Who has the best DF2 in TEKKEN 8? | Data Comparison

[@MichaelSS]

I want more nerdy data videos 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

[@MrYourDry]

agreed, these are great!

[@aryanburnwal2371]

Yes please

[@chippzanuff495]

yes

[@blech2217]

Let's goo 😊

[@min1gun97]

one more fact about Reina df2: she can launch pauls death fist on block

[@Phurzt]

Shhhhhhh. You need to complain about her having electrics so they don't nerf the rest of her kit.

[@mosesali2868]

Dude Yoshi's df2 blew my mind, it's hitbox doesn't even look like it should hit lol

[@blacklegsanji7108]

Paul's DF2 goes under jabs iirc, which makes it really good against poke pressure.

[@Gorecatto]

Alot of Df2 goes under jabs tho

[@АлександрЛихолат-щ5э]

It is not only paul df2 specific. Every generic safe on block df2 share same properties like non launch on ducking, crush highs and jabs, mediocre range and damage output and tracking.

[@IWantToStayAtYourHouse]

Same with Lee's

[@stevefox5865]

are you new to tekken franchise? Paul's d/f. 2 is 10 times better than that of Lee,Hwoarang or Law. None of em crush highs like Paul. can crush highs at -7. hitbox and tracks is also very good. (tracks at distance due to large hitbox) ​@@Gorecatto

[@ted7799]

Really love your nerdy data videos, as well as all others, keep it up!

[@fangdu7853]

One thing need to be mentioned is that there are two types of df2. One is for whiff-punishing, and the other is for keepout. The safe ones like Paul, Asuka's are for keepout. They also have better whiff recovery frames, so they can do stuff like whiffing it and then do it again to catch people. The unsafe ones are mainly used for whiff -punishing, having better range, and recover really slowly when whiffing.

[@DoctorGray]

This is the best comparison video i have seen in ages...❤

[@fauxfirefur]

Reina's is probably also balanced around being a SSL character. Considering she's a mishima, it's very common knowledge to step her left, even at lower levels.

[@Phurzt]

When she is doing mishima stuff, sure, SSL, but generally, you want to SSR during her unique mix game (Heaven's Gate, FF2, Df1, 3+4, WR3, ect.)

[@BlindingBlackout]

Would love to see exploration of the high crushing properties !

[@nx47]

The amount of phantom range is wild lol

[@2134Leks]

MORE NERDY DATA VIDEOS PLEASE

[@Zuhaib3Akuma]

You are one of the best KZbin For Tekken guide .. ❤ Happy to see Your video Brother ❤❤

[@vernondivinepurpose8041]

If I see a lot of videos on Leroy. I will definitely subscribe...✊🏾🙌🏾🧘🏾‍♂️🔥🦸🏾‍♂️💜 I still like these videos though.

[@vernondivinepurpose8041]

I was looking forward to Leroy DF2😢...✊🏾🙌🏾🧘🏾‍♂️🔥🦸🏾‍♂️💜

[@stevendo9703]

with such a frame heavy game this is a great video

[@caCOOLdemon]

It's also nice to mention that Raven also has a unsafe mid extension to his df2 to catch crouching opponents

[@enerdgeticu]

Man super love series like this! Can we do a video with CH launchers (one for standing,one for ch low starters, and one for while standing) Example like: Yoshimitsu’s ch 2+3 flash (8-10f) Leroy’s ch b1+2 (12f) King’s ch b1,2 (12f) Or King’s ch df2,1 (13f) Bryan’s qcb1 (13f) Steve’s b1 (13f?) I know I’m missing a lot So a full list would be awesome!

[@gdshark9558]

Mishima complex for the tekken 8 science videos

[@lostdreamer50]

amazing video! I knew Lee's one sucked, but I didn't know he actually has the shortest range in the game...

[@IWantToStayAtYourHouse]

Well one good thing about Lee's df2 is its high crushing so you can use it to launch opponents when you think theyre gonna do a high. For block punish or whiff punish I use his hopkick instead or his acid stormI

[@tiagoriopereira2280]

now do the same but for hitboxes. some of these crush highs, where some of them crush only jabs, and all of them have different active frames for this evading property

[@sharma4826]

Great video!

