Who Created the Alien / Xenomorph? David or the Engineers / Fake Script Analysis

[@JoesGeekShow]

I for one have always loved the idea provided in the comics that the Xenomorph's are an alien race from a specific planet where the environment is harsh and they are also not the apex predator with other alien creatures that are just as deadly. As well as the red Xenomorph's which I've always loved along with the Queen Mother. The whole they were created process I've always hated because I think what was meant to expand the lore makes it feel small. I believe theres more value in simplicity of their origin rather than complexity. And that simplicity is they simply are.

[@StefSis]

Thank you for this. You have restored my faith in the prequels. I always hated the fact that David created the alien, and I personally never believed it. He simply just reverse engineered what the Engineers did. Awesome that you agree and have explained it with these examples! Lovely. Simply lovely done.

[@Bee-tj8gc]

The first alien vs predator is based on a modern earth setting. It's supposed to be the year like 2000 in that movie. 300 years before David had made the in alien reserected? It makes no sense

[@freedomwriter9688]

@@Bee-tj8gc pretty sure the avp films are only canon to the predators universe, alines universe it’s it own thing

[@jonathanlisowski5618]

@@Bee-tj8gc AVP is not cannon to Ridley Scott. He has stated in interviews his dislike of those films.

[@Zramy]

Get over it. He did and Ridley confirmed it. The alien was clearly different before. David created the alien we know today because of the experiments and modifications that he made. 😂 Therefore he created it.

[@vermis8344]

I didn't like the explanations in Covenant at all. The xenomorphs being a creation of a human-built robot just shrinks the universe right down. It spoils the aliens as a representation of the wide, unknown, uncaring, Lovecraftian universe out there; vast and strange to a terrifying degree, at a point when we've started think of it as business-as-usual, with a crew of grubby interstellar truckers. And then we find out the xenomorph is little more than, I dunno, a mouse with a human ear implanted on it's back. Or a cloned sheep. Groundbreaking stuff, but in this context made mundane by being the result of trial-and-error tinkering by a near-future earth being with a petty grudge. A pale shadow of Doctor Frankenstein, filled with bionics and milk. Any tiny bit of wiggle room we have to negate that, I'm gonna latch onto. Thanks for letting us know about it! I don't think the just-yesterday creation of a strain of xenomorphs, fits in with the original film either. The Nostromo crew encounter an ancient ship, with a near-fossilised pilot. They've been there a _long_ time. As long, or longer, than the Engineer mission to wipe out earth life, 2,000 years ago. If I could modify what what laid out in the video, I'd prefer to think that David simply struggled to recreate what the Engineers/Jockeys had accomplished eons ago: 'proper', recognisable xenomorphs, or the established xenomorph life cycle. We've seen variants in Prometheus and Covenant: the Head Room carving; the squid-hugger and protomorph; the neomorph. I think those could be explained away, not as 'pre-xenomorphs', but as the results of different infection methods, life cycles, and hosts. Prometheus, for example: rather than ovomorph > facehugger > human host > xenomorph, we've got goo-infected human > impregnation > squidhugger > engineer host > protomorph. And if the Nostromo had run across a ship full of puffball funguses, maybe they'd be trying to rescue Jonesy from a rampaging neomorph. That the engineers' xenomorphs from Alien and Aliens turn out so similar to David's xenomorphs, would then be because they stick to that 'classic' ovomorph > human host life cycle. Not sure I like the prospect of the black goo as an AI, as opposed to a complex mutagen or some retroviral agent. What form does it take? Mechanical nanotech, or something else? Still, it doesn't bother me as much as the story-based flubs of the last film.

[@scifiexplained]

Good points! I don't really see the deacon, neos, and proto as pre xenos, although they may have been steps in creating an end goal. Almost like they are in the same family, but not the same thing. I also think that the age of the "fossilized" jockey can't be taken too seriously, it was after all said by Dallas, a pilot with no real science background, especially when making comments about a race of aliens never seen or studied. If you take this away, it just means that it looked old, however, scott made the engineer suits in the prequels look too clean, making the jockey in alien look old....I wish Scott didn't have design consistancies in the original more giger films, and the prequels that pulled back on the design, making things not line up correctly. I also have a theory that the goo contains both organic substance and A.I., so who knows whats in their beyond what nanomachines were added in by the engineers or whoever made the stuff.

