Who REALLY Stuffed the Kids in the Suits? (FNAF Theory)

[@ImmenseAndrew]

Minor correction: I realize that Freddy Fazbear's was established in 1983, so if Charlie died at Freddy's, she could still have died 2 years before the MCI, not necessarily less than 1.

[@alderlopezcastro4928]

Still 1 cause the Mci died in June, so she was possessing the puppet for 1 year and something months

[@andrewsadach3194]

🎺🎺🎺

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

If Charlie died at Freddy’s then it’s likely the same year as the MCI if not One year after.

[@andrewsadach3194]

@@SonZackSSJ9k and yet everyone forgets that The Puppet is possessed in FNAF2 at the original Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria. FNAF1 takes place at another franchisee after the events of FNAF2.

[@andrewsadach3194]

@@alderlopezcastro4928 FNAF2 is a prequel to FNAF1.

[@connorstamps1298]

I think that William killed them and stuffed the bodies in the suits and the Puppet “gave them new life” by showing them how to possess the animatronics, while also giving them a chance for revenge and to comfort them after their deaths when nobody was there to comfort her for her death

[@littledovegaming1408]

I do too because it just makes sense

[@soulsurvivor8293]

The one exception is the fifth child, Cassidy. William likely forced or chased Cassidy into the Fredbear spring trap suit. Then, once inside, William set off the mechanisms to snap the endo back in place on Cassidy. Resulting in an Agony fuelled death of drowning in their own blood. Charlie and the other four are conversely bound to their animatronics by way of Remnant. William and Cassidy are bound to their respective spring trap suits by way of Agony. William likely saw the Fredbear suit attempting to move and bound it in chains with weighted balls to stop the Vengeful Spirit of Cassidy from exacting revenge. It's probably what initially clued him into the supernatural elements initially. It's possible that shortly after that, fearing for his life, he would dump it in the lake near their house in the woods. Possibly close to where Mike's brother is maybe buried in an unmarked grave. But, being a creation of Agony it can attach itself or infect other things. So it could have infected Mike's brothers close by corspe or attached itself to his wandering spirit and returned to the Pizzaria that way. As the first game is chronologically set after the second, that explains why the Fredbear spring lock suit is seemingly just an apparition with no physical presence, but in the second game that takes place before the first it has a physical presence. After the first game, William disposes of the Fredbear suit in the lake to round up the others to harvest the Remnant from them. When the injected animatronics at his bunker become increasingly hostile towards him, he goes back to get the Spring Bonnie suit only to get cornered and killed by Cassidy's overwhelming Agony presence in the Spring Bonnie suit failure. Cassidy, gets their revenge leaving William to die a slow Agonising death like they did. When William comes back, he realises what has happened and knows he can't go back to the bunker himself after being locked in the back room. So William presumably uses a landline phone in that room and calls Mike to go sort out things in the Bunker. At least that's the best theory of events I know of, generally.

[@FnH1114]

Ya but in fnaf 4 we find cassidy stuffed in fredbear befor the bite

[@HydraKittten]

Personally, I interpret it as William physically stuffed the corpses, but the Puppet led the spirits to the animatronics

[@tubbymctubbz7997]

That is exactly what I came to the comments to say.

[@macieg.]

We know for a fact that simply dying next to metal/animatronic is enough to possess it. Look at elizabeth possessing Baby or mike possessing metal from scooper inside his body

[@pelkerkes]

i honestly think that give gifts, give life resembles charlie "reminding" mci victims of their bodies' location, just like in alone together, thus making them gain control over animatronics in one way or another

[@Kirke910]

Yeah this is what I think as well. It’s pretty clearly spelled out in that story. If the kids bodies were never found then their souls won’t even know they are dead until Charlie shows them their own bodies inside the suits, allowing them to possess the characters.

[@CreepyLGuy]

Here's a WillStuff explanation for the Give Life minigame: The Puppet is trying to reanimate the corpses that are in the animatronic suits, and the ghosts thus possess the animatronics. The kids didn't know they were dead until this happened, and when they found out, the bites started happening, employees and night guards went missing, and put simply, The Puppet kinda fucked up.

[@Grim-OlliBall]

18:18 I’m so sorry, I’m listening to what you’re saying, but what are you even trying to achieve in the background?? It’s making my day

[@enchanted-j2z]

Help I just replayed that and it made me laugh 😭

[@cobaltcrusader9841]

It was me. I put the bodies there.

[@Duffymuffy]

Dawg why you do that 😭 They did nothin to you 😭🙏

[@cobaltcrusader9841]

@@Duffymuffy They existed on my world without my permission

[@joshuavis2736]

I think it’s interesting that it’s just the heads. Maybe it could be representing the children being able to see through the eyes of their animatronics now that they have life. Or that they now possess and are one with that animatronic

[@PuppyLove2468]

it could also be a symbol of how they sort of lost their previous identity through taking control of the suits

[@shyowl3453]

I didn’t even know this was being questioned

[@sol6700]

That's what I thought myself. I'm pretty sure this is a commonly held theory by this point. I've believed this for so long I forget where I heard it first. Probably game theory or something

[@shyowl3453]

@@sol6700 I don’t remember even hearing it stated as being notable anywhere, I just always thought it made sense and moved on, I never even considered the puppet being the one to stuff them since it seemed so obvious it was afton, it’s good to see the other side of a theory since it’s not something I ever would’ve even considered

[@alderlopezcastro4928]

I actually agree with this theory and that charlie giving life to the kids was a big mistake

[@pig3gu]

Yeah especially since others usually paint the Puppet as an omnicient being who would never do wrong, like thats not a good character thats cardboard, you can have a morally good character make a bad decision (i say this cause when a morally good character does a bad decision people either A. Complain on the mistake B. Over criticize the moment ignoring hindsight C. Paint the character in a new negative light Like seriously Charlie was a child they tend not to have astronomical decision making skills

[@alderlopezcastro4928]

@pig3gu Yup, It makes a lot of sense for charlie to be making alot of mistakes because she's a child who only wants to help but only makes things worse for others. We shouldn't expect her to know everything.

