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[@JoiIsakYT]

Copic took advantage of being the only option for art students for a long time and got comfortable squeezing every dime out of artists. Im happy they have competition now

[@genera1013]

Not really. It's because of import taxes. In Japan, where they're from, they're about the same price as Ohuhu. Stinks for us outside of Japan, but it's not really Copic's fault

[@gaspachoo5046]

@@genera1013 wait, if Ohuhu is a Chinese company why aren’t they also being subjected to import taxes?

[@genera1013]

@@gaspachoo5046 You'd think, but a lot of stuff gets sent over from China for super cheap. Examples: Wish, Temu, Aliexpress. Probably because we use them to make everything sold in America.

[@cosmicwhalefall]

Did they not have Prismacolor markers when you went to school? Back in the day they were basically standard in the US.

[@mmgrove]

@@gaspachoo5046because they’re made in the land that reinvented the meaning of minimum wage and worker exploitation, if you think that chinas political flaws dont apply to these markers then you’re totally wrong ohuhu is like shein and every other Chinese brand that rapidly copies other brands and Appeals with their pricing that seems ridiculously cheaper though the working and production conditions are unknown to the consumer

[@teapotgamer64]

Something to remember is that Copics are Japanese and made in Japan and therefore subject to import taxes when bought outside of Japan. I can get a copic sketch for about 400yen, which is about $4 Australian. So, according to the price Jazza showed of $7.40, the price has almost DOUBLED because of taxes/other costs. Yes the Ohuhu is still cheaper, ($2 vs $4, but it's not 4x more). And calligraphy is still a taught skill in Japanese schools, with very soft brushes that take a lot of skill to get the shape and flow you want. Copics are still widely used as *the* manga artists markers for professionals and, from my experience, they tend to colour manga in a softer way compared to comic book artists. Different tools for different styles.

[@liddlealice431]

I just made a similar comment. Copics are japanese and their price there is not as bad as in the west, japs also have special manga paper. Copics are the first choice for many jap artists and illustrators for a good reason, the quality is top notch.

[@ANPC-pi9vu]

Copics are terrible for soft colors, though... their limited range means you have hardly any skin tones to choose from and forget about pastels. Copic are too set in their ways and don't listen to customers to give them colors they want. Ohuhu and similar Chinese brands also do have brush tip, so no, Copic doesn't have that over them. I'm not happy about having to support a Chinese company to get good art products, but frankly China is killing it in the marker and fine liner pen market. It's the same with fine liners, btw... I used to buy Sakura Pigmas but the tips break easily and the ink dries out fast... but I've tried two random Chinese brands that were superior. Japanese companies are not even trying.

[@Shiruvan]

the comparison is even wilder when you find out that even Japanese artists are dropping copics away for Chinese/Korean cheaper alternatives! I like being cheap(who doesn't), and finding alternative with acceptable compromise is same like winning a deal(who doesn't!), but I also see that there will likely be downside to all going-cheap-to-hell manners, and usually, those who truly win, is one with innovation-adaptation Japan used to be one country for affordability and innovation-adaptation, best price performance provider, but everyone just probably became poorer and can no longer afford the was-affordable. I'm putting Japanese artists into the Ohuhu user equation so tax, imports and all are pretty much moot points however I'm going for the better shiz than a bag full of plastic, artist grade watercolor paints and paper

[@shinyanakagawa8241]

Nah. Copics are still damn expensive even in Japan. Some artists there opt with cheaper water based markers like Tonbo and Kuretake, and some outright just go with actual water colors and gouache.

[@welk_lht]

I don’t see your point. So Copics are supposed to be that expensive? And what makes Ohuhu cheaper even after the tax then? If we are comparing prices straight from the country they are produced from, have you ever considered how much cheaper Ohuhu or other Chinese markers can get if we buy them in China?

[@farahs8341]

Jazza, I want one final test: fading when exposed to natural or artificial sunlight for a while + color stability over time. I have Copic drawings from the early 2000s which didn't visually age a day vs. cheap markers who lost their vividness straight up to disappearing from the page or changing hue when exposed to sunlight; like when a picture hung close to a window for a couple weeks etc. If Ohuhu can compare in that test they truly are the winners.

[@dragonchild569]

this is what I wanted to know as well. color fastness.

[@domino4843]

That's a really good test for pretty much everything, markers, paint, colored pencils, etc.

[@ophelia4825]

alcohol markers aren't actually light fast, not even copic, they all fade

[@dragonchild569]

@@ophelia4825 I thought I remembered this but it's been a while so I wasn't sure if I was remembering correctly

[@SakiKei]

If you are still interrested Scott Sava has a few shorts regarding that, he´s running a few tests. I think the alcholol one just passed its one year mark.

[@greathorn]

The increasing ease of accessibility in the digital art space killed the Copic marker tbh Every single one of my artist friends that practiced traditionally with Copics when they were younger would eventually move to iPads, Wacom tablets or otherwise, including myself. It’s much more cost effective nowadays

[@annabean3871]

Effective both just more control wise as well as more effective cost wise. I’m never replacing art supplies constantly when I do digital art. It’s a lot better on my bank account

[@seanphillips1678]

*I feel like Procreate is killing Wacom tablets and Photoshop...at least for creating comics..*

[@spntageous5249]

@@seanphillips1678i feel like procreate is not the best program for comics tbh... i havent used it, but sometimes get videos of tutorials for comic panels and whatnot and it seems very hard/rounabout... when in clip studio paint you can do the almost same thing with 3 clicks, because it is a program made for comics

[@spntageous5249]

as an artist who used copics/alcohol markers when i was younger and then started doing digital art, i still draw traditionally, but what killed the alcohol marker for me is definitely the price + incompatability with most types of sketchbook paper.... like i can get a sketchbook that can hold most kinds of pencils, fineliners, arcylic paint, acrylic markers, even watercolor, but not alcohol markers, and paper that can hold them is usually very expensive and the inconvinience of not being able to use the markers in my sketchbook unlike pretty much every other art supply is what made them so unusable for me

[@Solarstormflare]

thats so interesting. I have a wacom tablet and was doing digital art for many years but have now decided to move to copic markers

[@catceline1]

It's been at least 3-4 years since I've last watched a Jazza video.... and I gotta say, Jazza looks like he hasn't aged a day since 😂

[@ellah4693]

litterally what i was thinking throughout that whole video ahaha

[@AmneziaAztec]

same 😅 *Ohuhu..🙃

[@leobings1862]

you missed his complete identity change😂

[@pensuls7595]

SAME!!!

[@Qryan-tu5qf]

Ain’t even gonna lie I used to be a really good artist it’s been like 3-5 years since then and now I’m a basketball player and was today going through my most favourite KZbinr and this guy looks the same as 5 years ago

[@themadhattress5008]

Who killed Copic markers? Well, since working at a pretty decent arts and craft retail store, I'd have to say it's the absolutely insane prices they wanted to charge for them

[@Bickyball]

You’re just poor

[@criticalalertfrommicrosoft2590]

I splurged on a the monochrome set of copic markers and a few handpicked colors from the bin at Michael's a few years ago. Half the monochrome set exploded on my paper, I probably could have gotten replacements, but I expected more from a $60 set of markers.

[@SynthApprentice]

The one thing Copic has that no other marker brand (to my knowledge) does is a color code system that (for the most part) actually follows color theory. That makes it so easy to pick out colors that go well together, even across different color families, just by the code.

[@machokoolkat]

the copic brush tips losing their accuracy has been something that's bothered me for YEARS. seeing that that isn't really a problem with the ohuhus is life changing, especially after seeing that price difference. I'm definitely going to be trying them out next time i need new markers.

[@natalialin730]

You can buy replacement nibs

[@FruitsChinpoSamuraiG]

@@natalialin730 if those are still more expensive than a single ohuhu marker, then it's not worth it

[@machokoolkat]

@natalialin730 that's true, but if i don't have to replace them with ohuhus that's another expense that i don't have to worry about which is very nice when im on a tight budget

[@KittyWolves]

i've loved ohuhu markers for years, when drawing wiff waffles first introduced them actually! i always thought their biggest downfall was not having ink replacements tbh, but now they have them! i definitely think they deserved this win

[@Lucidly_cremated]

Drawingwiffwaffles haven’t posted in 3 months :( I hope she’s ok.

