Who betrayed Firefly and Sam? (Honkai Star Rail 2.1 Lore, Theory and Story recap)

#honkaistarrail #acheron #robin #firefly #aventurine #firefly #sam
ok this time I have a good reason for using the same decription and its cause im sick and dont wanna type a new one. anyway talking about stellaron hunter sam, firefly and more penacony lore and story. still using the same description cba. talking about gallagher, sunday death and a bit about robin. gallagher the talk of the town cause of enigmata but what does that mean. reusing the same description as last hsr video im in a very lazy mood rn and just wanna sleep lol. this should clear things up about sunday death with gallagher in the hsr story however. jesus I sounds so cranky in the recording. i should not have filmed this after losing the 50/50 for acheron and then losing the 75/25 on her weapon but oh well. Honkai Star Rail 2.1 dropped and the New Trailblaze Story Quest featuring Penacony mission called The Devil in Velvet was a bit of a banger obviously chalked full with exciting lore, in it we learned more about the deaths of robin and firefly, gained some insight into acheron motives, and perhaps even saw Sundays death towards the end of the game. gallagher somehow despite being a 4 star became the most important character. robin looks to still be alive, and firefly is sam and we saw boothill and the everflame mansion come into play, jade has made an appearance and we learned alot about aventurine lore and his story. and guys please dont leaks anything in the comments. yes i saw the robin and boothill gameplay leaks, they look sick I get it, but les have some class fellas
Chapters:
0:00 intro
1:00 Firefly in Penacony story
1:50 How did Firefly return so fast?
4:52 Firefly and truths
9:22 Firefly and Mecha
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[@RePhantomz]

How did she failed to tell the truth 11 time? few that i noticed is: 1. chased around by the hunds while she is on disguise. thus no combat allowed back in golden hour. delaying her meeting with MC. 2. Distracted by Sampo (sparkle) stalking them both and forced to give us "tour guide" to rat the stalker out and later dragged around by said stalker to another little adventure multiple time including tatalov dream of trash king and adventure of hanu 3. Interrupted by clockie when acheron is harassed by the mob 4. Interrupted by Sampo (sparkle) again and sent to the dreamscape hotel (they are sent to different place and firefly almost exposed on killing the monster there) 5. Interrupted by the meme grabbing her. it almost forced her to fight there. 6. Interrupted by black swan who woke MC up splitting them both then run MC around the long way in dream hotel. (If black swan bypass the double door on the hall, where thy met acheron, it will led them both directly to the lobby much faster) 7 Interrupted by Meme again with it killing her without chance to explain 8 Interrupted by Black swan again that led MC and acheron on goose hunt for firefly memory 9. Interrupted by Black swan and acheron who ended fighting her 10 Interrupted by black swan who teleport mc to aventurine before she could grab the MC. 11. Stuck on dreamscape and can only waiting for aventurine event to end. You can see firefly face getting annoyed in those interruption. i.e: when she realized sampo stalking, when meme grab her etc

[@zigazav1]

All of these is mostly Black Swan, another reason to not trust her. Considering my past experiences with the Garden of Recollection by playing this game, I don't trust anyone from the Remembrance. Nobody has the right to take someone's memories. Plus, the claim of "memories don't lie", is not true. As someone irl who has had many times I misremember things, memories CAN lie. That's what I call "forgeries" of memories

[@vasilyfamilienko4318]

@@zigazav1 Black Swan herself said that if false memories implanted to everyone around and no one remember what actually happened - then it is not lie anymore, because there no way to know that something happened, because all memories and records are saying otherwise.

[@mischarowe]

@@zigazav1 It is possible that via her own viewing of memories, Black Swan can only see true memories, therefore she sees those as not lying - the ones she herself gathers, because they're true memories.

[@wobblestone3148]

I have a question though, what actually happened to the firefly body that was stabbed and turned into bubbles? What mechanic is that?

[@RePhantomz]

@@wobblestone3148 Still not explained yet. All i knew is that she was implied to turned into some kind of dream bubble substance based on the text when MC took her phone to see the picture. the phone dissipates into dream bubble.

[@motemo8413]

the fact that the person who gave the most info dump about The Family's HISTORY in Penacony is Enigmata follower is hysterical, what info do i even trust now...?

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

most certainly not his rn lmao, for all we know everything he said could be a lie given hes from enigmata

[@duskblade1119]

From a certain point of view, it makes sense that he would give us so much information. One of the best ways to conceal a lie is to bundle it with the truth. As long as the parts of the story that we can verify are true, we would be more likely to take a single important lie that can't be easily verified to be true as well. And that would be assuming that he lied at all. It is possible to deceive someone without lying by omitting key details and playing to their assumptions. It's rather like his disguise. Every element of his disguise belongs to a true member of the family, but no member possesses all of the elements at once.

[@Nataninko]

Trust no one

[@ezdepaz4363]

Any good lie has some truth to it though, but still would'nt trust what Gallagher said without any other sources.

[@idminister]

funniest thing to me is sparkle trailer: look look super crazy chick actual game: the most mentally sound of all the newly introduced characters sparkle life of a faker: the fakeness, the act, is her being crazy it seems

[@elchido557]

What I like most about this is it explains why Firefly apologized when he "died"

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

:D

[@AmariIzon-Charles]

HE?! SHE'S A SHE!

[@AshwinSoni01]

Wait i still don't understand it. Why did she apologized?

[@yolosilvia2005]

she didnt want MC to see how she got to the other side or smth

[@umascariatuerich2014]

@@AshwinSoni01my idea was one of her failed attempt to say the truth

[@PorkFork]

Penacony: The Resort of Dreams where all the major players are trying to kill themselves.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

:3

[@Malam_NightYoru]

As i say, penacony is a fucking game of clue

[@marchimarch8592]

In the anniversary event, you have an occurrence where you can cross paths with Sam, and she will try to tell us something (presumably "the truth") only to get called away by SW. ...I interpret this as Sam living an actual romcom, never just spitting it out before someone interrupts the moment. (cue 11 episodes of anime before the confession) Edit: I have seen theories that Firefly was on comms with SW and that SHE told her to go "mecha" after setting up the death, much to her dismay. Swan admits that her recreation of the memoria is incomplete, so parts of the conversation making this obvious might have been missing. Ie, it only LOOKS like Firefly was betrayed, when in reality, she was just struggling to follow SW/Elio's instructions, then tried texting our pic together before we showed up right when the meme took the bait at the planned location, hence her "sorry."

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

wait thats hilarious aha

[@Xcharge83]

It could be that SW can take control of the “Sam” armor which could’ve also explained how Sam was beating up stuff so quickly after Firefly’s death

[@mathieuaurousseau100]

@@Xcharge83I don't think Acheron would have recognised her in that case

[@Xcharge83]

@@mathieuaurousseau100 i was thinking about that, but idk, maybe somehow Acheron knew that Sam was Firefly’s beforehand and then didn’t know that SW was controlling it. that’s my only problem with my idea

[@_alreph]

The cubes coming off of the Firefly memory do look kinda like SW’s power…

[@istvancsanyi1344]

One of my theories is that the suit does have some sentience and tried to save firefly. But she had a mission so she had to die. Mecha sounds like a nickname a girl would give to their loyal armour. Also her coming back in four minutes could be two things. Either as you said and its time flow difference, or its the fact that she is so connected to the real world that she cant stay on the other side for too long. It could also be both.

[@jaysonocampo6472]

Yeah, just like the A.I Jarvis in Iron man suit

[@istvancsanyi1344]

@@jaysonocampo6472 Damn. That comparison makes so much sense and yet I didnt think about it. I cant call my self a marvel fan anymore TwT

[@ryanyang3774]

Oh, so that means I should think about dating the AI I gotchu 😮

[@aghitsaplane4262]

​@jaysonocampo6472 I'd guess it's probably more like venom,the suit doesn't have a will of its own but once it's worn by firefly is becomes SAM and SAM is his own will/conscience like how the symbiote becomes venom once it's fused with a host

[@barcodeverifier9256]

​@@aghitsaplane4262 Venom and the rest of the symbiotes has their own will tho

[@axolittle935]

Maybe Silver Wolf had something to do with getting Firefly back out of the barrier because she helped us get into the deep memory zone?

