Who had a Better Olympia Debut *Phil Heath or Martin Fitzwater?*

[@jacobbornowsky4013]

How about …. Kai Greene 4th place Olympia debut vs. Martins 4th place debut??

[@bono448]

It's insane that we have better footage of the 2008 Olympia compared to 2024, better lighting aswell

[@alexpearce4040]

In all honesty the picture are better than 08 and the HD videos are miles ahead of 08. Lighting is a different story. But you are comparing professional video from back then to a live stream video. The live stream was so bad back it 08, it didn't even exist.

[@kaleandoscope]

I mean, take a look at the Olympia Brasil show that Ramon won and check when each Classic Physique competitor entered the stage, that lighting was perfect, the shows could have that lighting the entire event.

[@wolololer]

@@alexpearce4040 this is not livestream footage

[@dontreadmyname4396]

there is something very odd about martin's arms in the front double biceps, is like the thing that happens with derek lunsford, big arms but u dont see any details

[@Tanezoner]

He actually has better detail than his last show. Give it time I’m sure Martin will improve. He’s also got short arms so that doesn’t help

[@BillyTheCheeseMonger]

His arms have improved a ton, most guys don’t have super detailed arms… it’s the exception not the norm

[@dontreadmyname4396]

idk is just odd, coleman and levrone same thing, coleman had every single damn detail and line in his arms, levrone had the same issue as derek in the front double biceps

[@Tanezoner]

@@dontreadmyname4396 genetics

[@MrTomhartsig]

​@@dontreadmyname4396 synthol

[@Lucas-hz4um]

Martin is great but Phil man... 1 in a generation type genetics

[@logangodofcandy]

Martin might have higher potential

[@rockon8174]

🙄🙄🙄🙄 synthol.

[@nemanja9275]

​@@logangodofcandydefinitely not but he is close for sure and in this era given that he is very young im sure he will win the olympia

[@kaleandoscope]

I know right

[@guillaumebillette4078]

The separation on Phil puts him above, but Martin has great potential.

[@blakehernandez388]

Martin was easily my favorite physique this Olympia, I get why he didnt win. But man he’s got IT

[@logangodofcandy]

Give him 5 years and he could be that good

[@wolololer]

@@logangodofcandy I dont know, alot of the dudes lose their lines as they get older, lets jsut hope for the better outcome

[@GearsOfCake]

4:32 that "split" you mention is simply Phil tensing his chest muscles. He didn't do it in later years, at least on his near pec.

[@johnnewell8508]

Exactly, everyone gets this to an extent when flexing, it just has to do with how shortened your chest can contract in areas. Andrew jacked comes to mind as well. The rambo comparison is off, and a brutal pec tear lol

[@Jordyrugby]

@@johnnewell8508 Kevin Levrone as well!

[@DCJayhawk57]

I've got the same shape in my pecs when I flex them, and I've never had any injuries. It's just the muscle shape during flexing.

[@housesports000]

@@johnnewell8508Ronnie would do the same thing as well, a shame he never really hit it the conventional way atleast once

[@johnnewell8508]

@@Jordyrugby Idk if kevin the best example, since he actually tore his pec though. It does show a bit more on the torn side

[@hansellmola6611]

The Gift arms and fore arms are in another level

[@forrestwhichard2862]

So glad you did this comparison. I see a lot of similarities.

[@YarivL]

If been watching every video of yours- this might be my favorite one when it comes to your commenting style and humor. Really enjoyed it, not too much, not too little👍🏻

[@DrMJC13]

Excellent video...this is by far my favorite channel!

[@TakenGTs]

I swear i love your videos lmao

[@logangodofcandy]

Martin has legend tier potential. He'll just have to earn it

[@thebodybeatdownDiTi]

When Phil hits that side chest..he goes from "its close" to...Aint no way lol..

[@luizansounds]

that side most muscular is ugly af but god damn its effective

[@str1ker_eureka]

Seriously might be the most insane side chest of any bodybuilder ever

[@unit104]

that was the pose that gave it to Phil for me too. it's really hard to beat Phil in any shot that emphasizes the arms.

[@paulcox2447]

it's one of the few poses that favors Phil in terms of distance to camera.

[@flangmasterj]

The separation and muscle clarity is on a different level from Phil.

[@lolololalala8225]

Andrew jacked to take a look at these two. A smile during your posing goes a long way. Makes it look a little like you want to be there.

