Who Makes PRUSA The Subtext of 3D Printing?

READ THIS BEFORE COMMENTING: Every single account that leaves a message asking me to make technical content and stop criticizing Prusa will be banned UNLESS you first go upvote and leave a comment on an old technical video of mine telling me it was your favorite or something like that. I'm raising legitimate issues. My person and this channel are not the issue. Why are you changing the subject?

[@marcus3d]

7:04 "this fixation, obsession with Prusa everywhere doesn't make sense" - I was thinking the same thing 😄

[@KellyBC]

Sort of ironic isn’t it . . .

[@ryanleslie7425]

He probably uses the Prusa i3 mk3 for many reasons, these are just a few that come to mind: 1) He's familiar/comfortable with the setup and quirks (he's used the printer for many years) 2) It's the standard printer he uses for his channels engineering tests 3) It's a commonly used printer, and hence his setup is relatable to his viewers. 4) It's a good printer (as are many printers these days)

[@fenrir4046]

But it isn't actually good printer. It's a mediocre printer that is marketed as being industry standard. It doesn't hold against direct comparison with something like 99$ Ender 3.

[@ahmedal-modaifea4457]

I agree, you beaten me to it. A printer that is familiar to them and the viewers. a good printer that works. If it isn't broken don't fix it right?

[@cees9314]

@@fenrir4046 lol...

[@fenrir4046]

@@cees9314 Quite poor argument, eh?

[@CMDR_Hadion]

@@fenrir4046 I love my referbished Ender 3 and a i have access to a prusa, but if you think that it holds a candle to the reliability of a prusa, you’re delusional. The print quality is similar tho, but the prusa has a near perfect record in completing prints. The only time it’s failed for me is when filament had snapped or jammed. And it cought the error & paused the print.

[@mattclay4]

Prusa's fan base is insufferable at times, and yes, Jospeh is an egomaniac, but a lot of your arguments can be easily explained in a rational way if you don't have this hatred (and lets admit, it's reached a hatred level for you) of Prusa. By the way, I don't have a Prusa, nor do I ever see myself owning one. As an example, Stefan used the Prusa in that video because A, the guide which he credited as the inspiration for the video was posted on Printables, B, why would be produce a guide for these settings on the Bamboo? The number of people who have one pales in comparison to the number of people who have a bamboo, he wants to produce videos that are relatable, so you choose a printer that people have, even if the settings were the same, it shows it works on a common 3d printer. When Stefan did his flow test, with the line and blob, he did that on an Ender 3, also because that's a printer a lot of people have. Also, he stated in his video, and other places, that the Voron took him months to build, he probably didn't have the Bamboo when he printed those parts.

[@crawlerin]

You are right, Stefan started working on VORON 2.4 like 6? 7? months ago. When he printed those parts, there were not even (p)review units of Bambu X1 sent out to influencers.

[@mattclay4]

@@crawlerin It's a bit like when he asked why Tom didn't present Arachne with SuperSlicer.... That version of SuperSlicer came out like, last week and was full of bugs.

[@DustinGorman]

Tom and Stefan are my favorite KZbinrs. I look forward to their videos and high quality content. I have original Prusa machines, and I recently just bought a Prusa clone. I intend to buy a bambulab X1C, and a Prusa XL. I also intend to build a Voron. I use Prusa Slicer 2.5.0 for FDM and Lychee Pro for SLA. Dude. Sometimes, you just enjoy things that work well as an ecosystem. Prusa's stuff is simple and easy to use, user friendly, and nice to look at. I used Cura in the past, and have nothing against it. I just like the overall ease of use and the nicely designed graphics. I have 0 intentions to ever use or buy a ultimaker/makerbot/anycubic/creality or anything else. I have nothing against anything that's not a Prusa, but I have had a wonderful experience with their products, and will continue to use and support them. Their filaments are also nice too, and I use other cheap stuff off of Amazon, and other US based filament companies too. Dude. Stop being a prick and speculating about stupid stuff. I'm disappointed that YT recommended this to me.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Okay, but do you think that everyone is buying as many 3D printers as you do? Do you think that newbies to the hobby are best served spending almost $1,000 on a printer when they can get an Ender 3 for like $100 from Microcenter? Remember, most guys are going to buy a printer Print like 20 things and get bored and put the printer on the shelf. I'm really glad there are guys like you in the hobby. Let's just remember that your experience and attitude is not universal.

[@DustinGorman]

@@DesignPrototypeTest "best 3d printers for beginners" searched into YT. For the top 20-30 results, I don't see a single video from Tom or Stefan. I also don't see any thumbnails or titles talking about Prusa. You can't make apples to oranges comparisons then get bent when someone else starts talking about bananas. Prusas are not "beginner" machines because the barrier to entry is high. High introductory price probably scares away a lot of people. If you gave a beginner an Ender 3 and a mk3s, and let them run it for 30 days, then told them the price, I think we'd both be surprised by what people choose to buy. Prusas are user friendly, and can be a great tool for a beginner. For an experienced user, Prusas are more of a standard. BTW my first printer was an Anycubic Vyper. It broke after a month and I changed my search from "best 3d printer for beginners" to "most reliable 3d printer".

[@DustinGorman]

@@DesignPrototypeTest also, that Microcenter statement is invalid too. Tell me the percentage of the population of US residents who live within 100 miles of a Microcenter.

[@DustinGorman]

@@DesignPrototypeTest and most guys probably get bored after 20 prints because they bought a POS ender3. Lmao. You're arguing my point for me.

[@Minionbro360]

Yeah I keep on seeing his videos on my recommended and I don’t know why.

[@mkoic11]

Why don’t you ASK Stephan and Tom why they are featuring Prusa? Maybe they have good reasons. Maybe they want to use a printer that they know has a popular following with tons of users. Who knows? But maybe you could have a conversation with each of them and find out.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I doubt they would give DPT the time of day

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

@@NathanBuildsRobots This. They are happy to respond to my points. Devoting entire sections of the Meltzone to address issues I've raised but they are incapable of acknowledging that I exist.

[@gilbertmckown6161]

Because your a raving mad man 😎

[@larrythehedgehog]

@@NathanBuildsRobots please don't tell me you're down the same rabbit hole as DPT.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

@@larrythehedgehog Just pointing out that they probably wouldn't engage in conversation with him. Correct me if I'm wrong! I am not "down the same rabbit hole". I think DPT missed the mark in this video. IMO the truth is simpler than any of his theories. Products are not sold by excellent engineering, quality, or innovative features. Products are sold by by marketing. In the 3d printer community, YT influencers steer the vast majority of purchasing decisions. AKA affiliate marketing. They are getting a big cut of the proceeds, probably about 15% ($120 per printer) from recommending PRUSA printers in their videos. I estimate the big players in 3D printing YT are making between $2,000 and $20,000 per month from PRUSA affiliate sales alone. So you will never hear them say that other printers are better, cheaper, faster, or easier to use - even if they obviously are. Don't kill the golden goose! Artillery Sidewinder X2 is currently my #1 recommendation. It is only $270 and has all of the main features that the i3mk3s has, plus a larger print volume and costs 1/4 the price. I have not made a video specifically on PRUSA printers, but I have used them extensively. They are good but not great. Knowing what I know now, I definitely would not recommend them over the other options on the market. I will always make recommendations based primarily on value. I don't want people wasting their money, and I don't care about affiliate sales. I put the links in there because it's nice to get a little bonus for my recommendations, but my primary concern is providing value for my viewers. I am trying to correct the market failure of people buying low-value printers, and trying to educate and entertain on the side. Thank you for listening to my Ted Talk.

[@hal_wayland]

Arachne, or rather the algorithm behind it, is a research project, not something Ultimaker invented, as far as I know. They were the first one to implement it but they are not the inventors of the underlying technology behind it.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

So you're one of those guys who's triggered by the word "invented?" Just because somebody else came up with an idea that you didn't think of doesn't mean that you have to feel bad about yourself. Are you trying to stop all innovation from happening so that you feel more secure in your skin?

[@Uxcis]

@@DesignPrototypeTest What?

[@hal_wayland]

@@DesignPrototypeTest It's literally just 2 objective factual sentences, stop projecting your own insecurities into everything that's being told to you. Here's an actual personal take from me - the fact that you equate the amount of research that went into Arachne with "somebody coming up with an idea" (as if it was that trivial) shows just how clueless and delusional you are. In any case, I find your recent conspiracy videos kind of hilarious and I'm loving it. I'm wondering how far you can take this.

[@Galaktican1]

@@DesignPrototypeTest Hal calmly stated a fact. You are the one who is triggered.

[@bobbydigital9323]

I think Tom and Stephan just like using Prusa and Prusa Slicer. I think they are using printers that most of their users use. I do agree on some points on Prusa but I think Tom and Stephan just genuinely like using their Prusa. (I don't have a Prusa. I use an ender e v2 so I watch more of Cheps videos).

[@HaloMachine]

People use prusa printers because they simply WORK. Hit print, walk away, come back to a successful print. I own a 3 year old MK3S that is still bone stock, no replaced parts or components. 8k print hours and zero issues. Only a swapped nozzle, that's it. Still on the factory PEI sheet. "wHy Do PeOpLe sTiLL uSe pRuSa pRiNTerS" Did you ever stop to think maybe they use them because they're reliable as hell and create quality, successful prints 9 times outta 10, with zero fuss. Bambu labs X1 is cute and all, but nobody knows what its dependability will be like, they're still working out bugs on them. And being proprietary chinese is a no go for me, and many others. $4 E3D replacement nozzles for a MK3S, vs a $35-$45 "nozzle" for a bambu X1 open source>>>chinese proprietary. You wanna talk about Thomas and Stefan "advertising" for prusa...what do you think you've been doing the the last 6 months lol? like your last 5-7 vids have been all about prusa lol.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

My Ender3 with simplify 3D is the same way. An I3 is nothing special in 2022. There are at least a dozen 3D printers available from China which perform every bit as good, and every bit as reliably but cost hundreds of dollars less. If you already have your Prusa keep using it. I don't care. Just don't tell noobies they should get one. It's antiquated tech. There are better options. Bamboo Labs X1 beats the pants off of the i3 and you know it. We'll see if the forthcoming XL can even compete in this new world.

