EDIT: All the easter eggs in the Memory TARDIS! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gImYlYWihLqbpZo Let us know your final season rankings, and we'll see you back here for the easter eggs this week! (Spoiler alert: there's a LOT).
@harveyburton72 ай бұрын
1. 73 yards 2. Rogue 3. Dot and bubble 4.Boom 5.The legend of ruby Sunday 6.The devils chord 7. The church on ruby road 8.Empire of death 9. Space babies
@Rubberduckboy1232 ай бұрын
1) 73 yards 2) Rouge 3) BOOM 4) Empire of death 5) The devils chord 6) The church on Ruby road 7) The legend of Ruby Sunday 8) Dot and bubble 9) Space babies Mind you I still preferred everything in this season to Chibnals era.
@jessehammer1232 ай бұрын
I think: 1. Boom 2. 73 Yards 3. Dot and Bubble 4. Legend of Ruby Sunday 5. The Devil’s Chord 6. Rogue 7. Empire of Death 8. The Church on Ruby Road 9. Space Babies
@BadWolfBricks2 ай бұрын
Over I really enjoyed this season Personal Opinion: 9.) space babies (not horrible but definitely the weakest) 8.) Rouge (the romance did not do it for me) 7.) Church on ruby road (This is where I began really liking them) 6.) the devils Cord (Fun story, style, and villain) 5.) Dot and bubble (overall okay but that twist…wow) 4.) Boom (Classic Moffat and I love it) 3.) Empire of death (some things I was okay with, some things I loved) 2.) legend of ruby Sunday (Twists and turns had my jaw on the floor the whole time) 1.) 73 yards (In my top 10 episodes ever)
@MrMann01232 ай бұрын
I'm hoping you're more positive than the other day, but all entitled to their opinion.
@jasonstillwagner62482 ай бұрын
I think the biggest handicap to this season has been that there are only 8 episodes.
@1987TimeLord2 ай бұрын
Agreed. Eight episodes was not enough to make me believe in the level of friendship that Ruby and The Doctor have by the end.
@jasonstillwagner62482 ай бұрын
@@1987TimeLord I firmly blame the streaming "revolution" of the pandemic for the shortening of seasons
@look4lec2 ай бұрын
Streaming has neutered regular shows, LOST used to have 24-25 episodes a season such that when it was a rerun or recap episode, we would riot. This explains why 5 people in the show got DUIs...
@stevenmcmullan4092 ай бұрын
My only real issue is that there wasn't ever any real explanation for the snow and the music that followed Ruby wherever she went.
@caneighdianjake84392 ай бұрын
Was the music real for the characters or was it just background audio for the tv audience to set the mood and act as an auditory cue. I cant remember if anyone ever commented on the Christmas carol. I just remember the continual mention of the physical manifestation of the snow.
@theavenger23782 ай бұрын
@@caneighdianjake8439I thought it happened in Devil's Chord, but that had some 4th wall breaky bits so don't know if it could be down to Maestro there. I'd have to rewatch the other episodes to check if there was more.
@bradcsuka50542 ай бұрын
@@caneighdianjake8439 Pretty sure that it was real for the characters
@mazzucac2 ай бұрын
They explained it. That moment in time is so raw and open that it echoes forward or backwards through time.
@benllewellyn2972 ай бұрын
@@caneighdianjake8439 They did specifically mention in character that the music was Carol of the Bells.
@davidcallahan87102 ай бұрын
First there was a Pond, then there was a River, now we've got a Flood.
@MarkMichalowski2 ай бұрын
Bring on season three's Big Bad - Professor Deluge!
@davidcallahan87102 ай бұрын
@@MarkMichalowski Hahah🌊
@jasonjimerson70462 ай бұрын
What is up with Davies/Moffett's obsession with water?
@Oddlot09302 ай бұрын
They really need to add about 10-15 minutes of run time. All these stories would feel so much more complete if they just had a little more time in each episode.
@mjgilbert54752 ай бұрын
15 more minutes of space babies or the devil’s chord would have killed me.
@WhoCulture2 ай бұрын
Or even just 5 minutes to take them up to 50!
