Who can Draft a pitching staff with the lowest ERA? (AL West Edition)

Three baseball minds compete against each other to draft a pitching staff of players and a team they played on in the AL West to try to total the most innings pitched and lowest ERA by the end of the draft.
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Featuring: Talkin' Jake, Jolly Olive, Shelfy
Hosted by: Lucas D'Aversa
Edited by: Jack Sorensen
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[@BenTheBlueGuy]

We've really gotta be nearing the holds draft now, right?

[@blank_echos]

Ahh yes the Tony Watson special

[@PHXNKVHXLIC]

Ahh yes the Octavio Dotel special

[@Riley.a_Music]

@@blank_echosgiants

[@WalkoffGrandslam]

Followed by a hit by pitch draft lol

[@nickbietz]

Sergio romo let’s gooo!!

[@MCTurner-b4t]

New game idea: reverse Immaculate Grid. The grid is filled with players, most likely the most popular that day. Then the guys have to fill in the teams/categories around the grid.

[@djbxyz]

2018 Edwin Diaz not being on here is legitimately a federal offense. 73.1 Innings pitched with a 1.96 ERA

[@laserred87]

no one ever remembers he was a mariner. Jolly probably should of though. that season is the reason why the Mets wanted him so bad lol

[@harrisonbaylor1432]

There’s someone better for the NL central. Wonder if they’ll remember him but don’t wanna say it just in case they read the comments lol.

[@wolfpackjew]

I was surprised Jolly didn't go there.

[@MattEightSix]

Was hoping Jake would just take 2011 CJ Wilson and just win this.

[@anniesymons8474]

so many good mariners left on the board! 2001 freddy garia, 2022 andres muñoz, and paul sewald, 2002 jamie moyer, and a couple others. but i love the fact that they showed love to some olds in this one. idea for the next draft: 2020 draft, all players from all teams in the year 2020 are in play

[@oswqld]

#JUSTICEFORJAKE JAKE WON THIS.

[@zeeks23]

Sitting here shouting 2013 Hisashi Iwakuma, Jolly chickened out

[@evkettel1949]

I was longing for Neftali Felix 2010 and Cole Hamels 2016 😭

[@jimmerthesimmer]

good for the intermission between the double header

[@rupertbettison6348]

Think Jolly Olive will be watching the Mets not this live

[@bryceyoungenthusiast]

It was prolly pre recorddex

[@Carlos-uf8so]

Jake actually said 2011 C.J Wilson

[@graybeardgaming414]

Jake should've won. 😂

[@JDawg12329]

I hate to be that guy, but as someone with a degree in statistics, I feel qualified to give an opinion on the score calculator. The problem is that ERA and innings pitched do not have a normalized scale. by dividing ERA by innings, you artificially inflate the importance of ERA because the deviation(scale adjusted) is much higher. What I mean by this is that a (non-injured) starting pitcher is going to throw anywhere from 150-230 innings, meaning that the lowest of the low is only about 65% of the highest possible innings. For relievers, the gap is even smaller. On the other hand, It is totally reasonable to get ERAs from anywhere to 1.75-4.50, a much larger gap respectively. You should normalize the scale of the two by taking the average ERA and Innings for each of the three teams. Then, for ERA, since lower is better, take this average and subtract by each individual team's ERA, then divide by Standard deviation of the ERAs. This will create a scale where 0 is the average, and a higher number means a lower ERA. Then, you can do the same thing with innings, but this time, take the individual innings and subtract the overall mean innings, again making a scale where 0 is average and a higher number means more innings. Since both numbers have the same scale, you can add the two together and the higher number is the better number. If you wanted to weight ERA more than innings as this is an ERA draft, you could multiply whatever weighting you wanted to make it more aligned(eg. if you wanted ERA to account for 60% of the score and innings 40%, then you would multiply the ERA portion by 0.6, and innings by 0.4), Just some food for thought

[@JDawg12329]

For context, Using my formula, Jake moves to second place in front of Jolly

[@mse326]

I mean if they really wanted a true ERA they should just track earned runs and IP and then get a team ERA. If they wanted to weight they can just do it to those numbers. Wouldn't need to normalize anything.

[@JDawg12329]

@@mse326 the problem with this is that innings doesn’t matter at all. In theory I could take guys with super low ERAs regardless of innings pitched and then my era would be super low but have like 200 innings.

[@miami_glory_days2438]

@@JDawg12329 it is techincally just an ERA draft, not best pitchers draft, maybe you put some qualifiers like 150+ innings for starters, but it should just be lowest ERA imo, because its an ERA draft

[@the51geese38]

There is some tension between Jolly and Daulton, I feel it!

[@bryceyoungenthusiast]

Dalton*

[@kylen6430]

You mean…sexual?

[@barrettbombs2466]

How did you post this during the Mets Braves double header

[@Zo3yX]

It's not live...

[@barrettbombs2466]

@@Zo3yX Ik

[@Simba65315]

Scheduled upload

[@barrettbombs2466]

@@Simba65315 Ik but sometimes they change when they go out if there’s something going on

[@wolfpackjew]

I still don't understand why the scoring isn't actual accumulated ERA. Each drafted pitcher's combined earned runs allowed over combined innings pitched, multiplied by 9.

[@lilsleepy3332]

shouldn't the formula just be total earned runs over innings pitched divided by 9? like the way ERA is actually calculated?

