Who is Lucy Letby? The nurse who murdered babies - in the words of people who’ve met her

[@grumpyoldman7225]

It sickens me that Tony Chambers, the head of the hospital got a cushy new gig in January this year at another hospital, having previously forced the consultants to write a letter of apology to Letby for accusing her. All of the management seem to have moved on with golden handshakes to equally overpaid gigs in other hospitals. People wonder why the NHS is crumbling. It's not doctors, nurses or medical staff. It's not even the aging population. It's poor management, excessive waste and obscene salaries for individuals who wouldn't be fit to manage a local coffee shop.

[@susandavey2361]

It happens everywhere in every work place, sh*t never seems to stick

[@neilperry2224]

The board in charge of a hospital now see it as a business not a hospital for treatment of people. The board is made up of people who are looking for the next better paying hospital board that they want to sit on, saying how great they were at their last hospital board appointment. So what should happen in the proper world of a ‘ blue collar’ work environment, where a job is obtained by mis-leading or untruthful results. Is immediate sacking from the position, as it’s classed as gross misconduct by fraudulently obtaining a job position with false claims and statements. But they won’t, there will be a wasteful investigation into what went on and some scape-goat will be found to fall on their I-phone 14 maxi, I-pad large, mini, watch, pen or stylus, or overly expensive pen or stapler, or staple remover. But the person or persons who ultimately gave the green light for the employment of said female baby-killer , will be let off with a file note on their employment file.

[@susanrichards5849]

Well said.

[@esecallum]

sue him

[@obsolise8063]

Hear fucking hear…!!!!!!!

[@vikkinovak5114]

I saw a video about the doctor who caught her looking over a baby, the breathing tube had been removed and the heart alarms were turned OFF. The doctor reported her AND ALL THE MANAGERS AND ADMINISTRATION SUPPORTED THE NURSE. They told the doctor that he needed to apologize or be fired. These people are hypocrites.

[@Timothy1976]

Is because the NHS are Woke so had the men punished instead

[@Samgurney88]

Link?

[@graceaquino3510]

Yes I saw the interview of that doctor

[@babdullah5025]

I saw that too 😢

[@goduxunike]

It was chilling when he described it.

[@mrmensa1096]

The consultants and front line staff made sure this was investigated by the police. The SENIOR MANAGEMENT did their absolute best to stop this happening. These four should face charges. Nursing Director Alison Kelly Medical Director Ian Harvey Head of Corporate Stephen Cross Hospital CEO Tony Chambers

[@jimbo1001-u9q]

they should be conviicted.....and rot in jail...doubt this will happen

[@birdlynn417]

Put them ALL in jail. No excuse for this, no excuse for their lack of action. Such irresponsibility is NOT acceptable, make them pay the consequences for their lack of action. They went AWOL, only thinking of preserving their reputation and big money.

[@vordman]

I've always found there's something particularly unlikeable about the management in the state sector. More so than in the private wealth-creating sector where a level of acumen has to be present. In my experience state management are bred from state management and know all the levers to pull to find a sinecure position where they can just see out their time doing very little and then retire early on a state-funded index-linked pension.

[@anthia1156]

I don't know if jail is the best punishment for them. They need to be sued down to their last penny and forbidden from employment in a similar position. This is the best punishment for individuals who value money and status more than anything else.

[@outsidersongs2682]

No, they need to be exposed to an intense level of investigation. They are not murderers. Letby is the murderer. The most they will be guilty of is being unable to believe it and being successfully reassured by a very conniving and manipulative nurse who did not at all fit the profile of a killer. An investigation will hopefully lead to better awareness and more attention to such concerns. A group of expert physicians telling them that something was wrong should have been enough. NICU cribs and incubators may need 24/7 cctv now to monitor clinicians. This is not like the Charles Cullen situations where management in multiple hospitals actually KNEW Cullen was killing patients but chose to quietly dismiss him and hide it. The management in the Letby case appear to have genuinely believed Letby was not hurting babies. They are guilty of good faith. Remember these named people are NOT murderers (Letby is the murderer). They are likely guilty of negligence. Manslaughter is a possibility too - causing death unintentionally. But Letby alone is the killer.

[@christinajones2182]

The hospital bosses should also be in court. People like her need enablers, and she had several, even when highly trained doctors raised huge concerns and evidence regarding her. When she was moved off of the ward and HR and senior nurses discussed her returning to the neonatal unit there had not been one mysterious death or collapse since her transfer more than four months earlier. All the signs and evidence were there writ large, yet she was still protected by people on huge salaries, even forcing doctors to apologise to her. Those bosses should be prosecuted and in court too.

[@Rosemary-up1ql]

True

[@missd2657]

One of the things that I found awfully strange was that at one of the meetings she showed up with her parents, and was given a full apology by executives. When a 26 year old worker turns up with their parents in tow, that is a problem right? How did that not make management think ‘this girls a weirdo and something isn’t right’? Instead, this is when she got the written apology!!!!

[@m.walker7907]

Must be nice, That a EVIL Nurse got a apology

[@nielszindel1151]

@@missd2657 I think it must have been clear early in her career she is emotionally immature but somehow they overlooked it. Delia Morris

[@franziskani]

@@missd2657 Well if you are accused of a heinous ! crime - you can show up with support (let's suppose she had been innocent - it would have weighed heavily on her to be accused in that manner. Normally it would be weird to have your parents in tow to solve your work conflicts - but in that case I do not find that strange. But she was brazen of course to play the bullied victim.

[@clare8596]

I left the NHS and my career as a mental health nurse because my whistleblowing was not heard by management. Whistleblowing is punished in the NHS and there is a coercive and controlling culture within ward work. The people who ignored the whistleblowers should be as culpable.

[@Jemmababu0909]

True n agree .

[@dbison2953]

I agree they should be made an example of ruthlessly so this won't happen again .

[@April-i9p]

I live in Marion , Illinois . My Dad was one of the first murdered at a Veterans Hospital. There was many murders. Staff was told ( nurses ) to keep their mouths shut and to destroy paperwork. It was on the news . No one went to jail. People quit there jobs and some were fired.

[@clare8596]

@@April-i9p Devastating. A self governing agency will *never* be wrong. I hope you find courage to speak out or write about your experience and are comforted by true justice one day.

[@zie9171]

@@April-i9p shocking story.

[@keepleft]

My heart goes out to the parents of the babies she's murder. The despair, saddness, hurt, and hopelessness they must've gone through. 😔😔😔

[@gdiup9241]

💯 and still going through everyday. 😢

[@bingonamo7520]

What about the babies themselves. She basically tortured them all to death.

[@adonaiyah2196]

​@@bingonamo7520that's the worst part

[@smokeydiamond489]

If you don't have anything to say just don't say anything. This whole "my heart goes out" doesn't mean anything.

[@keepleft]

@@smokeydiamond489 and the award for most ironic comment goes to....

[@steve83803]

Many years ago in 1981 ( correction 1991) a nurse named Beverley Allitt committed similar crimes at Grantham hospital which resulted in the deaths of four babies and we got the usual “we’re making changes to ensure this kind of thing never happens again” Well it has but it’s very strange that no reference has been made to this previous case….do the powers that be think we have forgotten.

[@paulcullum517]

Correct , she ended up in a mental hospital , after manipulating the system. Let's hope Letby doesn't also try and play the 'Im crazy' card and try and avoid a prison sentence to get a "cushty" sentence in a mental hospital.

[@jankuhnert4768]

I was thinking exactly the same thing this afternoon when I heard the verdict. Just, just, unbelievable.