[@elliebeckett8503]

​@@Lucidly_crematedyeah currently watching her old stuff. Hope she's OK!

[@moonlark24_yt]

I love drawingwiffwaffles I actually found my art style bc of her

[@Supersteffy]

Personally, I'm kinda proud of ohuhu for starting out as an underdog and became the king.

[@TheMessyDeskxyz]

Same, I’m glad they now have refills!

[@moonshiro]

Honestly Ohuhu should say a HUGE thank you to DrawingWiffWaffles-Rin who introduced the markers to so many people in the beginning, long before Jazza (a year or so before) and then thank him too because his video on markersVS really helped them get on the map as well There were other creators along the way who introduced them, but Rin was THE source for a lot of people and then Jazza and that helped a lot too! They were smart in their branding actions with sponsorships for creators, listened to the community that tested and used their products and added and changed accordingly and all at an available price, and they became so well known that most of the time they don't have merchandise available anywhere that isn't the official website and even *there there are shortages of stock And now with the ink refill instead of buying a new marker? They are definitely up against Copic.

[@ohuhuart_official]

We are truly grateful to Rin and Jazza who played an important role in our journey, and we owe them a huge thank you. Thank you so much for your sharing your thoughts and insights about our journey! It's such an honor to have you in our community🥰🥰

[@workoutandread]

Did they pay of their opinion in drawingswiff's video too?

[@4Rgames]

they sponsored him, that's the biggest thanks you can give lol

[@norscored]

I mean, I’ve never heard of that person before. So I feel like if anyone deserves a huge thankyou it’s Jazza. I only heard of these markers through him.

[@moonshiro]

@@norscored thats you Rin-DrawingWiffWaffles has over two million followers and was the first to use these markers as a test of them and then extensively and systematically, long before Jazza heard of them or featured them on video . Don't put down one person just because you knew of them from another source.

[@call_me_ping]

I feel like this happened to a lot of the "biggest names" for certain companies in the art world. Photoshop/Adobe, Wacom, and Cintiq thought they would sit on the throne forever, but once the market got competitive people realized they are the one and only thing out there. Copic will always hold a nostalgic place in my heart cause child-me coveted them so badly. Adult me is happy with buying the cost-effective-but-quality option.

[@meganpresho3303]

I found ohuhu markers a long time ago from drawingwifwaffles and it was insane seeing them go from point nibs to brush markers and seeing them expand. I’m so happy they’re getting the love they deserve because while I love art it’s hard to do on a budget.

[@rascaljoy]

I could never justify Copics as a sporadic hobbyist artist. This may be a game changer. 😳

[@jeniajadda]

I highly recommend them! I could never justify getting a set of Copics with the price but wanted to try alcohol markers. I love my Ohuhus! I particularly love the pastels!

[@TamLeigh]

I completely agree! Im also a sporadic hobbyist😂 I love mine and I even got them on sale lol I’ve made art that I know I would’ve never been able to before using alcohol markers Super worst it!

[@mandarinmarie]

I've been really happy with them, and actually just bought my first Ohuhu ink refill--it worked great!

[@ashleynoble2880]

Michael's has a brand also if you want to go even cheaper. They're fine. I've bought them on sale for like 25c a piece.

[@Farticuss]

I got some as a gift and I've only used them a handful of times because I didn't want to waste them until my art was good enough to justify using them 😅. I'd be much more willing to put ink to paper at the price point if the ohuhu's.

[@Enocia]

As much as I love Copic, and have stood by them for so long.. I just can't justify them as a brand anymore. They are like the Apple of the marker world. You're paying for the brand name now. The ONLY saving grace for copic are their fine liners. Replacable nibs, refillable, high quality barrels, etc. Their fine liners can't be beat, though they are more pricey, they are well worth the money in not having to buy a new fine liner when ever your liner runs dry or the nib gets messed up, and even then, I just prefer them because its less waste.

[@caitlinmarie49]

But now ohuhu are refillable.

[@honeysquares]

I am editing this comment bc I misunderstood. I thought they were talking about the markers bc there tone was defensive about the fine liners (which i learned was different) No one was saying anything about the fine liners so it did confuse me but i’d like to apologize for sending a paragraph comment. It was probably confusing and a bit overwhelming. I would like to ask about the less waste part because that also confused me. Is it more environmentally friendly or something? Ik ohuhu also has their own fine liners so is there something wrong wit them?

[@honeysquares]

@@caitlinmarie49 That’s not what there talking about. There not a brand baby defending copic markers. There just defending their fine liners bc of their good experiences with them. Brand babies are people who feels such a loyalty to a brand using another feels adulterous. (If u didn’t know what that ment)

[@legitBISH]

You have always been mostly paying import taxes not really brand name

[@donmarchini43]

I do like Coptic fine-liners, but love that Sakura ink…

[@Kibbun]

my art teacher had recommended ohuhu markers to me, as i couldn't afford copics or the fancy prismacolor markers, and i gotta say- i LOVE my ohuhus. they feel just as fancy as the other brands, they go down vibrant and STAY vibrant, and of course, they're a fraction of the cost compared to the competition. i've been meaning to get more to add to my collection, and ngl this video might just have me do it!

[@noodlez4052]

As an owner of both brands I can say I have grown more towards Ohuhu brand over time. I started out with Copic after wanting them for years but they were always way too expensive, I found the 6pk sets for like $40 to start with which is still expensive. Ohuhu seems to stay juicier longer and has a more study point to stay in the lines, copic seems to flex and flow more to where it can sometimes bleed easier. Before to me Copic's upper hand was they had a bigger color range, but now Ohuhu has alot more colors. My vote still goes to Ohuhu

[@yeahgirl11]

Don't forget that Copic caps (probably purposely) have problems with cracks in them, and don't close properly. I have PLENTY of Copics that dried out even though I didn't even use them.

[@Nightfire613]

I’m not a marker person, when I tried Copics YEARS ago, it felt like if I breathed wrong I’d ruin these exceedingly expensive luxury items that I was borrowing from my brother, but seeing the affordability, range, and quality of Ohuhu is seriously making me consider giving them a shot now. I’ve seen other people using them, but an actual in depth comparison has really shown me that they punch way beyond their weight class in the art world.

[@sketchwork5317]

Ive been using the same 40 pack for about 2-3 years and they’re definitely my favorite way to color my drawings. My pfp was made by me and i used ohuhu markers

[@nonpondo_]

Yeah it definitely does change the way you look into drawing traditionally if you're practicing but the art supplies are super expensive, ohuhu is kind of insane

[@wintersprite]

I have markers from both brands and like them both. I also have a few Artist Loft and Spectrum Noir alcohol markers as well.

[@aurorafishy333]

I love my ohuhu markers! They work really well for my needs. I’m not much of a marker person but when I do feel like using them they do a great job.

[@lightskitty]

The ohuhu markers are really cheap but in my experience have quality control issues, some pens dry when new and they lack subtle colours, they also streak more and don't blend as well as copic, generally I buy all the 'important' colours from copic ie, skin colours that I really want to lay down smooth and blend well, other colours I don't care as much, though the ohuhu's also bleed more so you have to be careful. For big areas of colour like a blue sky, a watercolour wash is more efficient.

[@MadelineLewis1234]

What cracks me up about Ohuhu is that I remember when they used to be a company selling more or less random products on Amazon. I got my first backpacking sleeping bag from them and loved it. Was pretty confused when I went back later to buy another for a friend and found out they only sold art supplies. Still love my sleeping bag though!

[@YuzuRyougi]

Ohuhu is a brand of an e-commerce trading company: 1000shores. They don't make the markers themselves, but they are really good at marketing and market research.

[@Dameyification]

That’s because you were literally sleeping on them 😔

[@themadhater9003]

Funny enough I have a hammock swing made by them. On Amazon they still carry a lot more than markers.