[@harrisonalexander6203]

The Rangers picks were painful. All of the best ones were left on the board.

[@nadavfeibish9950]

2022 Martin Perez was a 2.89 ERA, with 190+ innings, don't know how he wasn't selected, came to my head immediately

[@benhaber8648]

Some nostalgic Oakland A's - Andrew Bailey ROTY 2009 and Justin Duchscherer 2008 both had great years And I imagine Gio had some good early years as well Great draft, really enjoyed watching

[@GotJahs]

My crazy pull was 2007 JJ Putz. 70IP with 1.38ERA

[@nwj03a]

I mean it is the ERA draft, not the IP draft. We gonna worry about walks in the K draft?

[@BrendanMcKeown-qm9gb]

Crazy how Ohtani is on the thumbnail of the ERA Draft and the Hits Draft

[@bimbamboom630]

“You’re what was wrong” 😂😂😂😂 I was dying so hard haha. “Let’s push those L’s” LMAO

[@marcoromo5724]

For some reason I was screaming Cliff Lee in 2010 to Jake. Don’t know if that wins him the game but it would’ve been a great way to win

[@aschmidty11]

Felix should be the number one for value because the Tigers probably have more good years than the Mariners do overall

[@digbickb0i809]

As a die hard Angel fan since 2000…I still can’t believe Colon won that Cy in 2005. Wins are so dumb and so were the voters. 😂

[@bug_catcher]

Lucas must've heard me saying 2003 Moulder.

[@Redsox4444443]

Well, Jake tried to stretch the rules, and the rubber band came back and smacked him in the face. Such is life.

[@mattahlschlager7117]

What's wrong with 1974 Nolan Ryan? Was this 2k+ only? :P

[@Cabaret43]

That line about the Mets by Jake is funnier after the wild win they just had over the Braves in game 1 of the double header

[@stevencamacho6474]

havent finished yet but im guessing 2021 casey sadler has once again been snubbed

[@brentb2228]

Im a little disappointed no one had 2011 CJ Wilson in their bag for the rangers

[@murphythedog789]

I thought someone would take CJ Wilson for the Rangers.

[@jenek9344]

Cole Hamels 2016 was an underappreciated Texas season

[@Fredzeppelin15]

Surprised no one took 2018 Edwin Diaz

[@twincitiesmetrodashcam]

If Jake picked 2011 CJ Wilson he wouldve been a lot better off lol

[@peterskrobola8753]

How about an errors draft? Why positive stats only?

[@tristanmoody8464]

Jake should win it's not even a debate. it's an era drafts guys

[@cflow2013]

jake going full trump hands at the end is peak comedy

[@rorogonzo7867]

Marienrs JJ putz 07 Fernando Rodney 😅

[@nicksturiale5429]

Jolly Dropping this along with the Mets is amazing timing

[@dmoneyyy1863]

Nobody said 2018 Edwin Diaz???

[@ahol9120]

Love Jake rocking the pitching ninja shirt!

[@deagan__]

Just came from the Mets stream. Congrats Jolly

[@kyleetasker1701]

Shoutout to Shelfy’s 6 year old airport beer

[@shaymerten173]

No Hamels or Feliz made my rangers heart cry

[@rorogonzo7867]

2005 rangers Kevin milwood

[@chaley718]

Shelfy sucks and does not know ball

[@leibmenter2331]

“Lets be a Mets fan and hit those Ls” is diabolical 😂

[@dabconns]

2.12?! Jake won. It’s an ERA draft not an innings pitched draft.

[@insomnia8295]

Caught stealing draft when?

[@zuesx21]

I loved Jakes pick to try and win!

[@moiseslara9160]

not one person mentioned C.J Wilson

[@YungBadge88]

Man Jake bodied Jolly 😂

[@brianontiveros-kersch2412]

How the hell did no one take Liam Hendriks from the A's?

[@oswqld]

Or 2018 Edwin Diaz

[@noahrodriguez8893]

Jered weaver 2011

[@jamesradeljr3486]

Jake won

[@Ben-rq5re]

Jak wuz rubbd

[@CoryBrunnemann]

Ryne Stanek 2022

[@justinbernardino5118]

*draws P*

[@canes8195]

Jake won

[@timothybrown5999]

The innings pitched caveat is kinda dumb. This should just be best ERA, with IP only being the tie breaker.

[@TheBrandonmac]

If you did that, you'd have to have some sort of threshold to not be dumb. And probably exclude 2020. I think this makes more sense than constantly disqualifying picks that have sub 180 IP or something.

[@timothybrown5999]

@@TheBrandonmac an innings threshold is fine, but this is an ERA competition. It would be like saying the guy who had the second highest RBI wins because his batters had the most at bats.

[@JustineSchneider-d1x]

First

[@brianontiveros-kersch2412]

Mets didn't hit that L today!

[@jakehobby3477]

Not yet hopefully they do for next game

[@gniklaw1]

I don’t like the format you change this to. The original which had minimum innings for both starters and relievers was ideal. Now the formula is way too complicated to actually track whether someone is doing well or not.

[@kevinhirtle9754]

Finally no Ryan dudes toxic af

[@matthewehrlich5157]

Fuck Off Kevin go be home alone

[@Cpmac]

No ryan hate is allowed here

[@ItsCrawdaddy]

sounds like someone's a rockies fan lol