[@Cityzen567]

She had Munchausen by proxy. Maybe Letby had the same thing?

[@billybonds4449]

Your sentiments are correct. Allitt commited her evil crimes in 1991.

[@HALFSQUASHED]

I certainly haven't forgotten. Curious that her name isn't being mentioned. Her crimes were not even as long ago as the 80's more recent than that.

[@lr8763]

She’s a serial killer of the most vulnerable innocent victims possible. Something is terribly terribly wrong with her soul.

[@gdiup9241]

💯 serial killer!!!!!

[@astrialindah2773]

She even understood there was something wrong with her soul...... She said that she was evil..... And surely she is😢

[@bingonamo7520]

She doesn't have a soul.

[@duncanhewitt6557]

The doctors went to management in June 2015 and it took them two years to contact police

[@Relugus]

​​@@jonnip7225It feels like something broke inside her, she seems utterly disconnected from other people, it's like she tried to feel emotion vicariously, on some level.

[@jaiadixon7918]

Let’s be honest-the care home s for the elderly and children’s care homes have plenty of people like lucy working in them,they might not kill but they definitely abuse and torture victims of the most vulnerable crimes and when whistleblowers speak out are simply sacked and it’s covered up! I don’t think this case is hard to believe at all in the uk,just difficult to understand the mindset but not difficult to understand how it was literally allowed to happen! I hope it’s not just her that gets prosecuted..the people who covered this up need jail time to!

[@georgeblackley6028]

Well said.Very true.

[@missionlightsgrp9187]

You're right! The killers and abusers in those homes never get caught! It's only those who point the finger at them or try to change the system who get caught and accused falsely of all heinous crimes. Criminals are protected by the supreme evil mind. And whoever stands against him will be chewed up alive.

[@karmellla]

Absolutely, my mums seen things I can’t even type. In mental health and dementia settings. When she blew the whistle her reports went down as a malicious report, as if she was just mad she didn’t get a promotion. She was also told to leave if she doesn’t like it. She provided evidence too. Everyone I know who’s grandparents have been in a home, their wedding rings mysteriously vanished. I dread to think of how they’re treated.

[@donnacook2810]

Same in New Zealand, hidden crime and abuse of aged persons, people getting rich off these poor souls.

[@Timothy1976]

Sadly society doesn't care as much about the elderly as they do children

[@DreamBird1]

One mother describes an absolutely horrific account of Lucy Letby's evil ways. The mother said her family and she had just left the hospital after visiting hours were over when she rushed back to drop off some bottles of breastmilk for her baby. She said when she got to the unit, she heard a baby (her baby) crying in absolute agony. She ran over to his room, where she saw Lucy Letby standing over her baby, who had blood on his lips with a stomach tube sticking out of his mouth. She screamed for help and asked Lucy Letby what was happening because her baby was just fine when they left. He was screaming with so much pain. This is where that monster of a nurse starts acting like she's helping by taking the tube out and writing notes, all without directly looking or addressing the crying mother. Until the mother demands what happened, only then does Lucy Letby look at her and says, "Trust me. I'm a nurse." That poor baby ended up dying the very next day. I hate that Lucy Letby

[@Ramdai-i4h]

SHE IS A DEVIL, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!!! MAY THE GOOD LORD JESUS HEAL ALL OF YOU ALL WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM THIS HORRIBLE, WICKED ACTS OF A DEVIL IN DISGUISE AS A NURSE!!! BE IT KNOWN THAT ALL THESE CHILDREN, ARE WITH JESUS, IN HEAVEN, AT PEACE, AND ONE DAY SOON AND VERY SOON YOU WILL RE-UNITE WITH THEM!!! BE BLESSED!!! HALLELUJAH!!!

[@bmichellew2010]

Any reasonable person would feel hatred towards that monster named Lucy Letby

[@alex93491]

Have you got a link because my memory is that she said she was at a workstation and not standing over her baby

[@blossom1643]

I hate her too. At Least maybe Now she’s living a miserable life like she deserves.

[@donny121able]

I was in hospital and had to have regular injections, one particular nurse would always hurt when injecting and she forced the solution in hard whuch hurt, I said to her she was hurting but she seemed to be enjoying it. Wish I made a formal complaint. All the other nurses were like angels, I did mention it to one of the "angels" and she named the bad nurse straight away so they were aware of this particular bad nurse.

[@anniegriffith-onipede3926]

That happened to me once.

[@private_soul]

Wow how awful

[@Moving_Forward247]

Sorry how awful

[@dhalsim-1]

Next time ask for angel and say you don't want bad nurse.

[@helenhenninger835]

My uncle is a doctor in a pain ward and says that nurses who are sadistic show up quite frequently. Something about being around vulnerable people attracts this kind of person according to him, so your instincts were completely on. Whatever your condition was I hope it's better now!

[@mrmensa1096]

The Management team / hospital executives need to be prosecuted for neglect and trying to cover up the deaths.

[@MJ-vp1bi]

Maybe he is a cult leader that ensured perfect environment for Lucy to act.

[@margaretcurrie4093]

They won't.. They will get a top job and it's always someone beneath them that will get it.. And told u now have to watch the signs etc.. It will be now the nurses etc. That will be watched.. As an excemple

[@Ancient_Lights]

Corporate Manslaughter

[@johnlowe3050]

What were the hospital management doing? Even a child would know something was wrong, death after death ! I hope they are accountable and removed.

[@marykistnen6837]

...and put in prison.

[@birdlynn417]

I know, right? Even her coworkers, come on. People are not that dumb not to recognize a psycho at work beside you.

[@marykistnen6837]

And why didn't they have another member of staff working beside her the whole time, when they suspected something unimaginably horrific was happening to those poor babies. The more you thing about it, the worse it gets.

[@jimbo1001-u9q]

they will get a huge pay increase

[@m-o-l]

​@snakeoil.salesman Tony Chambers, senior manager, moved to a new, very highly paid job in January 2023. They earn more than consultants. Lucrative salaries !!!

[@JanBanJoovi-ol1qv]

Imagine if it’s hard for you to have babies and then finally successfully had one, only to be taken away by this evil person. Feel sorry for those parents. It’s probably gonna be a lifetime trauma to them.

[@MargotDobbie]

I mean its no different either way. Your baby was murdered. The pain is no different....if anything its weird thay you imply that it wouldnt be as bad for parents who have or can have other babies. There is no "especially bad" for anyone its a nightmare for ANY parent.

[@JanBanJoovi-ol1qv]

@@MargotDobbie it’s especially bad for parents whose babies have been murdered. If your baby died of natural causes like natural illnesses or tragic accidents (e.g. hit by a car) that’s beyond somebody’s control. Murder on the other hand is deliberate.

[@chichikov617]

some of the babies survived were severely damaged.

[@laestrella9727]

​@@MargotDobbieit's insensitive but they are right. It is worse.

[@AnthonyEdwards775]

@@JanBanJoovi-ol1qvYou go make another baby 🤷‍♂️ life goes on

[@MsElke11]

She was arrested back in 2016 and now it's 2023?? How on earth did it take 7 years to get her a verdict??

[@zameen1]

The arrested her then but didn't officaly charge her till 2020. Police was investigating all that time I think

[@Jay18745]

The fact she spent years to get into this line of work knowing full well she was going to do such heinous crimes makes her even more sick in the head.

[@sabercrosby8128]

How do you know that?

[@mbb2404]

Where there are vulnerable people psychopaths will always find a way in.

