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[@ThePopcast]

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[@darren253]

Star trek problem were too many shows close to each other. And in Voyager the Borg made far too many appearances. The Borg always lost given they were supposed to be invincible. Example in the Next Gen the episode where riker is leading battle damaged enterprise after the Borg had assimilated earth. this would have been good as series

[@Hitman-zp5wi]

you did well with this episode but @8:30 the reason that StarWars isn't doing that well and why STD didn't do to well isn't because of "Trek fatigue" its because the legacy trek members and we make up the overwhelming majority of the viewer base doesn't like the stupid Woke identity politics and or pushing bastardization of established Cannon that shows like STD have become......if you don't feel comfortable telling the Woke idiots the cold hard truth then i invite you to have me on the next podcast and i will give it to them cold and blunt to Quote Picard The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth, whether it's scientific truth, or historical truth, or personal truth! It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based. and if you cant find it within your selves to stand up to the woke idiots in the community the ones that see 2 men on STD lips locked and practically dry humping each other as hard as they can against a bulkhead and dont call that out for what it is a bastardization of StarTrek then you don't deserve to wear that uniform

[@VolkXue]

Enterprise failed because the fans treated it like they have Discovery lol If you want to see what hurt Star Trek look no further than the fans..

[@andreanderson8639]

I wish for quotes normal Star Trek. I think I've gotten old enough, I'm 38, to see the 🌎 change around me.

[@andreanderson8639]

Stay true to yourself but adapt to the world around you, and you'll be fine.

[@TheresaReichley]

I think the biggest issue is that it’s part of the general decline in mainstream pop culture. There’s been sort of a grim dark trend in most Hollywood writing where you simply cannot have heroes working towards a brighter future or really a better future at all. Everything and everyone in the future is corrupt and everyone has a price. Mostly because people lack imagination.

[@georgelionon9050]

True, but basically this was the state of SciFi in the 1960s too.. until Roddenberry came, and which made ST stand out of the rest.

[@MGRracing]

Gene's future was as bleak as they come. World War 3 and a nuclear holocaust. No thanks

[@saiboogu]

Nothing in current Trek meets that definition of grimdark. Even DS9, dealing with some dark stuff with a Federation at war for its survival, showed questionable things being done - in the service of creating a better world.

[@MGRracing]

@@saiboogu I agree. It's more of a narrative from those who like to portray it that way. The story's in new trek, irrespective of if you like it or not, is STILL a story of hope and the good fight and trying to make the future better. Only difference is in TNG era shows they talk about their society as if it is perfect. The reality is no such thing exists except in cultures where they've embraced communism where the status quo is the "impression' they try to portray as being perfect.. but we all know that's impossible.

[@scoutiii8893]

Well said. So much of today's entertainment seems to follow the typical dystopian theme found everywhere now. Kurtzman can't make anything without that vibe as the backdrop for his awful shows. Even s3 of Picard still had to show the insufferable Raffi struggling to stay clean -which is the antithesis of what Trek is supposed to be...

[@dramonmaster222]

RIP Manny Coto. You definitely helped Enterpise reach it's potential. The Beauty of Star Trek is that it's spirit still lives on in it's fans and those who dream of a better tomorrow.

[@DMSProduktions]

Its.

[@davfree9732]

Damn. Coto was the one hope I held onto in returning Trek to it's roots, and maybe one last season of ENT. He wrote Trek stories in other shows before he landed ENT S4 and made ENT compelling viewing before the powers that be in CBS killed it.

[@oddish4352]

The plan for ENT's 5th season was reportedly to add Jeffrey Combs (Shran) as a regular character. If that had happened, I think the show would have gone seven seasons, and Shran would be like Worf on DS9 or Seven on VOY: the mid-series addition that changed everything.

[@huntercressall9728]

I love Jeffry Combs and his Shran character more than is healthy. That would have been epic.

[@rodbickel8628]

I wish that they would have let Combs play Dr. Boyce in SNW.

[@Dancestar1981]

@@huntercressall9728I do too that’s my favourite character that he played

[@huntercressall9728]

"Pink skin!"@@Dancestar1981

[@marcwolf60]

An Andorian Cultural Attache.. Coombs would have floor it :) :) He would be brilliant 'Pink Skins!!!'

[@Wolverine626]

The way Enterprise was mistreated for its unfortunate final episode was a damn travesty.

[@williamjackson6705]

" These are The Voyages" does not exist and you can't make Me admit it.

[@Wolverine626]

@@williamjackson6705 Here, here. I always skip that one.

[@janparish7895]

Damned right

[@jeffreyolin626]

Here is Star Trek's apology: kzbin.info/www/bejne/goGmeJ5-n9h-b68

[@seanabsher5577]

how could anyone do better with how little time they were given to wrap up the entire show? it's the worst move ever, but it wasn't part of the writers' plans or visions at all.

[@gregrogers6886]

I knew about Moonves and not a night goes by without another pin in his doll!

[@ThePopcast]

That made us laugh!

[@axelhopfinger533]

Have you tried tying the doll to a rocket and shooting it into the stratosphere?

[@greyeyed123]

I watched Arena a couple of nights ago, thinking it might not hold up...and it's been a while since I watched any original Trek. The hour flew by and I was engrossed. It's like I traveled back in time to someone's living room in the '70s and got to watch a rerun of a great show. There really is something timeless about it.

[@dragooner003]

I agree with most everything you have stated in this but I have one small disagreement. There is no such thing a franchise fatigue. The real fatigue comes from actors and writers who want to move on after 3 or 8 years of doing the same thing. The Fans have love Trek for 60 years and continue to want more. They just don't want watered down things.