[@pig3gu]

@@alderlopezcastro4928 yeah and can we all agree the trope of the morally and allways good righteous character is just a bit overused and can be very heavy handed

[@alderlopezcastro4928]

@pig3gu Yup. When you do that, people who call out mistakes as bad writing.

[@pig3gu]

@@alderlopezcastro4928 yeah like theres a difference between a character flaw and bad writing one is a part of the character that makes them feel more fleshed out the other is an error on the behalf of the creator

[@lil-_-zoom]

I feel that William killed kids to have a party for his dying son then stuffed him into the animatronic that left him comatose

[@ivebenhere1843]

Actually a really good theory! This changes my perspective on give life. I feel like this video can also serve as strong evidence to suggest that Cassidy was killed in a springlock failure since the puppet never gave her life and she still somehow possesses Golden Freddy.

[@ImmortalAbsol]

I agree with your take on Charlie's motivations.

[@buggloss]

Pretty much summarized my thoughts! I always thought William put the kids’ bodies in the animatronics to hide them, and THEN did the Puppet come to bound their souls, cluelessly trapping them. *Plus* it didn’t help that the bodies weren’t found, thus complicating the kids’ process of moving on, just like Alone Together. The animatronics’ murderous intent could also come because the security guards had a (possibly) identical uniform from William’s when the murders took place, therefore worsening the situation imo, and maybe some wacky programming/malfunction could’ve lead to the 87 bite in fnaf2 :p Very awesome script, I love your videos!! Keep up the great work

[@Conceptbonnie]

To my understanding: In the books (fazbear frights or tales of the pizzaplex I don’t recall) it’s revealed that for a soul to ascend or realize it’s dead it needs to discover it’s body on its own or it’s body needs to be discovered by other people. Charlie dies in the back ally a place where people would have eventually found her body but the MCI kids were stuffed into the suits by William a place were no one, not even themselves, would see the bodies. So that’s when Charlie/ the puppet kicks in. I believe Charlie just guided the souls of the kids to their bodies so they could realize what was happening and become “aware”. They decided to not ascend and instead make sure William pays for his crimes. So once he does and he becomes Springtrap they make happiest day and try to convince golden Freddy to ascend along side them. Good theory this is just what I personally believe. (Note: I just realized that into the pit and the normal MCI are not one to one. Since in the poster of fnaf one it’s said that the kids were lured into the back room and killed one by one throughout the curse of several days and no one saw the actually bodies unlike in into the pit were the spring Bonnie demon thing actively showed the bodies as if it was proud).

[@codename_nons1141]

Simple, after the kids died they did it themselves.

[@nerdynina3805]

I agree with most of your theory. I do agree that what happened was most likely a combination of WilliamStuff and Puppetstuff, but I don't think Charlotte was necessarily trying to bind them to the suits. What if the "gift" she was trying to give them was actually the gift of moving on. Of peace and rest. But it accidentally resulted in given them new life instead? Giving gifts gave them life, so she stayed and watched over them for all those years until she finally figured out to to give them their Happiest Day and they finally moved on

[@thedarkdevil1661]

11:15 I was previously in that "solution" camp for a while as well, until I came up with one of my own. First, I believe GGGL is a normal arcade game, until the puppet gives the presents, then it turns into what really happened. Similar to 12:06 What if William Stuffed the kids and the kids possessed the suits, but weren't hostile. Their spirits just lingered, running around the pizzeria. Maybe causing drawings to change, lights to flicker, and even the occasional staring animatronic, but nothing massive. 15:15 - 15:24 Not a full possession, but more like that one Frights book with the spirit roaming where they died, until they realise they're dead. That is until the puppet follows the wondering spirits to the back room in Fnaf 2. And, pulling a carlton/abby, reminds the spirits "THIS IS THE BAD MAN". The spirits then get mad and (in my mind) their forms change from their normal selves to their Happiest day selves with the masks (puting the heads on the kids in GGGL), showing they're now in control of their animatronics. This then leads directly into Save Them were, like when they find out in the Movie and TFC, they gun straight for William, trying to get revenge. However, as we find out....."YOU CANT". Basically, the kids' spirits DO possess the animatronics, but not to the same extent as Charlie, Baby, or EVEN Golden Freddy, who all died near/in their suits (Golden freddy's spirit.is implied to have been springlocked, hence they follow TSE logic of Possessing the suits their suit on their own. So Charlie doesnt need to help them, which is why Golden Freddy JUST........APPEARS at the end of GGGL). Then the Puppet finds the wondering spirits, makes them aware they're dead and who killed them, and then they immediately go for William (as they do when this happens in TFC and the movie), however, unlike the other cases...."YOU CANT" and now the spirits are trapped in that state. I always found it weird that the Carlton/abby role existed, but it was never implied in the games, then I realised the puppet's character could easily play that role. Then they feel guilt for setting them on their endless revenge path.

