Who was Placidusax's Consort?

#eldenring #eldenringlore #placidusax #empyrean #dragon
This video goes over what we can say about Placidusax's age, based on the environment and enemies of Farum Azula.
The music is from: John Kirkwood - Knight of a Dark Grail(1992)

[@xxfalconarasxx5659]

I think there might be a simpler answer to this question. I'm surprised you overlooked one really important detail about Placidusax, and that is the fact that it has two heads (and three stumps implying previously having more). I think the answer to who was Placidusax's consort was right in front of us the whole time during the boss fight. Zulie the Witch, a KZbinr who datamines the game, found that the two extant heads are labeled as "male" and "female" in the animation codes, which would suggest that Placidusax is probably a fusion of multiple entities in much the same way Marika and Radagon are. So Placidusax could very well be their own consort. The dragon is two entities in one body.

[@sorteinfame]

Then why they are described to be "awaiting" for the return of the consort? also biological sexes doesn't count that much, if we consider for example what Mohg wants to do with Miquella

[@Fullmetalnyuu0]

@@sorteinfame Placudisax is awaiting the return of his god, not a consort

[@sorteinfame]

@@Fullmetalnyuu0 the god IS the consort, as placidusax is a Lord, just like radagon and godfrey are lords to the God which is Marika

[@Quader417]

While i do somewhat agree with your analysis but if the cycle is is as cyclical as we(me) assume it is then it would make more sense that Placudusax isn’t the first Elden Lord of his era and probably usurped the previous. Now I’m not sure of all the implications that would have. Maybe Placidusax was once a completely separate dragon that literally fused with their consort giving it multiple heads and all the other stumps are just scars of previous elden lords who have been defeated. If this is the case this still has the issue that the other person pointed out why would the description say they’re awaiting the return of their God? I’m not exactly sure maybe they dont mean the physical entity of the God but its soul/mind. Maybe the stump was their consort and they’re waiting for it to regrow or reform in another way. I have no clue but it’s fun to speculate. U may be on to something but i think we’d need more information to confirm or deny it

[@Skandarr788]

⁠@@Quader417way too much extrapolation. Lord Placidusax lost 3 heads when fighting the golden order (iirc). He was always Lord, which means his consort was a god. Unlike what is said in the video I’m convinced Lords are a god’s consort and not an empyrean.

[@jaredcullum117]

It might be interesting to note that wolves appear from the wind to ambush you on the roads leading up to Stormveil castle. So there could be a connection to the storm empyrian

[@eliaseinerman4334]

I love that observation, it seems like such a random thing that they just appear out of nowhere but this could defiently give it some explanation

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

This is a great point. And this only happens in Stormhill correct? It's something I've experienced all the time in game but never thought about that much.

[@PonderingSai]

@@theeldenconspiracy9451 There are a few other locations where wolves appear to spawn via wind, not just near Stormhill. Near Gelmir Hero's Grave, along the road leading to Limgrave Colosseum from the Warmaster's Shack, and a few others I cannot quite remember.

[@pritzi101]

Not sure what happened with the random points where a different mic cuts in but the audio quality of that is way better. Adds a lot to the video! Hope you use it moving forward.

[@alexanderisaksen7764]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@puncherofbread]

Another big piece of support that there was a sun empyrean at some point is also found in the name of Castle Sol. Yes, Sol means Sun in Latin. But it is also the name of the Sun in Norse mythology. In Norse myth Sol, the sun and her brother Manì, the moon are chased by wolves through the sky causing night and day. So it would absolutely make sense if the consort that Placidusax is waiting for is the sun god who may have been chased off in a similar manner. It may have even been the fleeing of the sun empyrean that lead to the downfall of Placidusax's order and the rise of the Erdtree.

[@divinity8844]

Yeah I'm gonna watch a 20 minute video on who this five headed dragon was fucking. I love Elden Ring so god damn much

[@nerathi]

I think the hardest thing for me to consider and wrap my head around is how life and death work in the ER world. During Placidusax's era, only dragons were immortal. During Marika's reign she removed the rune of death from the natural order. I think in a lot of cases, we aren't seeing the decedents of the banished knights, we are seeing the OGs themselves. Anyway, I think it's interesting to take note then of the deathbirds, who are special only because they have a fire that can burn a creature to true death, before the time of the tree and Marika... and the rune of death being removed? It makes me wonder how many times death has been implemented or unimplemented in this setting. Also try your best to get consistent takes on the audio because it really do be sounding like two dudes doing a really low-energy duet.