[@nickmuffin1722]

​@@Dameyification😂😂

[@curepinkie1637]

the other day at a farmers market i went to, someone was using a weighted bag (?) to hold down a canopy and it said "ohuhu" so i guess that explains it lol

[@ratsteaparty]

This comparison is definitely lacking some important points - other commenters have mentioned lightfastness, colour standardization, and export/import taxes, but some things I’ve really enjoyed with Copic that Ohuhu doesn’t have is accessibility and the marker tracking/swatch app. While Ohuhu did finally start selling individual markers, it’s hard to find them in stores anywhere for me. Meanwhile, I’ve seen Copics in just about every art store across several countries, and several CONTINENTS. Being able to buy markers in-store is a huge deal for swatch testing and avoiding shipping costs. Since I also usually buy my markers when a convenient opportunity presents itself rather than actively seeking them out, Copic’s tracking app has been invaluable to me. I think if you prefer a softer style or you do commission work or display your art, Copics should be your top choice. If you like that “punchier” comic style or your art won’t see a day of sunlight (eg. if you immediately scan in to digital after colouring, or if you’re a hobbyist, etc.) then you should seriously consider Ohuhu.

[@wholehandedly]

Alcohol markers like this are not lightfast in general, Copics included. Art created with them has to be protected from UV if it’s left out in the light. Some dye colors may be quite lightfast, but the dyes used for those are inexpensive and ubiquitous (e.g. pthalocyanines - as in phthalo blue or green). Even the cheapest bootlegs would use them, but they probably use a lower concentration of dye.

[@vvgirl6173]

I have ohuhu. They bled quite a lot and didn't blend very well for me personally. Which led to me not using them much. I like the look of Copic markers more and the blending capabilities. I've seen my favourite mangakas use Copic in live illustrations as the results have always been beautiful and amazing to me. Copid have a lower opacity to me personally. That allows you to slowly saturate the colour and blend them. Meanwhile Ohuhu has high opacity so you always have to be aware of the colour saturation less it ruins the piece. While i do wish Copic Markers were cheaper and weren't packaged in either small/minimum products or large bulking products. Because i like a large selection of colours for a reasonable price that doesn't end me up in debt.

[@yveltalsea]

Yep, copics are much better for blending. Copics definitely aren't dead, theyre just a more professional version. It's like getting a Huion tablet over a Wacom, yes, they're cheaper and good quality, but the sensitivity just isn't up to par with a Wacom, and most professionals will use a Wacom. Or like using windsor and newton over say, da vinci, or schminke. Borderline student grade vs the best quality that you can buy. (To be fair, I don't think any professionals are using markers for art lol)

[@vvgirl6173]

@yveltalsea funnily enough i used to use a small Wacom tablet before i got a big Huion tablet on my birthday from my dad. If i ever upgrade again i would definitely prefer a canvas. Eye hand coordination isn't easy.

[@canidcourier]

I was looking for a comment like this! I watched this vid when it first came out, bought a few copics and a set of ohuhus to compare myself, and no matter how hard I try with the ohuhus and how much I hear others love them and say they're just as good as copic etc., I can't get the ohuhus to work the way I'd like. My style is definitely painterly and slowly building up and blending colour, I can do that with relatively few copic markers and can't with triple the amount of ohuhus. I've come to the conclusion that it actually depends on your personal style and colour preferences; if you do cell shading and blocks of colour and like very saturated, high opacity punchy colours, ohuhu is a good option. But if you have a more painterly style, or want softer colours, you're better off getting 12 copics vs 72 ohuhus.

[@TarotMom86]

this is great honestly. My daughter is only 8, but she is super artistic. she's begged me for Copic markers and I told her no because of how expensive they are. Seeing Ohuhu's quality along with a drastically cheaper price point, I might actually be able to get her a small set to start with. If she loses interest (or let's be real...she could damage or lose them,) I won't completely have a meltdown like I might if we got her 8 Copics.

[@noranizaazmi6523]

That’s great to hear! I definitely, scratch that highly reccomend you get a small set. Because 1) they are cheaper 2)You can finish them faster and actually use them for daily life if your daughter loses interest

[@korncobb8808]

I gave my sister my handmedown ohuhus after I bought myself a bigger set

[@pollydavies6800]

When I was starting out as a young artist (12, I'm now 19) I found Windsor and Newton promarkers/brush markers very affordable and lovely to use. I've never used Ohuhu but can vouch that some of the promarker sets are really good and I still use them as my main pens now. Worth looking into for sure!

[@WafflesssFalling]

That's a good idea! Hopefully she won't think it's "knock off" or something- bc as a professional artist I would 100% choose Ohuhu first and wish I'd known of this brand before switching fully to digital art lol. I still have all my traditional art supplies though/ still do traditional art sometimes, so I'm definitely gonna keep my eye out for these markers!

[@ellbugg6]

as someone who really wanted copic when it was popular, i ended up getting ohuhu and they are honestly so good, there's nothing wrong with them especially if you aren't like, a professional

[@J.R.Swish1]

Just the price alone makes the Ohuhu a clear winner for me. If you're not the type of person that buys an iPhone because you're embarassed of not being seen using a top of the line luxurious product, you'll obviously prefer the Ohuhu as well. Especially since they've been improving the markers consistently over the years while Copics have had little to no changes.

[@sbocaj22]

Not off of us bought an iPhone to avoid embarrassment…? Some of us actually just prefer the operating system…

[@BunnySpaceMachine]

​@@sbocaj22pfft. Oh please. An iPhone is absolutely a status symbol. Who are you kidding?

[@aardvark8229]

​@@sbocaj22Sure...then they aren't talking to you

[@laurao.o]

Ive used both apple and android, iphones are much better quality and don’t break first time I drop them. It’s not a status symbol for me, I just genuinely prefer them. Apple is very high quality, but as for value for money its not going to be the highest because of how expensive it is.

[@BunnySpaceMachine]

@@laurao.o hmm..I've been an Android user for over 15 years and have dropped my phones countless times. Never once have I broken a single phone or screen. Never once have I had to even replace a broken Android phone for any reason at all. They are built to last. I've only replaced Android phones to get newer and better models. So your claim about dropping Android phones one time and having them break seems odd to me. Maybe you need to invest in a better case for your phone.

[@7heAteles]

There’s one miss here… while you mentioned that ohuhu has refills. You didn’t talk about ink accuracy. Copic is known that colors between same color markers have no variation and the refills match perfectly. Is this the same for ohuhu? I think it’s an important test as copic are favorable for manga and comic artist and using them for sequential art. ohuhu refills and replacement markers should also be tested against this standard. At that price it is a worry

[@EuqinimodArt]

Im very glad to hear this!! I had to stop using marker art for years because Copic sketch markers are just too expensive, but markers are my favorite medium.

[@zilffer]

as a graphic student we had to buy copics, this for the fact that if you put a illustration through a scanner made with copics the colors stay true, while other markers the colors change strongly. i would like to see how this works with ohuhu. or did scanners change this much that it doesnt matter any more?

[@missseaweed2462]

That's an interesting point. I'm taking a beginner graphic design class at the moment, so I might ask my instructor about this.

[@chinchillamdgamer]

When you say “other markers” can you … be more specific please? I’m just curious.

[@chinchillamdgamer]

@@missseaweed2462do let us know.

[@zilffer]

​@@chinchillamdgamer i think it has to do mostly about the difference between water and alcohol based markers. but i also wonder with cheap alcohol markers if the are the same consistency or a mix of water and alcohol that would counter that benefit. just curious haha

[@RG_Eph]

@@missseaweed2462hey have you happened to ask your instructor? I’m super curious!

[@Cruznick06]

Ohuhu having refills now makes them a serious threat to Copic. My biggest question now is colorfastness. I'd love to see two large swatch sheets left in direct sunlight for a week or two.

[@angiepen]

Late to the party, but my understanding is that alcohol ink is inherently fugitive -- there's just no such thing as a colorfast alcohol ink, regardless of brand, so that's not really an issue when you're deciding which brand to get. If you want colorfastness, you use a different medium.

