Who Killed Brian Jones? The Theory Explained | Vinyl Rewind

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[@chorn82]

Brian Jones added a 'Colour' to The Stones songs that was never to be found again once he left the group.

[@djdac7451]

SO true, he did add a colour that was never to be heard again. Even though the Stones did have some good albums and songs after Brian, the group was never the same after him, in my opinion. With Brian, it was the Rolling Stones, after his death, it was now the Stones.

[@scottbubb2946]

I kinda feel like maybe he would've fit in with The Yardbirds better than the Stones.

[@Steve0supreme0]

@@scottbubb2946 it’s funny cuz Keith Relf was also a blonde guy with a similar haircut who could also play some great harmonica lol

[@scottbubb2946]

@@patgalvez4563 The stuff they did with him is my favorite.

[@johnwatts8346]

yeah, he did indeed, but he also failed to progress in any way as a guitar player. and sticky fingers is the definitive / signature stones lp. full of clearly better guitar playing than any previous album.

[@JacqueBruce0]

Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, and Brian Jones in a band, that would’ve been the greatest band of all time

[@Godskingdomwithin]

Actually, on The Rolling Stones rock and roll Circus, John Lennon, Eric Clapton , Keith Richards and Mitch Mitchell did a number together/. Now that’s a super group!

[@mattgilbert7347]

A Toot and a Snore bootleg features Lennon, Harry Nilson, Stevie Wonder, Paul or Ringo on drums.. couple others I can't recall. Imagine if they formed a cohesive group. That'd be something.

[@_gorillazfreakinc._2]

Not without Paul McCartney though. Paul was the ying to John's yang, both musically and relationship-wise. Especially in the later years of the Beatles, Paul "sabatoged" (In John's own words) John's songs, into the masterpieces they are. Such as Strawberry Fields Forever and Across The Universe. John's music just isn't the same without Paul.

[@Godskingdomwithin]

@@_gorillazfreakinc._2 Even more so, I feel, that it’s Paul’s music, that was just not the same without John’s influence on him. Either way, what a spectacular legacy for John and Paul!

[@williardbillmore5713]

Hendrix wanted NOTHING to do with Jones after he crashed his All Along the Watchtower recording session and he played piano so badly he had to be asked to leave by Jimi. It;s all on tape. kzbin.info/www/bejne/foGUcqOgl72SZ68 Lennon also knew that Jones was a total flake and a drunk who could never be relied upon to be sober enough to perform at any given moment. Jones's brain was fried. He couldn't even contribute to Sympathy For The Devil, though Mick and Keith tried to teach him the groove he just couldn't get it ...Brian's coordination and ability to strum simple chords in 4/4 time was gone. That part of his brain was already fried.

[@davidkeys4284]

Brian Jones is the founder, not co-founder.

[@IMeMineWho]

Yes.

[@robgronotte1]

One person can't start a band alone.

[@simballa660]

He is the one who put the ad in the paper that mick and keith answered

[@IMeMineWho]

@@robgronotte1 Are you in a band? Nope. I have been in bands for years and worked at the labels. In most bands that I have been in and those I know, there are 1..maybe 2 people who do the heavy lifting. That means advert for band members, organize rehearsals, obtain bookings and cultivate image. Brian was that guy as John and then Paul were for the Fab 4, Pete Townshend is for The Who (although arguably Roger as well), Alice Cooper was for Alice's band, etc.

[@robgronotte1]

@@IMeMineWho lol, being in a band doesn't mean you decide definitions. "Heavy lifting" doesn't determine who is a founder of something. If someone was an original member, and the band didn't exist before he joined, he is one of the founders.

[@TheaterPup]

"I saw him a few days before he died. He lived down the road from me, the house he lived in was very close to mine. You know I loved him a lot. I could have killed him, the amount of times he was so objectionable. He was a really...he was one of those blokes, man, that you could kill and love. We're talking about a love/hate relationship, I think everyone involved with Brian it was a total love/hate relationship. But my love was always more in excess than the hate."--Charlie Watts

[@Arya-1111]

whatever to Charlie Watts he only wishes he could have been him

[@peterm1826]

Right.

[@jonathanmitchell9886]

The coroner's verdict--"death by misadventure"--is often quoted, but something else in the autopsy report almost never is: the fact that there were punctate hemorrhages in Jones's brain. (See top of report at 16:57 in the video.) This sometimes occurs in cases of epilepsy, and Bill Wyman--who roomed with the late guitarist for years on Stones tours--has speculated that Jones was an undiagnosed epileptic. But the hemorrhages may also have been the result of physical trauma. Either way, this detail is nearly always overlooked and deserves more scrutiny.

[@williardbillmore5713]

The hemorrhages could also be the result of a decade of drug and alcohol abuse bringing on epileptic-like seizures from non lethal overdoses and delirium tremens brought on by ethanol withdrawal . Brian's liver was 2X it's normal size and his heart was equally swollen .. He had to know he was killing himself but he showed no signs of slowing down.