[@tonywilliamson-bruscaglia3070]

Warren JB great comment, mate. You hit the nail on the head with how it shrinks the universe. One thing that expands it again though, I’ve been thinking, is the idea that the Protomorph is basically a poor copy of something much more terrible. They had Andy Serkis do the movements for the creature in Covenant, and I found the monkey, almost pre human movements completely off from the original’s serpentine depiction, and was ultimately quite stupid where the original had a creepy, underlying intelligence, almost to the point where it knew what Ripley was doing. Scott has David as a metaphor for the Devil with his religious themes, like the Protomorph is a warp of God’s creation, (which is man in his symbolism, given by the ape like movement) but I feel the original Alien was the real Devil in the story, because of this intelligence and cunning David can’t copy, and David is really just failing to replicate it. It screams to me Pepsi when the original is Coke, so I really feel that thing the Nostromo found was something else entirely.

[@guyprieto1593]

Isn't the aliens really just a representation of human beings and that possibly humans are this destructive weapon that a being created out of sheer malevolence.

[@lonniesheppard2774]

I always thought the Xenomorphs were an ancient extinct alien race

[@byproductofcheese]

Same it made them more cool that way

[@thecoffeemainiak5400]

@Lauren Anderson while I agree that the original idea was better, the space jockey and engineer's are the same size the only reason they don't appear to be it because Ridley prefers a physical actor rather than cgi.

[@Jeffrey314159]

In some comic book or fanfiction the xenomorphs first appeared half a billion years ago, then died out. Another version has them with their native planet and natural predators of their own

[@Bee-tj8gc]

The first alien vs predator is contradictory to the entire David story since it takes place in modern day like year 2005 earth setting

[@IamPEELYjjaffa]

They are except the extinct

[@sarahpusey9052]

I am so glad that researched this episode of "Who created the Xenomorph? I remember the script that Kroft did. I never knew it was a fake! Thank you for revealing that to us!!!!

[@elguinolo7358]

The xenomorph seems to be popping out of pretty much any situation, in quite similar forms, so it seems to be an inevitable occurence when black goo is involved. Therefore, who created the black goo also created the xenomorphs.

[@helenwaldeck185]

I would be much happier knowing that the Xenos were a creation of nature and that David just tinkered with their design

[@GDeNofa]

I like this! The concept that the alien was manifested in some unknown way by the engineers. And it’s David who enhanced its durability by giving it the bio mechanical carapace and teeth.

[@00Boogie]

I got mixed feelings on how David creating the Xenomorphs would simultaneously be the worst and best reveal. Why the worst should be clear, but the best coming from the idea there's this chain of creation. The Engineers create humans, who are not as majestic as their creators but are varied and wildly imaginative. Humans create androids, who lack a certain spark but can retain more information and are much sturdier. The David creates the Xenomorphs, a ravenous perversion of life which could consume all life in the galaxy. And he brings about such horrors because he's so much like his own human creators.

[@EpoxyMuffin]

David just opened Pandora's Box by tampering with an ancient powerful thing. We see a depiction of a Xenomorph on the wall in Prometheus, so David couldn't have created the Xenomorphs, only ressurected them.

[@mrkitcatt2119]

Plus the jockey ship in the first film has been there for millions of years with evidence of a chest burster

[@trollzynisaacjohan1793]

@@mrkitcatt2119 In the novel about Hadley's hope (forget its name) the parents of newt find fossilized xenomorph corpses.

[@mrkitcatt2119]

@@trollzynisaacjohan1793 exactly

[@Jay-xs2qp]

@@thomaswalker8621 prometheus and covenant are prequels dude.

[@Jay-xs2qp]

@@thomaswalker8621 No it doesn't look it up.