[@ruviknoproblem]

I think that when destined death was in the natural order alot more spirits roamed around. Not as undead skeletons. I really like VaatiVidyas theory that the Erdtree is parasitic and was hit by the elden stars, the Helphen was a Great Tree before the Erdtree and maybe the Helphen was taken over by the Elden Stars to consume the souls of the dead. I also really like the theory that Marika was trying to remove destined death so that the Erdtree wouldn't eat the souls of the dead. Faraum Azula could be in a stasis because of the rune of destined death. Making the entire place between life and death. There is also a big difference in the red of destined death as we see it with maliketh, and the white destined death we see with the gloam eyed queen.

[@Quader417]

I think it would just depend on the God/Lord of that era. There was the Great Tree that stretched the entire lands between before the Erd Tree so i assume they got the idea of reabsorbing life back into the roots from a previous civilization, and for dragons to be immortal there would most likely have to be some altercation to the ruin of death instead of the outright removal of it. We see from shard bearers that great runes can be altered and we see from Goldmask, dung eater, and Fia that great runes can be completely created out of nothing. We see from the depiction of the elden ring in farum azula that the Elden ring has clearly changed from between dragons and humans so its most like just whoever controls the elden ring at the time controls how exactly death operates. Just my perspective on it at least.

[@FennEXE]

I believe that the Banished Knights are somewhat linked to Hoarah Loux/Godfrey. Which is also one of the reasons why they are in Farum Azula as Godfrey fought Placidusax, his last act as Elden Lord. Banished Knights were according to their item descriptions "forced to abandon their homes", which is what happened to Hoarah Loux and the Tarnished.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

6:50 Alright I've checked every single helmet in the game just to be sure before writing this comment and I have to say the consistent theme between 'standard' and 'altered' armors is that the altered armors are stripped down. Which means it's the reverse they were dragon loyalists first then they betrayed them for the Stormlords, which makes sense for two reasons. 1st of which the Cloak covers up the parts where the Dragon symbolism resided implying it's still there and 2) if they were always knights of the Stormlords their armor would have that insignia on it like all other knights. We see further evidence of this when we look at both versions of the Banished Knight chest armor. Both of them have the horn on the right shoulder indicating that the cloth was added afterwards. Now I will agree that for most cases the Altered version is just that, altered but it isn't a hard and fast rule as all altered versions are united in that they weigh less because they remove some of the garb, which means that either way the relation goes chronologically, the dragon version of the armor without the cloak and garb would always be marked as the altered version. Unless there's an exception that has an inverse relation that I missed, I think my point about the cloak covering what is a reasonable counter explanation

[@clarkwiggle]

Most underrated channel on yt❤

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Thanks!

[@user-jy4kb4wu1k]

Can I get a drink with those vocal fries? Great video, I like it.

[@Gooselaser]

Great video! While watching it I was able to solve the mystery! The true identity of the Gloam-Eyed Queen is Torrent.

[@Intentionallyfrogged]

wow this video is really good alot of great points and connections being made here!!👍🏾🙂

[@PerusingPanda]

Placidusax had 5 heads. Maybe there was a Consort/Empyrean for each of them. It seems pretty evident that the Age of the Ancient Dragons was synonymous with with something like an of Age of Balance, where many different factions and Gods ruled together. It would make sense to me that each head would represent an aspect of each of those Gods, and also why they would be summarily removed during Marika's regime. Great speculation as always! Please keep the unhinged theories coming ^_^

[@xxfalconarasxx5659]

Zulie, who datamines the game, found that the two heads are labeled as "male" and "female" in the animation codes, which would indeed suggest that Placidusax is probably a fusion of multiple entities in much the same way Marika and Radagon are. So Placidusax's consort is probably themselves. The dragon is two (once five) distinct entities in one body.

[@tylerbacklund9315]

I like to believe that the girl in there is miquella. We know that marika had a strong relation with maliketh, him being the protector of sorts to her like blaidd was to ranni. I know miquella isn’t marika and this is a big stretch but Renna(Ranni) gives us the wolf ashes saying it is from torrents former master. If it is miquella in the new dlc photo then we know she is the former master and those three wolves could be hers. The child also has very similar hair to miquella with the long flowing hair with a few braids as well. I’m not too sure if there is any lore bringing miquella to farum azula but there’s definitely a relation between maliketh and that family. Purely speculation and loved the video too!

