Doctor Who: 10 Things You Didn't Know About The Toymaker

From The Celestial Toymaker to The Giggle, the Toymaker has had an interesting journey through Doctor Who history. Let's explore it!
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[@kingofnonation5843]

"I walked in universes where the laws of physics were devised by the mind of a madman." Guess that was a toymaker reference

[@jaschul]

I thought he meant Omega, but both work

[@ivymoon5084]

I hadn't decided if it was referencing toymaker or omega 😅 or maybe the master (deadly assassin, 4th doctor tv story)

[@nessthecat]

He's been in a few mad universes to be fair.

[@andyhemsted4570]

Or Chris Chibnall?

[@happyhattergamer8078]

@@andyhemsted4570I laughed at this comment XD

[@derekp308]

The Toymaker has been speculated as being a demigod, and being the Crystal Guardian, being in league with the Black and White Guardians.

[@wwswhl773]

Are the guardians established in classic who?

[@BinroWasRight]

​@wwswhl773 indeed. The White and Black Guardians played very important roles in the eras of Four and Five. There are more of them, but we haven't met them on television unless the Toymaker is one of them, as spinoff media has implied. The Guardians of the Universe are likely the most powerful beings in the Whoniverse. They represent universal concepts like order, entropy, chaos, dreams and the like. They're essentially gods, but they have to work through intermediaries, as in the Key to Time saga.

[@wwswhl773]

thank you so so much for taking the time to explain because it helps the watch of the 60th so much (if he is a guardian)@@BinroWasRight

[@anhurtorrez]

​@@BinroWasRightah the key of time saga that brought back great memories with Tom Baker's Doctor, with Romana.

[@finnsempire5671]

Is he typically a time lord?😮

[@julianaylor4351]

Zed Cars not Zee Cars, it's a British police series that ran from the 1960s for two decades, and in early episodes features Brian Blessed, as one of the police car officers. It was set in a suburb of Liverpool and many well known actors starred as guest, just like The Bill, which was set in London. I'm old enough to know the theme tune, which is based on a Liverpudlian folk tune, which is now ear worming me. Peter Purves went on to a stalwart of Blue Peter and much more successful as a television presenter. Neil Patrick Harris is a member of The Magic Circle.

[@PeerAdder]

Absolutely!!! Zed not Zee. Long list of actors who got their break on the show, thought not sure I would include Geoffrey Hayes in that list (Rainbow anyone?)

[@Hounds_Tower]

Saying 'Zee' cars is a mistake of the same order as the infamous wrong hand gesture by Michael Fassbender's character in Inglorious Basterds. The Z-Cars theme tune is still used today at Everton so you can usually hear it on Match of Day when they have a match from Goodison Park.

[@richardfarrer5616]

I was about to make the same comment. Calling it Zee Cars is at least as wrong as calling a modern zombie movie World War Zed.

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

NPH is also a member of The Magic Castle in L.A.

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

@@PeerAdder It's Zee... and color and honor, defense, license,and ALUMINUM, not "Aluminium"... ;-P LOL

[@Usagi2380]

Neil Patrick Harris as the Toymaker is going to be awesome I can't wait 😀

[@JoshRazauskas]

Lots of things I didn’t know. Thanks you guys for everything you do! 🙌🏼

[@limdennis813]

First time see an American actor portrayed a doctor who villain

[@kadosho02]

This is going to be epic

[@MichaelThomas-cy2kr]

​@@limdennis813guessing you don't count the 96 TV Movie with Eric Roberts as canon then?

[@user-co8uy5rb2s]

​@@MichaelThomas-cy2krgood comment.

[@SSGTStryker]

I did love The Toymaker’s face card Easter egg. If you look carefully you can clearly see it’s the image of him from the classic era, traditional robes and all.

[@cthulhluftagn3812]

The Toymaker is a straight up Great Old One of lovecraft fame, the extended universe books wad unafraid to get all up in the cosmic horror/fantasy scene and R.T.Davis has said there gonna be including more fantasy elements in the new series.