[@jatodd3746]

THIS!

[@smilesmcgeek]

I agree. I could enjoy a good Star Trek IF they kept with the continuity and stopped being PC in their poor attempt at writing these days.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@smilesmcgeek It's not 'PC' but Woke writing these days.

[@darthbloodborn]

enterprise had so much potential that it never got the chance to realize and that is heartbreaking 😢

[@007REAPER007]

We saw the difference when Matalas did season 3 of picard, it wasnt perfect mind you but still very good, Enterprise was really hitting its stride in season 4, it needed a season 5 and I think it would have done very well, Les Moonves sounds like POS hater who doesnt like sci-fi because he lacks the imagination.

[@DMSProduktions]

Pricks like HIM are nothing but bean COUNTERS, not artistic visionaries, like Lucy & Desi were back in the 50s & 60s!

[@janparish7895]

Well said!

[@JeanLucCaptain]

more like it directly conflicts with HIS world of screwing people over for fun and profit.

[@archelonprime]

@@JeanLucCaptain I think you and the OP are correct about Moonves.

[@christopherkidwell9817]

More he doesn't like Star Trek because of the "Utopian" nonsense in Star Trek. Yes people... it is nonsense. The last 3 years of the world have made that crystal clear.

[@barrywhite8747]

This has happened a lot. In the 90's when the original Quantum Leap was on, the new head of NBC hated the show and intentionally kept changing its time slot to get the ratings to tank so that she could cancel the show, and in the early 2000's the head of CBS didn't like the show Jericho and after fan protest forced her to bring it back for a second season, she had the shows budget and number of episodes cut and didn't do any advertising for the new season so a lot of the shows fan including me didn't know it had started tell a few episodes into the new season so of course, the ratings were low which made it easy for her to cancel it for good. It also happened with the show The Unit which was also a CBS show, which wasn't canceled because of low ratings but because of network politics.

[@cane6074]

I love Jericho, it was a like cross between Mad Max meets Red Dawn with Alas Babylon as its foundation. I remember the fan campaign, it did not keep the show going in the long run but we at least got something of a closure at the end.

[@scotthanson4686]

Why didn't stewart Dorn and , spiner threaten a petition or do a strike ?

[@barrywhite8747]

@@scotthanson4686 ?

[@cane6074]

@@scotthanson4686 Hollywood is full of narcissistic sociopaths which is the reason why the industry in such a bad state right now, years bad ideas in the management are starting to assert themselves.

[@isaackellogg3493]

Glad to see it wasn’t only Firefly that got the treatment

[@Wolverine626]

That Viacom split back in 2005 was damn stupid, it never should've happened.

[@tomasjoconnel5367]

Ive known for years that Les Moonves was the one responsible for cancelling Enterprise. He tried to single-handedly destroy Janet Jackson as well. Television was changing anyway, and while I think it was very shortsighted, and a stupid decision, to cancel Enterprise in 2005, if it had gone 5, 6, or even 7 years, I think Star Trek would have out of steam anyway at that stage. But who knows what might have happened, had it not been given the chop. Manny Coto didn't get the chance to bring the show into the 2010s, and that's a shame, and cancellation was a very bad decision by Moonves.

[@user-bw7se2zg7b]

The ST universe needs a new villain race called the Moonvessians. They would be more greedy than the Ferengies, and more stupid than the Pakleds.

[@SeanMorgan280]

I would have been happy with 1 final 5th Season of Enterprise. To introduce the beginning of the Federation, Maybe give the crew a new updated ship at the end of that season.

[@iamjmph01]

I mean Moonves was a major blow. But Kurtzman wanted to do it his way, not Roddenberry's. He could have gone to any of the old school guys, but.... In the end, Moonves wounded and buried Old Trek, but Kurtzman is behind the imposter masquerading as Trek now. At least they finally showed its all an alternate universe, even if the show runner is trying to claim it's not.

[@DunedinMultimedia2]

lol

[@anthony0358]

I correctly guessed the villain. CBS president Les Moonves. I was reflecting back to your earlier video on the history of “Enterprise” . I need to add that in 2006 the UPN tv merged with WB tv to create the CW network . If only Julie Chen was a Star Trek fan back in 2005. We need Star Trek legacy and move the story forward.

[@EleneDOM]

Way, way back in SNL history, they did a sketch where John Belushi was Kirk, Chevy Chase was Spock (I don't remember who else played whom) and an NBC exec showed up in a '60s sedan on their viewscreen to tell them they were canceled. All too true, and hilarious.

[@williameftekhari3950]

I think there is now a trend against a hero or small groups of heroes. I think modern pop culture reflects the idea of "movements". It may be based on all the participation trophies given out, every kid on the team is a winner and an MVP no matter the score, don't even take score. If there are heroes, then others feel left out because they aren't heroes, they don't get the self-esteem and positive reinforcement they need. This seems to easily translate as movements the key, individuals are nothing.

[@krane15]

The result is, kids graduate from school totally devoid of critical thinking skills and clueless to what happening in the world around them. The Y and Z should be the smartest humans to ever walk the earth. Do you think that's the case?

[@williameftekhari3950]

I think there is nature vs nurture in play. History shows that there are people who are born able to think critically through some quirk of genetics because there was for most of human history little formal education. However, the advent of educational institutions seemed to increase the numbers. There will be those in Y and Z that can do it and see through the BS, but that may not nearly be enough. Look at Disney's new movie "Wish" where the guy in charge who knows what he's doing and the country is running great is brought down by a Mary Sue type who's pissed because she life isn't handing her what she wants. @@krane15

[@adriangoldsbrough6874]

Even before watching a single episode of Star Trek DIsgracery it was easy enough to pick up what a crapfest it was going to be upon learning that that great lover of sci-fi , Moonves, was involved. So enamoured by sci-fi it was reported he didn't even know the real difference between Star Trek and Star Wars which tells you all you need to know.

