Who REALLY Framed Kratos? God of War Theory

[@brandondodge6040]

Given that Zeus already shapeshifted as the Gravedigger, I thought it was Zeus trying to frame him since at this point he was consumed by fear and was obsessed with the death of Kratos.

[@insanemakaioshin]

Possibilities: 1. Hermes, due to his Vanity 2. Persian Demigod, due to the war between Greece & Persia 3. Celtic Demigod, due to the Barbarians possibly being Celtic.

[@big.gib.4L]

The barbarians were most likely made up of Germanic tribes much like the real "barbarians" that were fought by the Romans etc.

[@ewapiksrandeb3966]

Ceryx

[@insanemakaioshin]

@@ewapiksrandeb3966 Who?

[@barbs896]

The son of Hermes ​@@insanemakaioshin

[@insanemakaioshin]

@@barbs896 He appeared around the same time as the murderer disappeared. I believe they was even 1 frame where they were on screen together.

[@user-vi7zu4ul6b]

Personally, I think it would be really cool if draupnir was in the new theory intro

[@saifwasim5807]

Hell yes!!!

[@PanMan47]

Agreed

[@patelalpa7223]

True 🔥

[@Josiah100x]

yes

[@bandawin18]

Watching his intro evolve like the marvel studios logo does after every movie is a real treat 🤣

[@goncosta01]

This theory is really good and its makes a lot of sense. Also that could be the reason why Hermes was so confident to beat Kratos, because he already escaped once so he though he could do it again, but we all know what happened.

[@kylewilson8826]

If u like this then ur gonna love to see a theory from Cooking with Kratos. Ngl he just proved that Odin is still alive.

[@Jarmundx]

"Zeus was just trying to get laid" is a good summary of most tales in greek mythology xD

[@thegeekartistt]

always a pleasure working with you kuba.

[@axelStorymode]

I always thought it was just Zeus as the assassin who wanted to frame Kratos, but this Hermes theory works very well

[@madestmadhatter]

The moment you said he out ran Kratos's wrath I was like "Hermes, obviously."

[@neeravverma802]

That Assassin is the human form of plot armour

[@alejandroo4160]

Hey man, big fan. Could you do a theory on how the blades of chaos still work even though the game establishes that they shouldn’t since Kratos destroyed Greece?

[@just_a_rapperjetblack9556]

Primordials brother. Remember sutr said there is primordials flames within.

[@just_a_rapperjetblack9556]

That's because the primordial chaos resided withing well her essence

[@chriswinters7115]

I have a theory on this. In Greek mythology chaos is a primordial being, in ascension gaia says that the primordial created the very earth itself and so to me it would make sense that ares found a large chunk of chaos somewhere in the world and used a part of chaos' body to make the actual metal and such for the blades of chaos. So technically if the earth itself was made of primordial beings then it would make sense that they and the primordial fire would allow him to still use magic. I'm not sure though let me know if any of you have a different theory about it.

[@johndodo2062]

He doesn't listen to other fan theories.

[@riddlerwillison3336]

Atreus and Freya were referring to Kratos' magic (Poseidon's Rage, Zeus's Fury, Hades' Army, etc) They weren't referring to weapons, besides the Blades of Chaos, the Blade of Olympus was still working after Zeus' death. It's not just because of the primordial fire, the Blades probably still have Ares's fire inside them, or else Brok would never have said that Kratos "Stinks of foreign magic" when he retrieved the blades, primordial fire is common in every mythology. Also, I would take what Freya and Atreus say with a grain of salt, since Greek magic works in a different way from Norse magic and they don't know it at all.

[@XangoFwet]

I played GoW Betrayal myself. It was a good game for the Era of Mobile phone. I was really confused as to who it couldve been. For me, because of where it was situated it could have only been Hermes, the speed is what set it off.

[@ReleasedBox120]

Can’t wait to play gow 7 in 2030 when they reveal the assassin is Atreus

[@sickomode3150]

lmao wtf

[@captainobvious5177]

It is clearly Calliope

[@ZeusSolosTheVerse]

Atreus wasn't even born what if it was a girl and that girl was his daughter who aged 15 years

[@synderthmc]

The assassin's obviously hermes, i mean he show up right as your chasing the assasin and in mythical he is known as the argus slayer.

[@shaunglindon6547]

Thanks for your awesome content 👍

[@KaptainKuba]

No, thank you for watching! I appriciate the super comment man ❤

[@cabinetofcuriosities9390]

Always great when you do theorie video about the greece games!

