WHO MAKEs THE WORLD'S BEST SMALL BLOCK? FORD, CHEVY OR DODGE? (351 VS 350 VS 360)

[@nessie42786]

America makes the best small block. We all win.

[@Rebellee1]

You are exactly right. There's so many other variables linear to the engine that makes each superior or subpar to the next. I guess what makes each individual impartial to each make to the next is what your father drove as a young adult and either way we all win

[@adamweaver6351]

I agree, used to say chevy but im not so sure anymore

[@woopyass]

@@adamweaver6351 The reason that the chevy is superior is the budget hp potential. A Vortex headed 350 that is roughly 13:1 is a cheap, easy to build and fuel powerplant that is hard to rival. Just a cam and springs would be a better shootout.

[@Shadobanned4life]

@@woopyass Yes indeed! The Chevy engines have a lot more parts available.

[@josefastboats5874]

@@woopyass Then again a Big Block Ford is Superior in every way compared to a Big Block Chevy. From the crankshaft being stronger, to the connecting rods, to the main bearings. The 460 Big Block Ford is capable of supporting more power stock then a 454 Chevrolet Big Block Can. That said, I like both engines. Favorite part of the Fords is working on the distributor in the front is so much easier then the Chevy which is in the back.....

[@JC-gw3yo]

I have used all 3 engines in fleet vehicles (vans) and the Ford proved the most reliable. We sold our Dodge and Chevys at 6 years. We kept the Ford 351 powered service vans for 10 years. Power was really not a consideration in these work horse engines, although all the vehicles made enough of power as service vehicle. It is all about reliability

[@huskerite2]

I had a 1990 Ford E250 with a 351 with over 200K mi at 20 years old mark and never had to check my oil in btw changes. It looked great as an XLT 12 passenger van inside and out. I let it go during Obama's stupid Cash for Clunkers program in which tax payers paid me $4,500 (They promptly destroyed both engine and transmission and crushed the body - Democrat dumb bells.

[@rickmullins4730]

You are correct the 351 is not made for HP but reliability and longevity, I maintained a fleet of Ford E 350 passenger vans for a large medical transportation service, the odometer on these reset to zero at 300,000 miles and we had two that had reset twice, over 600,000 miles and still ran when we pulled them from service. These engines are in fact work horses.

[@cammontreuil7509]

@Poor Touring Hot Wire Garage only heard that one from you. Its not common.

[@kcchapman2207]

@Poor Touring Hot Wire Garage gotta disagree I've personally never met anyone that's blown a head gasket in their sbf

[@marthamryglod291]

I can say that my e250 V6 is more reliable than my 5.7 vortec Chevy 1500, and a Chevy person generally

[@jonathanlawson4667]

I'm a chevy guy but we all win here with this American engines I love them all

[@briansearles4473]

I can say the same thing except I'm a Ford guy. If it's an American V8, it's great!

[@SuperDriver379]

If it’s a 90° V8’ that’s running healthy we all like to hear the noise they make. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MrAllan9]

👍you bet.

[@TerryByrdJr]

I'm a Ford guy but I like all of em

[@jeffrey4547]

do u like square body chevys i have a few of them for project rigs rust free clean bodies

[@hazamaniarunninwild5247]

I think its a fair test on the 351w. I love 80s fords, had several 351w fuel injected. Always ran like champions but they cant breathe. Cam and head porting wakes them up immensely

[@markmccarty9793]

Ran a Windsor for years towing boats, car trailers and even an enclosed uhaul trailer back from Ashville NC once! I installed what could be described as a 'boat' cam in it! Ran it bout 5 years with great service! Fair economy! With 3.70 gears and an old AOD with 39% overdrive (I actually went thru the old one and had one built. It did every well at just about everything! Finally sold it and bought a newer truck with a 5.4! But for the little investment and versatility the old Windsors hard to beat! The Dodge 360 is a mule. My buddy has one, but it'll cross 3 lanes of traffic to get to a gas pump! The Chevy is, well parts are cheap!!

[@akdoc2003]

Great comparison of what someone on a "worker's budget" can expect to put together from a small block motor you can pick up from a local parts yard truck. Which was the point. Thanks Richard!!

[@johndriskell4081]

The 351W used in the 1994 Mustang Cobra R should have been tested.

[@PureCountryof91]

Depends. Pistons, cam, heads, and induction on the 351 work wonders. But, the same is true for all the old pushrods. The new stuff? Like the LT, hemi, and Godzilla family, well, it's the same. OHC stuff is where the ideas change..

[@charlieperry26]

The the rub here is a "working budget" Dosen't work well for the Mopar lover. Lol. Mopar= more money for parts 😊

[@richardholdener1727]

LOTS OF THOSE IN THE YARD

[@corvettejohn4507]

@@johndriskell4081 I dare you to find that in a pick a part yard. The Chevy and the Dodge motors tested are extremely common and $200 all day long in the yards near me.

[@lluwd]

I've owned all 3 over the years in different things and these are the best small blocks from all 3 American makers. They were good.

[@autoshotty]

340 Chrysler with it's factory forged internals made it street and track reliable. 351 4-V quench head Cleveland's were "King of The Small Block Hill". Chevy small block (pick your flavor) is the go to for a budget build.

[@TheBandit7613]

I have a 351 Cleveland. Why Windsor?

[@douglascooper1987]

@@TheBandit7613 Physical Size and Ease of Installation.👍👍

[@deepblue159]

Even the 2v cleveland heads will out perform both with same cam

[@StainlessTIG2]

Cleveland is by far the king of small blocks because of the huge 2.19-1.71 canted valves with 60cc closed chamber heads.

[@scotttimpany2845]

Edelbrock intakes, in general, are industry standards regardless of application... Made in America. Great quality. Look great, work great.

[@madmod]

Im worried they may not be able to maintain a buisness if the epa keeps it up. They already had to shut down their California HQ of 80 years and has since made a move to Mississippi. Hopefully this epa act comes to some kind of conclusion.

[@scotttimpany2845]

@@madmod I'm a big fan of Edelbrock. Great products. Edelbrock family has always been an important part of the American car culture. I hope they can do well in their new home also.

[@brianfrost303]

Yes but what richard was saying is that running an air gap intake on one and a performer rpm on the rest is not an apples to apples test. The air gap is worth a few numbers over the performer rpm on any application.

[@xmo552]

@@madmod I'm worried they're trying to kill off gasoline engines. I manage a large O'Reilly store. Have you seen the price of cats lately? They've quadrupled in price in the last 2 years. Some aren't even available. You try to play by their rules and they're still killing us off.

[@madmod]

@@xmo552 40% of the world still gets its power from coal. If they think gasoline is going anywhere, they are nuts. Im a huge fan of ethanol despite it being a negative yielding fuel costing more in diesel to produce.