[@Heavy-Metal-Spike]

He was also responsible for cancelling "Special Unit 2" and "Cybill" for less than honorable "reasons". One of the most hated executives in the entertainment history. Nice video - very well put together as always.

[@michaelsasylum]

I remember Special Unit 2, was a fun show.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@michaelsasylum I have Special Unit 2 on DVD, it is fun.

[@jessieflores8788]

I lost interest in Star Trek ever since I saw strange new worlds. Hollywood really screwed up when they made that series

[@yw1971]

It's ironic how the new Kurtzman Trek was more costly & less successful than the older

[@EleneDOM]

So much "less successful" that multiple Trek series have been running all at once and the Star Trek universe is bigger than ever. That wouldn't have happened if Discovery had not been successful to begin with.

[@yw1971]

@@EleneDOM The thing about ideology is that it does not care about reality, and this includes costs. See Disney

[@user-bw7se2zg7b]

I won't watch Discovery or anything after it as a matter of principle. Re-watching the legacy shows and the fan film productions is far more satisfying.

[@akeel_1701]

Les Moonves, the Moonfaced Assassin of Joy If I had a list of people I could put a hit on in the past, he would be on that list The current crop of star trek needs to be put down and recreated correctly with writers who know and respect the Lore.

[@DunedinMultimedia2]

Discovery is better than anything before. Handle it, old timer.

[@funny2thag]

A big part of Star Treks decline from Gene’s vision is the drastic moral decay of society and it’s reflected in the writing. Everything is so dark and hopeless, there aren’t thoughtful and inspiring themes in the shows. Discovery, Picard, SNW all have utter disdain between characters small and large it’s hard to watch. TOS & TNG are so refreshing today compared to nutrek.

[@antoniusfilipus7855]

rewatching TNG here, but gotta say that SNW and Picard S3 is a fresh air after the others

[@hawkstringfellow]

So true

[@funny2thag]

@@antoniusfilipus7855 I felt kind of that way for those as well but only by comparison to Discovery. This is how I can sum up nuTrek, if this was 1987 launching a new generation with Discovery & SNW, the franchise would have died with the Star Trek VI.

[@funny2thag]

1000% agree.

[@greendelano]

"We have engaged the Borg." - Picard😢

[@generalscheisskopf7435]

Your case is well presented. But if I may make a Borg comparison, I would say that Alex Kurtzman is more like Locutus, being driven by the Borg Queen Moonves. Kurtzman does the hit job while old Les gave the order. Les has been defeated, Terry Matalas should take over the whole franchise.

[@ThePopcast]

Cool analogy!

[@Flitalidapouet]

Sadly, he was not controlling CBS. The main shareholders, Blackrock, Vanguared, Bilderberg group. Trilateral commisions, WEF, are the puppet masters behind and they want the viewers to imagine a dark future, because what we imagine tends to happens.

[@jeffreybischoff6772]

Terry Matalas seemed to give the TNG crew in Picard season 3 a "Nicholas Meyer movie The Undiscovered Country" type of send off. Season 3; wasn't perfect, or near perfect; like The Undiscovered Country, or The Wrath of Khan; but it was very good; and in comparison to season 1 and 2; season 3 was Shakespeare. He did an excellent job of giving us TNG fans a proper goodbye; while hope moving into the future, with new characters, as Star Trek should be. Let Discovery run out it's final season, and after SNW; take a break from "Enterprise stories" and let Terry Matalas, like you said run the franchise.

[@Flitalidapouet]

@@jeffreybischoff6772 "while hope moving into the future" gave me positive chills just reading it. 🤩

[@jeffreybischoff6772]

@@Flitalidapouet it's hope, however I'll believe when I see it.

[@jusadude7162]

Thank you for this. The whole CBS Viacom Paramount thing has always been nebulous to me. I never realized what impact this had on Star Trek. For me, Star Trek died when Enterprise ended in 2005. I wish I had been kinder to Enterprise not knowing it would be the last of good Star Trek.

[@HISTORY_IN_M0TI0N]

It is far from fine the way it is now. The point about Star Trek is that it was never a modern thing, but a vision of what might be in store, if only we´d get our shit together, put aside our differences for once and worked hand in hand for the betterment of our species. It drew a very clear image of a society that had moved on from where we are right now while current day Star Trek does it´s very worst to charge it up with as many modernisms as it can possibly hold. It is literally the opposite of what Star Trek was in it´s golden age. That being said, i don´t believe this is going to last. So long as there are people interested in stories, old-school Star Trek will continue to touch and inspire people and for that reason alone, we will see it returned to it´s former glory one day.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

WWIII might be just around the corner, so the survivors could develop a more Trek way of thinking in that future.

[@cliffordglennwoods3025]

I believe that Moonves will go down in history as a villainous boob who ruined Enterprise just when it had found its stride in the fourth season. Had Enterprise been allowed to go on and finish a fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh season just like its predecessors, STNG, DSN, and Voyager it is difficult to say just what the world would have seen added to its already impressive artistic resume of Star Trek culture. Personally, Star Trek: Discovery does not suit my taste as it written with what I believe to be more for a female audience and a feminine character niche than what I care for in my own expectations of Star Trek. Star Trek: Strange New Worlds has ventured back to what I believe Gene Roddenberry laid out as his vision of a future where no person has gone before. I have enjoyed the content thus far and I look forward to seeing what the writers, directors, and cast will do with Roddenberry’s vision over the coming seasons.