[@clon76]

@@mbb2404 No evidence she's a psychopath

[@clon76]

No evidence she did that. More likely something that went wrong in her after she had been in the job a while

[@AishaHussain-e9y]

Some people go in to them kind of jobs to get easy access to murder the vulnerable and sick 😢the sick evil women lucy probably been this way has a child she may have killed before she may have even killed animals it just doesn't happen over night .

[@emmsue1053]

People were raising concerns but still nothing was done. The entire NHS needs looking at & heads should be rolling. This is what pure evil looks like.

[@jlk760]

Appears those at the top who should have been investigating the complaints were more concerned about her feelings and mental well being to the point where she received a letter of apology and one of the consultants raising concerns against her had to apologise in person to her. Beyond belief doesn’t even begin to cover it.

[@jp3630]

Let's be honest, it is because she is white.

[@margaretcurrie4093]

Yes one doctor came in. And for a second thought he was imagining it.. No she couldn't she's a nurse.. 🤦💯

[@JosedeJezeus]

Yes. Evil smiles.

[@itsaboutthattime4425]

If she doesn’t get a whole life sentence then the whole justice system needs to honestly just go in the bin.

[@JamesSmith-qs4hx]

I hope you include every woman who has had an abortion in that.

[@paulrichards6894]

never see the light of day again

[@itsaboutthattime4425]

@@JamesSmith-qs4hx Damn what a stupid comment

[@Hartley_Hare]

@@JamesSmith-qs4hxSave the culture war stuff for US news.

[@BPJJohn]

@@JamesSmith-qs4hx Rape Victims included?

[@Narrow-Pather]

People who haven't encountered them would be amazed at how kind and convincing narcissists and sociopaths present themselves as against the reality of how manipulative and evil they'll eventually prove themselves to be.

[@zie9171]

Bernie Madoff.

[@blake9358]

@@zie9171 Ivan Milat

[@glendadowe]

You have just described some World Leaders ! And they also kill !

[@TK.000]

You're exactly right! I knew one and ended up in therapy over it. It's like looking at a white ball and everyone, including that narcissistic sociopathic person, is telling you it's blue. You know what you see, nobody else sees it because the narcissist is clever at hiding it. Eventually it makes you question your own sanity.

[@hughhughes4488]

@@zie9171 Bernie Madoff never killed babies. He was actually pretty popular in prison, this woman will be lucky if she doesn't get shanked every time she walks down the hallway.

[@rorysmith2415]

I feel sorry for victims of these crimes. It is cruel and evil to kill children.

[@Timothy1976]

And there are people that want full term babies aborted if the mother has depression and doesn't want it

[@Prophezora]

Those poor families

[@know_not_wickedness]

I agree. Abortion is evil.

[@dethengine]

God has killed many, many millions of babies and children, but he is the least evil of all, right?

[@daviddimbleby6725]

​@@dethenginethat's not God that's nature

[@inthebox7752]

All the managers need to be in the Dock too. A complete miscarriage of justice. Absolutely shocking.

[@sali1023]

WHITE , all im gonna say

[@terrytownsend5583]

Eyeroll. Another expert

[@minanes6549]

The CEOs of the hospital, at that time, really seemed to have gone out of their way to protect Letby. There was no hint in the news that she had some hold over them, so it's a mystery why they couldn't put the clues together as the medical staff on the ground were doing. But it's almost as if they were determined to protect her come what may. Seven consultants regularly flagging up a connection between Letby and baby deaths, even reviews being undertaken. But they still chose to disregard the concerns of these people, trained and disciplined in objective decision-making as they must be, being skilled physicians, and even required meditation and apology from them. They enabled Letby to kill.

[@jonnip7225]

Probable. And, to protect its own reputation and investments$$$$$$$

[@spinztarella]

@@jonnip7225 I agree. The management appear to have been more concerned about protecting their reputation, rather than the lives of patients under their care. Absolute shame on them.

[@Sssssssslf]

And this is why I'm confused how many of them have gone on to new roles at new hospitals, how are they not being held accountable?! They should be in the dock after letby!

[@jonnip7225]

@@Sssssssslf just like the priest in my city that was relocated elsewhere after reports of sexual abuse were revealed. 😒

[@laurinda9009]

Was she involved with someone in the hospital with influence??

[@f6876]

How could the hospital allow this murderer to get away with it for so long?

[@Paulstrickland01]

Women are treated more favourably in crime than men are so it's always "let's give her the benefit of the doubt" or "nooooo smiling Lucy couldn't do that".

[@twistedcherrypop]

What u said is TOTAL BS!!!! @@Paulstrickland01

[@staciamj1]

They are equally culpable IMO.

[@audreyslim3902]

How irresponsible is that community! ! How Sick is it to even be in therr at that me dical center!!

[@dWFnZWVr]

Because there was no indication that anything was untoward until the infant mortality rate for the regional trust and its hospitals had been collected and reviewed. There’s a naturally occurring infant mortality rate, which, like many other statistics is gathered annually. Each hospital records their data and reviews it. It was only when the hospital was able to review the data that they noticed the sharp, unnatural increase in infant mortality. The hospital took it to the NHS trust for the region expressing their concern and analysis of the regional data showed a 10% higher infant mortality rate. Naturally occurring fluctuation isn’t a cause for concern, but, because of what Lucy did the infant mortality rate between 2015-2016 in the hospital she worked at was noticeably higher than all other regional hospitals and sharply surpassed the hospitals own previous averages. The NHS trust did its own investigation along with the hospital but could not find anything (other than staff shortages) that could be contributory to the sharp rise. That’s when the NHS asked the police to assist and launch an investigation. Only when the NHS concluded their own investigation did it become clear that something much more sinister must be taking place.

[@deadhead5276]

I'm an ex adult nurse who held a senior position on an oncology ward. I can honestly say this whole situation is beyond belief. I know that my ward would recognise and intervene even a slight issue with nursing staff ( consistent drug errors being probably the main issue ) and would have no issue with suspension if management thought a nurse wasn't safe to practice. Also we had to obtain an extra qualification to be able to " sign off " a student nurse who was about to qualify, with the knowledge that should that new nurse then go on to something akin to what letby did, they too would be investigated. So God only knows what system this trust had in place Just epic failures by nhs trust managers...they should be held to account too, and receive prison sentences for being complicit in these crimes.

[@jessicabhatnagar9405]

Key words, “if the management thought…”. The management in this case did not she was a killer, but it was the people working as caregivers who did and they were not listened to.

[@justadude8369]

@@jessicabhatnagar9405 NHS managers are, by definition, absolutely inept. If they were half decent they would've secured a job working in the private sector. Instead the NHS gets the talentless halfwits with 4 GCSEs who get elevated to such status where they think they can dismiss the concerns of seven consultant level doctors.

[@Sssssssslf]

The consultants are guilty for allowing this to continue too in my opinion

[@harismohammad2005]

@@SssssssslfThe consultants all agreed Lucy was the cause or in relation to the murders of the babies however had no power to prevent them, being threatened told to apologise and silenced for speaking out by the managers who are indeed responsible for those babies deaths

[@rolandhawken6628]

Did you experience any cluster deaths ? in your time // Just interested .

[@Quidwitchh]

No one has said what she’s like. Not one person has given specific examples of how she’s a psychopath or narcissist, it’s all presumed because she’s now been found guilty. But what I want to know is what indicators were there before hand that suggested she could turn out the way she has? Ie. Did colleagues notice she never took the blame for mistakes? Did friends quietly find her a bit unempathetic if not slightly mean? I have a sister in law whose narcissistic and I could imagine her hurting others while getting satisfaction from it (She certainly has benefitted from people’s misery). But no one who actually was friends with Letby or knew her personally actually has said anything. If anything the doctors said she was competent and enthusiastic. At the same time no one has been quick to defend her but there’s so many gaps!

