Who Will Break Bad in the Winds of Winter? ASOIAF Theory

[@danbruwer1493]

Death, Taxes and Quinn shoehorning Jon Connington into every video he can. Life’s only certainties

[@danbruwer1493]

I love it btw

[@Dani_1012]

I'm starting to believe Quinn is more besotted with Jon Connington than JonCon ever was with Rhaegar 😂

[@Charles-In-Charge]

Nobody has ever committed to a favorite ASOIAF character as hard as Quinn has gone for Jon Connington

[@QuinnTheGM]

The funny thing is I was this way before having a KZbin channel. This has just given me an outlet

[@ccorvid]

​@@QuinnTheGMas a fellow joncon stan 🤝, PLEASE never change. this was a perfect video. I never thought my love for BB & asoiaf would merge like this. truly a masterpiece

[@oss8298]

Joncon for Rhaegar

[@Gerson.Reyes.C]

Yo what, the Jon Connington part of your comment has a search symbol like in tiktok

[@kevinw4149]

Gregor Clegane not even *appearing* on the Red Cross list of war crimes committed per character is one of the grimmest indictments of the TV show compared to the books that I've ever seen

[@error-err-1016]

Darkstar is the Heisenberg of A Song of Ice and Fire. He is not in danger. He is THE danger!!!

[@spacecowboy5486]

I AM of the night, Skyler

[@PiscatorLager]

So Myrcella's ear being contamination is confirmed?

[@revilokid]

Haven’t got to him yet, but all I hear about is “ the most dangerous man in Westeros” and all he’s done was strangle little girl myrcella 😂.

[@error-err-1016]

@@revilokid no, he's real and based.

[@revilokid]

@@error-err-1016 I’ll prepare myself for him.

[@Rebel_Lord_Taron]

Tyrion for sure .. And I would be willing to bet good money that Jon Snow is not going to be a happy camper when he gets brought back to life

[@jebbush1547]

Tyrion is not more evil than Walter White

[@Rebel_Lord_Taron]

@@jebbush1547 that is true. Walter is the one who knocks... Tyrion is the one who knocks boots

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

@@jebbush1547 Tyrion's already killed his ex and his father. He's smart, and he has no more f's to give. He's well on his way to Heisenberg levels of evil.

[@simontaylor2143]

I thought Tyrion would be the subject of the video too, but I suspect he's going to go more chaotic evil. John-Con is an end justify the means kind of guy, Tyrion may not have any end goal besides revenge by the time he returns to Westeros. So in that sense I think JC might actually be a better comparison to Walter

[@therealelderking5830]

Jon, Tyrion and Dany forming a triumvirate and becoming the main villains would be awesome. Actually, imagine if all the POV characters swap morality, the ones who started as villains like Jaime become heroes and the heroes become the villains. Though I honestly can't see Davos' villain arc or Cersei's redemption arc happening.

[@SuperPenguinPants]

The first 8min of monotone solidly baited me for the Joncon reveal. Very cool wooden horse

[@Lexxir]

🤡

[@RmsOceanic]

In terms of a complete character arc, you're right that Tywin is closest to Walter White, because of one key similarity: Ego. For all of Walter's "did it for my family" it's pretty clear he's pursuing his goals to try and reclaim some pride in his life. The key demonstration of this being when he refuses Eliott's offer to cover his medical treatment, mainly because he would find it humiliating to accept such charity. Tywin is very similarly driven, and also similarly all about the family on the surface, except when you drill down into it it's about his personal feelings, in particular the humiliation he absorbed by proxy thanks to his father's weakness. Was ordering the death of Elia and her children a ruthless political act to cement his position in the new order, or was it an act of spite because the Targaryens spurned his marriage offer? Tywin will insist on the former, but as we see in his bedchamber his personal desires play a lot more in his actions than he'd ever admit. That said I like the idea of JonCon having the most overtly Walt-like arc incited by a terminal diagnosis. The one thing that's missing to make him truly Walt-like is how personal is this for him? It's definitely personal in part, his failure at Stoney Sept cost him a lot, but is that the failure that drives him, or is it his love for Rhaegar? How much is Jon deluded when he says he does these terrible things for his family? The Winds may give a clearer answer, but for the time being I'd hazard those motivations are more sincerely held than Walt's were.