[@user-nm1lx8qb3u]

But then what about the DCI kids?

[@voltelecton438]

My theory after the death of the crying child, William kills Charlie’s and Charlie was the first to become possessed after the puppet crawls to her body. The puppet then stuffs the first set of children at the first Freddy’s location (not fredbears diner), which is when William starts to learn about the possession of his murder victims in the suites. He then kills the second set of kids and leaves them in the open to test the puppet to try and learn more about how the possession works. After confirming, he proceeds to make the Funtime animatronics to further learn how to master this ability with the ultimate goal of “I will put you back together”.

[@RimHellworth]

Im convinced the retcon is take cake minigame from SAVEHIM to Charlie being a girl. This is a confirmed retcon and none called it out and it was a pretty seamless change like Scott said it was

[@l4l01234]

At a certain point you have to just admit that the majority of the games and media do not work well as a single unified continuity. It’s not about blindly calling every weird thing a “retcon”, it’s about acknowledging that Scott was writing the story of these games individually and without a fully developed plan for the entire storyline in the beginning. So a plot point that was written in one way in one game, changes and becomes something else in a later game, just because Scott is making changes to the story to better fit whatever goal he had for that specific game, at that specific time. Rewrites exist and they’re very common, in fact I’d say most of the confusion in the plot lines of these games is just that: people refusing to acknowledge the very obvious rewrites from one game to the next, and instead insisting that there has to be some in-universe explanation for every rewrite and that the entire storyline between all the games combined HAS to fit within a single continuity, when they very obviously don’t.

[@macieg.]

I really think that puppet simply approached the bodies to animatronics, she doesn't have any life giving powers. Following the theory, do you really imply that puppet gave life to elizabeth too? And also got into a saferoom to give it to William, or gave life to Mike letting him possess his own body?

[@enchanted-j2z]

Well for Elizabeth, I’m pretty sure she died inside of baby’s stomach hatch. The claw most likely dragged her inside quick enough so that no one would hear her screams and in there she most likely suffocated to death which means she died inside of baby and thus, was able to possess her. The claw probably did drag her in because if she was killed outside, there most likely would have been blood and the funtimes were designed to secretly take/capture children and blood being on the floor would probably be a huge problem if someone were to see it and then baby just standing there or smth. Funtime Freddy also has his own stomach hatch that’s big enough to hold a child. So Elizabeth, dying inside of baby, possessed her. Same thing for William, he died inside of the suit when it spring locked him As for Michael, we learn in fnaf pizza simulator that the scooper was used to inject remnant so Michael most likely did get injected with remnant which allowed him to live So these 3 didn’t NEED Charlie’s help, they were able to on their own because of the way they died

[@macieg.]

@enchanted-j2z what does that change tho, these 3 examples (+ charlie herself) cleaely show that a soul doesn not need anyone like charlie to possess metal. The body also doesn't even need to be inside an animatronic, toys got possessed too after all

[@darknimbus_]

19:28 to lead on to this, i think it's because Charlie is almost completely just remnant. I swear there was another line or something that she'd forgiven the incident, wants to put everything behind her, and with how quick or death is I doubt it was particularly painful. She is aware because she lacks the amount of Agony the others have. Truly making her the opposite of Cassidy, which seems to be an incredible amount of Agony. Both sources are powerful, but the means are different. Makes me think perhaps the agony has an effect on ego, and that's why the bite victims have some sort of personality, but by the time the funtimes (minus Baby) exist between all the mixing and agony introduced they only have a trait of being aggressive. They're pretty much just agony machines. I'd say Baby is a strong mix of both, the agony all the funtimes recieved + the agony/remnant mix of Elizabeth being added. Just some brainstorming your theory gave me, I really do like your idea and honestly been leaning that way for a while just hadn't had it so structured before

[@rubythorns2349]

In one of the books, it's said that spirits wander and are confused when their bodies aren't found. That's why Charlie's possession is so much more tangible, because her body was found just outside the restaurant whilst the MCI kids are never found. In give gifts, give life, she is likely relating to the other kids what happened to them, thus making them "found" and able to fully possess the animatronics.

[@missfazbear8810]

That's what I was thinking! This could tie in to the Midnight Motorist mini game with the runaway going to 'that place' and finding Charlie on the ground.

[@Taxidii]

Man, just discovered this channel and it's so amazing. Love your vids man

[@ciboria1]

Okay, but binding them to the suits was the best way for the Puppet to protect them from being taken by Afton! It wasnt a mistake, it was an attempt to save the souls, by giving them life before Afton could take them away for experiments. Thats not contradictory with Happiest Day, it was the only way the puppet thought they'd see that day

[@Gathaspar-k8r]

Fnaf 1 and the animatronic's method of killing by stuffing people alive into the suits where they die later suggest that William indeed stuffed them and they died inside. But there is a problem because William chose to lure into and kill them inside the Safe Room because there were no cameras but it should not have active and performing animatronics stored in there also then he would need to either take the kids bodies into the Backstage, Main Stage and Pirate Cove to stuff them or he would have to take animatronics into the Safe Room. In both cases he would be seen on cameras. We know that he could be the one caught on cameras as newspapers mention but it was in relation to someone dressed as a mascot not who took animatronics. It makes more sense that William killed children and left their bodies in the Safe Room and the Puppet stuffed them. I don't think there really is a satisfying answer. Propably Scott at first was WillStuff then PuppetStuff then WillStuff again. We know that children possess the animatronics thanks to Charlie and that's the only thing that matter in my opinion. If you can make a good story out of those interpretations that's what's the most important.