[@jv-lk7bc]

funny that your critique of Voyager is "too female" ..even though SNW is much more female than Voyager. My preference is the same (thumbs up for SNW, thumbs down for Voyager) but for different reasons: 1) SNW premise and writing is more faithful to the Roddenberry vision that we love than Voyager (or the war arcs in DS9 and ENT for that matter). The space station premise added valued perspective in the Trek universe. The "lost in space" premise didn't. (and don't get me started on "spore drive". shudder.) "Lost in space" might have made a good movie. *one* story told once. It was not nearly a strong enough idea to carry 7 seasons. 2) Voyager had the least good casting and acting and character dev of the Treks. All casts can be annoying at times, but nearly everyone on Voy was annoying most of the time. Not entirely the actors' fault, just miscast. The idea of having to integrate crews was an interesting one ... but it was a missed opportunity. Moonves is a villainous boob. period.

[@basilreid257]

A gigantic thumbs up for you. Hear hear!

[@georgemoore9924]

Noone will remember him..what history. Star trek will survive both him & haters18u

[@christopherkidwell9817]

What is feminine about Discovery? Nothing from what I have seen.

[@JamesScott-yx3yh]

​I thought Enterprise was the best of all the Star Treks.I still watch Enerprize seasons 1-4.I miss it alot.They could make a movie , or bring it back as a TV show.They take Trip and regenerate him.To use him in a mission to help the Federation, Vulcan to over come insurgents who are trying to distory the peace that is at hand .For the many or the few .To help the Borg understand. Free thinkig and Love concur all.For the love of the many or the love of the few. To over come injustice s ee all face.Theres a start for a story line.

[@spaceexpireaudio666]

I would have 0 problems with VOY and ENT lasting that long also DS9 deviated a lot from Roddenberry`s vison but it wasn`t a bad thing at all. It just got deeper.

[@IN-tm8mw]

DS9 also had the right setting for the deviation(Outskirts of the Federation, ship traffic mostly alien), current NewTrek didn't.

[@spaceexpireaudio666]

@@IN-tm8mw yep

[@benw9949]

That opening song -- that took guts and was all too funny. My personal situation is very bad and not working out, and I expet to be offline indefinitely tomorrow or the next day. So the song alone cracked me up. Needed that. Thanks, Dominic and Connor and all.

[@nkronert]

Your comment sounds very saddening. I don't know you or the nature of your troubles, but I hope you'll find a way to stay around!

[@ThePopcast]

Good luck my friend. I hope everything works out, thank you for the comment and I hope to see you again.

[@caironiancanuck482]

@benw9949: hey Ben don't let things get you down too much. We all go thru really bad times but know it will pass and you just have to get thru it. There's always hope. Stay engaged in these comments and keep on posting and talking, stay live so others can answer and cheer you up. God bless you man.

[@nkronert]

Are you still here, Ben?

[@suzygirl1843]

​@@ThePopcastAnd USA wonders why they suffer population decline. Who would procreate with people obsessed over comic books and TV series?

[@taramcblakeshire8516]

When Star Trek Enterprise ended Gene Roddenberry's vision and Star Trek died.

[@ChristopherG1990]

Gene Roddenberry would have hated DS9 and Enterprise. Rick Berman was said to have even bragged about it.

[@user-kc2fu8iw3v]

@@ChristopherG1990 which is funny, because a lot of the problems with those come from roddenberry's perversions. ex. the "corruption of humanity" was started in tng episode 2 with tasha yar's backstory, where an earth government on turkana 4 collapsed and the people reverted to violent barbarians, and it's likely he did all of that to satisfy his horny ideas with the grape gangs. a lot of future problems like section 31 can come from this as well, once humans have been kicked off their pedestal, that opens the doors for everything, and is summed by "it's easy to be a saint in paradise" quote.

[@eliasarndt6400]

Thats rubbish... Everything after The Cage ist not Genes true vision!!!!

[@kuribayashi84]

The first two Seasons of _Enterprise_ were alright. They had a couple of great episodes, a couple of not so great ones and a large number of okay/solid/entertaining ones. Star Trek Comfort-Food if you will, but _Star Trek_ nontheless. Season 3 hooked me. It was an attempt at telling a Season-long Story Arc and, for my money, it worked . And Season 4 is, honestly, one of the finest Season of Trek ever produced. From 'Home' to 'Terra Prime', there is no dud here. The Series had found its way, its place and I wish it had continued past this point and not ended with an Episode I prefer ignoring. I hate Moonves with a passion for killing it, much more than I dislike Kurtzman for his mishandling the franchise: If Moonves hadn't cancelled it, Kurtzman would not have even entered the equation.

[@mainstreetsaint36]

Popcast: Gene Roddenberry got rid of money Star Trek 6: Scotty: "Suits me fine, I just bought a boat!"

[@RickSFfan]

Good video, as always, but Star Trek is NOT the most significant piece of work ever. From Conscience of the King, to General Chang in Undiscovered Country to even Picard's closing toast in his eponymous series, Star Trek and Roddenberry would say the Bard of Avon, William Shakespeare, would claim that particular honor. Just saying...

[@ThePopcast]

Shakespeare... excellent rebuttal. His impact on society is huge.

[@mikemiller4065]

Roddenberry had another rule that berman dropped before the corpse was cold. All the conflict had to come from the outside. The Starfleet crew were the good guys and the problems had to be from somewhere else. DS9 was the first show made after Gene's death and it showed.

