Who is Afraid of Gender? Prof. Judith Butler

In this presentation, we will discuss some of the Christian (both Catholic and Evangelical) criticisms of the concept of gender and the field of gender studies. We will first seek to understand what is meant by "gender" and then discuss what many people find controversial about the topic. Some claim it is an imperialist imposition from English and from Anglo-American urban intellectual cultures. Others say that it challenges the authority of the Church and its teaching on family and sexuality. The attack on "gender" turns out to be one of those cases in which a theoretical concept or term becomes the center for social mobilization and what we might call "a counter-movement."

[@ashleyhorn7033]

Ironic to me how beautifully the majority of academics display the virtues espoused by religion: humility, truthfulness, nonjudgment, generosity of speech, and loving kindness, and how grotesquely rare it appears to be among those who claim to be righteous by comparison... Religious people. I am a christian person, and I prefer the company of atheist academics to members of my own community, because I find them to be more christlike, and therefore much more enjoyable to participate with. In my own view, the people participating in this conversation make me love humanity and God (as the creator of them all) so much more. It's a spiritually enlightening experience to observe Prof. Butler's lovely moral character. She exudes gentleness, strength, and conviction, in equal measure. She's a treasure in this world.

[@seandalston]

I'm an atheist and anti-theist...WHY DON'T YOU PUT YOUR SANCTIMONIOUS AND PATRONISING OPINIONS OF US SOMEWHERE DARK AND PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE THAT ANY SUPERNATURAL BEING EXISTS.

[@monicadaniels784]

Speaking as an atheist, it sounds like you have your priorities straight. Thanks! Love not hate!

[@Octavian2]

They also have the same propensity to shame, guilt, and moralizing beyond a reasonable manner. They have no objective foundation for any of this. But, we are living after all, in the empty shell of a past Christian West.

[@serpentines6356]

It can go either way. More recently, I have found leftist atheists, at least online downright sickening, and totally intolerant, and hateful towards anyone who doesn't agree with them. In person, I find very nice Christians. Some Christians, and others are the only ones I see holding the line of sanity when it comes to the children, this gender bender stuff, and leftist extremism. I am wondering how you find "Academic atheists" more "Christlike"? What do you mean by "Christlike"? Are children not to be protected from adults who want to destroy their innocence, and manipulate their need for social connection, and sense of self? I suggest reading, "The emptiness of being queer", and "The kids are not alright" at unheard magazine. Men in women's sports, men in girls/women's dressing rooms, men who have raped women in women's prisons now, more children confused, unhappy in their bodies, and wanting to chop them up because of the gender bender cult, etc. No, that is certainly not "progress" in my book. Quite the opposite.

[@markrussell3428]

@@monicadaniels784 Anything that equates Butler's thinking with something to be treasured is delusional unless it means it is something to be buried. This is the foundation for confusing children. Maybe she should talk about that rather than trying to use "gender" as a tool to implement her Marxist aspirations.

[@boglarkakiss9323]

Judith Butler on youtube is easily one of the best things that has ever happened to the internet.

[@ashleyhorn7033]

This discussion demotes the rest!! Such an incredible conversation.

[@tomwhittingham1007]

I was brain washed into this at uni, took years to undo this absolutely madness

[@boglarkakiss9323]

@@tomwhittingham1007 dude, this is theory. I agree it's never wise to buy into stuff wholesale, but why don't you put on your critical thinking hat and move out of the extremes.

[@tomwhittingham1007]

@@boglarkakiss9323 a theory based on fundamental fallacy though and is pushing very hard to be accepted by everyone

[@seandalston]

Why, because she's made a major contribution towards dysphoric autogynophillic men eradicating sex based rights which endangers Women?

[@scottfrench3207]

Prof., you just reacquainted me with thought. I thank you for juris consideration in a current concert. We too often are guided by perspectives of the past.

[@sunshinedenney8695]

Thank you ❤️

[@javednaqi]

Thanks for organising and sharing the informative and thought provoking session on Gender. I appreciate and second the arguments made by Anna Karthika in her well articulated and best argued presentation. Hope to have more session on the subject from Anna and other presenters.

[@stephendasilva8679]

Impressed and moved by Butler's effort to be accessible to make a concrete political intervention.

[@serpentines6356]

I am not impressed. So much sickening stuff coming from these people being pushed on children! I will not comply!

[@mutantfaith508]

Freedom through education, thank you Judith Butler

[@markrussell3428]

What aspect of gender theory provides freedom, IT is a theory which demand conformity to an ideology. There is no free thought or free thinking. Gender tells you what to think - not how to think.

