Who Was Mary the Mother of Jesus?

Jesus’ mother is present in all four of the canonical gospels and legends about her life were elaborated in apocryphal and pseudepigraphal works. Venerated as a saint, over time her cult evolved to fill the gap left by the Christian understanding of God for the divine feminine. John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place will consider what we can know about the historical Mary and will review the evolution of her mythology.
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[@xifangyangren9997]

I like this gentleman because he’s respectful and honest about the framework he uses to interpret scripture. I learn a lot from him.

[@tbone7193]

Topic idea: Zoroastrianism, An Introduction

[@Myke-ju5lg]

Medical fact.Women could not get pregnant without having sex until 1978 when Louise Brown was the first test tube baby.This virgin Mary story is complete nonsense.About time deluded idiots grew up.

[@andreteixeira5635]

Excellent class, thank you! Greetings from a Roman Catholic from Brazil.

[@while.coyote]

I think Mark was trying to make Jesus be a NORMAL guy who got raised to divineness for his faith, so for Mark, Mary would explicitly NOT be a virgin, just a normal woman with a normal family. I think Mark was trying to tell us we could all be Jesus, that it didn't require special circumstances to become divine, it just requires following the divine path. But later Christians hated the idea of any riff-raff could be a son of god and completely rewrote that out of the story.

[@barryrichins]

Thanks, John, I enjoy listening to your work---Barry.

[@user-rg9yz5ou4y]

The story of Jesus and the elders in the temple sounds like a Bar Mitzvah story to me. Present-day bar-mitzvahs are usually conducted in a way almost identical to the description of Jesus' conversation with the elders in Luke. After the bar-mitzvah boy complets his reading of the weekly portion from the Torah scroll on the bima (Hebrew for podium), the revered rabbis who have been invited by the parents to witness the ceremony ask him a series of questions, usually very tough ones, about passages from the Jewish scriptures, or even later Jewish holy writings (the Mishnah, the Gemara,, Rashi Maimonides Mitvah Torah, the Shulchan Aruch, and other post-biblical writings that are considered sacred by Orthodox Jews). The bar-mitzvah boy then answers all or nearly all the these questions correctly. The elders present as witness then exhort him to even more intense Torah study in the future, as well as "deeds of torah"--meaning putting Torah principles to practice in his everyday life. Luke's description of Jesus and the elders in the temple is therefore our earliest witness to the antiquity of the bar-mitzvah ceremony, dating its origin at least as far back to the second temple age.

[@maxsonthonax1020]

Intriguing.

[@adamchapman6530]

It's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure the idea of bar mitzva existed at that time. It appears in rabbinic literature only many centuries later.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Certainly, such testing is done in the presence of family and friends. Jesus seems to have slipped away from those folks to have a confab with the religious leaders. Paul said something curious in Galatians, that he went back to Jerusalem to see if what he was teaching was kosher (so to speak) but only after having spent years preaching his gospel. I'm sure Jesus was exercising the same muscles. Was His interpretation inline with what the mainstream was teaching? When I got saved again, I tested what I had learned against what my denomination teaches. The doctrines do NOT line up. So, maybe they had some kind of testing that they performed and I'm sure Jesus went through it. But it was probably not a lot of Rabbinic Judaism, as that sect hadn't taken over Judaism yet. But it was not a formal meeting that Jesus was attending because, if it was, His family would have been there - and they were not.

[@maxsonthonax1020]

When is the live audience coming back? Now I miss them!

[@atheistapostate7019]

This should be interesting for sure! I love these lectures and I just watched Dennis McDonald talking about how he thinks Mary M was a mythical character.

[@fernly2]

My soul does magnify the Lord. Through the idea of sacrifice as in the shedding of blood to deliver a viable infant to planet earth, to give training of the infant mind to assure the infant thrive sun to adulthood requires more careful rifice all to the mission of magnifying the process of Creation is incredibly clever. As the noosphere expands we participate in the process as in a perpetual motion system. Our species make mistakes and we learn from them! We learn forgiveness and patience. Ty for your work.

[@wendellrider1212]

And a virgin? Wait!

[@constantine8137]

Great channel. Amazing content.

[@VSP4591]

Excelent video. Very interesting. Thank you.

[@c.cryder8398]

Love your insights. Your clarity is somewhat vague. I still appreciate it, given the volume of scope. Please - keep it up. Every now and then I can glean a point of revelation. Knowledge is good. Cheers!

[@unrecognizedtalent3432]

Interesting enough to deserve a standing ovation, in my opinion!

[@user-xw6xp8ue6u]

Thank u so much for an excellent delivery. Freedom! Incidentally whilst looking for fractal patterns in life now there’s a Q in the James Bond films. I thought there used to be a Mrs Moneypenny but I maybe mistaken!! My Aunts maiden name was Moneypenny! 🎊 🎉❤

[@opengnosis8555]

Can you explain more on what it means to be a temple virgin, please?