[@saiboogu]

That was frankly a very unrealistic rule from Roddenberry, both in story realism and storytelling handicap. Portraying the reality that people aren't perfect and will have interpersonal issues to sort out improves the storytelling IMO. Especially when they still work on building better futures in spite of personal differences.

[@Donleecartoons]

There was conflict among the crew in TOS. They just worked it out. Stiles in "Balance of Terror" was an out and out bigot (for reasons, but still...) until Spock saved his @$$; Bailey in "Corbomite Maneuver" (the first part of which is a great depiction of a highly competent crew functioning under stress in a situation that seems hopeless) was a danger to the cohesiveness of the bridge crew until Kirk's creative solution ...

[@SergioMartinez-rg6xr]

Although Moonves was responsible for Enterprise's cancellation (among many other things), Berman isn't much better as a person (being responsible for the mishandling of writing for Deanna Troi, driving Terry Farrell from Deep Space Nine, and stifling progressive decisions), which should never be forgotten.

[@dashfatbastard]

Moonves gave us Letterman on CBS. HE GETS A PASS.

[@kamenwaticlients]

Didn't Berman also have a problem with DS9 in general? He also was against Avery Brooks shaving his head because it looked to "street".

[@philipmetts8831]

Watts=voltsxamps Volts=joules per amp of current One joule spplied over one second creates one Newton of force. One Newton pushes one kilogram one meter per second in a friction free environment. This describes all motion in the entire infinite universe. Star Trek inspired me to learn this.

[@PaulDozierZZoMBiE13]

I dunno, I wasn't a real fan of Enterprise if I'm honest. Great cast, possibly some of the best in the history of Trek even. But I hated the idea of a pre-TOS show. There were creative bits. I liked how they staffed a linguist on the NX-01. That was clever since the Universal Translator would have been far out at the time frame. But beyond small bits like that, I just couldn't connect with it due to the prequel setting. I would have loved the same cast set in a post Voyager show though. Like I said, I adored all the actors and they were the only real reason I kept watching. They put on such great performances. But that is the problem with so many shows or films that think prequels are a good idea. That kind of stuff is fine for ancillary materials like novels or comics or whatever. But a show set before the events we care about often just doesn't land. At least for me. One of my favorite franchises ever, Friday the 13th, is ramping up to do this same schtick with a prequel series and I would be lying if I said I felt anything other than dread for it. And not the kind of dread a horror franchise is hoping to elicit either, I mean dread that it's going to be dismal.

[@zimriel]

Strange New Worlds is a superior pre-TOS show

[@Reddogovereasy]

There are several fan made Star Trek series that are well written. If you can overlook the poor technical quality, you will see Roddenberry's vision is still alive in them.

[@krane15]

Something the producers don't get. The fans are telling them what they admire about the show and want to see. Too bad they never listen.

[@DMSProduktions]

I DON'T have the bandwidth for ads!

[@Mademoiselle_Katie]

When Rick Berman lost the reigns, the franchise died. Matalas gave us a hopeful taste of what could have been if he or Brannon Braga would have reclaimed the franchise in 2016. It’s sad that something so inspiring, thoughtful and family-friendly (for the most part) has been destroyed by overt violence, immaturity, partisan politics, and divisive narratives. In 50 years, 66-05 will remain supreme while the current shows will be bygones.

[@valueofnothing2487]

Matalas? 10 episodes that ends with Picard resigning his commission to help his son who is attracted to be in the Borg collective? Why is that even a serious idea?

[@krazyjoesconcessionstand]

The franchise never died. It’s alive and well.

[@user-kc2fu8iw3v]

@@krazyjoesconcessionstand i wouldn't call a rotting, shambling corpse alive, or well. only a necrophiliac would find that good.

[@eliasarndt6400]

In 50 years people will look back at Discovery as the time whem Star Trek was still good ("because now/then everything is bad, of course").

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@eliasarndt6400 No, we won't.

[@sturmhardteisenkeil1906]

I think, no matter how well it was done, DS9 was already diverging from the core vision significantly. But I loved it anyway, I have to admit it. But that was nothing major in relation to the breeches to come.

[@rgator41]

I think you should never say never, as long as their are fans that get inspired to boldly go, anything can happen. And keeping the quality up is good, haters are going to find something to hate on or over, just keep dreaming of what could be, and then allow the next writer to fallow that dream where we can beat the odds even against our own limitations, and that means the trek will go on. Stay safe., And as a cousin liked to say because physics says we're all just an illusion anyway, live long and prosper.

[@1locust1]

Yes, Les Moonves is Star Trek's Darth Vader. He wrecked Star Trek's momentum when he cancelled Enterprise.

[@yoseidman4166]

I still have hope that Terry will pull a rabbit out of a hat.

[@gregbenwell6173]