[@GorillaCookies]

The 351 w / 5.8 liter heads with their small ports and valves along with the anemic stock cam significantly limits their performance. They are very reliable in stock form though. I have 371,848 original miles on my 94 F150 4x4 extra cab with the 5.8 and auto . Never been opened and just passed Calif Emissions testing with no needed repair or replacement of parts . Power is really good with very little performance lost from the day I bought it with only 12 miles on it new. Its surprised the heck out of me

[@dbc105]

That's what happens when people take care of what they have. I've gotten 300,000+ out of several small block Chevys. You can always tell the people that don't take care of their stuff because they whine American Iron doesn't hold up, their are not taking care of it is really their problem.

[@alexvelez2141]

The downfall to ford engines have always been their heads. They suck

[@Jaythreequartersbaked]

None of the above. 351 Cleveland

[@edberry78]

Beast

[@douglascooper1987]

401 or 390 AMC👍👍

[@dominicsosa7405]

Nothing is as good as a 351Cleveland ....it makes the most power of all small blocks ...thus guy mentioned it as well

[@danielhemple8649]

None of the above 340

[@douglascooper1987]

@@danielhemple8649 With W2s.👍👍🙂

[@michaelhurley545]

Back in the 90s i think it was HotRod magazine did a shoot out with 3 crate engines a 360 , 350 , 351 Duster, Mustang, Camaro all three cars had 4.10 gears weight about the same. The Duster smoked the field with a 12.10 quarter mile

[@CarsandCats]

I remember that issue.

[@nerradnosnhoj5122]

Blue Duster ? ....kicked ass ....those rear Doge springs plant the tires better

[@Apophion]

@@nerradnosnhoj5122 Those rear springs, torsion bars, light weight and weight bias to the back more than the others. The Dusters and Demons were underrated gems.

[@ldnwholesale8552]

12 1?? That crate must have had NOS in it!!

[@pookysdad4884]

Remember it well, Mike Landy fielded the blue Duster, with Mopar's hotter 380 hp Magnum crate.

[@AG-td4pm]

Mopar power!! Love all 3 though and it’s almost impossible to beat the value of the Chevy.

[@cfmechanic]

That's where the ls comes in. Lot cheaper to make power with ls vs old school chevy. But I'm still rocking with oldschool

[@anthonygant5620]

The Ford 351-W engine was made from 1969-1997. The 1969 engine being the preferred engine as it had larger heads . It could also be found in the cougar xr7 . I swapped this engine into my 1972 bronco 1/2 cab , with an RV cam , 650 Holley and headers . With a rear gear set of 3.50 ... At 2600 rpm , the front tires would alternate coming of the ground under hard acceleration . I am a fan of each of these engines , but primarily a Ford guy . The dodge 360 is a terrific engine which I've had in two vans and one pick up . I have yet to own and run the 350 Chevy engine , but I have been very close to a number of them to know there worth . At 60 yrs of age ... Pretty sure I have time enough yet to build at least one Chevy . Wouldn't be right not to . We are lucky to have all of these engines available tous !

[@bartpang]

Now you need to find a Buick 350, an Olds 350, a Pontiac 350 and an AMC 360 so we can have a total comparison.

[@nikoladamjanovic2313]

GM makes the best?

[@danbrooks9589]

I noticed they left AMC out their heads out flow them all!

[@tednewcomb1048]

And a Cleveland .....

[@norristammislideshowmulgre877]

@@tednewcomb1048 the Cleveland is a big block. He is talking small block.

[@tednewcomb1048]

Sorry you're mistaken the Cleveland is not a big block ...

[@johnmollet2637]

First, I'm a MOPAR guy, but I have lived with or worked on all 3 of these platforms for years and several 100(s)K miles. The Magnum and the VORTEC are a pretty even match as you have shown. No surprise there. The Windsor was at a real disadvantage here because of the heads. If it would have been put up against the 360 LA engine it would have probably won. I think my 1990 360LA was rated at 180HP and was really not all that impressive until the cam was advanced 3-4 degrees; then it acted like a small RB engine. One trick to get the 360 to go 4-500K is to replace the rod bearings every 200K, they are the weak point in the bottom end. All three are great platforms and with a little PM they will last a long time. Great video Sir!

[@351clevelandmodifiedmotor4]

he clearly wanted to beat up on Ford, by choosing an older technology engine compared to the Chevy and Mopar, 351 Cleveland would of smashed them,

[@johnmollet2637]

@@351clevelandmodifiedmotor4 Yes, the 351C was a sweet little mill. Never really got to work with them though.

[@ecotraveler250]

A more apt question would be, who makes the best heads.

[@austindoud273]

Or who makes the strongest bottom end

[@dgambrel9241]

The answer is not Ford

[@mikeshaul1686]

What about Ford 351-c heads?

[@edjackson4389]

@@dgambrel9241 Yeah, like he said Ford put zero development into those 351W (they had port sizes in the heads designed for a 302) because they knew their whole future was riding on the overhead cam mod motors. I would have loved to see a carburated, with long tube headers 5.4L 2V from 2001 or so in this shootout. Probably wouldnt have won, but it would have been much closer in power than a doggy 351W

[@brandonbell3089]

Vortec 350 heads

[@michaelking1869]

Although I am a GM guy generally, I think the best small block if you don't include the current stuff is the Cleveland based Ford SB also called the 335 series. The current stuff such as GM SB Gen III, Gen IV, and Gen V, Ford Coyote, Godzilla 7.3L, and Boss 6.2L, and current Hemi's would be tough to pick a better version between them. In the older engines I think Fords 335 which was a sb built like a big block is the best choice. I'm even a very big fan of the 400 (actually a 402) which in stock form was simply ok. As a platform to modify though they are one impressive engine. The Cleveland cylinder heads are very impressive and the deck height so big you can get some cubes out of them. My favorite muscle car small block is the Boss 351.

[@daledavies2334]

The 335 series engines tended to crank oiling issues. Bearings would be copper all around for both mains and rods at about 100k miles. The normal complaint was "can you replace the oil pump because when warm the oil light flickers in drive at stop signs." Drop the pan and oil pump. Clean, inspect and check all clearances. Other than a couple of surface marks they were good as new. Check the timing chain and call for approval with an estimate. Replace the timing chain with a double roller and new main and rod bearings. Only one needed 0.001" undersize bearings. Owners would complain that I did not put an oil.pump in. I would tell them to drive it for a week and if they were not happy I would do the labour for free to put a new oil pump in. Never was taken up on that. Bearings would likely be worn again at another 100k miles. Double roller would likely still be good at the 200k miles.

[@eclipsegst9419]

The Clevor, a Windsor block with Cleveland heads, and was Ford's NASCAR engine for many years, is the best possible small block that i am aware of for making all-engine power. It's ports are simply massive, and it's canted valves are too. The Windsor block has better oiling than the Cleveland block which is why it was used. I would imagine that doesn't matter much with modern 5w40 or 5w50 synthetic though, especially if you put a plug that restricts the top end just a bit to keep more pressure in the block.

[@robertwest3093]

The Mopar 360 is quite impressive. The 351W suffers from extremely small runners and valves. The 350 suffered from a shorter stroke than the 360, which is why it had the advantage in the lower rpm range.

