgrade (& when V2 came out, PA customers were swimming in $10 plug-ins from sales & monthly no-minimum-spend vouchers…so who even paid much for V2? 🤷‍♂️

[@whitenoisestudio]

Those embedded buttons sure is a trend, i saw it on other brands other than baby audio as well.

[@foljs5858]

At this point 99% of new FX plugins are scams... copy paste of library code they use and reuse to make different "models", tweak a few biases, and slap on a new UI

[@johnnyvegas2015]

well said...I'm glad i watched this video, thanks

[@elimilliman8722]

This lack of innovation is especially disappointing on the heels of the BX Glue, which I think is BX’s best plugin in a long time. Very versatile and useful for any buss compression task.

[@whitenoisestudio]

I started checking the Glue a bit but didn't continue. Have to check how it compares to for instance the brainworx SSL stuff and the Townhouse compressor. I have become a bit skeptical with every BX release.

[@elimilliman8722]

I wasn’t skeptical until this video, but I will say that I have loved what BX Glue has done for my mix buss and I enjoy the GUI and the control it affords verses a GUI based on hardware. The only problem I have with BX Glue is that, while not the same, it’s a real toss up for me between Glue and the Cenozoix Comp, which is also part of the bundle. What I’m trying to say is that, with a bundle full of amazing plugins, some releases are really beginning to feel redundant. I was really hoping for these new releases from BX to push the envelope the way companies such as Unfiltered Audio continue to do.

[@ronjamskeys]

I feel I shouldn't have to pay for this upgrade at all there is no justification for this

[@DariuszBlasi]

well - I kind of understand brainworx that they just want to unify the looks of their older plugins - they do look modern, nicer - although I agree that a bit too dark.

[@whitenoisestudio]

Nothing wrong with updating older Guis if its an improvement. And yeah the new GUi is a bit to dark i think as well .

[@kendydrechsler4956]

Being really honest, I don't like those newer bx plugins for some reason. Their analog emulations are really nice but that newer stuff with that (imo) weird GUI didn't catch me yet. I think this thing in particular won't replace a FF Pro MB. Adptr Audio stuff and even the Neold stuff in contrast delivers some really unique and useful plugins (especially Sculpt for me). There are much simpler and still much more useful plugins out there than this.

[@whitenoisestudio]

I cant shake the feeling Brainworx is basically only releasing for the sake of releasing ''something''. Quantity over quality.

[@BukanIbuMu]

I would never replace a multiband compressor with a multiband limiter 🤣

[@kendydrechsler4956]

@@BukanIbuMu yes of course, sorry I didn't pay enough attention to this plugin to even remember this is a "limiter" plugin.

[@kendydrechsler4956]

@@whitenoisestudio yeah I got the same feeling. But I also feel like they are going more of that NI route "put this thing on your track and that's the only plugin you need". I mean, if you try to build a chain with those plugins, what is the purpose of having an XL Saturator knob on each of those plugins. I prefer multiple tools each doing one task at a time very very well instead of one tool trying to do all tasks at the same time but mediocre.

[@glennloopez]

seems Brainworx are kinda recycling their plugins, just like you say. They have a bunch of great plugins, but I am not buying this or the bx_enhancer either. I noticed PA have released resizable versions of many of their old plugins (which I love) but seems like their are going a slightly different route with their Brainworx line

[@whitenoisestudio]

Each developer who publishes on PA takes their own route, I wished the Elysia plugin would become rescalable as well.

[@bangubw736]

Dirk sold his company to the wrong people smh

[@MPHORROCKS]

Since Dirk left, any faith I had in the integrity of P.A. and it's products has gone down the drain. It's run by bankers now, it seems! What a damn shame! Just endless marketing and window dressing.

[@whitenoisestudio]

There are still plenty of great developers on PA like Neold and Adptr. Love those plugins. I question Brainworx lately and TB tech.

[@MPHORROCKS]

@@whitenoisestudio Agreed.

[@Pummelfay]

Soundwide ruined everything