[@uncxmfy]

omg yes there’s gonna be an epic scene where they reveal what silver wolf does behind the scenes

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

i wouldn't doubt it. im just curious how firefly could have accomplished her mission so fast lol

[@SIPATGaming]

At the end of the day, no matter how you look at this, sparkle knows too much, she has to be working with someone VERY high up the family.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

or shes just him

[@user-fc1kv7oy1c]

Nah she’s just doing this for shit and giggles

[@AliceLycoris]

@@user-fc1kv7oy1c she's that person that finished a game and is now watching her friend playing it for the first time and making subtle hints for laughs

[@tomitomhy7819]

I believe someone employ Sparkle in Panacony, for who Sparkle actually work for is still mystery.

[@nightcorewb4949]

My theory is that Sparkle is working with Robin since the beginning. And it's a little strange that we're told that "Robin" is making appearances even though Sunday turned down Sparkle's offer to take Robin's place in the festival.

[@iamaperson5580]

It is noted that time can run differently in dreams and that the time in Penacony's dreamscape was deliberately built to be like the normal world.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

do we know the differences?

[@iamaperson5580]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Nope, we don't, so my headcannon is Firefly/Sam is a speedrunner.

[@gojiboy69]

@@iamaperson5580 so she M64 - BLJ'd her way back to life

[@iamaperson5580]

@@gojiboy69 EXACTLY!

[@gojiboy69]

@@iamaperson5580 God damn she's more of a gamer than Silverwolf

[@hiimbobbyo631]

Sam/firefly couldn’t reach where adventurine got to, that’s why she said she tried 11 times and failed. I assumed they woke up and reentered the dream pretty quickly and transformed in the dreamscape and made it back to the spot.. perhaps to get back to the trailblazer only for black swan to wisk her away leaving them with Acheron. I also thought the other mute was Robyn? Because she’s obviously not dead, but probably unable to speak either from being afraid to tell the truth, or being held by someone. That’s what I thought was going on but I’ve noticed so many conflicting census’s

[@nightcorewb4949]

My theory is that the 11 is the times Firefly tried to enter the other side of Penacony. Timewise it doesn't make sense that Firefly tried 11 times to tell us the truth, when we find her we don't even have an hour in the Dream. The 11th time she tried to enter the otherside was with the Death Meme and she fails and spawnback where she died, that's why we find SAM in the exact position. As for all the burned enemy idk maybe she tried to bait the Meme into attacking her by causing a scene.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

i feel like youd like the other firefly vids before this one lol. I like this idea too, but I will admit it also presents some problems.

[@idminister]

indeed there seems to be a time issue; but we know that time is not always linear in the honkaiverse so it could be those 11 failures were times when firefly (post meme death) wouldve made contact with MC (pre firefly meme death) the boundary of xipe for penacony could have time desync between the outside and inside the acheron we meet during the Astral Express's jump outside of penacony dreamscape is more knowledgeable about how the memory zone works than the acheron we encounter within penacony dreamscape proper

[@Kamishi845]

There are a lot of time issues with this event in general; after replaying the story in 2.0 again, the most noticeable is how EVERYONE knew about Firefly dying almost at the very moment after she did, but it begs the question, who spread the news and so quickly? It cannot be Acheron because she's considered a trespasser who is not really allowed into Penacony and we later see her face off with Sam, it cannot be the Trailblazer because he's with Aventurine, it cannot be Aventurine because he was not at the scene and he reveals that he did not know about Firefly until after the fact, and it cannot be Black Swan because she was with the Trailblazer and Aventurine. So reasonably speaking based on who was present, the only person who could have spread the news about Firefly's death was Firefly herself, but she was also a wanted stowaway and Sam is a Stellaron Hunter and would never be allowed to set foot on Penacony. There would no reason for her to that. So the only other plausible possibility is that it must have been Gallagher, because at least we know he is connected to the Memory Zone Meme, even if we do not know how and we do not know if he was actually present at the scene. It would also explain how the Family got news about it so quickly because it makes no sense for anyone to spread the news about Firefly dying, at least not so quickly, because you don't know how the Family is going to react to the fact when they come to realize that the PC is breaking every rule there is in Penacony, amicable terms or not. Another thing which irks me is the obvious intent to hide Sam's true nature by having Silver Wolf for example refer to him with male pronouns. I feel that good mystery stories should not intentionally obfuscate clues so the player cannot figure out the plot themselves. As much as we could have speculated that Sam and Firefly were the same person, there was simply no real evidence to support it besides certain events seeming to be correlated. However, correlation does not mean causation.

[@kenkaneki3873]

Very easy answer. Mecha is Sam. She called out Mecha because her transformation didn't work. She said Mecha instead of Sam because she's Sam not the armor this is similiar to saying something like "stupid controller" if it starts drifting etc. The "betrayel" was Silverwolf. Each Stellaron Hunter has their own script that the other members do not know about. Very likely, SW's script told her to create a scenario that would force Firefly into a different route and be killed by the Meme infront of TB. Sam malfunctioning would also be explained by this as Silverwolf has Aether Editing which literally allows her to hack reality if she feels like it so she most likely hacked the armor and made it unusable until she get's stabbed. In the same scenario, SW probably hacked a backdoor route for Firefly to return back minutes later as Sam

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

you and i have very different definitions of the word very easy lol, also if you dont mind me asking where did u get each stellaron hunter doesnt know about the others script? Following Silver Wolfs story quest, the last scene with her and kafka indicate theres some level of knowledge with regards to eachothers scripts, kafka says to silver wolf "im in elios next script, did you forget"? and responds silver wolf states shes not in it, so it sounds like they are aware of one anothers scripts. also i dont think we know enough about firefly and sam, to definitively say whether the transformation broke down for some reason when we arent aware of how it works, but I would like to hear ur reasoning if youve got more

[@kenkaneki3873]

​@@DawitsLookingforEmiliaSW's text messages have her talk about how there's parts of the script that other members do not know about. They still have a general script they share between each other but there's secret parts ment only for the person themselves that they're not supposed to share with other members.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

ahh I see. so in this scenario Silver Wolf was the one pulling the strings, whilst Firefly was blissfully unaware of what was going on? my only problem with it is in the moments before her death she seemed to be pretty aware of what was going on, and even noticed there was a connection between the watchmaker and the meme, but if she wasent thinking out loud but like we thought but was rather speaking to someone (e.g. silverwolf), it would make a bit more sense in that regard ig

[@kenkaneki3873]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Yes basically the person she was talking to in the memories was Silverwolf. At some point she enacts her part of the script. Firefly doesn't know what's going on so she tries to transform to get out. She notices it doesn't work and that her route is cut off so she heads outside on a different route. We catch up with her shortly after. This moment is crucial and despite being a meme face I think people overlooked the body language that happened. Firefly turns around and has a very serious look as she turns around but instantly softens her expression in the next second after she sees TB is here too. This is crucial because it implies at this moment she truly didn't know what was going to happen and the mere arrival of TB made her drop her guard.

[@silverX3870]

​@@kenkaneki3873 my God bro is yapping hard

[@Wingy_]

I can only assume sam is not just fireflys armor, but also a second sentient mind. Think of tony stark and Jarvis/Friday

[@ScourgeNagash]

It might also be worth exploring that Black Swan could have just been lying with the memories, or at least being very selective. She was trying to get Acheron and Sam to fight so she could get TB away from them. Making it look like "Sam" betrayed firefly would be a good way to get Acheron to fight without letting "Sam" explain.