[@DonutSwordsman]

I pray with all my heart it ends up being Gwyn and it ties to the Dark Souls universe. I believe there is too many connections and too unbelievable to have so much of the lore NOT contradict eachother. The game really feels like an extremely distant prequel, especially with the time=light aspect, origins of the dragons, dragons being made of stone and ancient in both games etc

[@Xandros999]

My personal theory is that Placidusax' God was The Sun. For no reason other than the Sun seems to have actually fled because it is distant and cold. The Sun Realm shield seems to depict the inner keep of Castle Stormveil. If not the same tower it is a very similar design: It is a rounded tower flanked by smaller towers and the doors are both peaked. Rounded towers are not very common. If the Sun was the God of Placidusax it is possible "the storm" was analogous to the root system of the Erdtree.

[@pawnshop_ghost]

This is really cool and interesting!

[@strafer8764]

The 2 heads in the cutscene as positioned resemble 2 fingers.

[@artrimd]

Very well thought out video, thank you! To add few more details, there are at least two direct mentions of a dead god. The 'Fingerprint Stone Shield is a 'part of a tomb of an ancient god", and Sacred Relic Sword that is "wrought from the remains of a god who should have lived a life eternal'. Stone shield might have a weak connection to Castle Morne, since it has a unique huge tombstone with a hole that has ornamentation quite similar to fingerprints on the shield. The whole split between two / three fingers and whatever lead to two remaining heads of Placidusax might happened around the same time, a disappearance / death of a god who reigned before Marika. As for Farum Azula statue, I always thought it was safe to say it is Marika herself, as an Empyrean, before the first interregnum war? The headband kind of suggests that, plus we do receive three wolves spirits from Renna, who seeks someone riding Torrent (if Torrent's former master is Miquella, Marika could.. well, this part becomes too speculative). But we do know that modern Empyreans have wolves as their shadows , which might be just a Marika's legacy if she was a huge stan of good bois.

[@geordiejones5618]

Kosmos has a great theory that it was the Gloam Eyed Queen. He puts together the argument really well. Timeline is hard to nail down but I like the idea.

[@bonniedark0]

I love your videos, the quality is fine we all can hear you lol and the lore is better than vaatis

[@minespatch]

I love how deathbirds resemble griffins. I hope Fromsoft shows more griffin enemies in the future. Funnily enough, in Firelink shrine graveyard, the gravestone with the zweihander has a image of a griffin.

[@ZanukaV]

something tells me you really like griffins....

[@minespatch]

@@ZanukaV yes. eue

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Yeah I would love to see From's take on Griffins. The sanctuary guardians were similar to griffins, but they were more like manticores. Still cool though!

[@minespatch]

@@theeldenconspiracy9451 Yeah, the Mausoleum/sanctuary gaurdians are cute because they're more cat like but I'd like to see more traditional gryphons in the future. Deathrite bird is pretty close due to the feline body and tail.

[@theshou7]

2:44 There's also another enemy type that used Ghostflame, which is the 'strongest' version of the singing bats. One of them can be found close to and right in front of the boss fight against the Magmar Wyrm Makar. Tibia Mariners can also use it in one of their abilities as far as i know.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

I didn't know that. There are some theories that Ghostflame is an "older" form of the flame of Destined Death. Black flame is already that, so things become complicated. I think it comes from the description of the grave violet. The hue of Ghostflame is said to be violet, but in the game it is pale. May just be changes mid-development, or something else.

[@benwil6048]

Farum azul was moved into the sky from Farum prob so no need to expect great tree roots there. It was prob right around Farum Greatbridge

[@cyberninjazero5659]

6:30 Yes! I posted this on the Stormhawk video but we got sidetracked on discussion about Godfrey and honor "[Timestamp to when you showed the original item description of Banished Knights] Wait a second that description says "Storm Aerie" and links it with the Dragons, sounds like this "Storm Aerie" is the homeland of the Stormhawks and they've been linked to the Dragons through this. Given that this was patched out, I think originally Storm Aerie and Farum Azula were the same place during earlier phases of development but as you noted the Architecture of Stormveil is too different from Azula to be continuous, so they were separated." "I think it's clearer to refer to the Stormhawk homeland as Storm Aerie to differentiate it from the Dragon and Beastmen realm of Farum Azula, given that we can more or less point out the probable location of Farum Azula on the map (northeast of Caelid, the Beast Sanctum is the only part of it left on the map) this is important because given that most Banished Knights settled in Stormveil it's clear that in the earlier build they made it as far as the shore but had no ships and in the new/later build we can only assume they got lost and didn't know where they were going. This is important because their various locations in game show that they did get scattered, with some being in the church of Dragon Communion, (closer to Farum Azula) and some making it all the way. I think the Banished were Dragon loyalists (their armor states that they "remained knights despite territorial losses") who came to admire Godwyn. It makes sense, he was the one who allied the Golden Order with the Dragons, it explains the presence of Banished Knights at Castle Sol. Alternatively they were Godwyn's Knights, the war with the Dragons was described as being particularly bloody and difficult, they could've been disgraced for losing ground in the war and sent off due to being too accomplished to strip of rank, this treatment leading to a respect of the dragons they fought, though I think this theory is less likely" If they were once one culture then we don't need to separate "Storm Aerie" it was just the original name for Farum Azula, they never stopped being one place at any point of development

