WHO BOMBED DONBASS FOR 8 YEARS??? 🥴

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Timestamps:
0:00 - Prelude
0:35 - Who/what?
2:44 - Why did it happen at all?
5:29 - Isn't it a bull****?
Filmed by Nikita.
Edited by Daniil Orain.
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[@bobharris7401]

Of all the real journalists in the present world, sir you are the most bravest. I’m 80, so I’m not just whistling in the wind.

[@chadbentoski5778]

I can't believe he is still around.

[@bobharris7401]

@@chadbentoski5778 I so agree. Wish I had his hootspa.

[@bobharris7401]

@@chadbentoski5778 agreed, brave sit

[@chjadam]

@@chadbentoski5778 He is clever, he is only asking questions other people answer. And he is giving state propaganda even a platform. Who of the regime would not like that? 😜 This guy is a cool hero! Chapeau!

[@chadbentoski5778]

@@chjadam I suppose. Mostly it looks like he is just exposing their ignorance and apathy to me.

[@littleowlbooks8514]

What happened in Grozny when Chechens wanted to break away. Russia showed them no mercy.

[@aceimnjo883]

bruh

[@simonebaruzzi156]

i kniw people working here , that lived in Donbass or East Ukraine . They told me different things , like there were agents from Russia that provoked rebellion . Local population forced to leave if they don't stand for Russia . And Russia started saying it wanted independence and 3 monthes later , Russia annexed those lands . Putin told that they conquered those lands . And if a region wants independence from Russia ? it ends like Grozny . Also Kherson and Zhaporhizhia were native Russian lands ? You consider Russian something that have been Russian for 200 years ? part of Crimea was under Genoa for more time , part of Russia gave been Polish or Lithuanian or Mongol for more than 200 years ,but those are still Russian land , and no one question about it . Start to rethink what is Russian , because you are wrong considering Russia something that used to be Russian one century ago .

[@masterofnone4283]

How is it that Ukraine bombs Donbas for 8 years and not a single city is in ruins and then Russia comes liberating and in just a couple of years you have multiple cities absolutely destroyed? Mariupol, Marinka, Bakhmut, Avdiivka and many more. How does that happen?

[@pyatochkok223]

For the same reason that Melitopol and Kherson remained intact. If the enemy army leaves the city, it remains intact. The militias did not establish themselves in cities, as the Azovites did in Mariupol. It cannot be said that Donbass was intact at all. During the 8 years of conflict, many civilians died. “From 2014 until the start of the special military operation, until February 2022, 2,269 civilians were killed, including 35 children. About 8 thousand civilians were injured, including 90 children” in the LPR. “DPR Ombudsman Daria Morozova, in a report to the UN Security Council, stated that from the beginning of the conflict in Donbass to the special operation in the republic, 4,374 people were killed, almost 8 thousand were injured.” This is not to say that there was no war before 2022.

[@alex-0]

@@pyatochkok223 and what about now? How are civilian casualties compared 8 years vs last two years? Also in 2021 only 7 civilians died in Donbass.

[@AlBarzUK]

@@alex-0where did they go to die?

[@alex-0]

@@AlBarzUK That is unknown. Could be from land mines for example.

[@mattycakes1161]

That's because it wasn't Ukrainians attacking, it was originally Russian soldiers they called "Separatists" at the time, attacking with small arms that only the military can get. They even had rare ones like pump-action grenade launchers, that's something you don't even find in war zones in the Middle East.

[@MathieuLaflamme]

Brainwashing in a nutshell

[@eviljake66]

в "великой" и "демократичной" америке - всë явно лучше😂

[@hazard04]

@@eviljake66bot haha

[@eviljake66]

@@hazard04 you too)))

[@Fuad_Guliyev1]

@@eviljake66Америка ,в отличии от России, реально великая и единственная настоящая сверхдержава ,а сравнивать демократию Америки и РФ просто невозможно. Да в Америке много проблем ,но чтобы РФ достичь такого уровня свобод как в Америке нужно с нынешним правительством минимум 600 лет

[@ro--M]

Nuts in a nutshell.

[@amaterasu0102]

I live in Donetsk, and to put it briefly, before February 24, life was at least somewhat bad, it was stifled by propaganda and the local regime that instilled its values. If we talk about when Donetsk was not yet under occupation, no one belittled me for the language I speak, no one forced me to do anything, I lived simply and calmly, everything just went on as usual, that Donetsk also had its problems in terms of politics and economics, but these are all natural things that in normal states are resolved over time, at least Donetsk was like that before the occupation. This is how I will always remember it, my hometown. If we talk about the time after February 24, all hell began here, Russian norms began to prevail, people were forced to adapt to them, although there was neither a technological nor physical ability for this, I will touch on everyone’s favorite topic about the bombing of the Donbass, after the 24th it just intensified and in this regard, everything became extremely worse, if we compare before the start of the “SVO”, then military operations took place only on the border of the territories of occupation and Ukraine. I think this argument about 8 years, incomprehensible people seized part of a sovereign state and thought that they would be allowed to move on with the help of armed formations, is complete nonsense? People who supported the occupation of Donetsk should have understood that they were committing a crime by supporting this. It seems to me that people here are deteriorating every year due to the lack of the right choice between cold and hot media. I am sad for my city, and for the people with a pure consciousness who are here against their own will.

[@Aughtel]

Change is in the wind. Unfortunately, not sure what it brings. Hopefully you get to live a decent quiet life soon.

[@therandomlaniusedward2140]

Stay Safe...

[@sOnIcBo0mBoY]

As regards elections, were you in the minority in Donetsk? The region consistently voted against pro-European Kiev right?

[@amaterasu0102]

@@sOnIcBo0mBoY I like to answer that here 60% are for the Russian regime, the remaining 40 are against. But this is all my subjective opinion, I draw such conclusions based on people from my circle and the mood in the region as a whole, I can say for sure that the younger generation is overwhelmingly against Putinism and Russia, but the old generation is the opposite. One way or another, anyone who was able to leave here has already left; now, having citizenship forcibly acquired here, it is difficult to leave

[@VictorLyuba]

​@punpunempty 🙏🙏Be safe!!! 👍

[@guillermodelapuerta5243]

Before the Ukrainian government decided to send the army to the Donbass in 2014 and begin the ATO (antiterrorist operation), Russia sent Girkin-Strelkov, Borodai, Motorola (Russian military intelligence) who with the help of a battalion of mercenaries (GRU, Wagner) stormed the regional parliaments of Donetsk and Lugansk. And only later was Ukraine forced to defend its territorial integrity, as the government of any country would have had to do. Then a war began in which there were victims of both sides and civilian victims were caught in a crossfire. Ukrainians also died: 4,500 Ukrainian soldiers; 6,500 rebel soldiers and 3,400 civilians killed by both sides, not just by the Ukrainians. What these Russians say is partial and deeply biased. And in essence it is false.

[@daark1799]

and before that there was a coup with hundreds of victims, which was financed and supported by European governments.

[@mateninde]

My best friend is from Mariupol. His parents’ house was bombed to the ground while they were hiding in their bunker. They had to leave in a bus crowded with civilians and took over 4 days to reach vinnitsia due to uncertainty over the security of the humanitarian corridor russian forces were continuously bombing. My wife is from a russian-speaking family from Chernihiv and many of her relatives still speak russian today. Never have they been « discriminated » in any shape or form. Everyone is bilingual due to russian domination and prohibition on ukrainian language many times through history. And then you hear rushians say they « saved » them? How can a country be so blatantly manipulated ? It’s mindblowing.

[@99solutionsit10]

In 2007 I met with a group of Ukrainian designers. They were from Mikolaev and during one of our meetings and they had some tech. discussion between them using their language. They spoke in Russian. Being off work and after diner, I was bold enough and asked them "is this Russian?" They said yes. "But you are from Ukraine, why don't you speak Ukrainian"? A thick silence fell over the table, got no answer. I think Westerners over-simplify the situation.

[@mateninde]

No, your question would be like going to senegal and hear french and ask why they don’t speak wolof. It’s a demonstration of your lack of knowledge of their history. Which is fine, you don’t have to know everything, but can be sensitive topic in certain situations such as the one Ukraine is in since 2014. The fact that many Ukrainians have russian as their mother tongue is not denied by anyone. But Russia, with their hostility and aggression, has used this as their advantage as a justification of their action, using our tendency to simplify against us. My wife told me one day « they stole my grandmother’s tongue and now they steal my mother’s tongue » which is very accurate: many Ukrainians choose not to speak russian anymore, even though it requires efforts for the older generations

[@99solutionsit10]

@@mateninde it's COMPLETELY not the same. That is a very bad example, use Tunisia instead - but you can't. It's like asking Moldovans, Georgians or Kazakhstani why they prefer to speak Russian - this is the actual parallel you shall make! We know the push to Russian language and culture, detrimental to local, having well established language structure (spoken and written) before Soviets.

