Who REALLY Won?! | MGK vs. EMINEM | RAP DEVIL vs. KILLSHOT (Full Beef Breakdown)

[@smartalix5295]

I have to say, you deserve major props for your next-level reaction videos. The effort that you've put into this video is honestly unmatched. No disrespect to other channels, but this is like the difference between a Super Bowl performance, versus open-mic night at the local coffee shop.

[@FlawdTV]

Appreciate that bruv

[@ElderGodAzathoth]

Everyone in the rap game knows you can say anything about Em but you never never mention his daughter, plenty of people found that out the hard way

[@sierrasymone7590]

well he's lucky 2pac isn't still alive and they didn't have beef lol you know how that would've went

[@seanmills7255]

​@@sierrasymone7590yeah em woulda killed him. U forget 2pacs best dis was ghost written. He was soulful. Not a genius writer

[@tmm4195]

@@sierrasymone7590 For starters they probably would've been friends rather than rivals. Secondly, Eminem almost definitely beats Tupac in a diss battle for sure

[@sierrasymone7590]

@@seanmills7255 Eminem has never won a serious beef yet, boy can't even handle Mariah Carey 😂😂 not even top 10 lyricists but I forgot Eminem stans will always think he's God or something lol 2pac would embarrass him if they were to beef, he's laughable lol

[@sierrasymone7590]

@@tmm4195 I would like them to be friends and be a power team to be honest but let's get one thing straight, Eminem won't go after everyone that disses him, 2pac will go after you if you mentioned his name in a negative way, he's never lost a beef and gone toe to toe with the likes of, LL cool j, Nas and destroyed biggie who is in my opinion much better lyrically than him, who has Eminem gone after? nick cannon, ja rule, Britney spears, Mariah Carey?? lmao mgk don't even count since his intention was just to get clout, but yeah I've not seen a serious beef that Eminem has ever had that someone who has a powerful rap skill like ice cube, or Nas, or black thought, and yeah I know they respect him and all but I'm just talking about lyrical skill

[@oROBBIEo]

When "Not Alike" came out MGK posted a video of himself popping champagne celebrating the moment. That's why in "Killshot" Eminem says "yea bitch, pop champagne to this". That's about all I felt you missed. Great video.

[@Seananigans.1]

He also missed when MGK tried down playing Killshot bars because he talked about his man bun. All after MGK opened up Rap Devil talking about Em’s beard lol

[@molanlabe5868]

​@@Seananigans.1 bro, mgk had the hair for a movie roll but we just gonna ignore eminem dying his hair blonde for years? The beard comment goes over so many heads it went from a mild bar to pretty good I guess. What did em look like when he first rolled out? Baggy clothes and looking like he hadn't hit puberty, little fat face and no facial hair and even said if he got old and boring he would put down the pen. The beard comment was to say, look bro you are nothing like when you started, you've sold out and washed up and look like a weird old man trying to pretend he isn't old, if you're gonna dress like a 15 year old black kid then maybe shave so you don't look weird hence weird beard it was never meant to be a heavy hitting bar but I just don't understand why everyone focuses on it You gonna act like Em's freestyle about Trump was cringe as fuck "awfully hot coffee pot" like wtf is that but nope, in all the Stan's eyes, every word out of em's mouth is shaped like his cock and they gobble it as fast as they can and then say "please sir, may I have some...more"

[@TheBestMovieAlive]

Also MGK loved Halsey and got so mad when G-Eazy got her.

[@benicholson22]

The Rhianna line too.

[@Flatsquirrelnapsack]

Haha, exactly! I was about to say the same thing. He explained it right. But I don’t think he knew that video existed.

[@gamepiecevideo]

he dropped Killshot on the anniversary of Patrick Swayze death, which he references. Killshot is a movie released in 2008. The main characters name was Colson (same name as MGK). Colson gets shot and killed in the movie.

[@auggie2297]

No one ever gets this one and it's so disappointing.

[@ChrisVickeryinajar]

There's a relationship between the two backing beats too, they share some sort of origin that I don't remember.

[@SamYoungRadio]

Nah this is total overkill on the subliminals. Nobody needs to do that kinda research for a diss record

[@gamepiecevideo]

@@SamYoungRadio it's all unspoken. So, I wouldn't define that as a reach.

[@scotttds9167]

Not to mention saying “One Call to Interscope and you’re Swazy” which is Ghost. A character that Patrick Swazy played

[@andrewbledsoe131]

The trick trick bar was addressed twice once mockingly at the very very beginning of killshot. And once in the rapping itself

[@ozzy7109]

MGK still giving compliments the whole time in his song... Still recognizing Em is the 🐐

[@macysondheim]

More like 🐢

[@mattbailey3456]

So I'm not only one on that level of MGK doing that, not just in song but interview's before first song after Em's low-key line in kamikaze track that lead to rap devil track

[@matthewbennett1972]

That’s why it’s the weakest dis track ever. If you’re gonna dis go for the throat

[@isaiahpero7837]

Eminem slapped the "Machine Gun" out of MGK and left everybody else with just the "Kelly." 😂🤣

[@bhishekthakur1331]

You ain't even Bow and Arrow 💀

[@Sos4R4y]

I didn't think about that lmao nice catch!

[@emiliadumitru8030]

Underrated comment

[@zombiewolf3244]

We know how you R jelly lol

[@David-zd6jj]

Lmmfao

[@hendersongalbreath1072]

You said Eminem didn't address the "Trick, trick/bitch, bitch" line, but it is literally the FIRST thing said on the track. He basically treated that line, the "yellin' at the mic" line, and the "weird beard" line as throw-away's. He clowned the living shit out of all three of them within the first 8 seconds of the track, while also throwing in "when your fans become your haters" to counter the "idols/rivals" bit.