[@ChrisDowgin]

I believe Mary in Egyptian means beloved. This also casts light on other times that people are referred to as the 'beloved' disciple. It opens up translation options by using a given name or the name's meaning. When is Smith a last name or a man that is a blacksmith?

[@joeychicago6322]

Thank U for mentioning her temple youthful life. And yes the whole clean Jewish thing was a thing. But she was like today's nuns of the catholic church. Her marriage was a holy union with st Joseph. They were beyond innocent and in love with Jesus and truly were like best friends to each other who would die for on another. Very touching. Her virginity was not a issue cut early Christians at all. Only the Jews and later now the protestants!!!

[@TheMargarita1948]

I tend to use the “it” pronoun for Jehova. Is that offensive in some way to believers?

[@eldraque4556]

thank you

[@kimberlyferguson9476]

I am very grateful for these topics 🙏Can you speak to the topic of the lost years and Jesus in India before he comes back to speak to his Jewish people?

[@bird401]

That’s total hokum.

[@lizardbyte]

This lecture should be listed first as religion, philosophy and then history!

[@paperback10]

Excellent lecture.

[@tbone7193]

Topic idea: Albert Schweitzer's view on the historical Jesus "....or is that too narrow?

[@ralfpijnaker151]

So how old exactly was Mary when she was "conceived" by the holy spirit?

[@sexii3292]

14:00 it said i that the carpenter's son? Isnt his mother named marry? In Matthew 13. So both mother and father were mentioned.

[@MentallyRetardedHamilton]

The Bible was written for people who looked at the world as a mystical place capable of miracles. Intentional mystification of the people was neceessary to keep power. Every word, every symbol had multiple meanings for a complicated group of people. The Bible has been re-written in many parts to keep it tame enough for the British and larger colonial audience, which is more of a singlular homogenious experience. The Bible's many poetic and metaphoric meanings have been lost to an audience that presumes it is to be taken literally.

[@veryoldjohnson]

Hello John, The grands and I enjoyed our trip to Canada, and our one day sojourn to Toronto. Sorry we missed you, but I did speak to Landor (?) while we were there. Beautiful city, Toronto!!! Isn't there ALWAYS a Female/Mother/Sky Queen goddess in ALL religious/belief systems? Very clever contrast of Eve/Mary-Serpent/Gabriel!!!

[@TheMargarita1948]

Isn’t there always a “Great Mother”? Yes, of course there is. However much the Abrahamists tried to suppress the true natural religion of humankind with their nature-hating philosophy, they could not suppress humanity’s intuitive knowledge of our divine Mother. I conjecture that the Reformation was another attempt to destroy the worship of the Great Mother. It has been rather successful got the past half-millenium. But the redress of this imbalance is as inevitable as the change of the seasons on our sacred planet.

[@fernly2]

Maybe the next spiritual platform won’t have much of a female deity. Check out Robert Lanza “Biocentrism” It’s more a genderless spirit to wrap your head around! Quite easy to just kick it in with whatever myth we previously held. Enjoy🥰

[@joeychicago6322]

She stated that she is the Immaculate Conception! Jesus also is a Immaculate Conception! Joseph was not a old man. Tradition has it that he was spared his misery from living threw his loving Sons Passion. His life was amazing having know closely Jesus and his Mater, being a part of the Holy Family.

[@adamfrederick4198]

Would it have been an occurrence back then for ones family ie mother and brothers to be involved in any way with their child who may have had a life like Christ is claimed to have had in scripture. Especially for his brothers to take up his mantle of preaching and leadership or for his mother and brothers to follow him around in his ministry

[@joeychicago6322]

Y would it not b st John at the foot of the cross?! Come on. Wow to u who changes one jot or title of My Word!

[@lisamaria661]

Your a great speaker, thank you for sharing your knowledge and time!

[@stephanyfaycohen3842]

This picture and description is the "angelic" Mother Mary. Not many people know or would believe that she also has a more "normal and down to earth" side to her. She is a very beautiful soul, inside and out.... and if she prefers to be an "old woman" in the 4th and 5th Dimensions.

[@Will-xf3qe]

In the 4th and 5th dimension? K lol. what's she like in the 6th dimension? Or the 7th?

[@stephanyfaycohen3842]

@@Will-xf3qe In higher dimensions Mother Mary is a very beautiful soul of Light - love and healing. She is also a CAT-PEOPLE person. As is her other spirit son Archangel Michael. Jesus carries the FOX and REPTILIAN energy. Archangel Gabriel is also a REPTILIAN.

[@VirginAngeljs]

Where does Virgin Mary come from?