[@taklampan650]

Yeah, Andrew's posing is shameful

[@Jordyrugby]

100%. Roelly Winklaar’s was awful too. Definitely makes a difference.

[@MrGeezil]

He just wasn’t in the mood at the Olympia. Compare his posing from Texas pro. He had a smile on his face.

[@Jordyrugby]

@@MrGeezil Not really. Not as he should do. It’s a bit embarrassing how he doesn’t take it more seriously to be honest, same with his training.

[@upsigned]

The muscle separation and maturity of phil is outstanding. But martin is also good with bright future

[@charlesfranklin2730]

Good show. Amazing start for Martin.

[@mattmallecoccio8378]

Lou might get angry for you not mentioning that he placed 4th to Franco and Serge. You wouldn't like Lou if he was angry. Lol 😂

[@logangodofcandy]

Stop calling him hulk

[@johnnewell8508]

Martin won one pose in the back lat spread, and decisively, but phil is winning the rest IMO. His combination of bubbly round muscle mass, and perfect muscle quality makes Phil such a stand out bodybuilder, no matter who you put him against. Many other shots are close, and obviously not known for his crazy X frame, but when you include the arms, and the facts hes pretty complete everywhere including calves, id give it to 2008 phil Its not mentioned much, but phil absolutely could have started his olympia reign earlier than he did and beat 2008 dexter. Not saying this version should have, but maybe if he posed differently in both back shots. He gained more mass there later on, but the way he posed drastically changed it as well. The way hes hitting the back lat spread is awful here, only showing off his traps. And the back double, martin is taking after the way phil was known to hit the shot, while phil hadent figured it out yet lol

[@MichaelHernandez-mv7on]

Thank you, finally someone knows. Phil in the beginning of his career didn't know how to take advantage of posing since he didn't knew what would work for him. His back lat spread was straight as opposed to leaning back how he learned later on, leaning back would give the illusion that his traps and lower back were one fused muscle. Like you stated his lower back isn't 3D because he isn't leaning back, so it doesn't have the thick lower back look. Phil knew he wasn't wide but was super defined. So he experimented with posing until he found out what works for him

[@alexaxy3328]

4:33 Wtf are you talking about? Have you ever flex your chest with your arms in that position? Because that's what it looks like. It's normal.

[@Jordyrugby]

Yeah, it was a bit of a noob take.

[@maxpowers4436]

Bro does this shit as a job and he think its s "split in the pec". Whats next look at all those split its the QUADS!!!!

[@MichaelHernandez-mv7on]

Lol Zimmer down jeez no need to wtf him. But he should already know at this point this line has to do with how Phil is flexing his muscles along with his genetics

[@mbekomthanyanambekomthanyana]

Martin will be Mr Olympia 🤞

[@jaredmuller171]

Whenever I see Phil's side chest I am absolutely just blown away. So much detail and density. Those pecs just come out from chin to abs. Best of all time for sure

[@lakerspackers11]

These phil comparisons do Martin so dirty lol

[@sadekur]

Martin holds up so well against Phil. Is this a future Mr. O?

[@PeadyPablo-zw6bm]

Martin leans a bit to much back in the BDB Pose.

[@roblockhart8410]

Way too much. He leans too far back on the front double too sometimes

[@BakerBinary]

It's a mobility issue. He and his coach Stefan talked about it before. He probably lacks external rotation in his shoulders, or thoracic extension so he has to compensate leaning back to showcase his arms better.

[@roblockhart8410]

@@BakerBinaryNaw because he doesn’t always lean back like that

[@Jsizzle6809]

Love Martin’s side chest. Very aesthetic

[@armyfirefighter]

Really like Martin a lot, but I have to give it to Phil. A couple of poses Phil is better AND Phil is quite a bit taller than Martin - and it is a bit harder for a tall man to carry the kind of shape with size and proportion that Phil did with this height. That said - Martin is only 27 and quite literally has not hit his prime years yet. By the time he reaches 30, if things go as they are, he will be top 3 consistently. Def will take a title or two or maybe be the next dominant open winner after Phil. We shall see. The time in Texas after he moved from Denver was put to good use that is for sure.

[@FluffyandDixie]

He is just to short to be Olympia. Olympia should be 180cm plus

[@armyfirefighter]

@@FluffyandDixie I would not put a height limit like that as most open bodybuilders are around 175cm. (Phil and Jay Cutler are both 175). That said, all things being equal, the judges will tend to go for the taller bodybuilder and I believe all those dominant men in the title are all 175 cm or taller. (Phil and Jay 175, Dorian 178, Ronnie and Lee are 180 and 181, and Arnold was like 188.) Some shorter winners over the years of course, but most of those considered legendary winners of Olympia are on the taller side of the average. Martin is 170 cm tall.