[@monikel]

It is not pressumed, it's entirely made up, the old English methods "back stabbing" and "throwing one under the bus". For who works in hospital, we know that British staff make their own cliques and cover each other, at least when there are complaints against them from non British people, staff and patients. Of course she was part of a clique and if all these didn't come to light, she would have been promoted to band 6 and further.

[@globalcitizenn]

It may not be obvious coz again they have white privilege

[@yourcommentmakesmecomment.3423]

Agreed. They could have been talking about any killer here. Nothing was specific to her.

[@bkwrm85]

Thanks for writing this. I'm thinking the same thing, and it bothers me a lot, too. We're not hearing anything to indicate that people found her toxic or troubling *before* the allegations came out. It seems like a huge gap in the story.

[@fransyska]

I agree!

[@briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206]

Narcissists and psychopaths are very prevalent in this "Line of work" ..Nurses..Schoolteachers..Doctors etc. It gives them the opportunity to exploit and abuse the weakest most vulnerable members of our society. I have given up on humanity

[@jonnip7225]

Evil wants you to give up. Good luck. Or, see evil for what it is. Humans are vulnerable and just give in. So be strong against it, to survive. Imo

[@stonerjazz]

Psychological testing - regularly in every care and safeguard profession. Its the only way. Questioning and undercover watching. Cctv or AI used to check and double check. And each change of shift must wait till evidence is recorded. Then staff can feel happy they won't get blamed for someone elses bad work. 😢

[@Groundwater24]

No. Never give up on humanity ol’ pal. There is a huge paradigm shift taking place and the kinds of people you speak about, are being exposed daily.

[@redbirddeerjazz]

Don’t forget the police

[@briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206]

@@redbirddeerjazz 100% Correct also.

[@dating6016]

This is what happens when you judge books by covers...

[@LionHeart1324]

100 percent. She looks innocent. In Islam who kill must be killed in same way. Justice in Islam.

[@missJolie85]

@@LionHeart1324 That's not justice, that's behaving as low as the people you are trying to condemn.

[@dating6016]

@harmonysummer you thought she was innocent. Gotcha

[@Sssssssslf]

​@harmonysummerso did I. I knew immediately she was guilty, call it a guy feeling I don't know, but even before we'd heard any damning evidence I just knew she was guilty

[@private_soul]

​@harmonysummerwould u say thr photos presented a false and fake veneer.. likenforced happiness?

[@Adam-bo5kt]

She must never see the light of day. Anything less would be an insult to the victims’ memory and their families.

[@rolandhawken6628]

Oh wow , did you know there were 215,ooo abortions in UK last year most done by doctors . At 23 weeks they cut up the baby inside the womb put every little limb and severed head on the table to make sure all is removed otherwise there might be infection , Premature babies have been known to survive born at 21 weeks , Hope this gives you some perspective when you talk of victims and families . So who is insulting who?

[@khairakhalid6083]

She was "normal"? What does that even mean? Let's discuss the real reason why a serial killer was protected at all costs.

[@Jestersson]

Life without parole has to be. Rip to all the innocents.

[@annuvynarawn392]

yeah, if she actually did it.

[@GroovyGreenBear]

Of course she did it. And she's been found guilty

[@deusvultpictures6550]

Death by firing squad would be better

[@simonpieman1653]

It's got to be DEATH by hanging

[@RoyChadwick51]

We don’t have no parole here . This is very very disturbing indeed .

[@staciamj1]

Shame on the managers at the hospital. They are culpable as well and should be held to account. "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do NOTHING"!

[@Key-Pen_it_real_1A]

I'm sure they all say they just did their jobs..

[@Ecd4life23]

They don’t work there now those in those positions at the time of crimes.

[@redcruben]

They should not be allowed to melt into the background and should be sought out and charged

[@shaddowwxy3307]

​@Laura-xt5tf were you even paying attention to the full case report... there was a concrete catalog of evidence built up against her, which management downright refused to take seriously... they did not like the consultants calling the shots (despite being clear gold standard eye witnesses)... are you a manager too by any chance Laura? 😂

[@stjohnssoup]

Abortions?

[@doriswaddington2418]

My sons were both very premature and we spent long periods in the NeoNats Unit. We didn’t have any doubts about the credibility of the nurses looking after our boys. It’s so hard for us ( or any parent) to think otherwise

[@mattb6704]

Imagine being a mother in hospital about to give birth now with this in the news. I wouldn’t let my child out of my eyesight.

[@doriswaddington2418]

When you just had a C section and your child is down in Neo Nats fighting for his life you don’t have a choice

[@leonhuckstep472]

Why did the high rise in Death start a year before LL started working at that hospital. That’s the only question that still stands out for me.

[@sabinemeyer3899]

Dept. Supt. Hughes said that there is no explanation as to why Lucy Letby killed. I'm surprised at the lack of interest in how killers are made. Lucy Letby grew up as an only child with smothering parents ( according to people who knew her as child). Her parents made her the centre of the world and treated her as someone special. They even congratulated their daughter for her graduation via an advert in a paper. This smacks of look at me narcissism on the side of the parents. When children's wings are clipped by suffocating parents, they cannot develop normally. It's a situation that causes complex trauma ( compare Tim Fletcher's videos). When Lucy Letby came into young adulthood, she must have had a rude awakening realising that she is nothing special and that other people are better, more intelligent, better looking, more charming, more agreeable and more successful than she is. One psychiatrist said that she came across as quite an isolated figure who wanted control but also revenge on all the happy young families she came across in het work. She had no one to marry and no one to have children with. All she had was a sordid affair with a married man. Her parents did not equip her to cope with failure and difficult feelings. On the notes she left lying around in her home, Letby wrote that she had feelings of inadequacy and self-hatred. That's all I need to know about her inner world to understand she suffered trauma. Many people in her situation become addicted to something or implode at some point, meaning they try to commit suicide. A small number, however, explode and direct the aggression outwards as is the case with Lucy Letby. It is a tragedy that we still don't take seriously the damage traumatic childhoods cause because adults with a history of complex trauma will pass on that trauma one way or another.

[@zaram131]

This is the comment I’ve been looking for. Every article and video and comment has talked about how evil she is, but I wanted to hear from her family and childhood friends. What happened to her as a child? I just don’t believe she was born evil. Your comment is so insightful. I don’t know how you know her background, and nothing excuses what she did, but to understand, we need to know what she has gone through as a child. People don’t take the time to dig beneath the surface.

[@sabinemeyer3899]

@@zaram131 There are snippets of information on Lucy Letby's history here and there. One just has to look for them. I'm also going to listen to HG Tudor's channel to find out what he had discovered.

[@cjc201]

So parents that dote on their children are to blame, ffs she was their only child. Another thing as well, many people put graduation pictures in the local paper, it's quite a common thing where I come from. Maybe she did have some trauma in her childhood but the things you have mentioned do not equal trauma to me.

[@anika8030]

u should publish this somewhere, more people need to read this

[@zaram131]

True, it doesn’t sound particularly traumatic. There must be something else at play.

[@ds5398]

Tony Chambers needs to see criminal negligence charges

[@SunShine-oc5dj]

Sycopatic narcissist. Praying for the parents of these innocent babies. 🙏🏻

[@brianswathey]

Lol too bad god wasn’t there when those babies were murdered in the first place

[@heartlocket91]

She’s a psychopath.