[@HaloMachine]

@@DesignPrototypeTest "There are at least a dozen 3D printers available from China which perform every bit as good, and every bit as reliably but cost hundreds of dollars less" Tell me, which one, from the "dozen" of these chinese printers you list, is just as reliable as a MK3S? Because mine has 8k print hours logged and over 10 miles of filament printed through it, with literally zero failed components. The only thing I have ever replaced, was a nozzle. And I only did it because I wanted to step up to a .6mm. Find me one china made printer, with as many hrs on it as my prusa, with zero failed components. Nobody cares if it's "antiquated tech", when it gets the job done 100% of the time with zero fuss or issues. I started out with an anycubic mega S, which is just a MK3 clone, with out auto mesh bed lvl. And before I upgraded to my prusa, I had already been through a heatbed, extruder, hotend and part cooling fan on the anycubic. "Bamboo Labs X1 beats the pants off of the i3 and you know it" Actually, no, it doesn't, at least not for me. Its reliability hasn't been proven long term yet. And the parts that I run for my business, only run 10 mins, or 17% faster when sliced for a X1C using their slicer software, compared to what I run on my MK3S using prusaslicer. 17% faster parts certainly isn't worth it for a proprietary china printer with unknown long term reliability. And I actually don't recommend a MK3S for noobies or general hobbyists, I recommend them to people who run a print farm business that need to rely on a printer that actually works and can reliably get prints and orders out the door, without breaking down.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

You run a print farm. That means you figured out some niche item to print. It's only a matter of time. Until everyone figures out what it is you are printing and starts printing them at home to sell on eBay or Etsy.. Most people who think they are going to get into a print from these days are going to lose their pants. They will never print enough to get to a spot where they need to do maintenance on their Chinese printer. Even if you have to replace the Delrin v-wheels every thousand hours it still makes more economic sense to save $550 per printer in your print farm. If I was starting a print from today. I would get three Ender 3 printers. It would cost me only $50 more than a single I3 kit. That's 3x more revenue generating machinery. If you can't do a little maintenance on a 3D printer, you are a fool to think you can run a print farm.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

P.S. Let's not forget that time is money. It took me 9 hours to assemble the i3 kit. Being able to assemble the i3 kit is actually more difficult than doing a little maintenance from time to time on an Ender3 That's assuming that your assertion is correct. Doesn't under three actually require more maintenance? Is there an unbiased documentation of this somewhere?. I'm guessing that you would need to replace the delrin wheels from time to time. Like replacing tires on your car. That doesn't seem like such a hard task to me. What am I missing?

[@HaloMachine]

@@DesignPrototypeTest So what you're saying is, you don't actually know of any chinese printer that's as reliable as a MK3S? By design, the MK3S is maintenance free, with the exception of a few drops of oil on the smooth rods every few months. No delrin wheels to replace or adjust, the gates belts on a prusa don't stretch like on the china printers, so no adjustment there. And you're right, time is money, which is why I bought a prusa. I like knowing that when I print a part, it will finish 100%, rather than getting a layer shift, adhesion issue or clogged hot end. No worries of spending time and money on filament, just to have a failed part and have to restart. Even in your prusa vs china printer vid you made several months back, the print on your china printer failed due to adhesion issues, and you had to restart it, that's wasted time and money. The prusa however, no problems, 1st print after building and its just worked, kinda the whole point of owning a prusa, they just work. I also don't buy MK3S kits, I buy them fully assembled, because, time is money after all.

[@lisasei-leise287]

Bought a pre-built Prusa mk3 then they were new years ago, when I wanted a solid printer that works and is open source. Have not been disappointed by product and community. It was an excellent device for what I needed it for. Now I am building a Voron 0.1 to have something to tinker with fast printing for small parts. Will not be disappointed, everyone has been helpful so far. Whether Joseph Prusa is a nice guy in private or not can only be seen by people who actually know him. Personally I tend to consider people I don’t know to be decent people by default. You really lost your way and you are in a very unpleasant place now, it’s all in your head.

[@centurialinc]

I've liked and commented on other videos. So I feel I have meet your requirements in your description. So, I'm about to unsubscribe. This content is just not enjoyable. And the evidence and conversation about the business practices of Prusa are nothing new. Companies have been doing questionable and morally un sound things sense day one. The best way to stop it is to make a better company that up holds better practices and draws in the customers for those practices. Thus pushing the questionable company out of business. Other wise it's just drama talk. If you had evidence that proves that they are braking the law then you should get a lawyer involved and pursue going to court. For example back when lead was being put in gasoline a scientist (Clair Patterson I think) traveled the world and took lead level measurements, (specifically the ocean lead levels) and used that in combination with medical research to prove that lead was very deadly and took the gas company to court over it. A video like this is un productive and cheap. If Prusa bothers you this much, there are better and more effective means to tack action. Best Matt

[@WurstPeterl]

Makerbot “disappeard” from the hobbyist sphere after being acquired by Stratasys, which led to Makerbot focusing on the (arguably more profitable) education market.

[@GiorgosLysigakis]

Ok,you don't like Prusa,understood,the rest is drama.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Ad hominem.

[@GiorgosLysigakis]

@@DesignPrototypeTest ok.I will force myself to use more my Ender 3 from now and spent more time looking at the printer than enjoying life!

[@renegadezed]

@@DesignPrototypeTest "ad hominem" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rabNh4B_jt-Mjsk

[@dr_gotheem3899]

Hypothetical question: Is threatening to ban viewers unless they: (a) refrain from freely expressing opinions/commentary, or (b) upvote and leave comments on old videos considered coercion, or a sub-variant of it? Asking for a friend.

[@SplicesAndCelluloid]

For someone who loves to make videos complaining about supposedly questionable business practices, the man sure does like to partake in questionable business practices.

[@jordanstoev1574]

to me looks like you driving prusa train man

[@mikestewart4752]

It seems clear to me that Prusa is taking pages out of the Apple Inc’s marketing manual. When I was first getting into 3D printing I almost bought a Prusa, but then I bought a cheaper Chinese printer and I couldn’t be more happy with it, and the $500 CAD I saved.

[@fenrir4046]

I've also made this comparison before. Spot on.

[@onecarwood]

Makerbot left Thingiverse to die, which lost them a ton of customers and standing. They also pretty much quit advertising. Ideamaker slicer sucks unless you have one of their machines and Windows. I use it for the Cr-30, and it's horrible. I tried to use it for many other machines, and it still sucks. I use SuperSlicer cuz I don't have a Prusa, but it's a very capable slicer. I tried Cura, and to be honest, I hated it so much that I bought S3D years ago. Printables is the best model site, hands down. I never bought a Prusa cuz too many zip ties for me, but I will say I manage a Makerspace, and those are the only ones that keep running. I'm constantly fixing all the others. It will be my next machine.

[@MrPetrovich83]

For years I've always been a fan of yours for same reason that you're a fan of Tom and CNC Kitchen. Sharing your knowledge and experience about 3D Printing to help better the community grow and help those that are new to this side of creativity. I feel, most of your videos lately have been more on the negative side- mostly towards one particular brand/owner. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that 💯 but as you said in this particular video you said (paraphrasing) "fixation, obsession with prusa doesn't make sense". 7:05 - 7:10. I miss the contexts you use to make for the reasons I said at the beginning as you were one of my "go-to" youtubers when I first started. Detailed product reviews. Tips and tricks. Your design ideas/mods- eg. DIY autobed leveling system. Etc etc.... in other words- an inspiration. But lately I'm more likely to Unsubscribe/block because I already have enough negativity in my life as it is. I don't need it from my inspiration as well.

[@fugitiveminded]

I feel you and initially said v the same but...Most ppl who expose truths are labeled villains until more ppl pay attention. It's a lonely hard road but the conversation is needed. Of course it would be easier for him to just make content we all expect but if no one steps up to challenge or discuss the industry then eventually the industry and community suffers.

[@MrPetrovich83]

@@fugitiveminded Yeah I understand what you're saying and I agree. I think for now I'll just take a break from his channel for now until he can get it all off his chest. I wish him luck on his quest! 🙂

[@KennyEaton603]

About the apron. I’m pretty sure Nero has children. He’s often handling small screws, electrical connectors, stuff that could get stuck to your clothing and dropped where a child could potentially get ahold of it. Having a way to prevent that, ie: an apron you take off when leaving your work area, probably isn’t a bad idea. I don’t know if this is why he wears an apron. But it’s a reason that makes sense to me. Also, things like solder dripping on you while molten doesn’t feel all that great. Nero isn’t always “3D printing”, he’s usually building stuff. I haven’t watched anything of his lately, but I see notifications all that time that he is live and building something.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

So we're going to turn this into apron-gate now? At best the apron is superfluous. At worst it pulls on your shoulders/neck and impedes movement of your legs while providing no tangible benefit for building 3D printers. This is why you've never seen ANYONE ELSE wearing an apron while building a 3D printer. It's a style statement intended to increase his credence as an authority on 3D printing.

[@KennyEaton603]

@@DesignPrototypeTest you could be right. I don’t know. I don’t do aprons for the reasons you mentioned. I was just throwing out some possible reasons for it. I personally hate aprons, despite owning a few (welding burns hurt, but aprons are just too annoying to wear).

[@mattclay4]

@@DesignPrototypeTest You were the one that mocked him for the apron and keeps bringing it up. This comment simply provided you with a reason as to why he might wear it.

[@CanuckCreator]

@@mattclay4 He's just jelly of my drip

[@mattclay4]

@@CanuckCreator I used to wear this little fanny pack thing when I worked in manufacturing, people made fun of me but I always had somewhere to put my tools and I always had a pen on me, so this issue hit close to my heart..... Plus I think the apron looks cool!

[@Chris623]

i think they are still using the prusa because they know it in detail how it behaves (in their environment) and it's easier to film the print

[@SweHam]

Not going to lie but putting a warning that you'll ban people that don't conform to your interests is questionable at best, it looks bad not matter how you're looking at it. If you don't like critique then maybe calling out other creators isn't your cup of tea? I'm going to list my main concerns with the video, feel free to remove the comment and evict me from your channel if that makes your ego bigger, I won't be mad. Censorship is not the answer and it never will be. And before someone calls me out as a "Fanboy" or "Toxic owner" I will make it very clear that I do not side with any specific brand or creator, I only buy and consume the things that I feel are great to me. #1 I just stumbled upon this channel and this was the second video that the algorithms of YT decided that I should view. The previous one was a review and I though it was well written and structured as a video, it felt like it had quality. This however feels like you're throwing a tantrum over a personal grudge and I did not feel like your (current) content is something that I will enjoy watching. This is sad cause there's potential but watching a upset rant and some beef isn't what I'm after. #2 Please don't play the "almost neighbors" argument when talking about how close the two creators involved are to Czech Republic, saying they are about two hours away or so makes you sound so misinformed about Europe. It would have taken you a few minutes to see that with two hours you'll just make it to the border if you're traveling from Prague to Germany. Assuming things when trying to make a point makes your video sound more like an in-the-moment rant then an actually researched video. Sure, I can see that you put effort into this but as a European myself this just doesn't sit right with me. #3 Why do CNC Kitchen and Thomas Sanlanderer run printers that are outdated and software that is made by the same company? Well most likely the same reason any person would buy the same brand groceries when at the store, cause you know what you are going to get. Tom's video about 0.4mm nozzles and Arachne was most likely done on a Prusa though Prusa Slicer because he's got experience with the machine and the implementation of Arachne had recently been added in the newest Alpha build at the time. In the case of CNC Kitchen is definitely cause he exclusively does his tests on the same machine with models that are sliced with the same slicer every time unless he's comparing a certain printer or slicer. It is most likely the case that he picked the most reliable printer he had (at the time) and stuck with it as to not alter variables in testing. If you're changing the whole setup between tests it's hardly helpful as there's no way to tell what may have been the reason for the changes in case a print is unusually good or bad. 4# While I understand that Prusa taking using technology that they consider the best for their product is nothing new. While I do agree that it's a bad practice I doubt that they've done something outright illegal. IF 3DPRN did not have a patent out by the time that Prusa implemented their solution for detecting a clogged nozzle then I doubt that's a copyright infringement, I'm no lawyer but it would be pretty dumb of them to outright break laws. But hey, I can be wrong so why don't they sue if they feel they've had their design infringed upon? And sure, a Prusa in 2022 is overpriced and somewhat outdated compared to other options but that's not always the point. It's an open market and if someone feels like a Prusa ain't for them then maybe they don't have to buy the product, there's no reason to be upset if someone is enjoying something that you don't. If I buy a phone I get an Android cause I'm used to it and it works for me, but I don't go around throwing dirt on Apple users cause of that. To sum it up, I think you're being unreasonable upset about something very minor. I think that if I was in their seat and had a printer that works, that I like and that I feel like I want to support then I'd do that. And there's nothing wrong with that. Something doesn't have to be tailor-made for you to be a product worth supporting and not everyone is a sellout for liking a product or service. If you think that Prusa isn't any good then make something better instead of just bringing unnecessary beef to YT?