[@cosmicwhalefall]

No alcohol marker is colorfast, unfortunately.

[@jeddicus9916]

Man I used to binge your videos back when I was in my graphic design class in college, and now ive graduated and am a freelance artist, coming back to watch your videos again lol

[@Ivwin]

This should not have been sponsored...

[@sunnafae.1886]

Yeah..

[@SethKotta]

You forgot to compare how fun it is to say the name of each brand.

[@bingusdingus8239]

i feel like they're evenly matched because copic and cope work well but ohuhu is silly which is also fun

[@Cinnaschticks]

I like to say Ohuhu, sounds mischievous. Ohuhuhuhuhu. >:]

[@xAnnaxBbyx]

I am a hobbyist who picked up coloring so I have both, but I love the pastel range that copic has to offer. Ohuhu has some, but i don't love their pastels as much. I find them too vibrant for the look I go for with my art. I would recommend Ohuhu for beginners to buy a set to start their collection and have a range of colors, but would still recommend picking up some individual copics for specific colors that Ohuhu doesn't carry.

[@bendietrees]

I'm kinda shocked by the Copic hate. Yes they're expensive they always have been but they're pretty incredible. Then China comes along and rips them off which is fine but they also steal intellectual property and mass produce them all the time.

[@morezombies9685]

Same. I work a lot in black and white and their neutral Grey's have a certain quality to them that I just do not see in other markers. For full range color I wouldn't go with copic, but their Grey's are just so beautiful I cannot give them up. As with anything to each their own. Use what YOU find the best for YOUR art. If I felt copics weren't the best for the specific look I am going for then I would drop them in a heartbeat. Trust me I don't want to be spending my life savings on these things either, but I can't help what my eyes see.

[@shinryouzen]

I’ve never used any of these but is Ohuhu blendable with Copic?

[@FeyPax]

That’s my plan so far. I like the others for the vibrancy but I liked the copics for softer shading.

[@AndreaP_N7]

@@shinryouzen Not a professional, but I've used both together and they work just fine :)

[@SeaBlueJay]

I love bright art with lots of contrast so naturally in the side by side image ohuhu was my favourite. I also love how smooth it is.

[@claudettebentley]

This video is so good. I love too see the guts of the marker tip and how its stood up over time. I give this video A+ 🙂

[@DoodyDraws]

i'm genuinely glad finally the Copics fuss is coming to an end in the Art Community ! been frustrating seeing artists push this ridiculously unaffordable markers through the years .. never made sense to me ..always loved the winsor and newton markers cause they're the best markers available in my country Egypt .. but now with ohuhu being refillable it totally changes the game will definitely be looking into them even if i had to get them from abroad

[@Adinamai]

I don't draw traditionally anymore but I've seen the price of Promarkers recently and gosh is it more exensive than before ! Glad I didn't get rid of any of them lool

[@ashleynoble2880]

I really dislike the brand loyalty in the art community. I was made to buy prismacolor colored pencils for an art class and honestly I do not like them. They are overly waxy and the cores fall out all the time. I'm a big fan of using whatever works for you.

[@DoodyDraws]

@@ashleynoble2880 yes as much as I love prisma colors I hate how fragile they are

[@Cruznick06]

@@ashleynoble2880 I think prismacolors have gone down in quality over the years. I remember in middle school and highschool they were absolutely amazing. Now they're so dang fragile!

[@JH-pe3ro]

@@ashleynoble2880 People who have evaluated prismas over the years have concluded that they dropped in quality, a common story with brand names. It's one of the reasons why artists will still stick to traditional raw materials - you have a better chance of getting exactly what you want for cheaper by mixing it up yourself.

[@alesacc]

Ohuhu coming in to crush the overly expensive Copic feels like Huion and XPPen entering the graphic tablet room to crush the overly expensive Wacom it is SO satisfying 😂 as someone who doesn’t do traditional art, this video makes me wanna buy these markers!

[@lizbecker1677]

I completely agree with you. I love my Huion tablet!

[@Zahk_noodle]

I agree with you as well!

[@vickypedia1308]

I love my XP-Pen screen tablet that came at an affordable price, it's three years old now, went through multiple home moves, and is still going strong! I did get an old screenless Wacom tablet as a gift too though, and I must say I really liked how the pen felt on the tablet (felt way better than the screenless Huion I had way at the beginning), so Wacom has that going for itself. I don't use that tablet because I can't work without a screen well, especially if the tablet isn't the same size as the monitor. The hand movements just don't match up with what I'm seeing on screen. However, I could never afford a Wacom screen tablet, and I like the XP-Pen I have right now.

[@ToastyBrain]

I have an XPPen tablet, wanted to try out the brand after seeing ads for it. Took a year to get my tablet, but it was well worth the wait. I know also have a set of XPPen alcohol markers, I like it.

[@blitzie66]

my huion kamvas is my son, my child. i cherish it with my life

[@libbyzg6611]

I appreciate you assessment on every category from the feel , the brush , the blending , the color combination, the re-inking , the price and you sold me I got me the 216 Ohuhu makers and I love them 😍 this was a very well informative video thank you ❤

[@rjohnbernales]

Thanks for all your hard work reviewing all the markers. I just ordered some ohuhu markers through your link. Can’t wait to create with them 🤩

[@beesquestionmark]

I’ve always been team copic, but you’ve made me rethink it. That belly thing really makes ohuhu better, even without the price being almost 8x less per marker.

[@JAFrk]

Yea, it's 8x less because ohuhu is a Chinese brand that plagiarizes their marker design from Copic and utilizes their supply chain to undercut Copic. "OHUHU Trademark of Yiwu Thousand Shores E-Commerce Co. Ltd".

[@salishanmusic]

Fr. I love copics but at the prices the tips should be perfect.

[@someones_here]

@@salishanmusic yea, if you're paying basically a meal for 2 markers, the tips should be better than they are. But they just market themselves differently so they're seen as "more premium".

[@briarsmells]

copic looks cheap and bland compared to ohuhu in the comparison art and copic is stupidly priced as well!! Copic multipack pens are 400+ and the pens are MORE expensive then they are ALONE??? meanwhile you can get ohuhu's WHOLE RANGE for HALF PRICE?????? COME ON!!!!!

[@karenneill9109]

I love my Ohuhu, with two drawbacks. One was that they can’t be refilled- stoked to hear that that has been fixed! The other is the colour range. I prefer more ‘northern’ natural colours, and the Ohuhu are very ‘tropical’. I’m guessing at the rate they’re expanding that maybe they’ll do more muted colours- maybe call it the ‘Cascadia’ line….?

[@georgiasomething2064]

I really hope so- although adding grey can help expand said collection

[@paulaOyeah]

Rub a little WG1 over whatever you want to mute. ;)

[@lowfileo]

i hope they expand their muted tones as well living in montana its super dissapointing that i cant color my landscapes without it looking too bright for how mt actaually is

[@ulascancnarl7433]

Your channel inspired me to start drawing and thanks to your video from three years ago, I decided to go with a set of Ohuhu markers. I'm drawing now almost on a daily basis and I'm still using Ohuhu, without even thinking about changing the brand anytime soon. Thank you Jazza, for my amazing new hobby and the best tools I can do it with.

[@missyc4463]

Great comparison. Love that you used different sized paper for the number of markers- it’s the little things 😊

[@kalekain3521]

Good to see Ohuhu stepping up their game. This may be what finally pushes me to get a set. Ability to refill is actually more important to me than price. Wonder if Copic will respond to this new challenger.

[@jaclynrachellec]

The ability to refill is more important to me too.

[@JaKTheatre]

How can they? Copics are manufactured in Japan, whereas Ohuhu markers are manufactured in China. Without outsourcing their production to China (where labour laws are more suggestions than anything), Copic can’t beat that price.

[@user-jw3zg2zj2m]

@@JaKTheatre And Copic shouldn't beat that price. They should be proud of their labor practices and made in Japan status and we shouldn't encourage a race to the bottom on price.