[@echo4533]

I have a question as well. If David just modified the xeno type alien and created the ovomorph(the egg) then how did Ripley find the crashed juggernaut in Alien (1979) filled with ovomorphs that supposedly crashed millenials ago?

[@noelhutchins7366]

That mural is black goo; the mural is also a fractal from chest-burster progression to queen: the black goo mural is potentially the controll node for the genetic rewrite at the hands of the goo, equally likely is that a queen is suspended in a state of dormancy behind a mass of black goo matterial in the shape of a wall.

[@etabiansosin]

Maybe you can make a fan film about the creation of the first alien and the origins of the xenomorphs. you can make those films better than the prequels.

[@chaz9808]

Seems much more interesting to have the engineers do it instead of David

[@marstrooper2045]

Rather the Xenomorph be a natural creature not created by the engineers or david. The Engineers probably came across it and tried to domesticate and weaponized it. Just makes the alien universe really small if the engineers or David created the xenomorph. Better it came off natural selection makes the alien universe more massive and unique. I just hate the whole engineers concept to begin with. Like the spacejockey just be another species that ran into the xenomorph. Be interested to know what the first xenomorph specie looked like, be totally different. With the xenomorphs taking shape with it's host. Totally different probably unrecognizable.

[@Optimegatrongodzilla]

It wouldn't be unrecognizable, because xenomorphs are not hybrid creatures, but creatures that take on certain traits of the lifeforms that they are born from. No matter what kind of being a xenomorph gets born from, it will still be recognizable as a xenomorph. So, for example, yautja(Predator)-born xenomorphs are not part yautja(Predator), but just simply xenomorphs.

[@edvardcxoi7426]

Very much appreciate the videos you make, Scifi. Thanks for letting me share strong opinions on the Alien films as well. I apologize if I sounded rude. I really did not intend any rudeness. I had forgotten about the total transmission

[@scifiexplained]

No prob, didn't see the comment anyway. This franchise has alot of unknown to it, so you have to open to other possiblities in my opinion..

[@sarahpusey9052]

I remember watching your very first video on this topic!! I like to believe that the Xenomorph was created either from the Engineer's theory probably first. My favorite second theory of where the Xenomorph came from is that it has been around for a very long time, may through natural selection on some distant world many light year's from Earth. You did a 3 part video on the Aliens Dark Horse Comics "Genocide". where the story goes to the Xenomorph's home world, and there are two competing Xenomorph hives fighting to the death. --- Loved that video too by the way, it's one of my favorite videos of yours Howitzer! But that is my take, either the Engineer's created the Xenomorph or nature did.

[@S-T-E-V-E]

LOST, Alien, GOT what a resume' lol Good Luck Star Wars!

[@justing7490]

In reality, it was just a combination of a director / producer that couldn't be bothered to pay attention to continuity and a special effects lead that was a fanboy of Geiger and wanted to put as many homages as he could into the mural, continuity be damned.

[@Needabikewithstabilizers]

Just to say I love how you explain that but I think keeping this whole thing a mystery is the best way to go about it

[@KristopherPrime]

No matter what Ridley Scott might say, David did NOT create thr xenomorph. But, the creator/creation storyline in covenant can still work from the interpretation he simply pulled a Jurassic park. Study the roots and make your own version/revival. Explain the black goo as a virulent substance that is highly adaptable. Hence the many xenomorph variants (predalien, runner, newborn, deacon, neomorph, etc.) without being creatively limited by natural animal functions/life cycles.

[@qvalue9982]

What came first... The Alien or the Engineer? A question for the ages. We better find out if/when there's a 3rd film!

[@yw1971]

Or better, kill Ridley Scott...

[@qvalue9982]

@@yw1971 a bit extreme, Ridley is a genius and Promethius was a masterpiece. I just wish I could get in his ear on how to complete the third film a lead up to Alien.

[@Untoldtruth_01]

Love H.R. giger artwork ,very dark and without color makes it all the more interesting....

[@johnwolffe9590]

David didn't create the original Xenomorphs,and the Engineers possibly didn't either.