[@nont18411]

Tywin is an extremely spiteful person. I find it really hypocritical from the fans for praising Tywin’s actions as “necessary evil” while condemning Cersei for doing the same thing just because she’s a woman.

[@3nnik]

Tywin's relationship with his father kind of reminds me of Walt's relationship with his son, both are in someway an embarassment to the characters, with Tywin's father being weak, and Walt's son being disabled and not being able to live up to Walt's idea of a perfect son. Although I'm sure that Walter definitely loved his son, there is a sense of embarassment that Walt Jr inflicts on Walter, similar to Tytos being an embarassment to Tywin.

[@RmsOceanic]

@@3nnik Walter also had a traumatic experience with his own father, who suffered from Huntingdon's disease, a progressive neurodegenerative condition. The person who Walt believes should have been a role model for being a "real" man was instead an invalid stuck in bed. Weak, one could say. Very different to Tytos and yet a very similar complex inadvertently bestowed on the next generation.

[@RmsOceanic]

@@nont18411 I've seen very little criticism of Cersei's decisions in the community because of her gender. It's generally because we believe her decisions suck in a way divorced from gender.

[@nichtimchor]

GREAT point

[@lillukanvarsia]

Wouldn’t be Quinn video without dear old JonCon! Interesting angle & great analysis. I’m one of the few people who haven’t seen Breaking Bad, but enjoyed this nonetheless.

[@pieterhofkens7259]

Jon Snow, death changes a man, a boy

[@HOTD108_]

Jon Snow was last seen aboy.

[@ccorvid]

​@@HOTD108_🤣🤣

[@mosh57]

No one in Westeros would dare be as evil as Walt because of the ever present fear of STRONG BELWAS

[@ccorvid]

forget Cleganebowl, I need STRONGBOWL, *NOW*. strong belwas will show "Ser" Strong the MEANING of the word, as he tears the puny "mountain" limb from limb, and pebble by pebble 😤

[@Ivbo]

I hope Jon comes back on demon time, and just starts kicking names and taking ass.

[@ccorvid]

starting with satin? (dolorous edd would say 'starting with edd, most like.)

[@HOTD108_]

The idea that Walter White is more evil than the Mountain or Ramsey is just insane. Walt's a bad guy, but objectively he's nowhere near that evil.

[@Al-ji4gd]

You don't have to be psychopathic and sadistic to be considered super evil. Walt could very easily be a Roose or Tywin type character in the ASOIAF world.

[@dookieshoe2905]

Ramsey created a Reek. Walt created a legion of Reeks with his blue stuff. XD

[@HOTD108_]

​@@dookieshoe2905 Source? There's nothing in the text (i.e. the show, Breaking Bad) to support that claim.

[@dookieshoe2905]

@@HOTD108_ wait, is this sarcasm or do really want a source for my lame joke?

[@notting2640]

@@HOTD108_ Do you really need a source for this? Just walk down Skid Row and you can see thousands of examples of Walt’s victims. Meth addiction eats away at your life, just search up meth before and after photos. The only drugs worse than it is fent and tranq.

[@Fire_Summoner]

Jon being brought back to life was truly the start of John Snowsenberg.

[@PiscatorLager]

Let's Rat Cook!

[@fenixchief7]

We been waiting on this villain arc for 13 damn years

[@nont18411]

Daenerys: “If I have to hear, one more time, that you did this, for the family…” Jon: “I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it. And I was really, I was alive.”

[@kevmey6]

Idk I think the death will change him but not at drastic as Stoneheart because of him warging into ghost instead of "moving on" to the next life.

[@doispobresamigos7724]

Having Vince actually be a writer, producer and director of A Song of Ice and Fire series would actually revive it so hard. Bring an actual aspect of consistent and thought-out writing and depth that most adaptations are seriously lacking... The question is: who is Bob Odenkirk going to be?