[@timjames3191]

Em didn't clown anything. lol. just copy and pasted.

[@jessicarichter6436]

@@timjames3191mocking those lines is clowning silly 😂

[@zinzincoetzee1934]

​@@timjames3191He did mock him obviously but you're right. It is basically a copy and paste

[@StevenMedeiros-x9y]

Are you aware "your beard's weird" was actually MGK clowning old Eminem lyrics? MGK is definitely more of a fan of MNM than anyone who has listened to these disses because no one seems to know, "your beard's weird" was MNM dissing Benzino who was the co-founder of "the source" hip hop magazine. IIRC this is around ja rule, last mention I remember is in "toy soldiers"

[@hendersongalbreath1072]

The weird beard line wasn't from a Benzino diss. It's from Em's song "Business".

[@logancain7860]

No one on KZbin broke it down like this. No one else has gone through the history of the tweets or interviews leading up to the diss tracks. Epic video my guy!

[@רוןכהן-ח1ח]

Wrong bish

[@austinmushinski]

Crypt did

[@i.aladdin]

Crypt broke it down pretty fuckin extra

[@markangelomartinez8077]

Knox hill

[@dirtyroo5562]

Dawg never watched crypt completely break down the whole beef.

[@Ginaarceci]

I know this is a 6 month old video but i wanted to comment he's saying "pop champagne to this" bcuz theres video footage of MGK popping champagne after he was dissed on his kamikaze album. This was so well done and put together! 👏 ❤ absolutely love your reactions.

[@FlawdTV]

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[@vincesaligue5963]

and Em made that diss for 13 mins

[@opgam3r482]

Bro, you got mad posers like the dude above claiming to be you repping to chat... I've been seeing this w/ anyone over 100k, I have no idea what their end game is... But depending how your set up, MOD these fools. peace & love man

[@rachellejones6254]

One thing I have to tell you…… MGK did date Halsey, but the thing is, Halsey ditched him and she decided to go with G easy. There for, I think that was a pretty good dis. 👍🏾

[@zacharyshaw6455]

You know if Eminem did not rush that he would have a lot more time to prepare and d destroyed him even worse

[@BKK871]

Ahh you missed the whole champagne line by Em. He said that because MGK had made a video of himself popping a bottle of champagne in like a sneak diss to Em.

[@KS-mo6wb]

I'd give the punchlines to Eminem solely based on the Diddy line. Even if a lot of people didn't get the more obscure punches, that line anyone with a brain's jaw dropped lol. Ain't mad tho.

[@Len_M.]

💯 that line caught everyone off guard.

[@aaronscoasters]

Let's also not forget Em purposely used corny lines to match MGks lines and even mentioned using corny lines until the part about "had to give you a career to destroy it", the turning part of the diss track. He even did this with much better rhyme writing and better schemes and ability. A lot of reactors do not understand the Diddy line fully, which is disappointing. Em should have won every category he used except replay value, as Em's dis track is a diss track and not a pop song. Crypt does a much better scoring.

[@nickiissj]

Same

[@Len_M.]

@@aaronscoasters One thing I didn’t know was that Biggie was going to leave Bad Boy Records. It’s too bad that Pac thought it was Biggie who was involved because of the bad timing of “Who Shot ya?” coming out. At least he didn’t die thinking it was Biggie though. So many Artists are gone that were under Honey Combs. There are definitely things he is going to ultimately have to answer for though. It all started when the Security Guard shot an associate at the Nightclub in Atlanta. I have to disagree on replay value though, I’ve only listened to Rap Devil a couple times, where as Killshot is on my Em Playlist.

[@kattykat9600]

Agreed.

[@kayfalterman1175]

I love his stabs at “well you had Dre” but Em got Dre’s attention on his own merit. Like… tf? 😂

[@meatduck-ki3do]

No he didn’t bro. Eminem had such an easy path to success. Mgk actually built his own path

[@MattB_138]

Yes..yes he got dres attention when a colleague ( forget who) gave Dre his mixtape adter em came in second in the rap Olympics. Em had already made and produced his 1st album infinite on his own at that point as well.

[@Killroy007]

@@meatduck-ki3do I wouldnt call living in detroit and trying to be a rapper as a white guy an easy path to success, but alright man

[@ConquerHistory]

@@meatduck-ki3do MGK had Diddy though.

[@ashoni1418]

​@@meatduck-ki3dohomie.....do your homework before saying something....DUMB bro lol

[@rahulgogoi6637]

"pop champagne to this" line also refers to a video that was trending on the internet when eminem released Kamikaze album and MGK heard his diss on "Not Alike". The video was MGK listening to the diss on blast, being all happy and excited, also popping champagne to the song lol.

[@DarkestsuNseT1031]

Just came across and absolutely LOVED it! The breakdown and all. One thing, that i noticed which stuck out to me. Maybe I am wrong with this. But the line Em said “Die, mother-fer”. Was the same tone that he said it in the song “Go to Sleep”. Which is an old song with DMX many might not know about. But the title of movie it was in was called “Cradle 2 the Grave” So with ONLY those TWO words, one line. Em is saying what you just did. That video was the Cradle that will lead you to your Grave. So now its time for you MGK to go to sleep B’tch. Die MF Die. Time up. Close your eyes. Which are the rest of lyrics to that part of the song.

[@tylersynopsiys236]

Not to mention Eminem’s daughter was 16 at the time 😐

[@xKillerClownx]

The Benzino diss track.

[@TheLongDon]

@@tylersynopsiys236 So?