[@donaldpingleton2382]

There's several doctor who novels and comics That deal with the toy maker The Marvel comic series from the 90s. That toy maker was a bigger deal than the master And I think Neil Patrick Harris gave us a clue. That the marvel comic series is cannon Because he mentioned his legion is coming That was a plot From the marvel comic book series in the eighties

[@novaworldlive]

Not to mention the Toymaker came back for the Big Finish audio, "Solitaire" featuring Charley as the main character while the Eighth Doctor remained a puppet. 10/10 = would recommend! Also Sylvester McCoy faces him in the audio adventure, "The Magic Mousetrap"

[@HellfireComms]

Thanks y'all, I actually needed this lol. Can't wait to see what they do with him in the last special.

[@WhoCulture]

Thank you - and same! Not long to wait now 😬

[@christinewhoyt]

SAS l'y, I won't be able to see it has we are celebrating my sister birthday although it has already past.

[@christinewhoyt]

​@@WhoCultureSadly, it's my turn to have plan

[@Jazzmin.Alexandria12]

@@WhoCulture Nope not long now and i cant wait and if NPH can pull this off i cant wait to see what he can do with other villains in Doctor Who if RTD brings him back witch i think he will

[@comicop2513]

Not a whole lot, considering he's in one special. Would be much better suited to a three-parter imo.

[@MrMann0123]

I just find it so odd that every long term fan ive spoken to immediately said that NPH was The Toymaker from the moment the first clip appeared. Just shows how they nailed it.

[@anubusx]

Bill and Ted should crossover with Doctor Who.

[@mrcritical6751]

He was dressed like a German Toymaker, it was kinda obvious

[@ehisey]

He just looks and sounds like the old Toymaker.

[@donaldpingleton2382]

@anubusx that happened in the marvel who comics

[@anubusx]

@@donaldpingleton2382 Wicked!!!

[@magusware8721]

Never heard of celestial being used in reference to an era chinese history. I've always known it to be related to the stars and other "heavenly bodies".

[@thewiseturtle]

I was wondering if this connotation is a British thing. (And, obviously, from years ago, not recently.)

[@teresarothaar6225]

Yeah, the angels on Lucifer call themselves "celestials," meaning not of the Earth. I too am wondering if the association with Chinese people is a Brit thing. I've never heard of it.

[@TheZodiacz]

In the Talons Of Weng-Chiang the term is used. Marvelous story and now with race-swapping actors being acceptable no more whinging from virtue signalers about John Bennett. The Chinese referred to their country amongst other names as Tianchao (Celestial Empire)as the emperor was the son of heaven, and it was a romantic way to refer to China and it's people.

[@GreenJimll]

@@teresarothaar6225 Its not a thing this old Brit has heard of before.

[@vortexnavigator]

Not just a British thing, @thewiseturtle - I've seen the term used in a few of the early Shadow novels as well. It's probably more an Anglophone thing than just English/American people.

[@DanBrizuela]

I find that the toymaker being associated with Asian stereotypes is a bit accidental. Yes celestial can be used as a way to offend Asians, but the clothes he wears were reused from Marco Polo because they didn’t have money to make a new one. Add to that the writing and gough’s performance never really makes it feel to how stereotypical Asian characters were done at the time. Could be wrong

[@johnernest5843]

I felt the same way too, especially with the context of The Giggle episode. The Toymaker isn't some heinous troll like the Master, who would want to get under your skin for the fun of it. He's all about games--and all of his mannerisms, outfits, and behaviors are towards that goal. He's a force of nature that sees no good or evil--only winning or losing in a game. He could be dressed in chinese attire, speaking with a german accent, or even wearing some other outlandish costume, and he'd still be a terrifying force to encounter.

[@milqueto4st231]

Well now he only offends Germans, so I am okay with that.

[@fromthethirdplanet]

@@milqueto4st231well, that’s alright then!

[@st.anselmsfire3547]

I just want to see David Tennant and Neil Patrick Harris in some ham to ham combat. It'll be amazing.

[@schoolingdiana9086]

You sound like you’ve seen Dr Horrible’s Sing-Along.

[@jennymckinnon9528]

I expect the scenery to chewed to tiny bits

[@lemonherb1]

I actually liked Michael Gough's portrayal in the Batman Knightfall audio drama more. It felt like Alfred had more to do in this than the movies

[@stevenbradburncomedy]

It makes sense how Alfred was so keen to help Bruce with the Riddler's riddle clues in Batman Forever 😂

[@FinalSeraphLeo]

This video about the Toymaker really spiced up my life

[@owenmcghee1666]

Well done for not saying toymaster 🤣 love this video

[@zaax]

The Not-things and the Toymaker both originate from beyond Doctor Who's universe as does the Doctor

[@cataclysmusultimus]

Isn’t it less that the toymaker originates beyond the universe as above it?