[@toddeyster7557]

It would be interesting to see the compression ratios. The Fords of that era are pretty low ratio. I agree with the comments on the Ford heads also. I am rebuilding my 351 and putting on Aluminum heads along with getting the compression up to 9.5-10.

[@midnight347]

Bout gaurantee the 351 had lower compression and it had worse heads. They will make as much/more power with a decent top end on it.

[@a2cryss]

A buddy of mine had an old Dodge Magnum (the car) with a 360 2bbl. We put a 2bbl to 4bbl adapter on it along with a 4bbl carb which really helped the higher RPM power but he went back to the 2bbl for the better low end grunt and response. Probably could have adjusted the secondaries but he was having none of it even though the car was faster overall.

[@fredflintstone505]

The Ford was at the disadvantage because it was the oldest of the lot. The cylinder heads were made at a time where they purposely killed power to improve fuel economy with better emissions at the time it was made.

[@kevinjohnson9372]

They never got better n trucks accept lightnings how ever gt40 heads and b cam then I think it would pump

[@forcedinduction5245]

Good point but they would cry for a year straight if Ford made a 351 Coyote !!

[@bryanphipps9131]

Bowtie for the win. Parts are and will always be half the cost of any others. Great video!

[@JohnThomas-vb9se]

IMO the ford is so dead because of the cylinder heads. If it had a set of iron Gt40’s or gt40p’s which would be more comparable to the other brands cylinder heads, especially with the Chevy being vortec’s, it would’ve been a lot closer.

[@smokenchoken1736]

The poor 351w was probably running like an E7TE head which maxes out around 160/110 cfm, at least the gt40p are 185/125, meanwhile the Vortecs are 240/150 THATS A MAJOR DIFFERENCE in comparison now a 4v 351C on the other hand is close to 270/180 the 2v heads were around 200/165 so yes i would definitely say the W never got a chance now if you put AFR 165s on it that are flowing 235/195 suddenly its a whole new ballgame

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

@@smokenchoken1736 I just posted that he should have ran a 351C against them all, and shown the world which small block is really king!

[@falconater68]

@@elmerfudpucker3204 That's not the point of these test...You'd think that would be apparent. Secondly, anyone that knows what they're doing never leaves a factory motor stock. Money was almost always priority over performance.

[@old40fret19]

I completely agree with this, you are comparing head designs from Dodge and Chevy that are 5-9 years newer. Also to make it fair, it needs a F4TE-6250-B camshaft , or ensure that is what it has, that came out with the introduction of mass air flow. Lord, Richard is just trolling the Ford guys at this point.

[@richardholdener1727]

stock vs stock

[@donaldpowers3314]

So put a 408 magnum a air gap m1, long tube headers, the comp. Cam 480 lift(with 1.6 rockers .533) Small stall. Performance computer. Decent heads.. and the results a fun daily driver! Hooked up to a pre 96 trans... 3.90 gears...

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

Mopar has one of these, in a crate engine. Very nice package.

[@donaldpowers3314]

@@elmerfudpucker3204 I do have one, Finnish putting it together.. may slip it in a early Dakota..

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

@@donaldpowers3314 I have a buddy that drags a dakota with the 385HP crate motor in it, it's a very strong racer. I definitely urge you to follow your idea, you won't be disappointed.

[@jayborchardt4742]

I like all the engines, but since i have a dodge 360 magnum in my Durango, I found this pretty informative, its a 2002, with 250k on it. I love the low end torque.

[@E1337Jerk]

In hs we put a older 360 in my buddy's 64 dart with a good cam and heads the only car faster then it a school was a supra.

[@Burnedout_garage]

I’m a Mopar man… but if you included the 351c everything would lose in stock trim

[@Joshcheyka]

Why would the engines get loose? Not torqued properly? What was wrong with the bolts? I think you mean LOSE.

[@dennisford2000]

Or a clevor

[@danr9584]

Only if it has the closed chamber heads. I don't know how well a smogger 2v Cleveland would do

[@Burnedout_garage]

@@danr9584 the 2v heads still flow quite a lot… much more then most sbc heads and every Windsor head

[@brandonbell3089]

But then there’s the factory Hp small blocks aswell like the 370 horse lt1 350s and 365horse 327s. Only thing to say is Chevy does and will always make more power HP to dollar than any of the other competitors

[@HoodRatDiesel]

Have you ever ran one of the v10's out of the second gen rams? I think that would also be cool to see as they were offered at the same time

[@yurimodin7333]

no parts out there (other than from v10 Vipers). They were a distributorless ignition and I don't thing Holley HP or any of the other aftermarket controls will run 10 cyl.

[@timbrwolf1121]

Torque MONSTERS

[@anichols5845]

Great motors, no aftermarket support. A great alternative to expensive diesels

[@FIREPHILSPENCER]

For availability, reliability and aftermarket nothing beats the SBC.

[@Link-we8so]

Ol tree 60 pretty serious.... I honestly thought the vortec would be up 10-20 on it. The air gap is definitely worth 10 on the magnum

[@1967davethewave]

I agree. I thought the Magnum would have 30ft/lbs more torque and 15 to 20 less HP than the Vortec.

[@Link-we8so]

@@1967davethewave im pretty suprsed that the 351 was so weak too. Its probably my favorite design overall but starting 50 down is pretty rough

[@jonathanlawson4667]

@@1967davethewave vortecs was torque monsters that's why the vortec was only used in trucks and SUVs back then

[@1967davethewave]

@@jonathanlawson4667 The intake manifold and cam was what made them so torquey but the same is true for the Magnum engine. As far as the heads go though, they wouldn't be so popular among the hot rod crowd if they didn't make good power up at the higher rpm ranges. They flow more than the Magnum heads so I expected the Vortec to make more hp at the expense of torque but that doesn't mean I thought it would make low torque though. 350 to 370 torque from a 350 is pretty good.

[@johncoleman2495]

I really like this! What I do want to add is that reliability really comes into play as well. I once worked several years for a company that used the Dodge 2500 vans(mid 90's) as high mileage fleet vehicles. And there were never complaints regarding engine power or reliability. Vehicle reliability on the other hand was atrocious! Mainly fuel pumps. I don't know if that issue was ever sorted or not but the engines were fantastic and had excellent power characteristics. Transmissions were also a huge problem. Same goes for the Chevy, there were many of those in the fleet as well, but I don't really remember any big reliability issues. Also excellent power and better mileage. The Ford I have far less experience with but have driven quite a few over the years and they certainly never made much of an impression. But in terms of power potential for stock head modified engines I think this plays out differently. I think (especially) if done on the same budget....the order is Vortex 350, 351 Windsor, 360 magnum. I'd love to see a video on that!!!!

[@artdombroskie7573]

The magnum and vortec cylinder heads are lightyears ahead of Ford's pre gt heads

[@arcdestriumph586]

Not if you allowed 351 Cleveland heads or Boss 302 heads. 351C's 4V's are canted valve bad asses. The Cleveland came out in 1969.