[@A.H_09]

˹Remember˺ when the wife of ’Imrân said, “My Lord! I dedicate what is in my womb entirely to Your service,1 so accept it from me. You ˹alone˺ are truly the All-Hearing, All-Knowing. When she delivered, she said, “My Lord! I have given birth to a girl,”-and Allah fully knew what she had delivered-“and the male is not like the female. I have named her Mary, and I seek Your protection for her and her offspring from Satan, the accursed. ”So her Lord accepted her graciously and blessed her with a pleasant upbringing-entrusting her to the care of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah visited her in the sanctuary, he found her supplied with provisions. He exclaimed, “O Mary! Where did this come from?” She replied, “It is from Allah. Surely Allah provides for whoever He wills without limit.” (The Holy Quran; Surah-Ali'İmran; ayat-35-37)

[@joeychicago6322]

Good question, y do others deny the outstanding proof eyewitnesses of mother Mary asking us to constantly come to her son. To ask her to pray to Him for us that She is our Mother! Great question! Its all over the world at this point, and yet many sadly do not believe. Many shall call her blessed. Her soul both magnify the Lord!!

[@rosh___k___5187]

Hail Mary.. ever Virgin... Mother of God Jesus !! ❤❤

[@felicededuyo7999]

Transcript please

[@whidoineedthis]

Why wasn't the simple fact that virgin has different meanings brought out? There's a difference between Almah and Bethuelah

[@shamsdoha952]

😊More then 25 times Prophet Jesus is mentioned inThe Quran, His mother , Mary, is mentioned as the Most Praised worthy woman inThe whole world.

[@33ketamine33]

The Issa of Bible is not YESHUA of Bible.Issa is Zeus. Mary who is praised in Quran is Venus and not Yeshua's mother Mary

[@MyheartPalestinianMuslims]

​@@33ketamine33Assalamu alikum to you brother, just like Isa pbuh said to his disciples in John 20:19. Please read the Qur'an and you'd learn the wrong information, (zeus nonsense) is just cruel to say without knowing. Peace and blessings brother or sister.

[@Gods_Reprieve_]

Lmfao you wish 😂😂😂

[@MyheartPalestinianMuslims]

@@Gods_Reprieve_ Assalamu alikum brother. I can understand your response. Your right the name jesus and mary is not mentioned in our Qur'an. It's Maryam and Isa.

[@cosba-nl1hk]

Bro who cares about your quaran?

[@mitchellhedden1978]

I follow when he says that God transcends gender but I’ve never heard Him referred to using they/them pronouns. He can transcend gender and still be represented as male, that makes sense to me.

[@indrawinangun2392]

Quran mentioned Mary in one chapter, story about Mary. In the Quran at the Surah Maryam. Surah mean chapter. In Gospel, there is no book of Mary. Only in Quran explains in detail.

[@unrecognizedtalent3432]

I'm running out of Centre Place videos to watch! This is terrible! 🙂😊😊😊

[@andylyon3867]

Spiritual is not in the mind. Reading a spiritual work is to inspire, move into spirit in a guided balanced way, and even to cause your own knowing to arise due to reading a Spiritual work. The four gospels specifically are each to over come an imbalance of one of the four humors. If one humor is imbalanced reading the corresponding gospel over and over will correct that imbalance and cause experiences mirroring this imbalance to occur less in ones life. Rudolf Steiner and teachers inspired by him detail this if one is interested in looking deeper.

[@shanejohns7901]

I agree with Dr. Richard Carrier's take on Jesus -- more likely than not a fictitious character. So that would likely mean that Mary is also a fictitious character. This is not the least bit uncommon. Utnapishtim is also likely a fictitious character.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Notice how the presenter states his case. He talks about Matthew adding this and that with the implication that the author is just making things up. News flash: Just because it's not in the Gospel of Mark doesn't automatically mean it's bullcrap. I don't know why these Taborites find it necessary to suggest that.

[@venenareligioest410]

Mary was relatively insignificant to Christianity until Ambrose, who lived in Rome before going to Milan as its bishop, venerated Mary as an example of Christian life and is credited with starting a Marian cult of virginity in the 4th century.

[@srich7503]

Im thinking her pregnancy of our Lord and the raising of Him was no menial task.🤷🏽‍♂

[@venenareligioest410]

@@srich7503 "Which is more likely - that the whole natural order is to be suspended, or that a jewish minx should tell a lie?" David Hume

[@srich7503]

@@venenareligioest410 Hume never said that. The quote appears to come from Christopher Hitchens. Here's something Hume did say, in the essay “Of miracles”: When anyone tells me, that he saw a dead man restored to life, I immediately consider with myself, whether it be more probable, that this person should either deceive or be deceived, or that the fact, which he relates, should really have happened. I weigh the one miracle against the other; and according to the superiority, which I discover, I pronounce my decision, and always reject the greater miracle. If the falsehood of his testimony would be more miraculous, than the event which he relates; then, and not till then, can he pretend to command my belief or opinion. To which you might say “it still is a good point, no?” To which i would say sure, just as much as my post is as well. 👍🏻

[@venenareligioest410]

@@srich7503 You are wrong! A little knowledge etc etc! Go to any collection of David Hume quotes and search for the word ‘Minx’.