[@anubusx]

Same with The Trickster.

[@cataclysmusultimus]

@@anubusx The trickster?

[@archer5922]

@@cataclysmusultimusmostly seen in the Sarah Jane adventures, one of the big antagonists of the series and constantly causing havoc. Referenced in turn left with the fortune teller part of the tricksters brigade

[@anubusx]

@@cataclysmusultimus He was a villian in The Sarah Jane Adventures which featured David as The Doctor. He is mentioned in Turn Left.

[@Classix87]

After watching the specials I Was watch some episodes from Jodie’s Doctor and discovered the toymaker was mentioned by name in the episode ‘ can you hear me’ I was surprised by that.

[@thirtyfoursevenzero]

Zee Cars? Always Zed Cars! Muppet...

[@sheevpalpatine1105]

"will the 14th doctor's regeneration triggered by the toymakers machinations" Two weeks later: he literally shoots him

[@starclone4]

I`m having a great time, with more Doctor Who !!!!

[@YankeePendragon]

*If* they reference "The Nightmare Fair" or indicate the revelations therein are canon, The Toymaker is a lot scarier than he looks here. SPOILERS NEXT. According to "The Nightmare Fair", it appears that not only is The Toymaker a refugee from a now-destroyed alternative dimension, he's effectively immortal and indestructible because he's so completely at odds with how physics work in our dimension. Instead of getting closer to death as time goes on, he's getting further away from it. This isn't to say he's getting younger, but rather that he won't expire from any natural causes (whatever those might have been in his native timeline) the longer he's in ours. Worse, because of this, he has a control over our perceptions and responses to quantum reality that allows him to reshape things at a whim. Yet for all that, its implied there was nothing special or exceptional about The Toymaker's psyche compared to the rest of his race or ours. He's resorted to playing games within our universe as a way of keeping his sanity as he continued to live, and ultimately it didn't work. The consequence for all who have encountered him have been nightmarish. "The Nightmare Fair" ended with the Doctor trapping The Toymaker in a force bubble powered by The Toymaker's own mind, effectively leaving him imprisoned in there forever (or until the showrunners decided to bring him back). Here's hoping they at least imply this happened, as that would explain The Toymaker's apparently genocidal bent now.

[@alexfletcher5192]

Capaldi was always going on about 'The Web Planet' but, even with a colossally expanded budget, nobody is seriously considering 'Planet of the Moth People'. Mind you, it would look insane in colour.

[@animo358]

They do look annoyingly really awesome in their MTG Doctor Who Token honestly.

[@danieloneal7137]

I think a few more people need to post a comment about Zed Cars.

[@Ravenswalk]

Came here to say that Thank you and Peter went on to be in Blue Peter.

[@AndrewHalliwell]

Don't worry, I just did. The idiot needs a good slapping for that one.

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

The first actor to play The Toymaker was Michael Gough, who also played Alfred in the 90's Batman movies. The Riddler loves puzzles and games, Alfred helps Batman solve them, Alfred is the Toymaker confirmed, so Batman and Doctor Who share a universe. Doctor Who is now part Disney, Superman was mentioned in the Eternals, Marvel and DC exist in a shared universe with Doctor Who is canon. Tl;dr we can look forward to a Doctor Who episode where The Doctor helps rescue Robin from the evil clutches of Dr Doom.

[@JeremyDuncan]

I loved this video! I knew most of the info, but the presentation was impecable! I loved the music too.

[@nanotyrannusisnotvalid4820]

I would be over the moon to find out there are more Time Lords that survived the Time War, even evil ones

[@donaldpingleton2382]

He's not a time Lord But yes he regenerated I'm guessing me he's connected to wherever the hell the doctor originally came from

[@raphaelmerriman4901]

"Zee Cars"...? As much I respect the team that brings us these videos, you can tell when something simply exists outside of their frame of reference.

[@jamesaston2031]

Zed Cars. Come on guys

[@danieljfrancis]

"Zee" Cars?????!!!!!! C'mon Sean, it was our show not the Yanks ;) (Also Purves going on to be a well loved Children's TV Presenter could have been worth mentioning, including being a Blue Peter presenter (though I prefer to remember We Are The Champions!))