[@georgenelson7891]

@@99solutionsit10 BS. Only after revolution and forming Ukrainian SSR in 1922 was big rise of Ukrainian language. Before that it was spoken only in villages and called Malorossian. So your grandmother was not from the city , she was from a village.

[@99solutionsit10]

@@georgenelson7891 first, I'm not Ukrainian. Second, getting the family in discussion is not a smart move. Shows your character, or in this case the lack of it.

[@wkwojti]

If the Russians occupied Kiev in March 2022, people would be told that it was the Poles who were bombing them. How can they be so naive?

[@popeyedoyle6360]

inside those heads are empty cells waiting to be filled with anything, so they are filled with the easiest obtained information. Propaganda.

[@pyatochkok223]

как вы можете быть такими наивными, если кроме антироссийской пропаганды ничего и не читали? С чего вообще выводы про Польшу... Украинские националисты незаконно захватили в 2013 году власть в стране, развязали войну с русскоязычным населением Донбасса, не стали выполнять минские соглашения 7 лет, и только после всего этого Россия вмешалась. Любой опрос в Крыму, любое видео с Донбасса 2013-2014 года подтвердит сепаратистские настроения населения

[@sweslch]

🤡🤡🤡@@pyatochkok223

[@juhanivalimaki5418]

@@pyatochkok223 Are we allowed to use your text to evaluate the intelligence of Russians? Are we allowed to think that Russians are more stupid than e.g. five year old children in other countries? Ukrainian, legally 2010 elected parliament, voted 2014 with overwhelming majority a new government and interim president. The fact that people of Ukraine do not vote for pro-Russian people anymore (always since

[@christianf.7400]

😂😂😂😂😂 Putin propaganda Märchen 1zu1 wiederholt!!! Bravo der Führer wird stolz sein auf seinen ahnungslosen Papagei 😂😂😂

[@peterhowells7309]

I saw it on the TV, so it MUST be true!............ 😂😂

[@wabw4h]

I read it on The Guardian, so it MUST be true! 😂

[@pengu1785]

​@@wabw4hcomparing russian state tv with the guardian is wild

[@black8art]

and then you see AND HEAR the testimonies of those who survived, or esccaped. PROOF is easily obtained from free peoples. Those in OCCUPIED territory are not allowed to talk to ANY PRESS, unless they are SANCTIONED by local military and FSB! Foreign press are not allowed into occupied areas, by RUSSIAN MILITARY, in case they start looking for (AND FINDING) truth. Notice a difference ?

[@RYSIOWISKO]

In Poland in 1970 you have to lern russian in school. When i tried to protest my grandfather said its always good to know the language of your worst enemy. It's true. 😊

[@juang.4718]

It,s funny when you ask them things like "Then, based on your own arguments, we should give Kaliningrad back to Germany, because its been a Prussian land for centuries" and answer "Well...no ..we are Russia. We take lands, not give them away"

[@Lady_in_blackMsk]

Сша тоже не отдает . Например русскую Аляску или вы думаете это американская земля?

[@OurFamily-]

​@@Lady_in_blackMskIts american soil by definition. It lies on the content of AMERICA.

[@Lady_in_blackMsk]

@@OurFamily- это русская земля. Наша русская власть вам дала Аляску на 100 лет в аренду за деньги . Где наша Аляска ? Мы русские северные люди. На севере люди имеют рецессивные гены как у меня . Мало солнца мало гормона меланина . От того глаза голубые и светлые волосы. В таких местах должны жить такие люди как я с голубыми глазами и светлыми волосами, а не американцы . Что вы забыли среди снега без рецессивных ген ?

[@savage-yp7ci]

​​​@@OurFamily-LOL learn some history. It was Russian, but after was sold to usa

[@OurFamily-]

@@savage-yp7ci It was native american. But even when russians STOLE it, it was still american soil uneducated propaganda repeating Ivan. Just like moscow is european soil. I never said USA. The irony of another ivan using 'learn history' while oblivious to history.

[@johnshaw4140]

I am a British Citizen , I volunteer as an English teacher here in Dnipro , Ukraine....I have lost count of the number of my students who are refugees from the RUSSIAN aggression in the Donbas areas

[@elenapizza3364]

You are spreading lies. Or your students just did feel that they have to tell this lie. I’m from Tennessee and allot of Ukrainians here feel like they can’t tell truth, they need to speak against Russia if questions asked. They can’t usually easily tell truth 😳😳😳

[@brinjoness3386]

well done you, legend

[@maestro6458]

I'll tell you a little secret. The largest number of refugees came to Russia. Not to Poland, not to Germany, not to Britain or the USA, but specifically to Russia

[@goodshipkaraboudjan]

How can one get involved with that world being an ESL teacher?

[@Alphamind123]

Ok so this is real talk

[@SoThisIsMyCat]

"they recognized that these regions were breaking away from them therefore they waged a full-scale war against these regions" Let me talk you about Chechnya, my friend

[@johnwayne8494]

Chechnya was de-facto independent from 1996-1999 until they launched an invasion into Dagestan, they wanted their own Caliphate. It was entirely their own fault.

[@NewOrleansSeptember]

Your views are simple minded. If the Ukrainians had not started persecuting the Russians they would not have needed to be independent. No one persecutes people in different regions of Russia.

[@SoThisIsMyCat]

@@NewOrleansSeptember not simple minded, just ignorant. "Noone persecutes people in different regions of Russia" but wasn't Chechnya a region of Russia?

[@SoThisIsMyCat]

@@NewOrleansSeptember also I don't really see how it is possible to "persecute russians" since they are ~17% of the entire population, so not really a small minority.

[@mariaangelicabrunellsolar7086]

You need to research about Chechnya, and who funded the separatists there. The people of Chechnya fought along the Russian army to get rid of those mercenary Jihadists.

[@MrValVet]

russians also 'helped' russian population in Moldova in 92, in Georgia in 2008 and now in Donbass. Now these regions are dirt poor and destroyed.

[@UkrRusSlavic]

It's fascinating how half my family who live or lived in Luhansk, were never bombed by anyone until the Russian Federation in February 2022. Insane

Even the others who were bombed were not bombed by AFU (this apply at least for 95% of such attacks, very small part can be counted as collateral damage by AFU but it is really the absolute minimum). Nearly all attacks against civilian infrastructure in Donetsk and Luhansk was done by separatits/ruSSians in order to blame AFU and create that narrative about "Ukraine bombing people". Also Prigozin confirmed that which was probably one of the reasons why he was killed. Fascist ruSSia is lying from very beggining of it's existence, Putin lied basically about everything and never ever intended to fulfill any agreement. And we know from history that if ruSSia say something the truth is exactly the opposite :)

[@neladaa]

я общалась со многими людьми с Донбасса, бомбили их там

@@neladaa - yes, by ruSSians.

[@UkrRusSlavic]

@@neladaa это хуйна и ты это знаешь. русские солдаты пришли в город моих родственников и все разрушили. В 2014-2022 годах все было хорошо. Путин вас всех обманул

@@STARGAZER2 - genius criminal is still a criminal.

[@soupisgood44]

As someone who's partner is actually from Donbas (Luhansk), I can safely say none of these people know anyone from Donbas, and that everything they think they know is complete bullshit. First of all, people have never been "prohibited from speaking Russian" in any part of Ukraine, and it's STILL the case. My partner is a native Russian speaker, and even continued to be so (until the invasion in 2022, of course). My partner and his entire extended family fled from Luhansk to the Kharkiv region in 2014 not because of "Ukrainian shelling" but because of the constant violence in the streets brought on by the armed Russian separatists who had made their way in, like a disease. And who suddenly had VERY heavy weapons they loved to use VERY liberally. This was especially a time of paranoia and distrust amongst the people living there, and the stress of these armed militants taking over the city was unbearable and felt like a ticking time bomb. They moved from Luhansk because they knew what was to come. They knew what Russia was and still is. And look what happened.

[@johnshaw4140]

I live in Dnipro with my Ukrainian boyfriend , I am british . He and his entire family , all of his friends and at least 70% of the population here are Russian speakers BUT they ALL hate Russia for what it has done to their country

[@Ethan-qo9rx]

Cool anecdotal experience. Of course the bulk of Luhansk and Donetsk residents supported Russia. They voted politically for decades for pro Russian parties, and as you said, almost all speak Russian. And of course there are those who fled because there was violence and disorder but they are a tiny minority. There is very little distinguishing Ukrainian and Russian people (near same history, origin, languages very similar), plus if you take the language factor out, it’s practically the same people who speak the south Russian dialect. And Donetsk also had waves of migration across Russia to the coal mines and factories, so a lot of these people have roots outside of the Okrajina.

[@matfudge1143]

When this war escalated I knew nothing about anything going on there. So I listened to Putin's speech, did some research myself and discovered that Putin is Full of shit. Didn't take me long and was not hard to find information about it all. Yet ruissians cant think for themselves, not sure why, using a lot of excuses like I don't follow politics. I have never though more than now, on how gullible the human race is and all thanks to russians putting their head in the sand. russians still are calling Ukraine Nazis and dismissing simple things right in front of their eyes about media, which country was it again that banded free media...Hmmm russia did that, not the west. About time the west released those mosquitos that only kill russians now. FFS.

