Who Wins? StarCraft 1 ZERG vs StarCraft 2 TERRAN

[@turkleton9113]

We need a SC1 Zerg vs SC2 Zerg game so that winter can have the SC1 queens bully the SC2 queens over their inability to fly. MAKE IT HAPPEN

[@maksdec7937]

hehe :з

[@sirtalkalotdoolittle]

Jimmy! Get on this stat!

[@LucianDevine]

The most epic identity crisis he'll ever have!

[@aloe7794]

"Leave me alone for god's sake Susan" "Haha look at the broodlings Brenda"

[@Poputrash]

He'll need different names for the flying ones.... what names for old ladies are older than brenda, karen and susan?

[@dethbygaming]

Each one of these games I’ve seen has taught me one basic thing. Brood War balance was basically “well if every unit is stupidly broken then it’ll all balance out.”

[@ThePotatoLord-r3y]

U should have seen reavers fighting hydras and lings

[@Appletank8]

It helps that you can only control 12 broken units at a time, and 1 spellcaster per click. Queens are actually a bit nerfed with broodling doing like 300 dmg instead of ohko.

[@ThePotatoLord-r3y]

@Appletank8 yah, but in 1992 it was on the to game list. It was pretty much a game where dragoons would make you regret your life

[@berengerchristy6256]

I wonder if the modders can put that 12 units per control groups on the brood war races? It does seem like the brood war players are winning, but all I can see are what winter uploads

[@Appletank8]

@@berengerchristy6256 nah, BW units have some serious limitations. SC2 has really high mobility that's hard for BW units to catch up in places, and also SC2 has way stronger air units. The hell are Goliaths gonna do against teleporting Battlecruisers? The biggest advantage BW has is their spellcasters are generally really strong, especially the single target ones since they were a massive pain to even utilize in the old game. And also Defilers are busted when you can have like 5 on the field. Constant ranged damage immunity and death clouds.

[@johngracia5373]

Winter you have no idea how nostalgic these games are. The SC1 units and sound effects being dropped into SC2 is fricken incredible. I'll watch every video you post for SC Evo mod

[@mirastor1796]

I never knew how much I missed the goliath and bunker gun sounds

[@nbizzle5329]

Completely agree

[@XansHuzzah]

This game was made exclusively for Winter so the queens' delusions can be fulfilled and his blackout moments are happy instead of angry all the time. Needs to play this map as "BrendasHappyLife" instead of "BrendasRevenge"

[@nardu]

Oh my word, they did it. Loving the SC1 Terran theme playing

[@AF-tv6uf]

Flashbacks to college playing SC for hours in my dorm.

[@Ole_Rasmussen]

For the first time in 26 years a vulture can fight back against a queen Vipers getting hit by old-school terran parasitic bomb

[@Brainth_1780]

It's glorious!

[@plixie1]

After YEARs of the " we used to fly" joke, I have finally seen it.

[@mattangulo2773]

Not to mention the joke with 1HKO with spawn broodlings Man, it would have been awesome to see SC1 infested terrans

[@marinav3905]

9:45 Brenda, you're flying!!!!! It's a Christmas miracle

[@AshunPhubu]

Brenda found the Time Machine

[@unnamedlegeon]

And SC2 has no way to remove Parasite unless it was killed (friendly fire) 😁.

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

@@unnamedlegeonI believe there’s some? Morph into archons and evolve Zerg units? I have not tried the mod yet

[@unnamedlegeon]

@@enriquegarciacota3914 Yes, but most SC2 units can't do it.

[@levkrasovsky4920]

I really like the BW Terran vs SC2 Zerg matchup, especially the early midgame, where the Vultures and the Queens have these turf war engagements, with the Spider Mines and the Creep Tumors being great things you'd want to use for map control. A really tasteful interaction that I don't think exists in either game separately.

[@jgmepgjlrmxcf2188]

You could argue at some hots moment, we kinda had this with the 3reaper/4hellion vs the 3/4 queens

[@Soadaa5656]

I love the potential for this game mode. A lot of people dislike watching mirror matchups, but not a concern with this game mode!