[@gravy1219]

my wife talked about this case to my other children and we recently had a baby, she said "i wouldnt give the midwife the time to do this to our baby" i had to remind her that our midwife was in a position of trust and had lots of opportunity to do this to our baby, ive followed this case a lot and its just sick

[@StarLight-sl9ok]

Not sure about the rules in UK but here in Canada once you give birth a parent is always allowed to accompany the nurse. I couldn’t walk after my c section and my child needed several tests for jaundice. I remember telling my husband to never let a nurse take my child without him going with them.

[@runlarryrun77]

@@StarLight-sl9ok I've had limited experience in neonatal & special care. Not clinical staff, but enough to comment here. It's not like a maternity ward where mother & baby are close together all the time until discharge. It's a closed unit, typically with small individual rooms for the babies. The amount of care the babies need 24/7, often for weeks at a time, mean that parents just can't be with the kids all the time. You have to trust the staff to look after them while, to an extent, you try get on with normal life. Going home to sleep, eat etc. The baby is an inpatient in the critical care unit & the mother is typically discharged (unless there are complications which would see her transferred to gynea which these days probably isn't on the same site as maternity & neo natal/ special care.) Provision can be made in on call suites for parents to stay on site if the baby is critical/ terminal, but that's all. The problem here is that this woman was a killer. The conditions in which she was allowed to operate obviously need to be scrutinised to stop this happening again, but parents accompanying babies 24/7 when they're admitted into what in my time with the NHS was called a SCBU just isn't possible. Cameras everywhere & parents refusing to trust all clinical staff because of horrific but rare individuals like Letby is not the answer. It will just fuel the hostile environment that seems to be spreading to every aspect of life in this country.

[@gravy1219]

@@StarLight-sl9ok In the uk it is much the same the baby is never out of your sight and my wife took much the same approach as you and the baby was never out of my sight but they did do things to my baby or give them things that i didnt understand beyond what they were telling me, for example the vit K injection, there was nothing to say a nurse didnt have the time to put something in it that could harm my baby. I feel a bit obligated to say our midwives for both of our children were brilliant and comppassionate people that we were grateful for and in my opinion in that job role they should be

[@MH-hy9su]

Midwifery and neonatal care is very different. Your baby in the intensive care area of a neonatal unit is in an incubator with lines all over the place. You’d have no idea what a nurse was doing half the time. You also would need time on the maternity ward if you’d just delivered to be properly cared for yourself.

[@basicallyno1722]

@StarLight - these aren’t normal babies, these are NICU babies, who have to be hospitalized for numerous congenital or birthing conditions like prematurity. So the mom isn’t really allowed to just follow the nurses. However, from what I know, many moms showed up and stayed as long as they could at the babies’ bedsides. But unfortunately a mom can’t stay in the hospital unceasingly for the weeks and months it takes for these babies to be healed.

[@burntoutbakery]

As a nurse myself I wonder what the other nurses thought and if they had concerns. We’ve only heard from the doctors so far. But I can tell you this, you can spot a dodgy clinician a mile off

[@MarcSmith-h7b]

Yeah... it was only doctors who are never around really. Staff seemed to like LL. ... I thinks she been set up

[@davidconcannon5927]

I know/knew a lot of people who worked with her. The general feeling was one of astonishment. They couldn't believe that this person they knew was capable. She was very much loved and respected. However, once the evidence stacked up, it became very, very clear. They certainly had not "spotted a dodgy clinician a mile off", and that's no sleight on them. The signs are not always obvious.

[@metallicmoments7711]

For me it seems like some sort of ganging up, someone to take the blame. My daughters been in nice, the baby’s rates are up and down all of the time; I used to sit with my baby for hours and baby’s would desat during the night and might require extra help ect. I just don’t understand it

[@clon76]

@@metallicmoments7711No, the babies were definitely murdered. So who do you think did it?

[@metallicmoments7711]

@@clon76 I really don’t know it’s so severe the accusations, I’m guessing more will come out at the sentencing

[@yetanotherperson6436]

I have made complaints about two members of NHS staff and was told that I was wrong to complain. I doesn't surprise me that this happened.

[@yyclept]

Just try requesting to have a nurse who is not a trans identifying man.

[@NiceButBites]

​@@yycleptOh stfu, bringing trans people into this... 🙄😏

[@colleenshea2293]

"Evil is benign" is something most of us cannot understand.

[@mrmensa1096]

RIP to all the innocent beautiful Souls - thoughts and prayers for those poor families. 🙏🙏🙏

[@bingonamo7520]

Please stop saying "thoughts and prayers". It's just fucking meaningless and everyone says it all the time now. It doesn't help anyone, including the victims. They're sick of hearing "thoughts and prayers" comments.

[@creepingbrain]

"Thoughts & prayers" is like masturbation. It might make you feel good but it does nothing for the person you're thinking about.

[@bingonamo7520]

@@creepingbrain Yeah, imagine if your baby was murdered and someone said that to you. It actually sounds condescending.

[@dhalsim-1]

@@bingonamo7520 Some people would strongly disagree. It's actually a good way of acknowledging someone's pain and letting them know they have your support. Everyone knows you can't physically do anything or alter what happened. What would you do? Just stand there grinning like a goon?

[@bingonamo7520]

@@dhalsim-1 That's even worse. It appears you think it's ok to say thoughts and prayers to a person's face. Normally it's what people say online.

[@markwalker4142]

Nursing and medicine in particular attracts narcissistic personalities . I was married to a nurse who is unbelievably narcissistic. I divorced her because after alot of denial it was manifest , I concluded her behaviour was extremely toxic and abusive . I realised if I remained with her I’d die younger then I should from heart disease or a stroke . She thrives on manipulation and being devious . She refused to see blame on herself . When I filed for divorce she tried to ruin my reputation both socially and professionally. I was accused of all types of things and eventually the family law courts and social services saw her allegations to be fabricated . She was warned by social care about her conduct and admonished by a district judge . She’s a bad person and will never change . Do I think she’d harm vulnerable people ??? I can’t honestly say , but if someone came and told me she’d done wrong I’d believe them . The deluded godlike need to be a god in these people is overwhelming for them . Letby is not a rarity in the medical environment . Control over life and death is intoxicating to such personalities . Overwhelming .!

[@heyyou9839]

I wouldn’t say medicine in particular I would say nurses in particular

[@markwalker4142]

@@heyyou9839 Harold shipman !

[@cathykinn4516]

Recently was on the receiving end of a b itch of a Nurse. She was a show off, she Boasted about a Cardiac Arrest, sat with other Nurses at the station b itching about me, objected to me wearing a mask & mocked it by coughing OUT into the ward. An absolute cow. Reported her to the CQC. Can easily believe a Nurse could be a Killer. Some speak about us in their own languages, laughing at us. They can be threatening bullies. My Mother was Killed by Anthea Catherine Parry at Hillingdon Hospital ("the Deathtrap" locals call it) a so called Dr who could not detect a Chest Infection despite being 'sign posted' by 4 other Drs incl her Senior Dr Wills. The CQC made her explain her rationale but she "brooks no argument". Neither does Death. Drs & Nurses have too good an image because we need them.

[@dwayneforbeschalmers]

Mask 😂

[@Anonymousey44]

I'm so sorry you experienced this.

[@121mcvUK]

the fact that management were so tardy in reporting it to the police this makes them guilty /complicit in the crime , they should be held accountable too ...an apology is not enough

[@jeanselvanadan7743]

I never want to be patient nowadays its scary

[@therange4033]

Normality is how child abusers get away with things. I know. My ex-husband was a teacher and got away with abuse for YEARS. Until I stopped it. He committed suicide rather than go to prison.