[@britanimations2002]

Didn't know Puppet Stuff was even still a popular idea, I thought it was brought up by MatPat that one time then largely dismissed since the killer stuffing them just makes more sense

[@Shapognaty]

_3:37__ Here a stupid theory(dont take it seriously): what if the animatronics scared the guard to death, and then when they notice its not the killer they stuff him in the suit in a way to save the guard's life like how puppet did_

[@Niko__01]

It still always gets me that it is almost never mentioned that in Give Gifts, Give Life, the puppet doesn't give gifts or life to all 5 of the MCI kids. There are only 4 kids, and Golden Freddy's head just jump scares you, right after the 5th body just appears in the middle.

[@Herr_Schindler]

Literally my thoughts. I would also add that Elizabeth died inside Baby too. In both continuities

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

The Puppet simply allowed the spirits to possess the animatronics as if they were dead then the only way to give them life is to allow the spirits something to cling on to along with Henry saying how Charlie helped the children in his final speech in FNAF 6. Edit: great minds think a like 😊

[@fandomcentralstation]

This totally makes sense with Cassidy too! In the Give Gifts minigame, Charlie doesn’t put a Fredbear mask on the fifth body that appears, and if we go with the theory that Cassidy is particularly vengeful cuz she was springlocked to death, then that would explain why Charlie didn’t need to Give Life to her!

[@Cherushi_i]

i genuinely think puppetstuffed was what give gifts give life was TRYING to imply, but as willstuffed became and stayed the popular idea scott just changed it to be the puppet putting their essence in the machines or whatever

[@easternelvenlady]

This theory is exactly what I always assumed regarding who stuffed the bodies in the suits, and what the puppet did in Give Gifts, Give Life. I hadn't even been aware there was any debate about it. Which is just to say that I agree with you 100%!

[@drewkaplan6746]

0:47 they probably just got up and stuffed themselves into the suits

[@Thebestsikeee]

Yeah, that's accurate enough for my dumbass brain

[@lionito08]

2:50 Henry literally says “daughter” in the ending so idk what you mean by saying that

[@nrudy]

Yeah, I think you're onto something with this one. I think part of the reason this is so confusing is that the mechanics of possession, the Aftons, etc, just didn't exist when FNAF 2 was made. So the later stuff has to incorporate things in strange ways to stay consistent.

[@sailorlarz]

I was 1k like Whoo🎉 Great video bud, this really clicks all the pieces together in a satisfying way!

[@iamthemouse4483]

In case you haven't been in the loop, Into The Pit did add more evidence to WillStuff, but in regards to StitchlineGames, it kinda made things more complicated. It dealt a heavy blow to the Parallels side, yes, but it did so by adding a new contender called PitlineGames. Basically, people took the inconsistencies with the original books (Golden Freddy being in the story, the changes to the story, BonBon being in the Count The Ways mini game, etc) and went on to create the theory that the Frights Books are technically canon, but unreliable, and that if the games (particularly the adaptations) contradict the books, that we should default to what the games tell us.

[@azimuddin1890]

My answer: Everyone stuffed them into the suits. End debate

[@Celtic1020]

It could be that the Puppet was helping link their souls to the suits. I don't have a good explanation for why that wouldn't have happened already though. Edit: 11:42. Well then. Called it lol. Let's see where this goes.

[@RadioactiveE3]

I'll be honest, I didn't even know there was an active debate on who stuffed who, because I always though the solution you mention in the video was already agreed upon by everyone. I figured everyone just automatically assumed it makes sense for William to stuff the bodies to hide them in the suits, and the puppet actually bounds their souls to the body. In all fairness, I don't actually follow the FNAF fandom or community because I'm not a big fan of either one of them, so I guess it makes sense why I didn't know until now. Anyway, to my other point - fantastic video.

[@TechnicalTechnicolor]

Isn't it the implication of the true ending of help wanted 2 that Chica was the first? She also said that herself in ucn. "I was the first; I have seen everything."

[@Jacoboy27]

Also, in FNAF world, the puppet has an ability called gift boxes which can revive party members.

[@aptekagneva]

This is a well crafted, logical and believeable theory, I think it makes sense

[@lil-_-zoom]

I think the stuffing the kids in the suits is the retcon and only 1 kid got stuffed

[@jackbelk]

Это забавно, но я с самого первого дня так и думал. Марионетка лишь "вдыхает жизнь" в бездуховные тела, которые Уильям запихал в костюмы. мне нравится, как вы прояснили некоторые моменты, о которых я не задумывался

[@Jaeshawm]