[@artdombroskie7573]

@@arcdestriumph586 I agree. The topic does not involve the Cleveland engines so of course no comparison would be made.

[@brandonbell3089]

@@arcdestriumph586 I know Ford guys try there best to scrap by and think there on top. When the fact is is Chevy is and always make the most POWER HP To DOLLAR

[@Haulass95gt]

@@brandonbell3089 We don't care about the cars crossing the beams behind us.

[@brandonbell3089]

@@Haulass95gt that’s why most shitstangs have Chevrolet hearts 😅😅

[@johnbehneman1546]

THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL ARE GREAT MOTORS FOR ANY DAILY DRIVER.

[@devillockj]

Back in the day I remember an early 90’s 1st gen dodge 1/2 ton that was plain Jane options and 360 magnum with towing gears would smoke the tires off when the fords and chevs felt gutless and needed gravel to get the tires spinning

[@scottsigmon926]

This is exactly true.

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

Dodge's "Lil Red Express" trucks in 1978 and 1979, equipped with the hypo 360s, were the fastest vehicle to 100 MPH manufactured by anyone. They were very fast for their time.

[@dustinshadle732]

My 86 351ho out of my f150 got a rebuild because of a head gasket problem. We cleaned it up and honed out the cylinders, replaced cam with the ford cam specs that the truck came with. Did a valve job and changed to a demon 750 carb with a Holley dual plane intake and equal length headers and an msd distributor. It came out at 333hp and 391tq. So it didn't take much to bring it up to the rest of the pack. After the original head gasket had blown we were worried that it might ruin the bearings and crank. It was good to find it all in spec. The engine only had 71k miles on it when the gasket blew. The guy that bought it from me put a mild stroker kit in it and it really made a new truck out of it. I dont know his power output but I can say it breaks the back tires loose too easily. He said in the rain it has to go into 4x4 or it dances all over.

[@michaeltannergibson]

I've currently own 1 351w, 3 350 sbc's, and one amc 360. The Ford has always given me trouble, especially the Windsor timing chain cover, the Chevy's have been golden reliable even one that seems to be on it's last legs, I'd still trust it, and the amc is by far my wildest build that doesn't disappoint, I have it in a 83 cj.

[@johannjohann6523]

Cool comparison as all 3 engines have no shortage of uses. But I would contend the Chevy Vortec 6.0 liter V8 (364 cu. inches) is the best small block V8 I have 2 friends (1 a Yukon, the other standard work van) with the 6.0 liter engine and both have over 300,000 miles and still running strong. Even after my buddy with the Yukon's wife drove it to work and home recently with no engine oil. Yes it still runs! Amazing.

[@alexcorona]

This is the first fair review I've seen. Everyone else always compares the 350chev to a 302 ford, which is not a fair comparison at all. Thank you! (Although I would have liked to see a Roller 351 with Gt40P heads instead, to compare with the vortec heads, we always used to snag those heads when pulling a 351 at the JY)

[@JoeyGarcia]

Well, Chevy always needed more displacement in order to compete with Ford anyway! LOL

[@brandonbell3089]

@@JoeyGarcia 🤣🤣🤣 like the Chevy 302 didn’t run circles around the ford 302!!!!

[@brandonbell3089]

@@JoeyGarcia Chevy always will make more power HP to dollar than ford no matter the cubic inch 🤷

[@brandonbell3089]

@@JoeyGarcia only thing good about the ford is the shorter rods tend to help a little on low end torque

[@madmod]

@@brandonbell3089 Your milage may vary for costs. I can source a junkyard 5.3/6.0 ls for the same price as a 5.0 yote/6.2 sohc f series ford, or even hemi options in dodge. Many cheap options that make good power in all engine families.

[@ExMxer3]

I have significant miles on an '01 360 Magnum (328,000 miles currently) and a '98 350 vortec (310,000 miles). The Dodge is 800 pounds heavier, and a foot taller than the Blunder Motors truck, and the 360 Magnum will out pull the 350 hands down. The Magnum is also still all factory original wih the exception of one water pump, and the 350 drank antifreeze: intake gaskets, of course, no surprise to anyone who has owned one. Had to do them TWICE. The biggest handicap of the Magnums was the power-sucking, 727-based overdrive transmission. A 318 with a 5 speed manual will beat a 360 auto. As for the 351, I've heard more than enough times they are absolute gas hogs. My 360 Magnum gets comparable fuel mileage, if not better, than the 350.

[@jimmypickle6343]

I agree with everything you said except for the gas mileage on a 360 vs 350... my experience has been much different as I view 360's as gas sucking hogs but still a good motor

[@ExMxer3]

@@jimmypickle6343 Thanks. Please note, I said "comparable mileage". Put a 360 Magnum in a '98 Blunder Motors obs (or whatever they call them Rust Buckets) and it will easily out-perform the vortec in every category. The Handicap of the Magnum is the power-sucking Turd transmission and significantly heavier truck. I'll take the weight trade-off: ever ridden 3 Dudes wide in an obs Blunder Motors? Yep, cab is 5.5 inches narrower in the Blunder Motors. gm and Ford went to smaller trucks (60" gm hip room, 61.3" Ford) in those years and Dodge went with a true Full Size (65.6"). The 2 Gen Ram is the truck the current Ford (64.7" hip room) and Blunder Motors (61.2" lol) are still chasing. Need proof? Are the obs or Tenth Gen Ford dimensions used today? Nope, lol. Dodge literally re-wrote the rules in '94 and no one has equaled to 2 Gen Ram.

[@ExMxer3]

Just turned 341,000 miles on the 360 Mag: Water pump #2 done at 340,000 and a new rad.........still going. I was a bit worried the head gasket went because it ran hot. Nope, all good, no bubbles in the rad and antifreeze is not moving off the mark.

[@trashman1694]

Anyone who doesn't agree the small block Chevy is one of the best engines of all time for performance/value by this point is delusional or misinformed.

[@brianfrost303]

It is, but in this particular test the crown goes to the magnum. Which usually gets dogged endlessly by chevy fanboys who refuse to admit that other engines are just as good.

[@trashman1694]

@@brianfrost303 Ya but when you start looking to buy parts for the mopar compared to the chevy is when it hits the wallet

[@brandonrohrer7914]

Best channel on this app

[@vinknepprath4404]

I'm caught somewhere in the middle I love Chevys power, love Dodges torque, and respect Ford for keeping mechanics in business lol

[@ProjectFairmont]

And you wouldn’t say that if you actually ever ran a SBF.

