Did they clone Soothe 2?

[@McDSPTV]

Thanks so much for checking out the SA-3! We're glad you enjoyed it 😁

[@audiotoolshed]

You’re welcome!

[@zazyczech]

Thanks for comparison. One advantage, which I can definetelly see for PT HDX user is price comparison to Soothe Live.

[@audiotoolshed]

Which one do you prefer? Gullfoss vs Soothe 2 vs Smooth Operator vs Teote vs DSEQ 3 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZfHd5htppd1ldE

[@newguy6935]

I prefer DSEQ 3 as it has one feature the others don't - slope adjustment that allows you to specify slopes anywhere from -6 to 6. That makes a difference. That said, I actually try not to use these plugins much. Certainly no more than a -3 dB setting also.

[@williamshaneblyth]

Reso is what I use does a great job and easy as to use and see what you like or just let it do it itself but the little tweaks are simple to see and hear . Very happy with Reso

[@tendingtropic7778]

if theyre so close, i very much prefer the looks of soothe 2

[@htmm5167]

Do these plugins determine the difference between what may be a resonance or do they duck the fundamental and overtones as well

[@audiotoolshed]

Resonance only - as seen in comparison to surrounding frequencies. So its not harmonics reduction but things like guitar fizz or a honky note in a voice.

[@RayTheProducer]

I think you’re one of the best analysts on KZbin. Love your style of presenting. Very interesting plug-in worth checking out. I do have Gullfoss and Smooth Operator (very different beast though) but I do find myself using them selectively. With this profusion in this sort of plugin, one does wonder how all those classic albums were ever made without suppressing resonances haha 😅. Keep up the excellent content.

[@audiotoolshed]

Thanks for your kind words! Ideally you never want to use soothe 2 or gulfoss ( very different tools indeed). Using these types of tools is also a sign of the times where everything can and will be analyzed to death and where the skill to record something properly seem to have dimished a bit.

[@RayTheProducer]

@@audiotoolshed 🙏 golden words. Still, the tech we have now is pretty unbelievable.

[@audiotoolshed]

Tech these days has come so far and stil progressing at an amazing pace.

[@saardean4481]

agreed for the most part. However there are legendary albums of which I make "personal remasters" so I can listen to it more loudly without having to wear ear protection because some guitar is mixed completely over the top with resonances that really hurt. Of course it is a taste thing , others say "guitars cant be too loud" or "there is no such thing as too much bass" but nonetheless. Imho some of the legendary albums could profit from a bit of resonance suppression tbh. But thats just my taste and opinion . Dont shoot me!

[@saardean4481]

@@audiotoolshed its nuts you are right. i find also amazing that we have the best tools and best audio systems in history but on the other hand have a lot of music with the smallest dynamic range in history. Millions of dollars heavy studios and a -3lufs master comes out. Thats what amazes me. That there is still a loudness war. It hurts but its true

[@mikemccormick1624]

Another great video. Thanks! I hope the Windows version comes out soon. I noticed in your video that when switching between the two tracks that you first soloed one before muting the other, creating a short period of time when we hear both tracks soloed. In Cubase if you CTRL-Click on any solo button it will mute all the other tracks. This means that doing a CRTL-Click on the solo button of your muted track would automatically mute the previously soloed track. This would allow for a smooth transition between tracks without having to solo both tracks before muting one. But maybe you already knew that!😀

[@audiotoolshed]

That's one way to do it, i have always hated that workflow since it can mess up wat you're trying to show with screengrabs and also in mixing. I left that in as a little ear cleanser ;-) Usuallu i go for a different solo option, i do that for 75% of the guitar part ;-)

[@fredtimothy940]

This is an awesome plugin. Now we just need mcdsp to make a split eq clone to complete the blue collar alternate paradise

[@solarion33]

I'm hearing a huge difference between them when you engaged the delta , the SA-3 is more surgical in removing resonant frequencies while soothe 2 is removing way more stuff so its more of a shaping plugin for harsh sources in general , SA-3 is more subtle imo.

[@jessicad.555]

I prefer TBPRoAudio DSEQ3...😀

[@Jazzguitar00]

The price is definitely better!

[@jessicad.555]

@@Jazzguitar00 I think Soothe is highly overpriced. Price aside, DSEQ3 is much more flexible and has a more transparent sound to my ears.

[@---pp7tq]

Not the first time I hear DSEQ3 is better than Soothe. Yet try out RESO too.

[@MerajTypeBeat]

I had a gut feeling that you’d be making this comparison video. Just what I needed to hear, a comparison of the two. Thank you! 🙏

[@audiotoolshed]

You're welcome! A good friend pointd me to SA-3, for some reason i didnt see it via normal publicing channels.

[@mygoogle1525]

Would this work live or does it indroduce to much latency? Do you know anything like sooth for live performance?

[@ES60Hz]

It is disturbing to hear their difference when you mute or put both of them on solo between the passages. Why don't you use "Enable solo on selective tracks"?

[@audiotoolshed]

Because enable on solo is horrid when you want to do proper mixing in a project ;-) But disturbing, really?

[@ES60Hz]

@@audiotoolshedSometimes the difference is so tiny, like a bit of color difference, at that time it is critical. For me, at least (:

[@audiotoolshed]

I can understand ;-) Actually I thought about it a few seconds about it and decided to keep it in. It resets you ears in a way which makes the nitpicking on differences even more superfluous. On the guitar a/b part i have smooth transitions.