Star Trek TOS first aired originally on MY second birthday, and by the time I turned five years old, the show had been off the air for two years!! BUT in those days, Star Trek in the early 1970s, re-aired in syndication every day just as I got home from elementary school...and I was a huge fan of Captain Kirk and the crew! THEN in my mid twenties Star Trek The Next Generation came out and shortly after followed Deep Space Nine!! While I found the quality of the shows to be "better visually", the story plots, the stories themselves, were often more word salad, and never seemed to have any "action" to them! Especially Deep Space Nine, which became just a soap opera in space where and relevant struggles in my life, never happened on either show!! In fact, MUCH of what Star Trek TNG, DS9, and later Voyager, became hard to watch, hard to relate too from a social standpoint. And much of all three shows, seemed geared to a vastly younger audience that didn't understand what "real life problems" actually were!! Sadly Star Trek Enterprise, WAS the last show I actually watched, followed and enjoyed as it did kind of bring back much better story telling, plots that were fun to watch and an action element. And got rid of the "lets just sit here a while, and be boring", themes of the shows like Voyager, TNG and DS9! Frankly I was burned out, trying to follow all the Star Trek shows, and like I said I couldn't really relate to The Next Generation, Voyager was uninteresting, and Deep Space 9, I still have ZERO clue what they show was supposed to be....but I disliked it so much I couldn't even watch it!! I GUESS TOO, part of my problem with Star Trek IS.....that while it is nice to end a show on the promise of hope....by 1995, I had anything BUT "hope" in my life! And from MY standpoint, Hollywood seemed to not understand what LIFE was for many "normal people" in this day and age!! And further Hollywood, has a problem understanding what it is like to lose a job, struggle getting a job, AND they certainly DO NOT understand things like Poverty, Cheating Spouses, general folks betraying others, and so on!! Even homelessness is lost on Hollywood, or "not fitting in" and being "unpopular"!! Oddly in 2002, a new show aired, I never heard about, until 2009! This new show, NOT Star Trek, caught my attention and I feel to this day it WAS a far better show, NOW having watched it many, many times!! That show was Firefly, and the 2005 movie Serenity!! Since then I really have been turned off completely to Star Trek, because the message of "There can be hope" has become stale to a guy like myself who has never known much "hope" in my world!! In fact I was divorcing my second wife in 2001, and lost my job due to the company going out of business in 2003 PLUS I had a son who went to prison in December of 2001 and a daughter that kept screwing with my life in 2002!! So I was pretty busy is why I totally missed Firefly while it was on the air!! Firefly WAS a show I could relate too!! It offered a view into a world social problems OFTEN OVERLOOKED by most Hollywood types!! Getting a job, keeping a job, and just getting paid FOR THAT JOB is often harder than it looks!! And Hollywood thinks that Poverty IS a choice.....when in a lot of cases it isn't!!

[@tacpaws]

I agree with it all. The real problem is the fan based rules, it prevents fans from making real star trek.. maybe make an episode about that aswell ;)

[@b0neme]

I think Strange New Worlds is OK, but Discovery just bored me with all the woke. After Season 1, I didn't care. So, to the extent that SNW doesn't (strictly?) follow Gene's vision, it's good storytelling. If there's a way to spin off a SNW plot into a new series that doesn't rely on the "regular" timeline, that might work!! (and Lower Decks is fun! More of this please!)

[@mikemcreynolds4842]

Discovery's first season was awful, but that show did improve over time. Its still not great, but it went up from an F to a B- in my book. Picard also started out pretty rough and improved over time. SNW has been consistently good, had moments of brilliance, but it occassionally gets a little too silly too often imo. Its still the best of the 3 though.

[@Melkur1981]

God damnit, i still want those last 3 seasons of Enterprise to happen. Moonves, what a b*stard

[@albertepstein5721]

Don't ever let me hear that rendition of Enterprise's theme song again. Ever

[@SirJohn1986]

I love most of the comments defending Roddenberry’s dream franchise. I applaud his enthusiasm, and excitement about what CAN be, if we put aside the petty differences and work together to face impossible challenges. That’s the Trek I love and yes, I will continue to pick and choose going forward. I love the fan based efforts that completed the 5 year mission. And the JJ Abram’s movies were personally a disappointment to me because they went with the dystopian theme. That’s just way too dark for me. I get enough of that from holly-weird already. I’m hopeful regarding Strange New Worlds and will see where that goes. At the end of the day this whole thing was and still is about hope. LLAP 🖖

[@andromedaone3640]

Star Trek Enterprise was more Star Trek than what has came out in the last few years, good singing.

[@Redshirt434]

Something people dont talk about: Enterprise was actually competing with TNG and DS9 reruns on TNN for ratings.

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

The problem with Enterprise was the third season from hell that wouldn’t get out of the way. I couldn’t care less about the Xindi then or now. I thought it was going to be a two or three part arc story, not an unending season of fluff and filler episodes about a temporal time war BS. I was very active on the official Star Trek message board and most people couldn’t stand that season also for the same reason. We knew about the hatred for Star Trek by Mr. Moones and the incompetent show runners Rick Berman and Brian Braga aka The Killers B’s.

[@w3bst3r123]

SNW is pretty well done; I feel it carries most of the ST spirit

[@scoutiii8893]

Meh. It cherry picks stories and elements from TOS and then shoves the TOS "muppet-baby" versions of the characters in our face.

[@MLPDethDealr32]

yea... by claiming World War 3 was started by January 6th. yea sure.

[@shagrat47]

The problem with Star Wars isn't "too much content" it's the "content itself"... 😎

[@lordthothy]

Outstanding video! Well done!

[@ThePopcast]

Thank you!

[@alandoran3364]

Not destroyed classic star trek is still there ,it will always be there for us to lose oneself in ,to give us hope and comfort that it will be okay in the end... live long and Prosper my friends...

[@jaymewebster7744]

The CBS Executive hated star Trek and cancelledx it. He did get axed in the me too movement for his exploits

[@jaymewebster7744]

I was right that fans saw what I've known for year. The hosts got it right

[@thomasschreiber9559]

I understand your point about mishandling of the shows with the overlaps etc., but to me Brave New Worlds is a continuation of the Star Trek I know from TOS and the 90's shows. Orville deserves honorable mention and Discovery completely sucks and should have never been made.