[@Quirkee37]

Love me some nerdy data videos!

[@ejrodriguez5719]

Next one: Best Chip Damages.

[@zachsundberg4561]

Some df2s low ptofile highs better than others. Paul and Yoshi in particular darn near high crush. How safe each is on whiff is also worth looking at

[@JunTheDude32]

Paul's is by far the best because it's so evasive and safe

[@stevefox5865]

💯. Don't know how scrub one has to be, to not see this.

[@SeveredEverlastingWorldLore]

Does Lee's Down+forward 2 still crush jabs? I haven't test it out yet since I'm not the biggest T8 fan compared to previous entries.

[@UnperfectFeeling]

Cool ! Where did you get the range data?

[@dechuggs9129]

I would say paul’s df 2 is still the best since tekken 7. It has excellent whiff recovery, jab crushing and it’s range is stupidly good because most of the time they’ll be pressing into it so it can hit at range 3 at times. Similar to Bryan’s orbital having deceptive range.

[@Kykystas]

Good vid. How do you setup 2 chars mirror moves like in the end btw?

[@runecreed2265]

nice callout on all df2s tracking to the left, that's good to know

[@CosmicVoid420]

Without watching the video I am guessing the best generic safe df2 is either Paul for range and high evasion Law for tracking Yoshimitsu for range

[@JadenDaJedi]

Any chance we could get a link to that updated sidestep chart? I can’t find the one that has the rule to sidestep Hwoarang to this chest-side

[@disco_slav_98]

3:00 Asukas df2 launches crouchers and is safe no?

[@pablotheimmortal6440]

That was.... very VERY brief video

[@kinchodragonfly]

I want more nerdy data video Good Sir.

[@alfonsodaleja3702]

regarding Reina's DF2, has anyone noticed it sometimes can't launch standing opponents on hit?

[@AfroKing.]

that's cuz they're not standing. they're either crouching or whiffed a move that recovers crouching

[@kronksstronkstonks6360]

*Scoffs in Abolishing Fist*

[@Mojomanmax123]

Is Leroy’s df2 not a df2? And if not what is it?

[@hopeisinthesky]

Why you forgot Claudio on this clip?

[@ratfink2079]

Goated

[@tristanherb49]

does steves df2 track?

[@Hau5test]

Let’s go 😮

[@archangelanton]

Funny i playing Reina, but i didn't know, the Reina's df2 have so long range.

[@fauxfirefur]

She takes a full step forward for that queen bee sting

[@simoncoweII]

Personally, I’d rather have range nerfed for faster frames or safe on block…

[@xtruhumble2917]

@@simoncoweII If she had a launcher that was faster than 15 frames that would in itself be busted.

[@simoncoweII]

@@xtruhumble2917 Range nerfed though, and I said or safe on block. EWGF has good enough range anyway.

[@sown-laughter4351]

thought they said they "redid animations" its pretty disjointed for a redid anything.

[@CB66941]

Steve, a boxer, does not have a df2 launcher. Hwoarang, a taekwondo practitioner, does. Why

[@alondjeckto]

It's namco, that's why

[@apex_predator9401]

Cause hwoarang is always gonna be a bullshit chracter

[@marshawn_ing]

Sometimes things have to make no sense to be balanced Hwoarang’s df2 isn’t much of a problem and Steve would be busted if he had one

[@LibertyForAll-l3q]

Lilis is pretty good but no one ever uses it however

[@mistahkalean6777]

Leroy has best df2. Mid, safe, -6 on block +6 on hit and it hits mid.