[@cornthdl]

Speaking to the point of Stormveil not being the same architecture as Farum Azula, there is a vine pattern that is carved into and runs along the walls in Stormveil, Castle Morne, Castle Redmane, the Shaded Castle, the Fortified Manor, and Castle Sol. So whatever civilization built those, I believe was later than Farum Azula. However, it is interesting that the highest areas of Lyndell Capital, the Erdtree Sanctum especially, has identical architecture to Farum Azula's. The pillars, arched ceiling and iconograpy, and the elevator down to where the statue of Radagon/Marika is, are all found in Farum Azula.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

I mean, this is an interesting interpretation of the Storm Aerie mentioned in the old descriptions of certain Banished Knight items. This would mean that both FA and the Storm Aerie exist. That FA is already associated with storms would make this a bit over-complicated, but you never know From Software. Could be true.

[@Raphsophomes]

I believe the gloam eyed queen is actually the "outer god" of this land inherently. Death. And i believe melina sort of holds the gloam eyed queen similar to others harboring outer gods within themselves.

[@DankSlayer_Ornstien]

I think that it might be the gloom eye queen. I think that it works like this. Placidusax was the GEQ's consort, and therefore the first Elden lord. When Marika and the Erdtree came around and defeated her, she fled leaving Placidusax waiting for her return. Maleiketh was left there to make sure that the rune was safe from the GEQ and others( which failed). The Godskin later discovering the GEQ's power attempted to retrieve the rune of death, and failed. But the GEQ left the duo to look after Placidusax in case of her return.

[@headecas]

Wow u werent kidding when u said unhinged

[@kreadapelu8813]

Well, after watching the first minute and a half, I am going to blow the lid off your theories! Rennalla is the Gloam Eyed Queen! What? So move to the Academy Crystal Cave, in the day time, go through and climb the tower and then.. look at the slightly lower tower where Rennalla is imprisoned and take note of the statues. (Also, in the day, on that tower) look south and up and tell me what that is!!!!) Also, either at the statue spot with the alabaster lord type guy with the elevator above the abductor… there is a depiction of a scene like that above the door at the Chapel of Anticipation… (OR) it may be at the top of the the Carian Study Hall… I have distinct memory that one of those two has a slightly different depiction in which the big lady in the middle has a dumb tall hat like Rennalla

[@grantforte2145]

Love the vid but is there anyway you could be a little louder

[@aldosalas2722]

Also I feel and wish that the DLC's to come will touch on the different religions and past history of Elden ring that has been touch barely on the surface while playing the game.

[@HenryGreenEngine3]

An empyrean is a potential vessel for the Elden beast(which is the Elden ring) so perhaps a dragon empyrean of some kind (or maybe just the Elden beast itself with no vessel)

[@screeb1790]

1 head for each consort my man

[@HobbNoblin]

Would the Twinbird have really been a god in the same sense Marika was? The game repeatedly describes The Twinbird as an "envoy" or "emmisary", the same language used to describe the Elden Beast and the Two Fingers (at least, I think I'm remembering that right) Wouldn't it make more sense for The Twinbird to be a vassal beast, with the Deathbirds serving as its equivalent of the Two Fingers?

[@TheWetbones]

The videos premise that placidusax had a consort is incorrect. Placidusax WAS the consort to his god. He was the Elden lord before the erdtree, fulfilling a similar role to Godfrey. The god in question is not an outergod either.

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

I agree that the God in question is not an Outer God. And I used the term consort as interchangeable. It's true that Placi would have been the consort to whoever the God was. But I think the idea of the video is clear.

[@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710]

The godskin apostal can use a tornado ash of war, is that like a memory of a past battle? But the older nobles instead use noble presence. Did they fight with or against the dragons at some point?

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

Yeah, I've been wondering for a long time if Black Flame Tornado was a storm art. We already kind of see a possible connection between the Godskins and the ancient stormhawk clan. The attacks the gargoyles use are clearly storm-related. But I don't want to go all paranoid and assume everyone was inspired by the Stormhawk clan.