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

I'm just trying to get them to put their money with their mouth is. See. I suspect most of them are being disingenuous. This makes them back up their words with actions. Funny thing: Nobody's taken me up on it yet. Kind of proves me right.

[@diannafiredal]

@@DesignPrototypeTest or perhaps it proves nobody's going to bother dignifying your increasingly unfounded rants with responses which require that sort of effort?🤷‍♂ At the end of the day, if they're not making the content you'd like to see them making, perhaps you should make that content. Speaking of putting one's money where one's mouth is, why don't you make a video proving the superiority of new-fangled printer X over Prusa's offerings? It would be a better use of your time than the stuff you're currently putting out, which seems to be unfounded stream-of-consciousness tinfoil hat stuff with no substance to back it up. The idea that someone (content creator or not) should be using some specific printer because it's newer/supposedly better in some way is kind of bizarre, even more so the idea that if they don't, they must be shilling for the company making whatever they're using. Many have already commented about the valid reasons these creators may continue to use what you see as an out-of-date printer to produce their parts. But aside from everything else, maybe they continue to use their Prusa printers because they're familiar and they like them, and don't feel there's any reason to fix what isn't broken? I know if I was printing functional parts or pieces for technical testing, I'd be sticking to a known quantity which is going to give consistent and predictable output. Same for slicer software, really. I've seen Thomas use Slic3r and other slicers over the years. If Prusa's slicer works best for him/he's most comfortable with it/whatever, good for him. Some of your responses to people who've commented, e.g. the guy who pointed out use of the word invented (re: arachne) and the guy above who mentioned Prusas work well in his printer farm are just outright B I Z A R R E.

[@TJGoan]

@@diannafiredal Yep. "Kind of proves me right" is interesting logic built on a outsized ego. I'd love to see some videos with standardized tests between other printers and an i3. Do some long term tests. That would be great. Which machines require more fiddling and maintenance?

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

>Speaking of putting one's money where one's mouth is, why don't you make a video proving the superiority of new-fangled printer X over Prusa's offerings I already did this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmOVh6eFh7Zqb6c

[@zulubreaker9295]

I prefer the Prusaslicer over Cura… why can’t he have a favorite? I do think he should use the faster printer. Perhaps he has his recording configured for one printer for recording.

[@crow782]

load cell on a 3d printer already exists, even if not refined . Search Reprap-Load-Cell-Z-Probe on instructables. If italian patent is valid, they can block selling the xl in italy, but prusa can go the prior art way to verify if the patent is good. i havent personally see in the prusa xl if there was a real cel in the presentation so im not ure, but the italia video say they patent only days before the prusa presentation. we will see

[@derchesten]

Eh I use prusaslicer too, cura's interface is too clunky, I hate the guts out of it, and superslicer is a bit behind updates from the main PS branch. But yeah it's fishy to still use a mark 3... Then again Linus's print farm is all prusas and people like Stephen Hawes are using prusas too. Also, ModBot uses prusaslicer with all his printers and haven't seen a prusa in that channel at all, and teaching tech uses either simplify 3d or superslicer. I'd say it's a mixed bag tbh

[@SW-qb7oo]

I have a Renkforce RF2000 with a load cell for bed leveling. Renkforce is a german manufacturer. The printer was introduced in late 2016. I think it is pretty hard to tell who was first if you don't know all printer models out there. I am sure that even Renkforce was not the first one with this idea.

[@fenrir4046]

"Z-stop control via light barrier and mechanical limiter"... Doesn't sound like load cell to me 🤨

[@SW-qb7oo]

@@fenrir4046 You can find the manual online. You will find pictures on page 17 in the german manual.

[@Joe_Yacketori]

I can get behind the idea that the Prusa i3 is inappropriate to use as the backbone of all your 3D printing - but as for Prusaslicer, I have to disagree with you. I think Prusaslicer is solid as hell, for all the criticism I have of the Prusa printers. I think Prusaslicer is simply better than Cura, other than the lack of tree supports. I don't really see a reason to use anything but PS for printing (other than tree supports). Edit: I have not tried Superslicer, maybe I'll change my opinion after I give that a try.

[@dys3d]

This is bad. They use the Prusa in a lot of their videos because they keep consistency in testing. You take out as many variables as possible when testing things like filament types. You need to back away from the tinfoil hat and go back to making product/informative videos rather than the conspiracy theory. I was a huge cura fan, have switched to superslicer because I get even more control in the slicer (both have pros and cons)

[@capthowdy126]

i always wanted to build a voron but the cost is what always kept me away even the cheapest one is being the zero is almost a grand just to buy the parts an u still have to print all the printed parts so ive always wanted one but just cant see me ever spending this much on another printer with what i have already.

[@AgentDexter47]

I own a modded ender 3, but on work I have a prusa. To be honest when people ask me for recommendations I say "ender if you want to tinker with the 3D printer, and prusa of you just want to print" Bambu X1 is far too young to recommend. My ender 3 worked great for first few months but then the build surface started to lose adhesion, PTFE tube started to degrade, plastic extruder broke. I have no problem with that but most of the people I ask just don't want to deal with that. I started with CURA but over time I had bugs, and hated the accordion style interface and went to prusa slicer. I just recently heard about SuperSlicer and to be honest I don't I see any reason to switch if I am currently satisfied.

[@Wolny248]

From my side: I'm from Poland Everything blog, manual, soft, prusaslicerare in polish. Not after week, month etc. Everything is the same time as english,czech, german. Very helpfull community. It is better than better printer without good community support. I had Mk3 Mini and Ender. To think the Prusa is better than Ender is the same problem like think the Ender is better than Prusa. Develop something for community. Help other user. Give some helpfull for others. Not make another war Prusa contra rest of 3d community!

[@ahow8017]

I never noticed the Prusa use on their channels. I would like to think that they just like the printer. I like my Ender 3 V2. I find myself using it the most just because I have had it for the longest and have tweaked the settings/slicer to almost perfection. Although I am finding I have started using different printers when switching between different filaments to minimize setup time. Just my thoughts.

[@fenrir4046]

Commercial KZbinrs are never about "I just like the printer".

[@ahow8017]

@@fenrir4046 I agree, I just never really gave it much thought before.

[@realmuchdoge]

I'm seriously amazed by your content! Not because it's good or informative, but because I don't know how you managed to survive this long on three braincells which seemingly fire at will. Great job and keep doing you 👍

[@matteo23battini]

I like voron especially the v0. However I don't understand why the gantry system of the v2 contains so much plastic parts. I think that 3d printed parts should be used with parsimony and caution, that's why I would prefer buying a ratrig. It has less 3d printed parts, they seem sturdier and most of the critical components are connected directly to the frame. I would like to se more projects that maximize the use of sheet metal parts instead of relying on plastic ones

[@simonschneider5913]

totally agree with that. I am thinking about this issue with using 3d printed parts in the wrong places for some time, maybe this winter something is going to be built...ideally an easily scalable design. if anybody has similar plans I would be happy to exchange ideas..

[@CanuckCreator]

Because the design goal of a voron is no custom parts required, thus no machine plates like in a ratrig.

[@simonschneider5913]

@@CanuckCreator which is a fantastic concept, and has been implemented just as well... however, coming from the world of machining hardened steel, i cant get over the rather optimistic designs of many parts in many printers...I might be going overboard with this, but i think the use of sheet metal or maybe standardized parts would not add too much custom machining when looking at the benefits of stiffness and rigidity in critical places.

[@CanuckCreator]

@@simonschneider5913 I come from a mold making background, so similiar as well Ive got machines with 2+ years with the exact same printed parts under HEAVY use with zero issue, and know people on the team who HAVE tried the machined parts that are offered for voron builds by some vendors, there is VERY little, if any noticable difference in actual print quality between printed and machined parts on a voron Dont forget, 3d printers have no real loads on the toolhead, no cutting forces, they just need to content with the forces of movement really, and they can be pretty forgiving at our scale with material choices

[@simonschneider5913]

@@CanuckCreator a fellow moldmaker? love it! ....so now I see where the apron is coming from... 😉 i know the loads are minimal compared to machining, but i was concerned about high speeds leading to increased loads and vibrations, and creeping(is that the correct term?).....but maybe printed parts might even do some dampening i guess? My experience is quite limited until now, so I am happy to learn. if those crazy fast vorons can do their thing for years without creeping or other issues, I hope somebody makes a nice video about it. "VERY little, if any noticable difference" - what do you mean?

[@youngswoops]

Prusa is good for people who started out in 3D printing compared to creality,etc. makerbot/ ultimaker sold out to stratisys (I butchered that spelling) which means it for small companies and high end use because of the closed system. Once you get to your second printer you get tired of chasing faults and prusa customer support makes it easy to fix problems and most times for free. Have you dealt with ultimaker/maker bot sales team? Get upgraded parts? Once again prusa is now for the maker ultimaker/makerbot is for the professional. The price and customer support reflect that. This is capitalism everything is for sale even makers. What bigger companies are buying is the loyal user base. Every company starts off fighting for the little guy and then goes mainstream for a bigger share of the market. So to keep things open source you have to take the money out of it. Like blender for example.

[@fenrir4046]

Excuse me? Does Prusa send a little Czech man to help you get around first layer issues? Is that how their support works?

[@Fejszi]

@@fenrir4046 I see you dumba*ss under every comment that even slightly puts anything about Prusa in a positive light, no they don't send a technician to you house, but they will try to resolve your issue in max 5 minutes... Just because some people can use community guides to resolve their issue, many can't....

[@JohnDStrand]

I enjoyed your video on the 3-in-1 nozzle that you had mounted to your Geeeeetech (did I get enough e's in there?). I keep watching. I loved the series on upgrading the delta and the Ender to make it a better machine. And I'm looking forward to more videos on the motorhome. Please continue to make content.

[@Bennett_Lab]

What's funny is that Tom has said he has no interest in Klipper because of their "toxic community". Last time I checked that's what Vorons run on

[@CanuckCreator]

or RRF, we have a whole channel in the discord for it

[@difflocktwo]

lol

[@kazolar]

@@CanuckCreator true, but Tom admittedly got a lot of hate from the Voron community for going the rrf route. His decision was for the swappable print plate project, but regardless, you may not do it personally, but many in the Voron community have also thrown a lot of hate at slice...have you not seen a number of pei build plates sold for voron with f slice emblazoned on them? Don't pretend it's peace a love. I love my v2.4, but I've had friends who built along with me start to worry about the slice hate and how it will impact further development. We use slice hotends, the community has shown clear animosity to them.

[@CanuckCreator]

Any large community will have bad apples, the agitators of that event that were on our discord at the time were removed fyi. As for fslice stuff, the company that makes those is an independent company free to do what they want bringing something to market, hey, all the power to em. Also, this is an OS project by volunteers, if someone doesnt want to develope a specific hotend mount, we cant force them. Not everyone on the team shares the same opinions, i and a few others run their hotends FYI

[@fenrir4046]

I've no idea why one would choose their firmware based on community.