[@vd49er510]

I thought the leaked prometheus script was legit for the last year+. Thanks for clearing it up 👍🏽

[@scifiexplained]

The Jon Spaights drafts before Lindelhof are a good read, you can see those at the avpgalaxy site.

[@vd49er510]

@@scifiexplained I will check them out. Thank you sir!

[@gavinp5940]

That mural looks exactly like the armor that david walked passed. Pretty sure it’s just an armored engineer. That also probably gave david a lot of ideas on what he wanted from his creation.

[@ericstaples7220]

David created the Xenomorphs 10-15 years before the first Alien movie, yet somehow there was a fossilized Engineer ship they found in Alien with eggs on board.

[@henrikschmidt3964]

Ridley Scott should be removed from the franchise. He messed up Prometheus so bad, that I have yet to take the time to watch Covenant. Prometheus was such a fail, it actually made me like the original film less. I so wish I could somehow make it undone.

[@עידולם]

Fuck yea

[@manzanares9754]

Clearly not enough for you to stop caring about the origin of the alien, and to be looking up videos in your free time about it.

[@petesandwich3246]

100% I try and pretend Prometheus and Covenant didn’t happen. I just watch it as it was originally intended by the writers and concept artists(Ridley Scott was just the director so it’s not his story) where the Alien is an actual alien and the space jockey has nothing to do with humanity. The universe is unimaginably huge, we are just a part of it not the center

[@erikrodriguez3829]

The eggs in the detailed were too old. The chest burster from the engineer too old. David had nothing to do with it.

[@firstendo]

The biggest question, what we're the engineers running from in prometheus 🤔

[@sandrahall1867]

Each other, the infected...

[@bagsikdangal]

Deacons. But not like the Deacon at the end of the Prometheus film. The screech(although it's a bit hard to hear) in that hologram sounds a bit like that of the Deacon. You can say it might be the original Deacon in that mural.

[@lorrewatkins5925]

Thanks again man for these great alien vid's !

[@bulgarian84]

this big thing in the chair in Alien 79 its called Space Jokey, one of them find the black goo on uncknown planet with destroyed civilization, he take a sample of the goo and mark the planet "verry dangerous" i guess this is start of the xeno ....but still , who made it the goo ??

[@thechosenones4375]

I appreciate you trying to give us hope that the aliens are just aliens, and not Magneto's creations lol

[@MixxedMonster]

Is it me or does the Xeno in the mural have a head Crest like a queen? Or is that just background designs?

[@scifiexplained]

It does! it was hard to see in the film, but in the lit up image I have here it does. I have a whole video on this thing on the channel that goes into that more.

[@noelhutchins7366]

remember Critters? I'm envisioning a chance meeting of Crites upon an alien infested situation; a face hugger latches onto a critter, minute preforations melt teeth blunting them. Both creatures are scary but critters are slapstick which I love doing to the Aliens' edge lord ambience.

[@noelhutchins7366]

david is regurgitating smol xenos from his own synthetic body, they're stunted cysts with a fragile alien central like a yolk: whatever he's making is unique in reaction to having no biological calorific values to form from; thus his xeno will be a unique strain apart.

[@wartooth88]

I believe the Drukathi were the first species to discover the xenomorph millennia ago.

[@MrSlanderer]

I didn’t realize Yautja were called that (I had to look it up).

[@wartooth88]

@@MrSlanderer actually the Drukathi were a different species discovered by The Rage in Rage War trilogy. Also they appeared in Alien Out of the Shadows.

[@MrSlanderer]

wartooth 88 My mistake; I was seeing completely unrelated images. This sounds right up my alley. Thanks for the references. Will have to check it out; anything related to the Xenomorph interests me, and I find new comics all the time that escaped the Omnibus collections.

[@wartooth88]

@@MrSlanderer The Rage War trilogy and Out of the Shadows audio dramas pop up on youtube....they're good enough that I listened to them twice.

[@MrSlanderer]

Oh, it’s the latest in the AVP comics. No wonder I haven’t heard!

[@jonathanlisowski5618]

The script in Kroft's video is news to me. Wow!