[@jonathanmitchell9886]

@@williardbillmore5713 It's true, Jones did a lot of hard living--especially during those last three years. Wyman seems to recall a number of unusual behaviors on Jones's part from quite early in the chronology of the Stones, but I'm not sure how severe his substance abuse problem was in those early days--certainly not as severe as it became.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@jonathanmitchell9886Heart and Liver twice normal size? That kind of toxicity reaction in a 27 year old doesn't happen in a couple of years or with moderate use. He was also a very heavy smoker of cigarettes and drugs and an asthmatic since childhood. Jones had to have been using and abusing drugs and alcohol, at least moderately for a decade to be in that bad a shape. The next stage in alcoholic liver disease is irreversible cirrhosis and death. Combine that with his constant daily use of powerful psychedelics like LSD and mescaline in his last few years, it is easy to see that he didn't have too much longer to go, even if he didn't have a comfortable heated pool in which to pass out. By far, Brian Jones's worst enemy was... Brian Jones.

[@williardbillmore5713]

Epilepsy seizures can be brought on by amphetamine and alcohol abuse especially when combined with psychedelic drugs. Anything that happened to Brian was self inflicted. He was his own worst enemy.

[@jonathanmitchell9886]

@@williardbillmore5713 And Bill Wyman, who actually knew Brian, disagrees with you. I don't doubt your certainty with regard to your own feelings, but it's mathematical certainty that interests me.

[@muzgash]

The weirdest thing about the death of Brian Jones is how Mick Jagger and Keith Richards reacted to it. I'm yet to see an interview where they show any sense of sadness or regret. For some reason they've always downplayed his importance in the early Stones.

[@TheaterPup]

I suggest you watch and read more.

[@williardbillmore5713]

He brought very little to the band. They got bigger and better just after they got rid of Jones and they got a real guitarist.

[@Arya-1111]

exactly as they are guilty

[@williardbillmore5713]

There really wasn't much to downplay... Jones did very little for the band's success.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@Arya-1111 Guilty of what? Making Brian wealthy and famous for doing very little in return?

[@KealohaHarrison]

I think if Brian was killed it was by accident, whether it was Frank holding him under the water while they were roughhousing or a combination of drugs and alcohol and warm weather and asthma putting Brian to sleep in the pool. Whatever happened, we lost a truly great musician and fashion icon that night. RIP Brian Jones, we love you.

[@elenikorkodelaki2695]

Love forever Brian Jones 💞

[@Rubarb51]

Brian Jones was murdered by The illuminati in ritual sacrifice

[@williardbillmore5713]

Bullshite. Brian passed out and sank to the bottom from amphetamine and alcohol use that day. Nothing more nefarious than that happened. He didn't even have enough water in his airway to officially call it a drowning. By the time he was fired, Brian was a deficit to the bands forward progress. He was holding them back.

[@kubhlaikhan2015]

Seriously, who the f*** holds someone's head under the water for fun?

[@2ridiculous41]

I used to be in the music business. I was told by a friend who worked for the Stones in the late 60s that when Tom said Frank had made what turned out to be a deathbed confession, Tom KNEW nobody would ever come forward and say "it was me". There is only one person who would have that confidence.

[@nickb5391]

I believe Tom Keylock & his heavies did Brian

[@nickb5391]

nobody witnessed Frank confessing to Tom, it's only what Tom said he said, i think Tom used Frank's so called confession as a scape-goat for himself & his heavies

[@2ridiculous41]

@@nickb5391 exactly.

[@jasmined7233]

Interesting, but what would be the motive? I know that Brian would be receiving a good chunk of the royalties from current and future band $, and that he allegedly owed Frank money etc. But Keylock was earning money from a living Brian IIRC. Did the two women ever publicly state Tom was even there that night... because as far as the official line goes, he was at Hyde Park?!

[@2ridiculous41]

@@jasmined7233 just fed up with him as he had become such a complete arsehole.

[@7JANEWAY]

I’ve always believed that Frank Thorogood killed him. As the TV movie Stoned (required watching if you’re a Rolling Stones fan) shows, Brian owed Frank a lot of money, and Brian either didn’t or couldn’t pay him. Brian also made fun of him as a man that women didn’t want. I believe both of these things caused Frank to snap, and so he drowned Brian out of revenge. Plus, how else would he know where Brian was, if he wasn’t there himself? I realize that not everyone buys into this theory. But to me, it makes the most logical sense. Bottom line: we’ll never know what really happened to cause Brian Jones to enter the 27 Club.

[@captainkirk70]

I think Frank did it too. Brian probably had no money due to Allen Klein. The Stones were broke and I'm sure Brian would have to be the last person to get paid. He'd also be too fucked up to do anything about it. Plus Brian was known to be a total asshole so I can see how that could provoke someone shady to murder.

[@nickb5391]

I believe Tom Keylock & his heavies did Brian

[@nickb5391]

@@captainkirk70 I believe Tom Keylock & his heavies did Brian

[@captainkirk70]

@@nickb5391 The only reason I think just one person was involved is I think someone would have sold his story at some point.