[@cleopatra999MAG]

Cleopatra VII-I’am the reincarnation!!!

[@joekerby6330]

Do you know that there were at least 13 other women in history who were said to give virgin birth, well before the year 1.... it was a way to give respect to very important women, like the mothers of the Egyptian Pharaohs.

[@trishfevens9297]

Use the Hebrew names, the Hebrew names used were very common. Mary's Hebrew name is Mariam, Jesus's Hebrew name was Yoshua, which is the Greek Joshua.

[@dantallman5345]

I always wondered how the veneration of Mary developed. This was very informative. Hey, maybe that last large group appearance of Mary in 1999, staved off the Y2K debacle. That whole deal did seem to resolve way too easily. 🙂

[@TheMargarita1948]

Mary has been venerated under many names since long before Abrahamism existed. I rejected Catholicism and all forms of theism over 50 years ago. Mary has stayed with me. She is my mother. She is compassion and love. She accepts all her children, in their vast variation, all through the history of humanity and probably long before.

[@EnginAtik]

Niobe is relevant here for children were slain.

[@exoplanet11]

Another excellent lecture. I'm glad John made the connection between virgin (parthenos, Παρθένος) and the Parthenon, dedicated to the Virgin Athena. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena_Parthenos Greeks were worshipping divine virgins for a long time. It appears that to make the Jewish sect of Jesus-followers more palatable to Greeks the idea of a divine virgin was added to the religion. It worked! Greeks took up the new religion in large numbers and wrote the New Testament.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

I'm a biblical trinitarian and I believe (like the bible says) that the Son is the Creator God and He became one of us. Catholics (and most trinitarians) teach that the Father is the Creator, which the New Testament really doesn't support.

[@cleopatra999MAG]

Én❤

[@atlas_rhea]

Jesus never knew his father. That’s why he doesn’t have a “ben Joesph”. Probably a Roman soldier like how the Life of Brian jokes. That would make sense and put JC as a man between worlds. Half-breed. His other siblings were his younger step-siblings from Mary and Joseph.

[@wendellrider1212]

Oops! Hard to keep It all straight! LOL!

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Prophetesses were a reality in Paul's churches. In 1 Cor. 11, Paul gives instructions for people speaking in the assembly. This is what he says about women: 1 Cor. 11:5 - But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. This is not in conflict with what Paul wrote to Timothy. If women are just blurting out questions in the middle of the service and causing disruption then they need to keep quiet. The same would be true of any man who would do that but it didn't seem like men were doing that. We're hearing one side of a telephone conversation. We don't know what prompted Paul to write what he did to Timothy. Now, if we had Timothy's letter to Paul then we would understand why Paul told Timothy what he told him. But to leap to the conclusion that the Pastoral Epistles are fake just because we don't like the content is an old Atheist trick. Nobody takes these Atheists seriously.

[@hornplayer1228]

Mary was a pure Heavenly spirit who volunteered to incarnate on earth to perform the task of being the mother of Jesus. Modern Holy Spirit teaching informs us that she was the youngest daughter of the Archangel Rafael. Worldly men changed the Biblical accounts of Mary from "a young woman" into a virgin, misguidedly trying to preserve Her purity of soul which remained pure in any case. Her purity came from the fact that She had not participated in the Heavenly revolt that resulted in the fall of the angels and thus, like all the pure Heavenly beings on earth before Her, was able to ascend to Heaven in the same style of Moses and Elijah. Instead of normal physical death their bodies were simply dissolved or dematerialised. Mary was a willing partner in the conception of Jesus but Joseph, who would never have consented, was simply "overshadowed by the spirit of a Most High" while in a trance-like state oblivious to what was happening. Prior to the crucifixion evil spirits could possess and control the bodies of humans whenever they pleased and according to the same spiritual laws so could God's spirits.

[@yiannimil1]

stick to the horn

[@andrewisjesus]

no the mark crucifixion mary aint the mother

[@joeychicago6322]

Y even mention the goofy prots.? And at the end? Mary is...

[@oliviaoreilly4645]

Mary is a virgin and never had another child after Jesus

[@trishfevens9297]

Sorry, Jesus's Hebrew name was Jeshua, which is Joshua in Greek.

[@revalationrevaltion9291]

Mary was not sinless . It's why she said about Jesus my god and my S A V I O R?

