Who Did Jesus Die For? - Atonement

[@Zumbamom]

Ok now I am more confused😀 love your videos

[@scottcoy3523]

I wholeheartedly believe he died for me.

[@Mike65809]

Yes indeed. "For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that those who live would no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose on their behalf." If Christ didn't die for all, then pagans can live for themselves?

[@edgarmorales4476]

How can Christians believe that Christ paid for our sins? Can you not see that Christ has been created to enjoy life even as we have been created to enjoy life? Christ has been created to be a blessing and blessed on earth even as we have been born to be both blessing and blessed, for this is the nature of God revealed in His creation. If you remember that "what you truly believe," is what you get, so can you not see that the belief in Christ paying our sins will bring you nothing but misery? Believe in punishment and punishment is what you will get. Believe in killing and destruction as being the right way to reach God, and that is what you will experience-killing and destruction. If you are hungry and thirsty, it is because you are turning away from God within you-within everyone. By indulging your fearful thoughts, anxieties and feelings of hopelessness, you are creating the very conditions you want to rectify. You are doing all these bad things to yourselves.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

It's been a divisive subject every since augustine brought his gnostic distinctives into the church . Read Roman's 5 : 18 with me and let's see who CHRIST died and arose for . Roman's 5 : 18 , For by the offense of one , judgement came upon ALL men unto condemnation , even so by the righteousness of ONE ( CHRIST ) the free gift came upon ALL men unto justification of life . ALL condemned , ALL offered free gift in the same passage. Seems ALL really means ALL in this passage doesn't it .

[@Rop-ur7gl5]

Jesus died .... not for salvation, but for, as it clearly states in the Bible: "the forgiveness of sins" ... and and there is a difference. (stop changing the words) Salvation is by faith, as it was for Abram it has always been - it's quite clear that God never changes. for Salvation - for those born after Jesus Death it is the RISEN Christ - not the dead one! sacrifice: old testament: to clean the temple - to make that abode acceptable for the presence of God. Though the best animal sacrifice could achieve was temporary cleansing of one building/tent. new testament: to clean the temple - to make that abode acceptable for the presence of God. Jesus death is the perfect and only sacrifice that could clean unlimited not tents - bodies, people. New Testament clearly states, we - the faithful church are the new temple (the one Jesus built in 3 days - Jesus - the cornerstone)... God (HS) can now dwell within us. (before at best it temporarily come upon.) dying on the cross - sacrifice (NOT atonement!, not ever!) - cleaning the place where God can reside. Rising, ascending & then sending the HS - that, upon believing (faith) now has a clean place to dwell - your body. In Abram's day only those with faith were saved, today - what a surprise! same-o same-o .. much changes - except God. The message is Repent AND Believe - it's TWO actions - BOTH are necessary "Repent "(accept the sacrifice) AND "Believe" (turn away from all other Gods including yourself.) "All" ... those who do and hold (persevere) BOTH. And since we suffer the consequences of taking of the tree of: *Knowledge* of Good and Evil - ALL are endowed to make that choice. .... bonus for our Calvanist friends, shalom, the above - it's right at the start of the Bible - also eliminates the "Total Depravity" doctrine.