[@francescocerasuolo4064]

@@markrussell3428no it doesnt? lol you tell people how they should behave and look like.

[@markrussell3428]

@@francescocerasuolo4064 a person's individual personality and how they interpret the world (environment) drives behaviour. Gender?? A false construct created by theorist which is now out of control given it has created a false and confused message regarding a biological determinate and someone's psychosocial emotions and feelings. Feeling you can warp and distort, it's call indoctrination, we see it happening with children wanting to grow up and have body parts harvested. I hope that clarifies.

[@cancelled_user]

@@francescocerasuolo4064 He is right though. Just look what happened to Kathleen Stock.

[@nigelfrench8894]

Anti gender ideology movement mentioned by Judith. When did biology and evolution become a movement?

[@dechanwangmo530]

Wonderful to hear Prof. Butler ,Prof. Mamdani in the same video. Gender is a very relevant topic since the beginning and today in this pandemic times we can see how the household chores are gendered to be a women's job. Such lectures will spark a light of thought in viewers mind. Ms Anna Karthika rightly points out how gender has been fluid in many countries until it was colonised. Hence the post colonial experiences in these countries are different from what their ancestors had experienced before the colonisation and so called modernization.

[@markrussell3428]

Hum? Gender is actually irrelevant and now she is dropping the "fantasim" term to confuse people even more. Gender is where the confusion began and now she achieved the goal and moved on to Queer Theory. What she is talking about is an attribute of a personality. Personality changes and evolves with experiences and natural biological development (maturation). Gender is a neat way to confuse children. This demonic monster hasn't got the courage to get past her ego and admit what a colossal mistake she has thrust upon society but it wouldnt shock me if it was her desire and intent. At her heart she is a feminist extremist the despises men and the notions of immaculating them puts her in a camp with Andrea Dworkin. Butler deserves a spot in the John Money hall of shame.

[@alanblight9233]

How are household chores gendered ? I’m sorry I don’t understand the gendering of such things .

[@markrussell3428]

@@alanblight9233 Butler is horrific and lacks courage to actually acknowledge her thinking is poisoning the world. She advocates confusion and hopes to eradicate sex catagories. The only way the gender arguement makes sense is by holding onto the notion of stereotypical sex based behaviours and this notion of "performativity". It is such a weak intellectual arguement. Its so bad she moved onto Queer Theory. Society evolved well beyond this binary thinking because innovations enabled society to evolve, including birth control and feminine hygiene products (the tampon). In her world motherhood is a failure and a weakness given its "stereotypical" behaviour. In her world, Jamie Lee Curtis would be a man and Willy Nelson and especially Steven Tyler would be women. Simply because of hair and the type of pants they wear. Her field of study is a massive fraud. Qualitative research is exposed as pseudo-science to begin with. It was all cute and tolerable until 14 year old girls started getting the breast harvested.

[@markrussell3428]

Don't get seduced by the guru of horrific ideas.

[@palominox64]

It’s seriously distressing to hear so many cisgender humanities theorists teach that ‘sex is binary, it’s reproductive organs, period, and gender is through and through a social construct, having NOTHING to do with biology”- When that cis-normative bias against mountains of hard science data-is so consistent with the Right Wing Conseervative view that Reproductive biology is binary (which every intersex person will tell the Religious Right AND Postmodern Gender theorists- is factually false) But more importantly- by Eliminiatively reducing ‘gender’- including not just imposed gender Roles, but experienced Gender Identity- as a pure social fiction with NO biological basis or correlate- They align with the same bs Right Wing ideology that says all Trans people CHOOSE to ‘become’ or ‘make themselves’ transgender, that trans gender, like (I’m that theory) ALL gender- is learned (so trans people are ‘teaching’ or ‘indoctrining’ kids to ‘become transgender’ - because nobody is ‘born that way.”) Meanwhile everything we know about the actual science of both reproductive organs and genetics, AND brain based Gender identity- that NEITHER area is binary- genetics and organs go across a range, that brain sex is real, is NOT binary but goes across a range (some say ‘mosaic- multi-dimensional set of neurological features and factors, no ‘male’ vs ‘female’ brain, but a statistic range of features. And years of neurological, neurogenic and even sexual response data- show that being Transgender- including the range of non-binary, has both inborn and peri-natal NON-pathological correlates in brain anatomy and physiology, genetic and epigenetic causal factors, as well as positive adaptive responses to hormone therapy, for Gender Identity. Being cis or trans is NOT chosen from a menu of mythical constructs, and being Transgender isn’t the ‘choice’ nor the ‘social contagion’ or ‘taught, learned and chose’ Gender Identity that both Postmodernists Gender Theorists and Far Right Ideologues- both groups of whom deny the reality of Transgender identity- make it out to be. The path of false dichotomy- sex is EITHER construct OR binary biological (and is biological and binary) - And GENDER is either biological OR a pure learned chosen social fiction (and so, it’s through and through 17th century social fiction..) These are both dangerous roads that eradicate or invalidate Trans gender identity.