[@Diablo22967]

Best breakdown, up there with Knox Hill, but I disagree with part where you say that kill shot is too complicated, in the battle rap scene, you have to prove you technically superior to your rival and Em being from that scene, I think he will always go back to that so he treated it like a pure battle mode "destroy MGK" if you hear Kuniva talk about how Em dissed him, her says that he blanked out because it was so technically superior and the wordplay was so dope

[@de4ds1ghtcsgo94]

Em held back to make it even more obvious just how superior he is🤣

[@anthonyobrien2972]

Em didn't even get out of first gear 😂😂 never mind u tried u died kelly

[@DavidMcCombs-b7h]

can we stop with this cringe "without even trying" "didn't get out of first gear" shit? Seriously, how are you fucks able to take a clear Em W and make it cringey as fuck? On every mention of the dude? Derp derp he wasn't even trying either Stop@@MagpieMusicYT

[@trishy00]

Eminem's lyrics are in a completely different league from MGK's. No comparison, and he doesn't need autotune, a music video, or even much of a beat for it to be good. I also like how Eminem called him a satanist. MGK just wants fame.

[@JaradsWRLD]

Said a Satanist tho

[@allysamae.7]

Faxxxx

[@mariokarter13]

And yet I can't shake the feeling this was all a marketing stunt orchestrated by Eminem to bounce back from a career low point. The entire theme of Kamikaze was "my last album is so bad I need a quick easy W to save my career."

[@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595]

@@mariokarter13 I feel like if that was the point, then he could've chosen someone more well-recognized then MGK, while MGK did certainly have fans I'm pretty sure that most people who listened to Not Alike weren't even aware that MGK had beef with Em, even if they knew MGK as an artist.

[@haraldsknopkens8401]

​@@mariokarter13 Honestly, I have a sneaky suspicion that MGK entered into this beef knowing he would lose, as bad rep is still rep, which helped his career grow by a substantial amount. And Em took on more influencial rappers in his next album...

[@jenb8299]

Eminem rebuttaled everything and drop a line that totally made MGK look like a spectator. Em's just clever like that, right Diddy?

[@tonyr2920]

As of today: Killshot has the record for 38M views within 24 hours Killshot views: 376M Rap Devil: 240M Gona go ahead and say the replay value category should go to Em, since what you said is true: numbers don’t lie. Also, great, great recap!!!

[@joshuasimmons6443]

Eminem has more fans that's going to back up and support him no matter what kind of garbage he put out. Doesn't matter how bad it is they will say it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. So those numbers are no surprise

[@joanag9835]

The 240M Rap Devil viewers were only there after viewing Killshot

[@allisoncook1340]

@@joanag9835 not me. I listened to rap Devil first and imo it's way better than killshot . To each their own thoughts though

[@Jaguar2kicks]

Em is known through the sky and MGK was just a regular rapper. Lol. So those numbers are good.

[@justinbarnard8749]

I would like to see something like an Eminem v. Tech N9ne but midwest choppers don't play like that. The whole point of eminems drop was just to acknowledge it .. I mean what do you say to the dude whose biggest achievement is dating Megan Fox

[@superknugs6327]

I find it weird how MGK was saying he dresses better than eminem while never wearing a shirt.

[@esotericnightmares]

that Jade a kiss/Jadakiss line is so deep. Nothing changed by the locks (door locks, The Lox, hair locks - his hair color, used to blonde - now brown)

[@gando7474]

Plus jadakiss used to be in the loxs. So the nothings changed but the locks line is in refrance to the fact Jada used to be part of them too. One of the most underrated verses in rap!!

[@antj2k1]

@@gando7474 jada is still in the LOX

[@RonaldJames-eo2hc]

That's clever wordplay there. That bar went ever most people heads, that's why they will say MGK won lol

[@jessicarichter6436]

Just that one line is so underrated I got 9 meanings from it. 1. locks as in keys 2. loxs of hair (Em going from blonde to brown) 3. Lox the rap group 4. jade is mgks daughters name 5. Hailey jade is Ems daughters name 6. jadakiss is another rapper 7. Ems giving mgk or his daughter the kiss of death 8. jadakiss has a song “kiss of death” 9. Jadakiss is apart of the rap group the lox tying it all together. However you break it down Ems a fucking genius!

[@scurvyelephant333]

“Let me win” is the most telling statement. You will never catch Eminem asking anyone to “let” him win. He doesn’t need permission. He doesn’t need anyone else to step back. He just steps TF up. And MGK, while out of one side of his mouth, is saying Eminem is irrelevant/washed up/has nothing more to say, when out the other side, Em is in his way, ergo, the dominant voice.

[@1622-p2t]

At 1:45 ish. He was saying he was scared to listen to it because he was worried it would suck and stain is reputation.

[@mariokarter13]

As far as rap beefs go, Eminem is a walking L factory purely based on choice of targets. Nas goes after Jay-Z. Eminem goes after Moby and MGK.

[@juliantaylor5222]

@@mariokarter13 Choice of targets? Eminem used to go after who ever targeted him and made waves. Moby was Lame but MGK had Eminem name in his mouth for years Nas and Jay Z was 2 of the biggest dogs in the East. Most i cant say all but most THOSE people dont diss Eminem, not cause fear but they respect him and hes not problematic to them cause he constantly praises them

[@mariokarter13]

@@juliantaylor5222 I'm saying it's no coincidence that this entire situation popped off when Eminem was at a career low point, and that all of his past beefs have been with easy targets. It's real impressive how you made that homerun at the teeball game, Slim.

[@jackkawf4449]

@@mariokarter13 I kinda agree, especially when he continues to throw Ja and cannabis's names out as his biggest achievement.... it's like yeah ...cool.....that was YEARS ago and Ja, while being super popular at his time, wasn't exactly a lyrical spitter, cannabis was good, but still by now it's not that big. Even at that, I never liked ja, but his "em you said your mother's a crackhead and Kim is a known slut, so what Haley gon' be when she grows up?" Was actually not too shabby from someone of Ja's low caliber, em had a few lines, but mainly left it to D12 and 50, so even then....he wasn't the real take down of Ja, in a sense, it was 50.