[@joeychicago6322]

To b truly full of grace!!! Hello sinless! She is the greatest creature creation ever! She was Immaculatly Conceived!! I mean I just am at a lose of words at this point. I mean the back wood protestants r one thing but come on man think deeper, meditate on this in a quiet place and just ask for it, praise the Holy Spirit, u r smart enough for this. Trust me! B patient for it, keep asking.

[@joeychicago6322]

What a bout her cousin the mother of John the Baptist? She didn't condemn her! Like I said only Jew non believers might of had an issue of her virginity period!

Thank you, John. Watched tons of your contents, and I believe you got it right in a macro scale. Something miraclulous happened. Some wonderful person walked on earth just like Gandhi. He ministered. He taught. He didn't write anything because he was to bussy teaching. Then he left. After that, people now need to deal with pratical issues. The Romans are still here. The Jewish cominity is till persecuting. People still are in need of meaning. So they provide it the best they could. First paul, who knew how to write... and better (what would pay off later) knew who to build a better more accepting moviment. Then, after he was known, he comes James and Mark: lets write about it, get our version going. No bad intentions: just what they thought was best. They create a moviment concurrent with Pauls. They are a little less appealing, a little more conservative, a little too much Jewish "lets do circumcision on them all", a little more loosing. Then comes Matthew, tries to work it all up together for a male audience.... Then comes Luke (who will later also write acts), and tries to work it all up together for a female audience.... while all this is happening, the three Johns are doing their own thing, which sometimes looks very good, sometimes is Revelation-wierd, but hey, it kinda works. And none of them had bad intention. They truely believe they were doing the best thing. There is no conspiration in all of them. Finally, Paul's Church tryumphant, Roman support... lets wrap it up guys, that is getting too messing, there are people exagerating, we are kind of starting to look ridiculous. Then okay, lets get the best material together, it might take some concils to do it, then lets focus on philosophying about them. It's a wonderfull historical phenomenum, filled with meaning, that is affecting people's lives until this very moment. It's beautiful to understand why it worked so well, and still does even to this very day.

[@joeychicago6322]

Very tru, veneration not worship protestants started very early. Once Jesus acended into Heaven, she be came the closest and most Holy thing on earth but only because Christ went up. People made pilgrimage to Her to pray to our Lord and u better believe he herd her and still does because she is next to him now! She was Assumed up Protestants!!! Know history and b as smart as us, PLEASE!

[@bluesky6985]

Mary was half Judah half Levite 😊

[@DavidSmith-kf4ge]

It’s amazing and slightly amusing that hardly anyone agrees on anything on this website, which really tells you that everyone wants the contents of the bible to confirm their own narrative, to satisfy their own wants, needs and desires. This means that there is no truth in any of this and it’s been proven by all of you. You’ve all actually destroyed god.

[@echolalia682]

Is that Gonzalo fucking Lira?

[@onlylove556]

Jesus brothers are not there going to Egypt, if u say they were born later, well they're not there when Jesus was 12 @ the temple, nor @ the Cross. Idk why we are ignoring all the great faithful church fathers that came b4 us all... Bc the consensus teachings of the church fathers taught in Mary's Perpetual virginity, & Mother of God...

[@joeychicago6322]

Where is it written that his family restrained him?? Wut are u talking about? Where's evidence! His mother fully understood his mission! She was twice in the presence of the Holy Spirit! He never rejected his family. Wen he said this who is my family it simply ment that we r all his family. In fact the Marian Gospel, st Luke's, look at that passage. Its written, my family is good. We know and u should know that Mary commanded the Apostles to keep her as much out of the Bible for her son's glory but of course st Luke still gave us her Magnificot! Which is very telling! Also Jesus had to of visited his mama during his 40 days of Resurrection, but it's not in the Bible and the Gospel clearly states that these r only but a few of the things Jesus did but cannot b written of, so u have to at some point have some kinda deep understanding of this and I'm a simple but learned Lay Faithful...

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

The Jewish translators in the third century BC translated it "virgin". Is. 7:4 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Jehovah will give you a sign. A virgin will conceive. Wow! That sounds like a sign because if it was just an ordinary young woman then that wouldn't be a sign at all, would it...? No. For it to be a "sign" (as in signs and wonders) it had to be a virgin conceiving and baring a son. Otherwise, it's no sign at all. The Greek translators didn't have to prove that Jesus was NOT the Messiah like the Masorites did. That's why they translated it "virgin" (because it makes better sense as a "sign" than just some chick getting pregnant). In the 10th century AD, the Jews had a problem that they needed to solve. This Jesus was looking too much like the Savior - that they totally missed - and so they had to change the language from what it meant back in 250 BC. The agenda of the Jewish religious establishment changed the meaning of that word. It was a political agenda. The Jews will not have Jesus reign over them. The "mistranslation" sounds like it's the Masoretic translator rather than the Jewish translation into Greek. The Greek translators didn't have an anti-Jesus axe to grind.