[@LizaFan]

Wonderful.

[@Lucas.rainha]

Thank you for everything, Butler. Greetings from Brasil ❤🇧🇷

[@agustinagonzaleznunez9513]

thanks for the conference

[@spartysmile5243]

Pedantry, especially undue display of learning.

[@shellscripting9526]

Does anybody have the bibliography Judith is using ? Please.

[@crsbeats5509]

She probably just used her own notes - or do you mean what authors she draws from for her own work?

[@apieceofschmitt]

Do people really deny gender as a social construct? It's most know as "masculinity/femininity" which are the social behavioral norms of males/females. While prescriptive to some extent, it's largely descriptive. A male would be "abnormal" while being feminine. The SOCIAL DEMAND FOR COMPLIANCE TO A NORM, is a separate feature from that recognition. People don't "choose" or even "are" a gender, their unique expression is simply categorized within a norm of males and females, "gender". One's behavior can be feminine, but such doesn't at all dictate their identity as a "woman". What I oppose isn't "gender", it's gender IDENTITY (through the use of social labels) and that language of man/woman or he/she should be aspects of such an identity (or gender itself), versus such binary language referencing the binary of sex. I oppose the idea of self-categorization among such a social collective through a self-perception without reinforcement from society. Language inherently requires reciprocity, as such is the only way to convey meaning with one another. And any association to a group categorization should require a level of shared understanding. I support social movements of challenging norms. What I oppose it manifesting one's identity to the norm from a structure that is at the same time being fought against and doesn't at all even exist as a structure to base such upon. "Gender" is the behavioral "norms" around the condition of sex. When the minority of males not expressing masculinity become the majority, they reshape what "masculinity" IS, they don't become women. A male that expresses femininity, isn't someone expressing "woman-ness", they are only expressing a behavior currently recognized as a norm of the female populace as compared to the male populace. Many people of the religious persuasion desire a compliance to a social norm. That sex differences that do translate to influencing certain behaviors, were "crafted that way" for a purpose. And thus we must stick to such roles. These "roles" are placed on males and females, which extends to sexual orientation as heterosexuality is the "norm". A male "laying with a male" is therefore doing the "role" of a female. And this goes against God's will. But that issue doesn't come from "sex" or "gender", but the demand toward "normal" behavior. So they aren't rejecting "gender theory", they are rejecting abnormal behavior. They are rejecting that "even if you desire otherwise, you must comply". It actually acknowledges individualism, but attempts to deny it's expression. And I take a position of supporting individualism, but accept a societal framework of language and understanding through the use of categorization. Where "abnormality" is just that, not anything with an inherent negative connotation. What I'm "afraid" of is the rise in the narcissism that demands a self-perception and association to societal group labels without any aspect of shared understanding making such language lacking of any utility. I'm "afraid", that the "cisnormative" perspective (which I deny), is attempting to replace all instances of sex with gender identity which will challenge/invalidate the large majority of people's understand of society and self. When one isn't a "man" for being a male, it will cause massive societal and individual crisises. One that seems highly detrimental without reason for such adoption.

[@Hist_da_Musica]

Great talk! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@sanallit222]

In my thought ,the familiar thing became consios, the development of any social movement is became by the structure of familier thing

[@yeahiprotest]

I can’t help but wonder if this is just what happens when academia becomes too insular

[@johnrichardson7280]

Bigot says what?

[@kevt31]

Its what happens when academia looses touch with reality

[@alejo548]

Good morning, thanks for share this kind of virtual lecture, I want to know if you can give me, the bibliography what professor Butler mention, I am not an English speaker so I lost little details. I would be thankful.

[@alejo548]

@Magnus Hirschfeld thank you so much

[@shellscripting9526]

Id like to see the bibliography as well. Please.

[@HS-hi6wc]

What is the name of the author that Haydee mentions at 1:08:54

[@dianakamara6486]

Ifi Amadiume: Male daughters female husbands.

[@immersiveworlds]

Absolutely brilliant and lucid lecture!

[@markrussell3428]

Clearly we watched different lectures

[@francescocerasuolo4064]

@@markrussell3428'cause you're an obtuse whining dead myth

[@johnsmith7140]

😂

[@giangtran3587]

thank you.