[@troynuke]

Great breakdown. The line in Em's verse about calling interscope he would be Swayze is so hard and lots of people just miss it or skim over. Em saying that if he actually called Interscope MGK would be a Ghost bc Swayze played in the movie Ghost. Em is super creative and you have to digest every line bc something is always hidden.

[@Sam-bd7gp]

Also because swayze himself is dead

[@jamesmann7761]

Yeah it's in part because of the movie "Ghost" but definitely also because Patrick Swayze is in fact dead.

[@jodyhorn9389]

A lot of people also missed another meaning from the Swayze line. Em put killshot out on September 14. Patrick Swayze died on September 14. That def wasn't a coincidence. Em is absurdly talented.

[@DTRIGGS]

I feel like MGK may have got the two wins for replayability and punchlines in this judgement because he had way more time than Em to polish his track. While he responded 4 days after Not Alike with Rap Devil, who's to say he didn't spend the prior 6 years trying to write his bars, as opposed to Em who did so much more in less than 10 days.

[@TheCornhole55]

Em won with punchlines. Em is far more superior lyrically.

[@zombine555]

​@@TheCornhole55like Flawd said, yes, the bars are more complex, but that's a double edged sword.

[@willykellum7668]

it's only a double edged sword for those too simple minded to not catch it. If these were judged by professionals then Em would win, hands down, no contest. Listen to syllables by em to further drive home this point.@@zombine555

[@Norkkah]

Funny thing, Eminem never said he was a “Rap God,” he said “I’m beginning to feel like a Rap God.”

[@FlawdTV]

That’s semantics.

[@Norkkah]

@@FlawdTV True, but its something that should be mentioned when MGK says that Eminem calls himself a “rap god,” when Eminem hasn’t said that. Just a tad little detail lol

[@zombine555]

​@@FlawdTVsemantics are important in a convorsation like this. Like your semantics about digestible bars. Without that, marshall woulda almost swept.

[@taraestelleadelizzi9975]

Volkswagen. Tailspin. Bucket matches my Pale (pail) skin. Semantics matter.

[@rianepperson5094]

Eminem has definitely called himself a rap god. In the song rap god, no. But since then, at least once in the song never gon learn for sure, but I feel like there’s been more as well.

[@fusedsouls1833]

Just wanted to point out a lyric issue with that killshot lyric video. The video says, "Supplying smoke, got the firest dope." The line actually goes "Supplying smoke, got the fire stoked." As in, stoking a fire, to give it air, causing it to burn more, and thus causing more smoke. Noticed the issue when I watched that same video lol.

[@Sundaymorningrecorded]

You made me wanna do reactions. Most the time when seen them its people who dont know history and its simplistic. You actually do breakdowns that explain it to people the way i would. Only thing i would have added is the not alike verse and the pop champagne line was because mgk actually dropped video of him popping bottle to not alike. Like you said that he probably had it on his shelf for 6yrs waiting for a mention in any way

[@cbtowers4841]

So smart and objective of you, actually. Stans would put the punchlines on Eminem, because they have “Eminem ears.” The punchlines hit because they’ve listened to Eminem for years so they could immediately digest the doubles, lyrical acrobatics, etc. Thank you for your hard work, your honor. 😂

[@FlawdTV]

I understood the doubles. I just think MGK had more easily digestible punches in general

[@cbtowers4841]

@@FlawdTV no yeah, I knew you understood. I meant you deliberated on it from the perspective of people who don’t necessarily have Eminem ears, so that’s why I said that was very objective of you. I’m just saying if a Stan would deliberate on it, the punchlines category would go to Em cause it would hit harder for them. 😃

[@MelanieFortier-v1n]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@willykellum7668]

stan or no, the punchlines should go to Em because they are simply better. So yall telling me that Em should lose out on that one because he was too good? I get that there are several instances where too much of a good thing isn't a good thing but I don't feel like this is or should be one of those times. I mean if they were in a ring throwing punches it don't matter if the fans understood how hard the hit was or the guy on the receiving end understood how hard the hit was, it's still going to be face to canvas for MGK. Night night, sleepy time@@cbtowers4841

[@sarahlol4008]

em's punchlines were so good, just complex like you said but if you're able to digest his style it is actually insane how good they are. Also, MGK's repetitiveness is so corny to me, and the autotune was so awk. thas jus me tho. anyways em on top always

[@nickiissj]

MGK has good bars but Em's are deadly. I think that is why MGK has more comercial value is just basic pushlines and jokes ( that are decent, that's why Em answered) but there is no comparison in quality. My opinion tho :)

[@Tcrror]

Yeah, MGK absolutely DID NOT have better punchlines. Not even close.

[@kinkop7381]

I've watched at least a dozen reactions/breakdowns to these two songs. Wasn't sure what I was going to get with that goofy wig, but I really enjoyed this. Probably the most informative one out there in terms of going through the story leading up to the songs. Will definitely be watching more of your videos. Thank you.

[@Sh4dyMamb4]

Best part is MGK said fake interview because he did it with sway. But breakfast club is owned by Diddy lol. The irony. Also take a look at why the song is called killshot. Its crazy haha

[@Dropnostop]

Yeah but didn’t doesn’t care about MGK like Sway cares about keeping his job 😅

[@Cliporis]

Also, when he says “die motherfucker like the last motherfucker saying Halie in vain” it’s a throwback to Eminem / DMX song featured in Jet Lee’s movie. Please react to it. I ain’t gonna eat, I ain’t gonna sleep, I ain’t gonna breathe till I see what I wanna see…

[@flaredragoon8922]

This is so cool, I love this style of breakdown. Two rules, don't touch America's boats, don't talk about em's daughter's. Breaking either rule will get you blown away.