[@joeychicago6322]

Mary is the greatest disciple of Jesus and had absolute knowledge of the plan. She knew this by st Simeon and so on. She was his mother! She had him in her! One must ponder these things. look into the wedding at Cana! Just because it isn't necessarily written one who reads and searches this should start to understand this simple truth period! Wut r u a blind protestant?! We also know that she was at the foot of the cross for goodness sakes, it's written! Just because it doesn't call her a virgin wut? She's not? She was most likely like a nun and gave herself to the church! Therefore she was always to b a virgin! Cute wen she says do wit ever he tells u, mama wins. Jesus perfectly honored his mother and father! It is a commandment!!

[@kenmcclellan]

Talmud and Mandaean Book of John knew her as a Babylonian princess. A Babylonian princess could be a vessel. See Amos 3:2. The royal family goes back to Sumer and came from on high.

[@tbone7193]

Topic idea: "Spiritual Beliefs of the Native North Americans". Obviously there were hundreds of different tribes , but didn't they have the same basic beliefs?

[@begoodever8584]

Mary is the mother who born Jesus without father while she is vergin. She is our lady and symbol on Islam,our lovely lady. In quaran, whole sura is named sura of Mary. In uslam ,if any Muslim said bad thing for Mary or Jesus or denied her virginity will be out of Islam and rejected Peace fir our lady Mary either respect

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Regarding the prayer to the Mother of God, please note that the prayer does not name Mary. this papyrus was found in Egypt (Coptic country) and could have been a prayer to any "mother of god" figure. Semiramis was the mother of Tammuz. This mother and son worship was all over the Middle East and beyond. So, finding a prayer to the unnamed "mother of god" is not a Christian find but rather just some more pagan text that is all over the world.

[@joeychicago6322]

Brother it was told by Mary and she was prophesising about the future. U should know that Luke's gospel is the Marian gospel meaning, he went to her for help. Wut r u trying to disprove? R u a protestant and u just can't wrap your head around the fact that us Catholics get it right with our Sanctus Mater Daei?

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@joeychicago6322 - I was raised Catholic. I know what goes on there. I'm not some Johnny-come-lately. Catholicism is a system of deception. I'm told by Catholics, "Oh, we don't pray TO Mary." Then I cite the Memorare, which is an entire prayer addressed to Mary. Oops! "Oh, we don't pray to saints." And then I remind them of what my mom told us kids, "If you misplace something, Pray to Saint Anthony." Oops again. This bobbing and weaving to get out from under the truth - that Catholicism = Paganism - is a fulltime job. This "Luke's Gospel is the Marian Gospel" is a bunch of latter day nonsense. Find me a single statement to that effect anywhere in Luke's writings. That kind of roll your own truth nonsense is RAMPANT among Catholics and it goes well beyond that which is written. 1 Cor. 4:6 (NIV) - Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. Catholicism goes beyond what is written as a matter of course. It's codified in Catholic dogma - the pope trumps the word of God. That dogma elevates the pope above God's own word and everybody in the Catholic Church just smiles and nods in agreement. They don't know any better. I was never encouraged to read the bible to learn about God. Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church. If the gates of hell have indeed prevailed against it then it is not the church of Christ. Now, look at the blood-soaked history of that Roman mess. If the gates of hell have not prevailed that thing then there's no such thing as hell. Wake up!

[@joeychicago6322]

@@GizmoFromPizmo what goes on there? If u were raised right u wouldn't b having this ignorant text period. Y are u sooo bothered? Do u even have a vast knowledge of history? I mean u practicality wrote a novel bro?? U have none cause of your hatred which is a no no my friend. Come on getta life will ya?? Go and do more Bible study and think you've went t to church. I know wut goes on there, lmao!!!!

[@AJWRAJWR]

​@@GizmoFromPizmoWhy do you disrespect mother Mary exactly? What's the gripe? I think you may have mummy issues.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@AJWRAJWR - My "mummy issues" (Egyptian and otherwise) aside, I have more respect for Mary than any Catholic I know. I treat her as a godly woman - a beautiful young lady who God graced with His Seed. I honor her as a Jewess, who would shriek in horror if she knew that people were treating her as a goddess. Jews are a little touchy about such things, you know. I respect the word of God, which tells us everything we can know about this lady. I honor her as I would honor any character in the scriptures, male or female. Only Jehovah Elohim (The LORD God) is to be worshiped. Is Abraham a godly figure? Yes. Is Sarah? Yes. Is Isaiah? Yes. Is Moses, Joseph, Peter, Paul, etc.? Yes. But we don't build shrines and statues to these people because God doesn't like His image making such images. I honor the words in the Book of Wisdom, which describes in detail the evolution of idolatry. It describes it and condemns it. So, whether I have "mummy issues" or not is neither here nor there. What matters is the word of God. And the word of God has precious little to say about this great woman of God. All that Catholic stuff is third century and later mythology made up by people selling an ungodly agenda. Don't trust anybody selling relics and the like.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

He rejects the Epistle of Paul as a forgery but then he accepts the Epistle of James, claiming that it was authored by the brother of Jesus. Where does James call himself the brother of Jesus in his epistle? Nowhere, that's where. But James Tabor accepts it as such and so the sheep who are in Tabor's flock all say the same thing.