[@jondennis8595]

Frank and Keylock were double-billing Brian. Richards caught Keylock stealing from him, so he fired him and sent him to Brian. So F Keith Richards, super-jerk

[@clicheguevara5282]

Do one about Jimi Hendrix. He was almost certainly murdered by his manager, Michael Jeffrey. Even the ER doctor that pronounced him dead later stated that he thought he was killed. Jimi drowned in red wine but had almost no alcohol in his bloodstream - which means he didn’t get drunk and choke on his own vomit as most people think. He was also only on less than ten sleeping pills - which he already had a very high tolerance to. He was hardly on enough of a dose to OD. His gf also waited a suspiciously long time before calling the ambulance. She later killed herself. He was held down in a chair and drowned by having a wine bottle shoved down his throat. Evidently, Michael Jeffrey later admitted to a former Hendrix roadie that he had Jimi killed. ..and Jimi was telling people before he died that he feared for his life. He was also in the process of being a lawsuit against Jeffrey because of massive embezzlement. I think Jimi and Kurt are both VERY strong cases for murder. They aren’t your average “Tupac and Elvis are still alive” type of conspiracy theories.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

I wouldn't go so far as to say he was "almost certainly murdered" by anybody. Michael Jeffrey is definitely a scumbag, that's for sure; but "less than ten" sleeping pills could easily knock somebody out permanently, no matter how high their tolerance is. As far as Kurt's death is concerned, there's even less of case against Courtney Love of being anything beyond (or short of) a manipulative slut. I'm not saying that murder in either case is impossible, but it's highly unlikely.

[@chetkayeable]

Former manager Chas Chandler also thought Jeffrey was involved. He was certainly ripping him off as far as money goes.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

@@chetkayeable I've already called Michael Jeffrey a scumbag. It's a pretty big leap from ripping somebody off to straight-up murdering them. He couldn't think of a better way than: "dRoWn HiM iN WiNe!!" Really?

[@johnlauracave8169]

Wow, you make a great argument

[@xdef1ne]

I can see Jimi being murdered but Kurt, no.

[@katkk4096]

Rest In Peace Brian Jones 1942-1969 such a Good multi-instrumentalist.

[@nickolaykolev1663]

It's sounds quite bizarre the founder of Rolling Stones and gifted musician has no songwriting credits. Who took the benefits jagger and Richards. The alarm bells should have sound loud and clear. Droning in the pool it's just a smoke screen.

[@Arya-1111]

erxactly esp as he was an English major master and very poetic

[@f22cool]

RED FLAGS everywhere

[@williardbillmore5713]

He didn't drown. Jones killed himself with booze and drugs. Jones never had an original musical idea in his entire career. He was a poser and a phoney.

[@nickolaykolev1663]

@williardbillmore5713 what you saying makes no sense at all. He was a founder of Rolling Stones. He hired Jagger and Richards. He is multi talented musician.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@nickolaykolev1663 When you have been believing lies and myths for decades the simple truth may not make sense the first time you hear it. The only rock group that Brian Jones actually founded was the 27 club. Can you really imagine a cocky and confident Mick Jagger auditioning for ANYONE? Jagger and Richards were already in a blues band, The Blue Boys, that sounded in their recordings remarkably like the later Rolling Stones. They were in demand and they knew what they could do. None of the myths written about the early Stones are true.Jones needed Jagger and Richards a lot more than Jagger and Richards needed Jones. Don't be stupid.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

Asthma's a bitch, man. I only started having congestion issues last year at age 31. About a week ago, out of NOWHERE, a tiny bit of phlegm or something just slipped down the wrong pipe, and I couldn't breath for a good 20 or 30 seconds. It was insane. I kept trying to cough and nothing would happen, until eventually it did (thank God). There's no telling what happened to Brian, since none of us were there, but if it were anything like that, I would've been highly skeptical until a few days ago. God bless him, whatever the case may be.

[@IMeMineWho]

Brian's demise is a mystery. Note to Vinyl Rewind: Geoffrey Guilliano is one of the...if not THE most unreliable, slanderous and sensationalist rock "writers" ever. His books on George Harrison, Macca and Pete Townshend are basically fan fiction..if ever anyone was silly enough to want him as a fan. Having said that, I recall reading a book by a heir of a big company (NF?) that was written maybe in the 70s and 80s (I believe I read it in the late 80s or so) that alleged he was witness to the 3rd person story.

[@erniericardo8140]

Any book from Geoffrey Giuliano is B.S.

[@IMeMineWho]

@@erniericardo8140 You got that right Ernie!

[@theromulus8772]

This is without a doubt the best most professional music oriented show on KZbin. Well done sir.

[@ThomasDeLello]

Rolling Stones' bassist Bill Wyman, in his autobiography "Stone Alone" puts forward the conjecture that Brian Jones may have suffered epilepsy possibly explaining his death soon after that swimming pool incident. Because one of Brian's offspring, a girl has epilepsy and the mother has none in her family.

[@sammcbride2149]

I'm much more familiar with the Beatles and their various stories than I am with the Rolling Stones so this was all new to me and very interesting. Accidental deaths are very common especially where there is water. Looking forward to the video about the "27 Club".

[@CherylNelson-f1b]

... especially were there are songwriting credits involved....

[@theculturedthug6609]

A 100k pay and 20k a year as long as the stones are together thats massive money back in 1969. He was definitely seen off an easy target.

[@daviddeltoro1808]

You should also do a video on the mysterious and debated death of Jim Morrison

[@jasontorres7756]

A friend of mine with music insider knowledge told me she knows someone that met a retired Jim Morrison living in a small town or commune in Oregon around 20-30 years ago.

[@later_daze_4080]

Brian was THE founder of the Rolling Stones. No Brian Jones, no Stones. Brian Jones forever!