[@farizr.batarai8271]

Yeah that could work

[@elchido557]

I also think that who they are referring to as the person who cannot speak has to be Robin, since if you see the notes where Sunday is and you hear her speak in 2.0, welt and himeko mention that.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

the definition of mute changed in 2.1 originally aventurine thought it meant "someone who cannot make a sound"- Robin but in 2.1 he realized there was another mute whose "someone who cannot speak"- Firefly so yes robin is a mute, just not the mute he needed to find

[@valvatoreznetherworldtyran6044]

@@DawitsLookingforEmiliano it’s still robin but for a different reason when they say “can’t speak” they don’t mean literally they mean that she is unable to share the info for whatever reason. Besides firefly never made it to the other side.

[@FichaGris]

​@valvatoreznetherworldtyran6044 Doesn't also Adventurine specifically ask Sparkle weather Robin was actually the mute he needed to befriend, and she said no? (She implies she wants to say no since Sunday is watching) Edit: Also, I agree with you about Firefly not going into the other side, Sam's objective since the start was to fight Acheron and be "killed".

[@valvatoreznetherworldtyran6044]

@@FichaGris she tells him that he will end up like robin unable to speak again.

[@neomori_yeet]

@@DawitsLookingforEmiliayes but firefly did not pass into the void- she tried 11 times and failed- thats why she tried provoking acheron to killing her??

[@barcodeverifier9256]

I think the armor probably has some sort of sentience to it Firefly (in Sam form) said she tried to reveals the truth to Trailblazer multiple times but failed 11 times And I think some of the failed attempts are when Firefly get caught by the Death Meme for the first time, she looks like she's trying to do something (summon Sam probably) but failed. It's like the armor won't allow her to do that, cuz it was off 'script' And her conversation with 'mecha', where she said "This is not what we agreed" also sounds like she wants to do something off 'script' again and yet, the armor won't allow her to, again

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

this is originally what i figuered, but her being in the armor, and acheron calling it a cold armor mad me think other wise

[@meiwasstruc2914]

When she "tried" to summon her armor when she was grabbed by the meme, it feels more like she was about to call for her armor, but then changed her mind, showed by her clenching her hand like she was about to fight back, then releasing it

[@serenitysilvermoon]

My theory is the 'script' she talks about is actually Elio's script and that Elio possesses some kind of ability to make the 'actors' follow the 'script'. Revealing the twist too early would be going against the script. And another time she tried to tell TB the truth was the scene at her secret base EDIT: This would also fit if Firefly is "one who cannot speak" since she can't go off script

[@rivernlong5979]

Consiering this is memory-space, what about the following: Firefly is Sam, and Sam is Firefly. But! Sam and Firefly are distinct enough personas that 'Sam' can act individually in the Memory Zone. When the Meme died, the part of her that is humen (and thus can dream/experience death/w.e.) was jetisoned too the other side of the barrier, tied like by a Bungee cord to Sam. So she got a few moments beyond the barrier before Sam - acting as an anchor - pulled her back in. Maybe that's why Sam went on a rampage - and why he acted so un thought out in his attempt to get us away from Black Swan. Because is was 'just Sam', as it were, just the killing machine and not the girl.

[@ToothpickSamurai]

I just thought about something, if Gallagher is a minion of enigmata then wouldn't his ultimate goal be to obfuscate the truth? So then why would he control 'Death' an entity that seemingly sends people directly to the truth. It is adds correlation to the 3 murders we know were committed by 'Death' that they were all seeking the truth and also adds weight to the words that Gallagher spoke at the end. "It's all just fate playing a cruel joke on us." the joke to Sunday being that Robin is dead but not dead, and the joke on Gallagher is that 'Death' keeps revealing the truth to everyone seeking it when he wants to keep it hidden.

[@chobotong]

i've a feeling firefly manages to escape the depths thanks to her illness which supposedly causes the line between reality and dreams to be blurred for her? idk

[@kingcrowbro2486]

I stand-by my theory that "Sam" and "Firefly" are different entities - my guess is that Sam is like an on-board A.I. for the armor. The Iron Calvary Knights (which Sam is all but confirmed to have been a part of) reportedly took their orders from a figure who was known as 'Titania the Empress'. It would seem that either Firefly just, straight up *is* Titania or she's acting as a stand-in for her, and that's why "Sam" follows her orders...m-mostly it would seem. The implication seems to be that the OG Calvary knights couldn't disobey Titania, but Firefly very *obviously* doesn't have that same level of control over Sam. My guess then is that they had a disagreement on the plan (it seems most likely that 'Mecha' took exception to the idea of *letting Firefly get herself killed* because DUH), but our determined little performer found a way anyways. I also stand-by my theory that Firefly knows *how* to get the Land of Exile but has repeatedly failed to actually crossover - there'd be no need to try and bait Acheron into slashing her if she had seen everything already. So most likely? She 'died' and then very painfully *bounces* off the barrier and back into the Memory Zone proper.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

i too like the idea that sam tried to prevent it, sounds wholesome lol, but everything's up in the air rn

[@insertnamehere1398]

8:35 because this takes place AFTER he found her. and sparkle said aventurine would never find irefly AGAIN as in AFTER the incident where he SAW the fight past tense future tense

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

shouldnt it be after firefly got stabbed?

[@a.d.n1371]

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[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

aw ty

[@nekochen]

Before you ask who Firefly or Sam is, you have to know that, Sam is the Glamoth's very last Iron Cavalry Knight, an artificially created lifeform to fight against the Swarm. The planetary ornament relic Glamoth has the image of an Iron Cavalry Knight in it. Now, I think Sam and Firefly are the same person, or more precisely, a mecha core and a pilot created together as one single entity of the Iron Calvary Knight. As an artificially created lifeform, I guess they cannot dream, just as Sam said he can't dream, but that begs the question of how he enters the dreamscape, which only led to one answer - Silver Wolf's hacking. I'm guessing if someone who cannot dream, they can't pierce the barrier to cross into the other side, the true Penacony, therefore Sam tried 11 times of killing him or herself, but none worked... Another interesting point, I don't think Firefly's actual body is in Penacony at all, he's being injected by Silver Wolf remotely. As for Gallagher, I have my doubt that he's also one of the Masked Fool, taking facets of dozen other people to create his dreamscape avatar - that nobody from the Bloodhound recognize this person. Either that... or Gallagher is the watchmaker (or his assistant), because he's so omnipotent to be able to bypass Family's control and create his avatar like that, as well as controlling the Death's Meme to his bidding... or should I say invite them to the other side of the barrier through stabbing them 🤣

[@Ordell1991]

I don't think Gallagher is one of the Fools.

[@G3RARDB3AR]

Gallagher literally says he's one of the Watchmaker sons and call Sunday "brother" before killing him

[@shinigamiryan5837]

​@@G3RARDB3ARThe brother is actually more akin to mocking Sunday. Sunday was adopted into the Oak family and isn't related to the five lineages.

[@FormerEmiliaBestWifi]

This theory is mindblowing you're absolutely right

[@SnailSnail-lo4pm]

He's a follower (at the very least) of Mythus, not Aha. It's stated directly in the ending to 2.1

[@diobrando6919]

Elios's is script is so convoluted that she had to pretend that there was another guy riding the rider armour. And also the script also produced the most efficient way to get out of this realm.

[@jamiejam9976]

But we were told the script. It was literally just "get these schmucks to go legacy hunting".

[@bialbiallu6143]

I would say a lot of what happened with Sam can be attributed to the script. Elio can see different possibilities, regardless of the complexity of the situation (on the Luofu Kafka is questioned by the Matrix, this working based on knowledge from Nous), or the variable outcomes (in Kafka's story she knows what our refusal changes the possible future into). Sam probably had 11 possibilities to take a detour in the script to "create" a moment in time when she could reveal to us her identity, but at the end we see only the reveal and the failed attempt. Considering how quickly and cleanly Kafka and Silver Wolf conducted their mission on Herta's space station... For Sam to place herself in front of the meme, in the correct spot at the correct time for the version of events she was already told would happen, to trick Black swan and to still beat Aven on the time schedule... It seems appropriate. Also Sam is definitely the most efficient, precise and no-bs of the Hunters from what we know of their description. A precise performer for this script.