[@Spongerek]

Maybe some SC1 facts from an old player :) 1. Not all ground units die from Spawn Broodling. Archon's, probe's and river's are safe because they are not alive. 2. In SC1, vulture (20 DMG) will not kill drone (40 HP) in two hits because all zerg immediately regenerate 1HP after taking damage. However, probe(20 HP 20 Shield) dies after 2 shots because the shield begins to regenerate with a delay. 3. You can cure the parasite using the medic from SC1 :) And I'm wondering how they solved the damage types for SC1 units in SC2 because SC1 had completely different mechanics. There were 3 unit types small, medium, large and 3 damage types normal, explosive and concussive.

[@OMLose]

I wonder too about damage and unit types. I mean hydras are medium, so no full dmg from hellions or tanks in sc2.

[@gamesmenezes]

something I just remembered watching game 2. At the beginning of the HotS beta, widow mines were able to attack invisible units even without detection. Looking a little further back, we can see that this was a characteristic of the spider mine.

[@Poputrash]

Indeed! Wanna nuke? Spider mine says no. ("curb your enthusiasm" plays)

[@gamesmenezes]

@@Poputrash And fast expo, spider mine first is a real opening (at least i'v seen in pro level) safe against DT rushes.

[@daPawlak]

Probably been like a milion of such comments but medics have ability to remove parasite

[@JesperSandgreen]

True, but no medics as SC2 terran, so he can´t remove it..

[@daPawlak]

@@JesperSandgreen sure, though as far as I remember there was talk about SC1 so that comment is relevant in relation to what caster was saying. There is a way to get rid of it in SC1.

[@soywhitelie2976]

It's funny, Terrans now feel what being sniped feels, but even worse since spawn bloodling insta kill everything unlike ghost snipe

[@cataliniancu5318]

They don't kill flying units, robotic units and costs 150 energy to use. And the queen's other abilities are merh. Overall not nearly as versatile.

[@isavyll]

07:56 when you forget to take your medicines 😂 Jesus. I love the Brenda joke

[@LucianDevine]

He's REALLY gotta get those blackouts checked out though! They're getting worse!

[@rengaming1052]

I didn't realise how much those sounds are still so recognisable after so many years. Those tanks are iconic

[@Bobzonthejob]

Oh yeah, SC2 sound design is totally anemic. You can close your eyes and listen to a SC1 battle and have some idea what's going on and what units are involved.

[@TheKnightOfSmite]

It's great the SC1 armies actually look like armies and play like armies

[@karolstopinski8350]

Another way to 'clean' the parasite is using Medics flare ability to blind that unit.

[@JKBrown-vv1yw]

Medics can simply use Restore and purge the parasite completely.

[@chloesmith4065]

Chaotic neutral

[@ChannelMiner]

I believe flare has to be researched and is pretty useless unless u somehow snipe all of their detectors then go ghost wraith? Restoration has to be researched as well and is equally useless to be honest considering that the amount of debuffs youd wanna clean are in the single digits and even then a lot of them are applied in big aoes so youd have to have a lot of medics to clear ur army of debuffs.

[@sticksbender4057]

@@ChannelMiner well, medics are cheap 1 supply units so you will have quite a few of them, and bio Terran in TvZ will always make science vessels and sometimes even battlecruisers. Using restoration to purge plague from those expensive air units is usually worthwhile.

[@christopherscott6383]

Loving this! Jimmy, Winter casting this makes my day. I played BW I was a random player. It's a tip of the cap throwback. Plus I love the new SC2 units. Now I'm going to be spending more hours infront of PC 😂

[@aloe7794]

I absolutely love these videos, made me download the mod and I feel like falling in love with starcraft again It's pretty entertaining and hilarious to see imbalances throughout both games (like Arbiter Stasis taking three purgatory sentences to wear off from SC1 or literal Marines on crack from SC2) affect one another, it's so cool

[@Evallandercomingsoon]

9:45 I fear for Winters mental health, the visions are becoming more real...