@Flapalapagus2 ай бұрын
The charm with the Older Seasons of Who is you had a lot more episodes in general to get to know and actually connect with the characters. Her Family felt a bit 2 dimensional just given we had so little interaction with the Sundays.
@KnightRaymund2 ай бұрын
@@mjgilbert5475 Devil's Chord was great, imo
@lesigh17492 ай бұрын
Why draw out the agony?
@mhking2 ай бұрын
The Ruby's mom reveal was a big letdown for me, primarily because of the snow thing. Now, if there's a separate -- significant -- reason for the "snow thing," then I'm all in. But the significance of that is major. It's gotta be the elephant in the room that was left hanging.
@doctor_sixty2 ай бұрын
100% agreed, that open angle bugs me the most.
@NickBelis2 ай бұрын
Yeah I hope she got something special going on from her fathers side (although she's human), I want to excuse everything but that snow needs a resolution in the Christmas special !
@davidestabilini44682 ай бұрын
In the end of the episode it’s snowing around mrs Flood and it doesn’t seem to be (or at least I don’t think it is) winter. I think she is the reason of it all.
@rwrobwalker2 ай бұрын
Agreed, I have no issue with the reveal but as has been said on these videos, it was the clues and red herrings which were misleading. I mean there is no way the actor was a 15 year old in a cloak in 2004, her hands were much older and who was around to witness the pointing to a street name which wasn’t actually there previously either. I’m actually inclined to believe the hooded figure was not actually the Mother afterall but Mrs Flood. That would make sense as it didn’t have to be the actual Mother dropping her daughter at the church for both to be true.
@langleymneely2 ай бұрын
I honestly think it’s a completely different thing that will eventually get explained. We all just assumed that the identity of Rubys parents had something to do with the snow. My money is on having an explanation in time for the Christmas special.
@knitcrochettiger3612 ай бұрын
i loved Cherri Sunday's response when Louis said she didn't come for Ruby because she thought they would hate her....Cherri said, "There is no hate in this house.".....i wish more homes i this world had that as the #1 Rule
@joshua-we9xr2 ай бұрын
I love it for IRL, but it felt like a "we're all friends and no explanations of anything will ever happen" in writing.
@tacobowler2 ай бұрын
I never thought that “the one who waits” was the same as “the boss.” So I’m assuming that the Meep’s Boss is different from Sutekh, and possibly who Rogue was referring to as needing more paperwork.
@andygozzo722 ай бұрын
yep, i think a separate 'thing' ...
@Luke888882 ай бұрын
Maybe "the oldest one" isn't "the one who waits"
@annaeliassabates34242 ай бұрын
I assumed the boss was Sutekh and "the one who waits" and "the one who needs more paperwork" are the same
@andygozzo722 ай бұрын
@@Luke88888 yep, i think not the same thing 😉
@heatherfyffe36182 ай бұрын
The Boss can't be Sutekh. He didn't have any power other than what he could do through the Tardis, using the field to create Susans. He needed the final bit of his grand plan -- the time window thing - before he could manifest. There's no way that he was *communicating* with anyone else in a role of "boss".
@joshualynch11072 ай бұрын
They should have let Sutekh find out who Ruby’s mom is , then he could say, “What?! That’s it? That’s why I haven’t killed you yet?” And Ruby says, “Yep,” before leashing the dog. Lol
@themanofconnor2 ай бұрын
23:35 That cliffhanger would be maybe a bit too similar to Infinity War, but I tend to agree. Also that scene with the woman and the spoon would've hit SO hard if it was the start of Empire of Death.
@joshua-we9xr2 ай бұрын
Yeah, the spoon as an opener would have felt like some of the darker 10 and 12 moments. I would have loved that.
@OsbiaNnight2 ай бұрын
I can't imagine Sutek caring about paperwork like the Rogue was talking about and I can't imagine the Meep following the Sutek for some reason.
@steveblackie12 ай бұрын
Mrs flood you might do
@StephenLeGresley2 ай бұрын
I think Ms. Flood Might be the Meeps boss or it could be someone new we haven't seen yet. I would love to see Beep return next season tbh.