[@MentallyRetardedHamilton]

Mary said, "I'm a pregnant virgin, my unborn son is the son of God. I hang out with Joseph so you don't think I'm a lesbian, we never have sex." Sleeping with animals was the custom for all people in the geographical area of the Bible story. Jesus goes on to seek congress with harlots/criminals. Love, love, love becomes your football team. Mark, the 1st copy of it, has no resurrection story; Jesus died, the end.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

The disciple whom Jesus loved, was the author of the Gospel of John. That's clear from the text. Since none of the Gospel writers identify themselves, we don't know for sure who this is from the isolated text of the Gospel of John. But, connecting the dots, there is only one New Testament writer who refers to Jesus as "the Word". That writer is the Apostle John. And so, we can be sure that the Gospel of John was indeed written by John the Apostle because all these works are in his style. Jn. 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 1 Jn. 1:1 - That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; Rev. 19:13 - And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. John is the writer of Revelation and so the identification trickles down from their to add credence to the tradition of assigning these works to that author. That's how that's done. Matthew is written by Matthew because of what the Gospel of Matthew says about Matthew.

[@revalationrevaltion9291]

Pagans have QUEEN OF HEAVEN ????

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Here's how much this guy knows: A) Nobody ever became a "Christian" in the course of Jesus' ministry. That statement betrays a complete misunderstanding of the Covenants - which one would expect from a Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist, or Jehovah's Witness. B) In Acts 1, you said that the disciples didn't know what to do. But if you actually read the accounts, you know that by Acts 1, Jesus had already appeared to the disciples in Galilee and told them what to do. Luke doesn't record it but the Great Commission is on record as happening between Passover and Pentecost. Acts 1 picks up in the season of Pentecost where Jesus appears to the disciples and tells them to "tarry in Jerusalem until" they be "endued with power from on high." So, if you actually read the text instead of making things up as you go, you can see that the disciples very much knew what to do and when to do it. Of course, that fact doesn't feed the Atheist narrative that Jesus and the apostles were a bunch of goofballs blindly wandering around wondering who they were and what the were to do next.

[@dominiqueubersfeld2282]

Who was Mary, the niece of Donald Trump?

[@joeychicago6322]

St Mark was not hated and he was ordered by st Peter the first Pope of Rome to write a Gospel, I can't remember if it was the first. It was ment for the Romans unlike st Mathews which is more for the Jews. All gospels r great and from different points of views. I believe st Johns was the last, this can b looked up by the way...

[@joeychicago6322]

St Joseph had to b no more than 30 yrs and our Mother was no younger than either 16,18 or even 20. There is evidence but sorry u must not b Catholic.

[@joeychicago6322]

The Apostle list is the originals but all of their helpers and scribes and us all today r Apostles. With the exception of st Luke, because he was as also close to our Mother and wrote a GOSPEL! That makes him a mention.

[@kankikankkinen2670]

Mary was 15 and roman soldier was real father, Joseph was 50, they stoned women If had children without huspand

[@yiannimil1]

and many mothers claimed their children out of wedlock were godly offspring as a means to protect them

[@whidoineedthis]

Panthera? You been listening to James Tabor?

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Quackery. "Christ is recognized as the feminine component of the trinity..." One thing I've noticed about these "experts" is that they don't seem to ever remember reading the scriptures that they hold themselves out to be experts in. Jesus is not considered a feminine aspect of the trinity. Nothing in New Testament theology comes even close to suggesting that. He is the Bridegroom and the church is the bride. Real Christians understand this relationship. Jesus is the husband and is head of His body, the wife - just as a husband is head of his wife in day to day life. THAT is mainstream Christianity and not the comic book junk this charlatan is peddling. Everybody dig deep and help support this guy so that he can go out and buy a bible and actually read and understand it.

[@AJWRAJWR]

Hey, dum dum. Do you realise that he's looking at this from an objective academic view of various Christian thought through the ages? He isn't up there to preach a sermon of his own personal spiritual beliefs.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@AJWRAJWR - I don't care about his bogus credentials. If some so-called "expert" is telling me the sky is green, I'm going to call BS. The truth is, he does not know half the New Testament and the half he does know, he doesn't believe. Some expert, eh?