[@RosyRosie42]

That last video felt like “Copic vs. Knock-off brands,” and I thought that getting the Ohuhu was the “AliExpress/Wish” version. But then I saw multiple people recommending them, and eventually caved and bought myself the 120 Ohuhu. Never looked back! I don’t ever plan on buying Copics now. We’ve already got a top winner for an incredible alcohol marker, and the price of Copics is just insane! Took my Ohuhu on vacation a few months ago, and my mum started using them. Before the week was over, she’d purchased me the 320 Ohuhu set so that she could have my old 120 set - she fell in love! 😍 Thank you, Jazza!!

[@nonpondo_]

I feel the same way, ohuhu kind of came into the scene out of nowhere tbh

[@RichielaurensIII]

I did the same with my mom :)

[@annafed2419]

i think something overlooked in this video is the sustainability of making the markers themselves. Like are they fair trade where the workers receive a livable wage and a proper working environment? It is information that could be hard to find but I also think its important

[@annekabrimhall1059]

Good point!

[@annemirthenies]

i think a big thing is just that alcohol markers are just way more accessible in general. i used to have a super time getting my hands on any, and now i can buy a set of twelve for four bucks at my country’s equivalence of the dollar store. they’re probably not the best, but they do the job quite well well - and im kind of picky about my art supplies usually

[@TheJezebeI]

I am honestly glad that Ohuhu exists for casual artists or people who are now starting to build their marker collection. I stuck with COPIC, even as other playerd entered the scene, firstly because as a closed system, they had the huge advantages of colour range, single-purchase and refillability. Secondly, I got insanely lucky over the years and scored huge amounts of markers and refillers at an absolute discount (even recently, as the 25ml Various Inks were discontinued). Even so, I have paid a small fortune for these markers over the years and it's great to see more options for different needs! If I were to start working with markers now, I'm pretty sure I'd go with Ohuhu.

[@xaytana]

The problem with Copic is that they're basically the Pantone of markers, every professional within every industry that has an artist position (mostly conceptual art for product design) uses them and there's some amount of expectation that a certain Copic color from years ago will look like the same color with a brand new pen, i.e. no deviation in output; exactly like how Pantone operates. Ohuhu on the other hand is just a set of colors with no predetermined expectation from professionals, that's how they keep themselves cheap. Think of the situation with printer inks, especially the higher end photo printer inks, there's meant to be zero deviation in pigment from batch A to batch Z, then you have document printer inks that don't have that standard, then you have non-OEM cartridges that're held to even lower standards; there's a similar thing with monitors, your standard monitor is within 90% of sRGB, up to the higher tier professional artist monitors that are tested and tweaked to be 100% of AdobeRGB, etc. Do I agree that standards need to be expensive, no, but the companies that produce expected standards also have a lot going on in production to keep things consistent, which does add to cost. Part of the issue is also export and import taxes, Copic being Japanese means they get heavy export taxes, then purchasing country has the import side of that which should be mostly even across the board outside of racial bias; for example here in the US the Copic 72 sets are typically around $575, though you can find discounts nearing $200, but our import tariffs have been ridiculous for a good number of years now thanks to certain politicians.

[@queenlexy7446]

Fair but who really needs those standards? I'm pretty sure even most professional artists can live with slight color changes in a different piece they are doing 3 years apart. If you make prints you also scan the artwork and can color tweak it on your PC anyways. I do hand embroidery and it's basically the same thing with DMC embroidery floss and then chinese dupes who use the same color codes as DMC but can be slightly off from the original DMC color. Funnily enough the floss dupes have the same problem ohuhu had a few years ago where you can only buy sets and not specific colors. Yes for some professional embroidery artists who do really large commisions where they will need more than one skein of floss for the same project DMC will be more consistent or maybe in high fashion embroidery where there is a certain expectation of "perfection" you need DMC but most hobbyists would be fine going with the dupes.

[@Solarstormflare]

I just came back from first holiday in years and bought some copics in japan. Ohuhu may be better but i have fonder memories of using copics in high school

[@rhoharane]

Where can I get more information about Japan's export taxes? Google has been super unreliable these days.

[@TyDmenace]

I ain readin allat😭

[@dplj4428]

@@queenlexy7446 Depends on artist or publisher or especially if using a commercial printing service.

[@natalialin730]

The images at 4:56 are from industrial design, not graphic design. Being able to use them in concept sketching is still a good skill to have and not just relegated to "traditional" designers.

[@christophercane8951]

After watching Jazza's first marker challenge I bought a set of 80 Ohuhu's for a project two years ago, they're so good. I'm really glad to hear I might be able to get refills for them now too! Having said that, I still have several Copics that I bought 25 years ago and they still work! Only light usage but still..... Ohuhu's will be definitely be my go to if I need to restock.

[@matthewscorner2990]

I have sworn by Ohuhu for years now and honestly, I always thought Copic was overrated. Then ADCArtAttack compared their performance directly to each other and found they have near indistinguishable quality between each other, meaning if you buy Copics, you're basically buying more expensive Ohuhu markers with a worse nib. And now they have refills, negating one of the few advantages Copic still held over them. I was genuinely surprised to see you legit replace your Copic collection, but I am so glad it's had such an impact on you.

[@workoutandread]

I love Ohuhu™ markers! They are my favorite markers in the world and I'm not saying that just because I have been paid to say that about Ohuhu ® makers! I Really do believe that Ohuhu© are the best sponsors and are built out the most aesthetic types of plastic!

[@matthewscorner2990]

@@workoutandread Totally agree. Even the casing feels so much nicer than Copic's.

[@aritry]

Loved your marker battle three years ago, and love this now! As a teenager from a less privileged background it's very very difficult to consider copic a medium for art, so eventually had to give up my dream. Ohuhu seems like a much affordable and now for the range an efficient choice!

[@ohuhuart_official]

🥰🥰

[@workoutandread]

I bet there is a chinese company making makers that are %80 the quality but going for 1/4 of the cost

[@majesticmythicalsart7563]

@@workoutandreadthey live up to the hype , they do not feel lesser quality even with the affordable price point. I have never been sponsored just an everyday user.

[@workoutandread]

@@majesticmythicalsart7563 Yeah sure you are I'm sure you picked up those knock off copics because you really care about getting a deal and overall quality of an item....right?

[@ryo-kai8587]

@@workoutandread We live in the age of reviews. With a little research we can find out if the reasonably-priced option really is that good, or if it's actually worth paying for the prestigious stuff. I might not go for 85% quality for 60% price, but 98% quality for 20% price? Yeah, I'd probably try that vs the name-brand and see for myself.

[@chaschuky999]

A comparison video like this should *never* be sponsored by one of the products being compared. Even if there is a clear quality winner (which I don't think this video effectively finds) having one of the compared products be paying the creator only serves to benefit the creator and the company whose product they are trying to sell - it will never be of benefit to the consumer. There's also a number of important factors that seem relatively obvious that were completely ignored: What is the volume of ink in each marker, how do the colors age on paper, and how much refills cost. Even though copic marker pricing is outrageous, this video does not do an effective job at objectively proving so. In the blind test (with a sample size of only 3) only one more person chooses ohuhu vs copic. The test of range shows drawing out the entire grid of ohuhu markers yet only a number to represent the range of copic. The rest of the tests are highly subjective and poorly executed, for example with the nib quality test it is shown as a negative when jazza pulls the tip off the copic - without mentioning the way copic advises for removing brush tips is by using a pair of tweezers to pull directly from the base. Overall this video presents itself as something it isn't - an objective comparison of two products. Does this mean the conclusion is wrong? No, I'd actually agree that copic markers are more expensive than they should be and ohuhu has a far more competitive product. That being said, I still strongly believe this video does an extremely poor job of removing itself from bias and has a firm slant towards the people paying jazza to make it.

[@percyvile]

Ding ding ding

[@KaseyWynne]

Jazza wasn't pulling on the copic nib to remove it, he was pulling on it to show how it comes apart.