[@andreaalmeidacampos4470]

Judith Butler: Great as always! I thank MISR for promoting this lecture!

[@mongoharry7765]

Faith, at best, is the intentional suspension of reason. You'd think that people who employed it would have the...shame...to keep it to themselves.

[@Schopenhauer69]

This is coming from someone who believes Butler's nonsense

[@UnnTHPS]

omg why do ppl keep forgetting to mute their mics

[@skyhawk7315]

Long live her precious soul ❤️

[@cancelled_user]

Afraid? More like fed up.

[@andresm.1737]

Great, I loved it, Butler's intelligence is amazing, her knowledge about gender is so inspiring and helpful. In Colombia we have to tackle our Catholic's ideas to be free, it is just a matter of time since our new generations do not agree with our religion's ideas about gender, most of our teens are really open minded and support the LGBTQ+ movement.

[@amelliangames7365]

@juleous camper look up any statistics, trans people are the ones being denied housing, jobs, healthcare, are forced into the sex trade, and are getting killed.

[@serpentines6356]

No, I highly suggest to not go down that road. Sure, I think it's a good thing to accept a kid if they really are gay, but this "gender bender" cult is an affront to parental authority, and family. You really want more kids becoming confused, and wanting to chop up their bodies, and adults just go ahead and do it without real caution? No not good.

[@markrussell3428]

No one ever seems to ask Dr Butler if she is attracted to someone of the "same sex" or "same gender"? I would certainly assume she wouldn't be transphobic which would the create such an awesome dilemma for a radical feminist. She seems to have a difficult time acknowledging that "sex" is a thing

[@diegosemerene]

is there a contact email for Diana Kamara pls?

[@gotem370]

Dave Chappelle needs to see this

[@richardkovacs2006]

Why should he? He is no philosipher, as a stand-up comedian, he comments on the actual results of an ideology, which looks good on paper, but resulted in nonsense in many ways. I wonder what Butler, as a lesbian herself think about those trans claims, that it's discrimination against trans women if lesbians refuse to have s.x with them...

[@relaxingsounds1386]

He has, and has commented thusly.

[@gotem370]

not sure he acutally understands whats being talked about...

[@gotem370]

@@relaxingsounds1386 chappele never even heard of J Butler

[@serpentines6356]

@@gotem370 Why should he "understand it"?

[@basicallyacrow]

Wowwww! Woww woww woww woww woww!

[@feministaekhon]

Prof Butler thanks for your profound lectures. I use this lecture in my Feminist Theory class. One question: When you use the word “ Divine”, do you limit yourself to the three Abrahamic religions? I grew up in India and Siva the destroyer as we know is both sexes, so transcends “ gender”, and is considered “ Divine”, Vishnu became Mohini and this went back and forth. Vishnu reincarnated as many avatars of animals, transgender, women, etc and is considered Divine . If that is so how is Divinity standing opposed you “ Gender”? 🙏

[@af5433]

She tells bulshits 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@sanallit222]

The familiarity with the gender is structure by

[@pablobartkevicius]

Thank you god\universe FOR JUDITH!

[@cervenypes123]

Her worldview was made by religion--time for altogether new paradigms

[@mythornshaveroses6472]

This is a discussion seems to assume that religion matters to each person. All children express themselves freely, until someone says their way is wrong. That is the greatest threat to humanity. The human experience is different for each and every one of us. Our destiny is our own to declare. Our purpose is our own to choose. Religion, like many values, may matter for many individuals, but not for all. Those values play no role in gender beyond the attempts to define rigid boundaries, which are condemned when tested. A religious person's values may well be tested by my identity, but it is irrelevant until they decide that they have the divine right to take that away from me. It is an oppressive movement that would dictate the future, by confining it to the past. People are evolving beyond the scope of what religion has always known and that terrifies Christians. It is their struggle to overcome. I'm not inclined to wait for them to catch up. The future of equality, for all, is unstoppable.

[@ohjein]

Butler needs to go on JRE!

[@markrussell3428]

Oh yes...that would last for about 90 seconds. Rogan would ask Dr Butler if she is attracted to someone of the "same sex" or "same gender"? One would certainly assume she wouldn't be transphobic which would then create such an awesome dilemma for a radical feminist. She seems to have a difficult time acknowledging that "sex" is a thing

[@irmaauret7161]

I am more afraid of you...

[@Muskeljudentum]

People lacking in meaning fabricating nonsense concepts they can’t define to feel like they’re worthy and smart.

