Did the "Unwithered" Animatronics Ever Really Exist? (FNAF Theory)

[@ivebenhere1843]

I always assumed it was just a design change for the sake of it. The Withereds where designed very early in the franchise; probably before Scott realized people were over analyzing every inch of his game.

[@rengraphics_]

Imo, this isn't the case. From what we see in FNAF's lore storytelling I think it's become obvious that Scott does not include things for mere cosmetic value, he still always has the lore very clearly in mind. Saying that there exists no Iunwithered version of the withered animatronics is a bit like saying that the withereds are just the FNAF 1 animatronics, but ruined and broken. Hence, that FNAF 2 takes place in the timeline after FNAF 1. This is hardly plausible. The use of original designs for the withered animatronics was instead, most likely at least, a way for Scott to make players realize that they do not come from the Freddy's location in FNAF 1, but from another location, a different one, which we haven't gotten to see. It's not a coincidence that FNAF 2 is when Fredbear's Family Diner was first introduced into the canon. This idea is further proven by the fact that FNAF 2 also has the "Give cake to the children" mini game, in which Charlotte is killed. If you assume that the murder of Charlie took place at the first Freddy's location, with the unwithered animatronics, this ends up making even more sense in the context of storytelling. Scott's intention was to introduce us to the concept of q previous, earlier Freddy's location, and do to that he decided to give the main crew different designs.

[@princedonovaughn1182]

​@rengraphics_ I think you're giving Scott far to much credit here. Every fnaf game he has ever done it includes the same character features design changes most of the time for the sake of it. Why does Golden Freddy look different between fnaf 1 and 2 when the suit isn't being used anymore? To fit the withered asthetic. Why is springtrap in a completely different shape and build? Because Scott wanted it that way. Why does GF sometimes have purple accents but other times black? Why are there two funtime Foxy's within the canon when only one is within the funtime brand and Mangle can clearly not actually be the same Funtime Foxy because that would break the timeline? There's a reason sure and the reason is Scott thinks they look cool and that's pretty much it.

[@Razzberry_dollz]

@@rengraphics_now he dose but not early on

[@Razzberry_dollz]

@@princedonovaughn1182mostly agree but purple is fredbear black is golden freddy

[@ivebenhere1843]

@@rengraphics_ I'm saying at the time there was no lore reason. Maybe that's changed in recent years but I doubt he had that much of the in mind for the second game. Also not sure why the withereds being the same as the classics but withered would mean that fnaf 2 comes after the 1st

[@TheCubicalwar]

There's another piece of evidence that was missed. The trailer for fnaf 3 shows the classics seeing shadow Freddy with Bonnie's eye moving slightly, this signifies that the animatronics in the Follow Me minigame were in fact the classics.

[@cly7894]

insanity

[@wastoxic]

What the fuck is this comment section

[@AlienRino]

@@wastoxicTheororizing? Idk wtf you expected. And if you’re talking about shitty grammar and straight up nonsense, it’s children. Interacting with a children’s franchise will do that to a comment section.

[@PDD555]

​@@wastoxic the fuck you mean

[@kubaxterg9994]

????? But this happend after fnaf1 anyway, how does this matters what??

[@TricBrosStudios]

Best piece of evidence I can see for them being the same animatronics that Scott just altered for artistic reasons: The kids died in 1985, and in FNaF 2 we see the puppet bringing the animatronics to life with the souls of the kids. And in those cutscenes, the animatronics are their FNaF 1 models. But in the gameplay, they are the withereds. This just means that the animatronics are the same throughout games, FNaF 1 just shows them fixed and FNaF 2 shows them… well broken like the trailer says they are. They are one and the same.

[@epicvsco777]

The withereds were specifically noted as being retrofitted before they were given up on and replaced by the toys, explaining why their design would be different to the classic designs. This was explained in the FNaF 2 phone calls; “by now I’m sure you’ve noticed the older models, sitting in the back room. Uh, those are from the previous location, we just use them for parts now. The idea at first was to repair them. Uh, they even started retrofitting them with some of the newer technology. But they were just so ugly, you know? And the smell…ugh. Uh, so the company decided to go in a whole new direction, and make them super kid-friendly.”

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

You are making a somewhat forced interpretation. Ralph just said that they adapted them to one of the newer technologies, which is very different from a remodel.

[@epicvsco777]

@ ah yes the ugly new technologies.

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

@@epicvsco777 New technologies: Endo02, Facial Recognition, only.

[@epicvsco777]

@ I didn’t say they didn’t install them with newer technologies, I merely stated that new technology wouldn’t make them “ugly”

[@noodleman4555]

I think the simple answer for into the pit that a lot of people aren't considering is that they could just be neither. I just assume the devs designed the characters they way the personally wanted them to be for their game.

[@angelolim9307]

Nice point! Tbh, I think everybody is just over analyzing the unwithered designs People also point out that the Plushies from fnaf 2-4 are based of the classics. To me it doesn’t really make sense because the toy animatronics where shown in fnaf 4 as little figurines despite the fact the toys weren’t created yet. Some design are older than the actual animatronics, a good example is the toy animatronics being based of of the fnaf 4 Figurine sprites.

[@WitchCecelia]

I agree with this. Especially with Into the Pit being produced by a whole other company than any other FNAF game, it would make sense that they would be given a little artistic interpretation. Not to mention ITP is the first game in the series to be in the HD-2D art style

[@Browhatisyoudoing]

So uh another thing Apparently, in secret of the mimic, there are Fnaf 1 animatronic parts a.k.a. parts of the classics so Yeah, the unwithered might be cooked

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

Sources?

[@Browhatisyoudoing]

@@gabrielvitor-pj5hh from people who played the secret of the mimic demo

[@kashveltri5092]

At this point, personally, I think that the original 1985 animatronics were just mixes of the Withereds and the Classics. Or basically, just the Classics with upper teeth with other minor design inconsistencies that the Withereds have, with their endoskeletons also following that same logic. It's the most satisfying explanation in my opinion and is mostly what ITP did. Then in 1986 87 or something they were retrofitted into the Withereds, got abandoned, then after The Bite of 87, they removed their upper teeth to make sure a fatal incident like The Bite of 87 would never happen again.

[@Hamburger8079]

…except for Foxy, but he’s out of order so it doesn’t really matter

[@frederickwillis4924]

Ok listen, the bite of 87 isn't Fredbear (if that's what you mean the 8 bit minigame bite) it's mangle. The Withereds were Unwithered after the bite of 83. But then the murders happened. Then the Unwithereds started to stink, then used them for parts to make the toys. After the toys were abandoned, the Withereds were reused due to budget cuts and became the classics. What he meant by vintage look is from the commercials.