[@reghoulia]

He did the same review several years ago, where Copic only won on the basis of color variety. Why would it be the same outcome now that Ohuhu has innovated and introduced a bigger range? Sponsor or not, Ohuhu would've came out ahead. Claiming it "only benefits the creator and company" is discarding the time and interest both he and his watchers put into the video.

[@itsgonnabeanaurfromme]

What a ridiculous and stupid complaint. The only problem with the video being sponsored is that he could just be lying. Simple as that. All this "no benefit to the consumer" is just stupid.

[@chaschuky999]

@@reghoulia yes I agree, ohuhu would still come out ahead if the video wasn’t sponsored, which I stated in the original comment. That doesn’t make the video an objective comparison, as is inherently impossible when being paid by one party. How does ohuhu sponsoring this video benefit a customer? It poisons the well of information available about their product. Ohuhu stands to gain from sales, jazza stands to gain from the sponsorship money. The consumer only gets worse information.

[@jennyfin]

Your price point differs in part, because Copic is made in Japan, and Ohuhu is made in China. This also is reflective of the quality differences in longevity, lightfastness and digital replication. Different countries, different standards, different materials. The better materials, standards, and longevity, the higher the price. That Copic hasn't budged much on price since Ohuhu has come out speaks volumes in confidence of integrity. All in all, you just gotta go with what you feel confident and comfortable with.

[@Yakonomics101]

Man I'm SO glad you made this decision. There is no universe in which Copic is more worthwhile than Ohuhu. Copic darn near scams their customers, while Ohuhu give the exact same quality (if not better) for a fraction of the price. Also Ohuhu customer service is the GOAT. Never had a more satisfied experience than switching to Ohuhu.

[@ghoulchan7525]

uh Copic is just expensive because of Import fees since they are made in japan. in japan they are like €2-3 a marker from what i have seen from japanese creators.

[@Yakonomics101]

@@ghoulchan7525 That might be true but for the consumer base everywhere that's not Japan, the price is simply not worth it when we have budget friendly Ohuhus available.

[@ghoulchan7525]

@@Yakonomics101 true. but just saying that they have their Premium status in the west just comes from the fact they are imported giving the impression they are a luxury. but yeah unless Ohuhu starts making strides in japan too. i don't think the company that owns Copic will do much to make em cheaper around the world too. i haven't used ohuhu so i can't make my own judgement on how well they work.. mainly because i have over 50 copic Ciao markers i have collected over the years. but i do tell people they might wanna look into them if Copic is out of their budget depending what country they are in. but where i live i can go to an art store and just buy a few more Copic markers if i want some. i haven't seen ohuhu be sold in art stores here in the NL. or even their online stores.

[@workoutandread]

@@Yakonomics101 I love Ohuhu™ markers! They are my favorite markers in the world and I'm not saying that just because I have been paid to say that about Ohuhu ® makers! I Really do believe that Ohuhu© are the best sponsors and are built out the most aesthetic types of plastic!

[@Stroggoii]

@@Yakonomics101 Westerners need to understand they're not the priority market for every company in the whole damn world. Too Group, like most Japanese companies, put their local market first and that's ok. It's a shame the exporters that distribute the product to the rest of the world are gangsters, but it's not their fault.

[@daliacat3396]

I love Ohuhu!!! I was introduced to alcohol markers with Jazza's channel and Drawing Wiff Waffles. My first alcohol mark art I did some fan art of Table Top Time. Now they are my go to method as I make greeting cards.

[@Alixandrite]

SAME

[@moonshiro]

Honestly ohuhu should say a HUGE thank you to DrawingWiffWaffles-Rin who introduced their markers to so many people in the beginning, long before Jazza (a year or so before) and then thank him too because his video on markersVS really helped them get on the map as well There were other creators along the way who introduced them, but Rin was THE source for a lot of people and then Jazza and that helped a lot too!

[@workoutandread]

I love Ohuhu™ markers! They are my favorite markers in the world and I'm not saying that just because I have been paid to say that about Ohuhu ® makers! I Really do believe that Ohuhu© are the best sponsors and are built out the most aesthetic types of plastic!

[@RosyRosie42]

@daliacat3396 - Do you have an Instagram account for your cards that you would share? I’d love to see them (as a fellow card maker)!

[@liveWITHspirit]

i’m not an artist by any means despite loving art, but i’ve always had an intense desire to own/know how to use copic markers (which i thought was just the name for this type of marker) i thoroughly enjoyed this video and think i will buy a big set of ohuhu markers for my inner child

[@SpyroShurtagul]

I'm absolutely shocked by that price comparison! And when you did the 50/50 coloring, I noticed how nicely the Ohuhu ones blended together compared to the Copics. Not that I've had the luxury to try out different brands, but I'm a big time supporter of Spectrum Noir myself. I was gifted a large bunch of those markers from a friend years ago and then bought myself the rest of the set. I am a HUGE fan of blending and making my marker illustrations look like watercolor with an impressionistic/expressionistic vibe to my pieces, so blending is insanely important to me. I might have to get my hands on some of these to see if they stand up to the old style Spectrum Noirs (the new Classiques are making me sad lately). Thanks for taking the time to do this!

[@iniyama]

5:24 i actually prefer the saturation of the Ohuhu for this, i feel like it fits the character more

[@kaspervandelannoote3646]

More vibrant

[@amandaterrio4823]

I agree. The Copic just looks flat

[@BauhausBarbie]

Yes and the shading looks so much better not flat like the Copic

[@workoutandread]

I love Ohuhu™ markers! They are my favorite markers in the world and I'm not saying that just because I have been paid to say that about Ohuhu ® makers! I Really do believe that Ohuhu© are the best sponsors and are built out the most aesthetic types of plastic!

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

Definitely ohuhu copics have really nice pastels but you don’t get that striking look

[@achilledem]

Even if Ohuhu were only *half* as good as Copic, they'd still cost less than *half* as much, still making them a great deal. For them to perform so well, and have preferable characteristics for most artists (among so many other advantages), the choice seems quite apparent to any artist.

[@nicxtwo]

I absolutely loved this video! Even though it crushes me. It has taken me so long to build my collection (because of their expense). I would love if you did a comparison between the Ohuhu markers and the Olo markers.

[@opalstudios]

this video was incredible. really honest review, and loved how you did it. i hope you and ohuhu partner up more often!!

[@DanCreaMundos]

A good thing that comes from having followed your work for years is knowing you're VERY serious when you recommend art supplies and specially when you sponsor them because usually you only sponsor your art packs. The fact that you really trust this brand makes it pretty obvious that it is a great product.

[@wtf_beez8366]

I have been using ohuhu markers for a couple years now and hearing one of my favourite artist say they recommend it to everyone just saved me so much money in future, thank you Jazza you honestly just made my day. Beautiful art as always, great review. THANKS FOR THE DISCOUNT!

[@aynain1810]

I bought a 24 ohuhu set.. i didn't know there was such a huge difference between colours on the barrel and the actual colours. So i ended up with highlighter colours.. sad ..

[@workoutandread]

I love Ohuhu™ markers! They are my favorite markers in the world and I'm not saying that just because I have been paid to say that about Ohuhu ® makers! I Really do believe that Ohuhu© are the best sponsors and are built out the most aesthetic types of plastic!

[@wtf_beez8366]

@@aynain1810 I have 2 big sets of the markers, depending on your budget that best thing maybe would to get a 100 set of the brush markers, tho if you are looking to get the best seamless blends, best work and color selection the 320 marker set might be for you tho there is always the 216 set. This is however if you are wanting to buy tho, the 24 set is great to start of with but a bigger collection can help with better quality work

[@straighttothedisco]

I recently picked up my first ohuhu pack (was using copics only prior and thought why not to get more range and save money) and I love how much care the team sent in giving the sample cards, the little booklet on the series, the slip of vinyl for your sketchbook to prevent transfers and the portable case. My biggest gripe is just the colour on the cap difference. It takes so much longer to check that I’m actually going to get the color I’m looking at on the cap because it is a lot more vibrant. In cartoons it’s not bad, but in realistic drawings it looks heavy. I don’t have that problem with copics. I would recommend them though! I do prefer my greys,pastels and earth tones in Copic but for colors that pack a punch I love my ohuhu’s. They really made me feel like I finally have a full colour range. The price is also just unbeatable.