[@Peter-ov6xh]

In this lengthy criticism of Christianity, does she ever get round to letting us know that she's Jewish?

[@vishwanathnmamit1418]

Prof Butler, grateful for clear insights into the subject of Gender.

[@markrussell3428]

Can someone ask Dr Butler if she is attracted to the same sex or same gender? She seems to have a difficult time acknowledging that "sex" is a thing.

[@SamanthaPirri]

i loveee her!

[@stellaboulton9531]

Just one of the things you and she have in common.

[@johnsmith7140]

😂

[@juruchannel_]

Butler is so sweet, but the thumbnail choosen is an angry face pointing finger 🤣

[@markrussell3428]

Ask yourself this question - if the expert must keep referring to a script in order to keep ideas coherent what does that mean about the ideas? Gender is an element of personality, an expression of natal sex. The expression and identity one performs may be congruent or incongruent with biological sex. It is ultimately a feeling. When one try's to layer something like gender into some broader grandiose concepts it can become easy to get lost in creating coherence - hence the notes. Think of gender as an attribute of your personality and the differences and fluidity might make some sense. The alternative is gender is nothing more than a way of confusing children putting them on a path to a lifetime of medical treatment which harms their future sex life in adulthood. This would be why there is push back on the concept. It is beyond ego when she starts her discussion around "fantasims" but her agenda is a Marxist one, so she will sacrifice anything so long as it deconstructs society and puts in place her tyrannical utopian view.

[@AweZumAliceReturnz]

Well said..

[@markrussell3428]

@@AweZumAliceReturnz it's sad to see an advocate for normalizing pedophilia and incest being provided a platform and a voice. She speaks in riddles but when you deconstruct the message it's disturbing. You will note she has moved on from gender and really trys to downplay her contribution. Now it's all about gender queer and queer theory. Another thesis that targets the sexualization of children and has its own unqiue propaganda, symbols and flag.

[@markandrews3928]

Former Roman Catholic, now an Eastern Orthodox Christian here. I can think of a million ways I disagree with Dr. Butler. I've tried mightily to read "Gender Trouble" and its is a tough read; it requires becoming familiar with a highly specialized and subtle vocabulary. All that said I find Butler, in her public persona on KZbin, irenical in the best sense of the word. She is an experienced teacher, a clear speaker & listener, a careful scholar - a truly humane person. I am secure enough in my Faith and my intellectual curiosity that I do not find Dr. Butler an existential threat to human civilization. Butler is another in a long line of philosophers with a "Big Idea." Let her work out her ideas in peace. I can at least consider Dr. Butler's ideas with care and charity. Reactionary damnation of unfamiliar ideas gains nothing.

[@themovingdance2744]

I love her work as a non faith non secular person....liberty is my choice

[@serpentines6356]

Wow, this is quite scary to read. Engels, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao had some big ideas too. I hope as a religious person you can see what an evil monster this gender bender cult is turning into. Doesn't God want you to protect the children? As a secular person I certainly will keep doing all I can to protect the children from this dangerous cult.

[@serpentines6356]

@@themovingdance2744 Liberty! I support liberty too. That's why I am fighting against this gender bender cult!

[@user-tk1hr8nj2b]

The parents for sure;

[@HS-hi6wc]

Please can i get the name of the authors that Haydee mentions especially the woman to woman marriage. It doesnt show up properly in the transcript and i need it for my work 😅😢 i wish there was a biblio for this talk

[@castor79]

this song comes to mind - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXPSmYJnr9dqoNk

[@bigbrownhouse6999]

Butler is far more familiar with the writings of her opponents than her opponents are with hers.

[@Schopenhauer69]

And what's the point? She still utters the most scientifically ignorant nonsense out there. She is on par with flat earthers at this point.

[@bigbrownhouse6999]

@@Schopenhauer69 do you have an actual argument to make or is it your habit to just blurt out brash and indefensible claims?

[@Schopenhauer69]

@@bigbrownhouse6999 Tell me what is the indefensible claim I made? We can have a conversation if u want. U can start by telling me what is scientifically accurate about Butler's theory ?

[@bigbrownhouse6999]

@@Schopenhauer69 well butler is a philosopher, not a scientist, there’s some overlap there occasionally, but for the most part she’s doing a phenomenology off gender and borrowing from the ideas of previous philosophers to build a system. There’s not much there, apart from very little, to be decided one way or the other by scientists. I’d say that the main thesis of *Gender Trouble*, that womanhood and manhood are not immutable or singular categories in themselves, but are always, in every generation, providing the means of their own subversion, was pretty well argued and grounded in objective fact; but to call it “scientifically accurate” is misleading since it is not a scientific thesis, properly speaking.