[@charlesraleighjr8439]

Biggest problem with the Hailey comment was she was under age.

[@jessicarichter6436]

Exactly and she’s not the first child mgks made creepy comments about either.

[@johns3153]

​@@jessicarichter6436 It's Hollywood EM is guilty of it Elvis Presley is guilty of it Paul walker was in a relationship at 33 with a 16 year old all because modern laws are passing age of consent to be 16 and some states are trying to go lower

[@matthewbennett1972]

“We already know who you are Kelly “

[@SamYoungRadio]

She was 17. MGK was 21. That's a legal relationship in most states. Hailey is the daughter of Slim Shady not the Pope..she is no virgin saint

[@vactis645]

It's was like a 3 years age difference doesn't excuse it but don't pretend that slim didn't knock up haileys mom when she was underage what's worse a comment or actually sleeping with a minor

[@weronikawrischke2254]

Also Killshot from '08 is about copuple named Colson. MGK is named Richard Colson Baker but apparently he is often called Colson, guy ends up shot in the movie. And Swayze lines are also so cool cause you can say that becoming swayze is just disappearing like in the movie Ghost but also song was realised on the anniversary od Swayze death, we should also not forget that MGK talked about himself as ghost, and ofc there was this rapper Swayze who put out like one good song. MASTERPICE

[@roberteyer1175]

Only thing I didn’t care for MGK’s diss is that a true diss doesn’t have a hook. Maybe I’m just to old and think Old school is better

[@Len_M.]

Or a Video. Though Hit em up did have a vid.. but traditionally they don’t like no Vaseline.

[@willykellum7668]

it's actually a little depressing i had to scroll down in the comments before someone finally pointed this out. Was starting to think I was the only one that noticed. TY for saying what I was about to.

[@crandallziegel]

Em did respond to the trick trick bar. He called out MGK for the fact that even in his own city, he's got more fans, basically saying MGK couldn't even call trick trick

[@alienape3171]

0:40 MGK was over 20 and Hayley was 16.

[@johns3153]

Still legal tho age of consent in Detroit is 16 age of consent in Ohio is 16 and EM was older then MGK when he mentioned Hillary Duff butt in a song and she was 15

[@vincentdreemurr]

​@@johns3153strawman fallacy

[@johns3153]

@@vincentdreemurr that was a response to the argument maybe you should look that word up to better understand it and I wasn't responding to you or the original poster I'm responding to the guy @snikt7424 who said MGK is a pedo for saying what he said so I was making a reference of what EM said

[@Triple87]

“This is not a wig” Never doubted it for a second. 😂

[@HolyMeauxly]

😂😂😂

[@southernzen365]

Cool doooo!!!

[@bhishekthakur1331]

This made me chuckle...

[@darkness-bn9pz]

in my opinion the "pop Champaign to this " bar also refers to the video of MGK celebrating with a Champaign in the bathroom playing not alike in the background after eminem name drops him in the song....its about half a minute long clip

[@TMConstructionOntario]

Bro, this is the best take on the situation that I have seen and you are 100% right. People would have had more respect for MGK if his ego didnt get in the way and just publicly apologized.

[@esaiasjones1635]

This is probably the best recap of the whole beef. I lowkey feel bad for MGK because he got chewed up and spat out…but I appreciate tf out of him for the valiant attempt. Made for great entertainment, reminded me of the good ole days when rappers had REAL issues with each other. Not a MGK fan, but not a MGK hater. Props to him for coming in swinging as hard as he did. Em is just the superior rapper tho…which is all we as listeners care about.

[@rhodesben10]

The only people that think eminem won this battle are suburban kids. Eminem makes cringey bars that he tries so hard to have some sort of metaphor or simile attached to it that it's so corny. It's all about taste and preference as to why the majority of the hip hop community chose mgk as the winner in the beef. Only suburban kids on the internet think eminem won

[@Flexie1234]

@@rhodesben10 How can you say Eminem has corny bars, when all of Rap Devil basically is corny bars about age, wealth and weird beards lol.

[@esaiasjones1635]

@@rhodesben10 *LONG REPLY INCOMING* It depends on the type of hip hop head you’re talking to. The ones that are casual, surface level listener’s will probably agree with you. The ones that are used to listening to lyrical rappers (MF DOOM, Nas, Tech 9,...I could honestly go on but I’m gonna stop there) will say that this wasn’t an actual battle, as Eminem’s pen is on a level that can’t be easily matched. Like I said…I’m not a MGK hater. I actually think that his diss is the best that we’ve seen since Canibus. It was original, it was authentic, and it was catchy. But rap has always been more than surface level easy listening…especially when it comes to diss tracks. “Corny” is subjective, so I won’t comment on that. Think whatever you want…but I’ll put money on it that you won’t take into consideration the ultimate deciding factor when it comes to this entire beef…and that’s NUMBERS. Oh yes…the one category that people refuse to talk about when it doesn’t support the narrative that they want to push 😂. Did you know that Eminem’s Killshot broke a record for the most views on KZbin upon its release? In terms of the commercial success of the the feud…Em shitted all over MGK. Not an opinion, but a fact. MGK’s Rap Devil gave him a buzz yes. So much of a buzz that Eminem himself had to respond to MGK due to how much people were impressed by MGK’s diss. But let’s talk about WHY Eminem won this battle (if we want to call it that…it looked more like a spanking to REAL hip hop heads). *LYRICS* MGK wasted a lot of time by adding a bridge and hook. While it appealed to casual listeners, it was time that could’ve been spent taking more jabs at Em. Speaking of jabs…the only jabs that stood out in rap devil is that Em is old (so what…), and that his earlier albums are better (…better than anything MGK ever has or ever will release…that much is for certain) *ORGINS of BEEF* Idk about you…but I’m not gonna be caught dead defending someone that is attracted to minors 🤷‍♂️ that’s just me though. MGK is not on the right side of history here as he was a 22 year old man expressing his attraction to a 17 year old girl. It doesn’t matter how you want to look at it…that is NOT okay, and there is no defending it. That’s one of reasons why I couldn’t take this “beef” seriously. That R Kelly bar in Not Alike hit harder than anything MGK said in Rap Devil. Gonna be honest for a second here…I can’t take certain “hip hop fans” seriously nowadays. Yall were all over MGK’s junk when he dropped Rap Devil…but I can’t get a straight answer out of any of yall when I ask what y’all’s favorite song off of the Binge EP was…😆😆😆. My guess is that most y’all didn’t even listen to it. I did…and again…I’m not even a MGK fan. The EP was a disappointment to say the least. To say the most, the EP SUCKED. Trash. Garbage. Not to be spoken of or mentioned ever again. I’m just not tryna hear it. This ”hip hop community” that you’re referring to are nothing more than trend followers and couldn’t care less about rap as a musical art form. Let’s talk about flows, punchlines, lyrical density, wordplay, and FACTS and then we can have a real discussion about the victor of this whole debacle. MGK…as much as I liked his diss…is in Eminem’s shadow…like he said in Killshot. A shadow that he is actively running away from…which is why he’s no longer a rapper 🤣