[@MikeG82]

it's unbelievable how much Phil improved his back after this show

[@CharmingLiveEnt]

Can I request a video comparison of Behrouz tabani vs whoever you thought he’d place next to at the Olympia ?

[@adamheeley285]

How abut Roelly Winklaar vs Derek Lunsford?

[@Guillermoreno02]

I love Martin but can someone for gods sake please mention how his right leg is very much smaller than the left? Please

[@christophercassemiro4241]

Hey Marx, you forgot about another great Olympia debut... Dorian yates. He got 2º in his first Olympia in 1991.

[@jay_no3]

Didnt Kevin Levrone place 2nd on his Olympia debut?

[@farleytokley1739]

Look at the 4arms and 5heads on these two. If Phil is 5’9” and 250lbs then Martin at 5’8” should weigh around 240lbs to be equal, so he likely needs to gain 7-8lbs to be the true heir apparent to Phil.

[@okankorad57]

phil from the side is outrageous, martin is incredible for sure though

[@KDuB9I6]

I miss the ab crunch... imagine if Derek ab crunched 2024 O instead of stretched out belly...

[@jordanfan8222]

I’d like to see a video comparing the best Olympians at each age. Which competitor had the best physique of all time at 21? Or who looked best in their 40s. Thinking of people like young Lee Priest or old Dexter Jackson

[@davidkosiba624]

Anybody knows what's up with Martin's right leg? Best seen in the front double , it is like if it has a big hole in it compared to his other leg like if the middle part was missing

[@1USF]

Phil deserved the Titel right from his Olympia debut

[@TheTracepyott]

I dunno, I just don’t see anything that special wifh Martin. His lats are very asymmetrical, so are his quads, and his arms aren’t that great either. He does have a good waste line though I will give him that and I hear he’s young so he’s def ahead of the game however, to me he looks like the avg 8-10 place Olympia competitor from the early 2000s.

[@thomascochrane6360]

That split on the pec is due to muscle mass similar to a biceps split some have it a little more than others

[@Zielu13]

Marttin vs Jay cutler 2001 next please!

[@xperience-evolution]

My Take away here is how much better the background, the lighting and the photos were. Pretty crazy Concept that it is worse 16 years later. And oh yeah: Phil smokes Martin

[@georgethabethe4265]

Crab will remain phils pose forever

[@sasisekhar5394]

1:05 martin definitely has uneven lats

[@npcfigureathletedawnirish691]

Think it might be lighting?

[@npcfigureathletedawnirish691]

is it lights?

[@danielbrizzi]

The doctor is one of a kind

[@MichaelHernandez-mv7on]

This still when Phil was training his arms like a normal bodybuilder. Later on Hany had Phil training his arms way less and focused more on back. You can see here Phil's arms to waist ratio is crazy

[@Stefan0v1]

This dude is crazy..His legs are better, his structure is better..He has a lot of potential to be the next mr O.

[@daveyadict_]

I truly believe that if Martin can put on 7-10 pounds of muscle, and keep his conditioning and small waistline, he could be the next multi time winning O

[@vivificateurveridique1420]

Kevin and wheele r both placed second to Dorian Yates. Arnold to Sergio Oliva and lee Haney took 3thd to Samir in 1983.

[@Realistic316]

i think if Phil had a wide clavicle, he would be the perfect bodybuilder lol… he was awesome 💪🏼👍🏼… and Martin’s legs from the back look like Nick’s… crazy good

[@rajamahendiran1171]

Luck favoured him on this debut...Nick out... Andrew messed up on the posing routine..if both did not happen...martin will place 6th place😅

[@elvenaguirre7803]

6th?

[@logangodofcandy]

Judges had Martin in 4th from the very start. Did he look THAT good on stage or was it politics?

[@rajamahendiran1171]

@@logangodofcandy yeah 👍

[@konev13thebeast]

Posing routine isnt judged at all. Andrew is just soft

[@rajamahendiran1171]

@@konev13thebeast really 😅😅😅...

[@greg1288]

Bro the field was much deeper in Phil’s Heyday! Also Kai had the same debut as Martin🤔

[@stephenr80]

Phil is an incarnation of a Space Marine

[@ethangilworth7891]

I reckon Martin has Phil beat in the back poses!