[@tiagotimoteo4004]

The Blackfish!

[@ofkrosfrokos]

The bells ringing when talking about JonCon breaking bad... Omenous

[@gokbay3057]

Really amazing coincidence.

[@paulcourtemanche3549]

Quinn when he sees someone with red hair: JONCON JONCON JONCON JONCON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@status_quo_post]

No one expected the Trojon Horse.

[@AngDevigne]

"International waters baby" got me 😂

[@gokbay3057]

It got a solid chuckle out of me.

[@frozenandchosen]

Just like Quinn to turn a seemingly unrelated video into a Jon Con video but I love it 😂

[@sackbeatgaming7751]

Jesse, we need to cook.

[@micow9951]

Don't you mean "Faegon, we need to cook"

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

Yeah, Mr. Griff! War crimes, bitch!

[@juwebles4352]

Jesse, we need the book

[@paulchristensen7]

George, we need to write

[@bobing1752]

I thought this was a Jon Connington channel, I'm disturbed by how long it took to finally mention him

[@HerbCoswellBornAgain]

I think Jon and Tyrion will both Break Bad in the Winds of Winter. I could see JonCon going down that bad choice road as well. Also, I think Dany will be seen as going mad, but she didn't actually go mad.

[@tristenvaughan3892]

a few weeks ago I mentioned that this channel had me wanting to start the books myself, and happy to say I just started Storm. Loving it all so far!!

[@DaJalster28]

I admire you commitment to finding ways to talk about BB despite the algorithms scorn. I love BB &BCS so keep it up

[@IsamotKol]

Hey yea thanks for using my Jon Con art!!!!

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

Good stuff!

[@a.a677]

it's badass

[@jbailey5061]

Off topic but isn't it wild as hell that we have never actually seen the cover of Winds of Winter? Everyone will think of either the horn on a black background or the dragonglass arrowhead. It just sort of struck me after watching a bunch of ASOIAF videos today that the reveal of the cover is going to be more surreal than the book itself.

[@michaelfinnerty7240]

I recall the Horn being confirmed by Martin YEARS ago as the cover

[@somm150]

⁠@@michaelfinnerty7240He also said the book would come out YEARS ago lol. I wouldn’t be surprised if he changed his mind on the cover

[@henriquedaumas9934]

​@@somm150 He said a Dance with Dragons would come out in 2006 and it came in 2011. He has issues with how much he widened the story

[@jbailey5061]

@@michaelfinnerty7240 It still won't look right to us. We're so used to how the fanart looks.

[@JahanMisra]

Walter White is nowhere near someone like Ramsey, Roose, or Euron. he’s not sadistic really imo edit: I’d put Euron on par with The Mountain if you include the Winds sample chapter. plus all the raiding he’s been doing and what he did to his brothers

[@saatvikkalra6061]

He's not even close to some of the "lesser" evil characters like lorch or Tyrion lmao these characters commit mass genocide they wouldn't bat an eye at walters white's actions

[@JahanMisra]

@@saatvikkalra6061 yeah true Tyrion is already worse

[@raskolnikov7049]

It's kinda hard to even compare characters from BB to the characters in ASOIAF. Even a good guy like Ned is responsible for more deaths than Walter.

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

@@raskolnikov7049 Is Ned responsible for as many deaths as Walt's collateral damage via that plane crash, meth addiction, etc? That's a tough call.

[@raskolnikov7049]

@@thing_under_the_stairs To be honest, I didn't even think about the deaths caused by meth. Is pure meth healthier than the meth that was being sold before Walter? If you think about it from that perspective, Walter might've saved lives lol. But the plane crash killed like 200 people. Robert's rebellion had to have a death count of atleast over 100k and TWOFK, which is technically still ongoing has an even bigger death count. There's also the custom of northern lords executing prisoners themselves, so it might be that Ned killed more people with his own hands than Walt ever killed as collateral, excluding the meth deaths. P.S I don't actually hold Ned responsible for the wars, but he was a key player in both of them and his (and other people's) actions led to them igniting.