[@CraftedChannel]

Voron and Prusa are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Prusa is reputably how you blow much too much money for a reliable beginning. Voron is for those who want to move into the top range of quality and tuning potential. A community forms around any widely used product or activity above a box of Kleenex. It's the era of the internet. People can easily get involved and stay informed on whatever it is they are interested in. Who knows, maybe there is a Kleenex forum somewhere. People are weird. But I will tell you, in hobbies, a huge chunk of the revenue comes from beginners. There is nothing ethically wrong with making primarily beginner-oriented goods. Who wants the new Prusa? It's not enclosed, it's a wagon wheel.

[@skyamar]

I really had put myself the same question after I wached Stephan's episode... Why prusa when he has Voron?! Strange...

[@jace055]

Try having a conversation about facial tissues without mentioning Kleenex. I think this is the reason you hear so much about Prusa in videos and the internet. Their name has become synonymous with 3d printing, for good or for bad. The MK3s+ is an old outdated design but they have tuned the absolute crap out of the ancient hardware. Their user guides are setup for the absolute beginner. This is great for someone just getting into the hobby. Even in your video comparing the MK3 to the Fokoos you mentioned the test print failed and had to be restarted on the Fokoos. The Prusa just worked. It wasn't the best print but it worked. This is the experience that you get for a $750 8-bit 6 year old printer. The pain points are the cost of entry and not failed prints. There are plenty of failed prints on Prusa machines and a sample size of one won't tell you anything. I'm just pointing it out. I am not here as a shill for Prusa. I think their pricing is WAY too high to be considered entry level and for the hardware you get. I think in the same price range you would be better off getting a Bambu X1 but until recently this wasn't an option and it has yet to be seen how those will stand the test of time.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

I get it, but it's kind of a weak claim. Kleenex was the first tissue. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_tissue#:~:text=In%201924%2C%20facial%20tissues%20as,by%20Kimberly%2DClark%20as%20Kleenex. Brand names which are synonymous with the item are typically the first. By your reasoning every 3D Printer would be called a Stratasys.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

There is really nothing special about Prusa. They've just done a REALLY good job of inserting themselves into the subtext of all 3D printer conversations on the internet. When you get into actual professional circles where decision makers do their thing Prusa is a joke. That's why Stratasys is still able to sell $35,000 3D printers to business clients.

[@jace055]

@@DesignPrototypeTest I agree. We should call it a Stratasus. As I said I’m not looking to give excuses for them. I honestly don’t care. But the Prusa name has become synonymous in the industry for years.

[@jace055]

@@DesignPrototypeTest also, follow up question. In the currently saturated market for entry level printers, what do you recommend? You seemed to speak highly of the Fookos in your video. I was just curious of your take.

[@yeroca]

I hope Stephan and Tom respond to this. If they are taking product-placement ad revenue from Prusa, they ought to disclose that to their followers, at least in the video description.

[@sprkplg]

Damn… and I ordered a X1C, too. It’s such a sexy machine to have on video, I’m having doubts now.

[@MrFamousguy13]

Lol this man is just after Prusa lmao I like it keep going brother

[@benmorin9552]

Prusa makes good printers, not great printers, good printers, printers that may not be the fastest or the largest or the fanciest, but printers that work well. That is why they are so popular.

[@Bennett_Lab]

I do always wonder why they use their Prusa 8 bit printers instead of the Bamboo. My only thought was that maybe the thought is many more people have a prusa (not me) (I have 4 other printers) and there for is more accessible to people. That said, they definitely are Prusa pushers. You bring up valid points. I wish I could least have my 3D printer passion be void of politics but that's just not he world we live in anymore.

[@fenrir4046]

It's actually comical as I recall at least CNCkitchen has heavily modded his Prusa, including an off-brand control board. I could be misinformed or recall incorrectly, it's been a while since I bothered to watch his content.

[@retromodernart4426]

@@fenrir4046 You're right, I saw that episode...

[@danielkrah5129]

@@fenrir4046 yes mini5+. DPT Prusa bashing ist just stupid. "We had Makerbot before." Oh wow less than 1 Month between the Makerbot replicator and the first i3 design. Oh and the Mendel was BEFORE the Makerbot so DPT lies again... the makerbot was released january 2012 and the i3 february 2012.

[@fenrir4046]

@@danielkrah5129 Mendel != Prusa?

[@danielkrah5129]

@@fenrir4046 so the prusa mendel (prusa simplified mendel) made by josef prusa wasn't made by prusa. That is interesting. Thanks for the information.

[@printerpr0n]

Patents protect the little guys? Wasn't it Stratasys who has sued multiple companies? Are we not just now only getting heated chambers cause the patent expired?

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

This subject is WAY too involved to discuss in the comment section. Thankfully, all of my views on the subject can be ascertained by watching my interview on the 3D Print General's channel. It's true that large corporations leverage patents more effectively than the guy down the street in his workshop., but the intent of patents is for small creators to have protection. In the case of 3DPRN, vs. Prusa the Patent is functioning as intended.

[@funkytizzletelevizzl]

Very interesting and refreshing second perspective. I like it. A lot of valid points and Joey Prusa seems to be a funky fellow... I started out to find a decent new semi industrial grade machine just recently and have a Purse XL and a Qidi Max on preorder. I have to say I changed my opinion a bit because now my perspective changed. A complex and uncertain world we live in. I think many people want to bullshit you and it's good to get knowledge about business models out there that where hidden otherwise 😀

[@JamieKhau]

May I suggest a Voron Delta? Then compare it to Trilab

[@CMDR_Hadion]

I didn’t think there was such a thing. I did a brief search for voron delta and found nothing. Care to elaborate?

[@JamieKhau]

@@CMDR_Hadion Sure. I found this channel when searching for delta reviews so, to me, I remember this channel for deltas. Since, no one is working on a Voron delta, I thought it would be fitting if Design Prototype Test created a Voron delta. Deltas are fast and have a flying gantry; they're practically a V2.4. Plus deltas are fun to watch. If not a delta, then maybe a tool changer. I don't think anyone is working on a Voron tool changer either. I think the channel's creator (sorry, I don't know your name) also has a E3D tool changer and has ideas for improvements.

[@rollingr1535]

Another great video, I just returned my prusa mk3s+ because of your insights. There is no way I'm paying 800 dollars for an ancient printer that is supposedly "the best." Waiting for my Bambu lab to arrive now. Thank you for giving me a new perspective. Keep up the good work 👍

[@nicholasfranks6630]

"How to completely obliterate your KZbin channel with pointless complaining 2 of 2" There, I fixed your video title.

[@fenrir4046]

You didn't even watch it.

[@nicholasfranks6630]

@@fenrir4046 The entire video. I've seen every video he has put out. However, this one is my last. I have a limited amount of time in the day, and no time to watch a guy whine over losing a measuring contest with himself.

[@nathan-shearer]

I have never purchased anything from Prusa, and I don't really intend too -- mainly because I buy the cheapest garbage filament I can find lol. I built a Voron with parts that I printed from my modified Ender 3 using the cheapest bargain filament I could find, and even with cheap filament the results are great provided your settings are tuned well. It was actually not that hard to build because the documentation is great. It definitely did take some time to complete, but that is also part of the fun. Being a DIY printer means I can very easily modify it with some radical changes and everything I need is fully open source and actually available (which some open source projects are tightly controlled). Way back when rep rap was new and Prusa was new, it was plainly obvious to me that Prusa was going to focus on brand and consumables. And since the delivered price of those consumables is considerably higher than what I normally buy it basically disqualified them for me. I outright refuse to consider machines that have DRM controlled consumables on principal alone. I don't even care if they claim better quality than the best open source machine. If the platform is walled off then I won't buy it.

[@Spartyo]

Good thing Prusa isn't DRM controlled?

[@jckf]

This topic is actually quite complex. Reviewers accepting money, products, or services in exchange for favorable videos, comments, or product placement without disclosing it is not new, and absolutely does happen. What we as consumers should always do; is to be critical of the information we are given, and not accept the preaching of just a few sources as gospel. Ask yourself _why_ someone might be praising the product they are, and if there is tangible and objective proof that it actually is better. In this case; are you actually seeing that the Prusa printers and software is easier to use / produces higher quality prints / is more reliable? I don't own anything from that company, so I'm not in a position to have an opinion on the matter, but this video is a nice reminder that people often have hidden agendas that you might not be aware of.

[@JarlBeirut]

Tom made a video addressing this topic a few days ago. Without acknowledging your video, it must be coincidental that he chose to do it now. I don't know what I think about hes arguments though, he wants to paint Prusa as "the Apple of 3D-printing" by saying it just works. I have never owned a Prusa so I don't know if it is that great. It doesn't seem to be on Apple-level to me. My main 3D-printer is a Creality Ender-6 with Klipper installed, that machine is amazing when it works but it does require a lot of tinkering. The first 3D-printer I had was a FlashForge Finder and that thing just worked, almost never had any issue that wasn't due to my own tinkering. That is what made me think, how come FlashForge can offer a machine that "just works" with their own in-house slicer and injection folded parts, for less than a Prusa? Flashforge caters to both the consumer market and the professional market while Prusa is only catering the consumer market. Wouldn't it make sense that Prusa is cheaper? The frequent shirt-swaps in Thomas video seems to be a hint about the sponsorships, not sure how to interpret that though. Is it meant to show that he has integrity by parodying himself?

[@DianosAbael]

Have to point I use Prusaslicer as well, cura interface is a mess and Slic3r is usually behind the schedule for updates. To me is pretty straight 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ilyaspirin]

Thanks for your valuable point of view. Now I look at Prusa differently. P.S. Today 3D Printing Nerd released their amazing video "Prusa 10th Anniversary UNBOXING + CHILL" - Kids, let's look again at an overpriced and obsolete 3D printer with 8-bit board, BUT with a DIFFERENT color palette!!! Many bloggers have stopped saying something new since 2018-2019... After 2020 for me it's Endless Groundhog Day

[@crawlerin]

Prusa does not control VORON.

[@eraldylli]

Prusa controls EVERYTHING!!1

[@EightNineOne]

If you rearrange the letters in Prusa, then add a few more it spells USA governmentsp. Think about it! Open your eyes sheeple!

[@AJayTheStageArtist]

@@eraldylli will Prusa control World 🤣🤣🤣

[@eraldylli]

@@AJayTheStageArtist Are you not listening?! Prusa (Sauron) using his minions (the orcs) are stealing (the life) of our printers.

[@toalan]

As for why CNC kitchen used the mk3s rather than a better printer can be for multiple mundane reasons from; maybe he is printing something else on his better printers or his better printers have some small malfunction etc... But my guess is he is building a voron like a typical voron builder would so that his content is relatable to the viewer. Most voron builders print the parts using a bed slinger in a carboard box using esun ABS+ because real ABS will warp like a mofo. Mk3s in a grow tent is a reasonable approximation to an ender 3 in a carboard box. Also he might be interested in seeing how good esun ABS+ is. I printed my voron out of pure ABS on my ancient 2014 qidi tech 1, makerbot replicator clone. I had a spool of esun ABS+ and carbord box ready if my qidi was not up for the task but qidi got it done albeit not great looking and a bunch of parts had to be reprinted because of warp.

[@Chris-1974]

I have a Bambu Lab Carbon X1. It almost feels like cheating.