[@rubiepie]

It is also a possibility that, when someone enter the barrier. Time slows down so much that, it feels like hours or days inside it but only a few hours or minutes has passed.

[@nizidafabie]

what firefly says to us in the end really eludes to the samsara and how the hoyoverse has timeloops in it

[@Shoupa]

I think the "Mecha" could still refer to "Sam" as in the armor itself It's not said anywhere that it is incapable of working autonomously through a built-in AI, the Galmoth planar set does imply that those Mechas seem to have autonomy while they are directed by "Titania". To support this, in the fight against Sam, we only see it use normal fire attacks and yet, in the White Night trailer, we can clearly see Sam use another kind of energy. It's still just a theory based on our current knowledge that this energy could be something used only when Firefly is pilotting Sam

[@vinny8589]

SAM is possibly an acronym for Fireflies Kamen Rider style armor. Such as System Assault Mech, OR if Fireflies conversation about her illness being indeed Fact, Survival Assistance Mechanism or S.A.M. Its just a theory however. Your thoughts ?

[@anthonylaw276]

Or maybe Stellaron Acquisition Machine

[@jamiejam9976]

​@@anthonylaw276the stellaron hunters already had a stellaron though and they gave it away Oprah style.

[@vinny8589]

@@anthonylaw276 yeah the thought of Stellaron in the name also fits. But it makes more sense with the fact Firefly herself said she was sick in the real world so it makes more sense that that Kamen Rider style armor also serves as some kind of Survival function to keep her alive.

[@c_jades]

SAM stands for Swarm Annihilation Machine, from the Iron Cavalry of Glamoth. Check Frontline Firmament Glamoth planar ornament set lore

[@bakashiro]

@@c_jades no it doesnt

[@ShadowNavi82]

I thought the second mute was Clockie since when playing as Adventurine he couldnt see the birds that are related to Clockie and all the extra stuff only the trailblazer and misha are confirmed to see. Fits all the criteria still on penacony, cant be found by aventurine, and cant take the stage.

[@meeltera]

9:27 : i think firefly wasnt talking to "mecha" here, but instead, repeating what the one that was with her said. i dont know about the original script/how its translated in other languages, but to me, it sounds like the traitor found out her identity as sam and mentioned the mecha; so obviously shed be surprised anyone else knows about this appearance... idk tho we have very little trustworthy information available, so its hard to say :o

[@c_jades]

This was my thinking too, because it didn’t make sense to me for her to both BE sam and also walking WITH sam. Especially because she says “This wasn’t what we agreed on” (what pilot would have to make an agreement with her mech? Maybe with the silver wolf controlling sam idea thrown around in these comments, but that feels iffy to me too)

[@c_jades]

My theory is Gallagher knew she was SAM from the start, but deliberately misdirected the bloodhounds chasing her so he could strike a deal with her. He was the one she was walking with in the Reverie, and the one who betrayed her. We know how rhetorical Gallagher can get from how he spoke to Sunday at the end of 2.1, so it would make a lot of sense if it was a similarly rhetorical conversation that prompted Firefly to say “Mecha…?” in response.

[@hiroshiendou5367]

I think the truth can not be said if you are in the dreamscape. It automatically sets you on mute if you try to reveal the truth. I think this is why Robin cant talk since she found the truth but was silenced and she cant also use her voice which is given by the harmony due to the restriction. Firefly cant say the truth since they are actually mute. In the story quest firefly mentions that she has a sickness causing her body to be unable to move. I think this is why Sam is a bit of a different entity since sam is her caretaker/robot butler who she is incased in. Like a mecha pilot stuck in the suit and the suit is the only thing keeping her moving/alive

[@GPSiu]

Re the Mutes that Sparkle mentioned: - "But one is dead now": This could be the ("original") Watch Maker, Mikhail. By all accounts (Gallagher) he's now dead "in a place where no one could find him". - "the other... Though HE's still in Penacony, I'm afraid you'll never find him again": Either he's an actual "He" ( barring a mistranslation / misdirection in the dialog), or it refers to someone vague... Which 4star, ice character, who can't be heard or seen by anyone else in Penacony have we not seen in a long time? That leaves the question: did Firefly or Robin actually reach that Special place? Robin: Possibly didn't, but is being kept hidden by the Family because she was getting too close to the truth. Firefly: Mecha could be some sort of sentient armor that is "protecting" Firefly. If you think of "Sam" as the sentient armor personality (think Iron Man's armor), that is meant to protect Firefly from harm and he found out that Firefly was planning to "die" or how far Firefly was actually willing to go to get to the Watchmaker's Legacy, Sam could be the one who lead her into the dead-end and locked the room. This could also explain how Firefly was able to get back so soon: As soon as her vital signs dropped, some sort of internal defibrilator kicked in and revived her.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

apparently in cn sparkle says “she”

[@GPSiu]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Well, crap, I double checked that reddit post and yup, that's "She".

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

@@GPSiu ye eng team fucked us all up lmao

[@infinitygamecosmic9171]

On a completely unrelated note, Elio relationship with everyone is quite interesting. For lore reason I'm keeping tab on all of them (only canon stuff i know of tho). Weather you hate him or love him I think we can all agreed, that dude MAX out his Charisma stats. Kafka stay with Elio till she can fear death. Kafka herself implies that Elio and her might have bang. Kafka: Elio gift you to me as a gift The "gift" here could have 2 different meanings. MC's relationship with Elio is quite interesting as well, according to Blade MC use to work with Elio and following Kafka around. If this is true then the version of MC that didn't lose their memories most likely trusted Elio so much to the point of agreeing to have their memories wipe just to follow his plan...kinda insane to be honest. Silver Wolf is a simple one she just want to follow Elio around that's about it. According to the web event minigame . When Silver Wolf first join the group Elio assign Silver Wolf her first mission. Elio also assign Kafka to assist Silver Wolf , Kafka didn't feel like doing it so she pushes that responsiblity on to Blade and that is how Silver Wolf meet Blade for the first time. From what I know Blade's relationship with Elio is pretty good. According to Kafka from the web event. Blade and Elio did not get along at first but after sometime the two of them have become quite good friends. Blade stay quiet and didn't denied any of Kafka's claim. For Firefly she straight up decided to stay with Elio till the day she die. Other than that not much lore yet Fuli the Aeon of remembrance. Fuli did mention Elio by name once and they also tell us Elio's goal. Still not sure what kind of connection these two has tho. Acheron also knows who Elio is, addressing him as Destiny's Slave, not only that she also know about the "script". From what I know, only those who knows about Elio will address him either by name or by his title and so far only those from the Stellaron Hunter would know about the "script". She also ask did Elio put her in the "script" and this is why Sam/Firefly ask Acheron "who exactly are you?" Still not much lore yet Jingliu. Hear me out During the Quintet quest Jingliu did mention Elio by title when talking with Blade.(she ask something about Elio but I forgot) According to Jingliu story she survived the fight with Jing Yuan (not sure how, maybe someone save her) and then she traveled to multiple worlds to find a cure for her Mara struck and apperantly someone help her. Now she got that blindfold . Is this connection a bit of a stretch? Yes. Believe it or not Sparkle is also here. Near the end of Penacony first quest if you decline Adventurine's offer then talk to BlackSwan at the exit door a credit screen will start playing, everybody got the ??? Except for Sparkle so this credit screen was created by her. The interesting part here is that during the very end of the credit screen she put "Script Superviser" and under it she put Elio's name. Other than this I got nothing else.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

did jingliu really mention elio?

[@infinitygamecosmic9171]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Jingliu: the immortality that you possess is not something that can be dealt with so easily. I am sure Destiny's Slave already told you that the swords of mortals are incapable of killing someone with the flesh of an Emanator. Blade: He did...but you still owe me the attempt.