@AlexOnABoat2 ай бұрын
Isn't Mrs Flood wearing a meep fur coat? @@StephenLeGresley
@Happymama122 ай бұрын
@@StephenLeGresleymaybe I might be in the minority but I despised the meep story lol I thought it was absolutely ridiculous. I mean it was nice to see Donna though so I liked that part. Just the meep thing seemed so wild to me. I might’ve enjoyed it more if he was a nice character but even then I could do without a sequel to that storyline. Idc about his boss lol just pretend he didn’t happen.
@Happymama122 ай бұрын
@@StephenLeGresleythey/them*** My bad forgot proper pronouns which was literally addressed in the episode 🤦♀️
@RogerWilber2 ай бұрын
"73 Yards" still popping up feels like "Bad Wolf" to me.
@422katieleigh2 ай бұрын
Omg you’re SO RIGHT that the woman with the spoon should’ve been the 2nd episode cold open. I’m now lowkey upset that’s not what happened.
@ZappaBlues2 ай бұрын
Main reason for a number of unanswered questions is simply 8 episodes instead of 13.
@katherinejoseph71332 ай бұрын
okay, one final comment from me, about the woman with the spoon. I think the sheer simplicity and deep humanity of the woman giving the spoon was another version of the 'ordinariness' of Ruby's mum. Ordinary people are precious and magnificent -- and are actually so important they may in fact save the universe
@unknowjondoe2 ай бұрын
I feel like Sutek sitting on the Tardis the whole time was more "The Dotor is powerless without his machine, if I show I have claimed it I have won"
@doctor_sixty2 ай бұрын
But he just remembered a new one. 😅
@Streifi2 ай бұрын
What about the other TARDIS then? When the TARDIS got duplicated, did Sutekh get duplicated as well, or did he just cling to a single TARDIS?
@MrMann01232 ай бұрын
@@StreifiI believe it's the same one at different points. In the commentary for one of the Tennent ones RTD explains that it is the same one and we will have proof towards the end of the season.. Which I assume to be this
@spideyN8R2 ай бұрын
@@Streifi I personally think that the duplicated TARDIS came from the future, and so 14's TARDIS will then go to the past and become 15's.
@Streifi2 ай бұрын
@@MrMann0123 I guess the only true onscreen proof (for me, at least) would be for Tennant's Doctor and TARDIS to merge with Ncuti's Doctor and TARDIS again at some point in the future. There are many weird plot threads left...
@GwynforJamesEricPritchard2 ай бұрын
Sutekh must have been beyond the detection of the TARDIS because, In the Doctor's Wife, the TARDIS probably would have told the Doctor surely.
@matthewhegarty2873Ай бұрын
Yeah that seriously bugs me! “I exist across all time and space and have the last of the Osiran’s riding on my back through all of time and space and you talk and run around and bring home strays” imagine 11’s reaction to that sudden bombshell!
@jnmusic99692 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think the all the problems of this season simply stem from the fact that there are only 8 episodes, it’s simply not enough time to create compelling stories with compelling endings. Despite all the shortcomings, this is best doctor who in many years
@RevoIverOceIot2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the thoughtful discussions, great presentation, and responsive upload times! You’ve made watching this season of Who very involving rather than just reading surface level speculation on the subreddits. I’ve enjoyed exploring your other Who content and I look forward to your next up/down! :)
@jamiecairns91112 ай бұрын
I hate people saying ruby found her mother, her mother is the woman who raised her
@Donnagata14092 ай бұрын
A relative of mine was adopted. Years later his bio parents came to meet him. They told him: "We are your parents" He said: "No, my parents are the ones who raised me."
@dickottel2 ай бұрын
hello, we share 50% of our DNA
@Doodler-JL2 ай бұрын
I like the way you two review each episode. You're thorough, methodical, and unbiased. I would count that as an UP.
@RyanHaney552 ай бұрын
The official Doctor Who Instagram posted a collage and said "The Pantheon is growing." So, I don't think we're done with the gods and goddesses.