[@williardbillmore5713]

JONES "FOUNDED " NOTHING.BRIAN JOINED kEITH'S BAND THAT IS THE TRUTH The only group that Jones founded was the 27 club.

[@teo5586]

"Co-founder"...??? NO. Brian Jones was the FOUNDER of the Rolling Stones.

[@jimilee4609]

Brain pissed off Frank and horseplay got serious in the pool when Brian also told Frank that he didn’t have have a life or money that he had … I think Frank was mad at the time and Frank snapped at that moment in the pool …Charlie Watts said Brian wasn’t very nice and could piss people off easily…. Brian’s body was placed in a solid bronze Batsville casket and buried almost 12 ft under . I’m sure his body is still in reasonable condition and could be re examined Bob Dylan paid for the casket and had it flown in from the U.s.

[@timjonesvideos]

It is possible Brian was murdered. I'm sure he is way beyond it by now.

[@williardbillmore5713]

Jones effectively killed himself with drugs and booze.

[@kubhlaikhan2015]

He might not be able to collect his royalty dues but his children sure as hell should.

[@Dave-xs9dm]

After they got rid of him, the band was never quite as good after

[@williardbillmore5713]

The numbers tell a very different story, Dave... The band enjoyed a soaring popularity and artistic and financial success in the weeks and months just after Brian's departure. No Jones = Better Stones.

[@rdrrr]

​@@williardbillmore5713 Mick Taylor was certainly a better guitarist, although Brian Jones supplied some nice guitar work on the early albums (before he completely fried himself). Can you imagine "I Wanna Be Your Man" without Jones's raunchy slide playing?

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@rdrrr Yes. Yes I absolutely can. When I want to listen to I Wanna Be Your Man I listen to the Beatles... The guys who wrote it. I very much appreciate Harrison's modal and sparse treatment, as opposed to Brian's annoyingly scratchy replication of the sung melody for the break. Even though Micks interpretation of that melody is expectedly better than Ringo's singing. I guess ideally what I would like the most would be a version with Mick's singing and Georges lead break. But I suppose we can't have everything...

[@rdrrr]

​@@williardbillmore5713 To each their own. I think I Wanna Be Your Man is a lesser Beatles effort, rather pedestrian. The Bo Diddley shuffle is cool but the song just doesn't rock that hard. Wyman's insistent eighth-notes and Brian's fuzzed-out slide guitar kick up the excitement a notch. Yes, the tone is scratchy, but bear in mind it was 1963 and not many guitarists drove their amps that hard then! Personally I think the scrappy feel is perfect.

[@williardbillmore5713]

@@rdrrr Up tempo slide guitar always sounds out of tune...especially when played by a novice like Jones... Hard to listen to for more than a few seconds.

[@sticky-fingers]

Nice to watch an episode about the Stones here ! Thanx and great job

[@IMeMineWho]

Hey SF: Whooligan here with a tip: in addition to this channel, you might wish to look at Yesterday's Papers which feature British Invasion group members reviewing that week's British charts in the 60s to mid 70s. Everyone from Tom Jones to Marianne Faithful..from The Kinks to the Fab 4 to the Stones to The Who reviewing. Long live rock!

[@sticky-fingers]

@@IMeMineWho i suscribed at Yesterday's Papers'channel a long time ago anyway, thanx

[@IMeMineWho]

@@sticky-fingers Yw!

[@DrTomoculus]

If you got 30 unaccounted minutes, and after those minutes, everyone's story changes, someone's guilty. It doesn't matter if Brian had a fit in the water, or Frank killed him. What they did after they found him tells you what the deal is. Janet's telling the truth. She realised to bring him up she did not have the strength to do it. It means Anna can't do it either. She has to call both of them, and I'm pretty sure Frank has gotten as far away as possible, hoping no one finds him til morning. Or a little while later. Janet happening to check on him was Brian's last hope. Frank & Anna are telling the truth about being in the water to pull him out. They need both to pull him up. One can't be doing the pulling up to hand him to the person waiting by the poolside. It just won't work. Whatever happened to Brian in those 30 minutes he was with Frank, Frank is responsible for his death.

[@kubhlaikhan2015]

Frank and at least two other men according to at least 2 witnesses living near the house. Not an accident, not a spur-of-the-moment murder. Premeditated assassination.

[@tommydeamon7657]

I didnt say this but just maybe the record label had something to do with him hendrix Morrison etc

[@bretthines1020]

The Stones have always been a dark, witchy band. Light or Dark, Uppers or Downers, Mary Ann or Ginger, The Beatles or The Stones…

[@Skycladatdusk78]

Dark, Uppers, Ginger, Stones

[@TotoisBored]

I already know this'll be a great episode! R.I.P Brian Jones

[@raymondroberts8709]

Brian lie dead poolside from midnight until 6 am. The only ambulance in the area was used transporting Frank Thorogood to hospital with a hand injury.

[@margueritemazzeo2904]

😭😭💔💔

[@TheEWFX29]

Great episode, keep it up.

[@Kieop]

I think the lack of time between Frank leaving the pool and Janet finding Brian actually supports the conclusion of accidental drowning. Some people find that suspicious, thinking he wouldn't have had time to drown on his own, so you would need the time that he and Frank were together. However, drowning is called the silent killer for a reason. It can happen very quickly and very suddenly. Even conscious people rarely splash about or cry for help. Being a strong swimmer is not going to make any difference if you are unconscious, which is likely the case here. But drowning can be reversible if treated quickly enough, so it is odd that CPR did not revive him at the scene. Perhaps they were doing it wrong; though Janet was a nurse...