[@scottstephens5442]

I just think Scott doesn't really put that much thought into with design he uses, he just makes things like sprites and I think expects the fandom will make up their own headcanon for any mistakes his less-controlled way of creating has caused. I think this can also apply to the various different Spring Bonnies and Fredbears we seen through the years. I always point to the fact that springtrap had a mussel that was the same colour as the rest of his head, but after FNAF world and 3rd party artists mixing that game's Spring Bonnie with springtrap, Scott has just adopted that design. TLDR, I don't think he puts that much thought into it and sees his games as being up for interpretation for smaller details such as animatronic designs.

[@azimuddin1890]

I have to agree, but I don’t think Scott thinks the fandom would do that, maybe?

[@scottstephens5442]

@@azimuddin1890 Idk, I just think he doesn't put much thought into design consistency mainly

[@0Xmoon_pandaX0]

I had come to believe that the withereds were the original crew involving the missing children incident, then used for parts for the new and improved FNaF2 Cast; later leading to what we see in 1997 from FNaF 1.

[@Elmolalayes]

Yes, I believed and maybe still believe, we still have to see the movie designs, that the unwithereds were in 1983-1985, they were decomissioned and used for parts in 1987, after the toy animatronics were scrapped the withereds got fixed into the FNAF 1 animatronics in the 1990s in hope to reopen freddy's

[@scribblecloud]

idk why its such a point of contention. Theyre old versions of the same characters. Animatronics go through design changes. This is even mentioned in the week before book, where its pointed out that the spare heads in the backstage area have slightly different designs, not to mention phone guy remarking about the animatronics having different designs i also think that into the pit is just a unique artstyle, the imagery in it isnt meant to be taken 100% literal, the same goes for a lot of fnaf content

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

1- Phone Guy calls in FNAF 2 confirm that the Withereds came first. In one, he comments on the bad smell, which could be from the missing children. Regardless of whether you believe in MCI85 or '83, MCI occurred when Freddy's was booming and successful, it occurred at the first Freddy's, where the Withereds came from. Considering the idea that the Classics came first, the bodies remained hidden in them and not in the Withereds, as shown in FNAF 2. And no, it doesn't make sense for them to simply take the bodies of the Classics kids and put them in the Withereds during a renovation. 2- In another call, Phone Guy talks about Foxy and Mangle. He says the first one was pretty scary, and then they reworked it to be more friendly, thus Mangle. He treats it as the second version of Foxy, according to theory, it would be the third version, and the first version being Classic Foxy. There simply isn't room for Classic Foxy in this call, he was clearly considering Withered Foxy as the first one, especially with the fact that he said the first one was pretty scary. 3- According to the theory, the Withereds would have come later and as a private test, the public would not have the visas, they were not approved and they were never used. However, Unwithered Freddy himself was already introduced as Fazbear's mascot in FNAF 6, showing that YES, they have already been seen by the public and used as official mascots. 4- Design inconsistency is sometimes interesting. In FNAF World, the Classics, the first FNAF animatronics, are precisely more similar to the Unwithereds. Regarding ITP, I don't need to say anything. And, regardless of whether they came before or not, the fact is that the Unwithereds exist, denying them is very stupid.

[@alenaswoodlands]

I feel like "denying them" is a bit of an oversimplification

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

@@alenaswoodlands Well, I've literally seen someone denying their existence.

[@carimeslockdownedtree2654]

I am confused about your comment since this video is about the _un_ withereds, not the withereds themselves. Did you mean the same thing, just under that name instead?

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

@@carimeslockdownedtree2654 Yep

[@-THE-CHICKENMAN]

By “denying them,” the creator is pointing out the fact that the unwithered versions of the animatronics are likely the same thing as the fnaf 1 animatronics, and what we thought was a difference was really just a style/visual error.

[@ArrowLightRROfficial]

Good theory but I have a counter of how they can be consistent. They could have started with the classics at the first Freddy fazbear's Pizza, but after the missing children incident, at some point realistically they had to have found the bodies, and knowing Fazbear Entertainment, will try to cover it up rather than reporting it (and Afton probably wouldn't let them report it anyway.) So they replaced the classics with the unwithereds, and took the CPUs out of the classics and put them into the unwithereds (which is why they are possessed by the MCI kids.) then after Freddy fazbear's closed, they of course used the withereds for parts, but when FNAF 2s location failed, and they reopened again with the FNAF 1 location, they restored the classics and took the CPUs out of the withereds and put them back into the classics.

[@ArrowLightRROfficial]

This would also partially explain why despite the fact FNAF 2 is a prequel, the endoskeleton is called Endo O2 instead of endo 01

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

The problem is that, as indicated by a link in FNAF 2, the Withereds also had bodies.

[@Wizardjones69]

@@gabrielvitor-pj5hh they only had the smell, since the smell would still be on them after they remove the bodies from the classics pre retrofit

[@Joshchive]

canon answer: it doesn't actually matter

[@SparklingJam]

Here’s my theory The original unwithereds existed till the mci then they became withered but after the bite of 87 they were repaired back into the unwithereds but purple guy butchered them leading to a complete rebuild into the classics

[@Valox]

The fact the 'classics' looked the way they did in the original location of 1985 was pretty much proven in 'the week before' by Ralph, aka phone guy. - I've been saying this as a theory for so long, with a hefty amount of people strongly disagreeing with me until recently where more evidence has surfaced. Feels like a relief now, lol.

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

It wasn't actually confirmed, Ralph's speech in relation to Freddy is very interpretative.