I think there’s further evidence to support this theory: In one of the fazbear frights stories there’s a part that describes how a soul has to find their body to remember what happened and choose to move on. (Sorry I can’t remember which one, it’s late😭) I think the puppet helped guide the souls to their bodies inside their suits and therefore helped them regain their memories of what happened. That probably caused a lot of agony which could also be why the core four animations + anything built with their parts (ex: the toys using their parts and malfunctioning, and the Funtimes with molten MCI being extremely aggressive; hanging the two electricians in night 5) are so aggressive. I think the story also shows how Charlie was able to posses the puppet in the first place. She probably found her body laying beside the puppet. (since it was out in the open) Since the puppet was wrapped around or at least touching Charlie, she was able to possess it; likely with a ton of agony. This agony could be from her A. Being locked outside the pizzeria, and B. Straight up just being murdered😭 probably both. This next parts me just kinda throwing things out there that could be completely and totally wrong, but since the puppets possession was such a special case, narratively wouldn’t it make the most sense for Charlie to be the vengeful spirit? The one with the most consciousness out of any other animatronic we’ve seen? Shouldn’t “the one you should not have killed” be the one that started everything and is now keeping William in hell? I feel like that makes more sense than the ‘Cassidy was beaten and battered worse than the other 5 kids and is therefore the one you shouldn’t have killed’ theory. It feels too headcannon for me. In UCN she says “the others are like animals, but I am fully aware.” Further evidence for that is that she’s the one who guided the kids to their bodies in the suits. She seems to have some kind of supernatural abilities having created basically eternal hell for William afton in UCN. How else would she have known the bodies were in the animatronics? She didn’t see them get killed or stuffed? Charlie can probably do a lot more than we realize honestly. If she is the vengeful spirit shes shown to have the ability to speak through that one group of animatronics that I can’t remember the name of for the life of me, It’s the group with Mr hippo. She can also hold other real souls in UCN. This is shown when withered Bonnie says “what is this new prison? Is it me trapped or is it you? Perhaps it’s us both.” I also heard something somewhere about Charlie being able to ‘go into the real world’ referring to modern fnaf lore (breaking out the games made by the hired indie dev and into the world where the pizzaplex is built) I’m not all that into current fnaf lore though tbh, I prefer 1-6+UCN. Idk though this is all just food for thought. Btw I’m sorry if things are all over the place, commenting on mobile KZbin is really glitchy and it’s hard to go back and add/change things. Plus my brain is always just all over the place lol. EDIT: Omg it just clicked, the “gifts” Charlie’s giving the kids (which could be and looks like souls) is their bodies, and the masks being put on them is likely the souls being put inside the suits; NOT the bodies. With these being very similar sprites to the ones shown in the “SAVE THEM” mini game, I believe that those kids we see in that mini game are spirits not dead kids. There’s little evidence for that though, the only thing that I could find to support that is that there’s no blood under any of their bodies, but there is blood in random spots around the building. That’s most likely an intentional decision. Why would William put the blood in places that the bodies aren’t? It doesn’t make sense. The only reason to do that is to show that the kids are somehow away from where they got killed. You could say they crawled away before they were killed but there would be trails of blood if that were the case. And why would William move them from where they were killed just to leave them out in the open? More headcannon: What if happiest day is Charlie finally moving on and releasing the spirits from UCN? Potentially being after old man consequences tells us to leave the demon to his demons and rest our own soul? “His demons” being the agony he created? And when we drown in the lake and crash the game that could signify us (the vengeful spirit) moving on, ‘breaking out’ of UCN. It would also make a lot of sense if old man consequences was Henry, because who else would it be? Henry talks about “making himself sleep” in his final speech. He says that he’s not going to do it yet. YET IS A KEY WORD THERE. And if Charlie truly does have the power to round up spirits and hold them together, who’s to say that she didn’t also get Henry, her father’s spirit? This really ties a lot together at least for me personally. The moment by the lake could be a father talking his daughter, telling her to move on. I know I’m using agony as a lot of reasoning but it just never made sense to me why these two things would need to be separate. I feel like this explains a lot. I think fnaf ar kinda boosts this theory (agony being why the animatronics are hostile) too in a way, with remnant being something you want to collect because it’s good and agony being something to avoid because it harms you. Kinda dumb reasoning but it makes sense. Finally, for real, I hate to use the retcon explanation just as much as you do but I feel like this could honestly be the major retcon Scott made? Changing the happiest day ending to happen at the end of the series instead of when it did. The only thing that’s really tripping me up about Charlie being the vengeful spirit is golden Freddy. Why would he still be twitching at the end? The only thing I can see explaining that is if this scene had nothing to do with UCN, but it’s instead explaining what happened to the crying child. What if it’s trying to tell us that the crying child does possess golden Freddy along with another spirit. (The 5th kid from the original MCI) Since the crying child was killed by golden Freddy, I think that explains why he possesses it but “can’t see” as he says in the logbook. He was killed ‘in’ the animatronic (in used loosely there) but his body wasn’t kept in there. That’s probably why he’s left twitching in that final cutscene. He can’t move on, he hasn’t found his body yet. The other spirit possessing golden Freddy has because it was a part of the MCI and actually had a body in the suit to begin with. In give gifts give life when you finish putting the masks on the four souls you get a fifth one in the middle and then a golden Freddy jumpscare. This likely signifies that the 5th MCI victim was given life the same was as the core 4 were. This happened after the crying child possessed it, seeing as the springlocks were already out of commission at this time. So in the end, every other spirit has moved on at this point while the crying child is stuck inside of golden Freddy; likely forever. Okay ik I said last thing but I just keep thinking and realizing more shit 😭 what if DCI did actually happen. It would explain the blood on the floor in save them and the spirits being there in the first place. The only thing confusing me is where the bodies would go. Did William put them inside the toys? I think it’s possible with mangle already walking around at this point. Only question is, where would the body go in mangle😭 maybe it was pre mangle at best or something like that? That’s like the only loose thread I have right now on top of ‘how would the spirits in the toys move on,’ which could be because the puppet brought them into UCN.