[@Schopenhauer69]

@@bigbrownhouse6999 show me the objective facts in which her theory is grounded.

[@GodsCosmicBollock]

Martha Nussbaum has a very good essay on Judith Butler, it's illuminating, and I would recommend it to all of her fans.

[@stacypastry2440]

??? Word salad

[@relaxingsounds1386]

Yep

[@awesomewinter3103]

yes

[@piquemacho]

wow i learned so much but also questioned what gender is even more than ever ahha

[@johnsmith7140]

It's sex

[@gazzamc1255]

Triangles and Circles share similar geometric properties they are visual different. If I were born either a triangle or circle I could self identify as a circle or triangle. Is this an actual threat to geometry and if so is it a capitalist conspiracy to create their own geometric shape to oppress I'm writing an essay about gender performaity and plumbers and electricians videos because I wish to understand the intersectionality between a circle and a triangle because even thou a circle and a triangle share similar geometric properties I can't tell the difference between a circle and a triangle because I can self identify myself as either because I'm not really stable. Why did I bother reading Plato's Republic??????????

[@person1420]

This comment appears to be a nonsensical and sarcastic rant that does not contribute to any meaningful discussion. It appears to be mocking the idea of self-identification and the concept of intersectionality. While humor and satire can be effective tools for social commentary, it is important to approach these topics with respect and understanding. It is also important to recognize the difference between genuine questions and comments and those that are intended solely for ridicule or mockery. --ChatGPT

[@gazzamc1255]

@@person1420 Would you like a box of tissues?

[@gazzamc1255]

@@person1420 Jesus loves you.

[@canisdeumnox4925]

Thru the whole video i keept hearing echos... Complete rubish

[@cancelled_user]

Because it's a leftist echo chamber 🙂

[@saschawalmroth5465]

I have a cuestión can you stop to performe to be a lesbian and perform some other sexuality or is this performance nothing else then necessary for you and you can't change it because it comes out of the subconscious. If gender is fluid it should be possible even if you are not willing. Greetings from Schopenhauer.

[@noor5x9]

According to Butler, performativity does not imply that you are free to choose your own gender or sexuality

[@oldtrowt]

Butler enjoys deconstructing and undermining society. It's her personal power trip, and you can witness the enjoyment it affords her.

[@markrussell3428]

No one ever seems to ask Dr Butler if she is attracted to someone of the "same sex" or "same gender"? I would certainly assume she wouldn't be transphobic which would the create such an awesome dilemma for a radical feminist. She seems to have a difficult time acknowledging that "sex" is a thing

[@user-tk1hr8nj2b]

For example in some cultures the firstborn preferred to be a boy. In some other .... usually older women prefer younger men and men older women, in other cultures prefer older men or women and others preffer same age , other preffer men with men and women with women.....well in western cultures masculine and feminine or gender its personal and that is individuals choice. Is not us to juge who one wants to "sleep" with as long as they act as all the rest of us on social metting and don't make it something important than other person. As long they socially behave and live as all of us with manners.Does that makes sense??

[@DEWwords]

Let me guess--- is it "bad" or inferior people who are "afraid" or her idea of "gender"--- ? ---- And is she using "afraid" as a synonym for "disagree" ?... Hm-mmm... ?

[@DadStud]

Then do something for de-transitioners and the victims of botched trans surgeries, that your work caused.

[@Eereenah]

This is weird, but can anyone else see the black guy popping up?

[@sirkris9468]

Why isnt Islam being included?

[@stefanmironov6405]

lol

[@Peter-ov6xh]

The focus is on Christianity because her religion aims to destroy Christianity.

[@Wolferal]

Nothing against people who believe otherwise - express yourself anyway you wish, but Sex and Gender are the same thing. It's only very recently that people started to arbitrarily assign a separate other meaning to the word "gender" - it now means "different things to different people" - like spirituality and religion, desires and wishes, and so called psychic realities. It's taken a place under the umbrella of magical thinking.

[@Hist_da_Musica]

The Pope made it sound pretty cool

[@dirkeaton6905]

Reading the comments on here and wondering if you’re all basing you respect and adoration of Judith on selective topics or all because she has some absolutely vile and disgusting beliefs on children and adult interaction and I find it hard to believe that comments like the ones I’m reading would still be written if one knew what her beliefs on those matters were known. If they are known and these comments are your accurate views despite being aware of these views then shame on you.