[@RandyLe-cb2eb]

Abdullah said martin could be the next mr oylmpia sheeesh

[@elchoppo1160]

I wish the current bodybuilding fixation with glutes and vacuum poses ends soon. The least important and visually exciting poses are carrying way too much weight currently.

[@User9bo]

Fitzwater obviously. The shape is so much better.

[@mikthe2004]

1:30 - Martin has a better lats and taper. A smaller waist. More deeply separated thighs, and more muscle overall!! Martin also has better proportions and structure. Phil has better arms, and that's about it!! But if you look at Martin's arm next to Phil's, you'll see Martin's arm actually looks pretty good in comparison? I think in this comparison of their debut's, Martin is wining almost every shot?? He just has more dense muscle, and he is so structurally superior! The only shot he's losing is perhaps the rear double, because he's leaning back too far, and it's hard to see his back. But even in that shot his shoulders dwarf Phil's! I really don't know what other people commenting here are looking at, when they are saying that Phil is winning easily?? 1:30 - there is just no way Phil is beating Martin in this pose!! Size, proportion, hardness and separation. Martin is winning every criteria!!

[@predzell4439]

As much as i love Martin and feels fresh to have a new guy well balance looking promising at his first year..Phil is just too good not that been caucasian is a disadvantage but Chest/Arms peaks is off the chart

[@Jordyrugby]

Phil Heath….its Phil Heath.

[@dontreadmyname4396]

what causes the abs squares separation?

[@luizansounds]

the abs have some band of connective tissue that create the abdominal shape, since its a genetic thing everyone has a different shape

[@logangodofcandy]

All muscles have different shapes and connective tissue. Abs just are so obvious, because of the amount of connective tissue

[@dontreadmyname4396]

i was talking about the space in the middle that is very visible in the abs and thights pose on martin, its like someone split his mid section in half lol

[@HardDisposition]

Probably from pushing food too hard. Happens to women after pregnancy

[@luizansounds]

@@dontreadmyname4396 oh it has many reasons, pushing food too hard, (ike hard disposition mentioned) but also any issues that cause stomach dilation, like intestinal issues, or anything that can make you heavily bloated, some ppl wont have it (due to their abs shape) but someone that naturally have a gap (like samsom, martin, ronnie, ryan terry, nick walker ,even phil) had that issue for the stuff from body building (pushing copious ammounts of food) and genetic predisposition from their abs shape rolley had a huge gut and didnt have that, even with a massive scar tkdr: its up to luck and the factors like food intake

[@atabeyakfidan]

Martins arms are underrated. His biceps make an illusion about it. Actuallt its not bad tho. And his triceps are good asf but he needs to change how he pose triceps. Also I think he needs to change back double b's pose too. He leaning too much back. His back is good but the pose make his back darker because of shadows. Idk maybe its because he wanna show it to judges who sit under them

[@jordanhickey9785]

Phil would be the GOAT if not for Ronnie, but Martin is so good

[@joshuaclark1930]

Fitz can bring the exact same size next year, but be drier, and get 3rd, ahead of Derek. Then take a year to get huge, and bring the conditioning again, and get 2nd place in 2026. Easy.

[@aparajithjithu]

Martin looks like stewie from family guy😂

[@BreadManNoWheat]

I wish Martin would stand up straight in the back double bi

[@dannyrod2732]

Honestly believe Nick dropped out because he didnt want to loose to Martin

[@NicksFitnessYT]

Phil could’ve easily won the O in his debut. But unfortunately they would never give it to a rookie, especially back then

[@housesports000]

I feel like people should be comparing Martin more to Branch Warren instead of Phil, Martin has a much much higher ceiling than Branch and much more prettier lines though

[@sweglord602]

How the frick do they mess up the lighting so bad? I feel like a simple black cloth backround seems to be the very best option. The Phil pictures look so much better. The lighting looks so smooth and so good. 2024 looks horrible in all the light reflections etc. maybe its the camera.. maybe it's the advertisements... not a fan

[@boxingfan2281]

Great Video as normal Some of this generation's biceps just are not very good and I dont understand why the biceps are oddly shaped and conditioned compared to the triceps.

[@Mmm-my4py]

It’s because they are filled with SEO

[@60345]

ever heard of genetics? Everybody has different muscle instertions

[@devinaxtman6171]

I love Martin. I actually had him 4th. No way was Jacked beating and with Nick out I knew he was going to be up 4th at prejudging. Did you say Diddler Phil or Fiddler Phil?