[@rediron44]

Fords have been more dependable than any of them

[@brandonbell3089]

@@rediron44 never more dependable than a small block Chevrolet. Every engine builder will tell you that. Chevy don’t suffer from ford bullshit either, external starter silinoids, voltage regulators, etc list goes on

[@brandonbell3089]

Best comment of all 🤣🤣

[@Joshcheyka]

I would like to add that the development time on the Magnum isn't very relevant and/or much of a factor vs the 351 since the main magnum advancements were in the keg intake, yes the heads were a factor as well but the main thing was the Induction system, however the 318 magnum came out in 1992 and actually had better heads than the 360 due to a smaller chamber. 360 Magnums actually got worse as the years went on and were stagnant for development it was pretty much the same engine from 92 to 03, they did not get physically worse, but the software starting in 1998 was updated to cure a ping issue caused by a leaking lower plenum gasket (thus killed a lot of power), which is why 93 to 97 360s feel like a rocket compared to the 98 and above. It was a bandaid fix on a poor choice to use a steel plenum plate on an aluminum intake...seals always blew. Now as for the development part, Hotrod magazine did a test of a 1984 360 that made 280hp and 370 ft lbs of torque for one of their old junkyard motor pull articles back in the day, if those numbers are to be believed it just shows that the fords were always a little behind in the small block area vs chevy and Dodge/chrysler. Also the 1989 360s had roller lifters and fast burn heads, which were supposed to be the best LA heads further showing the lack of motivation on fords part in those days. My point in all of this is that the development time really didn't matter. The 210 horsepower early 90s tbi chevy 350s pre vortec would have really gotten smoked in this head to head, it is more akin to the era of the Ford 351 and Dodge 360. But nice to know that the late model holy grail small block chevy can barely beat a Dodge in one small part of the rpm range while using a better intake lol.

[@douglascooper1987]

👍👍My 92 Dakota with the 318 has outrun no less than 4 Dak RTs with the 360.They were such a waste of Potential.😐

[@s0meguy809]

My 96 ram 1500 5.9 2wd was an absolute dog.

[@s0meguy809]

@@hendo337 3.55 iirc. Had about 125k miles. Shorty headers, clutch fan delete, no cat and a dynomax muffler.

[@JT-ko3rv]

@@douglascooper1987 big weight difference between a 92 and a 97 up Dak besides magnum heads were designed for 318 cubes and made a huge difference on the 318 not much on 360s smaller minimum csa than LA heads any gain was in bowl, chamber, and compression factory didn't care because the 360 was a towing engine I love my 5.2 in my 92 half ton it hauls but put a big trailer behind it and forget it 5.9 walks away cause that's all it was meant for put a 5.9 in that 92 and be even faster but lose some durability hard to kill a 318 seriously underrated 😉

[@Joshcheyka]

@@s0meguy809 most likely went to the dealer for the death flash, it was able to be flashed on older ones, however it was standard practice after 98.

[@groceboysgarage1958]

Looks like you should have turned the vortec a little more. My all stock vortec pulls to 6 pretty well. And the curve isn't falling off on your graphs at 5k

[@matts7556]

Richard I would love to see the Hughes/Edelbrock EFI Air gap intake swap on stock EFI 360 magnum just to see what it does compared to a stock Keg intake

[@tomedgar4375]

Great comparison but should have included the Ford 351 Cleveland, the Windsor heads are much smaller

[@scottford1091]

Richard knows the results of that one.... admittedly 351c was never available in a truck though. Modern ls motors are just able to keep up with a cleveland... 50 years after the fact. Cleveland is the legend all the others are still chasing.

[@francismarion4450]

@@scottford1091 Yes, my grandfather ordered the 351c for his F100. It was faster than a Chevy truck with a 454.

[@trollbane66]

@@francismarion4450 That isn't saying much. The peanut port 454 that they put in most trucks was a dog. The 350 could also beat them.

[@silicon212]

It was the factory heads that did the 351W in. With aftermarket heads of similar characteristics, the SBF and SBC are very close.

[@jaywilliams2710]

Good comparison of what the 90s had to offer for a v8, not surprised the Ford was lacking, outside the gt40 heads, they did basically nothing for the sbf once the mods were on the table... A “what if” comparison would be the gen1 lightning engine. Since it was just updated with decent heads but could still be used in a truck application, it might have been that missing evolution that the Vortec and Magnum received. Also wondering what the mid 70s 400m vs 400sbc vs 400b block would look like.. Same cubes, three very different approaches...

[@markdubois4882]

The 400B motor was also used as a po-po motor.....the first couple years of production (72-74 if I'm right....the 440 po-po motors were rated at 280 HP at the same time), they had upward of 260 HP. Something to keep in mind...the 400B has a larger bore than the 440 RB (4.342 vs 4.32).

[@wirebrush]

Bingo. Like I said before the magnums were great in the lower RPMs where most daily drivers live. They were capable of some pretty impressive fuel mileage too by taking advantage of the low rpm torque via tall final gearing. It made a great all around power plant. Lots of torque to haul and tow, and it would sip fuel highway cruising.

[@wirebrush]

@@hendo337 My old 5.9 Limited Grand Cherokee would average 21mpg on the highway and 18 in town with good ethanol free gas. My old 5.2 magnum 4x4 Dakota would get 21-22 mpg at 80 mph while only turning about 1900 rpm

[@OzarksWildman]

I had a strong 302 in my truck as a kid. It always outran my friends 351 and 350 trucks. And it would do longer burnouts 👍

[@nathanmcdonald610]

I had a 1990 302 F-150 in high school that was the same pretty much, It would take my friends 1993 350 Chevy 1500 by a truck length at least every time in a race.

[@TheIronClooch]

Staying true to the title in a literal sense should have seen 4V Cleveland heads being used IMO. This would have been a completely different test if that were the case.

[@madmod]

Cleavor is meaner

[@madmod]

@@hendo337 The benefit to the 351w block is its ability to grow in displacement cheap. Win win when combined with cleavland heads where even the mild 2v heads offer decent flow.

[@gsearingg]

@@hendo337 not true.. I owned a few.. very mild builds... spun to 7K and put my car sideways in the 2nd gear shift.

[@TheIronClooch]

@@hendo337 It is possible to produce a very flat torque curve using 4V heads with the right intake and cam timing. I wouldn't touch 2V heads with a 10 foot pole even for a street car because there's no room to grow with them thanks to their pre-disposition to detonation.

[@Link-we8so]

I know you've probably ran it and shown it on the channel but I'd like to see the 5.4 ford compared to the magnum and the vortec since they were also market competitors

[@gibbles717]

I would like to see the 4.6 used in the crown vics and grand marquis vs the magnum. But if u go the 5.4 route I think the competitor is ls 5.3 and hemi 5.7 as far as market era goes. Still a very nice comparison. These 3 engines have been around forever.

[@qball1of1]

Late 90's 5.4 was terrible. My 98 f150 has one and it has a whopping 235hp...what a dog. Nice truck, lousy engine. Owned 98 GMC with 5.7 vortec and it was much stronger, same mileage.