[@helzbelle13]

I just watched the third Toymaker episode today - be watching the final ep tomorrow - I’m really enjoying the old Toymaker serial. Weird they never brought him back until now. I really hope we delve into the backstory of the Doctor & the Toymaker in The Giggle!

[@HelFrostKara]

You watched a missing episode? Damn that's a feat! 🤭

[@billkoch2189]

@@HelFrostKara that's what I was thinking :)

[@helzbelle13]

@@HelFrostKara the missing episodes have been reconstructed as images, with the audio track, and sometimes subtitles where action takes place without speech. I’ve been watching those on Dailymotion where the episodes are missing from iPlayer

[@TotallyOriginality]

​@@HelFrostKarathe audio is probably available

[@Jogproof]

The Folks at Loose Cannon reconstructed the first 3 in '99 and even remade them in 2012 it's up online @@HelFrostKara

[@jaxkthereaper6569]

The toymaker is bound by the rules of the game. The first version of the toymaker played with a version of the doctor second one played with two versions of the doctor. If he was a Time Lord he would have had to regenerate himself because of the rules that he himself stated. So no he's not a Time Lord.

[@georgedenison3247]

The video we didn’t know we needed!

[@1978rharris]

Did you just say ZEE Cars?!?! Ffs, Sean!

[@geronimoletsplays]

A good informative video Sean. Z Cars is pronounced Zed Cars, not American that’s how the letter certainly was then and as far as I’m concerned still is corrected pronounced in Britain.

[@schoolingdiana9086]

He’s got an Irish accent (narrating), not an American one, so best guess is he’s going for the most widely understood pronunciation, which isn’t Zed.

[@InsaneProf]

@@schoolingdiana9086 only americans pronounce Z as zee - pretty much every other english speaking country uses the zed pronounciation.

[@quantisedspace7047]

​@@schoolingdiana9086The Irish pronounce it as Zed, the same as the rest of the English speaking world, outside of the USA. A non-American pronouncing it that way just grates, like a non-American saying 'b*ck', rather than dollar,, or a non-American saying 'Bir Ming Heeum'

[@t.rdixon6869]

I know this couldn't have worked given that Michael Gough (the guy that played Toymaker back in 1966) died over a decade ago-- but it would've been awesome to see him reprise his role here. Could you imagine how badass that would've been? To see the same Toymaker-- much older, with a grudge that's lasted for a thousand years. It wouldn't have been as playful and fun as Harris' version, but I personally think a darker, more torturous villain would've been fun in it's own right.

[@masterofmythology]

Oh this is gonna be so good.

[@saintofselhurst]

I definitely did not know he portrayed Alfred! My personal favourite portrayal of Alfred!

[@merseybear]

"Zed" Cars, Never zee!

[@darrenlgreen]

I knew most of these things! But I have loved the Toymaker since I first saw the original episodes. Also, celestial isn’t even a racist slur. That’s a relatively new myth. That serial does however have a racist slur when a character plays eenie meenie.

[@milqueto4st231]

Well i learned a new slur. That... is something i had no idea about.

[@TheToonMonkey]

"Zee cars". Oh, that just embarrassing.

[@daspsych3156]

Always just celestial, as in space, the cosmos, and beyond for me.

[@R_SENAL]

Ok, I had to Google that last one I've never heard the word celestial refer to anything other than space. My wife is Filipino and she'd never heard of this either from her part of the world. That's wild. I grew up with Doctors 4-7 and watched what was available of 1-3 but never in all these years have I heard about this. Weird. And yeah, only 3 returning things from the Hartnell era. I can think of 4 from Troughton right now, 4 from Pertwee, and the only thing I can think of from Baker is Zygons... Maybe Ncuti will fix that and face the Black Guardian or the Rutan Host. Would love both of those prospects!

[@derekp308]

The Sisterhood of Karn are from the 4th Doctor era, appearing in The Brain of Morbius.

[@R_SENAL]

@@derekp308 Oh yeah, but I didn't consider them villains, but yeah, true.

[@TheZodiacz]

the term celestial is used by Jago in The Talons of Weng-Chiang. The Black Guardian reappeared with the 5th Dr and Movellans with the 12th Doctor.