[@romeowandrainbow1040]

I’m so sorry you had to go through this. Him being an abuser. Brave of you to stop it. I think it’s high chance Lucifer letby will commit suicide too

[@helenwalton9551]

How terrible for you x

[@ABloodyEyeFull]

I'm just sorry to hear you had to go through such an awful ordeal.

[@alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361]

yes Cowper was the same .......

[@ericaknesek3266]

My opinion is she is not a narcissist she’s a psychopath

[@mwd331]

I think you could be right

[@kaz2910]

All psychopaths are narcissists

[@dating6016]

​@@kaz2910😮 that was a great slip and counter combo. Well done

[@aykutlondon4784]

I think she's innocent

[@speedyboishan87]

She looks like a complete weirdo, her weak and clumsy personality, she is evil she has no excuse for what she did. She should have been assessed before getting a job at the NHS she is no Nurse but a Psychopath.

[@randomvintagefilm273]

The fact that ALL the issues and deaths stopped once they removed her is pretty damning. I dont care how nice someone is to you. That is their social face AND...People change. She is 100% guilty.

[@IRELAND_MY_LOVE]

Why didn't she just work in the abortion part of the hospital? She'd be a hero there for doing the same job, just a few weeks earlier.

[@byromtaylor6482]

A nursee once treated me and deliberately left me without pain killers a few times on purpose and I remember her laughing about it when I complained and got moved to a diff ward. I saw a asian guy get verbal abuse and spoke to in a very horrible way by a asian nurse who never realised I understood what she was saying to this poor man next to me who could not move and she was shocked when I told her off for it there are some narcs in health service but this one needs death pen..

[@bingonamo7520]

Yup, I've come across evil nurses too, here in NZ and while I was dying. I can't even be bothered repeating the story and most people refuse to believe it anyway. In part, it's the hospital management at fault, for failing to do anything and failing to hold people accountable for anything bad they get caught doing. Then evil attitudes just end up the norm in that hospital. I do acknowledge there are some great hospitals with caring staff though, so lets not be thinking the entire world is evil.

[@nadsgee7245]

Yes, I had worked NHS and I can tell you, some nurses are absolutely evil, diabolical nutcases.

[@SA-ff9uc]

@@bingonamo7520 like Shipman. They like playing god. Having the power.

[@TomUK7]

The truth is that there is something unfathomable about this atrocity that probably only a few of the the top psychiatrists and psycologists understand. I imagine that Letby knows herself that there was and maybe still is something deep in her psyche that made her do what she did that is totally alien, foreign, unknown, primaeval. I imagine she terrified herself. What needs to be established is what that thing is. Then we can recognise it in others and control it so that future lives are not lost. One thing is for sure, she will be living with and facing that thing within her from now until the day she dies.

[@TheHumbuckerboy]

It seems that the psychologists are already disagreeing which each other concerning this murderer and her motives.

[@finddeniro]

Play Book ..Lash out.. Control .. Jealousy.. Heroine .. Big Questions..

[@Marstepolovsky]

@kanajingly8957 People who commit crimes like this always have their lives scrutinized. They will be speaking to primary school teachers, her friends, High school teachers and her friends, college, university etc The whole lot. I'm going to hold my tongue until It has been done. She is probably going to appeal which means it could be some time before a reliable documentary.

[@youarewhatyouare]

I believe in later years she will be cleared of all wrong doing instead the nhs will be seen and admit the inadequate care this is the worse case of wrongful conviction in British legal history

[@roseyk7677]

Just shows we can all be fooled. When people wear one face to the world and one in darkness, we never truly know their intent. This is why critical thinking, intuition and truth is so important. I'm sure there were people who had countless interactions that peaked their senses that something wasn't right with her, or who felt they couldn't speak out. Transparency is key but does not always get translated. There are millions like Lucy among us, in homes, schools, colleges, university, politics, law, police, friendships, corporations and every other institutions, but we are forced to accept these people for fear of being ridiculed if we speak out. I'm sure the hierarchy would have ignored people's pleas, as they have in the past. It's such a shame that we all want to cure everything once the horse has bolted, instead of preventing. Sadly these babies and their families paid the most tragic price 💔

[@tristandrew5903]

Agreed ad they hide in plain sight, almost always question the 'good jobs' too as alot of irony Like Hollywood Famous donators / philanthropists who have been convicted (Saville, Andrew) Policemen who sexual predators Teachers.who abuse kids Driving instructors who abuse girls List goes on. Why would nursing be any different

[@roseyk7677]

@kanajingly8957 true! But to be honest, I think we'll hear soon enough that there were people higher up that knew but did nothing. Sad, but true!

[@KeepingTheFaith123]

You wonder what goes through peoples minds. She had a good career, good upbringing and supportive family, was young, was a pretty looking woman..had a life that others wud be envious of. What was so bad in her life that made her do this?

[@69LOLIN]

Guess we’ll never know! 😢

[@gjmottet]

Her poor parents, probably second guessing lots of stuff. When a serial killer comes from abusive alcoholic parents that do terrible thing to their children that doesn't make what happened to the victim right, but the abusive parents should feel shame at the part they had in screwing of their kid resulting in the dark side winning since it is commonly is the thing that pushes a person over the edge. When it appears the parents tried and the kid was just a bad apple, I feel bad for the parents (Ted Bundy's mom is a good example of a parent that drew the unlucky straw on the child lottery). Still you never know what is going on behind closed doors, maybe the investigation will uncover motives. My thinking is there was just something broken in her brain. Leaving notes saying she was evil about points to some undiagnosed mental illness and this will be purely senseless.

[@skycloud4802]

Evil comes in all forms. Much like there a good people, despite some them having had difficult upbringings and hardships. Evil is a choice.

[@Frederique41]

Sociopaths are absolutely dangerous.

[@Paulstrickland01]

Sociopath isn't a medically accepted term and it hasn't been used by any real respected psychiatrist since 1972 so The correct diagnosis is either factor 1 or factor 2 psychopathy or in this country anti social personality disorder. Although there's evidence she has munchausens by proxy where people who are caregivers will deliberately harm those they care for in order to get attention through the events, people with this condition are highly sadistic and narcissistic and further more she feared never having children so it's likely that she killed them in a case of "if I can't have one then no one can".

[@ayoolukoga9829]

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. 1 Peter 5:8

[@Mel-os3ld]

Nothing else but!!!!!

[@annuvynarawn392]

not true, many Sociopaths manage the syndrome well enough, most are never violent, you are mistaking it for Psychopaths who are always dangerous - there are parallels between the two but you are, sadly, misinformed.

[@juliegwilliam8503]

Matt Hancock???

[@pennylane7943]

This is such a terribly sad and grievous case! But it is equally hard to understand the negligence of the hospital leadership in their (seemingly confident) refusal to ask questions and to investigate. Where is their integrity and accountability?

[@sallyramage8439]

This is why it is imperative that there must be a statutory Inquiry as per UK Inquiries Act 2005. No matter the cost, there should be a countrywide investigation of ALL baby deaths in the UK in hospitals. We are sure to find lots more slack and negligent treatment of babies and eventually it will frighten off hospital staff brazen enough to treat life as disposable. A good dose of corporate manslaughter charges will wake up those lazy managers.

[@Chaingun]

her friends are like "We struggle to believe this!" so did Ted Bundy's wife and close friends. He treated them beautifully.

[@germain1947]

It's a sad commentary but, I think people believe that the evil one has only 1 face. He has many, Yes, many faces watch "Nefarious". This describes this, she devil nurse perfectly. All I read is talk about her. What she needs to have happen is exactly what she gave out happened to her! As the movie says most people today end up in my Masters house....