[@captainkirk70]

I can't see a paramedic doing anything a nurse couldn't do? Especially in 15 minutes. Suprised he did't have opiates in his system. Benzos plus opiates would have certainly done it in a heartbeat. But it was either a blackout or Frank.

[@Kieop]

@@captainkirk70 Yeah, the odd thing to me is that he didn't respond to CPR. Janet and Anne say that they gave him CPR until the paramedics arrived. Additional drugs weren't needed to make him drowsy enough to pass out in the water. Alcohol is sufficient, but additional drugs would have made it more decisive and may have explained why he remained unresponsive. But the coroner's report makes it seem like he should've been responsive.

[@williardbillmore5713]

There was barely enough water in his airway and lungs to even call it a drowning. In the interest of medical accuracy his COD was changed to "death by misadventure" in the coroner's report for that reason. It had first been assumed that it was a drowning because he was reportedly found at the bottom of his pool... But Brian may have just died from asphyxiation from repressed respirations after passing out and sinking to the bottom of his pool. He had consumed a lot of alcohol and an enormous amount of amphetamine that night along with his prescription drugs and asthma inhalers. The toxicology report tells much more than the autopsy about his condition. There was more than eight times the a normal dose of amphetamine in his urine and the equivalent of seven shots of whiskey in his blood alcohol level. No one knows how much acid he did that day. There was no test for it. But it was known that he would do hit after hit sometimes for days at a time.

[@Kieop]

@@williardbillmore5713 Thanks. I was not aware of that. If he didn't drown, that could explain why CPR didn't revive him at the scene.

[@williardbillmore5713]

His fan base love to make up murder mystery stories about who killed him and why...But the sad and boring truth is that Brian most likely just passed out from the drugs and the booze as he had done so many times before. But this time he did it alone in his swimming pool@@Kieop

[@Francia-om6oy]

Frank Thorogood, on his deathbed, admitted to drowning Brian Jones in Brians own swimming pool.

[@martybaggenmusic]

Eric... the only thing getting in the way of your 1970's interior design consulting business (the carpet beneath the turntable and classic orange sofa speak for themselves) are your superb skills as host for this wonderful channel. The Kudos Knob is cranked to 12.... well done.

[@dixielandfarm]

I believe the Third Man theory with the taunting/bully workmen who wasn't expecting Brian to be that fragile and it went too far. Then again, maybe the Frank theory (which is similar).

[@heart_of_Pluto]

Jones was the Stones. Damn shame what happened to him. If he was murdered, who knows? All i know is, those dudes in the band that fired him like they didnt need him STILL year after year, decades, played tours that featured the same Jones era stones songs, (up until Watts' recent passing). now why is that you suppose?? Cus Jones was the Stones, they wrote the best music with him in the band and havent been as good since.

[@wifikraftofficial8645]

He could’ve been 81 years old now

[@PaulFormentos]

With his drug problem? Never woulda made it past 30.

[@carlkarasZoNoNine]

that makes 3 mysterious deaths of artists managed by Alan Klein: Sam Cooke, Jones and Lennon

[@IMeMineWho]

Weird. I did not know about Sam Cook nor did I put that together. I am glad Donovan got away and that Pete Townshend smelled a rat with his beautiful beak and refused to have The Who sign then! However don't you think AK would want them alive..he would squeeze more $$ out of them then.

[@carlkarasZoNoNine]

@@IMeMineWho makes you wonder though, no?

[@IMeMineWho]

@@carlkarasZoNoNine That it does Carl. That it does.

[@Clay3613]

Lennon was shot by an unhinged fan...how is that mysterious?

[@MrBmick79]

you think he had anything to do with Brian EPstein?

[@randyking3057]

Bill Wyman believed Brian had undiagnosed narcolepsy or epilepsy. I think I heard Wyman speculate he had a "fit" and simply drown

[@kubhlaikhan2015]

Wishful thinking.

[@PeterPlayhouse2043]

If you ask me, any track in the Rolling Stones' discography credited to Jagger-Richards shouldn't even be credited to Jagger-Richards. It should be credited to Nanker Phelge instead.

[@johnbiles419]

I really love your history videos (and the production ones). Thanks for a good investigation of this problem.

[@arar8792]

i think brian was murdered

[@williamhenderson8371]

I agree with your overall assessment. However, I would describe it as such: I think the comorbidity’s of severe asthma and substance abuse histories, followed by the environmental factors of extreme heat and pollen season, and the circumstances of having consumed unhealthy doses of drugs (prescription and/or illegal) and possible exhaustion from swimming (he was young but he didn’t live a very healthy lifestyle); all adequately explain his death. Little or no additional outside action would be needed to result in a fatal outcome for Brain. Unfortunately, when you begin stacking so many potential dangers together, you can cross a line that leads to death without even realizing it.

[@doccyclopz]

According to Steve Marriot's Biography, he had asked Brian to join Frampton and himself in their new band and Brian was keen to join them later that month to jam and give it a go.