[@R_SENAL]

@@TheZodiacz I know BG has his own 5th Doc Trilogy, but I was thinking more of things from old WHO brought back to new WHO. And you're right, Movellans were brought back ever so briefly, good call!

[@TheMurphyn]

"Zee cars" !?! OMG, why did nobody correct this????

[@DavidProv]

I honestly thought we were going to get an animated release of the original Celestrial Toymaker story...or something like that...before The Giggle. I guess we aren't now.

[@CyrilNation]

Watch the one made by dinopuff its honestly the closest thing we'll get to an official animation

[@ehisey]

We did.

[@grahamhobbs3501]

I had a toy Mechanoid as a kid. Love to see them again - better than Zarbi and Menoptera any day.

[@AlexMTG_]

We know Toymaker isn't a Time Lord - his magic card was previewed yesterday as a rogue artificer

[@SleepyHarryZzz]

In the trailer he also refers to the meeting as "The Toy maker and the Time Lord", which would be strange phrasing if he himself was one

[@timelordsalad]

Okay sure but that doesn’t disprove the point made in the video that he was originally intended to be a member of The Doctor’s race

[@AlexMTG_]

@@timelordsalad I didn't say anything about intent, you could be right. The vid also suggested RTD could say Toymaker is a TL, that's what my comment directly addresses. WOTC worked closely with BBC, if BBC were going to release a detail like Toymaker being a TL they would've ensured WOTC didn't 1) preview it early 2) label it the wrong type

[@gavinbar1988]

9:30 is it a coincidence that in that part of the trailer The Doctor and The Toymaker are wearing the same outfit?

[@limdennis813]

After "the celestial toymaker" premiered for 57 years, this is the first time we see toymaker appeared on screen in a TV series episode since 1966

[@gilgameshofuruk4060]

Yeah, w'know.

[@Mark-nh2hs]

The Celestial Toymaker I don't think he ls a Time lord - the way he acts reminds me of The Black and White Guardians. Maybe he's a rogue Guardian that's why he connects with the Doctor.

[@Nykona-Sharrowkyn]

What the heck is 'zee cars'? It's 'ZED cars'

[@timecontroller8800]

One thing I felt was absent in this video was the covering of where in a novel we get to find out about that first meeting with the toy maker when the doctor and two of his school friends managed to go to the celestial toy room after steeling a tardis and only the doctor escaped with one of them being turned into a doll and the other becoming the toy makers new body this lead to the doctors expulsion from the academy

[@bclark3614]

Interesting! Yeah, that seems like a huge detail to leave out 😂

[@TheYoungDoctor]

The first / fifth Doctors Past Doctor Adventure Divided Loyalties.

[@ThetaSigma-vu1sk]

Although as far as I remember, the Doctor didn't escape, the Toymaker let him go because they knew the Doctor would be a much more worthy opponent when he was older.

[@ehisey]

The episode skips over any none TV references of the Toymaker.

[@chrisgraham9064]

Brilliant ❤

[@Directorkey718]

Did you confuse "Celestial" with "Oriental"? If I recall, in the last era of WHO, we met two more Celestials...the brother and sister...I assumed it referred to the type of Beings they were.

[@williamkingham3303]

I just looked into it, and no, apparently Chinese immigrants were once referred to as Celestials Because the Chinese government referred to China as the Celestial empire. (In Chinese obviously) And so translating that gave the western world a “poetic” way to refer to the Chinese immigrants. Edit: and based on what I could find, the Chinese also referred to themselves as this? So I’m honestly not sure how this was ever a slur, or why it’s offensive I really can’t find anything on that part.

[@Stray7]

@@williamkingham3303 It became a slur the way "negro" became one -- hostile usage by people who weaponized it against a minority they wanted to denigrate. You'll find hostile and dismissive uses of Celestial referring to Chinese people specifically and Asian people more broadly in Westerns, particularly pulp Westerns.

[@Cee1003]

I'm 57 years old and never heard this before. I'm sure RTD will be giving his explanation on this when he does his after show party. I'm more interested if this is the story based on the comic. What a blinder to have 2/3 comeback stories from pre conceived material. All that aside, the Toy maker I'd an old favourite and good for the show to bring him forward, looking forward to Neil who is one of my favourites since How I met your Mother.