[@umwha]

Thanks. Yes, I felt it was a terrible narrative idea for David to be the one to make the iconic Xenomorph, like 50 years before the iconic first movie. The Xenomorph should be much older, created under much more mysterious circumstances. Sure, the origins of the general 'Xeno' type alien remain a mystery ... but the general Xeno-types arent iconic. I dont even understand their life cycle, or understand their default appearence. Theres basically no hint about where the Xeno-type came from.

[@allenwood9967]

Alan dean foster did a decent job of the books but there was parts that was lacking such as the deaths of the crew in his Alien book.

[@hellrza6832]

Alien Apocalypse showed that the Xenos & the Derelict on LV-426 had been there approx 3 Billion years before David8 was even a bad idea.

[@allenwood9967]

The space jockey's should have looked the way they did in the first film, in covenant they was too close to human in terms of features.

[@jugg3rnog]

do a whole video on the fake script >:)

[@scifiexplained]

I've wanted to for a long time!

[@edvardcxoi7426]

Great point about the two universe taxa between the books and films

[@scifiexplained]

I always had the films in their own canon to me. But seeing that Alan Dean Foster quote when doing research really made me realize that they are different in subtle and not so subtle ways.

[@kingarchreapagon4403]

So in the newer later movies it's a separate canon universe and the comic/graphic/ novels is a separate canon universe. I'm saying they fit in some way but each is a separate universe

[@kimberlystevens3535]

Alien- to be outside of the normal. We created our own outsiders. We said we were human and alien. When you create sides you are forced to choose one or the other. An ultimatum given- a choice made. Who created it all? 🦋

[@kimberlystevens3535]

And what does he want, who could possibly deny?

[@Untoldtruth_01]

Never was a big fan of the original aliens ,I always thought to myself how a creature like the alien could pilot a ship ,always loved prometheus and covenant once the engineers came into the picture just made it all the more interesting ,thanks for the video 📹 😀 👍

[@Salena905]

Maybe some were made different so they were capable of controlling a ship. ?

[@RoyleVegeta]

Check the timeline out, I. alien and covenant there like 25 to 35 years apart, but everything in Alien state that there was about 1000+ years worth of dust on the eggs.

[@trisF1981]

The fact they had the deacon mural implies they encountered it etc

[@lichslayer0045]

Ugh that would be nether the Engineer and especially David. The movie was just a Canon breaker. The Aliens were found on there homeworld and utilized in weapons war by the Engineers.

[@JiiWoon]

from what i gathered the Engineers used their black liquid to create bio weapons lifeforms because they weren't satisfied with their creation (The Humans) But couple of small worms accidentally caught some of the liquid turning them into boi weapons ending up killing the Engineers . decades later David 8 found the black liquid and studied it's abilities then began experimenting on (Human) hosts which eventually created the first xenomorph

[@daisyduck8593]

AvP (present time line) is still plausible if Predators also have the black glu and doing the same (creation way) as david did...

[@trisF1981]

The Problem with Covenant is how can David continue his work because he only has face huggers not black goo.

[@natsu2010]

Have the strong feeling it can't be David that was first. As in Alien vs Preditor seem to be long before promethius.

[@Salena905]

I think David created the Aliens we know of , but maybe the Engineers were the ones who found the aliens in it's original form and tried like David to manipulate it into another form, but it became unstable and killed the Engineers.

[@angkoldcolo8340]

I believe because I already see the xenomorph in island just a glance.

[@Wolverine6877]

The enginners created the Xenomorph centries ago. David created a subspecies.

[@olivercosmicwolf756]

Do you think the engineers created xenomporphs that were far more violent dangerous and destructive then the ones that David created

[@1Peace]

When you think about it, Dr. Shaw's arbitrary decision to take the "Juggernaut" ship to Planet 4, instead of returning to Earth and reporting her findings on Moon LV-223 should be considered the most dangerous and diabolically reckless decision in the History of Man/Womankind.

[@bubbastevegarcia2459]

Good shit bro! Just found your channel! Subbed

[@scifiexplained]

Welcome, hope you enjoy the content!