[@Terminator-ht3sx]

it was the dung eater

[@josephramirez7188]

I don't think I'm sold on the idea on most of the candidates of lord for Placidusax. here's why :3 1.) I believe that depictions of Deathbird imagery within the city is more evidence that the Death bird worship was subjugated. to show old habits within the order, like with Raya Lucaria. 2.) With castle sol, probably the nearest bullseye! Sun empyrean sounds pretty possible; but with lack of a champion mentioned coming from the castle.(like how Radagon and Godfrey are called before lordship.) more inclined that it could have been a early station for Farum Azula, with its own knightly house. but there is clear proof there castle sol tells more of how long its been around. how maybe the Beast men were knights of the sun realm. later being pasted down to later gen' humans. 3.)I truly think that E.C's original theory on the banished being from Leyndell is correct! Fortified manner, the roundtable hold, even Stormveil castle all have evidence showing that Serosh might be the commanding lord of the Banished knights, tying the origin to Leyndell. YO E.C!!!! GREAT VID AS USUAL!! THX FOR ANOTHER BASHISED KNIGHT VIDEO!!!!!!

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

When I was editing the video, I began to think it was more likely, judging from the sheer ubiquity of Twinbird carvings, that the Twinbird may have been Lord prior to Placidusax. Of course there is nothing solid to back this up, just a hunch. The carvings of FA generally don't match the denizens. The walls show carvings of humans and the twinbird prominently, but it's populated mostly by beasts and Dragons so....(shrug)

[@josephramirez7188]

@@theeldenconspiracy9451 who knows? maybe deathbird worship was first with the beast men before being tamed by dragon??? 0________0

[@Intentionallyfrogged]

lets go

[@jakubchalupa8510]

Isn't is supposed the be the other way around? Godfrey and Radagon were the Elden Lords to the Godess Marika, and are described as Consorts by Miriel. If there were similar logic the Placidusax, he/they would be the consort to the god of the Dragons, would they not?

[@yaibaone]

What if the bannished knights were a previous age version of the tarnished. just like godfreey and his kin maybe they too were BANISHED

[@S.pilgrim]

great video. Can anyone tell me who the enemy is at 13.13?

[@Xandros999]

That's one of the skeletons in Leyndell Graveyard. They all do that for some reason.

[@S.pilgrim]

@@Xandros999 Much appreciated Xandros! I must have come across it with the amount I've played the game but drew a complete blank. Diolch!

[@lolosh99]

Idk, the Elden Beast looks suspiciously like a dragon and sense it’s a god, I think it’s a good fit for potential consort

[@leviamaya2787]

Awful take, elden beast is the embodiment of the greater will and the power of the elden ring itself. It's not a real player in the world besides acting like a giant battery for the elden ring. That's like saying Astel is a potential consort.

[@HenryGreenEngine3]

Makes sense to me. Godfrey as Elden lord was consort to Marika (who contained the Elden beast within) so placidusax as Elden lord would be consort to something else that contained the Elden beast... or just consort to the Elden beast itself since it looks and acts like a dragon.

[@leviamaya2787]

@@HenryGreenEngine3 that's a different point entirely to being consort to the elden beast itself which may sound like a distinction without a difference but it matters alot lmao

[@theeldenconspiracy9451]

If we look at the relationship between Marika and Godfrey (if that is indeed applicable to Placi's case, which could be completely wrong), then the Elden Beast is something that dwells within Marika, and doesn't preclude her from having a mate. So, whoever Placi's God was who fled, was probably an Empyrean possessed by the Elden Ring(A possible form of which is the Elden Beast.)

[@aldosalas2722]

Love the video. Just my opinion...nobody talks about Marika been Like Jesus so she is crucify for a "SIN" and we are adoring her later on. but what Sin? could of been that she was behind the burning of the tree and shatter the ring in order to weaken it or give place to killing the fingers or to allowed or give way to burn the Erdtree and how killing her own son just like God did with Jesus and was part of her plan. These are my thoughts that nobody talks about.

[@ravenhart8361]

You're making good content, however I think you need to make a real investment into a higher quality mic setup.

[@Thebdippy]

Sir in the future please do not take twelve ambien before recording your video

[@azx7023]

First lol

[@arthurhuynh1913]

This might sound dumb but, see how Placidusax has multiple heads ? Well, up until now I had always assumed he was ... his own consort ? In a way, I envisioned Placidusax both as lord and progenitor of the ancient dragons.