[@jaaaymooojo4934]

I’m still really confused here. So did they find out how she committed the murders and why? What was the reasoning behind the guilty verdict

[@archielogo4463]

She was looking over a baby whos monitor was in alarm when a doctor went in and he testifies she just stood there doing nothing..not raising the alarm that on top of her shift patterns coinciding with almost all deaths and hand written notes by her saying she is evil...seals it for me... beyond reasonable doubt... individually there may be room for doubt but all combined evidence cannot be ignored the multipliers are huge

[@Pandangus]

The evidence used to convict her is under question by a number of reporters working the NYT and Private Eye. It's worth a read into, they make an interesting case for the whole thing not being so straightforward.

[@ant7699]

A friend of mine just mentioned this case to me. He said that the evidence was all statistical. I'm just looking through some vids now, as I don't know anything about this case.

[@HenrysAdventures]

She's innocent and her conviction was a cover up for NHS failings.

[@nickjh1968]

Why? What on earth motivated this woman to do such appalling things? I simply don’t understand the motive for such abhorrent evil.

[@PatriciaBrown1711]

There are so many like this woman walking amongst us.

[@idi0tdetectioninprogress]

Who knows? These people feed off the trauma and devastation they cause. Its their version of a high.

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

She’s a psychopath. There is no reason other than she has something missing in her. I hope she never sees the light of day again. She will never not be a risk.

[@paulrichards6894]

its very disturbing these people are in these jobs

[@cookiecraze1310]

Maybe she just wanted to feel powerful by taking lives.

[@shutup2751]

way way too many insane people like this in society today, those with psychopathic tendencies should be in mental institutions not allowed roam the streets

[@anyatranter5588]

Most of them are working in well paid jobs with a lot of power.Mps,police.high ranking military.etc.

[@TeresaJ-rw3uw]

With so many babies dying whilst in her care why wasn't it investigated earlier on? I'm hoping that other inmates can 'get to her' and dole out justice for those innocent babies.

[@paulrichards6894]

it doesn't make sense....apparently, a doctor named her in the possible deaths but was forced into mediation with her.....they believed her not him

[@abirdthatflew]

Wouldn't be a surprise to see her put on a watch list or solitary. Kiddie fiddlers in male prisons are isolated for a reason. In a woman's prison one can imagine it's going to be especially dangerous.

[@gail9299]

​@@paulrichards6894a group of consultants expressed serious misgivings in addition to others. The management refused to listen and kept the police out of it as they didn't want to harm the hospitals reputation . They were complicit. There's no other way of looking at it.

[@clon76]

Are you some kind of chav?

[@purpleyam3285]

Because whites will not be investigated easily.

[@celinehynes3336]

I would describe her as innocent

[@frasersamuel2867]

There was a defence lawyer who stated these types of cases where there is no direct evidence rather circumstantial have all been overturned. There have been 3 similiar crimes to Lucy's and the results were overturned. I have no idea whether this will happen in this case. He went onto say they target a small sample of cases and try and find which staff member was there at the time. The mistake they make is they exclude the numerous cases where the person wasn't in attendance. I haven't followed this case but with highly circumstantial evidence is always code for uncertainty

[@helenporter7584]

It will. Lucia de Berk.

[@zameen1]

I agree the evidence is circumstantial. But her defence was weak they couldn't explain the death of those babies. They didn't bring in their own medical experts. And couldn't give another suspect. This worked against her. But she recently appealed her verdict to get another trial and it was denied.

[@birdlynn417]

We MUST use our instincts when seeing or feeling WEIRDNESS from a person or place, and sense the danger and FLEE from whoever or whatever is connected to it. The doctor, the hospital, or wherever, we must not allow ourselves to be intimidated by anything anymore, because trusting when we should not trust is when these kinds of horror stories happen. That doctor tried to get her watched or taken off her duties back in 2015, but the hospital would not. Now that is a sin. That doctor could have and should have warned other nurses about her and paid better attention. This is so tragic it is making me cry and cry and get angry too. Those poor parents.....how do they live with that now??

[@Smithpolly]

It would be nice if it were that simple but it's not. Our instincts aren't infallible. Weirdness doesn't always mean danger. Sometimes it just means something we're not used to.

[@birdlynn417]

@@Smithpolly No, I disagree. Our instincts can smell the difference, and I sure trust mine.

[@MH-hy9su]

I know all the key players and trust me I couldn’t be more gobsmacked.

[@clon76]

@@birdlynn417 What a load of nonsense. "instincts"

[@Smithpolly]

@@clon76 It's not nonsense. I think it just means that we sometimes notice things without realizing consciously that we have noticed them. So we'll know something is odd or not normal but we won't know how we know.

[@darlenedowie8042]

The management of this hospital is also responsible for the unaliving of babies because when the doctors told them, they blamed the doctors.

[@sali1023]

shes WHITE , all im gonna say

[@vkham9944]

Horrible UK health system, government.

[@smzi]

you know what's sad, she would have got away with killing the first few babies if she didn't continue, hopefully proper investigation is taken into the death of infants in the future.

[@danieltang1680]

A lot of emotions. However, not a lot of hard evidence?!

[@anthonyflynn3837]

Corrupt from top to bottom never did it

[@fatbelly27]

Well done Channel 4. Completely biased as usual. Why not interview people who knew her, unconnected to the allegations?

[@UFO1601]

It may take a team psychiatrists years to unravel why Lucy Letby would do something like this. The concerning thing is , how many more Lucy Letby’s might there be ? , maybe it’s time that regular psychiatric evaluations are carried out on medical staff , just like they are with airline pilots.

[@gjmottet]

I was reading that treating medical staff more like airline pilots with a black box and reporting standards for mistakes similar to the FAA (there was a major overhaul of the system in the 80s that destigmatized mistakes and made it easier to figure out exactly what went wrong and fix it before small problems became big problem).

[@mooncatandberyl5372]

how do you expect psychiatric evaluations to work when the psychopaths n sociopaths include psychiatrists nurses etc working in mental health? they know the diagnostic criteria and therefore know how to hide it within themselves and know how to lie about themselves.

[@abscondis]

I would be interested to know if the doctor she was infatuated with was the doctor on call for the neonatal unit during the periods when the babies were attacked and or killed. Also does the start of her 'friendly relations with this doctor coincide with the first attacks/ deaths or with the end of their 'friendly relations or during. I note she began work at this hospital in 2012 but the killings didn't begin until sometime in 2015. When did the doc start working there?How did they meet? Why did it fizzle out?

[@MsColl90]

Absolutely shameless nonsense. All these ‘professionals’ should be in trial for this travesty of justice.

[@garethparr9482]

Doubt already starting to emerge on her conviction. Don’t think we’ve heard the last of this case by a long way.

[@joevolcano6720]

So many serial killers are doctors and nurses, there's something about that kind of work that both attracts and brings out the 'killer' in people. Very scary.

[@seameology]

I used to work with them. Some are pretty demented. I had to get out of that field, too.

[@allisonhogg5131]

Trusting and vulnerable so ideal victims for a serial killer.

[@vordman]

I think some people are just born weird and like being around death and suffering. So a doctor or a nurse is the perfect job.

[@tomk3682]

It makes sense how else are u going to get close to your victims without being notice or suspected after a kill

[@heatherives8646]

Why aren't there security cameras in the babies units and wards

[@laurencedavey3121]

I work in the NHS and I'm not particularly surprised that this happened. Senior non clinical hospital management are political officers, their job is to ensure things are appearing to work, regardless of the cost to patients and staff. This means sometimes that patients die or staff commit suicide. So this is not an outlier, just an extreme example of an ongoing trend.