[@kobiimac5131]

My interpretation of this always came from like real lore on ghost which basically States the the spirit is tied to either the remains or an important place or thing to the victim because most of the time goes to vengeful spirits and I think that William stuff them then the puppet shows them how to possess stuff

[@wakaitsu]

Why does everyone thinks that in Give Gifts, Give Life Puppet gives children animatronic HEADS? It looks more like party masks, representing the characters. If GGGL was intended to show Puppet stuffing children in suits, it would just show the full sprite change, not just heads.

[@commanderponds8308]

I always thought it was pretty obvious that purple guy stuffed the bodies into the suits then the puppet stuffed their souls

[@Bodharas]

No way into the pit is cannon, the game is a love letter to the fans. It exists within its own timeline, but isn't a part of the games timeline, unless it exists as a game in the games timeline. That's possible.

[@aidanloya6686]

The only thing I would change up is your Charlie possessions rules. I think it's very possible that Charlie dies after the puppet is holding her, and the books rule of possessions explains her's. Then she went on to tie the mci to their animatronics. I think it's very fair to believe that the books rule is cannon to the game, and so is the fact that Charlie tied the missing children's souls to the animatronics. I believe that Charlie gave life to kids and that if you die inside/surrounded by an animatronic you'll possess that one. (Elizabeth's possession of baby happened that way, she died inside of baby and now is stuck to)

[@kingloucifur8086]

I see Give Gifts, Give Life as symbolic of Charlie in the Puppet guiding the souls to their bodies. First, she tries to help the spirits by giving them gifts. Merch from the prize counter to make them happy or calm them from being scared and confused. When that doesn't work, she shows them where their bodies are, causing them to be able to take control of their respective animatronics. As shown in Dittophobia, there's a difference between a lost soul and one that knows they've died after seeing their body.

[@bubbleshock14]

ngl, I thought this was the most standard theory lol. William stuffed them, the puppet gave them life.

[@babylakelavi]

I think William stuffed the bodies and the Marionette more symbolically brought their spirits into the suits as a child who was killed herself helping other victims not have their life cut shorter than it was intended to (I also have been pretty gone from fnaf lore since 4 was pretty new though)

[@babylakelavi]

I typed this like 8 minutes into the video

[@BigBasherSheep]

I recon it is that William killed and then stuffed them because for the missing children to posses the animatronics they need to see their bodies, that’s why the puppet could fully possess the puppet because the puppet saw Cassidy before she possessed it and she would have seen her body after possessing it. That’s why she has to help everyone else in give gifts give life because she showed them their bodies. And the reason that golden Freddy is so weird is because he never saw his body because William took it and buried it where we see in midnight motorist. William tried to save his child, the crying child, by putting it inside of golden Freddy but it went bad, he took the body out but after the crying child possessed the animatronic and then buried it.

[@brandonnn9543]

Hopefully into the pit will confirm when and where Charlie died. I believe it was at Freddy’s right before the mci.

[@titanic13608]

(This is a stupid idea with a bunch of holes but it's been on my mind for a while now) Couldn't it be that Charlie's possession "worked better" because the puppet broke in the rain? Assuming that what actually breaks with water is the system, programming and stuff, not the actual body of an animatronic(idk shit about robotics) When she died and haunted the puppet, her soul was the only moving force in it thus being more aware. Meanwhile when the mci haunted the animatronics but didn't posses them since there was already a "consciousness" to them. Giving life would be the puppet helping them to posses the animatronics rather than just haunt them. Giving them some more control but still conflicting with the already existing programing.

[@titanic13608]

Also I've spent a long time away from the community so if this is already a theory I'd appreciate it if someone tells me the name for it

[@k-poppanda9430]

Hi, please make more videos. These are so fun to watch

[@Commonhouseplant]

I disagree. We see plenty of examples where spirits possess stuff when we only just in close proximity. You mention Stitchcline but ignore the fact that Jake was able to possess something across the room through love, an emotion weaker than agony. Throughout Frights we have pretty clear implication that they don't need to die inside the suit to possess it. All that is necessary for possession is three things, the body, the soul and emotion. Charlie is entirely unnecessary to help them possess the animatronics. It has to be something else. Especially since if this was the case, then why does Golden Freddy not need help from Charlie to possess the animatronics, why is Golden Freddy different in this scenario. My personal idea is that the idea of giving life is much more metaphorical. We see in Tales that spirits are incomplete if they don't know how they died, they can't move on because they often forget their memories. Charlie as the puppet gives the gift of knowledge and the gift of being aware to the children, making them remember how Afton killed them. It's why Mike says the Funtimes thought he was William.

[@Freddo.horror]

I think william stuffed the first 5, but when he killed the 2nd 5 he didnt care about hiding it cuz he wanted the restaurant shut down, and the puppet gave those 5 kids life by stuffing them in the new originals, the ones we see in fnaf 1, cuz we know that the withered ones have the original 5, so the animatronics from fnaf 1 were empty, but they couldnt be because them why would they attack us? And if the kids needed the puppet to bound them, who bounded charlie to the puppet?

[@xWoods06x]

Ive always thought this so im glad someone is bridging light to it

[@Oreo-kv4gc]

William hide the body in the suit that why they couldn't find them to

[@luzkyY_isded]

i always thought this, I THOUGHT EVERYONE THOUGHT THIS

[@thecluckster3908]

The one thing that bugs me is the not stuffing of the second MCI incident. Why would he just kill a bunch of kids and leave them out in the open?

[@AmbrosiaMooshine]

Yo this is an amazing video I loved it - :)

[@VaguelyRowlet]

Great theory!