[@paulsurelynotsmith8179]

Brian should have left the stones long before he was shown the door in 1969 he had was going to do it between 65/66 but didn’t then again in late 67 after the Moroccan trip with Keith n Anita but was talked out by Mick ..on his death it’s my belief he was put on before he was found in the pool quite long winded why I believe that murder don’t think it was meant to murder him but awful lot of covering up appears. To have been done I believe Brian would have gone on to better things had he lived sadly we will never know what he could have done music wise

[@TazBuckfaster]

Explain the fresh (not chlorinated) water in his lungs.

[@TheaterPup]

Fresh as in "not the ocean."

[@charliedontsurf70]

I'm completely convinced it was Frank Thorogood.

[@garylynncook1560]

I wouldn't keep that lighted lamp so close to those albums in the backround.

[@williardbillmore5713]

The dedication and complete immersion into musical creativity that Keith and Mick threw themselves passionately into early on..They wrote many songs for other artists, many of them hits, before they attempted to create musical vehicles that suited their own abilities. That is when they "found "Themselves. That is when they learned and developed their craft. Brian contributed nothing whatsoever to that difficult process. He only wanted to copy other people's blues songs he could memorize and ape on stage in a handful of London blues clubs. He had no vision for the band beyond the scope of that narrow and limited plan. Mick and Keith both had massive natural talents and they both were smart enough to know what they had and how to cultivate those talents into a desirable commodity that suited their performance abilities, talents and tastes. There is nothing easy or guaranteed in any of what the did. The Jagger Richards team was destined for greatness regardless of who came along for the ride and that is pretty much all that Jones did was to come along for the ride. and to jealously and thanklessly criticize their achievements that made him wealthy and famous...

[@johnmitchelljr]

Thank you. Well done video. Best summation of known evidence.

[@mattgilbert7347]

I'm a former high-level competitive swimmer and an asthmatic. I used to keep an inhaler at the starting block end of the pool where I trained. Enough drinking and drugs and all my training and fitness would count for nought. I think it's most likely that Brian Jones' death was accidental drowning. Death by misadventure.

[@Myman989]

I think Brian Jones was murdered

[@Danjoker.]

This is great! I always enjoy these strange and unsual tales. Hopefully we'll see one about Jim Morrison's death.

[@IMeMineWho]

Way too much written on that.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

If there is way too much written about that, then it's all the more reason for him to cover it - if only to drown out (unfortunate pun not intended) the noise of misinformation.

[@Daneiladams555]

Heart failure I believe

[@conspiracyx8916]

You should do a video on Bon Scott of AC⚡DC there's a mystery to his death

[@PaulFormentos]

Booze o.d. No mystery.

[@shandonsahm3343]

I'd like to see one on Cobain.. Soo many Theories

[@daviddeltoro1808]

You should do a sual video on the lives of Tim and Jeff Buckley

[@clicheguevara5282]

I lived in Memphis when Jeff died. HUGE loss to music!!

[@IMeMineWho]

Yes.

[@Saturday8pm]

Jones, in the months leading up to his death, was given to blackouts. Charlie thinks he suffered one swimming.

[@RobertRoth-oj6zz]

I read somewhere that Frank Thorogood confessed on his death bed to Tom Kaylock about murdering Brian Jones.

[@salimadam104]

Who knew that you wouldn’t solve a decades old mystery in 20 minutes? 😉

[@IMeMineWho]

Lol.

[@Cautionary_Tale_Harris]

Hold on... Frank says he left the pool to go to the house to smoke a cigarette...in 1969? X

[@NinjaMatt2201]

Yeah, everything I've heard is that towards the end, Jones was doing so many drugs that he was unreliable. He was barely showing up, always super late, didn't appear to be in any condition to play anything significant. He barely played on his last Stones album, I think he played guitar on only one song and was otherwise only playing tambourine or shakers or something. You aren't supposed to mix prescription drugs with alcohol. It can slow your heart down too much, making it prone to just stopping. Especially when it's someone like Jones, who's drug use had probably damaged his body by that point. I don't think he needed help dying. Sad story.

[@IMeMineWho]

Except that according to Donovan's wife and Brian's ex, politics were involved trying to shunt Brian to the side years earlier..and Brian contributed to The Beatles' You Know My Name' around the same time frame and Brian's gf at the time said he was getting his drugs under control.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

​@@IMeMineWhoI'm not convinced that these interpretations are mutually exclusive. Brian very well may have had his drug use under control, but he could still have been using them recreationally. Mixed with alcohol, and especially if his tolerance had gone down, that could still have devastating consequences.

[@NinjaMatt2201]

@@IMeMineWho He combined prescription drugs with alcohol and had a large amount of an elicit drug in his urine.

[@SuperAnimelover100]

@@IMeMineWho Alexis Korner visited him in late June 1969 and noted that "Jones was happier than he had ever been" and Brian had demoed a few of his own songs in the weeks before his death.

[@IMeMineWho]

@@SuperAnimelover100 Yes. He had a steady girlfriend, and had cleaned up his drug habit. And no single 27 yr. old would bother redecorating his house if he planned suicide.

[@mnbv990]

Brilliant in depth analysis, well played sir!

[@pentegarn1]

I read his girlfriend Anna Wohlin's book and she pretty much says he was murdered by a disgruntled worker on his estate. She also says when she tried to say that....the Rolling Stones management forced her on a plane back to Sweden.