[@Γιώργος-ε3τ]

The idea that this was Zeus’s doing is plausible, maybe this could be Zeus in disguise as well or perhaps a doing of the fates, they told kratos that it is not his destiny to kill Zeus so they perhaps could have tried to make Olympus unite agains kratos

[@Lord_Kratos69]

2:16 no between gow 1 and gos Because you had all gow1 weapons and athena’s blades

[@jollama]

1:51 Canon yet has no way of playing it today 💀

[@samuelbarrett5701]

I think its more likely that a pro-ares soldier tried to frame Kratos in order to remove a 'false pretender' from Ares' throne.

[@PoklaanNL]

I'm not really familiar with this game, but what I find interesting is that this assassin has 2 blades just like Kratos. Makes me wonder if they were maybe given those blades by someone who also gave Kratos his.

[@himanshudhariwal4046]

That can be the case, but are you talking about Ares or Athena ?

[@BellaKarim23]

My theory is that Zeus is the assassin in the same way he's the grave digger, and he suffers from split personality disorder. Grave digger comes in, like the assassin when the evils have take over Zeus and the other gods. Yet they were still sorts helpful to us before we full on declared war. This goes back to when Zeus was a boy. Gaia raised him and even she said Zeus was justified in going after Chronos just not the rest of them, failing to see that their inaction against what Chronos was doing to his children is as much a crime as his and why Zeus would harbor a grudge. Zantamonica did say they used the real mythos and what could be applicable to Kratos was twisted to fit. This means that all Greek mythos was applicable and Zeus is described as brutish, beast in his youth and a wise God later in life after he ate one of his wife's wo was pregnant at the time with twins, a son and Athena. This is a way of showing a split in personality. The distant youth Zeus who wanted to help his family and free everyone firm the tyranny of the titans would still be an aspect somewhere in there, though forgotten. Given Zeus was infested already by the evils from the box and that small somewhat still kind aspect, self serving sure but still having some good in there became the grave digger to help Kratos. And the 3rd grave takes tge meaning that it was for himself, the last stone to solidify Jratos crown because like his father before him he too needed to be stopped for the good of all with all that evil inside him. Then the Assassin was the brutish aspect of Zeus, who didn't think things through but needed a way out of his own words to fight and take down the threat of the destined son. Most of himselfnwould be taken over by following his edict and the Assassin gave him the golden opportunity he needed to go against another God against his own edict. Split personalities are made as aspects to help and protect the original. Some however could be harmful to the total and some could genuinely mess up. It's a part if the condition, aspects are created through trauma to deal withthe issues at hand, basically, and block them from the conscious of the original in some way. Can't think of anything more traumatic than being eaten by your own father who'd already eaten all the other siblings. The death of Hermes son is just an unfortunate add on that he could use to tach on if his idea fell flat. And the evils poisoning Zeus made it easuer to split off the personalities so he would not know at all what the was doing

[@WarLife24]

School is canceled, it’s raining, got my hot coco AND a Kaptain kuba vid?!?! W day indeed

[@HirosRandomness]

if this theory is true, it makes Hermes more annoying than the other game and deserves his jordans to be stolen by kratos xD

[@ALLFSGIVEN]

Gald the videos are rolling out, amazing kuba

[@CrownedGoatSports]

Huge fan and definitely off topic for the video. Has anyone else noticed the noose that Odin wraps around his staff after the checkpoint in the boss fight? haven't been able to find hardly any info on it

[@untitledreviewer]

I honestly expected the assassin to be another demiurge thing as honestly this is what started to lead upto God of war 3 where demiurge would need events to go to get the power of hope

[@KaptainKuba]

Hahahahaha I can't keep doing demiurge theories

[@untitledreviewer]

@@KaptainKuba those are so fun man

[@05deathwish13]

Amazing video as always keep it up ma man 🔥🔥

[@shivanshgarewal2833]

Here's a theory for you : what if that person was actually odin himself taking disguise as an assassin and we know odin can shapeshift himself so what if in order to make other Gods see kratos in bad image he did all that, this could also explain how he killed that monster with eyes with ease and ran away from kratos wrath

[@Void-r3b]

But what would be his motivations to mess with other pantheon?

[@andrwblood9162]

For long time I thought it was Atreus from the future doing time travel shenanigans. This is a lot more of a clean theory

[@ThanatosStyx]

I looove the fact that you showed Hollow Knight as an example of a low budget game yet did alot

[@KaptainKuba]

It's my fav metroidvania ever!

[@casual_ayks8987]

Amazing breakdown

[@arvindraghavan403]

Kuba do you remember cory barlog once said that some of the things you theorized in your video about Ragnarok was right. After playing the game do you remember in which of the videos you talked about it?