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

@@Ethan-qo9rx The Kremlin melted the Chernobyl reactor. Putin kills & jails his opponents. Yeah I'm sure Donbas voted for Russian parties. They just want incompetent dictatorship so much.

[@Jean-Seb]

Nice white washing of history for your Western friends. Speak about the Odessa Massacre next.

[@jewi5844]

Fascist Imperialism is so hot in Russia. Lost people lost cause.

[@mariaangelicabrunellsolar7086]

And what about the Nazi regime in Kiev? Those are real fascist, who would have wanted to exterminate all Jews, Russians and the rest of non "Ukrainian" races in Ukraine!

[@PUARockstar]

Absolutely true. Peppered with chauvinism, irredentism, false sense of greatness and complexes about that. New reich.

[@innac7853]

@@user-pb9tg7jv5r Как бы то ни было, Ирак сейчас независимое государство с прежними границами. Это не идёт ни в какое сравнение с войной в Украине, где цель - уничтожение Украины как государства и украинцев как нации.

[@dw620]

The MAJORITY of the Donbass was actually majority-Ukrainian speaking before *they* were ethnically cleansed. (Putin's narrative relies only on language and even then it falls down because Russian speakers were highly concentrated in the cities rather than the countryside of the area.)

[@VilkatisJanis]

@@user-pb9tg7jv5r Are you suggesting russia will admit that this war had no reason?

[@Diversus100]

So Prigozhin has been completely deleted for the memory too. I remember him saying that Ukraine all those 8 years shot at russian military targets in Donbas not at civilian targets. I miss Prigozhin, at least he told some truth openly. .

[@georgenelson7891]

Did you listen his speech?

[@martingiessen]

If we have strict censorship over here in Europe, how come we can still watch these videos? 🤔

[@TheAZAZEL35]

Russian "help" is known all over the world...

[@robopalo8041]

Nobody wants russian help. They force it on others.

[@user-ee9dl2yq1e]

​@@robopalo8041Никому, это значит вам? А из какой вы страны, можно узнать?

[@opeth84]

Eastern Europe knows that too well. No thanks. No tanks

[@YAe71]

sometimes Russia, or rather its policies, repeats what the West has been doing for centuries.

[@PedroFerreira-ze5yp]

and in the afterlife too, many people know about the ruZZian "help" there!

[@Kroogles]

"People outside our country don't get reliable information from us." She ain't lying! 5:56

[@stephenpurves2590]

Yes, and of course as she points out we have very stiff censorship as well. Oh how I laughed!

[@blackcountrylad464]

The russian people talk in the video about needing to learn history. So here's a history lesson... Igor Girkin and Donbas Mh 17 passenger airliner was shot down in Donbas in July 2014. A Dutch court found three ruSSians guilty in absentia of that crime and those russians are wanted by the ICC to stand trial in the Hague. But guess who one of the russians was? Igor Girkin! Former FSB officer (now in jail in russia for criticising putin). Girkin has admitted in several published interviews that the FSB invaded Crimea and Donbas in 2014. It was not a popular uprising and russian speaking Ukrainians were not under threat. Girkin has admitted that the mess russia created in the Donbas has led to hatred of russia in the Donbas. He has gone on record saying there was no civil war. Just the FSB causing provocations that were then backed up by the russian army in neutral uniforms. Girkin boasted: "I pulled the trigger for war. If our troops had not come from Russia to Donbas and Crimea, we would not have been able to start a war." putin has since invented the figure of 20,000 civilian deaths, offering NO EVIDENCE whatsoever; no cemeteries filled with bodies, no names, no eye witnesses, nothing. Prigozhin (naturally before putin had him murdered) had also admitted that there were no Nazis in Ukraine and that Ukraine had posed no threat to russia before the invasion. He blamed elites in Moscow for launching an unnecessary and unprovoked war designed to make themselves rich. That is the truth. Not from me. Not from the West. From the mouths of the russians who were there and started it.

[@magpiegirl3783]

Correct. Disappointed the western media did not cover these issues more heavily. The "8 years of bombing" is spread through so many comments on so many channels. I thought Girkin's and Progzhin's comments were stunning and they should have been emblazoned across western media channels and papers in the hope that some of those who "admire" Putin might ... just, might ... open their eyes.

[@ivosteimanis6589]

Everything was great in Donbas until Russian troops appeared there in 2014. The takeover of Donbass was a project of the Russian special services, as was the occupation of Crimea. Russia deliberately launched this Donbas action in 2014 with the aim that it would become the reason for further occupation of Ukraine on February 24, 2022.

[@99solutionsit10]

Putin offered a lot of clues in his speeches during the last decade. West kept a blind eye, and Germany pathetic attempt to tame the Bear with economics failed big time, thanks to Mrs.Moro... sorry Merkel.

[@sebt-sy2ok]

​@@99solutionsit10russian bewr IS more a Puppy. West try toTalk. Russia Starts a illegal war.and the West dont even start to pruduce Military Equipment Till now. And russia aleady has big Problems .Putin 1 day.before that " Special Operation" promised He dont Go over the Border and Like Always HE LIE

[@cloudstrife5209]

You should ask them about who owns Alaska. I would love to see that video. 🤔😳

[@VictorLyuba]

👍🇺🇲🤝🇺🇦✌️You are far behind on the subject!!!

[@thePronto]

Russia owns the world. Just ask Russians. But don't ask the Buryats.

[@kimjongun4977]

Don’t even think about Alaska nazis Russian😂. Uncle Sam very dangerous 😂😂

[@hannahdyson7129]

​@@kimjongun4977Uncle Sam is only dangerous so long as the Orange loon isn't in office

[@ucube33]

If this is the general opinion of the people of Russia, this situation definitely will not end with Ukraine, the rest of Europe need to be ready for it, because these people are crazy.

[@PUARockstar]

​@@alenka8446именно

[@borbolettaazul]

Thanks USA and Blackrock, Ukraine is just sold out

[@sgm1082]

Yes they are

[@onilchannel6561]

As a person, who is living in Russia, I can tell u with a big pain in my heart, that yes, this is how majority of Russians think. I lost any hopes when I realized, that it's not just the older generation, but even the young one(they are more liberal, but it's still mostly people with imperialism thinking)

[@user-ez7ud6ds2u]

The people there are adequate. And here in the comments are some propaganda agents from the center for information and psychological special operations

[@asynchronicity]

The word “protection” is a sly joke in mafia circles.😅

[@snowsneakerchief4230]

Its rather hilarious that the Russians tell people to study history when the first "Rus" was Kiev, and it was Kiev that also first adopted Orthodoxy. These people are all zombified.

[@firmonkey8782]

First "Rus" was Novgorod. But Kiev was first adopted orthodoxy.

[@snowsneakerchief4230]

@@firmonkey8782 You are right, I tend to forget that, because Novgorod was in many ways not so Russian politically.

[@greatsarmatae]

Novgorod was never "first Rus", it is utter illogical absurd and non-scientific fiction, based, contrary to all existing facts, on a fictional medieval dynastic legendarium Primary Chronicles, whose author's motives are clear, and who had no material sources for the tale. Rus is Kyivan kingdom, and it has always been there since the inception - it is what all contemporary chronicles testify, pointing out that both Novgorod and all else isn't called Rus at all. Official Russian archeology directly proved Novgorod's absence prior to mid of 10-th century. Anybody are free to read the ultimate study, but Russian state avoids brining that up. That cult of Novgorod is Soviet post-war gibberish, lovely exploited in Putin's baloney of course too.

[@firmonkey8782]

@@greatsarmatae There is no evidence that Kiev was the capital of Russia long before her baptism. There is no data refuting the Norman origin of the Rurikovich (Russian ruling dynasty). Archaeology suggests that Novgorod existed in the IX century. But Kiev appeared a little later than Novgorod, since traces of the city walls date back to the border of the IX and X centuries. And the cult of Novgorod was still in tsarist Russia. Rather, not a cult, but the recognition of Novgorod as the first Russian capital.

[@greatsarmatae]

@@firmonkey8782 you wrote some nonsense concerning capital, it's about the location of the country, not about the capital - and it's only within Kiyvan region. Rurik's origins doesn't matter at all, foreign dynasty origin is commonness - Rus is neither a dynasty nor "Normans" (who were all over nearby and elsewhere, yet always called Varyags etc), however it is a land/country/folk within Kyiv-Chernihov-Pereyaslov region, distinct from the rest around, which is a straight fact in documents of 9-13 centuries. Kyiv as a city is completely visible in 9-th century, and Rus besieged Constantinople already in 860 as a great force. Not only Novgorod wasn't there, being but a tiny village kilometers away from the city founded in 10-th century, that empty place merely couldn't compete or have relevance to a completely separate, wealthy, long populated center of 2 trading routes, eastern and southern - Kyiv. So, as for the link - it was made up vice versa.