[@tombullard123]

Immediately thinking that sounds like the kind of thing Euron would love. To turn against humanity and sweep westeros with others while he sits safe on his islands, using the sacrifice to power other magic

[@konawalchuk333]

Walt isn't just as evil as his actions, it's his thoughts and intent that make him a monster

[@lenardtoldi5780]

I just watched a video where they mentioned george's comment about walt. This is spooky.

[@AnarchoCatBoyEthan]

wow just rewatched like all of your videos from the last 2 years, really splendid surprise to see this. hope you’re doing well!

[@The_Left-Hand_Path]

Haven't watched the video yet but it's JON CONNINGTON

[@antonjohansson3819]

Will GRRM have the red priest Moqorro declare the sickness can be cured? Moqorro heals Victarions hand from an infected wound at the prize of incredible pain and some blood. Would make another great paralell.

[@PfyscheStyx]

you forgot to mention that Tywin and Walter are both bald.

[@TheStoneTargaryen]

You found a way to make a video about both of your favorite things! I flippin love that for you :)

[@bitbyaturtle]

I was surprised to see Tywin on the list. Thought for sure the third would be Euron.

[@QuinnTheGM]

I thought Tywin was more compelling as a comparison to Walt

[@booyakuhsha24]

I love your channel so much! Comparing song of ice and fire characters to Walter white is very much up my alley. Thanks again for the better call Saul episode

[@jocas94]

I don’t know why i’m even surprised that this is a Jon Con’ video

[@donalny]

The constant bells ringing would explain Quinn's Jon Connington obsession

[@MuffinmanondruryIane]

this is truly the moment JonCon became Heisenberg

[@BulletTooth504]

Walter isn't even the most evil character in the Breaking Bad universe.

[@Al-ji4gd]

So? He's still evil.

[@kingDowahs]

Yeah Jack and Gus are definitely more evil

[@Js-uz5sg]

Great idea for a video, well put together and entertaining as always

[@DonMofet]

the mountain is brutal but Ramsey is much more evil imo.

[@awesomeaman113]

These are the videos i like. Part analysis and part theory. Good stuff.

[@soufiane4377]

I never thought about the JonC / WW parallel, its very interesting and I really wish to see it happen I however think GRRMs statement is absolutely crazy, there are so many characters worse than Walter in Westeros it would be hard to name them all. Euron, Victarion, even Balon with his treatment of his son, Walder Frey, Tywin, the Mountain, Cersei, Roose and Ramsay are all order of magnitude worse than WW in my opinion. Also I dont consider WW to be the worse character in Breaking Bad, even without including Jacks gang. Tuco and Hector Salamanca, as well as the cousins, Don Eladio and the cartel in general ... Even Gus Fring is worse in my opinion (uses children in his meth empire, causes as many if not more deaths than WW, and is about to murder WWs entire family, including his infant daughter, because he killed some child-murdering dealers ...)

[@bihirabenjamin7565]

Amazing post! Your top work GM

[@angelmangamertime]

Honorable mention to kraznys mo naklos

[@letisrl]

Man, I wish someday someone loved me as much as Quinn loves jonCon

[@cobaltcrusader9841]

I’m gonna Break Bad if TWOW doesn’t come out this decade

[@WheatthinCraft]

How did I not guess this was a JonCon video

[@Rebel_Lord_Taron]

I never would have guessed you were talking about Jon con lol Always felt he had a little bit too much honor to be that evil but you may be right.

[@PiscatorLager]

Euron Snow That Rides

[@justdirt]

I am not gonna claim to know George's thoughts, but I think George saw Walt's more human evil and thought some of his characters lacked that. Walt is evil sure, but he isn't some mega meniacle super villain. The blog post was almost certainly George having recency bias as what Tywin did to Tysha and Tyrion is worse than almost anything Walt does.