[@tyronemclean7792]

Okay hear me out. 1983: Classic Design 1984 or 1985: Freddy is redesigned 1986: Bonnie, Chica and Foxy are also redesigned in preparation for a new restaurant. 1987: Plans change and parts are taken from them to create the Toy animatronics 1990s: They are restored back to there classic designs

[@Enzantix]

I was thinking the same thing. If the unwithereds didn't exist, then they had to have been originally created for the fnaf 2 restaraunt. (sorry for my spelling errors)

[@Super_E-YT]

but uhh wasn't freddy fazbears pizza in the lore in 1985 NOT 1983 OR 1984

[@Super_E-YT]

@@Enzantix yea but thats kinda lazy but ok that might be true

[@tyronemclean7792]

@@Super_E-YT Faz-coins show that Fazbear Entertainment was founded in 83. Meaning even tho Fredbears was open in 83, Classic Freddy would have had to exist in this year for the name to be Fazbear. That’s assuming Frebbears full name isn’t Fredbear Fazbear

[@tyronemclean7792]

@@Super_E-YT 85 was just the year of the MCI, Freddy’s was likely open for years before hand to be as popular as it was

[@Mazinkaiser_Studios]

I mean... This "mystery" was very easy to figure out already with fnaf 2 and 3, its a reopening of an older restaurant and they were using these models in the first Freddy's that we know about (which makes sense because phone guy calls them the older models and a reopening, "the new and improved" The other inconsistencies could be explained with minor mistakes Scott made, for example spring Bonnie has had some odd changes too

[@Wizardjones69]

1979-1985: classics + captain foxy 1987: withereds post retrofit, they dismantled the classics to implement the upgrades from endo 02, but they became uglier on the process and were left unfinished 1992: withereds reverted to the classics now with foxy out of order since he made the bite of 87

[@HappyFrogRender6502]

How can you tell he made the bite of 87

[@Wizardjones69]

@@HappyFrogRender6502 why would he be out of order why nightmare foxy have the numbers "87" on his eyes why would foxy have his rarescreen instead of mangle why would his jumpscare be the only one from the trailer

[@HappyFrogRender6502]

@@Wizardjones69 He malfunctioned. Originally, the bite of FNaF 4 was the 1987 one his eyes would tease the date the end of nights minigames take place. IDK why does Toy Bonnie have a rare screen? Simply because that is the jumpscare Scott chose (Don't over analize) Also technically there is no proof that FNaF 1 takes place in the 90's (Tough it might take place there) (And no there is also no evidence that FNaF 3 takes place in 2023)

[@Wizardjones69]

@@HappyFrogRender6502 >Originally, the bite of FNaF 4 was the 1987 one his eyes would tease the date the end of nights minigames take place. scott isn't that dumb to confuse his own lore since fnaf 2 says that fredbear's closed *years* before 1987 and on the source code it has 1983 + 1987 fnaf 1 paycheck matches the minum wage from 1990-1996 and with fnaf 2 paycheck giving a actual year and day it puts fnaf 1 on 1992 toy bonnie could have a rarescreen to represent the save them kids possesing the toys withered foxy jumpscare is right on the head, the frontal lobe animatronics malfunctioning is normal, it doesn't make sense for one error put him on "out of order" fnaf 1 was supposed to be scott's last game, so foxy would 100% do the bite

[@HappyFrogRender6502]

@@Wizardjones69 BUT FNaF 1 wasn't his last game so it is posible that Scott changed it, and in the novel trilogy, the bite doesn't seem to have occured, and still Foxy is out of order. (They might not be in the same continuity but the novels give info about eventos that happened in the games) And there is technically no info saying the Toys are haunted

[@jeremymorris345]

This theory is very long but this video inspired me so I wanted to put it out there. I think the answer is a bit more complicated because there is evidence point to them being completely different but there is also potential evidence to them being somewhat the same. 1. FNAF 2 phone calls despited the OG 4 as originally looking kinda scary and smelled bad. Implying that they originally looked like the Fixed Withereds. Plus, theses were the designs at the 1985 pizzeria and MCI. 2. Next FNAF 2 happens in 1987. The Withereds are used to make the Toys. This is likely when the bodies would have been removed from the Withered. We know after the bite of '87 happens the Toys are scarped and a new smaller opening will happen. 3. At this point I believe that FNAF 1 opened, follow me then happens, but then the animatronics are remade. And we know this has to be the case for multiple reasons. - Phone Guy was alive to announce that the safe rooms were being sealed. This means William had to have performed the events of follow me and died before Ralph died in FNAF 1. - In Help Wanted we see 4 Endoskeletons in a burner. What is notable is they are the Endo 01 designs but we see Withered Bonnies face. Normally, Withered Bonnie uses an Endo 02 Endoskeleton. Which means at some point Withered Bonnie started using an Endo 01 Endoskeleton. Likely in the transition from FNAF 2 to FNAF 1. This would explain why in Follow Me the animatronics have the Withereds buttons, unlike there FNAF 1 designs. - Another notable detail, in FNAF 3 we see the box of the scrapped Toys. And in it we also see Withered Foxy's Endo 02 arm. This makes sense as I believe the Withereds were remade into Endo 01 models that would have be burned to make the Funtimes. Presumably this arm would have been leftover parts. We also see FNAF 1 models seperate from FNAF 2 models in FNAF 3 further showing they are different. - This would also explain the "soul splitting". I believe that the souls were connected to not only the Endoskeletons but also the shells of the animatronics. Endo 02s were transformed into the Endo 01s and turned into the Funtimes. However, the shells were still there in the FNAF 1 location where we see the spirits manifest. 4. Then The Week Before happens. Ralph (phone guy) mentioned the animatronics are now back to there "classic" designs. Now I personally interpret this as they aren't using the Toys anymore. However, there could be another way to explain this. We know Golden Freddy has two designs, the Withered one and the more classic look. In FNAF 4, we actively know multiple Fredbears and Springbonnies exist thanks to the back stage. We also know that these characters along, and potentially the OG 4 exist simultaneously at different locations because of the FNAF 3 phone calls. Maybe at one location the animatronics look more like FNAF 1 and others look like FNAF 2. This would explain why Into the Pit is a different location to anything we have seen before and why they look more like the classics despite FNAF 2 implying the Withereds were stuffed. It would also explain why the classics in FNAF 1 came to look like that despite originally looking like FNAF 2 models. They just got cheap and grabbed the old shells from another location. Now what does this mean for Fredbear/Golden Freddy? UCN seems to imply that Withered Golden Freddy is Classic looking Fredbear. Does this break the theory? The Fredbear that bit Dave (Crying Child) always looked more like a Withered to me but UCN potentially imply it might have been a classic design. Then we know from FNAF 2 that the Withereds were stuffed so presumably Cassidy is in Withered Golden Freddy. Now the Springlock suits were retired after a springlock failure incident occurred at an unnamed sister location. This was likely the Bite of '83 as the Springlock suits don't seem to be used after this point and Into the Pit shows Golden Freddy not being used in 1985. This means that Wither Golden Freddy would have never been repaired with a Endo 01 but we see a fixed classic Golden Freddy in FNAF 1 and it's haunted. We know from the Week Before that the animatronics can make you seen things in your mind that aren't there. (its illusion disks all over again). So it's likely that what is actually Withered Golden Freddy is just chooseing to appear as his classic self. Potentially to draw a connection with Dave (Bite Victim) who was bit by the OG suit. This would also explain the classic Golden Freddy at the end of UCN, it's appearing in that form to torture William. As for the classic looking Golden Freddy in Into the Pit. I don't think that one is haunted at all though it is potentially the same one that bit Dave (CC). That's why it doesn't do anything. 5. People have pointed out that Scraptrap looks like he added parts from Withered Golden Freddy. In the process, connecting his soul to the Vengeful Spirit to explain how UCN can happen. This is why I believe that Withered Golden Freddy is seperate from the unhaunted classic looking Golden Freddy. 6. Ok, last point. Fnaf World shows the classic Freddy, Golden Freddy, Fredbear, and Springbonnie with buttons, but not regular Bonnie for some reason. I really don't know why? If Bonnie had buttons it could make sense but he doesn't. People have tried to say that Scott designed Fredbear first and Freddy is a recolor. However, classic Fredbear also doesn't have buttons according to FNAF 4 and his UCN model. Also that doesn't explain why Golden Freddy has buttons if it's a different model.