[@PrimaFactus]

Donetsk with "8 years of bombing" looks like a shiny new city compared to Ukrainian cities which are left in ruins after a couple of months.

[@Scrat335]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/borIm2pqjqZ1mc0

[@Palstif]

@@Scrat335 Patrick Lancaster , really ? Are you that *redacted* ?

[@LizardSpork]

The tragedy is, the Donbas male population has been decimated in the past 2 years after being forcibly conscripted into the Russian war machine and thrown into the meat grinder. Because they're not really seen as Russians, so even more disposable than regular Russian conscripts.

[@mariaangelicabrunellsolar7086]

Donetsk is still destroyed in many parts. But the people there are constantly rebuilding and repairing things. For example, the market which was shelled the other day has been shelled and repaired several times.

[@fabik805]

@@Scrat335 Doesn't change the fact that Donezk is mostly fine. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many people living there. Of course there will be civilians casualties. That city is extremely close to the frontline of one of the most deadliest wars in modern history. Why don't they evacuate the city?

[@rossevans1774]

When I listen to what some Russian people believe about Donetsk, I always keep in my mind that Donetsk is a region in the sovereign country of Ukraine. I also know that the regions of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk and Crimea are also regions in the sovereign country of Ukraine.

[@momala3919]

go to Donetsk and Crimea, ask people what they think about which country they belong to

[@mry5661]

The opinion of the local population of these regions is of little interest to you. The Bolsheviks made a bunch of land gifts to Ukraine, which remained absolutely ungrateful to them, and they always whined more about the repressions of Georgian Stalin than all other peoples, although absolutely everyone without exception suffered from the Bolsheviks. “If you don’t like the history of the USSR, return the gifts,” Putin thought. maybe so))

[@pyatochkok223]

When you hear about Kosovo, do you keep in mind that this is the territory of sovereign Serbia?hypocrites

[@rossevans1774]

If Putin was ever to be successful in militarily 'taking' any part of any sovereign country it is only a matter of time before he takes a little more of Ukraine, or even another sovereign country like Poland. The World and Europe stood by and allowed Putin to take Ukraine's Crimea region, that gave him confidence in taking Donetsk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk. Putin thought his invasion of Ukraine would go unchallenged by NATO.@@momala3919

[@rossevans1774]

Long before 2014 Putin was financing and arming 'his' Russian separatists in Donbas. Only when he knew his separatist had failed in 2014 did he send in his military, another failure. In Feb. 2023 he believed NATO would not intervene when he again attempted to invade Ukraine, another failure. Now he is desperately trying to avoid yet another failure by claiming Ukraine's Donbas as a victory. @@momala3919

[@odynhros]

I love watching volodimir zolkin's videos, hearing the interviews get to the point where the russians describe their activities in east ukraine, detailing how they would enter abandoned civilian homes and liberate the appartment's from cans of meat, sausage and preserves. The hero russians freeing the innocent ukrainians of their food supplies...

[@Obobavvive]

I respect the hard work Daniil doing to let us know how's the situation in Russia, but now the time of "asking" is over, now it's time to "tell them" what happen.

[@senilelavrov]

Russians "helped protect" Donbas, just like they "helped" Mariupol, Kherson, Severdonetsk, Lyschansk, Bahkmut, and Avdiika.

[@mariaangelicabrunellsolar7086]

That is exactly true! Didn't you listen all those people describing the horrible conditions of life under the Nazi Ukraine government? You may check Graham Phillips, Patrick Lancaster, and so many other independent Western journalists who have informed from there.

[@xkerchx]

And Bucha and Irpin and Zaporozhia and…

[@Dan8254]

I am enlightened to learn that Russians are so noble, willing to sacrifice to help others.👏👏👏👏 It's just so strange that many ex Sovyet states chose to break away from such a noble country 😂

[@user-ng6wc4xr2l]

Лучшая защита это нападение.

[@dw620]

The MAJORITY of the Donbass was actually majority-Ukrainian speaking before *they* were ethnically cleansed. (Putin's narrative relies only on language and even then it falls down because Russian speakers were highly concentrated in the cities rather than the countryside of the area.)

[@geoms6263]

The war began 12 April 2014, when a fifty-man commando unit headed by Russian citizen Igor Girkin seized Sloviansk in Donetsk oblast. The Ukrainian military launched an operation against them.

[@vaataja]

And Girkin is literally an FSB colonel. So much of how local Donbas miners stood up against oppressive Kyiv. Girkin is FSB colonel, Russian army was in Donbas without military IDs on "vacation".

[@pyatochkok223]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6rNn5mbodWSjJI April 6, 2014, the illegal government of Ukraine declares its citizens in the east of the country terroristists. Oops

[@pyatochkok223]

6 апреля Турчинов обьявил террористами своих же граждан, а протесты против незаконной власти на Донбассе начались ещё в 2013.

[@dmy_tro]

The war started in March when Putin sent russian troops to Crimea and occupied the peninsula.

[@APXA1]

​@@dmy_troSeperatists purged at the same time in Donbas.

[@RedWBalls]

Lying is a national past time in Russia. No hope for these people.

[@BohdanNosa95]

Why wouldn't Russia restore its original territories from 1140s by giving back all it's territories to first owners?

[@dagnytaggart2027]

100%

[@renemagritte8237]

"They should learn history, we had to protect our people 2014" Dear Russian friends, the power of Russian wishful thinking is overwhelming. I just wonder why no one of your lot asks a very simple question: why there was no one single victim and no single destroyed house BEFORE you started protecting the inhabitants of Eastern Ukraine? Why was it necessary to send Russian nationalist activists and special forces there in order to convince the people that they were suffering? From those Russian subjects who initiated this mayhem and following orders from Moscow led so called "uprisings" there are only few who survived, most of them were murdered and interestingly not by Ukrainians but local "unknown perpetrators". Some of them, like Prigoshin and his coworkers were executed, others like Strelkov are in Russian prison. Almost all initial so called local leaders of so called uprisings were citizens of RF and members of FSB. You have created a terrible situation on the territory of another State and started to help accusing people who dared to defend their homeland of being nazis. Without your help East Ukraine wouldn't be a pile of rubble and a graveyard for thousands. Just start to ask questions about what caused what and stop to repeat what state want you to believe.

[@dw620]

The MAJORITY of the Donbass was actually majority-Ukrainian speaking before *they* were ethnically cleansed. (Putin's narrative relies only on language and even then it falls down because Russian speakers were highly concentrated in the cities rather than the countryside of the area.)

[@quebecforce111]

@renemagritte8237 Putin and all is clowns around him are the Nazis of modern world . They are racist ,want the return of the CCCP . And you russians people , no revolt to instal democraty in your country. Its really sad to watch

[@alexredman6809]

Украина сама создала эту ситуацию в результате гражданского противостояния и государственного переворота. И тогда возникла благоприятная ситуация для начала гражданской войны. В гражданских войнах всегда есть внешние заинтересованные в победе одной из сторон страны. Россия по объективным причинам являлась самой заинтересованной из них. Так что, причина этой ситуации в том, что гражданское противостояние в Украине закончилось государственным переворотом. Только мирный переход власти может гарантировать, что внутри любой страны в дальнейшем не вспыхнет кровавая бойня.

[@mry5661]

As a Russian, I will answer you: 1. people in any country repeat the agenda imposed on them by the media. 2. There has been absolutely no freedom of speech on TV for more than 10 years. Russian TV visually “correctly” represents the course of hostilities for its citizens. 3. Returns to point 1 I want to ask you why Westerners did not protest so actively when your troops invaded regimes and countries they hated with much greater casualties. Yes, I know, there was a public outcry, but a hundred times less. why? Вecause there was no such agenda in your media. Because they dealt with their opponents. When Russia attacked your ally, there was an unimaginable outcry and sanctions. I don’t remember Americans being excommunicated from the Olympics during the invasion of Iraq with incredible civilian casualties. The actions of the Western media will always be justified, the actions of Russia will absolutely always be criticized. These are the rules of the game.

[@jacekplacek5411]

@@mry5661 The invasion of Iraq was consequence for 9/11 attack. Iraq war goal wasn't to conquer Iraq and force to join it as the next state of USA, contrary to what Putin wants to do now. This war isn't about who start first, but it's about politics and the question: in what country do you want to live? 1) authoritarian russian style, 2) democracy western style

[@Jerry_from_analytics]

Maybe this is also a question worth asking (must have been suggested before): "If Russian speakers are persecuted in Ukraine, how come there are many Russian speaking fighters on Ukrainian side?" ... (there's plenty of interviews, combat footage, some mini-documentaries from defence of Kharkiv, Sumy where Russian language is used).