[@loganlevesque384]

Maybe the assassin was tyr because we know that he went to different miths and he knows that kratos is a god killer so he might think that because of Hermes son

[@Jrbiggz37]

This video must have been shelved for months cause am i crazy or did he say "recent gow ragnarok trailer" at the start?

[@KaptainKuba]

Hahahahaha yeah I've been working on the wallpaper for a while

[@Kumakaree]

3:18 HE SAID IT!

[@cosmomind3373]

You are giving justice to this game developers. Salute you kuba.💯

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

This makes a lot of sense but it does raise one question. If Hermes was the assassin then he was clearly a skilled swordsman. So why did he try to fight Kratos of all people barehanded?

[@GameMaster0025]

i wonder if this game set the events of god wars 2 like after the death of hermes son zues take action and kills kratos in god of war 2 where if kratos had not killed hermes son then the greek pathon would still be there

[@1Omar199]

The assassin blew the horn

[@yahyaelbadawi6503]

This is actually a very good theory

[@shinobiofashina2168]

Just something I was thinking of during the barfight in Asgard Ingrid and myolnir are fighting the entire time we know Ingrid has sentience and can fight by herself but how was myolnir fighting her Thor was both drunk af and preoccupied with the barfight so I don't think he's controlling it and when he does it goes to his hand for a quick melon smash but immediately after it goes back to fighting Ingrid and in terms of the barfight both atreus and Thor are on the same side so Ingrid has no reason to attack myolnir and vise versa all this was to say what if myolnir is sentient as well and it's just extremely loyal to the aesir or Odin's direct bloodline and maybe it has a grudge against Ingrid Side note if atreus dosent find Ingrid and learn how to Wield her like freyr in his game I don't know what I will do his combat is cool but he needs a melee weapon apart from smashing his bow against enemies it can't be good for it

[@jwavy6186]

No one cares

[@kingcobra9726]

I was thinking the same thing about Atreus’ melee combat, I mean he’s literally beating undead creatures and literal gods with a stick, I wish they had Atreus use his knife for melee combat instead.

[@JustJelleNL]

@@jwavy6186 Nobody will miss you after you die.

[@samaelangelus321]

I think multiple people said they heard Thor talking to his hammer and they thought he was crazy. Wouldn't be crazy if he were talking to something sentient.

[@emkay_ysb_]

I think Ingrid wasn’t destroyed maybe it’s in another realm just like how mjolnir feel to alfheim

[@OnurTheXbot]

I’ve always thought it was Hermes

[@fadikhlqa4811]

Bro I love your videos keep up the good work. Happy New year!

[@Sherman483]

I believe it was Hermes who murdered Argos. Mythology and speed aside, if you look at the art for Kratos chasing the assassin (3:55) you see that the assassin has white glowing hair, same as Hermes's design in God of War 3. I know this was art commissioned for the video but I stilll think this was an interesting move done by the artist. Also that theory of Hermes killing Ceryx seems very dark, perfect for the god of war universe. I wouldn't think Hermes wanting/not caring about his son's death is a stretch, since many of Zeus' children die in the series and he never expresses sadness over their deaths. The only thing that comes close to it is when he says to Kratos in GoW 2 "I will not let Ares' fate be my own", which is just him thinking of himself and not wanting to die.

[@nicholaspoling9691]

I am and am not a fan of the assassin being Hermes I am in that it answers a question and adds detail to a story, without making a mobile game/outside media integral to the plot I am not a fan due to it cutting off an avenue for future stories, if there will be any, the "yes and," method of creating jumping off points and connections. "Kratos killed Zeus..." "Yes and what happened to Artemis, Dionysus and Apollo?" With the assassin I would tie it to another mythology.

[@BigBoss....]

Superb theory Kuba. 👌

[@christhechilled]

GOD OF WAR Betrayal is the ONLY GOW game I never played.

[@vincupp]

i think gow 1 deimos was supossed to be zelus

[@petertakacs4165]

Love your vids Cuba ❤️

[@kylewilson8826]

Man you have got to check out this video from Cooking Kratos. Ngl he just proved that Odin is still alive.

[@rayhoyer4829]

They should do a story about a son of Aries looking for vengeance on kratos!

[@Lord_Kratos69]

Theory About gow betrayal? Wow

[@shivanshgarewal2833]

This theory makes hermes death more satisfying

[@OnurTheXbot]

GOW betrayal is so forgettable but not at the same time

[@Darth_Dino]

wait what if the assassin is the one who blow the horn in god of war 2018

[@ASN_9320]

please start a versus series, pitting greek and norse mythology gods from the gow universe against each other and even themselves. would be so much fun, especially given ur insight and expertise.