[@Stray7]

@@Cee1003 You probably don't read a lot of pulpy westerns for fun, then. I do, so I know this from personal experience with the trope (I'm also 42, so your age means very little to me and isn't proof of anything other than "different people have had different life experiences"). Since I haven't read any of the Doctor Who comics, this is all fresh material to me, and I loved Neil in Doctor Horrible's Sing-A-Long Blog, so this is all fine by me.

[@Cee1003]

@@Stray7 I hate westerns mate, my point was going this long without recognising a racist term that's all.

[@kilroywashere513]

I don’t remember this character, but I have seen video clips from Dr. Who of where this character was mentioned mostly🤔.

[@andrewscott2670]

Glad you had a loverly time overseas but “Zee-Cars”? Lol.

[@Concreteowl]

Zed Cars😭

[@julianaylor4351]

The theme tune is KZbin and some episodes are available on KZbin and DVD. ❤️

[@drumsrox]

I almost wonder if the reason the Toymaker looks different more than just a recasting is because He actually Regenerated also,and that instead of a Celestial He’s actually a Timelord we’ve never seen or Heard of like the Master. Each Timetot/Timelord chooses their Title and to me The Toymaker sounds more like a Timelord Title than that of a Celestial,just my two cents.

[@markpostgate2551]

I would say it is an avatar. A non-corporeal being of a higher plane can only interact with beings on the lower physical plane by manifesting a physical form that mortals can comprehend. This physical form could be whatever they please. Maybe a stay-puft marshmallow man in the case of Gozer the Destroyer when it delegates the choice of appearance to the Ghostbusters. No reason the Toymakers body should look the same if it is not really his body.

[@drumsrox]

@@markpostgate2551 Lmao the Stay Puft,Nice & Yeah you’re correct,I guess Wel have to wait & see.

[@andrewmorton7482]

"Zee Cars"? Did you say "Zee Cars"? I'm Sure that's "Zed Cars".

[@schoolingdiana9086]

Only in 2 countries. The rest of the English speaking world says “zee.”

[@dw7704]

@@schoolingdiana9086you mean like how it’s pronounced “Zed” by the country that made the show? I mean ZZ Top, being American pronounces the band name Zee Zee, not Zed Zed, so I will follow suit, but Z Cars, based on where it was made is Zed Cars, no matter what country one is in.

[@ChrisMentzer]

Great list! I have read The Nightmare Fair. Can't recall if it was good or not.

[@derekp308]

I’ve listened to the Big Finish audio. It seemed like it could have been a good story, and a departure from the grim and grotesque stories of the Sixth Doctor’s first season (although I’m not saying that Vengence on Varos, The Two Doctors, and Revelation of the Daleks are bad stories).

[@TheDrunkSith]

My favourite story with the toymaker so far is the Divided loyalties book, super excited to see NPH’s take on the character!

[@MusicHandsAbrupt]

I’ve always thought the Toymaker was a Time-Lord. I hope it comes to be true!!

[@TheZodiacz]

There was a reference in a story that he is an Eternal like those encountered by the 5th Doctor.

[@Yetaxa]

he is not a Time Lord. He wouldn't even work as a Time Lord. He is far beyond that

[@quantisedspace7047]

I've often entertained the idea that Time Lords (or a sub faction of same) get to pick a title denoting which aspect of reality they 'manage', all if which traditionally have a definite article: The Doctor, The Master, The Trickster, The Valeyard, The Toymaker. It's as if they're pieces in some game or simulation, each taking a specific role.

[@MattHarropActor]

Zee Cars…. 😂

[@abbbab-dr6jp]

Does anyone know where the Napoleon clip at 1:40 comes from? The Napoleon in s1e8 is black and white.

[@ChrisC11291980]

I didn’t know they attempted to bring him back in Tom Baker’s era. That would’ve been cool.

[@donaldpingleton2382]

There was actually a novel Where tom bakers doctor face the toy maker There's also several audio adventures where different doctors have faced the toy maker It was even hinted at once that the doctor and the toy maker are related

[@nicka3697]

You called it zee cars 😂😂

[@quantisedspace7047]

It's pronounced ZED Cars.

[@schoolingdiana9086]

Only in 2 countries.