[@Fejszi]

enjoy spending 45 dollars when you have a jam in the hotend :D

[@Chris-1974]

@@Fejszi they just sent me a free hotend... Kickstart extended goal... I love this machine. And I never have jams in any of me printers... Ever! Jams are due to poor slicer settings or bad maintanance.

[@dumdumreviews7436]

Why you talked whole your video about Prusa, I'm building Vzbot 330. 😁 Rapido hotend and LGX Lite 👍

[@OriginalAirsoftGasser]

I would never pay that kind of money for a printer that I can print at home, Prusa uses out dated technology and can never be improved upon and all the parts are 3d printed, how much filament is there exactly in an entire Prusa printer, it would be interesting to see a manufacturing cost brakedown video based off building a Prusa using Aliexpress.

[@fenrir4046]

Building a Prusa using aliexpress is at tops 150€ Direct comparison is nonsensical though, as no person right in the head would use exactly same style components for a build. Prusa has sub-optimal hotend, heated bed, control system, extruder... Etc. If you were doing a scratch build, you'd opt for better components.

[@grogyan]

@@fenrir4046 building a basic 3d printer is pretty cheap, until you realise that to get it to a serious point of reliability, you've just tripled the cost. Some of Prusa's machines may appear to be outdated, however the fact remains that the tech can Print. You can also say that the generation would use more updated electronics, and linear rails With the current silicon shortages is the reason why the next generation hasn't come out. An Ender3 is out of box rubbish. Same deal, spend several hundred more to get it up to a reliable level. RatRig is pretty good. But these are all cheap machines. Even the pretty Vorons. Which are very expensive kits

[@fenrir4046]

@@grogyan What do you mean by reliability? You do realize that, as along as we're staying under 250x250, the difference between vslot "linear motion" and actual linear rails is quite irrelevant? You're bottlenecked by so many other things.

[@OriginalAirsoftGasser]

@@grogyan I've got an Ender 5 pro which I bought in the Creality sale, fitted a Biqu h2 to it, copper heatbreak and hardened steel nozzle, added bed supports and put some aluminium corner braces on every possible corner and a PEI flex plate, I only print PETG, produces exactly the same quality prints as all the other people that I know with stupid expensive printers do, why is that? Because they can't print PETG fast. It's been printing strong for 2 years now. It's not about what you have, it's about knowing how to use it and Prusa are overpriced, I could have bought 2 Ender 5 pro's and modded them for the price of 1 prusa.

[@grogyan]

@@OriginalAirsoftGasser sounds like you did spend double. But you got my drift. The other thing too is that prusa is a business, that employs staff, and provides after sales support. Really the "overpriced" feeling is justified when taking into account those things. Same with Ultimaker

[@Dustinspeed1]

I am trying to find any maker content in this video. Didn't you use to make videos about being a maker?

[@crow782]

ar you going to delete all my comment?

[@LisaHarsh]

I love my Bambu. The Bambu makes buying the MK3s pure stupidity. Without the AMS it is basically the same price as the fully built Prusa. Which you cannot compare to the kit, since the Bambu is fully built. I have been spending time upgrading my Ender and Vyper using the Bambu. I have had some errors with the Bambu but I use it almost non stop.

[@motelgrim]

I agree 100% I've give a LOT to have a Bambu. Hell, even a Voron would be great. At the moment I'm using a pretty awesomely upgraded Ender but if I had a Bambu, I wouldn't use it hardly ever I don't think. The idea of wanting a Prusa feels just like you said : stupidity. Knowing how they're made, and what they're made of, makes the price a LUDICROUS option. I honestly don't know how they became so popular. Things have been tough in the extreme for us so whatever option I manage to afford moving forward is going to be actual high - end. Not a thrown together PETG thing like Prusa.

[@Fejszi]

enjoy a locked down proprietary ecosystem :D :D

[@LisaHarsh]

@@Fejszi for what that is for, it’s fine. I mod my other printers.

[@Fejszi]

@@LisaHarsh I am talking about the fact that if the company ever flops (learn from Anet) you won't be able to buy any parts for it...

[@LisaHarsh]

@@Fejszi oh I know. Why I promote it so it won’t fail. Actually they have put stuff up on GitHub.

[@allochi]

Hi, I love your channel, and I really enjoy your content, I do have a Prusa printer, and I do enjoy it, but I also wished for more, no complains about my Prusa, but I also wishing for faster printing time and other options. I have a suggestion, you are a capable industrial engineer and very knowledgeable in the subject, why don't you create your own project, take the community in a design journey to build what would be great and efficient 3d printer, make it open source, let the people worldwide build it with you, and run tests and feedback the project, compare design decision to other printers out there Prusa and other. I think this would be interesting from several points, it would be educational, it would give you the chance to make the case against bad design decision made by other designs, it could be a business for you to provide the spare parts, you will be creating probably the goto printer for the next +5 years. I have been watching your channel for several years now, and I do trust the technical knowledge that you share, it would be really interesting to join you in such a journy.

[@damo2142]

Not to diminish Voron as it does look like a nice printer but not in the affordable price for many hobbyists. From what I have seen the price for parts and building a Voron is not far off from a Prusa . Both are extremely high priced compared to something like an Ender 3 or Flsun Delta. For half the cost I can purchase and tinker with upgrades for and Ender 3 and end up,with something more than capable of printing just a good as any of the high end names like Prusa or Voron plus it adds to the fun and hobby of tinkering with a printer. Maybe if you are looking at something beyond hobby use or tinkering then sure one of the more expensive units makes sense just to setup and start making money or producing a product. Many of these printers you see all the channels reviewing like the BIQU, the Vorons or Prusa are not hobbyist printers as anything above 500 dollars is no longer hobbyist but for people making products for resell prototypes all beyond hobbyist level. Hobbyist level printers are your Enders and Chinese clones under 500 US dollars that can be upgraded and expanded upon. The vast majority of these reviewers while worth watching are not hobbyists and either professional users or professional reviewers who get either paid to review or free merchandise so cannot compare them to those of us spending our hard earned money on a hobby. I have more respect for the small channels that are actually spending their money on reviewing for the hobby.

[@CMDR_Hadion]

I’m going to have to stop you there. While you can make an ender/ender clone as good as a prusa, you cannot make it as good as a voron. In terms of print quality, basically every modern FDM machine is damn near even compared to ye-olden days. Speed is the new frontier. My highly modified ender 3 pro with about $300 usd of mods can reliably print at 100mm/s with 7k acceleration. Much better than stock. My voron 0.0 is also highly modified. It prints at up to 1 METER per second with a conservative 15k acceleration for high quality prints.

[@damo2142]

@@CMDR_Hadion Not disagreeing at all but for a basic hobbyist is the increase in speed worth the added cost? To be honest I do not understand at all the obsession with print speed for a hobbyist. If I just set up a print and walk away to come back 3 hours later and grab the print or 1 hour later what is the worth in price of printer? I was not trying to,downgrade the Voron but just do not see what the big love of them that everyone makes such a big deal about. If the only big benefit is speed then that is way down the list in basic requirements for a hobbyist. Basic hobby printer requirements as least from my viewpoint in order of highest to lowest are dimensional accuracy, quality, cost, materials it can print, speed. For this order a good setup and slightly modified Ender or Clone will work. I will agree that a CORE XY does offer better speeds and many of the other requirements that a standard bed slinger like a Prusa or many other does not but Voron is not the only one that has those. I personally have a layer fused X301 I built for about 300 US dollars. Can any Voron be build for that? I am actually asking honestly because from what I can see the Voron is more of a kit than design files you print and purchase everything you need form wherever and put together, I could be totally wrong so please tell me if I am. I also have heavy modified Enders 3 first version, Ender 3 Pro, Flsun Q5, and a Geetech A20 that is stock. All of these print well when I am not tinkering again because of the hobby aspect. Usually one or more are down because I tinker.

[@CMDR_Hadion]

@@damo2142 I guess we come from different facets of the 3D printing community. If you're from the cosplay facet, the nerd-culture facet, the miniature facet, or any other facet where the primary activity is downloading someone's well-crafted model from the internet & printing, I would agree, speed is relatively meaningless. You're only printing one thing, one time, and if it fails, you just re-print it, no big deal. I come from the Maker & Design aspect of the hobby, specifically the mechanical design facet. In order to create one functional part, I often have to design and print 3 to upwards of 20 prototypes, depending on the complexity of the part, obviously. The time spent printing these prototypes is time not spent on testing, recording data, & re-iterating, i.e, doing your hobby. If a print fails (and at some point it will) that's even more delay keeping you from actually doing what you want. For us, 3D printers & 3D printing are just one tool of many, not the focus of our hobby. And you want all of your tools to be as accurate, reliable, & fast at their jobs as your pocketbook can afford. You are correct in the hierarchy of need for 3D printers, though some would put speed over material choice. It's just that *every* printer these days are dimensionally accurate & have decent print quality. Hell, many entry level printers these days can print CF-Nylon. You can pick up a refurbished Ender 3 and a full metal heat-break for a total of $120, and it will print the exact same model, with damn near the same quality as a $1400 Voron. You're not wrong that an Ender 3 will do the job, it will, I've had an E3 pro since 2019, and it was doing an okay job, with substantial fuss due to a warped bed, & poor QA on the part of Creality until the mainboard died a month ago. An adjustable wrench will attach a bolt, just not well all of the time (Ender 3). A box-crescent wrench will attach a bolt & never mar the head (Prusa). A ratchet will do the same, but faster. (Voron). The Bambu in this case is like an Impact driver with a torque limiter, a flashlight & a fucking bubble level. You can get the job done with any of these tools, but each step up the price chain will let you do more. As for price, the Voron 0 can be made for around $400 (less if you source the parts yourself) but it's only something I would consider worth it if you are a maker on a budget (who makes small parts), already have a Voron, RatRig, or similar & need a second printer for concurrent design, or someone who wants to get into the #SpeedBoatRace (Good luck, 3min24sec is a hard time to beat). Other than that, good luck building a Voron for under $800. The Voron project isn't trying to become the next Ender 3. Part of the reason the community loves it is because it is pushing the technology of the at home 3D printing industry forwards. Without the Vorons of the world, we would absolutely not have something like the Bambu Lab coming out, at least not in the next 5-10 years. That's why there is so much love for them. I haven't heard of the X301, is it a good machine? I can't find a review of it.