[@TheFeldhamster]

You don't even need to ask about fighters. Zelenskyy himself is a native Russian speaker whose career was almost entirely in Russian. Only his very last movie was in Ukrainian. Even in Servant of the People he speaks Russian 95% of the time. And people still wanted him for president and voted him in. If Russian was such a persecuted language, how come one of the most well-known and beloved media stars not only had a 20 year, successful career while speaking Russian but also got elected as president? With 73% of the vote, no less? But sure, sure, it was totally illegal to speak Russian in Ukraine. 🤦‍♂️

[@onilchannel6561]

​@@TheFeldhamster It's even more funny hearing that Ukraine is a nazi state with Jewish president

[@rickhauser9698]

Russian writer Fyodor Dostoyevsky described his own countrymen as …..”The people who wander around Europe and look for what can be wrecked, destroyed just for fun.”

[@MattiasHenriksson-sw7xw]

This is the most unreal insane thing I've seen in a long time.

[@Causemoi]

@MattiasHenriksson-sw7xw And what about MAGA?

[@mariaangelicabrunellsolar7086]

You need to research about this outside Western MSM. Graham Phillips, Patrick Lancaster and other Western independent journalists have been informing in situ since the war started, in 2014. Oliver Stone has done 2 documentaries which also tell the truth.

[@josemanrique9561]

why? we must to believe in all the lies from Zelensky and Biden?i MUST TO BELIEVE THE RUSSIA DESTROYED NORDSTREAM? I must to be brainwashed like ukranazi and average european?

[@MattiasHenriksson-sw7xw]

​@@CausemoiIndeed the MAGA crowd is quite insane to.

[@videowa4er]

Man, go watch how Ukraine killed its own 65 POWs. THIS IS insane.

[@Hlib_Dolianovski]

Remember this all time when you hear “it is putin’s war”

[@BorisLubPPT]

It's putin's war. As Russian, I see a lot of people against war, but all of these afraid

[@fgb6737]

Cada ruso fuera de su país es un agente enemigo de Occidente....

[@dennisvogelius8602]

It is so scarry to watch. I dont know what special geography Russians learn, and the same goes for history. OBVIOUSLY different from the rest of the world

[@DevouringKing]

The Russian Leader made no secret of the fact that he wanted to turn the whole of Country into Russia. He published a essay about this in June 2021. He said it has been the biggest mistake of the previous government to admit it as a state. In the same year later in December he had a long speech, in which he said: Ua has no right to exist. 2 Months Later he started the "Operation". He also admitted in September 2023 in Vladivostok, that this war was about conquering land, especially Crimea. He was asked what future generations will think about him. He responded with an example of Katarina II. According to Historians, she is historically weak, because she did not manage to make Crimea Russia. And he doesn't want people to write about him like that in the history books later. So the Russian Leader admits that he is afraid that future generations will consider him weak if he does not manage to turn Crimea into Russia. He also says right after that, "National interests always come first." And "that is my very most important guideline and goal." And "I am not ashamed to admit this." This is the Reason for Starting this back in February 2022. Its all for his Ego. As Wagner Leader said before his Plane Explosion. This "Operation" was only for the Grandpa to look good in his Grave.

[@paulalexandru7682]

So lets consider that Donbas wanted independence from Ukraine. Ukraine did not want to let them go and Russia invaded Ukraine because of that. But what about all those regions from Russia who want to declare independence from Russia? Why they are not allowed? Why all of them are shut down ? Why all protesters are put in jail ? Because it is obvious that in Russia there are plenty of peoples with different religions, traditions, history etc. Each ones indentify in it's own way.

[@mariaangelicabrunellsolar7086]

Everything you said is not true. You need to research about this subject. Especially about Chechnya, where the West funded separatism.

[@NewOrleansSeptember]

Your views are simple minded. If the Ukrainians had not started persecuting the Russians they would not have needed to be independent. No one persecutes people in different regions of Russia.

[@janpavel1107]

@@mariaangelicabrunellsolar7086 and russia funded separatism in Donbas.

[@gustavl3107]

Big yes! And also, what right does Russia have to step in and just claim the regions that there is unrest in? And then, within a decade, annex? I understand that Ukraine has had big problems in the last 30 years, but none of that justify how Russia has treated their "once brotherly neighbor". We've seen in the last two years how Ukraine has responded - a full scale rejection of Russia. Putin should wise up and leave.

[@gustavl3107]

@@NewOrleansSeptember Chechnya

[@SammywiseG]

I find it laughable that the people who say 'learn about history' only know history from the official Russian side of things. Many don't seem to know that many of the Russians in those regions arrived there after the Holodomor and Stalin's purging of the region of Ukrainians made way for Russian speakers to move in to replace them. It's similar to how the Tatars were relocated from Crimea and the Germans from Kaliningrad (then Koenigsberg).

[@mry5661]

It is absolutely untrue what you wrote regarding the settlement of the eastern lands of Ukraine and the famine from which many in the USSR suffered, but only because of the drought in these territories and the stupid management of the Bolsheviks. Although the Ukrainians whine the most about the Holodomor, reserving this prerogative. It is known from the archives that it was Lenin, and later Stalin, who gave carte blanche to Ukraine, giving them the eastern Russian lands, inhabited by Russians, as well as the south, including Odessa, where the indigenous peoples were only Russians and Jews. They also issued a decree in which the study of the Ukrainian language became widespread, which was not the case under the tsar. Large industrial enterprises were created on these lands, which quickly went bankrupt after the collapse of the USSR, while the Ukrainian economy was considered the most developed in the entire USSR. Of course, this is a disgrace, to distribute Russian lands on what grounds, why? Khrushchev later distinguished himself with this when he gave Crimea to Ukraine. And at the same time, they hate the Soviet regime and whine more than anyone, even the Balts. 😂 All this contradicts the fact that Ukraine was deliberately starved of famine. Regarding the Crimean Tatars and Kaliningrad, the information is correct. What can you not read in Western historical tales?

[@marymarlow3646]

@@mry5661 Hmm. I understood it was collectivised farming that caused the famine.

[@user-oi4tj4pp8q]

It was active genocide the food was confiscated and given to the red army under Stalin and farmers were arrested and put in concentration camps out east or simply killed but the ethnic cleansing started before under the occupation by the Russian Empire where Ukrainians where forced to speak Russian and many Ukrainians, taters and others were deported east

[@miroslavdusin4325]

@@marymarlow3646 Russians enforced their system and that caused the holodomor. Plus the government helped it actively. But this never was and never will be taught in Russia so no suprise they have no clue about what really happened.

[@deusexe582]

There were russians even before holodomor

[@MrQuintus74]

The level of questions drops, the tension rises ? A pointless question whose answers were a foregone conclusion.They'll never have the courage to face the truth. It's easier to live that way.

[@UncleHam1337]

Its always the tech people with the ability to understand English and having the access to Internet being the most aware of things happening around them, no surprise there.

[@Langhorstiness]

I'm going to stop taking Russian language lessons so that Russia doesn't invade Canada to protect me.

[@thePronto]

Girkin isn't in prison. Prigozhin isn't dead. They are living under assumed names in Brighton Beach. Or in Trump Tower.

[@mephistotel87]

Do you have borsch? If not, don't worry. Ukrainians had, and even claimed it's their invention.

[@Langhorstiness]

​@@mephistotel87 I make borscht all the time and if you know borscht there are as many recipes as there are Babas. If I can't find any beets I go Russian style. If I can find beets I make the Ukrainian style. Both borschts taste great so maybe that's the recipe to end the war. Everybody just stop killing each other and make some soup instead.

[@DrBurdock]

they will come to protect Canada from you.

[@zeugsman]

😅👍

[@gr1ver354]

They don't know how to pronounce the name of the region properly, but they surely know who bombed it

[@andrewgorelik4792]

​@@videowa4er you will believe any fake video as long as it suits russia's narrative

[@severereality9583]

end the war that Putin started in 2014? You can see all this in the video@@videowa4er

[@jeomix]

@@videowa4er and Putin said that there will never be a war with Ukraine, so what?

[@ElRabito]

@@videowa4er RụSSɳaƶȋ 🤡

[@janpavel1107]

@@videowa4er If by Nazis you mean russian army then yes, you are right😄

[@znet2723]

I wish they would have seen the interview with Prigozhin who basically discounted all the 8 years of bombing. It's still on the internet. it's the one where a reporter interviewed him. Then the reporter was fired and arrested(I believe).

[@steinerdrei]

Witness the power of propaganda, "A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth"

[@user-ee9dl2yq1e]

Вопрос только в ьом, о чьей пропаганде тв говоришь? О пропаганде в своей стране или о пропаганде в России?

[@pengu1785]

​@@user-ee9dl2yq1ewho's do you think?

[@KipKil1igan]

Donbas is no more Russian than Ireland and Scotland is English. Just because some speak the same language and its close doesnt mean its yours. Imagine if a few radicals in texas wanted to be apart of mexico, and so the mexican army entered the US to "free" them. How is that not an invasion? Russians need to look up the definition of the word. They forgot about Grozny too huh?

[@16252]

Northern Ireland and Scotland are part of Great Britain, so not the best comparison. Perhaps you could say 'the Republic of Ireland...' Or use Canada as the example.

[@stephenpurves2590]

An excellent analogy.