[@SleepyFen]

"[ohuhu] just 'pops' more" feels like a weird statement when you could just pick a stronger color from the Copic line. The most fair and unbiased comparison here feels like the price. Copic clearly enjoyed being the clearly best option for at least a decade and priced themselves accordingly. Hopefully ohuhu can shake up the market and force Copic to give their customers a better deal, because I definitely agree with the artists that the Copic results aren't worth 5 times the price.

[@cheex9861]

I have had both, Copic definitely blend way better and feel more premium, although I was annoyed by how much they bleed so I stuck with Ohuhu's, more saturated, a bit stiffer tips which I quite like better

[@nonpondo_]

Yeah I will say to blend ohuhu you have to work a bit more

[@annahs.channel]

@@nonpondo_ i feel like that can be a plus though. with copics, i found they always blended in a way i didnt like. they'd blend too much. but with the ohuhu's, its all very intentional. but i dont have a super realistic colouring style so its each for their own.

[@mysterious_ky]

I knew ohuhu was cheap (especially compared to copic) seeing the price difference side by side was INSANE. Especially with how amazing the ohuhu had held up and even beat copic in the other categories. Amazingly detailed video!!

[@AMNG1994]

The first true competition to Copic was Shinhan Touch from South Korea. Chinese OEMs copied both, resulting in Finecolour and TouchTwin. And these two pseudo-knockoffs prompted the resurrection of Western marker brands (Letraset Tria, DickBlick). But all in all, I think it's cool sketch markers are much more accessible now. They were soooo expensive back when I was an Architecture student.

[@youmie3438]

I've used Copic when I was in highschool because there really wasn't any other alcohol marker brand avaiable at that time. I only had a few because they were just so expensive. Seeing the scaling is ridiculous I'm glad they got some competition now, I'm sure with Copic you pay mostly for the name and not for the quality. Lately I haven't really drawn anything myself but seeing Jazza's drawings always make me feel motivated to pick up my pen and work on a drawing again. Thank you so much Jazza!

[@scwibbles2780]

Copic is almost every artists dream due to the hype but after owning them I felt scared to really use them because of how expensive they are here in the states 😭 my ohuhus have kept up with me and are really good for a cheap alternative, I can also say that depending on your art style/coloring, specific markers can make a difference like Jazza said it’s up to preference at that point both have good and bads just try it out for yourself and see which fit your style✨

[@scootermom1791]

I'm so glad to know there are others like me who buy something then are afraid to use it (or use it up too fast!) because of the expense. I literally thought I was the only one. I experienced this a few years ago when I bought higher quality acrylic paints but was afraid to use them because of the cost to replace them. I still have them. Lol I'm not sure if they are even still usable. At least with the markers, they are usable years after buying them.

[@IonizedComa]

I think most artists are broke when they start out so I'm sure 99% of people feel your pain unless they sitting on some inheritence@@scootermom1791

[@dantecrossroad]

It is definitely time to expand my Ohuhu collection. I wanted Copics so bad for so long because of you, and more and more, they're seeming more like a luxury. Thank you for this!

[@workoutandread]

I love Ohuhu™ markers! They are my favorite markers in the world and I'm not saying that just because I have been paid to say that about Ohuhu ® makers! I Really do believe that Ohuhu© are the best sponsors and are built out the most aesthetic types of plastic!

[@tristancollins8789]

I considered Copic the best value after a few refills but if Ohuhu is also refillable that really does change the numbers.

[@r0ntr0n4]

I purchased your art box after seeing a video with Jordan Persegati and I am super impressed with it. Thank you so much for putting that together! I'm looking forward to seeing what content you have here on KZbin. Cheers!

[@emmawatchesstuff]

My issue with Ohuhu was always its lack of refills. That being solved, they feel like a no-brainer! Amazing!

[@Nishkween]

FYI, 320 is not the full range of the Ohuhu Honolulu (brush) series. There are actually 345 total colours in this series. There are colours in the 36 Skin Tones set, a couple in the 'Blossoming' 48 Pastel set, and one in the Greys set that are NOT in the 320 packaged set. I've collected all Honolulu sets and all the Copic Sketches; I actually find myself grabbing the Ohuhus more often since I've gotten them! And, a big plus for me is the awesome customer service Ohuhu has; when I've had issues with some shipments or dried/broken markers, they sent me replacements sets or discounts on my next purchase! With Copic, I've just had to take the loss.

[@kaocazbaubo]

OMG! That color swatching gave me goosebumps! It was a thing of beauty. I can't use any of my art pens/pencils/markers/paints until I do that.

[@mischiefmatrix]

I had a case of Ohuhu markers back in 5th grade! Really glad they're getting the attention they deserve

[@cosmicwhalefall]

The thing is, I've tried a ton of markers and I still like Copics the best. But people forget that they are a professional art supply for professional career artists - not hobbyists. Now that brands like Ohuhu are on the scene, I think there is just more out there for hobbyists who want to try something new or get into markers without having to spend an arm and a leg on professional supplies they are scared to use.

[@bendietrees]

This. I don't understand the hate.

[@rosa97509]

bro.. the price is still ridiculous for copics considering theyre on the same quality to ohuhu, professional supplies dont have to cost 100 € to be professional

[@yankis.]

@@bendietrees You really don't? What if I told you a single Copic marker costs less than 50 cents to manufacture. Think about it.

[@cosmicwhalefall]

@@rosa97509 I disagree? I don't think Ohuhu markers are nearly as nice as Copic, but that's personal preference. Ohuhu feels more like an entry level or hobbyist marker.

[@cosmicwhalefall]

@@yankis. For the plastic body, maybe.

[@Detton30]

Honestly, I believe you were as objective as you could possibly be; you explained yourself and your biases clearly, and the metrics by which you measured and compared them. It was very well put-together. Thank you very much for this video!

[@scootermom1791]

I agree! I think he did an excellent job eliminating bias in this video.

[@nicklegend4547]

Really great video Jazza! Thank you! Looking forward to trying Ohuhu markers.

[@Yvonne_Reeder]

This is a terrific comparison and I really can't thank you enough - it's exactly what I needed to know. ♥️👏🏻♥️👏🏻♥️

[@SamChaneyProductions]

The problem with "brands" created by large Chinese firms like Ohuhu is that there is no guarantee that they will maintain the same quality or even be around in a few years. And yes Ohuhu is owned by Yiwu Thousandshores, a large Chinese firm that owns many "brands" like Tribit and Sportneer. Actual brands / companies generally have a much longer history and are tied to specific manufacturing facilities so there is confidence the products will remain consistent where stuff like Ohuhu comes and goes, and can change which factory they get their dye from or their plastic injection done at any time. Doesn't mean they don't make good products, clearly the quality is there and the price is impossible to ignore, but maybe don't replace your entire marker collection just yet

[@cmclawskkt]

I had NO IDEA ohuhu had refills now! My kids love Ohuhu markers but I never allowed myself to really try them out because I knew once they ran out, they were dead. Game changer! And I’m so pleased to see how well the nibs hold up, that was my number one complaint about Copics. Thank you so much for this video. Glad I stayed up late tonight. 😂

[@oliverer3]

They also sell replacement tips so unless you somehow crack the case they should last essentially forever.

[@workoutandread]

I love Ohuhu™ markers! They are my favorite markers in the world and I'm not saying that just because I have been paid to say that about Ohuhu ® makers! I Really do believe that Ohuhu© are the best sponsors and are built out the most aesthetic types of plastic!

[@RosyRosie42]

I’ve had my Ohuhu markers for a little over a year, and haven’t had issues with them drying out yet. However, the refills came out a couple months ago, and I’m very excited for them, should the need arise!

[@Phoca_Vitulina]

This makes me so excited! I've never tried alcohol markers but always wanted to.. maybe now I could afford to try them out!