[@zmtypesun110]

Well, There are still a lot of puzzle pieces out there that haven't been revealed, besides we also still don't know much about Sam/Firefly, about her past, about her true power, about her role in stellaron hunter, so there are still a lot of mysteries that haven't been solved to connect the story that actually happened, and dont forget we still have our MC that also still have many miysteries... Is stellaron that MC had effecting penacony? Because the story this far in penacony doesnt mention any stellaron issue, since why stellaron hunter involved whit this problem in penacony if there is no stellaron there.... They must be aiming the stellaron right? Cause they are stellaron hunter 🤣

[@reveriesend4668]

This all wouldn't have been a problem had they listened to THE PRIMORDIAL ONE

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

word to my mother

[@crammothy]

Lmao the Celestia mention. I love and respect the devotion to our beloved Heavenly Principles. Also wow your subscriber count has jumped recently since the 10k video congrats. Well deserved.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

thanks lol, also yes celestia

[@crammothy]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia That’s fair but we’ll still be around. To think I found your channel thanks to HSR videos around the time of 2.0 before you hit 10k subscribers and I haven’t missed an upload since due to how entertaining these videos are. You really deserve the subscribers and as long as my love for Genshin and Star Rail doesn’t go away, which I doubt it will, I’ll be around for quite a while and I’m sure I’m not the only one, even if I don’t get noticed as much.

[@hentikirby7142]

Sam has to be chosen deliberately as it is a reference to Samus Aran.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

hot girl in armor

[@michaelebwando8400]

Maybe “Mecha" is Screwllum since the the family sent invitations to other factions plus the lack of any genius society members in penacony seems likely that there will be a cameo of the real herta of sumthing

[@therenegade4482]

To be fair it’s mentioned that the stellaron hunters specifically kafka,blade,wolf and sam are able to basically destroy planets most likely just ruin civilisation but sam/firefly might just be a WMD

[@volf6121]

I loved everything in this video, it makes a lot of sense! With each new patch, I appreciate the Stellaron Hunters more and more.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

:D

[@idminister]

sparkle knew firefly was sam, before any other third party. every time we meet "sampo" [sparkle disguise] told the MC that firefly was lying to us, hiding their identity sparkle and sam show us that it is possible to distort appearance and other things even in the controlled section of penacony memory zone. lets not forget that silverwolf is also about penacony acting as a handler of sort. my guess: using the properties of the memory zone sam was split into two: firefly and mecha. and using the death of the part of themself that is firefly and cast to the outside of the barrier to find a path via something "soul link resonance" ish. The stellaron hunter goal isnt to explore the outside of the boundary themselves but to get the astral express crew there, so sam only needed to focus on rejoining asap. Adventurine on the other hand, is more of a solo player. 11 times: it is possible that the boundary wall has a time distortion, such that one can enter and approach the broken sections of penacony (such as the quarantined hotel) at prior chronological point; perhaps this is what is going on with acheron during our first encounter as the memory zone in the train and before the room is not part of penacony proper.

[@abdurehmanmalik2980]

My interpretation of acheron's message to aventurine is that he's got to first overcome the influence of Nihility, and that's the "deep sea"/"abyss" she's mentioning. Edit: 4 minutes is still insane for figuring out all of the Family's secrets.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

thats what im saying she is in and out quick and she learned EVERYTHING?

[@Akiee04]

think its kinda similar to venom? it(mecha suit) needs a host(firefly) it have a mind of its own and both of them simultaneously control each other. the way when it/she talks when it/she in the suit definitely sus. or the other possibility is that. the mecha suit is an ai itself and copy the appearance of firefly and its being control by her from the other side? need some opinions about this idk.

[@kitty8179]

I think Sparkle is talking about Robin when she talking about the mute that is now dead. The ones she's talking about the him that Adventurine will never meet again more than likely is Sunday. The one who betrayed firefly might not have been a person at all but might have been the armor's computer that is Sam. Or at least that my theory.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

sunday hadent yet died when sparkle and aventurine spoke

[@kitty8179]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia True, but we don't really know who Sparkle working for.

[@kmh4076]

@@kitty8179at least she’s not on the same side as Gallagher nor Sunday since all her acts till now doesn’t really help them at all

[@meiwasstruc2914]

Sunday is unlikely since she was mocking Aventurine for talking to him The two mutes are probably Robin (who is in "dream death"), and, I think, Firefly, lemme explain Even if she were to reveal her experience to the public, no one would believe her over the Family because of her being either a stowaway, or a Stellaron Hunter, meaning she is a "mute" in a way, as no one would listen to her That would also explain why Aventurine wouldn't be able to find her again, as Firefly stopped using her identity as Firefly in the dream The hint that gave Sparkle somehow made Aventurine think of Firefly too, as it's what made him believe that the "dream death" is not a real death, so there's that

[@SheruMuko]

I suggested that Firefly was alive to Galagar. His reaction was that of shock.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

wait really?

[@SheruMuko]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia He said and forgive me if the wording is off, “Are you suggesting that the girl is still alive”

[@rinoakirova1548]

I was thinking... What if there's simply two Molten Knights in Penacony? Seems unlikely but it would explain this "mecha" person, and how quickly Sam showed after Firefly's death. Funny enough, all the involved characters of the story come in pairs. There's two Memokeepers (really odd because Black Swan mentions this but it hasn't been relevant at all yet), two Galaxy Rangers (Acheron and Boothill), two Masked Fools (Sparkle and Sampo), two IPC agents (Aventurine and Ratio, or Aventurine and Topaz), and two Stellaron Hunters (Sam and Silver Wolf).

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

wow i never noticed the couplet thing, although u could just saw theres two stellaron hunters (sam and silver wolf)

[@notyouraveragedunce7643]

Maybe the suit has its own consciousness, which can be why “mecha” is the person referred to by firefly when we learn about the betrayal

[@marian9394]

My take is that sam(armom) got its own mind on penacony, weve seen musical instruments that played by themselves. So sam tried to get a revenge on firefly and didnt know about her being woke up in reality

[@deri_yaki]

My theory on Firefly and Sam: Yes, they are the same, but no, they aren't. What I mean, is, Sam, as a Glamoth Iron Calvary, is his own entity. Special thing about Glamoth's Iron Calvary is that they can't function without their Queen who's named Titania, as they are commanded strictly by her, but since Glamoth was wiped out, theorhetically, Sam shouldn't be able to function on his own. This is where Firefly comes in. She is the "Titania" for Sam, and instead of telepathically controlling him, she controls him physically, using him as a mech suit. Reason why I think this is because Firefly's motifs are all about butterflies and fairies. The name Titania belongs to Titania the Queen of Fairies, hence the parallels between Firefly and her. Basically, Sam cannot exist (read: function, im sure his body can exist, just never be used), without Firefly and vice versa, (given the cracks in her face and her illness) Firefly can't live without Sam, as he's basically her life support. Another part of this theory is the fact she does call attention to a "Mecha" when she is escaping. And yes, I do think this is an act, but at the same time, I'm sure she can "communicate" with Sam, as they are separate entities, and she can call him forth with that object in her hands, which allows her to utilize his body. The switch after her death is explainable: I'm sure after witnessing the "truth", She was pulled out of that memory zone and back into the one we're in with BS and Acheron, by Silver Wolf. Silver Wolf has the ability to reality hack, making it possible for her to "hack" into the dreamscape (this is how Sam/Firefly even ended up in the Dreamscape anyway, as she is accounted as a "stowaway" and thus have been in Penacony for a while (Firefly said as much when we meet her), and why she can't leave on her own). It probably wouldn't have taken her much to transport Firefly from the Penacony Backrooms back to the Dreamscape. While I'm at it, I'd like to point out another strange thing about Firefly. During the "date" we have with her when we first meet her, she points out that we're being tailed by Sampo (Sparkle), yet despite how she says he's skilled in concealing his footsteps, she somehow still notices, and not only notices, but can accurately describe him (mentions he uses daggers and even approximates his height). Whether this be because of her identity as Sam or her connection to him, or if it's a byproduct of her declining health, making her senses much sharper than normal people's it's still pretty strange, since Sampo and by extension Sparkle, since she can perfectly replicate everything about a person, is highly skilled in stealth, yet was detected by some girl. Or this could be connected to her in the sense of Titania, who had no "physical" power but can do things telepathically and maybe that's how she detected him? Either way, Firefly is pretty mysterious for being some sickly girl.