[@Tekkerue]

@@audiotoolshed I agree that an immediate A/B is preferable, although 'disturbing' is a bit much. lol In Reaper you can put both plugins on the same track, enable one and disable the other, select both plugins and then toggle between them with a keyboard shortcut. It makes A/Bing plugins and even groups of plugins really nice. Is there a way you can do something similar or do you need to have them on separate tracks?

[@audiotoolshed]

@tekkerue I usually use either 2 send effect or groups where I route 1 audio track to those two. when you have one solo, the other mutes and when you mute that one, the other solos. You can see that in action at the first half or so with the guitars.

[@AudioAssassin]

I have a gripe with Soothe2. It effects frequencies outside of the bands that you set up. I've recorded videos to demonstrate this issue and I'll soon send them to Oeksound. It will be interesting to see what they have to say but I'm expecting their repsonse to be some sort of copout excuse.

[@Jazzguitar00]

Has the thought ever crossed your mind....that maybe there's a way to do it but you don't know how?

[@audiotoolshed]

Well he's not wrong, soothe 2 works a bit outside the curve you set even by compensating for it a lot. But i dont see it as an issue.

[@AudioAssassin]

​@@Jazzguitar00Lol, no.... I've had it for a very long time and I've fucked around with it to the point of utilising its full potential. The band type doesn't matter at all. If you are looking to pinpoint a particular frequency range it affects lots of frequencies on both sides of your selected band. The only thing you can do to SLIGHTLY remedy this problem is to set up shelves on both sides of the band and pull those shelves done to slightly reduce attenuation outside the band. But it doesn't help much. I had to resort to using Fabfilter Pro-Q3's dynamic band feature on one particular project to attenuate a specific frequency range but of course that doesn't have attack and release settings so that was problematic also. I just hope that Oeksound will do something about the issue in future.

[@G-O-N-x]

Doesn't putting a low and a high pass filter on soothe2 around the range you want to affect resolve the issue ?? Of course it would only work if you wanna affect ONE specific range

[@ChrisPFuchs]

Yeah. I feel the same. I'm actually really liking the SA-3.

[@soundhealer8661]

From what I'm hearing it's close but I tend to prefer SA-3 especially on guitars. What do also count is the CPU usage.

[@audiotoolshed]

I can say that any change is mostly because of user error i.e. different settings. They're so close.

[@Jazzguitar00]

The McDSP did sound a little better on the electric guitars. The McDSP channel strip acts a little glitchy for me at times so I'm going to stay away from them for awhile.

[@SerhoYalci]

On the female vocal you didnt have fast attack on the sa-3 while having fast attack on soothe.. imo sa-3 it much better it takes more out of the resonance without effecting the Signal

[@PressPushRecords]

I still prefere soothe2

[@d-zone]

MAC only? Not the best system for pro-mastering.

[@audiotoolshed]

At the moment, yes.

[@solarion33]

been listening again , also in comparison to Dove. I think sooth 2 does the better job and "Transparency" is not really a selling point when it comes to this type of plugin , you either use it very gently or heavily and sooth 2 does great job on the heavy side , with lots of sound shaping while it can also be used more gently. its a mixing plugin. Dove is more a Mastering plugin I think or so it is being marketed and I don't really see the point of all the analog modeling. and the SA-3 has the advantage of running on DSP but I wasn't too impressed by it.

[@aemythjensen]

They do sound too similar. I own Soothe 2 so I'll just keep using it.

[@audiotoolshed]

Yup, same for me.

[@VCVRackIdeas]

soothe is better on distorted guitar 100%

[@AG-mz7vm]

Clickbait title. I think you are better than this Marlon. The McDSPSA-3 is a great plugin and before Soothe there were many Spectral EQs (f.e.Voxengo Soniformer, Melda Productions MSpectralDynamics, Toneboosters SibilanceV3). So please stop pretending that Oeksound is the inventor of these kind of plugins.

[@audiotoolshed]

So what exactly clickbait since it exactly tells what I talk about in the video?

[@AG-mz7vm]

​@@audiotoolshed The title for your Soothe 2 review is "Oeksound SOOTHE 2 - Vst Plugin Review". Something similar to this would be the right thing to write for McDSPSA-3. Not implying that they ripped off Soothe2, which will get you more clicks than "McDSPSA-3 -Vst Plugin Review"

[@audiotoolshed]

in other words - you dont like the title. And that's fine, no problem there. I will go in a bit deper here on youtube video titeling - Don't confuse engaging with clickbait - clickbait is something which sais something while the actual content is not delevering on what is promised - which I never ever do. Engaging is to tickle you into clicking something. Ideally the title you suggest would be working - heck I even prefer that. In reality unfortunately it is something that won't work. Mcdsp sa-3 is not something which is compelling enough for many viewers to click on , i learned that with the sa-2 plugin. And I dont spend this huge amount of time to simple have a dead video on publishing. Blame the audience, not me. Soothe 2 absolutely is engaging for many. You can trust me when I say i have some idea of what works and what doesnt , i spend an awful lot of time studying and understanding audience.

[@williamshaneblyth]

​@@audiotoolshedJust ignore him he's the one trying to click bait you