[@srseki]

Paul and Law df2 launches opponent and safe on block

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

Steve: 🗿

[@Strash_]

"every df2 in the game tracks to left" hmmm....they might have changed it and i cant lab it right now but i swear i remember in T7 Laws df2 tracking to right and not left 🤔 One of those general tekken rules for every character and it having some exception ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Then again it woudent surprise me that much if im wrong about it

[@MishimaComplex]

Hmm I tested everyone to ss left and right after jab vs Ling, there is definitely still variation between each DF2s tracking and different characters (Jack and bears can't evade with SSR), but every DF2 except Lili and Zafina passed that test (evade with SSR, hit with SSL). Lili and Zafina's are i16 so I tested a bunch of situations - Zafina tracks in most cases, and Lilis is inconsistent but still tracks better to the left. I didn't test other situations with other characters, so it may be the case that Law's/other chars track differently at different frames/pushback ranges. You're 100% correct in that there's more nuance and definitely exceptions, but to wrap it in a simple enough way, I just put it as "every df2 tracks left". :D

[@Strash_]

@@MishimaComplex oh damn! Fair enough! I didn't expect such an nice detailed answer....Thank you very much for the info ^^ And since I already have your attention, big thank you for all the videos and I'm looking forward to the future ones

[@MishimaComplex]

@@Strash_ No worries! Thanks you too for the support 🙏

[@petkosmos]

Where is Ling and Bears, they got df2 too

[@danielzion1210]

Eddy doesn’t have launcher

[@AllenJohn]

I, also, want more nerdy videos. 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

[@Xenoxion]

Haven't watched yet but it for sure isn't Reina's. And I was right.

[@yupyuppandapuff]

Steve's is probably the best.

[@alondjeckto]

Byron.

[@mario08133]

they literally look like phantom hit

[@ryanphan7433]

Is it me or is jin’s df2 missing?

[@edgelord121]

Because it doesn't launch in any situation, it's a fundamentally different move

[@vinsagi]

You're probably thinking of WS2.

[@mibbzx1493]

Yea devil jins too, its more of a counter hir punish

[@AGX200]

Kazuya has the best one

[@NoobyNick0710]

If it were minus 10 yes but a lot of characters will wallsplat you on block

[@mibbzx1493]

Yea for sure they die if you get hit by it so taking a jab punish vs thrm losing 70% and its tradable means the reward outweighs the risk

[@stevefox5865]

​70% on CH dude. Big difference there.

[@mskiller]

That's why Reina can't launch lows.. ugh

[@lumineanwari2126]

She has a full crouch 15frame launcher for lows that can be launched

[@SHADE-EYE]

​@@lumineanwari2126 Yeah lmao that shit is so good

[@darkmadnessyeayuuh6932]

They make our lives harder with reina. Like seriously why is her Hop kick a tornado ???! It’s dumb missing out on more damage

[@lumineanwari2126]

@@darkmadnessyeayuuh6932 to be fair she's got a ewgf and a generic df2

[@marshawn_ing]

@@darkmadnessyeayuuh6932she has an electric, generic df2, 15 frame fc launcher She doesn’t really need a hopkick in the first place lol

[@Shibu_PL]

I think Yoshi has the best one. Good range and it's only -7.

[@mibbzx1493]

Nah paul’s crushes highs that shit is so broken so they can do it like twice or three times in a row if you attempt to jab punish opponent gets smoked. Jack-8 is next best cuz the range on it is ridiculous then id probably say kazuya and then leo and then yoshi but the no recovery is good about it and the safety.

[@squiddyseut6103]

@@mibbzx1493yoshis crushes jabs now too, so its better since it has higher range

[@mibbzx1493]

@@squiddyseut6103 yea im a yoshi main but i prefer his d/f 2,2 from the older tekkens its was goated

[@universedawn4202]

Paul far from best df2 now

[@abedkillani8059]

Please like the comment if you want Bandai Namco to add this move to Devil Jin

[@robby6382]

Of course lee has the worst. ; - ;

[@johnysimps1191]

MUST... CONSUME... MORE... NERDY..... DATA VIDEOS.....

[@rahadt904]

This is just generic df2s

[@TOAST-FACEKILLAH]

Fantastic didn’t know about ssr but makes sense

[@CosmicVoid420]

Law's df2 tracks both ways for some reason.