[@dennismason3740]

Fame and fortune and Brian chose the guy ripping him off because he was better than no male to talk to. Fame and fortune doesn't buy friends.

[@jimilee4609]

Angus Somerville was the one who performed the forensic examination on Brain

[@56cadd]

Were drugs found in his brain ?

[@matcoffidis1135]

I dunno. I don't trust people who write books. All of the theories have various holes/inconsistencies too. I have a hard time with confrontations myself, so I know what that's like. I'm finally getting around to speaking my mind...can be tough. It still could be misadventure, perhaps there was paranoia on those involved? I dunno. Great video none the less. I just adore your channel. The music recommendations, the reviews of new releases/old releases, the making of vids...just great stuff! Thanks... ✌️

[@mygreatbigfoot1679]

Black bombers were time released speed not a sedative. There’s a theory that he was placed in the pool.

[@captainkirk70]

"Bit of a drug and alcohol problem?" Dude, he was kicked out of The Rolling Stones for doing too many drugs. That's more than a "bit". Too bad he couldn't call someone like Mick to help him with the workers and get them out. Mick would have been clear headed enough and have the power to get someone there. Brian would show no signs of struggle if he was fighting for his life in a pool. I think he was murdered and possibly with the consent or provocation of Allen Klein. He was very upset about the amount of money the Stones awarded Brian. And Klein was a bit of a gangster.

[@captainkirk70]

As far as a Golden Goose, Brian couldn't function anymore and was unable to contribute to the Stones for years. And who knows if he'd be under contract by Klein as a solo project? By that time the Stones knew they had made a mistake with Klein and were trying to get out of their contract. But Allen would be liable for any financial decision made by the Stones so that payoff would have legally come from the money Klein was trying to withhold. I think everyone knew that Brian was a lost cause by 1969. He was a total alcoholic and drug addict. He could have died at any time. If he was going to start a band with Lennon it would be found out at the first session that he was a mess. Plus Brian wanted to be a bluesman. That was his issue with the Stones. I can't see a band with Lennon being an authentic Blues band. Maybe if Hendrix was really involved they could have tried that but Lennon hadnt been playing the blues at that point.

[@captainkirk70]

The Jones/Lennon/Hendrix project would probably be doomed. Who would be their manager? Lennon and Jones had been under Klein but Hendrix had his own shady management. Who would be their label? All three were on different record labels. Just wouldn't have happened especially in those days.

[@wildbill2122]

@@captainkirk70 really? Explain 'Yer Blues"....'If I aint dead already....'.

[@captainkirk70]

@@wildbill2122 I'm not following you. Are you saying Yer Blues was written about Brian? While he and Jimi were still alive? Yer Blues was just a one off live performance. Much different than forming a real group and recording albums. Plus Brian was way too far gone. Jimi kicked him out of a session. What would have been his contribution? He couldn't write songs, barely played guitar.

[@kubhlaikhan2015]

Brian's drug use is wildly exaggerated. He did the occasional black bomber and smoked dope - just like Jagger and Richards. Drugs have nothing to do with his alienation from Jagger and Richards - it had more to do with them sleeping with his girlfriends and jealousy that he attracted more attention. There were musical differences too - Jagger just wanted to do old R&B numbers like the early albums but Jones was pushing them to be more progressive and psychedelic.

[@peterm1826]

He was murdered. He was an excellent swimmer. When the stones came to Australia. They visited the beach and Brian swam so far out to sea they lost sight of him. When he finally returned to shore. The stones were angry. A neighbour said there was a party going with around 6 or 7 guys. And when he the neighbour went down to see what was happening he said he saw them around the water well. And saw them dunking something and cheering eventually they carried what they were dunking into the pool. He told the police but the police couldn’t prove it.

[@alwaysfree4053]

Mick & Keith did it.

[@theculturedthug6609]

Nothing would surprise me anymore...they didit go the funeral either.

[@attiliofiordirosa2977]

Mick and Keith watch him drown.

[@estuardoarroyo4758]

I love these kind of videos, you make them so engaging that I can’t help stopping whatever I am doing to watch them. Keep it up!

[@WaitingtoHit]

Closely examine the giant bags under his eyes in literally every photograph for years. This dude had no business being anywhere near a bathtub-let alone a pool-in his heavily medicated condition. I don't know what to say to anybody who honestly thinks there's a mystery to solve here. Least surprising drowning death of all time . . .

[@marivg8948]

1969 was a dark year for the Stones 👀

[@camoss3724]

Brian had a bit of a drug and alcohol problem? That's the understatement of the year. When the Rolling Stones say you're taking too many drugs, you're taking too many drugs.

[@TheaterPup]

It's more accurate to say the other Stones weren't taking too many drugs until the 70s, after Brian was gone. Plus the drugs that arguably gave Brian the most trouble were actually legal.

[@kubhlaikhan2015]

Motive. Oldham had just sold the Stones to Klein for about £1million and Klein, whose connections were mainly in the US, had booked a North American tour. He then discovered that legally he owned nothing because Brian owned the Stones not Oldham. They couldn't legally tour under the name "Rolling Stones" (and couldn't have toured with Brian anyway because he couldn't get a US visa). Both Oldham and Frank had criminal records and plenty of criminal connections. Oldham also hired Thorogood. It doesn't prove anything but it was one helluva lucky "tragic accident" for Klein and Oldham. I don't believe in coincidences when there are $millions at stake.