[@drs-xj3pb]

@@schoolingdiana9086Including the one that produced the show.

[@quantisedspace7047]

@@schoolingdiana9086What are you talking about ? It's a British show and the correct pronunciation of that letter is evident throughout the show's dialogue.

[@CNormanHocker]

Will they tie the Toymaker with the Timeless Child? What if the Doctor is a member of the Toymaker's race, and the, now, Time Lords manipulated the Doctor's DNA. Just a thought.

[@Captain.AmericaV1]

Or maybe the toymaker is the Drs father 😊

[@TotallyOriginality]

​@@Captain.AmericaV1that sounds so stupid

[@ehisey]

Toymaker does not have race. Just an incarnation he or rather it is a fundamental force.

[@MrMann0123]

Dude... its zed cars not Zee cars

[@David-The-YorkshireMan]

yeah, it was called Zed cars not Zee cars

[@MrMann0123]

@@David-The-YorkshireMan and starred an early Man Mountain, Boss Nass, King Vultan, Polar Bear punching Brian Blessed.

[@CuriosityRocks]

Zee Cars?? It’s Zed Cars

[@DocFunkenstein]

The only real big question about the Toymaker is why he's called the Toymaker instead of the Gamemaster.

[@TheYoungDoctor]

According to ther off screen material the Toymaker is also known as the Crystal Guardian (The Quantum Archangel) or the Guardian of Dreams (Divided Loyalties).

[@stuartcork1249]

Also non cannon- I believe that there was a Fifth(?) Doctor novel which reminisced the younger years of both the Doctor and Toymaker. It explained that the Toymaker was exiled from Gallifrey after an incident involving (three friends) himself the Doctor and a third with tragic consequences. I don't want to give too many spoilers and can't remember the title though.

[@MichaelThomas-cy2kr]

Undivided Loyalties. I could be wrong though

[@davidioanhedges]

@@MichaelThomas-cy2kr Divided Loyalties, it's the Doctor and some friends from Gallifrey visiting The Toymaker, the Friends are from the Deca, a group of like minded students, including The Master, The Monk, The Rani, and The War Chief. ...

[@MichaelThomas-cy2kr]

@@davidioanhedges thanks knew the plot just wasn't 100 percent on the title

[@darkage1524]

Ngl at first i thought he was the master when he showed up

[@brianfretwell3886]

The Toymaker was originally Celestial as he was in the stars on his own world, now He is on Earth in our world (or is it really our world in this???) so he is now The Toymaker.

[@kingofnonation5843]

They stopped using that term back in classic who.

[@meganofsherwood3665]

I wonder if Donna is the only real one here, and everyone else is constructed. Perhaps the Doctor is a sentient "repeat" because The Toymaker wants to hash it out again and win... I don't know, sounds like the kind of twisty logic RTD might try! Looking forward to it regardless!

[@steeno7880]

Couldn’t it be plausible that the toymaker is the master just much much older?

[@paulfoster5323]

WTF is Zee Cars!!!! It's Zed Cars 🤣🤣

[@lesguiblin4463]

I’m sorry but the show was called Zed cars. Zee cars sounds weird!!

[@annieworroll4373]

Idea: The Doctor doesn't come from the series primary universe, at least, not from anywhere in the vicinity of Gallifrey. Maybe they're from some supremely distant galaxy, but while a Time Lord in title, he's certainly not a Gallifrey born Time Lord. Maybe Toymaker is not a Time Lord at all, but another native of The Doctors original home world?

[@ehisey]

Making Toymaker a Timelord would be a character change. But making The Doctor a 4th cosmology pillar would atleast be cleaner that the story setup in Timeless Child.

[@petemorris8499]

Zee Cars? Zee? Really?

[@Drethyr]

Neil good job... would have been better as the Master 😘

[@mk1k]

First time i saw this i was just kind of enjoying the absurdity of a doctor who villan dancing to spice girls But the second time i found something about the scene cosmically horrifying

[@roblough3314]

Zee Cars 😂

[@jennymckinnon9528]

“Zee Cars”!!!! ?

[@andrewtempest2092]

It's Zed Cars.

[@DBuckyBoy]

"Zee Cars"? Where in America is your Irish accent from?

[@graemedebenham3338]

The Ice Warriors and Silurians are in old and new Who too.