[@KaptainKuba]

You're not the first one asking for this lol I'll probably do it

[@jaylyneason9798]

@@KaptainKuba you should do it

[@ASN_9320]

@@KaptainKuba thanks, do a weapon comparison series as well

[@ASN_9320]

pls start a weapon comparison series, pitting each weapon against each other, for example draupnir vs nemean custs, etc...

[@randomdude7932]

Adult atreus who mastered egyptian powers to travel time to fix the fate of his father

[@travisjackson5398]

It was apollo had to be he’s the only one that’s mentioned without being seen

[@KaptainKuba]

It would be cool to give Apollo some kind of role

[@travisjackson5398]

It makes sense because he is the only one we’ve never physically seen besides his statue, he left and went off on his own in the gow 1 novel, and he’s the only other one besides Hermes that has speed on his side because he has the Same title as baldur

[@maciej5866]

I never suspected Rain from Mortal Kombat to frame Kratos.

[@julianbenavidez3020]

Hey, this is my first time leave a comment on this video and I’ve been liking all the theories. You been doing in every one of your videos, but I want to think of one thing when Brock died how did Sindrey brought him back and if it’s possible, can he be back?

[@amirsworkshop2559]

The assassin was very clever because he used 2 blades instead of example a spear so since Kratos has 2 blades as well

[@grdndl]

Such a good vid man also is there any way to emulate gow betrayal nowadays?

[@YPhilou]

Assasin was Tyr.. for some reason he did have a cup and wine from Greece in his Vault

[@mustafasardar2359]

I love your videos ❤ keep up the good work

[@deimosok2003]

I still play God Of War Betrayal to this day!!!!! I love it! ❤️

[@JeSsE10mCcOy11]

All I want is a PS remake of Betrayal. P.S it has to be Hermes

[@Deriv44]

It would be nice if they would do some sort of ps5 dlc for that game like Mafia 1

[@Lord_Kratos69]

Best mobile game of all times!😍

[@ExtremeGameplays1]

That thumbnail took longer than the video for sure.

[@EL1King]

We need a remake for that game

[@yokaivegaurd8707]

out of topic I wish people knows the difference between canon and cannon it annoys me more than any correction.

[@leharvard3223]

I used to play this. It was surprisingly fun

[@Void-r3b]

But why would they mess with other pantheon of Gods?

[@Berserkerenergy]

GOW Betrayal is a Cool and Good Game.

[@TechnicalSoldex]

Imagine some villain god from the egyptian's mythology was the one who sent that assassin to frame kratos and use him as a tool destroy the greek pantheon. Kratos learns this truth from athena after Ragnarok. Goes berserk after the egyptian's pantheon seeking answers.

[@ukm_shadowzz2160]

Ever thougt of a video about Angrboda's mother?

[@aidanbrukman3900]

Hey kuba can you please make a video where you explain where kratos changed his date that the fates of the Norse pantheon had in mind

[@KaptainKuba]

I gotta be honest, I really don't know. Maybe I could explore what the world without Kratos would look like

[@aidanbrukman3900]

Okey thank kuba I appreciate it

[@kylewilson8826]

What date?

[@emkay_ysb_]

I believe it’s hermes dew to the way they both dress in armless armor

[@artfulmortician5654]

Cannot verify the canonicity of this but: A year and a half ago I was a contract recruiter for SM studios. We had a group meeting with a bunch of the senior devs and we had a Q&A session. We all got to submit questions to be answered by the devs and I actually asked this question. As GOW: Betrayal was actually one of the 1st GOW games I ever played. The producers flippantly answered "Atreus" and moved on. This was in 2020-ish, so it could have been a joke response or a one-off answer. But it is an answer. I'm not going to pretend like I have many details. Just a off the cuff answer in an informal dev meet&greet. Hope this helps, and hope a dev comes by to vindicate me so I don't look like Im lying for clout.

[@artfulmortician5654]

Someone also asked who blew the horn back then, and it was a decent answer. But I'm going to keep that one to myself, as my credibility is shaky as is.

[@onepieceking1770]

@@artfulmortician5654 now now the horn question is something that cant go unanswered cmon now

[@9980500125]

Ezio Auditore da Firenze

[@Tripleseven09]

Time to play! WHICH! MORTAL! LADY! HAS! ZEUS! NOT! F**KED!!!

[@EnzoDraws]

"the latest GOW: Ragnarok trailer"? Was this video supposed to be uploaded a long time ago?