[@Werkzeug-100]

He almost completely missed the scan LOL

[@JollyGreenWizard]

PLEASE give us more of this! I'm going to love seeing the meta evolve (ha) over time, and the BW sounds make my heart happy! Granted, I played BW as a 10 year old, so I was SUPER bad, but it's such a nostalgia trip!

[@darkzone482]

Watching SC1 vs SC2 is so much fun. Thanks for casting these games!

[@balanceofjudgement4282]

So glad to see another quick upload of SC Evo. I love these games. I admit I played your videos when preparing to sleep, but yesterday and today's uploads have kept me wide awake out of pure interest. I dont play the game these days, but I'd be willing to give it a go now and maybe corrupt some friends into joining me. I feel like this has breathed life into the game and I cannot wait to see strats that pros will come up with. Cheers to you good ser o/

[@RT-wt7gu]

What happens if SC1 protoss uses mind control on SC2 player worker? What kind of tech tree does he get?

[@austinduke8876]

In brood war you could build the whole tech true plus having an additional 200 supply

[@anibalbarca9549]

He can build a townhall and from there get barracks, arcane sanctum, gryphon aviary etc.

[@Ansixilus]

31:43 Fun fact, a petard was an explosive. "Hoisted" as in lifted upwards, as in blown up. "Hoisted by their own petard" literally meant blown up by their own bomb, which is precisely what happened.

[@JingIeFett]

I know it will probably never happen, but personally I would love it if Blizzard made an official ladder in SC2 for just the classic BW factions. This way we could play the classic BW factions on the ladder but it'd be in the SC2 engine with all the quality of life improvements like we see in this mod

[@markpayton3895]

Or better yet, a different ladder for this mod to play as SC1 or SC2 races. That'd be so awesome.

[@wojciechg9498]

I want to tell you a nice life lesson I got from SC2. With my recent run I got to mid plat with T never winning against protoss. But winnig over 90% vs zerg. The lesson is don't let the small defeats stop you. Focus on your strengths and you will get there.

[@zombi3907]

Dude, the protoss arbiter is completely broken. Stasis freezes an entire fleet of carriers or BCs long enough to build a bunch of turrets underneath them. Also the cloaking. Also the recall. But stasis is a hard counter to massed endgame units, and it lasts so long.

[@weaponizedemoticon1131]

I know Lock Down doesn't have AOE, but that ability is mental vs late game Protoss.

[@LucianDevine]

I want to see some 2v2's with BW Protoss and SC2 Terran on the same side. Arbiters plus new BC's.

[@CJ-eq3bs]

It's not broken. If that's broken the Terran nuke is broken or Terran emp giving 1 unit to take out half army health. Point is they are just a tool to be wary if and should avoid clumping when arb is spotted

[@siosilvar]

SC1 casters are just built different. Though honestly Arbiters don't even see much play in BW PvT any more, you see a whole lot of drops instead.

[@michaelbuckers]

Except you're stuck having to guard a bunch of endgame units while the other part of the army is ransacking your bases.

[@Nurriek]

Idk, but the SCBW units felt like they were way more effective than the SC2 units. Like they felt imposing and powerful, and useful. The SC2 units felt expensive and expendable at the same time.

[@phamnhat2925]

That’s bc SCBW spells were very strong

[@Nurriek]

@@phamnhat2925 idk. The BW siege tanks felt tougher and more valuable. The marines felt more directly useful and less foddery

[@100nitrog2]

They had to be more effective. Everything was harder to control back then, so the units had to be stronger.

[@Nurriek]

@@100nitrog2 That doesn't matter to my point.

[@thewhiteinknight]

This is so cool! I love the Broodwar units. Seeing them matchup in SC2 is amazing! I love the broodwar terran and zerg build. Would love to see a sc1 matchup in sc2 and to see you cast some Broodwar too! This is the best thing to happen to Starcraft2 since its release!