[@MF-kv8cn]

in Alien 1979 where did the distress signal come from the Nosttromo detected on LV-426?

[@scifiexplained]

The derelict ship on lv426. The space jockey set it off as a warning to stay away.

[@andreejagger5093]

For all we know the engineers and David made their own variant of the xenomorphs

[@benvectorgames]

I think it was the engineer because the xenomorph from planet 4 known as the protomorph or praetomorphpraetomorph and they are not the same species as the xenomorph but they are in the same family

[@Anythingwilldo296]

What if there’s an original race xenomorphrs who are the producers of the goo. Therefore they created the engineers, who in turn learned the power their god, the one in the mural, swimming in its own goo. The xeno is creator and the destroyer. 😎

[@Lightman0359]

Are the AVP films/games in the Prometheus continuity or are they like the Kelvin Star Trek timeline [an alternate reality]? If 1 shared AVP verse, then the Human strain of the Xenomorph was either created or domesticated by the Youcha/Predators at some point when both humans existed and Antarctica was partially ice free [since the Xeno-Temple was on ground, not glacier level]. This has to happen before David since he is a W-Y creation and the Wayland and Yutani were competitors until sometime after AVP1

[@anathardayaldar]

So the ending of the ALIEN franchise will be like the ending of LOST ? I'm getting off this train wreck.

[@jpfan4life812]

Wasn't the derelict ship on LV-426, which had XX121 eggs on it, there for millions of years? I remember it being stated in the original film that the Space Jockey (dead engineer) was fossilized.

[@scifiexplained]

Dallas said the jockey was fossilized, but to be fair, it was an unknown alien to Dallas, and he was a pilot, with no scientific training to be qualified to make that assumption. Its still the general approved idea for the jockey and ship by the fans, yet the prequels dates so far would not line up as we havent seen the ship crash there yet. The prequels arent done either, so they may make it ancient and fossilized somehow as well.

[@somehuman1901]

As the prequals are not cannon we still do not know who or how they were created. Good Lord now I know how star wars fans feel about their prequals.

[@raohdensetsu]

what about the david illustration titled "ladies" shows a female engineer with a chest burster, he saw it somewhere it already exists

[@CallOfEuropeanSpirit]

Cool video! What are the proofs that the Alien we see at the end of Covenant is really a protomorph and not the final Xenomorph? I mean, I like the idea, but what are the evidences? Was it even called a "protomorph" at some point outside of the fan community? In an official artbook or someting?

[@andyhutley2857]

I know they weren't very good overall but why are we ignoring AvP and AvP requiem? Both are set before Prometheus and covenant so David's involvement has zero bearing on the current xenomorph in alien, they are the same kind as both alien and aliens. Yes I'm focusing only on the films here, I haven't read any of the written content

[@1fulsniperlegend]

That is what I hated about covenant, where David made the xenomorphs I felt ruined the film or it did for me at least

[@Reprodestruxion]

The deacon was the original intelligent specimen whose blood inspired the engineers’ dna splicing

[@scifiexplained]

The deacon wasn't around yet. The deacon is a one off from a very complicated process involing human sex, infected sperm, etc. that likely hasn't been done before...that blood of the deacon stuff is from the fake scripts. it wasn't even a deacon in the early drafts, it was an ultramorph.

[@bagsikdangal]

@@scifiexplained He maybe talking about the mural. Not to.mention that ominous screech, where the Engineers are running, sounds similar to the Deacon. The Deacon at the end of Prometheus, could be regarded as artificial.

[@bambino100011]

You never know, David might be “engineering” a way that created the Xenomorph with that Bio Mechanical looking body which kind of looks similar to the Engineer......but then again, the Deacon didn’t have a bio mechanical looking exo skeleton...