[@brianrasmussen2956]

Putins "logic" is anything but. I guess Putin would agree... But hey, he just wants power and demands to control Ukraine, and maybe the world?

[@SoThisIsMyCat]

The "funny" thing is that literally they are saying that Ukraine is bad for bombing secessionist regions, but they forgot about Chechnya

[@wookie2222]

They even forget about them bombing Ukraine, by litteraly claiming that they have to bomb the secessionist Ukraine because they allegedly had bombed Donbas.

[@mariaangelicabrunellsolar7086]

You need to research about Chechnya. Their secessionists were foreign funded, like the ones in Syria. It was more an invasion by Jihadists from other countries. Proof of that is that the people of Chechnya joined the Russian army to defeat their oppressors. Ukraine is guilty of war crimes, bombing civilian areas in the Donbass, not for 8, but for 10 years, since the Maidan.

[@NewOrleansSeptember]

Your views are simple minded. If the Ukrainians had not started persecuting the Russians they would not have needed to be independent. No one persecutes people in different regions of Russia.

[@janpavel1107]

@@NewOrleansSeptember Good one😄

[@peterjarmesty1884]

Twice!

[@artuselias]

"Just go study history" "Oh no, not that history, I mean _our_ history" They're literally living in an alternate reality.

[@georgenelson7891]

And so you do.

[@stuartjones7491]

Having spent an hour with a girl from the Donbas last week, I actually had to stop watching this video. The Russian officers occupied her parents house and made them move to the basement where it was 3deg Celsius. When the girl called her parents on the landline, the Russians told her her parents were dead ( they were lying, her father managed to SMS her) When the Russian troops ( not officers ) arrived, they were made to sleep outside. It was -20 deg. When the Ukrainians asked the officers why they were making the soldiers sleep outside, their response was " they are going to die soon anyway' It was heartbreaking to hear her story. The only upside was that the family managed to escape by bribing the officers with their cars and all their money. They walked to (unoccupied) Ukraine and had their freedom, but lost all worldly possessions.

[@BerlinerFolker]

One observation from this New Zealander. The power of indoctrination by the state has worked 100% So sad 😢 My heart bleeds for my Ukrainian brothers and sisters 💔

[@alannatory]

You know better from New Zealand than we do here. Just laughter...

[@emillio_gonzales]

What makes you think that everything is happening exactly as you were told on your TV? Stop believing your propaganda. Just come to eastern Ukraine and watch Ukrainians fight against Kyiv

[@mermilena]

Then learn a bit more of history of Western and Eastern Ukraine. About Alley of Angels in Donetsk for example.

[@besconst]

@@mermilena yeah, he should know how separatists shelled Mariinka, Avdiivka, killing children and put them on that valley also as "victims of the Kyiv Regime", truly cynical

[@BenyNukem]

No hope for Russia.

[@fabriceregnaut3540]

Hope for brain ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKOwmoaHdqyCiZY

[@timotheusvanesch3959]

Oh yes, there is [some, albeit little, maybe]. You see the young people with doubt in their eyes, while the elderly are utterly convinced.

[@robopalo8041]

@@timotheusvanesch3959 wrong. Young are same debilitated.

[@corepunch]

@@timotheusvanesch3959The young just don't care (yet)

[@user-ee9dl2yq1e]

You will not grasp her with your mind Or cover with a common label, For Russia is one of a kind - Believe in her, if you are able... Fyodor Tyutchev November 28, 1866

[@martinb7435]

"Historically Russian". What that means we can learn from Lithuanians, Latvians..

[@Neokusp]

As Ukrainian, I just can't watch this, so brainwashed I just don't have words

[@1verstapp]

if the donbassians loved mother ruzzia so much they should have emigrated there.

[@firmonkey8782]

It should not be forgotten that the border of Ukraine was determined by the Bolsheviks. Since modern Russia is a traditional bourgeois state, it has the right to reconsider the decision of the ideological sectarians who ruled Russia at the time. To reconsider in favor of the Russians.

[@rhfy8389]

if ukraininas loved gay europe so much they should have emigrated there.

[@emillio_gonzales]

Why can't these people stay on their land? They have their own right to choose!

[@stephenhill545]

​@@rhfy8389wasn't tschaikovskii gay?

[@roman-from-Tambov]

​@@stephenhill545подтверждений этому нет.

[@miikasallinen3604]

According to official UN estimates, a total of 3,404 civilians died in the Donbass war between 2014 and 2022. That number covers civilians killed on both sides and also includes MH17's 298 civilian casualties, whose deaths are indisputably Russia's fault. More than 3,000 of them died in 2014-2015. During the years 2018-2021, only a little over a hundred civilians died. Most of them died in mines. In addition, many civilians died while handling unexploded ordnance that exploded in their hands. In 2020 and 2021, only 15 civilians died as a result of active hostilities. These figures are from OHCHR reports. They are the only independent estimates of casualty figures, and are based on reports by UN observers. The claim that Ukraine carried out mass murder in Donbass is outrageous bullshit without any decent evidence.

[@maestro6458]

Who is now shelling Donetsk with MLRS? Do you think this is Putin? Why did Ukraine deliberately sabotage the implementation of the Minsk agreements?

[@nikolayew]

I have read numbers up to 14k on both sides. But still not comparable to what Russia is doing right now.

[@mizeraklid]

​@@nikolayewincluding combatants

[@miikasallinen3604]

@@nikolayew Your number includes all the victims of the war. I only wrote about civilian casualties. These issues are deliberately mixed up in Russian propaganda. They talk about civilian casualties and then tell about 14k dead, even though civilian casualties are only a small part of that number. In addition, that 14k covers deaths in both parties. Many of them are caused by Russians themselves.

[@alannatory]

@@miikasallinen3604 And Israel destroyed more than 10,000 Palestinians in a month of fighting, and this suits the entire Western world.

[@kestutisi]

I heard Lithuanians in Kaliningrad cannot learn Lithuanian in minority schools, these schools are being shut down. I guess Lithuanian army should enter the Kaliningrad region and defend their people, also, it's our historical land 😂

[@georgenelson7891]

You are small insignificant country. You only had a prosperity while being in USSR or Russia. Now go pound the sand.

[@JanChodura68]

oh, famous "russian help" I know it in Czechoslovakia.

[@philipnehiley6579]

"We have Putin!" , she said with a pre-orgasmic look in her eyes.😁😂🤣😎

[@JDWardBand]

Demonstrates the power of propaganda and how people will believe anything spoken on Russian TV 😂

[@fabriceregnaut3540]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKOwmoaHdqyCiZY

[@DubElementMusic]

true except dor the smiley

[@mariaangelicabrunellsolar7086]

And you are demonstrating the power of Western propaganda, which has been lying about this at least since the US took down the Ukrainian president in 2014

[@ConnorBurns-lm3mk]

No, it demonstrates how primitive ruSSian monsters are, their real face.

[@seanbrennan9188]

Troll

[@Fastbikkel]

What a miserable place. But no surprise, it's been like this for many years. Now we see why that famous U.S. general had a point when he said the U.S. needed to invade Russia immediately after Germany's defeat. We would never get a chance and we would be stuck with them causing trouble for generations to come. Look at history, Russia has been misbehaving since.

[@johnfsenpai]

6:12 my mother is Russian and happened to be in Crimea in 2014, which made her very opposed to Putin. From her, I learned two reasons why this is bs: first, anti-war Russians who live in the West avoid talking to their brainwashed friends and family about politics because they get very aggressive when you disagree with them on this topic (especially the war) and casually joke about "liberating" us; second, there are still people in the West who fall for your propaganda because, unfortunately, our governments allow it, and Russians are especially subjected to this because they watch your TV channels. Westerners who look at actual data (e.g. the fact that only 25 Donbass civilians died in 2021 and none in 2022 prior to the invasion, compared to thousands when Russia invaded) are all opposed to this invasion

[@georgenelson7891]

And how many civilians in Donbass died in 2014 and 2015? And what does she think about banderization of Ukraine?

[@johnfsenpai]

@@georgenelson7891 1) civilians died in 2014 and 2015 because Russians used them as human shields (they fired military equipment from civilian areas). Even then, it's not nearly enough of them to justify an invasion of Ukraine 8 years later. 2) Banderization of Ukraine is a meaningless propaganda buzzword.

[@georgenelson7891]

@@johnfsenpai 1) What was the need to fire the rockets in Lugansk and Donetsk city centers from fighter jets? And why Ukraine didn't want to implement Minsk Treaty? And do you remember what was prior to Feb 24, 2022 - like in Feb 23, 22, 21, 20? 2) Maybe for you and your mother Banderization is meaniningless, but for Donbass and other Crimeans it was very meaningful. That's why they wanted to separate from Ukraine. They just didn't want to celebrate Nazi collaborators, they didn't want to have strrets renamed, Russian language schools closed, and Russian books, newspapers, theaters, memorials, museums inCrimea closed.