[@xaviervalencia9296]

Another example of a design change with no lore is in the Mega Man Zero series. Zero and Omega Zero look the same as each other even though Omega Zero has Zero’s original body. You would think that this would make him look like Zero in the X series, but he doesn’t and that’s because it’s an art style change.

[@Browhatisyoudoing]

Also another argument for point for the unwithered not existing is the silver eyes trilogy In the silver eyes Fnaf 2 basically doesn’t exist However, the animatronics were always the classics in the 80s and 1995

[@alenaswoodlands]

@@Browhatisyoudoing True. I'm always scared to point to the novels because it makes people angry

[@user39728]

Silver eyes isn't canon tho

[@Browhatisyoudoing]

@@user39728 that doesn’t matter? The silver eyes is what the Fnaf timeline could’ve been if things happen differently In the universe we’re there’s no Fnaf 2 there’s still the classics. This means the classics are the originals and the withered are exclusive to the Fnaf 2 location

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

@@Browhatisyoudoing Even so, the trilogy is not part of the games, and Scott already said not to use them for theory.

[@Browhatisyoudoing]

@@gabrielvitor-pj5hh 1. Scott said that back when the first book came out and that’s not the case anymore. 2. The trilogy is still connected to the game stuff like William and Henry’s relationship in Molten MCI concept came from that The fact that they’re the classics when the MCI happens is something to point out Also it’s also a thing in the movie as well where the kids are stuffed in the classics

[@Autumn_Actually]

Great video! I wonder why the Guide book keeps pointing out the Withereds are so different, and why Withered Foxy’s hook hand is in the FNAF3 Toy box (implying they were scrapped at the same time). I guess we'll learn the truth when the movie comes out next December!

[@alenaswoodlands]

True. In the wise words of the character encyclopedia, "He's in a worse state than Withered Foxy, as his hook hand has gone astray... and in FNaF3 his hook hand has gone astray."

[@Autumn_Actually]

@@alenaswoodlands I may not know much, but I'm pretty sure in FNAF3, Withered Foxy's hook hand has gone astray.

[@Luckyentertainment79]

2:33 my theory for this is that since into the pit Freddy is just made of agaony I think the agaony got confused and switched in between Freddys

[@azimuddin1890]

Hmm, disagree. the Agony was created in 1985, and F.N.A.F.1 is a different location (maybe?). The Agony would only know the 1985 designs.

[@UltraNP]

​@@azimuddin1890I always thought that the 1985 location and the FNAF 1 location was the same place

[@overlord2004]

People keep overreacting about a theories stuff and throw bad words to each other lol😂😂😂 Wake up the OG fans, don’t let the anger take your mind. If u have two possible decisions, only kids will choose one of them In short to explain this theory: Classic (1983-1985) -> Unwithered/Retrofitting (1987) -> Withered (1987) -> Classic(1993-1995) 1)In FNAF:FFPS, we can see unused logo of Freddy Fazbear’s pizzeria in FNAF 2 before they use Toys to replace Retrofitting Animatronics 2)They have used Retrofitting Animatronics and that’s reason why Fazbear Entertainment knows these Animatronics are not friendly for kids so they spend small fortune to build Toys from some part of Retro one. 3)Classic (1983-1985) and Classic (1993-1995) are not same Animatronics, just same type of Animatronics. We can’t find any dead body inside them when we play Help Wanted 4)Ralph hates Retrofitting Animatronics bc of their unfriendliness look.

[@alenaswoodlands]

I don't see too many attacks on others here, but when I do, I make sure to delete them.

[@someuser32498]

I think the unwithereds were still the originals, they look too vintage whereas the fnaf 1 designs look more modern, retrofitting them wouldn't completely change their appearances too

[@kodawanberg6887]

In the Week Before, Night 2 has a scene where you have to survive Foxy with a Flashlight and a Freddy Mask. Sound Familiar?

[@shinymk6562]

It honestly makes a lot of sense that they would be redesigning the classics into the withereds to fit the new endoskeletons, until they went back on their decision and reverted them, classic endos and all

[@Cass0wary_399]

It would make more sense if they did, but alas they don’t so it’s a Scraptrap situation where the designs mysteriously changes.

[@Wizardjones69]

@Sonicmid i don't see how you can change your entire body structre

[@jojoman6971]

@Sonicmid afton went from being a few flesh strings on spring bonnie's endo in fnaf 3 to having an actual skeleton in fnaf 6, bones don't magically grow

[@princedonovaughn1182]

​@Sonicmid imho if you don't give your audience a reason for it making sense and it only exists within your mind as the creator,then it doesn’t exist truly until you add it as text. And I doubt by now he'll go back and actually give a reason considering his answer to the box (which was something fans cared alot about was) "I don't really care about it anymore"

[@justice8718]

@Sonicmid Because it isn’t truly controlled by William Afton, Scraptrap couldn’t maintain his burnt body or build it nicely. A similar situation as “into the pit”.