[@mrkitcatt2119]

Can't have

[@Kai-oz2te]

please make vid abaut this fake script

[@IVIORGMAN]

You see a disc shaped space ship leave when the engineer uses the black goo. The engineer that used the black goo should be the one at the end and he reanimated with that skin/suit. I wanna think that the black goo is what the hive is made of possibly, also for Scott to say that David made the Xeno’s is very very stupid lol

[@saidakhu]

Thank you so much for calling out this fake script for the fake that it is. Some information you might not be aware of: back in the days before Prometheus was released, a fan calling himself 'nineinchwonder' produced an entire fake script based on the trailer, writing up the trailer scenes and filling in the rest with his own imagination. (It fooled aintitcool somehow.) That fake has a lot in common with this one, such as the use of 'illuminous' and cheesy movie callbacks, e.g. David doing the Titanic 'I'm the king of the world' in this one and 'follow the yellow brick road' in the first fake. My favourite line of all from this fake script is on the third page - the Engineer's 'MAGESTIC pure shite face'. Pure shite. Seriously.

[@saidakhu]

Here's a link to Damon Lindelof personally calling out the 'Draft 17' script as a fake.

[@saidakhu]

oops forgot link: web.archive.org/web/20130423235506/www.prometheus2-movie.com/news/384

[@saidakhu]

ok I guess KZbin doesn't like links. If you check the Wayback Machine and look at the old prometheus2 movie site for May 13, you can find a thread called '[UPDATED] Damon Lindelof Leaks Prometheus Script to Prometheus-Movie dot com?' It contains a screengrab of Lindelof confirming the fakeness of the 'Draft 17' script, which dialogue extracts in the comments prove is one and the same as this one.

[@scifiexplained]

thanks for the link! so sick of Kroft passing this off as real, and idiot who reads it can see its fan fiction trash.

[@byproductofcheese]

It sucks that the alien's didn't just evolve into what they are but instead they have to be made by a robot or just some buff up humans that didn't have a elephant trunk. Jeez they are just running alien's at this point.

[@jamessuess418]

I think the engineers found the canisters of black goo even though it was already lifelike and experimented with it and we got the alien or they were already a race of aliens and for short terms the engineers just found them

[@StreetBeefsFighter]

Very cool, very interesting :)

[@scifiexplained]

thanks for watching!

[@StreetBeefsFighter]

@@scifiexplained no problem thankyou as always for uploading

[@Jeffrey314159]

Who created the xenomorph ALIEN? Whomever wrote the script - - whatever the plot requires. 7:31 Now you are just randomly guessing

[@mendicant2076]

Doesn’t make sense because ancient humans were used to make xenos for the predators. They existed far before David

[@Mark-pr7ug]

I still think that all of this android spawns aliens and flies a engineer ship story was a silly direction to take. For me, even the engineers appearance is wrong, they should have been more elephant like as with the space jockey.

[@59rlmccormack]

Hmm, big mystery!

[@BeverlyHighland]

In the newly released script it explains that the Engs found a Xenomorph and worshipped it because its blood had the ability to create life cuz the Engs lost their ability. When they ran out of xeno blood they tried synthesizing it, but failed, and instead made the black goo. Look closely at the beginning of Prometheus, that’s gold goo the Eng drinks

[@scifiexplained]

Thats a fake script unfortunately.

[@BeverlyHighland]

@@scifiexplained you’re thinking of the one released years ago, there’s a different one that’s legit.

[@scifiexplained]

where is it then? All of the real verified scripts are available at avpgalaxy. they debunked the blood of the deacon script by contacting its supposed writer damon lindelhof. and it had the exact same worship alien for blood, ran out, make goo story.

[@Exoneos]

Disney will hold its bear whilst making Predator, Alien and Avatar as a single cohesive Universe and Ridley Scott will be pissed lol. At the helm we will have James Cameron.

[@mikekelley2877]

I'm completely skeptical about David being the creator of the xenomorphs, there's just so many obvious connections between the xenomorphs and the engineers, despite what Ridley Scott has said, that's too hard to discount the possibility; plus it's my hope that if the engineers created xenomorphs, it'll connect the AVP films to the continuity of the prequels and thus, combine the whole alien and predator franchises together...