[@derrekhall4555]

@@rhodesben10 all older hip hop heads know em bodied him dude. Pay attention.

[@rhodesben10]

@@esaiasjones1635 stop being weird in the youtube comment section bro get off the internet and out your moms basement.

[@uvuwuewuewueonyetueosas227]

And MGK rly had a video where he popped champagne after he heard Not Alike when Kamikaze dropped. Its good thing to mention aswell, he was kinda happy that he heard his name on eminem album.

[@yongmoon69]

Ii could be wr to ng but Ii is thought mgk popped champagne in rap devil too

[@uvuwuewuewueonyetueosas227]

@@yongmoon69 no, it was after he heard kamikaze, after that was rap devil

[@cryptojunkie2478]

I think the important thing to know is that MGK was commenting on an under age Hailey. Knowing what Em has done to rappers in the past for Putting her name out there he got what was coming to him. Now he is just a transgender used to be rapper

[@crashthecat]

That dig your own grave line was hard af.

[@6FootVampire]

Wow your natural hair is CRAZY! so white, i never noticed before ❤

[@kimzwolinski9919]

Wow!!! I love how you laid that out. I have watched more reactions to these tracks more times than I even want to admit 😂 Totally had my attention through the whole video 😊👍 nicely done

[@noodlewater12]

Oh shit it is Kim with a fake last name. Now we know why you are watching so many xD.

[@incogneeto2418]

Two things I've noticed: 29:17 He left hickeys on Rihanna's neck -> kissing her neck -> complimenting her neck. "compliment me on the next" sounds like "compliment me on the neck" which is a funny way to say that MGK loves Em. 36:40 "I'll give you a B for the effort" sounds like "I'll give you beef for the effort", so he's basically saying he'll reply just because MGK came for him, not because it's good or he felt threatened.

[@OnceUponReddit]

No

[@vincentdreemurr]

@@OnceUponReddit very insightful.

[@youngpministry]

This was so detailed in the events that happened prior to the actual songs and I love that. I didn’t know all that happened between the two of them aside from MGK taking about Eminem’s daughter so this was not only entertaining but it was also very informational and very intriguing

[@Lost_souls_lose_freedom]

I think you missed that the "knees weak" line was also a shot to "knees weak palms are sweaty" in MGK's rap.

[@darkvisiongothacked]

One thing i think you skipped, that em even said is that it was just a shot over the bow, letting him know hey dont fuck with this. in other words he held back on purpose and still made something that is arguably slightly better than mgk's best effort. In other words, em wiped his ass and still had something better on paper than however long MGK took to set up his little diss.

[@Kerify]

Totally!

[@chikushodiz91]

We have to admit rap devil was a song not a diss track that’s why it has replay value

[@ricozegers]

bullshit a lot of ppl have killshot in the playlist

[@chikushodiz91]

@@ricozegers yea like me

[@chikushodiz91]

@@ricozegers I’m sayin the reason people think it has more replay value because rap devil is a song and killshot is a diss track

[@nickiissj]

​@@ricozegers I have it hhah

[@ricozegers]

@@chikushodiz91 only ppl that just listen to the beat say that I dont care about kids not liatening to the lyrics and singing along with a catchy hook Em murdered him with every fucking bar

[@CyndeLooWho]

This was the best break down I’ve seen and I’ve watched a lot.

[@Nasty_Zappa]

Flawed. Thank you for showing your real hair. I appreciate.

[@murtaugh1761]

Best breakdown I’ve seen so far, please do more of these!

[@johnstafford1246]

I agree

[@juicemAster2000]

I really appreciate this breakdown. You had a very fair reasons for both sides. I guess I’m considered a Stan because to me Em is the goat with bars and creativity but I love lil Wayne too. I know MGK came with it but I’m a huge rap fan. This is prob the reason Kelly switched genres. For real tho. Keep up dude. I appreciate this channel!🎉

[@troy5541]

Amazing video. You should do more rap beefs with this kind of break down. For me, I would have had Em down for 4-1. I preferred Em's punch lines. MGK did have a couple good bars and he had some decent cadence in small sections of the track.

[@doodoo871]

I really thought it was trash especially knowing how much time he spent on it. The clown did a whole video.