[@PDD555]

​@@jojoman6971 in fnaf3 the bones did not show as they wouldnt be seen

[@Yesyes54894]

I've always personally hated the unwithereds because they always complicated the timeline. I just personally like the single mci theory (unwithereds *could* work if they were unpossessed and just had some messed up infrastructure like the toys)

[@matthewfoster2112]

here's the current timeline of the main 4 (plus golden freddy and mr. cupcake) that makes the most sense. Fallfest: They are mascot suits, like the ones you'd see in Disney. Mimic Origins: Edwin is sent the costume suits, tasked with making them compatible with the new endoskeletons developed by William and Henry. these are essentially the classics but with very minor changes seen in ITP. Ive dubbed these the vintage animatronics. Before FNaF 2: Fazbear ent decides to retrofit the animatronics with newer technology and new outer shells but they turn out ugly so they are scrapped. I call them the retrofitted. FNaF 2: The retrofitted animatronics are used for parts to make the toys and become the withereds. FNaF 1: The withered were kept in hopes of opening another location (which turned out to be the 1985 location). They reuse the vintage designs used back in 1985 with small changes that make them the classic designs that are so iconic today. Follow Me Minigame: The classics are destroyed by William. William melts down their endoskeletons, extracts their remnant and injects it into the runtimes. (This does not put the souls into the funtimes!) The souls being freed from the animatronics springbuck William. FNaF 3: The remains of the animatronics are found and put up as decoration in Fazbears Fright. They burn down. FNaF SB: The blob does not contain the remains of the actual animatronics. Instead the blob contains the remains of Fazbear Funtime service characters (FNaF AR animatronics)

[@DefinitivamenteNoSoyAaronCraft]

i have my own theory, the withereds look like that because the technicians that were repairing them decided to make new head models, they didn't look good so they just decided to make whole new animatronics, then when they opened the fnaf 1 pizzeria they decided to repair the old masks that existed before the withereds, so they didn't looks like... that

[@overlord2004]

It’s not a theory, Phone Guy confirms that an old Animatronics will get retrofitting and new technology in FNAF 2 But they give up cuz they look so ugly

[@angelolim9307]

This doesn’t really makes sense because if they were retrofitting them with the newer tech, why would they need to make a completely new suit for them? Another thing that doesn’t make sense about this is that the withereds look aged and dirty

[@overlord2004]

@@angelolim9307 There's two reason for it: 1)They convert a chip from Classic to Retrofitting as they want to have new design with better technology *(Think about it, it's a lie. As Phone Guy has mentioned,One of Co-Owner has lefr for a long time so William Afton can take his chance to hide/destroyed Classic animatronics with dead corpse inside them while he still have perfect reason to make Henry trust him)* 2)A soul still possessed a chip and Retrofitting animatronics has been abandoned bc of this reason *(That's reason why Retro animatronics has odor smell cuz of black goo/Agony)*

[@user39728]

I still think the unwithered animatronics are canon, phone guy says in FNAF 2 "Previous models from the old location" and the FNAF 1 designs seem too modern to have been around in the early 80s

[@overlord2004]

@@user39728 1) In FNAF 2, Phone Guy says: “Maybe you’ve recognized the older one,they’re previous model from old location. At first, they’ve plan to fix them but then they start to *retrofitting* them with newer technology but they stop bc those looks so ugly... um... you know... a smell” 2) In the end of FNAF 2, a Newspaper writes: “All of Toys are scrapped for possible function part, we will reopen soon and bring the OGs despite lower budget” 3)In FNAF:The Week Before- a story between FNAF 1 and 2, Ralph (aka Phone Guy) says: “It’s seems like Freddy return to their original look”

[@ClownManJames]

One thing to mention is that in ITP when bonnie turns to look at you, his face is a lot slimmer, which does resemble withered Bonnie's silhouette

[@Takejiro24]

Alternative title for video: *"Character Design Consistency, Scott! Have You Heard Of It????!!!!!"* ☠️

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

Damn, Foxy being tied to the Bite of ‘87 implies either Withered Foxy did the bite or Mangle did the bite. And since the Withereds were in Parts and Service, they can’t even attack anyone meaning it had to be Mangle.

[@Kittens-12]

Short answer: they are shapeshifters

[@Cross_Corp64]

Idk, but Imma get flamed for this- the classics designs are overrated and the Withereds are better than the classics. Aside from that, I think the timeline was more of this: 1983-1985: the classics were made but with the style like the Withereds. So OG Freddy and OG Bonnie had buttons, Foxy was all fixed (and was probably Captain Foxy during his golden age), and OG Chica probably had three toes. 1986-1987: Fazbear got William to refurbish them into a new design but since Willy is evil, he made the characters ugly and creepy. I also think Fazbear used Mimic to clone Endo-2s, which could explain why Withereds and Toys have the same Endo-2s. So the Withereds came but were taken apart so that Fazbear can create cute and friendly looking versions of the characters. (With Toy Foxy, I’m sure they ditched Red Foxy for a Girl Foxy; cuz I believe they were two Foxys during their Golden Era) And with 1988-199X: Fazbear went back to the OGs, but got rid of the Withereds style. Which explains why they don’t got buttons and upper teeth. And you forgot Golden Freddy, which is alright, it’s not that of a big deal. So with Golden Freddy I have my personal timeline: 1983: After the Bite of 83, Fazbear gets rid of the Big Fredbear and William used it for a shell for Nightmare Endo. Henry then creates a new Fredbear mascot (aka CakeBear) 1984: After Charlie’s death caused Fredbear’s to close down, Henry refurbished CakeBear into Golden Freddy, a name used to forget about “Fredbear” So it could be like OG Goldie or UCN Fredbear, but instead had buttons and upper teeth like Withered Goldie. 1986-1987: So into Withered Golden Freddy, but I assume Cassidy ended up getting more agony and had Shadow Freddy/Nightmare lurk along with them. (Which could explain why Goldie appears like a ghost and turn into a giant head) 1988-199X: Back to OG Goldie, but without the Withereds style. Post-Follow Me: I think Goldie would have the same design as Movie’s Goldie. I think ITP’s Fetch minigame implies Golden Freddy is still around. (But hey, feel free to disagree if you don’t believe in MoltenMCI Alter-S) Well, I guess that’s it. That’s probably one of my excuses for “Unwithereds” ngl. But I love the video btw

[@Wizardjones69]

nope, the unwithereds sucks they are unrealistic and made specifically for being creepy and not for a children's restaurant the classics works since they are cute on day light and scary on night time

[@Cross_Corp64]

@@Wizardjones69 Whatever. I was saying that the OG were just like the FNAF 1 animatronics but had some elements like the Withereds- but they still looked like the FNAF 1 designs. Tbf, Unwithereds would be cool since Chuck E Cheese animatronics were creepier from 80s. Like dude, chill… it’s an opinion 🤦‍♂️

[@Wizardjones69]

@@Cross_Corp64 and its goofy for a game stand point have those designs

[@Cross_Corp64]

@@Wizardjones69 Your opinion… They’re honestly scary imo. Just don’t know why you came after me to be a hater

[@PDD555]

Yeah, I like the withered more. I wish we had a canon version of an unwhitered animatronic. They have more cool details

[@lazyinari3410]

This whole unwithered thing had annoyed me back when I was younger and made my own theories, at some point I just figured it was an artistic thing. I do it with my own characters all the time, so what's to say that wasn't Scott's thought process. I wrote this all just to say, I agree with your thoughts.