[@damo2142]

@@CMDR_Hadion The 301 is not a bad design at all and I am very happy with it. I can see where for uses like yours where speed would be a factor. The difference is for me the 3d printers are a hobby that I occasionally use as a tool but the actual printers are the hobby. Sounds like for you a 3d printer is a tool used for a hobby so more apt to spend more money on the tool. No different than a professional mechanic buying MAC rolls where I would find it stupid to spend 300 dollars on a wrench that cheap 25 dollar wrench from Harbor Freight works just as well. For me sure I print the occasional mini or something but then I just use one of my 2 resin printers. Now resin printers are something I wish had more him built hobby style like a Voron or X301 or many others that you could tinker with and improve but you seem sort of stuck when it comes to resin. I hope that resin printing will someday move more into the hobby community. I also own 3018 mini CNC and K40 laser both of which are no longer stock bought cheap and modified. Maybe I am the odd one as all of these are plain old toys for me that I will occasionally use to print a mini, make a small gift or most of the time that are used to fix or enhance something around the house that fails. I just draw up what I need and go print it off, laser cut it or mill it. Got into the hobby about 2015 and still not found a way to make money or anything with any of the toys so just became an expensive tinkerer hobby. For me the holy grail that I have spent a fortune on is multi material printing but a good multilateral printer still eludes me and I have tried about everything. What makes the Voron so good? Is it the actual design, the hardware or software? I know for me the big thing has always been the control board so first thing I do with any printer I buy or build is install or replace the board with a Duet 3d board. I absolutely love the Duet board. I have been looking at trying Klipper lately just not done it yet. I have everything I need laying around to convert one to Klipper just not found a good enough reason lately to want to tinker with it . I hear it is awesome and I believe the Voron is built around Klipper if I am correct. The reality is I have enough money invested in tinkering and spare parts to probably build 4 or 5 Vorons and at some point I will build one just for the sure fun of it. I suppose my side of 3d printing revolves around the building, repairing and upgrading aspect than the actual printing so that skews my view a lot. I will tell you stay away from a Makertech Axis kit they are garbage have one sitting in pieces still because not worth putting together. Also bought one of their switching hot ends and it never worked very well so also sitting in pieces until I kind get around to messing with it again.

[@damo2142]

@@CMDR_Hadion Should have started my late reply with the fact I agree with all you said. I would never take away from the Voron or the community around it nor would I from those who love the Prusa. Personally I am going to build a Voron one day but would ever own something like a Prusa, LulzBot, Tevo or one of those other overly high priced factory printers. What makes a Prusa worth 800 dollars when you can get an Ender 3 for as low as 100 dollars. I just picked up my latest Ender for 99 at Microtech during a big sale. The printers I mentioned are vastly overpriced heck a LulzBot is 800 minimum and for what? I enjoy this channel and some of the other smaller channels because they seem to be about the hobby of 3d printing not spokespeople for the manufacturers. If someone was always handing me 800 dollar and up printers I would be all about that but then I lose the purity of the hobby and I am now one of those many influencers. I wonder how many of the other channels like Salander or CNC kitchen and more would own a Prusa or Bamboo labs if they were buying it? Just look at how the upcoming Bamboo labs printer has hit the entire channel list and handed it out to every one of the major channels recently but how many people can afford a 1500 dollar printer for a hobby? While it does look like an excellent printer with awesome features is it worth 1500 dollars and if someone is giving me expensive stuff for free how objective am I going to be about it if I want people to keep giving me stuff for free? The thing that has made the home hobby side grow is not the big companies producing expensive printers but rather the smaller community built printers like the Voron, X301 and many others along with the low price lines like Ender, Geetech and the clones not these overhyped companies like Prusa and many others that have so many crazy fan boys. Let’s face it how many people for a hobby can afford those. It is the hobby builders and tinkerers that advance the home market. By the way funny you mention the speed racing community that is an aspect I really do not understand but to each their own. Seem really silly to me but again that is just another interest people have but we need things like that because the advance the hobby for all of us eventually. Many people would say me spending more time building and tinkering with my printers then I actually spend printing is silly. Most of my printers are in pieces or being modified way more hours than they are actually printing. The community needs all types but I would say the fan boys who support and push the manufacturer’s like Prusa or any of the other off the shelf overpriced printers do nothing to advance the hobby. Maybe early on these manufacturers advanced the hobby but no longer just because of sure price. Who is going to take a good working Prusa you spent 809 dollars on and tinker to improve it and advance the hobby when you can buy a 150 dollar Ender and tear up 4 of them for the cost of one Prusa. It is the risks and tinkering that advances the hobby. This is something you do not see on many of the channels now and one of the reasons I actually like this channel. It was on this channel where I watched him upgrade an Flsun Q5 delta that I then did to my and it made that an excellent printer instead of mediocre at best. Also got introduced to the Duet here which is a beautiful board and well worth the cost over a Marlin board. Also before someone says I am badmouthing some of the other channels I am not and enjoy watching all of them. However I do question how objective someone is when they are being given free stuff.

[@joseholguin436]

I do agree. Prusa should give credit to the creators or sources of the technology they use in their printers. Their advertising is misleading, its low

[@gitss7367]

Myself I don't sub either of those guys nor do I check out many of their videos in the last year. I don't get much useful practical knowledge from either. A lot of .4mm nozzle stuff, a lot of PLA prints, and a lot of tests that don't what I need for practical applications. Another eruo based 3d print channel I do find very helpful is Igor at My Tech Fun. He even included new tests in the last year based on suggestions or questions from comments. As for the germans when i do rewatch various filament reviews or head to head tests I am amazed at the pushing of prusament filament and it's "reasonable" price. In Europe it may be reasonable but here in the US a roll of plain PLA is so expensive you can start buying rolls of nylon from US manufactures in the same price range. In 3 years of trying to learn 3d printing for functional practical prints I have learned avoid videos with orange machines as I won't get much practical info and I will be encouraged to buy overpriced products.

[@fenrir4046]

"prusament" price is far from reasonable over here in the EU too. Most expensive of it's class, always. I've never actually used it, but I can't possibly see how they could justify the outrageous price.

[@Fejszi]

@@fenrir4046 ohhh fernrir my great buddy, you talk about a product you never even tried thats so funny.... though I think its great to have options, some people buy filament for 10 euros some people buy for 30, I think thats their choice

[@Brandon5799]

Dude in your last video you stated you wanted all this to end and be left alone but you’re still rambling on about Prusa and Voron. NERO in one of his last streams stated over and over he’d suggest several printers over Prusa. If you want it all to end quit bringing up peoples name and accusing them of collusion against you. And further more who cares who uses what printer on their channels…it’s their channels so let them do and say what they want it’s their channel and I don’t see them making video dedicated to attacking you like you have the past month. Just end it for the community, the internet has enough drama you’re clearly only adding to it.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Me quitting is not the same as this ending. I'm not the one DOXing or Phishing ad hominem, or villifying my opponents in a tribalistic manner in forums where they can't defend themselves.. I'm bringing legitimate criticisms against bad behavior. Bad behavior which I have suffered the result of for 5 years. When I make videos having nothing to do with this, these people still attack me. You're just asking me to quit. Why would you ask that of me? See, from my point of view it feels like I'm doing the right thing. Nobody's convinced me then I'm doing the wrong thing yet. 90% of the push back is just ad hominem insults trying to take away my value as a person. Why would you ask me to stop doing the right thing?

[@Brandon5799]

I don’t see the point of continuing the drama. If you think you’re in the right then fine you’re entitled to that but with that said be the better man then and quit throwing other names and channels into it. Just because someone likes or uses a certain printer in their videos doesn’t mean they are spokesmen for that company. Tom has also stated that there are just as good if not better printers in the $1000 range than Prusa. People like Prusa because they work, they are reliable and parts and tech help are in abundance. It doesn’t mean they are on Prusa’s side, they’re making videos how they see fit simply as that. Continuing this path of drawing more names into this feud is pointless and as I stated only adding to the drama. I don’t see them dedicating video after video about you in this same fashion. Step back and breathe, I’m not taking sides or shots at anybody I’m just saying enough is enough. The drama has spread from your videos not anyone else’s. Have they responded, yes but who wouldn’t when you’re making video after video mentioning them. At this rate when Tom and Stefan respond you’ll claim they’re in collusion or paid by Prusa too. When does your conspiracy theory end? Just quit throwing others names out there and they won’t respond it’s simple.

[@tadhgd350]

poor angry little man

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Are you one of those orphans abandoned in a USSR orphanage without human interaction? www.thisamericanlife.org/317/transcript What makes you think this is an appropriate response to my video? Do you understand normal human interaction?

[@tadhgd350]

@@DesignPrototypeTest are you a sock puppet for prusa to spread negativity about them to increase sales? lol

[@TJGoan]

I saw this new video and thought it provided some context/history for why PRUSA may be, as you say, the subtext for 3D printing. This isn't the first time a company was in the right place at the right time and their leaders received more attention/credit than perhaps they warranted (e.g., Steve Jobs) but the company origin story is pretty interesting in my opinion. I knew none of this before today. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6C1e417o9J7aKc

[@armoth6958]

hey, you have potential to grow into huge channel. this however is going to take you in the opposite direction,and i think everyone subscribed would like to see your channel grow. Please focus on making the great content you ve been making.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Please read the description. I'll give you a few minutes.

[@leondegrelle8410]

Ok Shlomo

[@user-ni8lb2vr5t]

@@DesignPrototypeTest please keep on making videos about how bad prusa is and how vorom might be a secret operation by prusa

[@armoth6958]

@@leondegrelle8410toxic are we?

[@armoth6958]

@@DesignPrototypeTest ok, next time I’ll just read the description. And not watch your video. Bye bye sir. I was actually trying to help you. I wonder who is toxic now?

[@buckeye0174]

I want that x1 so bad

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Me too.

[@buckeye0174]

@@DesignPrototypeTest if I get one before you, you can borrow it to try out. Or maybe mark and I should come visit you’re new lab!

[@Fejszi]

locked down proprietary ecosystem :D , I can't I just can't get over this :D

[@ahmedlazreg6373]

"Why does Stephan and other people use a Prusa MK3S while they have other printers ??" maybe just because the Prusa MK3S just works!!! I own multiple printers, and sincerly everytime I want to try something I just trigger the MK3S because it"s reliable and most important, its results are always consistent and reproductibles, and this is an important aspect when you want to try something new or try to change a parameter and check how it affects your prints. Bamboolab printer is awesome (I don't own one) but it use too much advanced technologies to make its results comparable to other printers. It uses a lidar, it uses a CoreXY design, it uses a closed loop serving motor control, it has a casing to control temperature, this makes any comparison between it and its results with the rest of the world almost useless unless you compare it to a Voron, or to an Ultimaker wich cost $3000 or more. MK3S just works!!!!

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Let me suggest that the Prusa isn't better. It's just what you are used to. I now have a Prusa and I never use it. I choose any one of my printers with the Wireless Duet Control board installed because they just work and it's easier to wirelessly control them from my PC than it is to walk across the room and put an SD card into my Prusa. So, what you are doing is called post rationalization. You have an emotion and you are justifying a decision which was made without reason by applying reason to it after the fact.

[@ahmedlazreg6373]

@@DesignPrototypeTest I hear you, but don't think it's a matter of emotion. I have some MK3S with Duet boards, and some with SKR boards, and all others with Raspberry Pi and octoprint, so I almost don't use SDCard. I just prefer the MK3S because mecanically it just works. I don"t necessarily relay on Prusa firmware or on their software tools (I use SuperSlicer). While I can trigger any of my Sidewinder or CR10-Pro machines, the MK3S just 'mecanically" works everytime I use it (anyone in my print farm), so I just use it because I can have repetitive results and compare them. I then export settings and adapt parameters to my other (brand) printers and fine tune them. All of them works, but the MK3S is just a reliable work horse. NB. I'm not defending Thomas or Stephan (CNC..), I don't know them and I don't have any relation with Prusa and I find their prices too high (the MK3S should not be sold more than $450 in my opinion).

[@RefreshingJohn]

Dear Channel owner, why not you ask Prusa not to have ant Intellectual Protection since you are against patent system? This way, all 3D printing companies can just copy the innovations coming from their millions spent on R&D?