[@kyo-wm3wb]

I think one of the times Firefly tried to reveal her identity to us is back when Black Swan first appeared to save us from the meme - she had a weird look like she was contemplating something while looking at us and then seemed to steel herself for some reason Looking back, it seems to me like she was hesitant to resist against the meme because she'd have to reveal that she's Sam, and maybe she decided she was going to just before Black Swan showed up to save the day

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

i thought she was thinking about whipping out sam, but chose not to

[@tabbysboredom]

In the music video for White Night, there is a brief scene where we appear to travel down a spiral, viewing multiple frames of the trailblazer. Exactly 11 separate frames. That is definitely not a coincidence.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

how tf do u even find that out lmfao

[@tabbysboredom]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia lol, I have my ways 😗

[@H4T5UK1]

From what I got it from the story is that Acheron and Aventurine is talking about is Robin. Robin was killed for finding out what was going on and manage to return back and now is in hiding. Well, we will have to wait until 2.2 and 2.3 to see how this ends. So far, this story is getting more and more awesome.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

yea it could be either or, only 2.2 will tell us fs

[@sarahtelles1931]

Silver Wolf is in Penacony too that would be interesting if she found a fast way to bring Sam/Firefly back

[@user-fc1kv7oy1c]

Firefly can comeback so quickly definitely have something to do with silverwolf like if sw can give us a code to directly go to the memory zone bypassing all measure the family have setup to keep people out so it safe to say sw have a failsafe in case thing go badly either that or it due her nature to have the ability to can’t dream confirm via sam conversation with acheron so when the meme kill her she just snap back to reality and sw put her back in instantly

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

but she still would have to find the truth right?

[@user-fc1kv7oy1c]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia maybe the truth was all ready included in the script? Idk stellaron hunter are always such wildcard so I can’t really predict how they operate

[@oza2000-]

I think there is a connection between Firefly and Gallagher. When we first met Firefly, it was Gallagher who got the hounds off our backs by saying they were looking for the stowaway who is a silver haired lad. But we've know that the stowaway is Firefly, meaning that Gallager was lying to the hounds, or their reports were somehow wrong or changed by most likely silver wolf. This makes sense because we know Gallager doesn't have the best relationship with the Family, so Gallager might be working with Firefly in order to get back at them. It could also be that there is another silver haired stowaway who died, but since we've never seen them to confirm their identity or gender, who knows.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

ngl i did think it was odd the way gallagher looked at firefly when he stopped the bloodhounds, but I also thought thats just me reading way too much into it lol

[@insertnamehere1398]

I think her saaying "mecha" was her responding to someone who called he out on bein sam

[@sarahtelles1931]

Huh, I wonder if she was trying throughout that time we spent together but couldn't because The Family is always watching

[@StarVultrixyz]

7:56 I think Aventurine was talking about Robin, as her voice was declining before she was ultimately killed.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

where tf were you all when I said it was robin and everyone else said it was firefly I NEEDED HELP OUT THERE MAN

[@darknetworld]

Two split personality or she was acting as she knew dream world. Now we know what she talking. She was talking to her self but there was no Sam. But imagery talking self. Sam I bet must be the repeat loop dream. We tend to have same dream over and over again. It just a guess. But at least we know few know what happen to them. Still what if Sam and the girl appear same time. Since possible for dream as someone can copy or others. Still one last puzzle is how she could transform that was impossible right?

[@MegaGreenkirby]

As some said, maybe the suit has sentience, but it can also be, that there was some grammar errors on what she said. Like Firefly said "this isn't what we agreed on (period, which wasn't there) Mecha (as a start of something she said to transform and fight who betrayed her)...that's another possibility...

[@user-cn3ty8gc5r]

I have a personal theory. This theory is based on what i remembered Gallagher said to the TB team in the clockie studio. My theory is, what if there's two fireflies? Gallagher explained to us a lot of things about the watchmaker. One of the things that he said was that there's a new person that inherited the new watchmaker title (Presumably Misha with all the wierd things about him and how his name is very close to mikhail). My theory is that misha and mikhail is the same person. This theory doesn't really have a lot of supporting factors other than the fact that Gallagher said that one of the possibilities of the new watchmaker is a "Haunting ghost of mikhail". So basically what if fireflies case was the same? The person in the hallway that firefly was talking to was sam or herself. I mean u can see clearly that the two fireflies acts completely different. It could be that she's just very good at acting but this theory can also give reasoning to why the hell did sam came back so quickly. There's a lot of holes for this theory, like why did they clone. My only assumption is the family's way of keeping balance. Becuz sam is technically an object and objects in the dreamscape can turn alive like the sweet dreams troupe. So basically when firefly enter the dreamscape with a mecha transformation tool, the dreamscape spontaneously created another firefly that resembles more of sam. The rude sam and the kind lovable firefly. So like getting ur personality split into two bodies. Its very flawed and no way near a clear and fully supported theory

[@user-rz5ob6zb1u]

Damn,go to sleep.We need you to come up with more theories bro,so take care of your health ❤

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

AWWW ILY

[@RandomPerson-cc9mn]

I think the mecha thing is probably just part of Elio's script. He probably had SW control the mecha, and then betray Firefly. He can predict the future, so presumably he should have known that Black Swan might look into the memory (and obviously he can't let us know Firefly/Sam's identity yet, since Firefly's "death" was necessary as the catalyst for us to look into the watchaker's legacy). I think it was also "real" in the sense that I don't think Firefly knew it was happening, so I think it was part of SW's script. Its possible Firefly was in on it, but I think she probably didn't know, because it makes more sense for her not to know since it'd make her reactions more genuine (unless she's just meant to be a really good actress). Then, since she was already in communication with SW, that's probably how she got past so fast. SW just hacked her back into the dream world, pretty much exactly where she was. Which is the only explanation I can think of for how she got back so fast. Also, I don't think she's the mute being referred to. Whoever the mute is, they crossed to the other side. Its already hard to explain how Firefly got back in like 4 minutes. I do not believe she crossed to the other side and learned the dark secrets of Penacony in those 4 minutes. And if she happened to cross in some other way, how would Adventurine and Acheron know about it? It also doesn't make sense with Firefly's line about Adventurine not being able to see her again, cause I think he could probably find Sam. So I still think they were both referring to Robin. And I think the other one who Adventurine will never find again refers to Misha. Not for any particular reason other than that if its not Robin (I think Robin was the "dead now" one), and its not Firefly (because she never crossed to the other side), then what other character even makes sense there? Misha is the only other character who even makes sense to me for that, unless it just refers to some character we haven't met but I feel like it refers to someone we know. Alternatively, the "dead now" could have referred to Mikhail, the only important named character I can think of who is actually dead, or Misha (something seems off about him and he seems almost surprised we know he exists, maybe he even is Mikhail somehow but that seems far fetched). That would mean Robin is the one who Adventurine will never meet again (and "him" is a translation error or something), which makes more literal sense since I think both Firefly and Adventurine know Robin isn't dead.

[@Cressyextraeepy]

I thought it was the suit having an ai kinda like iron man so there's a perceived separation between the suit and the wearer's identity. Sam also seems to change tune fast when Acheron decides against fighting. I also wonder if Firefly may have control abilities from far away or joint mental link. Sam says no to taking off the suit to Acheron as well, so maybe that's because the other self is not in it at the time. In general I think the mecha is still Sam and just the ai of the machine interrupting what Firefly was trying to do because of ai protection instinct or something. I'm thinking the Sam fight was mostly the ai but around the time Acheron stopped the fight Firefly got back control from her new location.