[@robertomoncada6912]

do kevin levrone 97 vs martin say the mr o

[@Chopper650]

Fitzwater takes it

[@Asianmathprofessor]

Ahahaha!!! The world's population is what currently? 8 billion? You're 1 out of 8B who would think so. 😆🤣

[@Asianmathprofessor]

The only pose Martin comes close to winning is the rear lats spread. All the others, lights out. 😆

[@justsomejusstsome8994]

​@@Asianmathprofessor BLS is close? Not close at all. Martin looks way better than Phil in the BLS in this comparison.

[@roblockhart8410]

Phil was mid pose for this video too. He wasn’t fully spread in that pick

[@leccy9901]

Martin looked amazing. Its not fair to compare him to phil, its really no comparison. Phil is a generational talent. Martin can get top 3, but hes got zero chance of doing what phil did.

[@MichaelHernandez-mv7on]

Martin is already maxed out on his frame. Phil was still progressing and wasn't maxed out. I'm sorry but no one compares to the gift, just Coleman. In the back latspread Phil isn't striking the pose like he did in later years. He isn't leaning his back, back which doesn't show his back definition the way it did in later years. Martin on the other hand is leaning his back, back. What's funny his that bodybuilders never use to never hit the back latspread like this. The back latspread was always about showing width, so the ideal way to show width in that pose is to hit it straight and not lean in any way. Phil knowingly he is narrow but detailed, he hit his Blatspread with a lean showing his traps and his lower back fusing together like one muscle group

[@Movies101-x1k]

Phil way better than Martin😊

[@toddinhali]

Phil by a large margin in all but 2 poses.

[@Haki-t9n]

Phil has zero flow from the front

[@Mc_Beefcake]

In later years yeah, but in 08 Phil has a fantastic front lat spread and hands clasped most muscular, along with a decent abs and thigh.

[@bendikklungsyr2393]

are phil's pec torn?

[@joshuaclark1930]

Fun that you misuse the word "aspect" nearly every video. You should use the correct term "regard"

[@saine414]

I rather have Martins problem in the early stage of the career. Phil had trouble with his back that he needed to fill out and so he did but that is not easy. Martin tho he already pretty much has the back already. His problems is easier to fix, some posing issues and and he only needs to fine tune and keep grinding overall, he doesn't have a body part that really lacking big, his biceps yes but I feel it's genetic

[@johnnewell8508]

Phils pecs arent torn in the side chest XD everyone gets this to an extent when flexing, it just has to do with how shortened your chest can contract in areas. Andrew jacked comes to mind as well. The rambo comparison is off, and a horrible pec tear lol

[@MrColtnutz]

No more vacuum in open!!!!

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Martin really had a complete physique and a better structure than Phil.

[@goranilievski3841]

Levrone placed 2nd in his first Mr. O

[@jackdixon1057]

After reading these comments it’s clear it’s an unpopular take, but I truly think this phil would have been smoked by Martin. Phil’s midsection loses him the front double, and the Abs and thigh right off the bat, and Martin’s legs are blowing Phil’s out of the water in every single shot. This Phil wasn’t the “gift” yet imo

[@jackdixon1057]

Phil is also too narrow whereas Martin is wide as a house.

[@omri_lifts]

Martin Detroit pro vs Martin Mr O

[@Mgpw2008]

How about Kai’s all time best vs Phil’s all time worst?

[@DhirC35]

Try not to give phil heath the win in equivalent scenarios challenge (impossible)

[@robk5745]

Martin needs to stop leaning back so much on the rear double. But i think he wins this one due to conditioning mainly.

[@wolololer]

The camera angle on phil photos are clearly lower than Martins. Thats why the sizing was dificult adn the feet dont show on pictures Besides the usual camera coment. I am big fan of Martin, but damn Phil is way too good, Phil still wins this

[@alexworm1707]

Bdb looks so much better standing tall.

[@aamirsid6684]

Why everyone is getting mad on the vacuum

[@kingmike5359]

Kevin Levrone.

[@bendikklungsyr2393]

fitzwater is way more impressive given their genetic make-ups. period,

[@CoffeeIceScream]

Boom

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Phil is so narrow from the back in 2008.

[@natepolidoro4565]

Phil's conditioning carries him I think

[@luizansounds]

phil is actually really big as well both bigger and drier than martin

[@Asianmathprofessor]

That and the superior muscle size, density and definition. 😆

[@JettSterling22]

Martin needs to stop leaning soo much in the back double