[@defAngel]

Eminem’s “Not Alike” verse still fucks me up. 😅

[@Kiki-xx3fj]

Incredible video! You really did your homework on this one. One thing I want to say that I haven’t really seen anyone point out is it’s gotta be an immediate L for MGK because of all the compliments and homage throughout Rap Devil. I just don’t believe you can call your opponent the GOAT, and the best rapper alive, and a national treasure and walk away with the win. I mean it’s a diss track! Can you picture Pusha calling Drake the GOAT on The Story of Adidon??? I think everyone was so excited about this at the time and impressed that MGK would even attempt to diss Em that they kinda overlooked that

[@bairsensei7496]

If you've ever seen the sandels resort commercial it ends with sandels sitting under a palm tree in the shade so that bar had wayyyy more layers then people realized

[@ashleyhayden7054]

This was so amazing!!!! Totally worth the wait Flawd. You KILLED this for sure!

[@justinsavoie4872]

The beard comment is more than just the picture I forget what song it is but eminem mentions about getting old and having weird beards

[@kylerichter9167]

Thank you for this. I have two daughters and I have no doubt MJK feels absolutely the same way that he should have apologized. He didn’t. You called it out. I might be from Michigan but I’m not skewed as I think Em is probably an asshole but MGK is far far worse. Not skewed, just telling the truth and thank you for calling him out.

[@kristalfigueroa3098]

Enjoyed this video . Very informative for these youngsters that don’t know all the back history and connections their bars had like u mentioned. Great breakdown !

[@Ifyoucantdodgeitramit]

Everyone else took the words right off my keyboard. Best breakdown yet. 👌 FYI for those that don't know... Diss tracks really shouldn't or don't need to have much replay value. They're exactly that, diss tracks. Not records meant to sell. Lyricism is KEY. Also, what rapper in their right mind goes after a rapper that's been in the game since the early 90s and literally got his start from battle rap?? That's his comfort zone, he loves it! The fact that he probably didn't even have to put much effort into this and still raps circles around MGK says it all. If you interviewed eminem and asked him, he'd probably say it was fun to write this shit. It's like his hobby 🤣 Anyway, fantastic break down.

[@ljdoske2156]

Talking about replay value, i just checked the views for each diss and Emimen's Killshot shows it has more replay value than MGK's Rap Devil. And that's only an audio, mgks was a video

[@flapdrol75]

The pop champagne to this bar was actually a reference to MGK celebrating and popping champagne when he heard not alike. Which to me is a even better diss than killshot.

[@sickens-me]

Killshot is on my mfkn playlist. Thank you for playing both. I love you automatically. 🖤 LET'S GOOOOO. Truth matters. I know most people don't care.

[@2ninjamaster855]

At 41:15 Flawd says that it felt kind off rushed yeah it was because he made the lyrics to kill shot in 13 minutes and thats impressive

[@Martian_T]

Absolutely the best beef breakdown I’ve seen by far, and I watch literally every reactor. I’m thoroughly impressed.

[@sethnmarshall]

This breakdown was like a toddler explaining why he shit his pants. Missed everything except the most basic of bars and completely misunderstood 90% of the bars he broke down.

[@TheREIstory]

You should breakdown the nail in the coffin ⚰️ diss. I've always wanted to know the backstory on that. This was a super well put together video. Thanks man!

[@thechamfam2328]

There's a whole lot more to break down. You have to include ja rule..you have to include a dude getting shot at a recording studio...dudes getting stabbed outside a recording studio....that shit would be a docuseries like the old BEEF videos narrated by Ving rhames

[@Jessica_Costantini]

check out diverse mentality he’s got a breakdown of allllll the beefs

[@user-ug4vg2qf3h]

1st time on this channel,this judge is on point! Liked and subbed.

[@littlemuffin943]

could you imagine if they did a battle rap on stage against each other that was judged

[@DroxKnows]

Flawd killed it like always and Em is the 🐐

[@HolyMeauxly]

Drox knows!!!

[@GramadinGG]

This is so much better than I expected it to be. Well done.

[@LEMOxsn]

A lot of contents, interesting contents, very smart move from you, very happy there's a creator like u

[@milliecannon8831]

i like that this video was not just a mgk drag like so many other vids out there. like you actaully said the facts of the situation

[@_M-_-C_]

I think Em's lyrics being complicated and his response seeming to be lack lustre are also bonuses too, i mean, not for us, but against MGK its like hes proving hes smarter than him, and that runs into Em not putting his all into his response like " i can beat you with a more complex rap without even trying" kind of attitude

[@willykellum7668]

yet there are people on here that think he lost out on the punchlines for them being too complex. Like it's obvious just like you said that Em didn't even try hard but it's still too much for some people to comprehend. I'll never be convinced that he lost out on the punchlines because he too big for the some of the listeners to catch it.

[@BrooklynISLove]

The cornball had to switch genres afterwards, kinda says it all.

[@Kerify]

Thank you for stating the obvious!! 💯

[@Len_M.]

And Genders.

[@FlawdTV]

😂🤣😂 @Fixxer0000

[@yongmoon69]

The disses mgk has don't hit because they are things he wants. To be rich, live til at least 50, bigger vocabulary which makes a better rapper.

[@laetitiacavinato2554]

Nice job ! No one did it like that before, with the full context and the material.

[@magicsparx]

Give Flawd an award, his acting durring MGK's diss preteding to like it was incredible.