[@entiqqq]

It's always been a theory that Sam and Firefly are still separate entities, like Iron Man, you've got Stark and the AI in the Armor. The problem is, the battle with Sam from 2.0 and the cutscene of Acheron amd Sam from 2.1 happened after each other. Firefly should be Sam when she fought Acheron. But it's more likely that they're still separate at the fight even when Sam was talking to Acheron. The most probable theory would be that Firefly got clapped, she went outside the Dreamscape, and then got out and woke up in like 2 seconds, found out the truth, went looking for Gallagher or the Family (hence why she was attacking the monsters)

[@starflame34]

*_SMH_* Okay, just because she says "All that I am" does NOT entirely prove that Firefly and Sam are one and the same, at least in the sense you're thinking. Yes, Firefly is in the suit, but Sam could just as well be an entirely different person, another consciousness inside that actually pilots/controls the suit and battles. This "Mecha" could just be Sam and what Firefly calls him. As for the betrayal, my theory is that while Firefly is in the suit, she's not always conscious when Sam is piloting. In other words, it's possible Sam was given a "script" that differs from Firefly's. And perhaps dying in front of the Trailblazer wasn't part of her "script" and saw that as a betrayal. But this is just my thought process. I just find it ridiculous that Sam and Firefly are literally the same person, as in everything Sam says is what Firefly is saying, like that's how Firefly actually talks? Really? Unless our adventure with Firefly in 2.0 was her roleplaying as a cute girl that entire time, that's completely ridiculous! They have two completely different personalities!

[@SnailSnail-lo4pm]

Nope, Acheron knows from the getgo that Sam and Firefly are one in the same. Every time we have seen Sam has been Firefly, and firefly has never been seen without Sam.

[@starflame34]

@@SnailSnail-lo4pm Acheron specifically says, "I know who's in that cold armor", as if referring to someone else other than Sam. There's also the way they talk and behave. Sam is just so different, I cannot see how Firefly would be like that, unless you're gonna tell me "Sam" is just her roleplaying.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

​@@starflame34 bruce wayne and batman speak pretty differently. its just the only way you can pull off having another identity. also we did catch moments, that were very unbecoming of "sam" but made sense we think its firefly speaking, like when sam told acheron "i really envy you"

[@SnailSnail-lo4pm]

@starflame34 But why would Sam be shocked at that? "Woah, this random lady knows Sam is inside of Sam? *gasp"* you're also forgetting that people can put on personas (not that Sam actually behaves that much differently than firefly, just more murder)

[@starflame34]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I still stand by what I said, until proven otherwise in 2.2. Also, if we're just gonna say that Firefly is a Stellaron Hunter, then damn; Elio really underpaying her with only 20K credits!

[@ThatoneBirdIdk]

3:13 I have mini theory remember the spiral abyss in genshin? Maybe like how Childe was trapped in abyss for months but due to how time works in the abyss for people outside it was three days inside it was months this might be same for that place where time works differently as “the land of exile” it might explain how fast firefly came out for her it was possibly hours or who knows maybe days but for us it was three or four minutes and fun fact: this also happens in irl just not as much they called time zones And when you think about it. It makes lot of sense specially how fast firefly came out as Sam Also if I recall correctly aren’t there eleven or twelve dreamscapes in peacony maybe she looked for us there after all we met her in golden hour or she encountered smt else Hence why she said I failed eleven times but I can’t think of much tho Maybe the meme “death” can sent people to land of exile hence how she managed to visit the place also is possible Gallagher chooses people not based off random but on people he met or to test the waters and show the true Peacony(I think I spelled it right) expose them for what they’re worth also maybe since we can’t Gallagher direct info we could possibly make it opposite one he might know who the true watch maker Two he knew firefly was stellaron hunter and used that to his advantage spawning her in exile Three how tf is he alive if I remember correctly didn’t aeon of enigmatic died? MASSIVE SPOILERS? The second “mecha” might be watch maker legacy aka a machine emanator of harmony is leaked and Sunday will use it. I don’t know much of story in 2.2 but one thing for sure we will know lot

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

time dilation could be possible and ya there are 12 dreamscapes im pretty sure

[@ThatoneBirdIdk]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia ye based off what we know the land of exile seems like more like abyss more I think about and we might encounter glitched memes(please let this happen) since is not being taken cared of and who knows we might get another end game content

[@MoonyMckayNetwork]

the improbability of her speed in returning to the reverie assumes that this was her first time past the Barrier. Maybe she had been before and already had what she needed from there, and was hanging out in the reverie for a different reason. Then when the trailblazer came in, she got meme'd and then just popped back in.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

hmmm

[@aries21k02]

i think that fire fly and sam are something like penny and spider bot(from spider-verse) both have a mind-link so fire fly can understand sam even if hes in that petal mode thingy shes holding thats whyshe was talking to someone she call mecha and as for the meme i still think its just elio being all god like and she coming back? it was in lore closer to like 30 to 60 minutes is elio had given how to go back it would be very simple i guess (sorry if my english was bad its not my main languege)

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

ur eng was fine i got u said

[@ddsgames5605]

I've just been assuming since 2.0 that Mecha has its own will and could act on its own like Ironman's suit in some of the comics, and when Mecha and Firefly come together that is the True Sam.

[@JohnnyBlack23]

I believe throughout the 2.1 from when we met Firefly to when we met Sam, was all the attempts she tried to reveal the truth but throughout the quest kept getting interrupted. That's my take...could be wrong.

[@srcml]

Cool! this is interesting ❤️ I was actually invested finishing the mission only to get a few minute interaction with firefly. tho i didnt consider the betrayal part. my understanding was her death was intentional based on script and robin's death was unintentional but given that she tried investigating on her own, the traitor had to do it. bur yeah i lack info as well since I dont read a lot. 😅 really nice to see this!! ❤️👍 I was under the impression that Firefly is the one trying to betray/ stray away from the script but I can't back it up sooooo don't mind me 🫶😅

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

lol i agree with everything u said ur fine

[@DollNoHouse]

The mecha thing could be that someone called her a mecha and she replied "Mecha...!? Why (do you know that)...

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

i really fucking like this interpretation, but it still begs the question of who locked her in the room?

[@sofialu226]

Yo are right, I didn't think about that, Firefly being Sam, how did she came back so quickly? It could be that time in the Deep Dremscape ocurs faster than irl. Like is explained in Inception movie, the deeper the dream the longer it feels but in realitty could be just a couple minute... But... Also Firefly could have lie about Aventurine being unable to meet Firefly again And when we fight Sam, I think Aventurine didn't know yet Sam was Firefly, but idk...

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

anyone being able to lie is a fact that I hate but must accept with this story lol

[@equinox2909]

I think when someone got killed by the meme, their souls will be trapped on it's possesion just like it's ability when we challenge it and breaking loose from that is easy for firefly. While with the method of Aventurine he was killed by Acheron so there's no intervention from the meme that's why he managed to go beyond the barrier.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

oh kinda like th boss fight?

[@equinox2909]

Yep.. Maybe the main role of that death meme is to prevent anyone that is about to attempt to go on the otherside by capturing thier souls.

[@GrimMeowning]

miniBronya hacked barrier, I guess.

[@kauru4738]

2:43 in my head canon id like to think she just gamer raged since she kept failing LOL

[@jaychirps]

There's a world quest that relates to an old man who's being heavily guarded in the Worlds Edge. The old man ends up being Calderon Chadwick, Genius Society member 79. He's been trapped in the dreamscape for 2 Amber Eras, meaning while his physical body is dead and gone, his consciousness is still trapped in the dreamscape. Thats who I'm 99% sure Sparkle and Aventurine are talking about as the 'mute who cannot be found'.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

hmmm

[@sammy5480]

You forgot one possibility : Sparkle ! What if the Firefly we saw dying was actually little Sparkie ? Would explain a lot of incoherences...