[@bagsikdangal]

The problem I have with the AVP films, is that they severely nerfed the Xenomorphs. Alexa killed a Xenomorph by impaling it. Yet the Xenomorph in Alien, got impaled by a harpoon and blown out of an airlock. Yet that Xeno still survived, and even inched its way back to the Narcissuss. AVPR was way worse since it portrayed the Xenomorphs being killed by modern day weapons. Even a pizza boy with a glock killed a Xenomorph with 4 shots, while Gorman emptied an entire clip and failed to kill one. Simply put, AVP films made a laughing stock with the Xenomorphs. Why would you be scared of Xenomorphs if they are easily killed by modern day weapons? It makes Ripley's _"if they(Xenomorphs) reached earth"_ statement, seemed laughable.

[@maryi685]

@@bagsikdangal I feel the same about avp films, xenos are some kind of cannon fodder now, not “perfect organism”. The scene with Predator fighting hundreds of xenos on top of pyramid is too much. IMHO no human should be a match for xeno, and 1 predator could take mb 2 xenos at once IF armed. Still loved the games and the whole idea of two universes merged.

[@marciosankt2122]

The engineers.. Because before in Prometheus appears in the wall inside the pyramid all the sequence of creation of xenomorphs.

[@Megattocs5345]

No one should take anything said by a director for granted when it comes to Hollywood. Everything is changed so often to appease interests and popularisation and I think Covenant highlights this fact - and they got it wrong. I am actually disappointed that they got trapped into another "xeno" film instead of going deeper into the Engineers, their belief systems and the exploration of the Deacon instead. What I personally find frustrating about Covenant is not that David created a xeno like alien that we know, but that the ancestral pieces of the puzzle were so quickly dismembered from the narrative in the film. The Human/Android element to the universe is so thoroughly fleshed out that they all come across so shallow now. They do not compare at all to the characters we love from the past. Anyway, just my thoughts... I have no desire to watch whatever Hollywood garbage Scott decides to churn out from the disaster that is Covenant.

[@cartoons981]

is that the conflict of human head twin wine. or 2 brain system ?

[@evanparkinson7525]

...who created the Xenomorph? ...H.R. Giger of course. Yeah, he engineered them and then tried to hide them in plain sight with a Documentary that was made to look like a film.... hence 'Alien' (1979).

[@scifiexplained]

Giger is the true father of the Alien!

[@DramaticGnat]

Wait, wait, wait, hold up! You mean to tell me this thing is probably gonna end up like LOST?!? I don't even know how to process all these feels at once, but I don't think I can put myself through that again. I rage quit LOST, and if Alien dicks with me the way LOST did, I'm out. Alien has its stupid moments that I'm willing to overlook at times, but if I gotta start doing it as often as I had to with LOST, then I'm done. Life's too short for this BS. I want at least a few of my oldest questions answered in the next movie, ffs.

[@maryi685]

I like one of the original ideas of 1979 Alien, with xenos as intelligent species. I still like to think of xenos in the movies like they are some feral descendants of higher species. Maybe engineers found their DNA and recreated them. And David recreated what engineers recreated. Meanwhile, in some far far galaxy ancient xenomorph civilization just sitting and watching the show having a good laugh.

[@crabbuckets7506]

Poor kroft 😂

[@simonriddick]

I did.

[@Khultan]

You and none of them can explain it. It went down with *DAN O BANNON.*

[@benjaminbabu8770]

If David modified the Xenomorphs, then wtf did the predators fight in the pyramids that happened thousands of years before David was created?????? Does this mean pred vs alien is not part of timeline? Thoss things were definitely xenomorphs

[@scifiexplained]

Yep, AVP is part of the Predator franchise, but not the Alien film franchise.

[@mrkitcatt2119]

David couldn't have created them as the body of the jocky in the derelict ship had been fossilised for millions of years

[@titolino73]

Is like asking who do you think made mankind ? Who knows ....

[@joseangelortiz6088]

I thought they had been long around before event of prometheus since they came out In predator films

[@joseangelortiz6088]

Predators were literally controlling and breeding Aliens for hunting game

[@josephhernandez3949]

HaHa Croft you fan boi !!!