[@Gee_Willikers7]

Bro, I love your videos. This one is awesome because you broke it all down. I love how you went detective mode to find all this to make this awesome video. Keep it up my dude I appreciate it 💯

[@blisskris5063]

Never seen this beef broke down like this...and I agree with everything single word you said Flawd 🎯 This vid is 🔥 Great Job 👏 👏 👏

[@dirreeN]

I 100% agree with you, Em is super complex and its usually why people say "Em can't rap" and shit like that.. BUT he def smoked MGK on killshot but Rap Devil just on pure sound is a better SONG, but its not a better DISS TRACK and sadly people usually can't separate the two.. And yes, i also agree on Not Alike being the best out of all 3 of them haha

[@Mr_R34P3R_GR1MLY]

If I had a disagreement with your final verdict, it would be the punchlines. Personally, I feel that Em's hit much harder. To me it seemed like he flipped all of Kelly's punches in the first couple of seconds of the song: mocking bitch bitch, weird beard, mic yelling, fans become your haters (idols/rivals). All of that was immediately dismissed, so all Kelly really had was the age bars, which fall flat for me because age is going to hit all of us. That's a really weak angle of attack, in my opinion, and easily beatable (45 outselling you, hitting old age with a ten year old's rage). I think the hardest punch in Killshot was the fact of Kelly having to live in Em's shadow. There is just so much truth behind that statement, and I consider that the K.O. right there. Kelly had to switch genres, but I noticed when he did return to rap, it didn't seem as though he had any steam or validity. He took shots at Jack Harlow, which went unanswered, and I feel like was back to sub dissing Em as well. All in all though, I really enjoyed your video breaking this down, and the judge outfit is fire 🔥😂 Happy I found your channel!

[@instantlybroken]

I've never agreed with an so much with an argument I didn't make before. This video felt like my own personal echo chamber. You've Gained a subscriber.

[@NickSibz]

This was an incredible analysis. I've been a big MGK fan since about 2013 but also ofc was a big fan of Em. I agree MGK def dropped the best diss at Em in awhile but it's clear Em is on a different level. MGK also made more of a traditional song that you can listen to as opposed to Em who made a real diss track. That being said, I love where MGK is at now as I'm a metalcore/emo kid and he's the biggest he's ever been. This period was cool though as it felt like real traditional beef. I do feel one day we may get something with them together, prob unlikely but would be really cool IMO.

[@jonanice]

You missed out on your deep dive that MGK actually had the beat n part of the song done a looong time before releasing rap devil. It really takes away the fact it’s an ok diss when you consider how much time he had to do it. Also I feel Eminem did cover the bitch line at the start of Killshot when he is mocking that along with the weird beard line 😂

[@robertwilmer2288]

The only other thing I can say is MGK made a song that had disses in it and Eminem made a old school diss track. Just straight at the guy no hook needed. Just bars.

[@FlawdTV]

Eminem has made MORE songs with disses in them than straight up bars with no hook.

[@robertwilmer2288]

@@FlawdTV that’s my point regarding it being a battle. MGK didn’t make a battle song. He made a record.

[@mixofficial4503]

42:30 even mgk himself surprising from this result

[@Dave-nc1zt]

Excellent break down my guy. It’s definitely easier to understand the depth behind em through your videos. Great job dude

[@ruddyy123]

As a Stan, I find your verdict very honest and agreeable. Well done on not being biased

[@caveresch]

It's Eminem. Just based on the complexity of each bar. And it was most definitely planned. Listen to almost any diss track ever, they all directly respond to the previous diss.. soo being that they are both from interscope, someone told Kelly Eminem was putting out a surprise album with tons of disses and you're one of them and he started work on this.

[@iRunfastXC]

Something you missed at 35:40 was that Eminem was literally referencing a video MGK posted on social popping Champagne listening to Eminem mentioning his name on Kamikaze. MGK had literally been waiting for it. Probably already had the song recorded, tbh

[@ChrisOverton11]

I was so invested in this back when it was developing. This is by far the best video on KZbin surrounding this battle.

[@namho6123]

Haven't finished video, just started the vid.. and wanted to add.. correct me if I'm wrong.. at the time of the tweet, he said he was 20,21 yrs old . And wasn't Hailey a minor at that time?

[@budbudsky5466]

I'm so late to flawd and mo your reactions are 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥plus this 40 year old OG STAN LUVE EMINEM REACTIONS ARE 🔥🔥🔥.YOU GUYS KEEP IT REAL. RESPECT. YOU GUYS SHOULD DO EMINEM UNDERATED SONG EVIL TWIN. YOU GET SHADY AND EMINEM ON SAME SONG.

[@esaiasjones1635]

Evil Twin is one of my favorites from MMLP2. It’s bar heavy af tho…if Flawd does this one, it’s gonna be a long ass video 😂

[@Senseiseak]

Not much to say other than this is done so well and as fair as possible. Absolutely amazing video

[@dae8665]

Honestly the entire "beef" made me feel sad for MGK. Because I liked him as a person and as a rapper. He made some good songs, he has easy listening songs, like they're not too complex but they aren't so simple. They're fun in a way that you can listen repeatedly to them and have a good time vibing. And he always seemed to have real respect for Eminem, like he was often compared to Em because they were both single fathers raising their daughters. So you could feel MGK trying to balance being his own emcee and not a clone of Shady. But I think MGK just got blinded by greed OR he was blinded with a delusion that he was actually the "second coming white rapper" because he seems to have had a delusion of taking Em's place. Which just isn't possible, even if Em died, MGK wouldn't fill that role. I'm surprised that Rap Devil would be on the "repeatability" or "replayable" list, because some parts of it just feel so choppy that it makes me uncomfortable to hear it. Killshot (to me) is easier to listen to repeatedly, plus you pick up more doubles if you listen to it again. But to each their own. It definitely seems like a calculated publicity stunt on MGK and his team's front, just to gain followers and then catapult MGK into a different genre. It is possible that the whole thing was orchestrated by Interscope, but I don't know if Eminem would actually fall for a ploy to get someone else famous. He seems to genuinely want to help those that he thinks have talent. And Em clearly doesn't think MGK has any particular talents.

[@jodyhorn9389]

When i first heard Rap Devil, i thought it was kind of funny. MGK tried. My 1st thought after hearing it, If you are going to go after Em, you cant waste any time on your diss. You gotta make every single second count. MGK repeated the chorus 4 times. MGK lost before Em ever wrote his 1st bar