[@joeychicago6322]

Wrong my friend. This wasn't a sometimes argument it is tru that Jesus never had siblings period! Mother Mary is the ark of the new covenant according to St John's writings and she was holy therefore she never was defiled! This is a virtuas life of the saints also, even st Paul explained this in his epistles! Y wouldn't his familius then b at the foot of the cross?? Y only st John and the other Mary? At dome point u have to have a deeper understanding of this! Theatokos.

[@joeychicago6322]

Sex if done wrong is a sin and the abuse of it. Pagans we r not!

[@whidoineedthis]

Only when a person cheats, homosexual relations, or when you have sex with family members an animals. That's when sex is bad.

[@donnakeizer1468]

Mary was natural Jesus was GOD JOHN 1 -1-18 .....DOnt worship Mary or the saints, inREV. 22.9 Then saith He u to me,See thou do it not, for I am a fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them...... WORSHIP GOD., 1 JOHN 5.7 ..... don’t even worship archangels, .....ONLY GOD.

[@denisbuwembo7695]

Stop pushing your trans ideology on God. The first thing you bring up and the trans argument. It doesnt matter. God has always identified as he. There was no she untill God so that man waa bited and created him a companion.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

There's a lot of conjecture in this guy's teaching. He tells us that certain epistles of Paul weren't written by Paul and he says that using the authority of the unnamed "experts". ("Expert is a euphemism for "unbeliever.") But then he confidently assumes that there is a "Q source". This "Q source", which no one has a copy of is real but the real text of a real Apostle is considered fake. Some expert, eh?

[@wwiels]

Quite peculiar how you denounce his reference to authorities while the single point you make is based on... 😊

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@wwiels - The video's authority is not based on the authority of the word of God but on some other authority. All my religious authority is solidly based on "thus saith the Lord." His theology is "loosely" based on some ancient writings - some real and some imagined (Q Source, for example). How much good is that kind of religion going to do anyone? None. So, it's fake religion (add that one to your repertoire, Donald Trump). There is no respect for thus saith the Lord because to guys like this, "the Lord" is a fiction - a myth. There's no genuine search for God in any of it. It's all just so much mocking and naysaying.

[@raymondrust9084]

What about the Mary visions like Lourdes, Fatima, etc. Any opinion about these reported visions?

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@raymondrust9084 - A true student of the scriptures speaks only where the bible speaks and where the bible is silent the student is silent. That's hermeneutics 101. So, my answer would be, "What does the bible say about apparitions like this?" Is there a biblical example of any person appearing to people after their death? If so, how was it received? (Think of King Saul, Samuel and the Witch of Endor). Can the devil appear as an angel of light? If so, how do we know the difference? The answer to that one is, you have to know how God operates. You see, when you're ignorant of the scriptures, then Satan can play a lot more tricks on you that he could not if you were armed with the knowledge of His word. So, what does Fatima, Lourdes and the like say in light of God's revelation? It doesn't say much and what it does say, it warns us against.

[@wwiels]

@@GizmoFromPizmo More like circular argument 101 :D

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Mary conceived as a virgin but if Jesus was born of her then she certainly did not remain a virgin. Something about the birthing process tends to wreck the hymen. Jesus was born and not simply borne.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

When one can accept a magical impregnation skipping the hymne, it's not a big leap to imagine a magical birth skipping the hymen.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

@@spiritualanarchist8162 - And indeed one did imagine another way. My question is this: What is the support in God's word for that idea? The answer is, None. It's because there is no fear of the Lord that these charlatans generate all this extra biblical garbage. What if these authors had value for the word of God as revealed in the first century? My guess is that they wouldn't add to it or take away from it. But they don't, so they do.

[@joeychicago6322]

The theory of the Trinity wasn't invented, it was pondered and realised by the Holy Spirit.

[@patriciabackalnyc2157]

No we dont use pronouns for God!

[@ketiboablay8632]

The Hebrew Israelites were not white but black

[@AJWRAJWR]

So Jewish people are negroids according to you.. Not the last time I looked.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

BHI is wrong on alot of things!

[@williamkoscielniak7871]

They were most likely neither African nor Caucasian.

[@whidoineedthis]

​@@williamkoscielniak7871Caucasian people weren't invented yet. Please believe your bible

[@joeychicago6322]

Wen he calls hercwomen, it is not a slur. He spoke to her from the cross because she knew he had to start his ministry! He was 30 yrs old! Come on this is basic stuff! R u a protestant?!

[@ericksosa8252]

Jesus has a demon! Really! Blasphemy

[@joeychicago6322]

Lazarus and osirus? Come on man!!!! Way to much of the imaginations far reach...