[@AJ91244756]

Jazza!! i used to watch your videos as a kid, i'm a full time illustrator now when i saw this video on my page. thank you for inspiring me

[@maxbergmann-lenz8321]

Even though you keep saying this is an objective rating the fact that you were sponsored by ohuhu really ruined the video for me. Especially with the drawing tests I couldn’t tell if you were being sincere or arguing in ohuhus favour. My suggestion would be to do a rating without a sponsor. And then in the next video you can take up the sponsoring

[@charliefoxtrotindigo6793]

I’d like to see a comparison of how they are made. Copic are made in Japan while ohuhu are manufactured in China. I can’t help wondering about working conditions and environmental impact and whether that is the reason that the ohuhu markers are so much cheaper.

[@rivards1]

It is 1000% why

[@ANPC-pi9vu]

This is my only issue with Chinese markers, along with the fact that the CCP hold some share in all Chinese companies. Another factor in the lower price is the fact that China gets a special trade status as a developing nation that makes exporting a lot less expensive for them than for developed nations like Japan. It is unfair and should be done away with. All ofvthat said, I have tried markers and fine liner pens from both countries and even if the Chinese products weren't cheaper, I sincerely liked their products much better. Copics and Sakura Pigma have both fallen behind by not trying to improve at all.

[@ForgetfulMind]

I thought I would be a copic acolyte forever when considering a return to tradition work, but this video really did open my mind a lot. I’ll still get some copic refills for my collection but I’ll be very pleased to try out the Honolulu collection too!

[@laceymillican5]

I got a 72 set of Ohuhu like, a few years ago because I wanted more shades for a commission (and I had already spent, guess what? About $50 for 5 copies) - It was my first time using alcohol markers and they were SO GOOD that I started buying them for all the artists in my life to try and it's amazing. I'm a very "I'll buy cheap if it's comparable" so I love your review since it's by a professional.

[@Joe___R]

The biggest price factor you didn't account for is that you can't buy ohuhu markers individually. Which means some of their markers will cost you over $100 if you need to replace it. All Copic markers can be replaced individually. They also sell replacement tips that have different amounts of stiffness so you can get the feel you desire. My biggest reason for not liking Ohuhu markers is that the cap color is almost always vastly different from the ink in the marker. When I am looking for a color, I don't want to have to reference a swatch chart, then have to hunt for the color code/name. With Copic, the cap color is exactly what you get from that marker's ink.

[@sapphicsiren]

Apparently you can buy the individual markers now, but it's seems to be exclusive to their website. I bought my set a couple of years ago, and my biggest gripes with the markers was the cap color not matching the marker, and the inability to buy individual markers. It's pretty cool that you can buy the individual markers now, because back in the day I had to supplement my set with other markers brands.

[@ashleynoble2880]

I can get individual marker at Michael's and certain colors go on sale all the time. They also have their own store brand and those are fine too

[@asterv843]

I feel you on the cap colors. Some of the color names are bonkers too, although that's not as annoying, just funny instead.

[@wendialeyabonnin4848]

You can actually get individual but last time i check ot was only on their website not sure about other markets lol

[@Mustlovebooks15]

I’m not into alcohol markers but I have Ohuhus sketchbook and that thing is massive and amazing. And it was cheap.

[@ohuhuart_official]

😘😘

[@moonshiro]

@@ohuhuart_official Honestly you should say a HUGE thank you to DrawingWiffWaffles-Rin who introduced your markers to so many people in the beginning, long before Jazza (a year or so before) and then thank him too because his video on markersVS really helped you get on the map as well There were other creators along the way who introduced you, but Rin was THE source for a lot of people and then Jazza and that helped you a lot!

[@dayne6597]

@@moonshiroADC Art Attack also uses Ohuhu

[@lindasmithmccormack5225]

You are on fire! You are the prime example of persistence, paying off. Congratulations! 🎉👏👏👏 It is well deserved! Company discount savings for everyone! Launching new products! To infinity and beyond!!! 😃

[@7gaggo]

I watched your previous video a while back and make the switch from copic to ohuhu and i've haven't been disapointed. I since always recommend ohuhu to my students and the parents. I even bought a second box for my students to use when they don't have markers. Seeing this video makes me feel i've been right to trust you the first time. Thanks for that !

[@allygamer0183]

Rin(Drawingwiffwaffles) was onto this before anyone else was. Glad to see more people are recognizing ohuhu now.

[@KittyWolves]

glad to see other drawingwiffwaffles fans in the comments :)

[@allygamer0183]

@@KittyWolves 😁

[@Reibimasu]

I got a huge copic marker collection that i wouldn't change for anything, but it makes me happy that artist these days have more options, especially because now they're gonna start selling refills. Also, in contrast to Copic, Ohuhu sketchbooks are next level

[@rachelkrug6761]

I watched that 1st video and I got ohuhu and I have to say they have become my favorite marker and sketchbook. They are awesome. I love the way they blend and how long they last.

[@tabibutler4444]

Wow the saturation difference between the two in the split page is mad!! I never expected the ohuhus to be so crisp and vibrant

[@Xubono]

There seems to be a HUGE choice with the Ohuhu markers. You can get alcohol based. You can get water based. You can get water based acrylic. You can get double ended markers with either ultra-fine nibs (0.4 mm), fine nibs, the squishy felt tip shown in this video, 2 mm medium nibs and the chisel shaped nibs. Some nibs are only in certain types of ink, though I might be wrong! You can also get metallic ink pens, etc, etc. Nice to have such a big choice … but … I’m confused! When would you use a water based ink as opposed to an alcohol based ink? The alcohol type seem to be approx 20% cheaper. Thank you Jazza for critically analysing these markers. I will add them to my next shopping list!

[@TGPDrunknHick]

water based would probably depend on what you're going for. alchohol seems better for general use but, if you are specifically trying to do a water paint then you'd go for the water colour markers.

[@Xubono]

@@TGPDrunknHick yes, but why would you go for water versus alcohol based? Is it the porosity of the paper, its glossiness or vellum, or the different solvent ability to blend versus the final opacity of the final layer of marker, or its water proof or resistance when dried, or the matte vs glossy sheen of the final artwork. I am asking because I have a small selection of soft, wax based pencils (prismacolor), some hard oil based pencils (polychromos), some water based acrylic pens (artistro) and some really cheap, supermarker varieties of pencils (hard, waxy, faint pigmentation), markers (sharpies, bic and others). They all have different properties - prismacolor excellent blending - polychromos sturdy pencils with vivid pigmentation, good for gentle layering - artistro acrylic, nearly 100% opacity and (for me) works well for slabs of uniform colour and minor corrections (better than gel pens or liquid paper), but zero blendabilty. Whether the colour runs or smudges easily while working, and if this changes after inks dry or pencilling is burnished. I’ve only been doing this for 9 months and I look to people like Jazza and Sarah Renee Clark for their expert, thorough often scientific analysis of many aspects of what they investigate and ultimately use. Ultimately I want to expand my tools to include a selection of the most effective that might suit my amateurish attempts and help me improve the final results. Apologies for the obsessive ranting … I think about every detail *far* too much.

[@ANPC-pi9vu]

​@@Xubono Water based can be manipulated in different ways than alcohol based. Just search for a tutorial, I'm sure it exists.

[@artsy_dragon_creations]

It’s so cool to see that Ohuhu is making amazing quality markers more accessible to more people. If it helps anyone else like me who still can’t afford them though, grabbing a box of 100 Crayola markers and a 68 pack of Cra Z Art markers and a portable watercolor brush as a blender works really well and is insanely cheap in comparison. I’ve been using them for years, and I’ve gotten really good results that I believe are very close to Ohuhu/Copic quality. You’ll also want to use slightly thicker paper so it can hold up to a bit more ink and a little water without tearing, and with practice you really get the hang of it. Seriously, if you also can’t afford Ohuhus like me, Crayola is a really good substitute with practice and the right tools

[@sophiarose03]

I literally bought a Ohuhu markers because of your video! I’m really happy with them and they’ve been a great choice for me.

[@makersmark1974]

I've still got Copic from 8yrs ago.. ..kept in a cool closet.. ..works well when ever..