[@scottmclaughlin5221]

I believe hat Brian Jones incorporated the name "Rolling Stones" and would not sign it over. There was a matter of tapes Brian had of music that Jagger and Richards wanted but Jones would not give up. The money (100,000) was never received. Why would Thorogood kill him when Jones owed him money? Why was there no chlorine in Jones' lungs- if he drowned in the pool? Who had the most to gain? The next day Brian had a jam set up with Marriot and Humble Pie.

[@KaijuKillerdude]

Could you do a video on the first Beatles stage jukebox musical, Sgt Peppers on the road?

[@Linda-pw8gx]

Brian jones WAS The Rolling Stones, period.

[@abstraddic0442]

Did they check Toms GPS ? Im sure it was pinging on the nearest cell site. He was the silver goose, Mick was the golden one, on his way to being.

[@williardbillmore5713]

There was no GPS and the were no cell phones in 1969

[@williamhenderson8371]

Brian always reminded me a little of Syd Barrett. He brought something special to the band but his band mates felt that with him they were never going to quite make it to that next level that they wanted to get to.

[@TheAgeOfAnalog]

I know she was only 5 years old at the time, but Courtney Love killed Brian Jones.

[@effdonahue6595]

Yup, she doesn’t like blonde hair dudes apparently 🤓😆🚀

[@TheAgeOfAnalog]

@@effdonahue6595 LOL, but seriously, I love Courtney and I don't think she killed Kurt. He was miserable and self destructive enough on his own.

[@effdonahue6595]

@@TheAgeOfAnalog but he swears that he don’t have a gun 🙃

[@TheAgeOfAnalog]

@@effdonahue6595 he lied

[@effdonahue6595]

@@TheAgeOfAnalog 🤥yip

[@borislazic1830]

He's a legend, the others are just musicians.

[@theculturedthug6609]

Guy was murderd without a doubt.

[@robgronotte1]

What is the clip at 14:45 from?

[@rogerrhodes90]

Awesome video, you should do a video about Kurt Cobain, suicide or murder

[@wildbill2122]

I smell a 'HOLE'.

[@LannieLord]

I like your "living room" set !

[@jasontorres7756]

There are no coincidences.

[@tylerthompson1842]

That movie Stoned or whatever it’s called was very irresponsible with the whole story

[@davidrogers2085]

YOU MISSED ONE HUGE AUTOPSY FACT. IMMERSION IN FRESH WATER. How does that happen in a chlorinated pool ?

[@TheaterPup]

That just means "not the ocean."

[@mickeyray3793]

Brian was killed to prevent him from making a huge supergeoup wrh Lennon and Elvis? Wow, maybe in another universe. 😢

[@PollyW326]

I'm with you on this. I personally believe it was just unfortunate, Brian was drinking, had taken drugs (amphetamines?), his asthma, and like you said he just got groggy and ended up drowning. If it WAS Frank, again yes, just an unfortunate accident and nothing like pre meditated murder.

[@IMeMineWho]

You might wish to read Donovan's wife's comments on yhe issue as she was Brian's ex. The book "Golden Stone" is also thought provoking.

[@captainkirk70]

I would think amphetamines would have made it less likely for him to pass out? Now if he was on opiates and benzos then that would be much different.

[@PollyW326]

@@captainkirk70 That's true.

[@kubhlaikhan2015]

Got groggy on speed? That's a new one.

[@kirkveazey5860]

After watching this it seemed to me like it was just an accident

[@BlueGoat682]

Not to be nit picky but i would like to point out that at 6:09 where the headline reds "Brian Jones dead" in the article itself they reported Brian Jones was 26 NOT 27. That was a new one on me.

[@TheaterPup]

The Stones sometimes fudged their ages.

[@BlueGoat682]

@@TheaterPup my point is that that means technically Brian Jones is not a member of the infamous "27 club" ala Kurt Cobain and several others.

[@TheaterPup]

@@BlueGoat682 No I mean he was 27, but the papers were using their fake ages.

[@BlueGoat682]

@@TheaterPup cool... thanks for clearing that up. 🙂

[@Skycladatdusk78]

It also wasn't known early on Bill Wymans age, years later his birth year of 1936 was revealed, 7 years older than Mick and Keith. 30 was very old for a rock star back then.

[@capo4rm118]

I'm starting to think u working with em because every video ends the same u debunking some way bit this guy's sold there soul do u know that

[@ryustreetfighter8722]

Seems like a lot of musicians and singers die strange deaths days/weeks after being kicked out of a band that they started.

[@Joshy-g3f]

...Why? What's the reason for?

[@tommydeamon7657]

Well kieth knew him better than any of us

[@fermisparadox01]

I think Mick Jagger had him killed.

[@cecisplendor67]

MIck and keith! Keith l'ha minacciato con il coltello....

[@alwaysfree4053]

Add Keith

[@kubhlaikhan2015]

I doubt it, but they knew full well who did. According to one source Jagger had visited Brian just a few days before and warned him that he was "pissing off powerful people".

[@joejones9520]

or shallow-water blackout...look it up, can happen to anyone who holds their breath underwater