[@Huhbroski]

I'd argue that the Jane scene is just as worse

[@Al-ji4gd]

I don't think the Tysha thing is any worse than Walt letting Jane die or poisoning a child just to he could eliminate a competitor.

[@danny_oliver]

Quinn sneaking JonCon into a video again: "He can't keep getting away with this!"

Fun fact: Walter and Tyrion (well, more precisely, Bryan Cranston and Peter Dinklage) share the same voice actor in the Spanish dub.

[@the_rune.reader]

I just got JonConnrolled 💀

[@trimreaper7947]

He's a small character but pure evil. Rorge!!! He's the most evil in the books. Or he's up in the top 3

[@ianpatterson6552]

Bold for Quinn to say books that Martin has written. Several Dunk n Egg novellas, Blood n Fire part 2, an alleged Who’s Who inworld, various non ASOIAF works, and 2 unimportant, not very interesting Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring doorstoppers. Priorities!

[@QTC1688]

Ned stark is Gus Fring. Because what does a man do? A man provides his kids with the moral resilience to navigate the 15th century world of Britain with dragons and ice demons.

[@efrent-vr3bm]

One character I think is always overlooked as evil is Qyburn For me Qyburn is the most evil, then Ramsay Bolton (never call him Snow) and The Mountain Clegane

[@Derekivery]

Would assume the biggest "good guy" being murdered by his friends and brought back to life would be the most likely to 'break bad'

[@masterplokoon8803]

6:49 I agree. And I think that while Tywin did order the deaths of prince Aegon and princess Rhaenys, he did not order Elia's since he would gain nothing with her death. I think her death was merely caused by the Mountain's sadistic habits. Tywin himself says to Tyrion in the book that Elia's death was completely unnecessary. So yeah, the Mountain does go way above even Tywin's brutal orders to indulge himself.

[@LeopardMessiah13]

I KNEW IT! (To be fair, I think we ALL knew it). Still love it though.

[@sinthoras1917]

The bells ringing in the end is the perfect ending to any Jon Connington video

[@xavicu8150]

XD the scream at 2:37

[@kingDowahs]

Strange that George’s takeaway from the episode where Jack and Todd brutally tortured a man as well as killing two was that Walt was the most evil character in the show lmao

[@Crick1952]

Aegon VI is Jesse Pinkman and no one can change my mind

[@ElderVault]

I think the bells have driven you insane and given you this obsession with joncon

[@ThommyofThenn]

I wanna see Walt get in some upstart lordlings face and tell him "stay out of my territory" But really, Walt would fit in perfectly with all the poisoners and game players of Westeros.

[@breakingpoint252]

If Jon Connington is Walter, Tyrion is Saul

[@Djynni]

Interesting ideas. I agree that Jon C sounds like he's having a similar arc to Walt but I disagree that he is the most evil character. I think the easy answer to that is Euron.

[@Derekivery]

I would say there are a lot of very obviously more evil than Walter White characters in Westeros. Just several people who just do evil for evils sake. Walter, while undeniably evil, can 'justify' his actions. That doesn't make them NOT evil but he there is some restraint and practicality to it. Walter is closest I think to Tywin, both evil but what really mean is ruthless. They will stop at nothing to get their goal. But if you give them what they want, they'll just stop. Again that still makes them evil, but there are people who are worse. First to mind (but not the only one) is Ramsey Snow, if you gave him everything he wanted, made him king of the world, he would still beat and torture innocent people just for the lolz. And again he is not the only one. What I think GRRM means is character, who falls into the 'power corrupts' brand of evil. Character who learns that if they give up their moral code and embraces the dark side of the force, they will be more powerful than they ever imagined.

[@retriever19golden55]

But has Walter White ever flayed anyone, or starved a woman until she ate her fingers?! And what about Qyburn?!

[@izaacpaez5533]

Someone cooked here….

[@kaisercollins3097]

The salamancas were way worse than the uncle

[@chrishatchett9506]

“Nobody is as evil as Walter White” while Euron is sitting right there

[@rampantrambling]

Gotta love more joncon videos

[@kieran10202]

Tyene Sand is a poison expert, and she was raised by a septa, so she's presumably good right now.