[@Realtacl]

(Idk if I should put spoilers for The Week Before. But here’s your spoiler warning just in case) I feel like the “vintage animatronic posters” thing could just be how,even if the Unwithereds did exist,the classics are still the same suits as them. Just refurbished for the fnaf 1 location in this case. Thus making them vintage suits/animatronics. As for the “glad they were restored to their classic look” part. He could just glad they didn’t go with the “kid friendlier” brighter color direction the company went with for the toy animatronics. Phone guy did say he always loved those older characters. I mean he’s also implied to lapse in memory throughout the book so there’s also that- Also maybe this is an unpopular opinion but I don’t think the movie necessarily has a say on this matter. I remember seeing a rumor that for movie 2 they’ll just be using the movie 1 costumes but more broken down. While that seems to be false I remember most people’s reactions to that were negative. So i think it only makes sense for movie 2 they’ll use the more iconic designs. Unless they just for some reason make classics and withereds 2 separate entities which would be so funny.

[@SpiderMax03]

For me there are two costumes for each character since the beginning

[@bandusphonechannel879]

Actually the description of when Freddy was just made says his eyes were partially closed like withered Freddy,and that chica was bulky like withered chica and her jaw in fnaf 2 is broken but it could have not been broken then since she was just made,that’s why the description says her jaw is slightly open

[@jeremymorris345]

2:42 Idk, man, that seems like a stretch. They both look like Withered Freddy just at a different angle.

[@adolfpotatoler7624]

Idk about you, but the one on the right doesn't look like Withered Freddy. His cheeks are way too apparent, and his teeth look different, WFs jaw is square shaped, while the classic is kinda rounded

[@miniondoriano]

they did, because we know their parts got used for the toys. + why would fazzbear ent. make broken animatronics when they will never use them to perform?

[@Wizardjones69]

they dismantled the fnaf 1 characters to implement endo 02 parts, but they became uglier thats why they abandoned the idea

[@EnderBoy_11]

Here’s my Headcanon: Fredbear & Spring Bonnie: Springlock suits in the original Fredbear’s Family Diner restaurant Withered Animatronics: “Beta” animatronic designs used in an unnamed restaurant also including Fredbear (Withered Golden Freddy) and Spring Bonnie (Scraptrap) Funtimes: Highly advanced Springlock suits designed to abduct children for Afton’s research on Remnant. Originally used in Circus Baby’s restaurant and later used for rental animatronics. Classics: The definitive “fazgang”. Used in the main restaurants and are the most well known. Toys: The replacements for the now withered animatronics when the unnamed Fredbear & Friends restaurant was rebranded as Jr’s

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

The Unwithereds possibly experimented on Endo-01.

[@MagitaROE]

My theory is Classic 85 -> 1987 Unwithereds scrapped before being fully built -> Withereds -> classics

[@user39728]

The classics didn't exist in 1985

[@MagitaROE]

@@user39728 According to Retrofit theory they did. But its just a theory, I believe Retrofit theory because of the evidence, but I do NOT like the theory. I love the Unwithereds.

[@GabeKadanza]

I think the 2nd movie is going to explore a completely different location and that’s why the withered exist. I think in the movies the fnaf 1 and 2 are separate different characters and not the ogs

[@WitchCecelia]

Honestly the "Withered vs Classics" has always puzzled me. Especially since Classic and Withered Freddy look nearly identical (especially the head lol) 😅

[@MistyWatersss]

Scott didn't put any thought into the story of the series why would anyone think he would put thought into designs. I mean up until Steel Wool took over they changed between every game. Like with Baby and Molten freddy, neither of them stays consistent with the design from sister location, or springtrap. People need to stop giving Scott so much credit he probably just faked it till he made it for 7 games

[@jimmyjackson2393]

I feel like a better example for the withered appearances not being diegetic would’ve been the blushes in the Batman animated series/the new Batman adventures. How between shows a lot of their designs changed with little to no explanation

[@Tinykraken]

At this point the lore has gone so far off the deep end its not even special to me anymore. I miss when it was classic, creepy, and made some sense. I.e: The whithered versions look old because they came first. Large, "realistic", slighlty scary due to tech limits, closely resembling Spring Bonnie and Fredbear. The first version of the classic crew. Then they upgraded, remade the gang into plastic cute toy animatronics, rebranding foxy into a girl making the team more even, 2 boys 2 girls. Obviously they tried upgrading the old models but ended up just using them mostly for parts after the feedback was bad. William does some sus stuff, place closes down, toys are scrapped, old suits are referbished and remade into the Fnaf 1 gang. Slighly smaller but not toy sized, not as cute but definitely an improvement on the first rendition. Family friendly Fazbear and Co. I feel like the story has become lost and too fantastical to even be scary anymore

[@alenaswoodlands]

Yeah I always preferred the idea that you're talking about

[@poopa_stinka]

I mean hey, there’s no reason some locations couldnt have different models of the animatronics. There’s been so many iterations of Chuck E Cheese animatronics irl, the Rockafire show, Adventure Chuck, etc etc. I’m sure how up to date a Freddy’s location is could vary based on budget or other factors, and the Withereds could just be another iteration of the main 4. The withereds could also still be another version of the Fnaf 1 crew, with repurposed parts from one model used for the other. As for which one came first I’m not sure, but Withered Chica being Fnaf 1 Chica could work. Just because her head couldn’t be fnaf 1 chicas, doesn’t mean her body can’t.

[@P-16825]

I love this explanation, that's all i need

[@shutefup6259]

I have a theory, the wither animatronics look like that because it would look the best with the deteriorated features, they were meant to be the original because Cauthen was making the lore along the way.

[@cln1508]

The reason why the plush design might be different in the 8 bit mini-games It's cause we play cc in the 8 bit many games And at night we play as Michael

[@caldo9103]

Not confirmed, the person who plays at Fnaf 4 nights is unknown, if it is cc or Michael, or even that Rory kid from one book

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

@@caldo9103 Man, Logbook and Encyclopedia confirm that Michael and CC experienced FNAF 4 nights.