[@Dekarowski25]

I wonder. Cause TB did know most of the Stellaron hunters before they lost their memory (TB was a hunter before). Did they know Sam/Firefly? Also is Sam/Firefly an effect of multiple personalities disorder?

[@koko-hh2bq]

I'm assuming that because Firefly supposedly doesn't have the ability to dream, that the dreamscape rules don't really apply to her. Hence why she was able to return so quickly despite having just "died". She's quite literally the only one awake, as Acheron states: "Then you're already in the waking world." As for how she's in the dreamscape despite not being able to dream, Silver Wolf most likely helped with that in some way if the dreamscape is "hackable".

[@myreilleleblanc8245]

"He is still alive" is what is said regarding the second mute. What about Misha? Most cannot perceive him. Thus he cannot speak to anyone about anything. He also has some kind of connection to the watchmaker. I personally think he inherited the title from the original. He has time-like powers, his broom attacks use a substance similar to that of the "blood" that comes out of people dieing by the meme. And the meme has a low, but existing possibility to lead people beyond the barrier. Sooo it might be possible that Misha, upon realizing his powers, went beyond the barrier, lived through it, but cannot speak about it. Because even if people perceive him, they forget about him. He said he was glad Trailblazer remembered him. So by finding and befriending him, you´d have a 3rd access route to beyond the barrier. Something Trailblazer could use without being slashed by Gallagher or Acheron. Firefly could be disspelled as really failing 11 times and finally accept that she has to go by the script. Working with Trailblazer. The one closest to "the safe route". And thus "deeply intertwined" by fate. That is just a theory of mine. How do you like that?

[@pixelki2478]

UFFF, Finnaly back. I CAN'T WAIT FOR 2.2 lore drops are gonna be huge. Hope they'll explain firefly sticky situation well....

[@joji197]

Firefly having the benefit of Elios script can make her the flash lmao 😂

[@joshuariel8496]

Firefly is a human touch and Ironman and a sentai rider combine basically. now that I think about that pretty spot on I think.

[@abdurehmanmalik2980]

"Tall male in silver armor." Good thing there aren't any playable tall males in silver armor, like a Knight or something (it couldn't be).

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

ARE YOU SAYING ARGENTI IS BACK AND CAUSING TROUBLE ON PENACONY? YEAAAAAA

[@franciscogonzalezmelo8659]

I just subbed some hours ago and you just drop a new video Feels great, Ty

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

:D

[@neywu]

Gosh this has been my question since 2.0 😭

[@plasmaghost46]

What if Sam is just an acronym for Sentient Automaton Mecha? And Firefly can get in the mecha and control it whenever she wants and the mecha can act on its own accord whenever Firefly isn't controlling it?

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

are u big brain or is this said somewhere in game?

[@plasmaghost46]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia it's just something I thought about

[@elina1271]

But the 2 mutes are Robin (Who has her voice corrupted because the power of the harmony is being diluted with something else, that's why she had voice issues when coming to penacony) and possibly Misha as he cannot be seen there for cannot take the center stage????? maybe?

[@fuckingtiredloll]

At first I would say Boothill seeing as he could've also been a stowaway but from what Black Swan heard on the phone, he's probably on his way THERE rarher than being just in hiding, unless she had a deal with some family members the only answer would be her own suit not working, now idk if she said certain things on purpose (most likely not due to how she potrays her script) but it does kinda seem like she's referring to the suit itself

[@Riptitde777]

Maybe Gallagher is the one baiting us? I know gallagher can take on people traits makes me wonder if he can take on their whole personas, if so it could potentially explain some things, and maybe did so in order to bait the express into getting more involved. Is it also possible that sparkle is working with gallagher if so they could make situations where someone appears like firefly, and gallagher baits death to kill them idk at this point anymore lol

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

gallaghers character story 4 might fancy ur interest, the last line writes: "...Gallagher is my most genuine lie. Sometimes, I can't even distinguish between him and myself."

[@kutyamen]

Saying she came back in 4 minutes is a bit misleading. Firstly we go off after watching the selfie fade away, we end up one of the rooms, where we have to on BS' guidance have a chandelier crash through the floor to take us to a lower level. Upon solving that puzzle we find the echos of what firefly did before dying and start tracking it down. By the time we loop around I wouldn't at all say 4 minutes have passed, it could be anywhere between 10-30 mins of real time based on how much combat we are assumed to have taken part in and how much we mulled over each echo of Firefly we could interact with. As for how she got back in by that time(from likely waking up where ever she entered the place) she just plugged back in and headed back to the entrance of the dream hotel, which would not be difficult considering the whole reason we got in there is Silver Wolf sending us the backdoor she made for our beds. Getting back would at most take half the time than it took for us to go the other way, and loop back while solving puzzles if Silver Wolf didn't just get her directly to the entrance. As for who she was arguing with, probably her little transformer thing refusing to listen to her, either to protect her or because she was going against the mission, the "script" by Elio. This depends on the nature her armor has, but either works regarding whether the armor was leading her away from the meme or back to us for the script. As for her goals, we know two things of the script Elio gave her for this mission. She has to get the Express Crew to track down the Legacy and only together with the Trailblazer will the two of reap unimaginable gains. We know for a fact she was at least moving away from the latter, as she has at least 1 time(though I think that is what the 11 times refers to) tried to cross over alone, which she is clearly unable to even when done by that method, she also tried goading Acheron into killing her, and gave up fighting her when Acheron made it clear she wouldn't. This directly contradicts Elio's script, so likely she was trying to not have to directly work with us to die and crossover, trying to not reveal the truth to us, only seemingly giving up after the Acheron talk, but she had no chance to interact with us alone after that until we fell due to Acheron's attack. The only question regarding that is, did Firefly try to go against the script before she met us, or did she go on a 10(or 9 if we count her trying to get Acheron to kill her as an attempt) suicide spree in the dream hotel before we saw her get killed in front of us. It is not impossible, though it makes far darker than repeated attempts over a longer period. The latter is more realistic as it seems waiting for us to show up she spent her time essentially enjoy Penacony where she could exist ignoring her condition and actually live outside her armor like a normal person, enjoy the dreams she could never have, culminating in bonding with us creating a scenario where she now wants to at least preserve the dream without ruining it by revealing herself to us, despite the "script" mandating it so.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

u forget u we find the trial of freshly charred bodies near instantly after she vanished

[@kutyamen]

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Shrug if she was going around dying 9-10 times of course she would leave behind destruction in her way. As for the ones we directly find around her when we come back would mean she got attacked and had to fight them off when getting there, just as we did have to fight things tracking her echos.

[@harveycalosing1099]

As long as she’s alive I’m at peace

[@neon_rainbowlight1302]

Mecha must be a character that hoyo is still yet to release, like how jade was still W.I.P work in progress so we'll still need to wait and see if this mecha figure will be introduced, also the fact it played a sorta big role when you think about it, since it could be a mysterious 5th member of the stelleron hunters like kafka,silver wolf, blade, Sam and the 5th being mecha. But that's my solid theory as it's still unknown if more stelleron hunters exist in this big organization.) side note: I call it a it because we don't know if it's a boy or girl. )

[@zhw3950]

hold up I dont remember talking to silver wolf and firefly at the same time in the lounge

[@NoBody-bx4cp]

Theory as to why Firefly came back so quickly: The actual process of going over was messed up somehow, and she didn't actually make it. Would explain why she immediately started wrecking everything: She was angry that it didn't work.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

i too have thought that, and by failing 11 times, she meant trying to get to the other side 11 times

[@dexterbutler514]

The crystal she holds when she takes off the armor is Sam. 🤔 maybe.

[@dexterbutler514]

Or two people share the same body.

[@dexterbutler514]

The suit itself being Sam would make all the sense considering Sam said he cannot dream.

[@dexterbutler514]

Maybe I’m grasping at smoke though lol

[@dexterbutler514]

Mecha is the Suit. Mecha is Sam.

[@DawitsLookingforEmilia]

this thread lmfao