[@KennyEaton603]

I’m not sure about this, but I believe Tom Sanladerer (probably spelled wrong) has some degree of a relationship with Josef Prusa. I seriously doubt he paid for the Prusa printers he has. He probably has an endorsement/advertisement deal with him, and I’d be surprised if he didn’t. That said, I would think the reason they use the Prusa printers so much is they’re more “relatable” to the average person than things like the newer Bambu printer. Kind of like “if he can print that on a Prusa, I can print it on my Ender as they’re both similar printers”. The i3 is, as you have stated, outdated. They’re not the best, and easily matched by many Chinese printers. But I’d bet it has more to do with getting free stuff from Prusa whenever he releases something new.

[@sarmentinho]

Man, I had you subbed for more than two years. I like your approach into analysing and testing 3d stuff. I am a 3d printer owner since I started gathering pieces of hardware from where I could in 2015( aliexpress and other suppliers), to assemble by my own. And it has evolved a lot, and part of my upgrade validation came from sourcing information like your channel. I am also considering a Bondtech upgrade, (LGX Lite) been in contact with them for some clarification of doubts I had, and in some ways your review of LGX was the starting point. In regard of the subtle Prusa background, unfortunately, everything we see today in youtube has to be taken with a grain of salt, I don't believe in big reviewers without some investigation. I even unsubbed some of them due to feeling the spontaneous talking about x product became second priority due to NDA's and stuff. But here, it's been six months without some proper 3d stuff. I won't advice you to do this or that, your channel is your channel. And if you want to ban me, I understand. Sorry for my English, not native language. I am from Portugal's tiny Azores islands. ;)

[@Galaktican1]

Oh, its on! Its on everyone! 3D PRINTER RACE WAR!!!!

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Hyperbole doesn't help. It's a fact that humans are tribalistic. I'm simply encouraging Tom and Stefan to behave less so if that is indeed their motivation.

[@arathireddy7559]

the problem with the voron I have is that it has too many 3d printed parts compared to other designs.

[@fenrir4046]

Printed parts are not necessary an issue though. It comes down to how they are utilized and what material they are. I do however agree that Voron does use way too many 3d printed parts in inappropriate places.

[@yourt00bz]

@@fenrir4046 assuming money is no object can they be replaced with bespoken machined parts ? Maybe the kit sellers can reinvest in mould making so they can include more durable pre fab parts in their kits ?

[@fenrir4046]

@@yourt00bz From my experience, injection moulded parts are not much better than properly designed and printed parts. Of course, chinese vendors do supply aluminum parts for said kits. Unless you're going for heated enclosure, 3d printed parts will be just fine. ABS and ASA are generally fine for heated enclosures too, assuming you don't go much beyond their GTTs. PETG and PLA, of course, shouldn't be used for anything that comes in contact with something that feels warm to hand.

[@yourt00bz]

@@fenrir4046 wow thank you so much for these insights and carefully writing it. I am Very much not even a beginner with much to learn still.

[@yourt00bz]

@@fenrir4046 I do want to think about heated enclosure for voron but I’ll cross that bridge once I’ve buit it

[@CarsInDimension]

Talk about obsessed with Prusa. Me thinks thou dost protest a wee bit too much. As an out of the box solution for small businesses that can't afford thousands of dollars for their first printer, the Prusa i3 is well built and prints reliably. Is a cheap Ender a better choice for a hobbyist starting out? Maybe. Is it suitable for printing production parts right out of the box? Again, maybe, but can a business rely on maybe? Is the Prusa i3 perfect? No, but then it's also been cloned by people and companies around the world, including Creality so it's pretty clear that it's a solid design. You don't have to continueously fiddle with it and upgrade like you do with the cheaper Chinese clones. Will the Bambu supplant the i3 as the industry standard machine capable of making production parts? Perhaps, particularly because Prusa's upcoming CoreXY machine will be twice as expensive as the Bambu. The question that I have about the Bambu and CoreXY machines in general is how much structural strength in the finished part are you giving up for speed? Also, why isn't anyone selling completed Voron printers? I'm looking to make production parts, not spend weeks building and fine tuning a printer. I'm pretty sure that I could build a Voron as I've built a Prusa clone but as someone looking to make production parts, I'd prefer an out of the box solution.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

HA HA HA HA this comment is a pathetic attempt to throw my obscure words from a comment back at me. Because you are not Kenny Eaton this means you are either 1)A sock puppet master who is using a new avatar for this comment 2)Comparing notes with other obsessive haters on some other forum like a twisted fan club or 3)You are a lone stalker psycho scouring my comments and reading every comment I make because you are so obsessed with me that my videos don't satiate your need. Given the rest of the comment is so defensive of Prusa's business I'm leaning toward option #1.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

You aren't a sock puppet. You are a hooligan.

[@CarsInDimension]

​@@DesignPrototypeTest You just lost whatever credibility you might have had by your intemperate response to my fairly balanced comment. I say the Bambu may be a better deal than the XL and you say I'm defensive of Prusa's business. That speaks volumes about your cognitive abilities. Is this about what printer is best for what customers or is this about your ego?

[@jordanstoev1574]

why i use prusa slicer well easy to use ( i do not need to screw for 5 min to fine the setting that i need Cura . I`ts great for professional use you have 10 times the amount of setting ) In PrusaSclicer i need 2 clicks of the mouse done. i do use Cura for say printing battlestar galactica for the treee suport but that is all. well and voron is not popular prusa is how many prusa are and how many are the vorons they are 10 000 times more prusa printers that vorons and the bambylab x1carbon simplify voron whit some extras witch is great. Prusa is not great at all, in all aspect is midel of the road printer and that is great i have no need for overprice Ultimaker and scrap ender 3 (clones......)

[@kitcarlson6033]

We get it, but please get back to your roots. We love your innovative content about printer enhancements.

[@mac10forlife]

@Design Prototype Test: You're absolutely correct that Tom and Stefan pander to prusa. I've also wondered why they always show everything printing on the prusa and always use prusaslicer. I would go so far as to say they probably get money from prusa to constantly shove prusa crap in our faces. However I don't believe there is a real connection between Voron and prusa. Oh and I think Badnoob was just trying to invite you to try building a Voron, nothing more. Badnoob is a great guy and has put a ton of work into Voron-related stuff. oh and btw everyone I talk to in the Voron community uses SuperSlicer, NOT prusa slicer.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Thank you for this comment. I also don't believe that the vast majority of the Voron community are associated with Prusa. Please relay my apologies to Badnoob. I confess that I assume the worst when presented with ambiguous comments.

[@CanuckCreator]

I can get an apology too about your disapproval of my clothing choices?

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Can I get an apology for laughing at me behind my back while trying to suck up to Prusa even though I went out of my way to say nice things about you in the past?

[@CanuckCreator]

@@DesignPrototypeTest for the record it wasn't behind your back. It was out in the open on twitter and if anyone else had posted the same thing with the same context I would have replied the same. I mean. I've seen your channel come up in many different channels(discords, twitter, facebook, etc) over the past while and pretty much every time the tinfoil hat meme gets made. So I know the type of content you have been leaning into. So it shouldn't be a surprise I found it funny. Is this entire voron prusa conspiracy because a gif upset you? I don't watch your content regularly, only when I get it spammed in my DMs from my viewers when ya get angry about my apron. So you saying "nice things about me in the past" is kinda a mute point.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

You didn't tag me. Even Prusa was too cowardly to tag me in the original post. I had to be told by a viewer who kindly sent me to the thread. This is a weak explanation and definitely not an apology. I owe you nothing.

[@arathireddy7559]

thanks for opening up my eyes to the shit around us

[@umranium]

Do you have a BambuLab printer? Would love to hear your industrial designer point of view regarding its design and build quality. Especially compared to other printers at that price range.

[@timlong7289]

I would have thought that as an engineer, you would understand the logic behind keeping all the variables in a test as consistent as possible. Stefan probably uses a Prusa for the tests because he's always used a Prusa for the tests. To be honest, I find your apparent obsession with Prusa somewhat odd.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

One video is a separate experiment. It's not necessary to keep that variable consistent across all experiments. It is only necessary within the specific video/experiment. Your logic is flawed. You appear to be a Prusa fanboy. Also, I'm not an engineer. I'm an industrial designer.

[@simonschneider5913]

"will be banned UNLESS you first go upvote and leave a comment on an old" I can totally see what you are doing here, but this might escalate quickly! ;)

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

This removes the disingenuous comments. If you actually support this old content, it should be no burden to leave a positive comment on an old video that you liked. I think the majority of people wanting to leave "make your old content again" Type comments are just playing team sports. They don't actually like my old content. It's just the stick they think they can hit me with.

[@simonschneider5913]

@@DesignPrototypeTest it will be twisted to suit certain characterizations...I cant wait to see which way this is going, but i have my expectations...

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

It's only this video. I've left no such stipulation on any other videos BEfORE they commented.

[@simonschneider5913]

@@DesignPrototypeTest i get it, but the anticipated drama will have nothing to do with any rational thinking whatsoever! ;) of course, i might be wrong...

[@user-ni8lb2vr5t]

@@DesignPrototypeTest dude how do you know they dont like your old content, I like your videos on hating prusa

[@yourt00bz]

Software patents are mostly evil Patents on technology & inventions is a necessary legal monopoly as incentive to SHARE tech

[@B3D]

it just a machine that build stuff . factory got machine 30years old still work ... why not keep it lol

[@a1hamer]

You speak out what i noticed on stephan and tomas's channel. Covered sponsoring ???

[@danielwiehlputz1787]

All the haters regarding the Prusa videos don't understand the intention you have. And they don't understand how important the issue of monopoly, propaganda and influence is. You have to see 3d printing as a whole - the whole is more than the sum of its parts. It's always going to be like 95% of people think: "What the idiot is talking about. I have a Prusa that works great. It's just a Prusa hater." - these people want the tech videos. But 5% of the people who understand how this community came about and the thought behind Reprap thank you! There are people who just want a working printer and there are people who are part of the community for whom this content is important. The 95% of the first type of people make sure, there are companies that build us awesome printers to buy or build ourselves. But the other 5% of the people are the progression, the development and the ones who are pushing 3D printing forward. They are the unsung heroes in the background.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Thank you for this comment.

[@nicksmith1415]

My dude. You do realise that there is no love between Germany and Poland. They were once joined under the iron curtain. To continue the misplaced generalisation you sounded very "murican" with that comment. Look at the mass of eastern prusia/Ender 3 knock offs, they are popular af. People are aware that their video or products will fare better if they mention prusia. Thing is, I don't doubt a lot of what you say. Personally I'm having fun with Creality and my Ender 5 Plus which is a donation from my friends (gofundme cancer stuff) .I'm a total noob but have a moral compass and an awareness of situations. I do find this whole thing interesting. I imagine that you wound your replies down a few times before final edit and in fairness I think that 1 to 1.5 more may have worked. But whether you are right or wrong fair play for standing up and speaking out.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

So I'm getting lectured about being a typical 'merican by somebody who thinks Prague is located in Poland. That's rich! Go peddle your fake leftist, defender of cultures, worldliness somewhere else.

[@nicksmith1415]

wow, hadn't seen your reply. Where did that come from@@DesignPrototypeTest ? Like I said I was pretty new to the 3d world and thought he was from Poland, my mistake. I didn't mention Prague or, anything political come to think of that so where that leftist business came from I have absolutely no idea. Odd, very odd. Also there was no lecture there, just some bloke who suddenly found his world was very different try to reach out and hopefully make friends with people into the new hobby taken up to take his mind off things. I was also genuinely interested in what you had to say. I was new not naïve and didn't want to be misled or hoodwinked by anyone. it would appear that you like to rub people up the wrong way for the reacts , either that or have issues. Either way you are not my dude but I wish you a restful Sunday.