[@brianrasmussen2956]

@@georgenelson7891 Because of RUSSIAN seperatists. Lead by???? Kremlin. And yes, Putin only brings death and destruction.

[@johnfsenpai]

@@georgenelson7891 as I already explained, they needed to bombard Luhansk and Donetsk because Russians had installed and fired artillery from there. They intended to hurt Donbass civilians, Ukraine only did it because it had to fire back or more people would be hurt. Ukraine didn't want to implement the Minsk treaties because Russians immediately attacked right after they were signed. "Before Feb 24" you mean these months when not a single civilian died in the Donbass but Putin nonetheless pretended that there was a genocide and threatened to invade. Or do you mean the years prior, when Zelensky was trying to offer anything for a ceasefire, including recognising the results of the "DPR" and "LPR"'s elections (despite the lack of independent observers), while you were calling him a Nazi? Banderization isn't _meaningless to me,_ it is _meaningless._ Meaning it doesn't describe anything that exists. What Russian books, museums and schools were closed?

[@rednogaru]

Zombified Russians,. Be ready Europe, this is so scary😢

[@vaataja]

This channel should be mandatory watching for every European politician.

[@rhfy8389]

Not so much as europeans

[@emillio_gonzales]

Zombified Europe is even scarier 😂😂😂 Your CNN, NBC, BBC and other lie propaganda channels will never tell you the truth

[@emillio_gonzales]

​@@vaatajaDude, this channel tells you what you want to hear.

[@sergeypichkurov8757]

​@@emillio_gonzalesthis channel presents ordinary (russian) people opinions, as a matter of fact, nothing else. It's up to the viewers to make their takeaways ... Or are you saying its wrong people? Or they express somewhat unorthodox opinions?

[@andrewgorelik4792]

Лучше спросите, кто Чечню бомбил 10 лет

[@olenmees9150]

ruzzians are only tough when "enemy" is much smaller and they have numbers , they also like to attack from behind the back and many vs 1

[@wabw4h]

А чего не 100 лет сразу, Тарабс?

[@tohru2910]

Дилдаев теперь у нас жертва?

[@namastezen3300]

The fsb is reportedly responsible for the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings and false flagging Chechnya.

[@ctavares3414]

They probably will blame the Nazis…

[@we73]

6:25 Many german friends, I have to laugh. Such friends are either so called russian germans who came here in the 1990s from the former german territories and secondly she is speaking about people who support the far right parties here in Germany who are also supporting Putin, but those are only 10% of the whole people here in Germany.

[@Kai-bj5ol]

she talks of some people not of hundreds of thousands people with german/russian roots living nowadays in germany.

[@UnMirloBlanco]

Thank you for your courageous work and the insights you give us!

[@domluigi2012]

Those who think that Russia had to go and "defend" the separatists in another country, why did they support the war that Russia waged against Chechnya when they wanted to be independent from Russia?

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

Putin turned Grozny into rubble to "stop terrorism". You see there had been bombs killing civilians in Moscow. A KGB guy was arrested planting 1 of the bombs but "no no no that never happened. It was just a rumour"

[@MainstreamPoPsucks3]

The old fool says Ukraine never existed. It has existed for 33 years. Before that it was the Ukrainian SSR since 1922. Before that it was an independent state from 1917/1918 to 1921. Earlier in history Ukraine was for centuries not inside the same empire as the moscovites.

[@stephenpurves2590]

The Old Fool has read Russian history, so it must be the truth!!!

[@MainstreamPoPsucks3]

@@stephenpurves2590 nah, he has read putinist propaganda.

[@w1lkro]

Ukraine is 400 years older than Russia according to some histories. Whatever is the truth it never did belong to Russia, but like Russia it was part of the Soviet Union. Russia was just the biggest country in the Soviet Union.

[@stephenpurves2590]

The Russian Government lies all the time. They seem to believe that if they tell the same lie over and over again then it becomes the truth, or (as appears to be the case), their own people at least begin to believe it. The actual level of brainwashing of the people is quite staggering, especially amongst the older population. @@w1lkro

[@natalliya2703]

The truth is that Ukraine is the rightful successor of the Kyivan Rus. Moscovy is a defective branch, which rebranded itself as Russia in 1721 claiming the allegiance to the Kyivan Rus. It's identity theft. What do you do to the people you steal identity from? Right, you try to destroy them and wipe out any memory of them so as to make sure your crime never gets revealed.

[@zozika]

Russia is the part of the Mongolian Empire historically, so....come on Mongols!

[@LIfeSavingFlame]

in fact, Russia is the heir to the Byzantine Empire

[@magpiegirl3783]

I believe the leader of Mongolia actually said something like this in rebuttal to a Putin speech.

[@zozika]

@@magpiegirl3783 Yesss and said: we are peaceful nation, do not want to invade Russia :)

[@brianrasmussen2956]

@@zozika I love that this shows how delusional Putin is. Putin has no place in a modern society.

[@Renewal7]

In education system of the Soviet Union a history book was valid for three years. Even if that has changed, there are so many versions that it is better to not study the Russian side of history.

[@brinjoness3386]

That was a hard one to watch, I understood what I was getting into but holy smokes they have gone nuts.

[@andreyromashchenko8967]

ikr. I cant start watching the video because i had 2 years of this. It quite damaging.

[@markusmeldre]

4:39 "Russia kept weapons on its territory" "We put our weaponry where we want them!" The cognitive dissonance in authoritarian nations is just ridiculous

[@pyatochkok223]

Minsk agreements, do you know about their existence?

[@alex-0]

@@pyatochkok223 Yes. Did you hear that DNR/LNR also broke them ? Also did you hear that even Surkov who was one of the authors said he did not believe they will be implemented. Also did you hear about Budapest memorandum?

[@loose4bet]

@@pyatochkok223 Nice try vatnik. Are you ready for your enlistment and a meat wave you're gonna be sent as?

[@stephenpurves2590]

She said that after complaining that the Ukrainians put weapons on the Ukrainian side of the border??? Clearly one rule for Ukraine and a completely different one for Russia

[@alex-0]

@@stephenpurves2590 yep, pretty common thing in Russia. First of all many do not consider Ukraine as a state. And secondly double standards are pretty common. From the one hand Russian government claims they support right for self determination of nation for Donbass. But at the same time they do not recognize Kosovo or Taiwan.

[@Eris-sp6yt]

We were forced to study Russian in the elementary school when Russian troops are "temporarily" stationed here in Hungary... for 47 years. So who is the aggressor?

[@ixk4943]

Страна богатая, но, к сожалению, большинство людей совершенно глупы.

[@spage80]

In the eight years of war in the Donbas 3,404 civilians died. In less than two years of war in Chechnya 30,000 civilians died. It is easy to see which side targets civilians.

[@paulfenton734]

Those 3,000 civilians weee also from both side of the conflict and mainly in the early years. Also of that number over 200 were killed when Russia shot down the plane. In the year before the 2022 invasion the number was c30. More Donbass civilians were dying at the hands of drunken Russian forces. Up until then.

[@georgenelson7891]

And how many people were killed in Iraq in 1 year when Americans invaded?

[@spage80]

@@georgenelson7891 The US and its allies were wrong to invade Iraq. The difference is how much of Iraq was annexed none

[@georgenelson7891]

@@spage80 Iraq is thousand miles away from USA. USA can't annex it, but still keeps its base in there and thus controls it and it's resources. This is American "annexation" way.

[@edonveil9887]

Novorossiya wants to leave Ukraine - that's ok Ukraine wants to leave Russia - no way Russian logic defies logic.

[@pyatochkok223]

Россия признала независимость Украины в 1991. Аналогия очень глупая, Россия придерживается права наций на самоопределение, именно поэтому мы помогаем жителям Донбасса. Вы помогли жителям Косово, теперь наша очередь нести добро в мир✌

[@edv2920]

​@@pyatochkok223 даже на Донбассе поддержать россию могут только маргиналы и бомжи. Потому что пару миллионов жителей Донбасса были вынуждены выехать. россия - это же бедность, выживание, алкоголизм, страна без унитазов. Зачем это донецким?

[@kurkync]

@@pyatochkok223 ...Но у нас не было добра, поэтому мы принесли смерть

[@VVD.]

@@pyatochkok223 why did you seize the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions?

[@alex-0]

@@pyatochkok223 почему Чечне не дали самоопределиться? Почему Татарстане прошел референдум и большинство проголосовало за независимость но он не независимый. Жители Косово не были присоединены другим государством,так что пример не очень. но даже если применить такую тупую логику - тогда при чем здесь Херсонская область и Запорожье? Ну и напоследок если придерживается право наций и прочее - почему у нас в стране статья за сепаратизм? Каким образом право на самоопределение осуществляется если любой активст кто выступает за независимость республики попадает под статью?

[@Longtimerolling]

It's saddening that one person can turn millions of the Russian people into Zombies.. They seem to far gone to help now.

[@lauradivittorio1014]

странный способ защиты населения: сносить города и заминировать сельскую местность.