@Flapalapagus2 ай бұрын
Definitely not they listed way too many gods for them to just be done with them. Not to mention Mrs. Flood’s declaration that she would storm Cherry’s makers gates in her TRUE NAME. Which feels like it relates back to Harriet’s spiel at the end of The Legend of Ruby Sunday where she said “his one true name forevermore is… Sutekh”
@tnlwithtrixiekat4782 ай бұрын
They did say Ruby and her story is 2 seasons long.
@chrisd19822 ай бұрын
I think this episode sums up exactly how I feel about every episode and that's simply that although they have been good and enjoyable they just don't quite seem to have stuck the landing, I also think that despite ncuti being great in the role I feel one he has personally been missing is that one seen where it shows just how powerful or terrifying the Dr can be, I'm thinking Matt Smith calling the aliens back to scare the hell out of them or David Tennant telling the vashtan narada there in the biggest library in the universe and to look him up
@lycos942 ай бұрын
was mrs flood's coat made out of meeps
@Seal06262 ай бұрын
I'm disappointed and flabbergasted that they had a big song and dance number, they had Jonathan Groff, and they had Bonnie Langford, but the three were kept apart.
@MistakenWhatnot2 ай бұрын
The difference between “ooooh BAD WOLF IS A ….WAS A THING OMG” and “ruby’s mum ruby’s mum ruby’s mum…oh”
@jasonfurmanek2 ай бұрын
They need to make up a lot of ground before they will reach Bad Wolf levels of integration.
@tyroga2 ай бұрын
I have a theory… a wild theory… here goes… apologies for the length: Louise Alison Miller is not Ruby’s mum… there I said it… Mrs Flood, the story teller gave her a happy ending, but it’s a lie. And we’ll learn this next season. Everyone’s been like… if she’s a nurse how did Davina not find her, if she’s a regular person how could they not know? Maybe because she wasn’t a thing until Mrs Flood brought her into being via story. Even the text messages Ruby was receiving in the TARDIS about her dad, while saying she’ll just be a minute, seemed too perfectly timed to push her to leave the Doctor. The snow can’t just be a weird manifestation without explanation. “Doctor Who” has always asked for a little suspension of disbelief, but it hasn’t really ever said “well that’s all you get and we don’t care if it doesn’t make sense”… so I think this is another RTD misdirection with a (hopefully) satisfying explanation coming soon. Even the blurb by the Doctor at unit, his suggesting the figure was pointing at the road sign, then us seeing the recorded footage show the sign appearing out of nothing, while we all know it wasn’t there before… goes back to the Doctor telling us in the Time Window that his memory of the moment keeps changing… and these changes were reflected in the recording. We know, because he said, that memory is the most powerful thing… so him having a (false) memory of a sign made it so. But of course this wasn’t Ruby’s mum “naming her” because other than the Doctors’ new recollection of this moment, no one else was there to see this… even when poor Chidozie was in the time window he didn’t see a sign post at which she may have been pointing, he was talking about her pointing up the street. And finally, I’m partly feeling all this because of Mrs Flood’s declaration “I had such plans” as she and Cherry fade to dust, followed by “that clever boy” as she and Cherry return. I feel this gives credence to the notion Mrs Flood is a god/god-like entity who knows of the others (her speech to Cherry as the dust of death comes for them) but was also doing her own thing only to be stymied by the god of gods Sutekh destroying everything (including her) before she could finish her own plans. But now she’s back from dust and Sutekh is dead, she’s the big enemy of the next season for sure. But in short… RTD is not going to leave this many holes in the plot… he’ll plug them all… in time. -------- Meanwhile, that final scene with Ruby and family standing in the hall… Cherry can clearly get up and around… she could make her own damn tea! 🤣
@mrwittyone2 ай бұрын
In the scene where the Doctor, Ruby and Mel go into that office to look for DNA matching Ruby's in order to find her mother, the computer makes a "frzzz" noise just becoming up with the name.
@Donnagata14092 ай бұрын
Hey, you, show some respect and bring Cherry her tea! #GiveCherryHerCuppa
@alanhyland56972 ай бұрын
Having had some time to reflect on it, there are some things I liked about the episode, but it was also very much a let-down in ways. I think it was a mistake to make Ruby's mother an ordinary human after all the build-up. Overall, I'd have liked to have had more episodes, to build up the relationships and develop the characters more.