[@johnsmith7140]

Indeed

[@noor5x9]

Total bullshit. If Butler has these beliefs, quote them. Where is the evidence? You have absolutely none, because you just made it up. Or more likely: Someone who has power over you made it up and taught you lies. But feel free to prove me wrong. Show me where Judith Butler has "vile and disgusting beliefs on children and adult interaction". And when you realize you can't, please also realize that you have been lied to.

[@DadStud]

Name a gay marriage that is monogamous or not in divorce or domestic abuse court.

[@nigelfrench8894]

Why should they be monogamous? Do you know every married gay couple?

[@DadStud]

@@nigelfrench8894 i didnt realize culturally appropriating marriage meant redefining it as well...marriage should be sanctioned to couples who show every intention of being monogamous and intend to procreate, or adopt.. everyone else should have the right to form civil unions with protections for any third party that the either one or both also become commited too.

[@rebal1681]

What is her purpose in attempting to pronounce the names of Spanish speaking cou.tries with an accent but does not do the same when pronouncing "France " for instance ?

[@Peter-ov6xh]

I've seen this before with far-left types. They'll make an effort to pronounce stuff from the languages of "persecuted" peoples (e.g. Hispanics) but you don't need to accord the same respect to "privileged" Westerners.

[@kenfalloon3186]

You open by complaining about your words being taken out of context then you proceed to strawman the gender critical position by citing only extreme religious objections to gender ideology. Most campaigners against gender ideology are not doing so from a religious perspective but from that which seeks to protect women from erasure as a sex class. Gender ideology's attempts to assert that gender non conforming children have been born in the wrong body. This is a homophobic assertion for obvious reasons.

[@noor5x9]

They merely point out that the "resistance against gender ideology" has religious origins, which is plainly a fact. They also point out that in it's origin, the term "gender ideology" was developed specifically for misogynistic reasons, to protect the "family" with a dominant man and a woman that knows her place. The secularized versions of this idea, including the one that appropriated the name "feminism", only came afterwards. In fact, globally, most campaigners against "gender ideology" are Christian, and most "gender critical" organizations domestic and abroad are funded by US Christian billionaires. "Gender critical" feminists are consevatives in hiding. They want to deny the social construct gender, preferring to return to a bio-essentialism, where everything is determined by sex. This is antithetical to everything feminism stands for. The "biological reality of sex" to spearhead transphobia will easily turn into "the biological reality of heterosexuality". We already see this in Italy, where Meloni has taken away Lesbian rights to motherhood on the basis of "the biological reality of heterosexuality". I expect not long from now, we will see the assertion of the "biological reality" that women have a specific place in society, inferior to men. This will be defended as Feminism, since women "knowing their place" - so will these "gender critical" feminists claim - is simply what is good for them.

[@noor5x9]

Internationally, the anti-gender-ideology movement is obviously mainly a religious one. The UK is an exception to this, where a minority of leftist feminists promote the exclusion of trans women. Butler did not respond to that here, but they do in their new book on the subject quite extensively.

[@memethingz6004]

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@francescocerasuolo4064]

cry

[@annamitso5804]

I am a lesbian atheist and the ripples created by Judith Butler’s work have caused me more harm than any religious homophobes. Trans women now feel entitled to call themselves lesbians and feel entitled to sex with lesbians who are not attracted to them. People who believe that changing their gender identity will change people’s attraction towards them, which is obviously completely false. It is unfortunate that Judith (herself a lesbian) does not seem to understand the wider harm her work has caused.

[@immaweirdo2405]

Transwomen are women, and if they are attracted to other women they have every right to call themselves a lesbian. There is nothing in the trans community enforcing that cis people have to have sex with trans people- what you are saying is completely false. If a person is raped, coercion into having sex or feels entitled to sex, it is the fault and responsibility of the perpetrator/individual not whatever social categories they fit into (eg. being transgender, their sexuality, their gender or race). No one transition to be seen as attractive by certain people, it is because their gender does not correlate with their sex. You are the one who is causing harm to trans people by spreading false information and fear-mongering- this is what leads to violence against transgender people. It takes nothing for you to be kind and understanding towards others. This world is really hard for us, please don't make it harder.

[@annamitso5804]

That’s not right. Lesbians are female. How can a male claim to be a lesbian? That’s just homophobia

[@immaweirdo2405]

@@annamitso5804 Someone's sexuality is different to their gender. A transwoman is someone who was born biologically male but transitioned to female (eg. going on hormone replacement therapy). Therefore, their secondary sex characteristics become female (this is also the same for any surgeries). They would have once been seen by others to be a boy but now would be seen as a girl/woman (they were a woman inside originally but their birth sex did not correlate- being a woman but born male). If this person is only attracted to women then they would be a lesbian (if they are comfortable with that term) because they are a woman who is attracted to other women (before they transitioned they probably would have been seen as a straight man/boy). Being transgender is completely different to a person's sexuality.