[@darkshine5]

@@qball1of1 ya needed an aussie made mod motor our 5.4 were actually good not as good as a barra but still ok

[@bill2178]

@@qball1of1 i prefer vortec 350 over 5.3

[@midnight347]

@@qball1of1 that is the non pi motor. The pi version had like 260 horse 340 torque or something like that. You throw pi heads on a non pi motor and it'll make even more power than stock pi motors do because it raises the compression a whole point

[@robertbeckler5058]

I've got a beat up Windsor in my 68 100 ranger and I've just purchased a 78 f250 with the modified. As soon as it gets here I will have to drop the 2 tanks of 12 year old gas but when I fired it up with very little effort it ran and idled fine. Both engines should be a blast to play with.

[@JSun865]

I've got a 78 f100 with the 351modified, unfortunately someone took the air injection pump off of it and all of the brackets that hold it on, so mine just sits in the garage until I can find the pump at a junk yard, the modified engines have a dry intake manifold with no coolant flowing through it to keep it cool, the intake is cooled by the air pump,(unfortunately a lot of people thought the air pumps where smog pumps and removed them off of the modified engines) without the pump the intake overheats and boils the gas in the carb causing vapor lock

[@qmopar]

Just to clarify the 5.2/318 Magnum came out in 1992 and 5.9/360 Magnum wasn't available until 1993. If you ordered a 360 in 92 you could only get an LA. Great video - thanks for showing the Magnum some love. Can't wait to put a junkyard 5.9 in my Dart Sport!

[@stillbill6408]

The LA Chrysler's are beefier (larger main and rod bearings, larger lifters, greater bore spacing...good for head porting) and has its cam mounted higher in the block (shorter pushrods, better harmonics hence, stronger, more accurate valve timing), larger cranks, bigger rods. The drawback is greater reciprocating mass (mostly a concern in all out race applications). The high mounted cam allows for easier stroker crank applications. The stock oiling circuit was excellent. Horse power and torque figures were as good or better than any other in its class (due to Chryslers outstanding 1.80:1 bore to stroke ratio). This family of engines was widely used in industrial/marine applications and were outstanding, the most rugged of all small blocks IMHO.

[@powerwagon7811]

Yep, I'll take the LA over the magnum always.

[@fl6stringer]

Cool video. Maybe do a 305/302/318 comparison as well?

[@shelbyhilliard8677]

Do you think it's more about head flow valve size and compression

[@Wheelhouse812]

Interesting comparison. The dodge magnum and chevy vortech were the highest evolution of their lines. This ford was not however the highest evolution of the small block ford. That would have been the 351 W from a lightning pickup, also a truck motor and availible from ford as a crate. The gt 40 cylinder heads would have been more comparable to the vortech and magnum. Even a gt40 headed 302 from a explorer would be a contender, and they are everywhere

[@brianfrost303]

But is the highest evolution of the 351 ford engine readily available at junkyards across America? I'm assuming not, otherwise that's probably what RH would have compared.

[@richardholdener1727]

WE PICKED THE HIGHEST EVOLUTION (MINUS THE LIMITED PRODUCTION LIGHTNING)

[@Richie_the_Fixer]

I'd almost have given up 58 cubic inches to see a 2002 Explorer 5.0 with a performer 289 intake , 750 Holley , Duraspark II and longtube headers up against the others . Disregarding the Lightning , Explorer motors are the top of Windsor evolution . It would have gotten beat in torque , but I believe the 5.0 Explorer with the modifications listed might come very close to 1 hp /ci. @Richard Holdener , have you ever dynoed an Explorer 5.0 with that equipment ?

[@MichaelWood-x1g]

More to it than just power output. My 93' 7.4L Suburban K2500 has 301,000 miles and still runs great.

[@brandonbell3089]

Made the same power with 10 less cubes!!! Vortec heads flow great though for a factory small block head

[@karlsracing8422]

Magnum is equivalent.

[@bovineknievel410]

Made less torque tho

[@brandonbell3089]

@@bovineknievel410 less stroke what’s else is it supposed to do 😅😅

[@brandonbell3089]

@@bovineknievel410 stroke makes torque 🤷🤷

[@ogr7771]

If we all put our personal bias aside, just go to your local drag strip, or sportsman circle track, hot rod car show, its obvious which small block is the most used, wins the most and easiest to tune.

[@alexgrindnshine2522]

You have solid point. I don’t agree it makes it the best one. Just the most developed with best aftermarket and factor support. GM does more to support the enthusiasts. It is the easiest and cheapest choices.

[@huskerite2]

The 350 Chevy has parts galore all over the place, especially for performance which might influence a person's choice.

[@daledavies2334]

Ford saved money by standardizing the 302/351 heads. This meant the intake valves for the 351 at 1.84" got dropped and the 302 size 1.78" intake valves became standard. For a 302 not great but acceptable. Those valves choke the 351 breathing. Put Chev LM7 valves at 1.9"/1.55" in those heads with minor pocket porting and port match and I believe you would see a closer comparison. For the 351W installing the older 351W valves (GT40) 1.84"/1.54" would probably bring that Windsor close to the others. Best? Depends on what brand anyone prefers. They are generally all pretty reliable engines.

[@DaveyCooter]

If that 351W was a roller cam motor, thats surprising. The factory heads on that era Ford (E7s) are horrendous in any case.

[@jonathanlawson4667]

Yeah heads sucked in the 80s smog Era for sure

[@ProjectFairmont]

E7s can work if ported.

[@dfabeagle718]

@@ProjectFairmont you left out "A LOT" ... lol. I know Thumpr and Sean Meldrum et al back in the day did a bunch of work and got gains, but it was a _bunch_ of work.

[@ProjectFairmont]

@@dfabeagle718 I had a set of Thumper heads, and they were less money than a quality aluminum head and effective.

[@robthoreson8384]

Not sure if it was mentioned yet, but the Mopar runs a larger base circle lifter, so the cam is utilized more in duration.

[@brianlafollette7530]

Be interesting to see which one has the best hp for fuel used.

[@Bikedueder]

I REALLY MISS my old 86 Ramcharger.. I should have never sold it.. It was a police car package, I am certain of it. 360 quadrajet /727 transmission with a shift kit. Double belts on every engine accessory. Big alternator. 9.25 limited slip, 35 gallon gas tank. It even had a spotlight on the left. I inherited from my Dad, and fell on hard times. It belonged to a small town utility dept where my Dad worked in the 80's. That 360 would make that heavy truck go up on plane like a boat, and had this scary high pitched moan under full throttle. If I could get the Ramcharger back now, I still would.

[@1967davethewave]

Look at Richard Holdener, hitting the bee hive with a huge bat🤣🤣🤣🤣I kind of like Oldsmobile!

[@bw3506]

Those Oldsmobile trucks are pretty rare though! LMAO

[@jeffersonfjeld]

Also, I think it is pretty cool that all three have VERY similar curves just up or down.

[@MrStrollerisme]

No replacement for displacement. Comparing small blocks I look at the real one. The 318, 327 and 289. All three little power houses with mega demands. But yep the mopar wins, once again.

[@rickdavis7141]

chevy does make a 305 which is closer and the 302 aka 5.0L is the newer motor. (30 yrs old)

[@brandonbell3089]

If you call that a win. A hair of a gain that was gotten by the mopar because of 10 more cubes and more stroke!!!