[@Wizardjones69]

@@gabrielvitor-pj5hh man, encyclopedia confirming that endo 02 came after endo 01

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

@@Wizardjones69 And?

[@caldo9103]

@@gabrielvitor-pj5hh logbook explains that Michael experienced some nights through fnaf 4 or knew how nightmare looked like somehow, but that doesn’t confirm cc didn’t, Rory definitely did and it’s 100% confirmed because his whole character arc is about it, but cc could also experience it

[@GospodinWolf]

It was actually confirmed by The Week Before that FNAF 1 designs are the actual designs for "Unwithereds", so technically, there are no Unwitherdes as animatronics.

[@weewoo5486]

i love the unwithereds as a design but ik its probably unintentional lol. it just visually makes it better to see the pre withereds as blocky and chunky and the classics being a soft reboot.

[@Salt_163]

Idk if it’s true but I heard that the week before had a definitive explanation to the reason why the withered’s look like that.

[@blanktester]

Maybe I'm blind but even staring at the 2 sprites side by side at 2:43, I don't see these "obvious" design differences. I don't see what you mean when you say it's changing designs. Can someone point out to me the specific features I'm supposed to be noticing?

[@Elite_kong]

Too not hurt my brain I will just say there are two different suits that the randomly change over

[@jooj4296]

I actually can't believe this is a discussion point in 2024. Not complaining about your video btw, you did a great job, but it's incredible that people are willing to create the most asinine excuses to validade something that would just be a bad retcon, instead of accepting that as just their personal headcannons

[@alderlopezcastro4928]

I now believe that the withered looked like fnaf 1 in 1985, but as they were fixing them, they changed the designs and stopped because of how ugly they were.

[@jjayggz]

What if the withereds were just prototypes

[@aidanfredbear4859]

welp the week before book basically confirms that No the unwithered animatronics never existed they were always just the classics

[@ezekielwilliams7188]

Asking if the withereds were ever unwithered sounds as weird as asking if a wrecked car was ever NOT wrecked. (no offense)

[@Wizardjones69]

the idea is that they *withered* them to retrofit them with the newer technology, it made them uglier so they were left on a unfinished state

[@GlamBloxs]

I doubt it. Cause in FNaF 2, you'll see on Freddy and Bonnie's tummy have two buttons on them.

[@Jay_Z17]

thats not what the video meant, yes fnaf 2 is so obviously a prequel confirmed by this point, but maybe the fnaf 1 designs were always there since the beginning, then after the dead kids, they decided to change designs? but they revert back to the old designs in fnaf 1

[@DaRealICantThinkOfAUsername]

Theory: since ITP (I’m pretty sure) is non-canon, I think that the designs don’t matter OR they changed the suits, while using the new Endo, they were changing the suit from Withered Foxy to Slightly Less Withered Foxy and that’s why Foxy wasn’t in the game.

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

false, ITP IS canon.

[@5sec2hell81]

They exist we just don’t know what they REALLY looked like

[@Wallnut256]

In Mypopgoes secret ending we get to see the unwithered animatronics

[@azimuddin1890]

Isn’t that non-canon?

[@Wallnut256]

@@azimuddin1890 I think that it’s canon, but just a different *continuity*

[@Wizardjones69]

@@Wallnut256 its a game made by fans that is officially licensed its not canon

[@Wallnut256]

@@Wizardjones69 yeah I know but it’s an official render of the unwithered animatronics

[@Wizardjones69]

@@Wallnut256 and its NOT canon

[@LyfeB4Death]

deeper into the story the withereds were from another restaurant or the tv show i cant remember

[@WhatHeDid_0777]

My timeline has always been Fredbear's Family Diner 1979 - 1983 Golden Freddy, but with non faded hat and bow tie, and fixed Springtrap as Spring Bonnie Freddy Fazbear's Pizza 1983 - 1985 Unwithered animatronics Freddy Fazbear's Pizza 1987 - 1987 Toy animatronics and Unwithereds are used for parts so they become Withered animatronics Freddy Fazbear's Pizza 1988 - 1993 The classic animatronics are just the refurbished Withered animatronics. As for Withered Golden Freddy my speculation is they made multiple Fredbears and Spring Bonnies so they just created non spring lock versions for the 1983 - 1985 Freddy's location.

[@furkanemir5426]

They didnt want to give animatronics detail spoilers

[@funtimefreddyproduction]

so basically: classic (unwithered) > withered > classic (fnaf 1)

[@theamazingadventureofeduardo]

My theory is that Scott wanted an explanation to why the classic animatronics were shifted to the unwithered animatronics, but they were just too ugly for kiddos that they had to salvage what they could from them. They fitted some parts just like the toy animatronics, for example the facial recognition. However, by the time they commissioned the toy animatronics, they had to scrap the old ones and leave them for spare parts. And so phone guy from Fnaf 2 told us About the classic animatronics being refurbished to the unwithered animatronics and then withered animatronics. But that’s just a theory. Although it might be due to consistency errors, but I doubt Scott would’ve not noticed that since he does cared about consistency and yet is all on us to solve many puzzles.

[@terreliv]

7:50 They're *recreations* for *spooky.*

[@VERESDavid]

Well i think those animatronics existed and got withered over time .And in 1993 they built the original models from the first game

[@ImmortalAbsol]

I think they're going to be found at an older location with the Puppet in the second movie.

[@SuperSonicbros4]

Yeah they could exists, just as failed Retrofitted suits the 87

[@SuperSonicbros4]

(It's not like them existing matters anyways)

[@Wizardjones69]

@@SuperSonicbros4 They coudn't since fazbear entertainment dismantled the classics to try to implement endo 02 parts, the retrofit process but they became uglier and they decide to scrap them so they abandoned the withereds in this broken state

[@SuperSonicbros4]

@@Wizardjones69 that was never implied wtf, Fnaf 2 just says that they were retrofitted with new tech. Which leaves the door ambiguous on if that's why they look different or if it's just talking about them having the facial recognition, not what you said

[@Wizardjones69]

@@SuperSonicbros4 the fnaf 2 trailer literally have the words *dismantled* also, how would they retrofit them if theres no place to them put the upgrades since most of the animatronic have the costume on leaving no space to put the upgrades thats why they dismantled them

[@BIGMIKE5858]

But I feel like in this there so different that they can’t be the same in a way the models are physically different. Their Endo are not the same. Their whole likeness is not the same how they built is not the same i get some of these points, but I feel like a little bit of stretch. And the stuff that you’re talking about the inconsistencies of the FNAF one designs mixing with the FNAF2 designs I feel like this also a little bit of stretch.