[@ionutiancu5395]

07:32 you can also solve the Parasite with the Terran Medic restore

[@pilles6]

❤❤ I just love that queens can fly again. Heart warming for old Broodwar veteran which happens to be a SC2 fan also. Such a good content from WinterStarcraft. ❤

[@Haxses.]

These are so much fun! Cast more please! You are doing a great job btw, it's very impressive how well you can cast 2 games at once.

[@69lol69]

More of this! This is amazing

[@maniacalcoast2742]

Wait this is such a good fucking idea??? Sc1 Terran, sc2 terran, SC1 & SC2 Zerg, and SC1 Protoss & SC2 Protoss all in the race pool

[@Dangerpurple]

I've been waiting sooooo long to see SC1 units vs SC2 units. I wish someone would do it in SC1 but that would be a lot tougher

[@Iwmar]

I think it's time to admit SC1 balance was BROKEN compared to SC2. Every single unit from BW seems like an absolute cancer to deal with

[@BlankeeStarcraft]

Improved unit pathing, smart casting, and unlimited unit selection are what makes those units appear so strong here compared to BW.

[@Jeff-tb9gt]

Glorious to see the majestic queens in flight! May they soar forever:)

[@inspectorcolt]

I just realized when Winter turns to the side, he's talking to the queens. I thought he became a queen.

[@blastoisenam57]

After all those years of Brenda walking memes. I'm glad I was able to live to see this day. The day that Winter finally gets to use the meme the other way around. As someone born in '92, who played a lot of brood war amongst other games like CS1.6, Dota Frozen Throne, and etc, this is a magnificent day. All who share the same boat, unite!

[@anibalbarca9549]

It's good to see mines that actually work like mines not as massive anti-air batteries.

[@oscargonzalez3599]

Also you forgot that the original Medic had an ability call "Restore" which remover any negative status, aka, parasite or blind, etc.

[@Grond112358]

I CANNOT WAIT FOR PvP OLD vs NEW. Mirror matches in general are going to be wack.

[@chloesmith4065]

Reaver > Colossus

[@F1MOSES]

this brings the biggest smile to my face, i remember when my brother introduced me sc1 and he never liked sc2 hopefully now we can start back playing together.

[@PeregrineChurch]

Definitely want some more of these! This would be a fun casting phase to have for a week

[@imapirate186]

Woah, Jimmy was ready with the like count today! You finally allowing him to have coffee?

[@raccoonhatcity7627]

"coffee" 😅

[@WiseWik]

@@raccoonhatcity7627 coffaine 🤣

[@Pigraider268]

SC: Evo is such a joy to watch. It breaths new life to the SC 2 scene. It can be really big and hopefully will be ^^

[@andreashoiby4333]

Imagine a peak Flash vs Serral game. Or Jaedong vs Clem!

[@chloesmith4065]

Boxer vs Maru

[@firesturmgaming]

SC1 zerg is very powerful. Especially if u go mass zergling hydra. The zerglings are really tough for well zerglings.

[@mithrandir3047]

The ticking/tapping zerg sound effect hits on the first second and I'm immediately transported back to high school.

[@justteathankyou.3642]

I did not expect a Star Trek: Voyager meme. Good shit, thanks for casting!

[@jinnsaint1358]

SC1 models mostly look so much better and sharper than SC2 models -.- Artstyle of the first game was better in general IMO

[@AtillaTheFun1337]

Well, to be fair, the brood war models were made quite a lot of years after the original SC2 models. While I agree the Goliaths, Carriers and Hydras look awesome, I also do prefer the look of SC2 Firebats and Ultras. The Zerglings and Siegetanks can go either way for me as sidegrades.

[@zey2bme]

That PSA at the end was super helpful.