[@22espec]

I think he means the enemies of the first doctor

[@dolgorukysvyatoslav4662]

He out loud said Hartnell era enemies

[@michaelinterbartolo3]

thanks this was very helpful to be ready for saturday night's ep.

[@Dreamcloud9ify]

ZED cars! I physically cringed when I heard the pronunciation.

[@schoolingdiana9086]

Again, that’s only the way it’s pronounced in 2 countries that speak English.

[@Dreamcloud9ify]

@@schoolingdiana9086 We invented the language, so it's pronounced ZED. End of debate.

[@dw7704]

@@schoolingdiana9086so which 2 countries?

[@dankenstein528]

Magic The Gathering just revealed a card for the Toymaker which is named "The Celestial Toymaker" it is a name they could continue to use because 99% of the audience is going to assume it means "from the stars" so it can simply be recontextualized in meaning

[@InsaneProf]

Z CARS is pronounced Zed Cars - it was a british show, not an american show.

[@JasonAndrew1973]

Am I supposed to root for NPH's Toymaker? Because I'm lowkey rooting for him.

[@UncannyGirl]

This video about the The Toy Maker on the same day his card was previewed for the final cards of the Magic: The Gathering x Doctor Who collaboration is fantastic timing. So, a bit surprised the Culture team didn't drop a video about one of the cards appearing to be a HUGE (albeit predictible) spoiler for the 3rd special. Since the Culture team has ignored the entirity of the MTGxWHO collaboration on this channel, it's possible the team is unaware that the entire Design Team at Wizards of the Coast tasked with this collaborations are all Whovians or that the lead designer Gavin worked with BBC's Doctor Who team for ALL ASPECTS of cannon for the entire collaboration. The design of everything involved the Series' bible to ensure no aspect of the collaboration wasn't 100% accurate to the show... even if a piece of cannon has NEVER been said out loud to the public prior. The design team even had contact with every single Who actor as likeness approval for every piece of art was a factor of this design. As a result, its been one of the most important pieces of show merch/collaboration ever before.

[@Selfinflictedhummusrocket]

What's the spoiler?

[@mrshannonite4016]

You do know that show is pronounced Zed Cars, not Zee Cars? Damn, I hate having to be pedantic, but you do make life difficult.

[@julianaylor4351]

The theme tune is now ear worming me. 🎶📺😁

[@stuartgrier5605]

You are not american, so pronounce the words properly - ZED is how we pronounce the final letter of the alphabet.

[@gonzoalorange]

"Zee cars?" "ZEE cars?!" *smh*

[@philiphanan1493]

In the Doctor Who Special 3, The Toymaker claims to have bested God yet is afraid of The One Who Waits. I’m assuming The One Who Waits is Satan and The Toymaker is jealous of the influence he has over humanity. So, apparently, The Toymaker has the same abilities as God Himself, making him a god in a different galaxy than the Milky Way. This would mean God claimed to be alone in Genesis because he was separated from The Toymaker due to some feud they had. They obviously had some fallout in the past.

[@davidioanhedges]

There are several characters who patiently wait ... One is waiting at the end of time to play a game of Chess ... Ashildr/Me ....

[@nickshafer9835]

The irony in this situation lies in the contrasting treatment of cultural elements. On the one hand, traditional Chinese robes were considered problematic and consequently removed, likely due to cultural sensitivity and appropriation concerns. This decision reflected a heightened awareness of respecting different cultures and avoiding stereotypes or offensive portrayals. On the other hand, Neil Patrick Harris was permitted to use an awful German accent in a different context. TWhile the intention may not have been to offend or stereotype, using a poorly executed German accent can still perpetuate stereotypes and reinforce misconceptions about a particular culture.

[@gibbygarbo9475]

The German accent was meant to offend lol, RTD wrote him as a racist (cause he is) and there is more examples of of being genuinely racist shown in the giggle apart then the changing accents he does

[@PathsUnwritten]

A basic introduction outlining motivations and abilities at the beginning would've been nice considering it's ben something like 50 years since the last appearance when most of the current audience wasn't even alive. When you said "he can control reality", that's just unexplained and 'where did that come from?'

[@NeahMinto88]

There was no explanation of why or how the toymaker can do what they can do There isn't a lot known much about the toymaker

[@wispa1a]

Im calling it. The toymaker just created the Valiard.