[@FRACTUREDVISIONmusic]

I'm at 03:01. My guess is you're going to say, Les Moonves... Okay, clicking Play again, curious who guys are calling out. Which, to say ahead of time, whomever it is you're going to point to, you're probably right, because you guys think far far deeper about the Trek-verse due to your vocation than I care to. Star Trek in terms of anything new since Enterprise was cancelled after it's first most promising season, S4, has been dead for a huwile now. That's okay. Technology allows that to not matter. We still have and will have for the foreseeable future of mankind, the classic Star Treks to wrap ourselves comfortably in most whenever we wish. Ok, hitting PLAY... Back again... YEP, we both agree who the villain is. Love that silhouette of Moonves with the demon-esque tentacles writhing behind him!

[@GGNTE83]

Truth be told I always wondered why the ended enterprise and hearing this clarifies so much for me...the abovementionen person responsible can well...I'll keep those opinions to myself.

[@jimbruton9482]

As bad as what Moonves did to Star Trek, what Fox did to Firefly was 1st torture (playing episodes out of order), then murder in the 1st degree (cancelling the series before the 1st season was concluded).

[@aaronsnyder2420]

Not a fan of Moonves or NuTrek but it was over saturation to blame for Enterprise's cancellation. I don't remember off hand but I believe the ratings were pretty bad for a show that expensive. When TNG went off the air it took a LONG time to really miss it because we still had the movies, Worf on DS9, Q occasionally on Voyager, etc. It probably took about a decade after Enterprise's cancellation for people to really appreciate and have nostalgia for the Berman era.

[@hawkstringfellow]

Picard season3 was epic

[@BobbyCoolBreeze]

Terry Matalas is a leftover from the Bermanverse and should be in charge of Star Trek. Matalas is like the Filoni of Star Wars both had great mentors.

[@tg8199]

No one can kill Star Trek, just re-watching Voyager and having a blast, there is great stories and hours of entertainment, and who knows, we might get a good new series down the road.

[@James-nl6fu]

Disney is doing its best 👌 kudos 👏 where its deserved. They wrecked everything else. Star Trek won't escape

[@hawkstringfellow]

Kurtzman did not ask for help either like Disney with star wars mark hamel said he told them rey has to finish her training i would have loved to see fin become a jedi and have him and rey have a brother and sister connection like luke and leia both trained in the force to take on snoke and ren but it didn't go that way 😢😢

[@MLPDethDealr32]

Yea.. no in terms of " updating" Trek's visuals. Im sick of it. Enterprise episode IN a Mirror Darkly showed that you could have the aesthetics of a Constitution class bridge in the " modern" era. The only way Trek is saved is either through Metalas, or the Fans getting off their butts and forcing CBS to hand the license over to AXANAR PRODUCTIONS and the fans.

[@redbonetony22]

i real;ly wanted axanar, that's would have been great, tony todd for the win.

[@owenwildish331]

So Les Moonves was to Star Trek, kind of like what Michael Grade & Jonathan Powell were to Doctor Who, then..?

[@polishprince47]

LIVE LONG & PROSPER!! 🖖

[@chrissschwehr5911]

Since it appears Legacy has a good chance of coming on-line in the next year, it's very possible that Star Trek shall see a rebirth as early as this year. Strange New Worlds has shown that even with a different crew, even a different Enterprise, it can still work.

[@DonDonP1]

Nice! I love all generations of "Star Trek," but I have nothing at all against those who hate modern "Star Trek." Keep up the good work!

[@JoeZasada]

We really should have gotten 3 more seasons of Enterprise. That show's 4 season was dynamite!

[@laroark5036]

Moon vez ....you figure with a name like that he would like syfy

[@ThePopcast]

lmao

[@anthonylosego]

Probably not the person you think it was... "Les Moonves???" Oh, okay you knew. lol Bad Robot just capitalized on it.

[@DennisMoore664]

I always thought the guy was awful. This just confirms it. Les Moonves is a schmuck.

[@robertgaines-tulsa]

I guess that explains why DS9 was shown at 11:30 CT when I was in high school in the mid 90s. I had to record it with a VCR to watch it. Moonves was trying to hide and destroy Star Trek. He wasn't going to sell it either. I didn't care for Discovery to watch beyond the first season. Picard was a bit like scratching a chalkboard at times, but I wanted to get to the cool ending. The second season of Strange New Worlds didn't particularly interest me. I guess I'll check out the third season, but the series wants to feel more like a soap opera or comedy show. Their target audience is definitely women. I'm just not into cheesy love stories. If CBS just came out and called Star Trek "Sci-Fi for women" I wouldn't be surprised at this point. I can't figure out why else they killed the Andorran chief engineer for an aging engineering professor. So, the new chief engineer doesn't have a development arc because she's already perfect. Sounds familiar. I'm really sick of these characters they keep shoving down our throats that are perfect out of the gate and have to rub it in your face. Female characters should have development arcs too because that just makes them interesting and relatable. That's how you get viewers to care about characters. I really have no interest in the new chief engineer. It's just, deary, I've been doing this since before you were born. Sure, Star Trek did that with Scotty, but only when he showed up 70 years in the future, and they still gave him a development arc. He wasn't the expert engineer anymore and had to start all over again. So, I don't know what CBS is doing or why they would think women would want only perfect women characters that can already do everything.

[@DutchButters]

Good video guys.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

The problem with Disney Star Wars is not fatigue but really poor writing and next to zero character development. The Rey trilogy suffered from all of this and apart from The Mandalorian Season one and maybe two, the rest did the same. This is also why 'New Trek' doesn't get the same support from fans, a lot of poor writing.

[@paulmillbank3617]

I’ll need to finish watching this video, but as an impulse statement, Star Trek is very much alive and like everything, it has evolved along with the world. We don’t live in the 60s, or the 70s so that message is a bit different, but the core of Star Trek, listen, love, learn and embrace differences still exists.