[@JTheoryScience]

Your videos on this brought me back to sc2

[@JCMiniPainting]

Keep em comin! If you need someone to fact check your SCBW knowledge I can help. It's quite painful hearing some of your takes and assumptions lol. For example, Spawn Broodling works on any ground BIO unit. Siege tanks and I assume Thors count because they have pilots. Reavers would not work because they are entirely mechanical/robotic. Parasite does NOT work on buildings, but it does work on ANY ground unit, and it can be removed with the Medic's Restoration ability. Or by killing the unit. I am of course assuming the mod didn't change any of this stuff.

[@bigprank3964]

Spawn Broodlings doesn't work on Thors, as is made apparent by game 1

[@faithnfire4769]

@@bigprank3964 Wiki check says any ground unit but "Probes, Archons, Dark Archons, and Reavers," is that done by a type restriction in BW? The only type difference in SC2 is that thors are massive units. Wonder if widow mines can be targeted.

[@Matt-ln7lb]

Parasite can target flying units as well.

[@Appletank8]

iirc in the mod the broodling was changed to do like 300 dmg instead

[@karpai5427]

Yes it is true. Zerg only has 12+1 units. Infested Terran is almost impossible to build. Terran has 13. Protoss has 13+scout.

[@Kasmorder]

This was a joy to watch. I think I'm gonna get back into Starcraft with this releasing. This is amazing. Also Queen+Defiler has to be OP, right?

[@kurtzmann22]

i doubt that actually, SC2 Terran and other races have good counter spells/splash damage units that could better handle it than SC1 Terran

[@weaponizedemoticon1131]

I can't wait to see pros do this. So far, it looks like the BW is OP if the player is really good, and trash if the player is not as good, compared to the opponent. I want to see two really good players.

[@tigera6]

Afreeca is hosting an event for this mod next Weds, with pro-players from both SC2 and BW playing against each other.

[@weaponizedemoticon1131]

@@tigera6 Super exciting!

[@chloesmith4065]

Brood war has a better late game because the spellcasters are stronger generally speaking...

[@Aerational]

Dude I love this mod.... I saw someone do an SC1 Terran vs SC2 Terran and the SC1 Terran was SURPRISINGLY strong. I feel like you could just add the SC1 versions of each race to the game as separate factions. That would be awesome imo.

[@jacobscholtissek2410]

the good old doubleT of destruction Tank/Turre

[@benismann]

Finally an extensive course into queen lore. That's why i watch those series!

[@GaeBoIg]

@WinterStarcraft 7:27 IF I recall correctly sc1 medics had cleanse or restore or some ability like that which could purge all negative status ailments like blind/lockdown/parasite. But I do forgive you for not knowing/remembering as medics were not a real unit in scbw - I don't think I ever have seen a cleanse used in any pro match.... ever

[@TheMygoran]

Winter going completly bonkers over the flying queens. I don't mind that he just paused there multiple minutes. That's what i wanted to see after all

[@WiseWik]

I need to get up for work in 5hrs but I've seen Brenda fly in the thumbnail so I'm staying up to find out more about the accident 🤔

[@JSwiftBlade]

This is how zerg was meant to be :D a constant onslaught of units pouring in. isn't like that these days.

[@EsperTripL]

Loving this content - would be great to see infest command center happen, but making it happen in SC2 is probably even harder than brood war.

[@nightismonochrome]

More one sided than a mobius strip. Now that's an amazing call.

[@DTankTopM]

Those ultralisk shows why they’re the bane of terrans. The sc2 ultralisk against broodlord Terran makes the ultralisk’s evolution lore awesome. It really shows why they need more firepower.

[@gjreedy9526]

So cinematic with the sheer number of units! Game 1 and game2

[@scottevensen2615]

This is fun! Science vessels, flying queens, dark archons, oh my!

[@kgregorius8550]

You see this is what should have been add to the game for SC2 after the last campaign expansion.

[@nathanpetrich7309]

8:00 Winter roleplaying as a bunch of queens clearly makes him so happy.