[@knoxieman]

I remember the unreal feeling I had in my heart the day my son was born, I simply can't imagine the horror if he had been murdered just a few days later in a facility that was supposed to be caring for him, let's not talk about Letby again but instead focus our thoughts and our prayers on the family's left devastated by her actions.

[@pauls3204]

Some of these former medical staff and mangers need some jail time as well ! They were warned and refused to take action even after some of they’re own staff repeatedly raised concerns. Seems that the arrogance and snobbery of maintaining they’re own profile was more important to them than saving lives and taking action.

[@JulietCrowson]

People punish whistleblowers I know as I'm one and lawyers lied about me 🕊️⛪

[@Alex-mj5dv]

We’ve had the same with Shipman. It’s actually an all too familiar tale. Medicine does tend to attract a certain level of psychopathy, but usually at the surgeon or doctor level. It’s rarely nurses. Where it’s more an onus on bedside care - being openly extremely empathetic. And I think that it’s newborns, and not the elderly, and perpetrated by a female neonatal nurse .. it makes it more shocking.

[@banksiasong]

I think doctors are more likely to go unnoticed and undetected, as their power and access to both patients and medicines are greater.

[@Cityzen567]

You do realise there are nuances between psychopathy and psychosis don’t you? How do you know which category Letby falls into?

[@howardmckenna]

When a narcissist enters these professions (unusual because narcissists don't usually enter "giving/helping" professions) it can instill or amplify the "god complex" which leads to disaster.

[@molt3n412]

​@Johnny_s81 They are completely different...pyschosis has nothing at all to do with being evil, it just a deluded trip which lasts for a couple of weeks to a month. So we can assume being a serial killer she is a psychopath.

[@VMM34]

​@@Cityzen567I think Lucy Letby has Unstable Personality Disorder and the worst case of rampant OCD that overtook her whole existence

[@declanmckenna5111]

She even sent a card to the family... Sicko. Reminds me of Ian Huntley doing tv interviews and being at the centre of everything after he killed those two girls.

[@EmilyHartley25989]

That's a good point you make about Huntley.

[@willienelsongonzalez4609]

I hope there is a proper investigation and public inquiry into the upper echelons of management that argued against medical consultants concerns and allowed these completely unnecessary and avoidable deaths from occurring!

[@lr2ldn]

The hospital administrators need to be held accountable too!!

[@marjoriestclair]

I want to know if she has any other psychopaths in her family and what her family life was life growing up. Did her parents or siblings ever see a side of her that would make them wonder about her brain and personality? My sibling tried to drown her kitten at age 4- when most children are cuddling and caring for their pets, my sister tried to kill hers by trying to flush it down the toilet. When mother asked her why she was doing this (as she rescued the kitten from my sibling’s grasp), my sibling said dispassionately, “I wanted to see if it would go down the little hole.” No empathy whatsoever for the kitten’s screams… and she’s still like that today, has been all her life. I feel she was born with a broken brain- her amygdala doesn’t function. She is a dangerous person to this day, yet married, had kids, and was able to steal enormous sums of money from her family members. So. I think these people are born bad. My parents never got help for her, even after that terrible incident. Instead, she became their golden child. Hmmm… Not that anyone could have “cured” her. I highly doubt it. You have to try and train a psychopathic child to have “empathy” by intellectualizing it, “If you do this bad thing, then you will never get what you want.” Because empathy goes right over their heads. They do NOT possess it. And they never will.

[@Tawadeb]

LL was only child

[@AnnA-jd4xm]

One of her very first victims should have raised red flags! the insulin incident! HOW did the hospital not press for that?

[@Hans-fz6cc]

Someone who’s being sentenced without any evidence for life imprisonment is something that should worry us the most.

[@snaubdca7yebf]

True

[@johnnymoondog]

Yes, Ive seen and read dozens of accusations, but no actual evidence !

[@stonerjazz]

This is rare in older non-degree level nurses who come into the profession from a vocational aspect. It all went wrong after the Midwifery council INSISTED on degrees. Now we have trouble with the arrogant, over educated, silver spoon set, who want to earn, not care. ALL NURSES and care professionals must be checked over regularly by a psychoanalyst as part of their job. Its too important just to trust senior managers to guess, as these managers are tasked with running wards and keeping staff above the needs of safeguarding patients. Stop the degree regulation for non tecnical nursing and bring back inhouse checks via mentors and matrons. There should be on the ground supervision, not distant whistleblowing which is not working. (Community HCA 13 years.)

[@justadude8369]

Managers were alerted several times by 7 different consultant doctors. They chose to do nothing, not because they were busy running the wards, but because they were busy protecting themselves and their own reputation.

[@WhathappensinMaine]

How was Beverley Allitt trained?

[@stephenkissane4268]

There is no way she was doing all the killing

[@LICKSTERxx]

I said she could be a patsy from the start

[@BMC867]

Anyone who can't imagine how a nurse could do this has never worked in a hospital and gotten a sense for how many nurses actually are.

[@BMC867]

@ImmanGold Hospitals are a spiritual battleground. Everyone needs to be vigilant.

[@abertolucci9780]

Why did the media ignore this trial for 10 months?

[@davidkeenan5642]

There were reporting restrictions, justifiable restriction IMO.

[@dhalsim-1]

Are you mad? People were getting mis-gendered out there!

[@Tom_-]

I wonder how long it will take before we hear the actual truth - that she was, most likely, scapegoat.

[@MarionBurgess-s7e]

Why are people encouraged to be whistleblowers, then when they report serious issues they are not listened to and often have to leave their job. This is the outcome of such issues, i have worked in the care profession for over 50 years i have seen a lot of things that were wrong in the workplace and when reported it was brushed under the carpet, because people in management do not want to deal with the mess ahead, simple as that

[@6brman224]

It's funny, but since March 2020 I have learned to question absolutely everything stated by 'authority'. I've no idea about whether Lucy is guilty but that there is corruption in high places I have no doubt. I'm not the only one either.

[@EppingForest304]

Never heard someone described as “beige”!

[@bigearedmouse17]

The Managers within this Hospital behaved CRIMINALLY and Need to be held accountable Not walking into Other Million pound contract,s within the NHS !!!

[@leximason2408]

It's abhorrent how the management hid these horrific crimes and I hope they all face charges and get imprisoned.. there can be no more cover up and heads must roll

[@jsmith3980]

The banality of evil, a 'beige' killer. RIP to all those little ones and condolences to their families.

[@rdubitsk]

The lady who ascribes bordeom as a motive s ridiculous.

[@MassMood]

yes total garbage

[@daddymulk]

It has now emerged that at the time when infant mortality rates spiked at the Countess of Chester hospital between 2015 and 2016 - the years in which Letby was convicted of killing the infants - the bacterium Pseudomonas aeruginosa had colonised taps in the nurseries of the neonatal unit, including intensive care. Pseudomonas is known to be lethal to vulnerable babies. In 2012, a premature baby died and 12 others needed treatment at Southmead Hospital in Bristol after an outbreak of a water-borne bacterium.

[@B.E.A.T.K.I.R.A]

Every single new NHS staff member should have a psychological evaluation before working in care. I’m an ex nhs employee. I saw one to many times how SOME nurses treat patients… this is when a monster is allowed to study medicine and there are ( in my opinion) still monsters working in the NHS.

[@audie-cashstack-uk4881]

So ticking some boxes would help OK lol

[@mooncatandberyl5372]

how do you expect psychological evaluation to work when the psychopaths n sociopaths include psychiatrists n mental health nurses whom know the conditions inside out and know how to hide and lie about themselves?