[@samholcombe3129]

I’m a Chevy guy and Chevy small blocks are legendary but those 360 Magnums were really great engines for that time period. My buddy had a Cherokee 5.9 AWD and that thing was fun to drive, great power and AWD. You really can’t go wrong with any of the 3, just personal preference and what you do to them. Chevy has better aftermarket but Ford and Dodge still have a lot of aftermarket choices. Easier to find a 350SB and probably cheaper because there’s so many, 30 years to go through many cars and trucks. I had a 78 Cherokee with Chrysler 360 Carter 4barrel, 260 hp I think, which was a lot for 1978, that thing was an indestructible tank, Quadra-Trac, heavy as a tank and that 360 torque, man I miss it. Also had a 91 Z28 5.7 TPI L98, what a beast, especially after bolt ons a chip and cam and 3.73 gears, I gave that engine hell all the time and it just kept pulling. Man I miss it.

[@chadkent1241]

The 351C dominated the sbc in the final years of under 500 in³ ProStock. Superior head flow over any inline valve head

[@michaelthompson7770]

Would be cool to see all of them get an upgraded cam swap as well. Like a 224-230 duration at .050 camshaft.

[@wasntme3651]

Yeah a half inch lift would be a decent cam and I like you thinking with split duration, just a little bit of overlap to help that exhaust clear the chamber. I’ve had s few Mustangs and I didn’t like the B cams because the duration matched on em.

[@johnhughes1825]

Hey Richard. I have a ford 351M. Could you do a 351M build up or give me some ideas of how to build it? Thank You

[@reyperez3424]

I heard in the past that 351c and 351w were the good ones and 351m in Spanish people called them 351 Marrano(pig) not so good so you probably would have to change the heads , piston and camshaft to make it work

[@robertharper8709]

I'm also looking at rebuilding a 351M, and I think Richard has done a video or two on them. I've been meaning to send richard my summit racing wish list to get his opinion. 350hp and 450ft*lb shouldn't be hard to get, but the biggest problem is trying to find a higher compression piston than stock. Most people that want more than 350hp do a 400"m" rotating assembly swap into the 351m.

[@richardholdener1727]

watch the 400M videos-same motor

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

The 351W has the worst heads of the three tested. This is known, the GT40 heads on a 351W will help it a lot. Saying that, if you're looking for the absolute best small block, get a 351C and run it against all of these, and let's see who the big boy is!

[@andrewmontgomery1763]

Yeah but you can't really find a 351C in the junkyard whereas you could realistically find all three of these tested.

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

@@andrewmontgomery1763 The Windsor hasn't been manufactured in over 20 years now, and oblamo's cash for clunkers claimed untold thousands of these engines, as well. Regardless, the title simply asks, "WHO MAKES THE WORLD'S BEST SMALL BLOCK?" So the years of production is irrelevant.

[@davenhla]

If you do this you open the door to a Chrysler 340 or a Pontiac 400, Olds 350, careful what you wish for. I like all the old school stuff, so it would make an awesome video! My only rule is: keep the motor in your ride sourced from the place that made your ride. People doing all these LS swaps and Coyote swaps make me ill.

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

@@davenhla I will run a Cleveland against any other pushrod small block out there. Include the LS if you wish. He only used pushrod engines for this test, so I say run every pushrod small block, and let's get the results. Only debate on the Buick, Olds, or Pontiac engines, is that they were all the same block dimensionally, and were in a range of a "medium block", for a lack of better words, like the 351/400M Fords.

[@davenhla]

@@elmerfudpucker3204 I am not getting into a pee contest with you on this, but the 350's GM made were completely different amongst the 4 divisions. I owned a Cleveland I am not trying to bash it, but you are certainly not being objective about this and I think you are lacking some information about some of the other brand's mills.

[@kelseyschoenbaum4681]

A neat set of graphs to compare for each engine would be 1. Airflow into the carb cfm/rpm (one thing that makes me chuckle is when someone puts a 1000cfm throttle body onto a naturally aspirated engine that even at 10,000 rpm at 100% volumetric efficiency wouldn't draw in more than 500cfm. All they managed to do is make their throttle really touchy while in traffic) 2. Fuel consumption- how much fuel was actually be consumed at various rpm One thing i don't hear Richard Holdner talking about is volumetric efficiency. It's something i'd like to learn more about and learn just how close some of these n/a engines are actually getting to 100% at what rpm.

[@matthewboggs4639]

A carb that’s over sized actually makes throttle response sluggish.

[@kelseyschoenbaum4681]

@@matthewboggs4639 yes but a throttle body on a fuel injected motor thats over-sized makes the throttle response touchy.

[@linctexpilot8337]

I'd like to see the same exact test, with only GT40 heads added to the 351W being the only change..

[@donebrink1313]

They could have just used the 351 out of the 93-94 F-150 lightning

[@Ulfstigandr]

This vid is great for people like me, who have odd brand vehicles and lookin for a more modern possibly efi v8

[@marklohnes6313]

Nice comparison here. Useful info but it shows that stock specs vary from manufacturers a lot from brand to brand. My 351w really woke up with a mild cam and a small bump in compression over stock. With heads/cam and intake, I think parity between brands will become better.

[@richardholdener1727]

IF WE ADD CAMS-THE FORD WILL GET WORSE COMPARED TO THE CHEVY AND DODGE (WITH BETTER HEAD FLOW)

[@michaelmoreno4250]

I just remembered, 1994 to 1996 351w had the roller cam. Needed to test a 351w lightning spec engine. Very curious.

[@Elver_Galarga_jugo]

I knew the 351w was gonna lose in stock trim because of the E7 heads VS the vortec heads in the sbc and the better heads on the dodge. GT40 heads would have helped but that’s not how you normally find a 351 even if that’s how the lightning and cobra R came. What surprised me was the mopar making the same power as a sbc, even if the sbc had the better Intake, the torque in the other hand was no surprise

[@351clevelandmodifiedmotor4]

yeh he also knew the 351w would lose too, he's just a hater of Ford

[@joehudson3072]

The vortex heads was a major upgrade they landed up being better than all but the best performance Chevrolet heads maybe you could do a comparison on vortec heads and some of Chevrolets older performance heads it would be very interesting thanks Richard

[@jimmy_olds]

Olds! If only the BOP had the same a/m support

[@johnmilner5485]

Pretty sure the pontiac would kill the olds. Kinda biased since my father inlaw is a poncho guy though.

[@johnmilner5485]

@@hendo337 nobody runs a pontiac 350 ... But let's do 455 olds / pontiac run off.

[@RjLewis94]

Can you compare the 318 magnum to the 302 and chevy 305.

[@chrishiggins6884]

I assume the big factor here is the heads. When you said it was a Vortec I already knew it would perform best overall. I'd be interested to see the head flow specs of each motor.

[@chadkent1241]

The Cleveland is far better in power production

[@michaelallen2501]

As a lover of all engines, and the owner of a 600hp Gen 2 SBC, I think the SBF takes the cake. They sound the best in my mind too. Happily bored and stroked to 427 cubes and will make a shitload of power at that size safely.