[@paulelago9453]

@@immaweirdo2405 How can you say what she saying is false? Provide evidence

[@immaweirdo2405]

@@paulelago9453 because as a trans person myself I have an understanding of how things are

[@zhaoxiaoying9894]

She chooses an anecdote of the spontaneous reaction from a woman in the audience as representing all the logical and objective criticism.

[@raymondkey1952]

And?…

[@zhaoxiaoying9894]

@@raymondkey1952 And she is a fraud, a fool and a delusional self-styled thinker, following the footsteps of her master Gilles Deleuze, a more fanatic indoctrinator.

[@juliodavila9964]

As more explanation, more misunderstandings. This lecture said absolutely nothing

[@memethingz6004]

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[@spartysmile5243]

You could try to use words that are understood by the working people. Or at least include definitions of words so that the listener is not running into mental speed bumps every time a high academic word is used. You're in love with the word proclarity or whatever it is. Open minded people come here after listening to Camile Paglia. Just to hear who she talked about. But huge academic words send the open minded working people packing. That's me. I gave you a shot. See ya who cares.

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

Is Jordan Peterson a good souce for wisdom?

[@vinzent998]

No, imo he simplifies to much

[@stefanmironov6405]

he would, but unfortunately he is a cis white male and that's a big no no

[@serpentines6356]

Yes, he is. Butlers stuff is mostly garbage.

[@marceloonunes]

No, Jordan Peterson is a sad, unbalanced man who cries at every interview.

[@juliarman]

@@marceloonunesBeing a sad and unbalanced person who cries doesn't eliminate one from being a thinker. The closer you are to the truth, the more depressing it gets.

[@person1420]

Don't read the comments. I am warning you. Trigger warning: There are a lot of transphobic comments here and also some homophobic comments.

[@cancelled_user]

Also lot of pseudoscientific terms such as "transphobic" or "homophobic"

[@johnsmith7140]

​@@cancelled_userIndeed

[@serpentines6356]

To adults obsessed with gender. LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE! No, it is not okay to confuse kids, and make them think it's ok to cut up their body in their underage years, or ask them what their "preferred pronouns" are. Just leave them alone.

[@monicadaniels784]

I don't understand the appeal of this fantasy you are living under where parents with evil intent get a charge out of turning their children trans. Believe me, this is perhaps one case of an unstable parent in like billions. The truth is that children are born with genders that do not agree with their sex assigned at birth. It is the child that drives this process not some liberal parent. A loving parent will seek medical help (non surgical in an attempt to buy time for their child to mature) in determining how best to help their child. And no, they don't cut up their bodies! Please put aside your fear and ignorance and learn what actually happens. A parent can also decide to be non supportive or hostile even. They can decide that the only way to stop their greatest fears for their child is to abuse them, shun them, stick their fingers in their ears and hope gender problems magically go away. That is child abuse and can very often lead to self harm by the child. You are speaking from fear and prejudice, not fact. I'm sorry, people should not be considered disposable. Trans people are real, and you wishing that they would 'just not be trans' is considering them disposable. Kids sometimes need room to figure out what is best for them. They don't need to be swatted down and told not to 'be weird.'

[@carlkuss]

I think that what she is saying is to "Leave those kids alone!" (Cfr. "The Wall")

[@monicadaniels784]

@@carlkuss The problem with that Carl is that without proper help, some of those kids will be suicidal, some will sadly succeed. Loved that album!

[@everything5066]

Teaching kids that having two mommies are just as good and valid as a mommy and a daddy and that their feelings and preferences are valid is a human right .

[@aliceinwonder8978]

Forcing them to adopt certain pronouns, roles, mode of dress, etc. all based on your perception of their genitals is the definition of not leaving them alone. Asking for your kids pronouns is respecting their ability to choose their gender. Trans people experience a lot of hate throughout our whole lives. It starts on day 1 when parents push their ideology about what a man or woman should be. Parents should let kids figure out gender themselves.

[@timingswrong]

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[@TEOREMA1991]

Judith butler is the conspiracy theorist.

[@villian5124]

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[@kevt31]

This is complete bullshit

[@johnrichardson7280]

It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe

[@kevt31]

​@@johnrichardson7280suffers with psychosis its utter nonscence

[@kevt31]

Total word salad