[@user-ni8lb2vr5t]

It doesent make sense that the germans are quasi nationalistic for supporting prusa which is czech. That is like saying someone from USA is nationalistic for supporting Canada. No one in USA cares about Canada, and if they were nationalistic they would support a USA company. If they have feature alot of the Canadian company products in a youtube videos it would not because it is from Canada it would be because it is the best product that they can use get good views from people interested in the topic or the were paying them. Most likely the germans are being payed by prusa to use their printers and always mention prusa in most of their videos.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

www.google.com/search?q=united+states+of+canada+jesusland&client=ms-android-google&prmd=inmv&sxsrf=ALiCzsZrpdrWdsOLHy-xweaFyEhMzgR1Sg:1664545841679&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDvOu81Lz6AhVOhYkEHSGbALEQ_AUoAXoECAMQAQ&biw=412&bih=775&dpr=3.5

[@user-ni8lb2vr5t]

@@DesignPrototypeTest what is the link to google search supposed to mean? Not going to click it because I dont use google and dont want a virus if that is not were the link goes.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

@@user-ni8lb2vr5t It's a link to MANY maps depicting "The United States of Canada" vs "Jesus Land." Proving that many Americans feel a kinship with Canada and wish they were living in that country instead.

[@Spartyo]

This dude has turned into Prusa’s #1 fanboy. Literally ruined his channel by continuing to chase his obsession with Prusa. It is no secret Prusa offers out dated designs that are overpriced. Prusa isn’t for an enthusiast. It is for someone who buys an iPhone and doesn’t need an android for all the customization, cutting edge features, and flashing custom ROMs. I don’t know why you cannot seem to understand this. That is why Prusa markets this way. They’re overpriced bc of customer support, mandatory EU warranties, and because they *choose* a high price to trick the customer into thinking it’s a much higher value product. I’ve owned a Prusa in the past. 2 Prusa Minis. They were nice, but I ended up getting a few kingroon KP3S and fixing them up to print just as good if not better than the Minis. 4 KP3S were the price of 1 prusa mini roughly. But I’m an enthusiast. For someone who wants to casually get into printing, prusa does it right. And when I say casual, I mean casual. Someone who cannot be assed to research the basic things. It’s like when you’re at a gun store and see some guy buying one of the shittiest AK brands (PSA/Century/Polish Hellpup) or a Walmart tier AR for Arsenal / Daniel Defense prices. Those are Prusa’s customers.

[@evanbarnes9984]

You pretty much described why I got a Prusa. It's got electronics that probably won't catch on fire, it's well built with good components, and it just fucking works. I had experience with Creality printers before that, but when I bought my own, I wanted a tool, not a project. I appreciate the tuned material profiles and the fact that it just works well right away. Whenever I can get another printer, I'll probably build a voron, because the speed and capabilities of those look fun as hell, but I also need a functional printer to make parts for it before that. In general I love tinkering, but in the current stage of acquiring tools and building out my workshop, I don't want tools that are projects in their own right. I want things that are safe and work. It's why I have a SawStop table saw too

[@hobbyrob313]

Sometimes you shouldn't be looking for the ghosts! There really are people who swear by Prusa, That's how it is! Honestly? I don't like Prusa at all, and in fact I don't like any other brand! . what I like is everything DIY! (of course everything DIY is impossible!) So you buy parts, but you make the printer yourself!!! . and yes sorry I made two Prusa i3 but Prusa wasn't famous then! . The first Prusa was part DIY, part buy parts, and part 3D printed parts by a student who had a printer! . I also printed the parts for the second printer myself, and is even more DIY! (And so I built the second 3D printer even more myself!) . it was very easy to build them myself, they both work, and if something isn't right I can't blame someone else! (I built them myself after all!) . and I hope we can go back to DIY and less bla bla blah . Friendly greetings from The Netherlands! Rob

[@omittedprod]

At 10:11 , you say that Prusa said the load cell is “a fantastic new technology that no one’s ever had before” but, the never say this in the video nor do they say this in any documentation. You’re just lying about the release video, in which they never claim it as a new technology that no one’s had before. They’re just listing features. They actually say in their documentation that Prusa developed their own system for the load cell. No where do they say that they are the first to do this. You remind me of Tucker Carlson in the way that you hyperbolize and make up issues that you think are there. You go on for 2 minutes about how Prusa “gets credit for the innovation” and will “take l technology as if they’re the geniuses that came up with it.” They never have claimed that they’re the creators of these certain concepts!! Your tangent at 14:34 about “countrymen” and “nationalism” is simply not based in reality, they are not even in the same country! You paint 2 men as nationalists with no back, just your hate guessing. The last 5 minutes of this is just you spiraling into fiction, speculation and negativity, most of what you say in this video is not based on reality, it’s a hateful spiteful 3d printing world that you have made up.

[@omittedprod]

Before you delete I left a comment on your ender 3 red extruders video, where I agree with you that those extruders are not designed well, to the point they create metal shavings.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

You are undeniably right. They never specifically said that. As this video was ad-libbed and not scripted I spoke in error. Just like every single other feature on any of their printers they don't claim to have developed it. It's just inferred to the pint where I've had comments left on my videos that claim Prusa is responsible for Trinamic stepper drivers. The ambiguity is by design. Now, go see what happens when any other 3D printer company tries to copy a feature which Prusa has already implemented. Even if Prusa wasn't the first to use it, that company will face a lot of criticism for being a copy-cat and using Prusa's technology. Whether or not Prusa makes the claim explicitly the result is the same. The vast majority of folks assume Prusa is responsible for the development of the technology when they just "borrowed" it from someone else's hard work. Still, you are technically correct: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqDYYZ-LbbyAndE

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

P.S. I said "Quasi-nationalism" I'm well aware that Prague is not within the borders of Germany. Who's technically correct now? :)

[@johnkim3858]

I think it might be the case that Prusa i3 or mini might be the backbone of the 3D printing community because it seems to be the only accurate printer obtainable for under $1000. Creality messed up when developing the Ender-3. The belts that drive the carriages of the Ender-3 are not parallel with the linear guides; this heavily compromises the accuracy of the printed part, especially when printing 3D printer parts. This problem is not easy to solve for an individual (if one wants to know the “why,” please leave a reply under this comment as it is a whole other chunk) and is still present in the Ender-3 V2. When LulzBot and almost every other 3D printer that got the belt alignment right was almost or well above $2000, with this in mind, Prusa FFF/FDM machines became the only logical option for people wanting to build their machines(3D printers or others) where the parts have to fit tightly. -------------------------------------- Side Note: If Creality gets it together and has the Ender-3 V2’s successor can have: the correct belt alignment, stepper divers that can run M900(Marlin’s linear advance commend), and prevent the PTFE liner tuning inside the heat brake while keeping it under $300. It might just smother out Prusa.

[@MemelordSupreme]

You're oversimplifying everything and forgetting a lot of history. Prusa got considered a standard because of where they started and because of what they developed in the earlier years in the RepRap community before they became Prusa research. They were working on the mendel project while makerbot was also coming out so it's not like makerbot was some huge global phenomenon yet. They were in different arenas and both were tinkering in their garages. Prusa made larger bed slingers popular, without them you wouldn't see the ender 3 and similar printers because those are all clones of the RepRap designs Prusa helped grow. A lot of stuff we have today that comes standard on lower budget machines are a direct result from the early Mendel days. Heated beds is one of them. Prusa developed heated beds for the mendel. They created some of the first interchangeable nozzle assemblies and heartbreaks.. I could keep going but it's not worth explaining every detail.. Of course there were other companies doing similar things, people have similar ideas. When it's openly shared, everyone can build off of those ideas and make improvements. Sometimes those improvements are what become popular or become new standards. That's why Prusa grew. Their ideas were better. People latched on and ran with it. Printrbot ceated laser cut machines similar to the first makerbots, ultimaker made similar machines to the makerbot, but you're not ripping on them.. why? Ultimaker became synonymous with enclosed printers after makerbot died off but there are other companies like flashforge who have been pretty anti-consumer and closed off, but they don't get ripped on? It just feels like a you've got a personal grudge against prusa that runs deeper than just because they are popular. There's so many reasons why people hated makerbot, they got big and closed off. They became a huge corporates entity and eventually got sold off. Prusa has always been about the community and trying to build a viable ecosystem for everyone. They got lucky and found success in building machines. It's morphed into a company. It was all done organically and they aren't trying to dupe anyone or take credit for other people's work. Your hatred toward them is clouding factual history.. They are one of the very few that have continiously been open about everything. They are big enough now, they could close off their platform but they choose not. You should really speak to Josef, maybe your ideas of him and the company would change.

[@martonlerant5672]

Makerbot disappeared, since overpriced laser cut plywood is seen as a joke. Bambulabs is unlikely to be the basic. The "what eould apple do?" setup makes it impossible to gain hold of the DIY community. Losing open source is not worth it for many people - especislly when dirty ugly eww chinese competitors offer same performance, at lower price, and opensource.

[@DesignPrototypeTest]

Makerbot never "disappeared" They were purchased by the publicly traded company (SSYS) Stratasys where they languished before being sold to/merged with Ultimaker. forming the new name UltiMaker. They stopped selling plywood printers about 7 years ago if my memory serves.

[@andresrivera568]

Hey man, from your rant videos I think this is the one that I've liked the most, mainly because you showed some of the companies that are innovating and pushing the industry forward. Your point on the lack of financial transparency for native advertising is the thing that puts me off the most. I don't care if people are paid to promote a product, but not disclosing it is just plainly immoral and harmful to the long-term success of the hobby.

[@robertanderson4796]

Was a Patron supporter. Now I’m unsubscribing. I’m into 3d printing not politics sorry.

[@DianosAbael]

Imho is because nowadays Prusa printers are intended as a baseline. Overrated but a baseline.

[@damo2142]

Been following your channel for a long time and while it does appear to be borderline hatred now toward Prusa I can t blame you. It does seem justified especially when dealing with the fan boys and the industry of which for companies like Prusa that is exactly what it is is an industry. Companies like Prusa take more from the hobby than they advance it. I respect your ideas and opinions way more than the big channels you mention and many of these other channels started like yours but like everything else I think they got corrupted. Once a channel gets big enough that manufacturers start giving them stuff for free and other perks like trips to shows and such not to mention the channel starts making money then they lose the purity. I like your channel because it appears at least that much of what you review or do is for the pure sense of the hobby and advancement of it. I do not get the sense that you are big enough to be given a lot for free and spend a lot of your own money to give us the things you do. I respect your desire to stay pure and hope you keep it up. Unfortunately it also means your never going to grow until you sell out in some form. I hope you never to sell out and keep being pure. Too many people in life and work have sold out for many reasons only to become exactly what or who they started out fighting in the first place. Just look at how many so called freedom fighters in history end up being dictators no different than the one the overthrew it is all a form of corruption . I have thought many times about starting a channel but then I look at yours and see how much you struggle with staying pure and realize I do not want that. If I was to be honest with myself the only reason I really want to start a channel is for the free stuff to tinker with or to make money and both of those are the wrong reasons. Keep up the fight and thank you for all you bring to the community!