[@richardholdener1727]

427 REQUIRES AN AFTER MARKET 4.125-BORE BLOCK

[@briansearles4473]

@@richardholdener1727 I'm sure I've seen Ford 351W block's taken out to 427. Using a 4.17 stroke combined with a 4.030 bore?

[@sewallm60]

I'm guessing the history of starting with the chevy 265 and up, put in everything, they produced more hp per cubic inch for less money then any other small block.

[@douglascooper1987]

The 354 HEMI Made 355hp in 1955, and is a Smallblock..Sorry Chevy.😉

[@RedlineMopar]

I think I actually seen something on hot rod tv where the dodge 360 la made more power per cubic inch than any other smallblock. Although that was not in stock trim lol but it even took down some ls and hemi engines.

[@brandonbell3089]

That’s the plain simple fact. Nothing beats Chevy HP to dollar and that’s what it’s about. Put 10k in a ford to make it fast. Put 10k in a Chevy you go EVEN faster

[@brandonbell3089]

The small block Chevy 262 would be the smallest but not the oldest

[@briansearles4473]

@@douglascooper1987 I don't think you can call a 354 Chrysler Hemi a small block. The 241 Dodge Hemi is another story.

[@DrFiero]

The curve on all 4 (350/350/351/360) are freakishly close! Move them up/down to overlap and they would almost all disappear behind each other.

[@jmechanic9341]

Chevy DZ 302 is the best small block and Chevy 427 ZL1 best big block, you’re welcome 😉

[@humbertoarellano2725]

What if you install gt40 heads on 351 the other 2 have the best factory iron heads

[@hotrodray6802]

69 to 73 big plug W heads ARE GT 40 heads.

[@marcusc102]

@@hotrodray6802 wrong. Gt40s didn’t come out until 93.

[@bcbloc02]

Answer is we will never know until you big bang all of these. We need to know who has the strongest rods and pistons from the factory. :-)

[@jeredfowler7194]

Yessss

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

At my local pik and pull, you can mix and match... if pulling a 351w for a junkyard build, I would totally grab some GT40Ps off of an explorer or mountainer and toss them on the 351w for the same price as if it had the E7s. I think you did a test of the GT40Ps on a stock 302 and it picked up around 30 HP and TQ, I would expect similar 25-35 HP/TQ gains on the 351w truck engine. Most people are going to buy aftermarket parts, but if you're a Ford guy ballin' on a junkyard budget...

[@lesterclaypool2194]

I don't even have to watch and I know Chevy is the most dependable longest lasting, I've lived 40 years on this Earth and nobody can tell me any different, been in the trade for 20

[@richardholdener1727]

THAT IS EXACTLY THE OPEN MIND WE ARE LOOKING FOR

[@brianfrost303]

Lol @ brand fanboys

[@mrbigshot29]

outside of a first generation lightning or vintage Windsor engines you did great for what they are. the factory heads flowed well enough for factory power levels. as you have seen they become the choke point when ever you try to make modern power.

[@cjbert6790]

Unfortunately that’s the way its always been. Windsors were made for bottom end torque and economy,

[@chadkent1241]

The 351C whips them all

[@justinriley8651]

lol 😆🤣

[@chadkent1241]

@@justinriley8651 and which other manufacturer won an entire season undefeated in PS? only Ford (Bob Glidden) with a 351C. The most handicapped engine in ps was the 351C and for good reason. It wooped everyone's ass so bad that NHRA implemented the 500 in³ rule. Your laughter is out of sheer ignorance

[@bradaycock1505]

Would like to see the ford run with factory e7te heads and comp 35-255-5 speed density cam then upgrade with a set of gt40 iron heads.

[@Splagnate]

Great comparison, though I feel you should’ve used a Triton of the same year as the other two. Just makes sense. Otherwise use three from 95. I love the 3 equally but they should be set up for the same model year to be fair. 3-5 years especially during late 90’s early 2000’s was a huge jump in technology. Why not a 351 Cleveland from 71 versus a 350 SBC from 72 versus a 360 Magnum from 92?

[@richardholdener1727]

71?

[@Splagnate]

@@richardholdener1727 Sorry you’re right wrong year😂 but you get my point. Let’s say 69?….nice! Got ahead of myself😁 and engines

[@Splagnate]

@@richardholdener1727 while I’ve got your attention…do you think you’ll be able to get your hands on a 302 Cleveland?

[@randymagnum143]

No one is swapping a 5.4 into anything except a scrap hopper. Same with a 351 Windsor or mod tho, so.....?

[@charlesgraham9954]

built a 360 with X heads and got 470s in TQ 380s in HP i love the pull of the torque in the 360. puts u in mind of a big block. kinda.. lol

[@rono3045]

I have to make one complaint that 350 has vortec heads which are the best heads out of the three I knew the Chevy was going to win when you said vortec. Do that comparison again with similar heads to the Mopar and Ford on Flow numbers. But then again a 351 Cleveland with 2 v heads and a boss cam would outdo them all

[@richardholdener1727]

we did stock motors

[@smokenchoken1736]

Sadly it would take putting AFR 165s on the 351w to match the cfm of the Vortecs Vortecs 240/150 AFR 165s 240/195 But the 351w probably had E7TE heads pushing a wild 160/110 even with the Gt40p you are only looking at 185/125

[@brianfrost303]

Except the 350 didn't "win". It made the same hp as the magnum, but with less torque in the low end. if any of these motors is going to be awarded the crown for this comparison, it's the magnum. Which shouldn't surprise anyone, as it's the largest of the three.

[@brandonbell3089]

@@brianfrost303 actually the Chevy should hold the cake and it does!! 10 less cubes. Less stroke than the mopar = obviously less torque!! But made more power than the mopar with 10 less cubes!!!

[@brandonbell3089]

@@brianfrost303 you gotta let the apples fall were they may. Chevy kicked all three asses for its cubic inch and HP. Torque is obviously gonna be down because of less stroke. Any engine builder will know that. That’s basic engine knowledge

[@sirjhonson8218]

Buick , Olds and Pontiac . I would like to see those 3 next.

[@randyreeder3417]

i agree those are the best small blocks and most durable of the small blocks.

[@arcdestriumph586]

The 1969 4bbl 351 Windsor was rated at 290hp and 385tq. 69 would have had the C9OE heads and a better non smog cam. .. Very close to the 300hp/400tq Magnum.

[@richardholdener1727]

THESE WERE ALL THE LASTEST GEN SMALL BLOCKS

[@arcdestriumph586]

@@richardholdener1727 Right .. Just using my wayback machine for historical perspective ... Not correction. I saw what you were trying to do with the Final Iteration Small Block/Truck engines.

[@txnetcop]

Believe it or not the most dependable was the Chevy 283, 327, late 350, Ford 260, 302, 351, 460 for racing! Dodge 340, 383, 440 blows up too easy when maxed.