[@state0fdecay365]

i love these series mixin’ the old and the new, keep em comin

[@TheShadowfantom]

this is pretty great to see, loving the SC1 soundtrack too

[@ASithLordd]

was so looking forward to the Queen PTO meetings in this video. Did not dissapoint lol

[@47StormShadow]

more of this please, this is so freaking cool

[@matthewpereida1261]

This is so great. Keep them coming. I want some Sc1 P vs sc2 Z

[@Shadowfusion-Gaming]

the best thing about this entire thing, was not the SC game. but that we finally get to hear the flying queens at last

[@AtillaTheFun1337]

I always did think the damage output SC2 ultras is severely underestimated. They are always thought of as just damage sponges, but they with +3 they are dealing 44(!) damage per swing at a notably fast attack speed on top of the splash! I’m not surprised they broke the BW Terran siege as I have been having great success with them vs Terran and Zerg opponents in SC2. They absolutely just flatten roaches

[@Unformed8]

Susan: "See brenda, this is how we could be if you just stayed away from the cookie jar"

[@slavengineering8344]

Little disappointed there were no lurkers, cracklings, ultralisks or defilers shown off, though hopefully it will happen in the future. Loving the new mixed SC1vsSC2 content!

[@NZMateus]

Omg, please, cast some mirror matches between SC1 and SC2!

[@Granodd]

SC2 Players: wondering why the Zerg player is creating so many queens at the same time Broodwar Players: having seen enough games where Terran tries to mass mech against Zerg knowing exactly what's going to happen

[@wojciechkups2914]

Achctually… you can get rid of the queen’s parasite by having a medic cast restoration. Tested it recently. You don’t have to kill the unit. :D

[@dijerido7062]

I like the concept of this mod. To bring sc1 and sc2 together that’s nice 😊

[@kimki4kay4k41]

SUPERNOVA ON WINTER IS CRAZY, TWO OF MY FAV SC2 KZbin CHANNEL LOL

[@Buddha2723]

I'm relatively sure the Brood War Queens didn't once target the Thors, which likely means they can't affect massive to protect Thor/Archon/Ultralisk(the expensive ground units). You saw the Terran build and use Thors as an attempt to box out the Queens, or at least punish them with death for any broodling strike.

[@lefm_]

Best thing about this whole mod is to see Brenda and her besties talking about the old days

[@unnamedlegeon]

So nostalgia, and fixing the Queen's nest in the future patch might do 😁.

[@garnetg987]

This is so much fun. Would love to see this as a possible choice for ranked PvP in game. Although I gotta say I'm not sure of what is going to counter SC2 ultralisks for BW terran...

[@Boots43096]

See blizzard THIS is how you make the zerg feel swarmy. Nothing in SC2 matches throwing away 60 hydras to pressure a terrans natural, then making 60 more hydras every 60 seconds. If zerg did that in sc2 the game would likely be OVER because of how much more expensive and inefficient units are.

[@DelawareBrooks]

This is so cool, it shows how much SC2 could have done with sub factions.

[@lexvtd]

this should become an official queue in the game, contact your blizz friends

[@zacnic8726]

The Queen's infestation can be cured by the Terran Medic's ability.. can't remember what it's called... its a bling bling effect 😄

[@gamesmenezes]

Oh god, Brenda's gameplay and role-playing is top notch here!

[@101mckraken]

Yes! .. more of these games and more brood war 😀

[@Qaos2]

I don’t think sc2 Zerg can compete with sc1 Zerg. Units are cheap and queens one shot most units. Can’t wait for this matchup!

[@tigera6]

what does Zerg in SC1 has that deal with Infestor/Viper from SC2 Zerg?

[@Qaos2]

@@tigera6 queens for infestors and plague/scourge for viper

[@AdmiralBison]

BW has a VERY different play style to their SC2 counterparts which adds to the whole distinction, variety and long-term strategies between the two.

[@JoeMustache321]

The flight of Brenda and Susan!!! Just like the old days

[@Poputrash]

(Cue "Flight of the Valkyries with kazoos") kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3uXg3-Yhpyarqcsi=Kr6enPPaZWlgILbv&t=20