[@griffithsbolton]

i do agree that gregors caused the most damage as a scale of evil but i would consider some of the brave companions (ESPECIALLY RORGE) to be slightly more evil

[@Thatguy-un4yq]

Euron going unmentioned at the beginning is crazy

[@Siptom369]

I would have mentioned Euron instead of Ramsay in the beginning

[@ashleyofnaath]

"They both have very strong opinions of themselves and what they deserve", combined with getting tons of people killed, gives me Catelyn Stark vibes big time lol. Great video.

[@WheresPoochie]

Stannis is the closest parallel to WW. Talented and once respected man who is corrupted by idealism, abandons his morals in desperation, and ultimately endangers his family.

[@duolingo0552]

Jesse, we need to claim the iron throne!

[@LuizSilva-ls2rb]

Victarion is not a villain he just follows the ways of his land.

[@daveqm1024]

By that rationale, the Dothraki aren’t evil either.

[@nont18411]

Ramsay is never a villain too, by this logic. Considering that raping, torturing, killing and skinning people are Bolton’s culture.

[@nont18411]

Neither does Ramsay. He just embraces the Bolton culture.

[@_solid5067]

Jesse, we need to sell milk of the poppy

[@michaelgates9478]

George definitely downplays the amount of evil in so many of his characters by comparing them to WW. Even by Westeros standards

[@lontu8888]

LETS GOOO MORE JONCON

[@eversor10]

I love the mad queen theroy tbh

[@carlrood4457]

I'd say it comes down to Walter's and Tywin's definition of "family". For Walter, it's the traditional wife & children and their welfare at least in what he tells himself. For Tywin, family-House. It's about the power and reputation of the Lannister name today, tomorrow, and throughout future history. He's less a father than he is the CEO of Casterly Rock, Inc.

[@buckledben]

They better have Bryan act as Jon Con in the potential remake

[@Henbot]

The Mountain is horrendous and definitely in top tier of monsters but not entirely the most horrendous in fiction when you got like Cormac stuff and anime, manga, Manhwa, manhua and even western comics

[@TancredofAntioch]

Euron drinks shade of the evening on the Shield Islands; do the islands count as Westeros?

[@krisr3868]

Tywin and Ramsay are definitely above Heisenberg in terms of evil. I consider it a point in Tywin's favor that he doesn't try to convince himself that he's good, but using Gregor Clegane as an attack dog, the sacking of King's Landing and the Tysha incident makes him more evil. Gregor Clegane is a bit hard to place against Walter, because of the kind of character he is. Other candidates for more evil than Walter could be Rorge, Euron or Roose.

[@Panzerbjrn]

As someone who only casually watched BB, I have no idea what was so bad about that episode 😀

[@Hazelcake]

Walder White

[@mds2519]

i think the "evil" GRRM is referring to is, while Heisenberg is not THE WORSE, he still 100% believed that he is a good guy, a great guy. I can only think of Tyrion from ASOIAF as someone whos similar

[@captainkiwi77]

Personally I’d say cersei already is a Walt figure herself. She has that incessant drive for power, hiding behind wanting to do right for her family. Much like how Walt constantly tries to justify himself cersei not only feels vindicated in just about everything she does, she also seems to have the same “I’m the smartest person in the room complex” as Walt… but lacks the actual intelligence to be the smartest in the room

[@Natey1216]

I should’ve known it was a job con video

[@MazeMe]

To me, Tywin Lannister is much more like Gus Fring, pragmatic but led by honor and legacy, and in turn, revenge. Maybe surprisingly, Walter White resembles Stannis the most. Both are driven by righteousness, the knowledge of having better skills than their more succesful rivals and the justification of morally wrong deeds through pragmatism. If Stannis has a dying speech in the books like in the show, I wouldn't be surprised if he admitted his honor and duty was in part a coping mechanism for feeling unjustly passed over by Robert and disrespected by Renly. EDIT: just got to the John Connington part, and yes, it fits like a sleeve.