[@andrewgorelik4792]

Year 2022: AFU has been bombing Donbass for 8 years! Year 2077: AFU has been bombing Donbass for 8 years!

[@Ernismeister]

the propaganda machine forgot to change the number

[@diogorodrigues747]

*Dombing Bombass

[@JR-gp2zk]

Can you ask if it is OK if the Russian pension system goes bankrupt to fund the special military operation? Stay safe.

[@wookie2222]

Russian pension system will never go bankrupt, because of all the gas and oil and coal - starting with next month, pension will be paid out in coal, gas and oil; pensioners are required to bring their own buckets and balloons.

[@JackyJames1]

The ruble is worthless and Putin needs north Korea lol 1$ for 108 ruble and after April the ruble will drop even more so if you are educated you should know this

[@JR-gp2zk]

​@wookie2222 then can we ask why Wagner PMC and Gazprom PMC got into a civil war inside Russia? Gazprom profits will never go to the Russian people. It's for Putin and his oligarchs kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZWuq2WHo72thNksi=WmKqBD_v9VG-yVDW

[@georgenelson7891]

And if it's OK for germans if Germany goes bankrupt for supporting Ukraine?

[@CoffeeCup1346]

One thing I’ve learned about the truth since 2014, is that people people don’t necessarily want to know it.

[@extremathule982]

Russia looks more and more like Germany in 1939....

[@21h02]

Russia looks worse now than Germany did then. Although the Germans had an ideology (albeit a bad one), Russia has no idea, they are just somewhat similar

[@annavladimirovna3171]

Вам только так кажется. Не идеологически (в России как таковой идеологии нет), не технически, не экономически, не социально нет сходства вообще. Колосс на глиняных ногах - не более

[@brinjoness3386]

just not as pretty and 20 years behind in technology and infrastructure

[@egribanov]

Это тот образ который вы сами (или украинцы) стоите на западных новостях. Обычная украинская пропаганда

[@Thelostgoldhunters]

@@annavladimirovna3171 There is also no decent food, no good jobs and a vast difference between the rich and the poor, and of course, there are the mafias...

[@4everBeaconman]

What did russia do to regions which tried to break away from them?

[@baltazarcrump]

Didn't Igor Girkin admit to being sent to Donbas to foment trouble after Maidan revolution

[@vaataja]

Yes, FSB colonel Girkin literally admitted on TV that without his mission in Ukraine nothing would happened.

[@magpiegirl3783]

Correct. And he sits awaiting a trial for doing so. He has a big following and holds some big secrets. I wonder how Putin is going to dispose of him?

[@JP-up3vv]

So sad that ordinary Russians have such a distorted view of reality. Really heartbreaking.

[@ronnyrudeboy7461]

Their face telling they don´t believe it very much indeed, it easily seen on their face. And sources of this"knowledge" is all the same TV and putin news.

[@rossevans1774]

It is a state-controlled reality. State controlled distorted reality is called propaganda!

[@devansa125]

So you don't believe local ppl there.?

[@njswampfox474]

Much like the Germans during the time of the Nazis.

[@Alphamind123]

Already living in a simulation

[@evgeniytiumkin]

In your head, in your head Zombie, zombie, zombie-ie-ie

[@robertginsburg8113]

When you are a part of something that is reprehensible you have to commit your psyche to a story that justifies that reprehensible behavior to make it through the day without hating yourself. We've seen this before and we will see how it ends.

[@thestigisme2349]

There's going to be A LOT of crying in Russia when this war is over. Imagine the societal upheaval when the common Russian man and woman realize their government has been lying to them for the last 40 years! I'll have my🍿and be ready to watch the show!

[@paolagrando5079]

It's like religious fanatics. They will carry on believing what makes them more comfortable. Plenty of people in Russia haven't be living freely and I won't enjoy as it's getting worst.

[@vaataja]

They don't believe and don't accept that Soviet Union invaded and occupied the Baltic states for 45 years, they also will not believe and accept that they were the baddies, not Ukrainians and the West.

[@nikolayew]

They won’t believe it. They will think the whole world is against them

[@denisk8490]

Come to Russia and tell me or yourself that there's no freedom here. You all know nothing, but have a huge opinion, speaking ill of Russia, claiming it's dangerous and lacks freedom. What's in your head? Water?

[@Thelostgoldhunters]

@@denisk8490 That's what is in your head tovarish, that and soap. I live in russia and all I see is the freedom to be poor and to work for kopeks.

[@LizardSpork]

The world must never forget that in its heart, Russia will always think of itself as an empire regardless of the label it has on at the moment.

[@okpta763]

Ruzzia was last an empire in the bronze age.

[@renemagritte8237]

@@okpta763 we speak about mindset, not about reality.

[@timotheusvanesch3959]

So did Germany & Germans. So did France & French. So did Great Britain & English. So?

[@vaataja]

​@@timotheusvanesch3959 And the main narrative in these countries is now "imperialism is bad, we were wrong." Now tell me what Russians think about Russian imperialism.

[@renemagritte8237]

@@timotheusvanesch3959 THey did in the past. Russia and Russian do it right now.

[@billyyank5807]

Estonia just stopped teaching anything in schools in Russian language. Good for them!

[@LouLou-wb8si]

Suggestions for additional questions on this topic. - How many died in Donbass 2014-2021 and how many of these were civilians? (Russia constantly falsifies the numbers given by the UN. 14,000 were the losses on both sides, but only 3,500 of them were civilians, civilians on both sides, also includes Girkin's downing of MH17 = 300 civilians.) - How many civilians have died during the 2022-2023 SMO compared to "bombing of Donbass" 2014-2021? (The answer is ofc much more, confirmed civilian casualties already exceed 10,000 and UN also states that the real number is probably much higher. Large part of civilian losses are from Donbass, Mariupol for example. Protecting the people of Donbass should not be a credible excuse for anyone anymore.) - Why only Donetsk and Luhansk? Also e.g. Kharkiv and Odessa are mainly Russian-speaking, Ukraine doesn't seem to oppress them and they don't seem to want to join Russia? On the contrary, it is Russia constantly bombing these cities, why bomb these Russian-speaking "Russians" who they are supposed to be saving!?! (Could it be that Ukraine has only been bombing areas where there was Russian military..?)

[@marymarlow3646]

I’ve heard an intercepted phone call from a Russian soldier who confirmed that the people of Luhansk are hostile to them.

[@LouLou-wb8si]

@@marymarlow3646 I have seen an interview of Russian volunteers working in occupied areas, where they whine how locals report Russian army bases to the AFU. They themselves don't even dare to stay overnight in the occupied Zaporizhia or Kherson regions because locals are so hostile, according to their estimate at least about 70% oppose Russia there.

[@ChrisModjeska]

Really glad there are some people like Pavel who can exercise critical thinking still.

[@christopheryellman533]

CM you may believe yourself to be a critical thinker, but I think you lack basic knowledge. For example, do you know the answers to the following questions: When did Crimea become part of the Russian empire? How long has Ukraine had its present national borders? What foreign nations gave material support for the overthrow of the Yanukovych government of Ukraine in 2014? Did US and European leaders give Russia assurances that NATO would not expand into Eastern Europe? I could go on and on. First study some history, then form your opinions.

[@robopalo8041]

@@christopheryellman533 and why does it matter? Cry,mea was not russian as Tatars lived there until 1944, when stalin deported them to Siberia and put russians there. And none of your business who is Ukraine president. As lon gas it is not russian. Nobody gave assurance to russia about NATO, That is a lie. Russia should mind own business. GTFO. Russia did not even exist 600 years ago. It was just giant swamp around moscow.

[@robopalo8041]

@@christopheryellman533 Philippines are safe as Americans protect them. Or else, russia would attack Philippines.

[@sandervdbrink84]

@@christopheryellman533 hey Putin fan, you forgot to mention the Budapest Memorandum!

[@pyatochkok223]

​​@@sandervdbrink84 😂 "критически мыслящий" человек оперирует аргументом "ты фанат Путина". В России есть хорошие клиники, приезжайте к нам😊 Крым и Донбасс просто повторяет за Косово, а Россия за НАТО. Мы братские народы

[@lillibitjohnson7293]

Not one of them mentions Russia shooting down MH17 when they invaded.

[@nicoc6387]

Who bombed Donbass for 8 years??? -Well, according to the late Evgeniy Prigozhin, it was the Russian artillery. One of many later statements that bought him a ticket on a flight to St. Peter…

[@samseptemberbiker6248]

you are right he said they were sent there to cause trouble and blame on Ukraine, i remember him saying that

[@gabor222]

I wonder how do these people imagine that Donbass was bombed for 8 years and the bombed citizens were living there in these 8 years. Not leaving, not dying there, just waiting patiently while being bombed for 8 years to get liberated. Looks very logical.

[@pyatochkok223]

More than 2 million refugees moved to Russia from Donbass from 2014 to 2022. I personally have a friend from Lugansk, since 2014 he has been living with his family in St. Petersburg. There are benefits from the state for refugees since 2014.