[@Taro_Yanada]

I guess this is the best way to have the best of both theories in one... BUT... this is nothing new. I've been hearing this same thing so long ago that it's tiring. I think EVERY WillStuff believer says the same things you do, that William stuffed the kids and Puppet just helped them possess the animatronics. You actually make it make more sense. The deviation of TFC's MCI is, I think, the best way to make it happen in the game with... enough accurateness to TFC. However, I still have some questions. How did novel William know that he had to kill the kids IN the suits to cause possession, and game William didn't? They went to the MCI with very similar (limited) knowledge about possession, so why did they not do the same thing? Is the fact that Puppet "bound the kids' souls" to the suits presented anywhere? I mean, in the books, as you said, Afton assures that dying within the suits is what bind their souls to the suits, so why would Puppet have that power? To my knowledge, that is just a made-up explanation that many WillStuffers use, but, was it presented in any canon source?

[@Kirke910]

No idea about the difference in William’s knowledge about possession between media. But in the story Alone Together, they show that a person can roam and not even know they are dead until they find their body. So I think what really happens in give gifts is Charlie shows the kids spirits their bodies and it’s allows them to have their memories and fully possess the suits. A bit different from what this video presents but it makes sense with the established rules of the universe. Also makes sense if they were killed outside of the suits and then the bodies hidden right after.

[@Ben-zg8xk]

Tfc is irrelevant in terms of puppet stuffed as puppet doesn’t exist in that universe

[@Taro_Yanada]

@@Ben-zg8xk I agree, but the point he's making is that TFC says that the kids were bound to the suits bc they died inside them. I agree that using those books (and the movie) is not the best argument. But Puppet not stuffing the kids in that continuity is not the point he's discussing.

[@Legend15St]

I like this theory! It definitely brings up some valid points in my book. And, yeah, there better be some clarification on if the books are in the same continuity as the games.

[@24Ippo]

Not long ago, one of the things that I've never thought about it is the fact that the puppet was already sentient. This would explain how did it manages to reach Charlie's body and tried to save her. That being said, I still believe the first victim hasn't showed up yet. PS: Your conclusion is pretty much what the theorists has concluded so far in the groups. Good for recap but it's not your theory though

[@Herr_Schindler]

I believe it could be explained by the fact that it was Henry who created the Puppet. You know, the same dude whose grief and love for his murdered daughter were so strong and powerful that they gave life to robot replicas of Charlotte. I think Henry's love for Charlotte while creating this animatronic to protect her possesed it in some way (not like Charliebots that were pretty much alive and sentient), making it follow Henry's intentions to protect his daughter to the point where the Puppet was willing to go outside the building in the rain, crawling to Charlotte with such determination. Also I find it kinda poetic and bittersweet since Henry said that no one was their to comfort Charlie, being unaware that the reason why Puppet embraced and tried to save her was his love. In a way, it was him who comforted his daughter that night.

[@24Ippo]

@@Herr_Schindler I'm not sure about it, based on the books yes It seems Henry managed to build the Puppet but it would be too simple and Scott doesn't like it so I expect a more complicated answer because this is FNAF lore

[@Herr_Schindler]

@@24Ippo what? Henry definitely build the Puppet. He's the robotics guy, not William. He created the springlock suits, the original animatronics, William used his technology to create Funtimes and so much more. He's the animatronic genius and there's no denying it

[@justice8718]

@@Herr_Schindler Fnaf 2 showcases Edwin’s technology. Fnaf 1 showcases William’s technology. Fnaf 6 showcases Henry’s technology. And strangely enough, Henry’s technology is far more linked to the Funtime Animatronics and the devices in the sister location (control shocks and tapes), especially with how Lefty is designed a lot like the Sister Location animatronics that lost some of their original and more playful features that William intended them to have (Baby has an air hose but no helium tank to make them work), in exchange for more suspicious and dangerous technologies. Funtime Freddy was built by William, but that imagery of Bonbon being a puppet in Freddy’s hand doesn’t exactly sell the idea that William thinks he is the one in control of them and how they will be. The way William acts to Elizabeth feels so powerless, like he’s unable to disclose and warn her about what is wrong about these animatronics without ruining himself. Fnaf world update 2 outright has the creator feel miserable about creating them and getting critically injured for daring to speak up about them. Considering that William Afton is based on Nolan Bushnell, he could actually be the update 2 creator himself and survived the attempted assassination.

[@Rose_Haw]

2:29 no. that's clearly not what Scott means by the word "retcon".

[@I_Pizza]

22:24 welp

[@Wizardjones69]

the children were stuffed ALIVE "Um... now that wouldn't be so bad if the suits themselves weren't filled with crossbeams, wires, and animatronic devices, especially around the facial area. So you could imagine how having your head forcefully pressed inside one of those could cause a bit of discomfort... ..and death. Uh, the only parts of you that would likely see the light of day again would be your eyeballs and teeth when they pop out the front of the mask, heh." and what is said on the fourth closet? "how they died?"-jessica "inside the suits, their bodies were bound, along with their souls"-william afton the third fnaf 1 article matches with phone guy description when be stuffed into a suit the fnaf 1 allucinations (especially freddy) show him with human eye balls, the children were stuffed and died inside the suits, not knife to kill them the fnaf 1 third article could be refering that they have seen eye balls and human teeth inside the 4 animatronics characters, with also blood around the mouth and eyes + the horrible smell inside the suits now, why would he do that? to test if possesion works after elizabeth death, he tried to recreate what happened with his daughter they found the bodies later on, with the complains about the smell, but afton already changed his name to "dave miller" so that the police don't caught him and, GGGL would mean that the puppet shows the kids that now they are the animatronics, not more human beings, and that some adult killed them 5:24 not really, this could be connected with the safe room, the pizza party location is behind the stage, the safe room is pretty much at the other side on the bathroom, and into the pit also features a party room, the same one from pizza party