[@danielavila8339]

Yes

[@Rnjeazy]

The assassin is obviously Ezio Auditore da Firenze

[@Paradox-es3bl]

I'm unaware of any other speedsters it could be, really... unless it is someone from another Pantheon... but I feel like they didn't do much with other Pantheons back then? I started with God Of 4 so idk for sure lol, but my understanding is aside from maybe a couple easter eggs, it was all Greek/Roman? So Hermes makes the most sense... but also I kinda feel like that's too easy.

[@jonathanjefry]

I kinda wish to know who is the assassin but there’s no continue of that game

[@xxiii262]

Is there a possibility that it may be future Atreus?

[@redpanda8598]

Did you make this prior to ragnarok’s release?

[@jpvaldez4713]

At 709 in the video, That's so funny that Capt Kuba's face is on Zeus to get laid lmfao.

[@aleanddragonITA]

EDIT: I think Betrayal is before Ghost of Sparta (not after like the Video said, (also what does the Betrayal in the Title is supposed to represent? Who Betrayed Who?) ...---...--- Maybe the Assassin is Deimos He is different because 1)It's the Graphic Limitation & 2)It's uses an Old Design Why doesn't he recognises Kratos? Maybe for the same reason he didn't when Kratos tried to save him, or maybe because he was under a spell (as he was in a mission) What was the motive? Despite Zeus was already under the influence of the Darkness, I think that was still resisting it and had yet to want to kill Kratos In my opinion everything Zeus did against Kratos was all after Betrayal (so the Assassin is what triggered Zeus, maybe whoever send the Assassin was after this, so IMO the real question should be: Who send the Assassin? & Why?) Everything else was directly or indirectly caused by the Other Gods Daimos was kindnapped? It was an alliance between Ares, Hades & Athena that did it Kratos' Mother disappeared & then cursed? It's possible that Zeus did it to protect her from Hera and then the Curse could have been added after GoW1 (as Zeus was already under the influence of Darkness) and Ghost of Sparta happens after Betrayal Kratos being turned into a servant of Olympus, tricked into killing his Family and Tormented by Nightmares? ALL Ares' Fault Note: I am not saying that Zeus was Good (He did a lot of Bad Things, and he is pretty much based on the Original One that can't keep it in his pants) and even without Betrayal he would have still tried to kill Kratos (because He couldn't escape The Darkness' Influence) but it was the Darkness that turned him into the Evil Mad God of God Of War 3 This is why I would like a Remake GoW3 with his Cut Dialogue as a Secret Easter Egg, maybe even expand upon it (by making Kratos kill him in a different way) EDIT 2: Both Hercules and Hera mentioned that Zeus was protective and more attentive of Kratos than of others of his Childrens I think it's because Zeus tried to be different from his Father (Chronos that literally ate his own childrens alive) but when Damios was born with the Marks (as of the Propecy about the destruction of Olympus) Zeus was forced to abbandon him so that the Other Gods could appease their fear, so he gave more attention to Kratos because of it (maybe originally he didn't even know Damios was kept alive by Ares that tried to turn him into a Weapon against Mount.Olympus, as we know from Ares' Soul Easter Egg that Ares did keep Secrets not even Zeus knew about) but then why didn't he stop Ares into turning Kratos into his own servant? Maybe he knew if he did then more attention would have fallen on Kratos?

[@Deriv44]

Wasn't the assassin's Hermes under the order of Zeus

[@seangross5057]

Why God of War Betrayal never got a remake?

[@rosiestephens8729]

Maybe is the assassins Creed crossover you never know

[@My6119]

I always thought the assassin was Hermes's son

[@HulkBanner95]

Hey kaptain I’m a little confused. Back in 2018, there was one shrine that explained that THRYM stole Thor’s hammer. And how did he steal it even in GOW RAGNAROK KRATOS is struggling to hold the hammer? Is axe works the same way? Because in 2018 in ALFHEIM dark elf use an axe against Kratos even though short time. Eric said the axe and hammer are the same. But how did the elf picks up the axe and Thrym stole the hammer?

[@kylewilson8826]

He didn't have a hard time picking the hammer up. Neither does kratos gave a hard time. Kratos never really tried to pick the hammer up did he?

[@starkilr101]

I say Hades as he killed Persephone and he can vanish without a trace with his Helm of Darkness. But, also Zeus cause changing his form is his thing

[@ShachiSFM]

A friend of mine always says it's artimus

[@oshenone6947]

you should do a video about how kratos is canon in shovel knight lmao

[@wajahatali557]

Cloth of hermes also match with assassin

[@ringo60643ify]

Is this game still available to play…!!???

[@Crackmiser]

It’s pyke, from the hit game league of legends.