[@StarryEd1tz]

9:30 1 thing, alot of the books arent canon so that *might* not be canon. KEY WORD: MIGHT

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

Nah, it’s canon since the game ITP is different from the book.

[@strasburgboi]

I have theory where the withered costumes are prototypes and the classics have always been the mains and the reason they're all screwed up like that by 1987 it's cuz they were experimented with for parts and stuff and in 1987 more broken for the installation of all the electronics for the facial detection system because that would explain why in 1993 right when the FNAF 1 location opened why the costumes are already dirty it sounds stupid I know but I think it explains a lot including why fnaf 1 foxy is damaged

[@Efrem-c1b]

This is a nice theory and I like it but I see a few problems. Like the mini games and where the classics have buttons gets debunked when in the mini games toy Bonnie is purple. Also we know fnaf 2 is a prequel to fnaf 1 and that endo 02 and endo 01 are considered 2 different types of endos. And in into the pit things aren’t fully accurate to fnaf’s universe since in the og games the dead kids were never found unlike into the pit were they were found meaning that slight design changes of the animatronics in into the pit does not change the lore

[@Wizardjones69]

endo 01:1979-1985 endo 02:1987/fnaf 2 endo 01:1992/fnaf 1

[@andrewparkhurst340]

Yesthey did after 2 years of the bite of 83

[@azimuddin1890]

Ypu forgot to mention the Freddy puzzle which uses the Classic design, altough he doesn’t have eyebrows.

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

Well, Withered Freddy have eyebrows.

[@azimuddin1890]

@@gabrielvitor-pj5hh That’s not the point, the Freddy there has his Classic design but doesn’t have eyebrows for some reason.

[@НиколайИсраилян]

Gosh, I was thinking I'm the only who saw it

[@G.N.F462]

why do put correct in quotations 4:09 I do don't see how having character have inconstant proportion is good idea at all. Those inconsistences in steven universe are errors by definition, doesn't matter if they are on purpose or not. I mean atleast keep the characters height consistent.

[@br2891]

great video

[@AUSTINVR-gf2hd]

Has anyone ever heard of fnaf lore fredbear and friends

[@CookedTrout]

Fnaf 6 shows unwithered freddy in the like cutscene thingy

[@Wizardjones69]

they rebranded the company after 1985 (also, its a traced art from a pose on fnaf 2 office)

[@CameronF305]

I disagree but well made arguments

[@rebelsrequiem3763]

4:30 whithever 3d model beth fith the sithuation

[@Renna2004]

Staring; Jack Black as withered Freddy

[@RaisinHook]

what the Unwitherds are is an easy way to distinguish the difference between the FNAF 1 location and Freddy & Friends Pizza, everything else including logic doesn't matter in this situation also the Unwitherds are outright seen in MyPopgoes

[@alenaswoodlands]

MyPopgoes is a part of the fanverse

[@RaisinHook]

i know, thats why i was pointing it out, the models exist

[@azimuddin1890]

@@RaisinHook That’s a fan / official game, that doesn’t count.

[@RaisinHook]

how does the interactive novel writen by Scholastic count but not Popgoes

[@azimuddin1890]

@@RaisinHook Cause PopGoes isn’t part of the F.N.A.F game universe.

[@kimball_artist_console_piano]

Yes there is lil bro

[@azimuddin1890]

How? Into the Pit shows they don’t exist.

[@kimball_artist_console_piano]

@@azimuddin1890 Into the pit isn’t necessarily canon to the games.

[@azimuddin1890]

@@kimball_artist_console_piano But that doesn’t mean the idea of the Classics being the Pre-Withereds wouldn’t carry over to other continuities.

[@Meow-n1y]

So they’re real or not??.

[@thatrandomredengine9430]

I honestly don’t care if the second MOVIE does that whole “these designs don’t make sense in context” cause they’re more of less just adapting the games. If Scott just used the first movies designs but withered the entire fanbase would go fucking mental. I would give him slack for that. I won’t give him slack for game lore retcons. The classic animatronics existing in 1985 is completely absurd. Saying the classics became the withered’s is so ridiculous to think about. They’re designed completely differently. The withered’s are larger, bulkier, different face molds, Chica beak is split into two large chunks, Freddy has upper teeth. It wouldn’t make a lick of sense. Scott implied this in UCN when he lazily took golden Freddy, made his hat purple and called that Fredbear. I’ll give a pass for the films, not for the games.

[@Browhatisyoudoing]

That’s not a lore retcon that was always intention. Endo 01 is the classic Endo But Endo 02 is the withered animatronic Endo

[@gabrielvitor-pj5hh]

@@Browhatisyoudoing No. Endo01 is indeed old, but that does not negate the existence of the Unwithereds.

[@Elite_kong]

I like this theory

[@Rachel-mo9lr]

2:31 i actually just don't see what your are talking about

[@TheMan-ht5uq]

My preferred theory: "Alright Will, what do you think about these desi-." "I hate them." "William, please do-." "They should be less bulky." "Will-" "And take out the buttons, they should be distinct from Fredbear and-." "WILLIAM STOP, WE ARE NOT MAKING THREE VERSIONS OF EACH CHARACTER AGAIN-." "'We', won't have to... I will." "I hate you."

[@Tyulenin]

Whatever the case is - it is still stupid Not meaning to be mean, but kinda tracks with Scott being a bad artist with the ugly old animations and the reception of the Chipper game Eh.. The phrasing is still too harsh and not factually correct (the environments look good, and The Desolate Hope has a clear vision), but the point still stands.

[@I_Pizza]

Nah, PG explicitly calls out that they look ugly after new tech is added to them. They are canonically different designs.

[@RealConnX]

Simple answer: Theres no lore lol

[@lpfan4491]

Wait, Into the Pit is supposed to be canon to the main games?

[@HeyLoiss]

Of course???

[@overlord2004]

No,it’s not one part of Game continuity This game is based on a first chapter of Fazbear Fright novel series

[@lpfan4491]

Yeah, getting two contradictory answers back to back sure doesn't help my confusion.

[@Wizardjones69]

@@overlord2004 it has a main title, and confirms stitchline games

[@lonelysatoshi2482]

As far as I’m aware it is, the book in itself is debatable but the story presented in the game is canon considering the fact that it’s a official mainline game and since it takes place in another Freddy’s location it doesn’t stumble upon any already established lore nor characters so it can easily fit in the game timeline after FNAF 1 and jumping back in time before FNAF 2 but after FNAF 4 (meaning the year of 1985)