[@MOONWOLF7395]

The way I always saw it, it's both. To me, William stuffed the kids' bodies into the suits possessing the suits, but the kids do not remember how they died and listen to William bc he's an adult. The puppet gives them back their memories and consciousness (gifts) and giving them their life's back. Now, with their memories back and their own consciousness, they then attack every adult they see in search of revenge on the one who truly did it, William.

[@Tubular1845]

Retcon isn't some dirty word. Literally everything from just adding context to events that already happened to changing the events that happened is a retcon. It's not inherently bad.

[@catelynh1020]

I know it's a silly idea, but it would be kind of cool if the animatronics react badly and do their killing, then have an "oh shit" moment where they try to do what gave them life, which was to stuff the body into the suit. Then it could still be the puppet using the fact that the puppet being near their corpse gave them new life tried to do the same to the other kids, but then regretted doing so as the others were much stronger to react and couldn't help themselves when they come across someone who reminds them of their death.

[@mushroom_gal490]

I really like "BothStuffed" or whatever you'd call this narratively, but my biggest problem with it is... where did William stuff the kids in the suits? If he killed the kids in the back room, which the animatronics cannot enter, did he just... push them in there? Or did he carry the kids out of the room and put them in the suits elsewhere? If so, how is there zero visible evidence of him moving child corpses around to indicate that the kids are more than missing? Edit: this is an issue I have with any variation of WillStuffed, not just this one. That being said, there's so much other evidence supporting it

[@Dapickle12]

Aperently fnaf 2 comes before fnaf 1? From what I have heard. So the puppet could have stuffed the kids but idk

[@aidanmcguire3160]

OK IM ONLY AT 4:47 so it might be later in the video but what if since glitchtrap is only mimicing Afton, what if its setting up the suits and stuffing you in bc thats what it SEEMS like william did, like the public wouldn't know the puppet stuffed them, not the killer

[@zeldafan6124]

Clearly they stuffed themselves

[@electricrampageOG]

William hid the bodies.... he stuffed them

[@shantishan1172]

I agree with ur conclusion , makes far more sense than willstuff and puppetstuff, btw sire squawks also came to the same conclusion as you, you should watch his video about puppetstuff.

[@blackbonnieiscool]

Can we look at the BTS. Cuz its more funnny to see him freaking out in the end lol

[@Celtic1020]

12:41 Okay let me guess, they weren't in contact when they died unlike Baby or crying child.

[@UltimateBeanz]

Are you immense or is your belly immense? 🤔

[@Nagatem]

Maybe they both stuffed at the same time?

[@emanuel585]

She's such a girlboss

[@kingsnowyreal]

What if the MCI just did that

[@MrKing-zf6dn]

I think he's right cuz the people who broke into the pazzier in fnaf movie her half was bitten off into the suits and never possef it

[@ManyMonstersMedia]

Absolutely agree what I thought too!!!!!!

[@8-BitAnt]

What’s the song at 15:21?

[@Bluecheesemario]

I did

[@rad1165]

William hide the body in the animatronics that why they couldn't find them

[@jakoballan8943]

Wait there was an option of the puppet

[@tomorrowmess]

real

[@yourmajestysilveroftherats4609]

If the books are cannon Into the pit is not about the mci, the mci A. had 5 kids not 6 B. did not take place all at once C. has a blue rabbit not purple. Now, minigame colors are inconsistent and very annoying but if we exclude the fact that for some fucking reason in that minigame and that minigame alone toy bonnie is purple, this is the dci. I strait don't believe the books are cannon, but if your going there, don't lie or imply that the graphic novel added an extra kid to make your point sound better.

[@tomkubus]

Both the graphic novel, main story and game tell us it's 6 kids in Itp, also UCN and security breach confirmed the MCI has 6 dead kids, not 5

[@yourmajestysilveroftherats4609]

@@tomkubus what the hell are you on about

[@tomkubus]

@@yourmajestysilveroftherats4609 the books and games confirm there are 6 MCI kids, not 5, it was very obviously retconned, especially since Scott said he's done 3 retcons since Fnaf 6 in the dawko interview (which happened shortly after UCN came out)

[@Wizardjones69]

@@tomkubus not really, andrew was killed on 1985 but it was not reported on the incident, thats why he appeared on the ballpit and its implied that he was killed before susie

[@yourmajestysilveroftherats4609]

@@tomkubus Am I being hazed? Is this hazing? This isn't a thing. Even if the books are cannon (they are not and I will stand by that) that still isn't a thing. The mci has always been 5 children. The puppet is often grouped with the mci on things like gravestones? Maybe that's what your talking about? She's not part of the mci though. Andrew? He's never mentioned in the games so your mystery evidence couldn't have been about him. Him being part of the mci is completely against his entire character regardless. Into the pit is the dci or isn't game cannon and regardless the video implied the graphic novel got the number of children wrong so the theory sounded better.

[@Bigbuckbun]

i think william afton killed them and the puppet stuffed them and gave them life

[@saltythegamer67]

wow