[@SmokeRingsPipeDreams]

I loved this show, watched with my young son and for me it was the best Star Trek ever made.

[@bsharp3281]

You see the machine code beneath the operating system...and it's the face of evil

[@oso_dubu]

Not to mention the Fan Films.

[@SardonicALLY]

I have only watched the first season of any new Star Trek show. No more. I have nothing against updating Trek or making it feel modern, but they tore up the legacy rule book and wiped their asses with the pages. That didn't have to happen. Gay characters - fine. Female lead - fine , but the descent into mysticism and away from science - No , the hatred towards the fanbase and men in particular, combined with drug addicted and conflict ridden Federation? No way. It never felt like Trek to me.

[@jetnova16]

I’ve always known that Les Moonves killed my number one favorite Star Trek Series of all time (Star Trek: Enterprise) and every time I would say that others that called themselves Star Trek fans said I was wrong and that it was the ratings that killed it and that was because people hated it. I’ve stuck to my guns and always stated still that it was Les Moonves especially when I use the evidence that before the cancellation they were planning Season 5. It’s why I write my own Star Trek novels and my first one is set in 2161 after Star Trek: Enterprise ended with Jonathan and T’Pol married. I would love for a continuation of Star Trek: Enterprise picking up where “These Are The Voyages…” left off leaving Trip dead (hey it’s Canon so it happened), maybe utilizing the idea of Jonathan and T’Pol as a couple. They could easily do something through: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds.

[@Shogun459]

Yeah, he may have killed it but you can't forget the social engineering, "The Message", where Trek sacrificed a Good Story just to deliver "The Message". We watched Trek to escape reality and just have some fun and drama, Not to be Preached to and denigrated.

[@maxpitch4709]

I think pic season 3, snw and lower decks turned out great. Disco is a clusterfuck of epic proportions similar to the star wars sequels

[@patrickaikonia853]

I didn't know why my favorite show was cancelled. Now I know.

[@dennisud]

I totally agree that him cancelling Enterprise and keeping Star Trek off TV was his responsibility. That last gasp in 2015 was with me for money and as we found out he knew things were going to go Tits up for him so to speak! ;-)

[@jeffgaboury3157]

I'd given up hope on modern Trek until SNW. I think SNW is a fantastic rebirth of Golden Age Trek.

[@skyserf]

8:31 Star Wars isn’t suffering from too much content. It’s lack of quality that’s the problem.

[@DennisMoore664]

I still blame J. J. Abrams. But Moonves - that toxic burn pit of a person is the worst in so many ways. As for Star Trek's legacy? It depends on who is producing. For me, SNW has been mostly excellent even if it is building off of it's funky Disco sister series new timeline. Roddenberry's ideals are still out there. Hopefully if _Legacy_ becomes a realty the legacy of those ideals will be brought back. After all, it's Star Trek - with this franchise the sky's the limit!

[@shauntempley9757]

For me, Moonves and JJ Abrams and Bad Robot go together. No matter how it is looked at, it all goes back to Moonves where it all failed.

[@MLPDethDealr32]

What was excellent about it? Showing the crap from Jan 6th and alienating fans? It and Disco are NON CANON TO ME. Star Trek died with Enterprise.

[@DennisMoore664]

​@@MLPDethDealr32 Of all the things to complain about and the footage from the Jan 6th insurrection they used during the pilot is your example? That's a special kind of something.

[@MLPDethDealr32]

@@DennisMoore664 If its a non issue, whyd they put in there in the first place???

[@DennisMoore664]

@@MLPDethDealr32 Because it's not a non-issue. It was a culturally relevant reference to a widely seen example of civil unrest and violence. I just went back and watched the scene you pointed to as being a problem. There are a three one-second pieces of footage from Jan 6th and three others from (probably) BLM or ANTIFA protests and riots. You choosing to single out the Jan 6th footage as your example? You should quit while your behind.

[@davidblank420]

Lastname is Moon and he hates sci-fi? Kinda ridiculous on the face of it.

[@sidewire8777]

Sometimes I wonder how people seam to really deify Gene Roddenberry. He had even said in interviews how if he wanted to start a cult he could like the Churh of Scientology Or how he said that the crew shouldn’t have any conflict in TNG, when some of the best moment of TOS was Spock and Mcoys constant banter and arguments Or how Gene himself said he hated Wrath of khan

[@sdwone]

The BEST way to honour Gene Roddenberry now, would be to actually make his dreams become a reality! Through hard-work, study, knowledge, Science, Peace and all that Good Stuff! We have some exciting developments in space exploration coming down the road... We have continual breakthroughs in medicine... And we continue to uncover the mysteries of Space! Rather than consume what could be by revisiting Gene's classic works in a passive sense... Why not become active and participate?! Learn something... DO something! To ensure that his vision becomes a Reality! My two cents...

[@annettemalaski1967]

Les Moonves did not kill it, but it was on life support in ICU for way too long!

[@jefferyyoung2580]

Mr . Kirkmen is the cause 😢

[@phenomeninja1855]

Les Moonves destroyed Trek by cancelling enterprise .

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

Never to much Star Trek if it is done well.

[@NoMoneyG]

Excellent review! I actually loved all of Enterprise & love it even more after rewatching it again recently. It's my 2nd favorite Trek show, but that's just me. Thanks guys

[@ThePopcast]

Glad you enjoyed it! THANKS my friend!

[@destinycaptain247]

The answer is Braga… Yep, I said it. He was the Kurtzman before Kurtzman.