@gregg68312 ай бұрын
Kate is Col. Sexy's boss. They're gonna have to have some discussions with HR.
@kingboarhog2 ай бұрын
A successful finale should wrap up the main story in a satisfying way while leaving loose ends so we're excited to come back. I've been travelling with The Doctor all my lives and I've never felt so misled that I was still cross about it four days later. This finale landed like a bag of mud. I'll definitely be back for Christmas but right now, I don't care who her Dad is... A butcher probably... Mrs. Flood... Constantly staring at the camera saying, "Guess who I am!!!"... It's not satisfying in any way. ALSO!!! In the Doctor's Wife... As a thought, "Before I go... I just wanted to say... Sutekh is on the roof, you should probably look into that." I'm Irked. Well, and truly... Irked.
@fantasticmrfox812 ай бұрын
I know, right? 😂 Is there a another Sutekh still sitting on top of the 14th Doctor's Tardis, currently in Donna Nobles garden? Sutekh must of had a hell of a time holding on while the 11th Doctor's Tardis was repeatedly exploded during Big Bang 2 😂. Its like with the Timeless Child, trying to retcon a huge new event into the Doctors past raises more issues than it's worth.
@kingboarhog2 ай бұрын
@@fantasticmrfox81 THAT... Is a fantastic question!
@kineticnotion2 ай бұрын
I don’t understand why time changed? Sure, I can accept the explanation that Ruby’s mum was pointing at the sign…. But why did the doctors memory change? She wasn’t originally pointing, his memory changed when it snowed in Space Babies, makes no sense.
@Lillyp_preppy2 ай бұрын
That is where I am. I think there are other moments of evidence similar to this, where details are changed along the way. There still seems to be evidence of time being written over, or something, there seems to be holes that we see and the doctor doesn't.
@kineticnotion2 ай бұрын
@@Lillyp_preppy yeah, I’ve noticed some weird time things too (like the dates in episodes and the time on the clock in TLoRS), so I do have a small amount of hope that there is an explanation. Even though I really liked EoD overall, there is just something about it that kinda makes me worry that plot holes might just be left as is
@harveyburton72 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great content this series has really helped me get fully back involved and loving doctor who again. Cant wait for the next season and all you content alongside it. Cheers.
@sarahblunden43722 ай бұрын
Perhaps Steven Moffatt should write more episodes in the future beyond Christmas. I didn’t think I'd enjoy Boom as much as i did and Rogue was great too. I definitely felt an anti climax at the end and agree that the destruction and doctor screaming should have been in the legend of Ruby Sunday and Empire of death could have started off with the Kind Woman
@ChristyAbbey2 ай бұрын
I was named after a road, too. Ruby and The Doctor danced on it.
@angelm.bouchard37222 ай бұрын
I agree with Ellie’s idea about ending with the scream. Then come back with one more episode and stretch things out a bit. Give Mel more to do before she gets taken over.
@thepaellaman2 ай бұрын
Def
@harveyburton72 ай бұрын
I think they will reveal the trickster actually be Ruby's mother shooting lightning from its finger while wearing its signature black cloak after seemingly coming back from the dead.. oh, that's just reys story again. Maybe people will like it more this time
@doctor_sixty2 ай бұрын
Why don't they just orientate on the GOOD Star Wars movies?
@harveyburton72 ай бұрын
@doctor_sixty To be fair, that's what some of the bad star wars films tried, and they messed up too
@doctor_sixty2 ай бұрын
@@harveyburton7fair enough
@Happymama122 ай бұрын
I mean to be fair most sci fi steals ideas from other sci fi shows lol attack of the killer robots or AI gone bad or sentient machines is done in every show, and doctor who does it too lol
@A4Kelly2 ай бұрын
I find it interesting that the #1 spot in both of your rankings are both episodes that weren't written by RTD. With the exception of Dot and Bubble in Sean's ranking, the RTD episodes were all ranked below the non-RTD episodes.
@Mark_o_Helm2 ай бұрын
Not everybody lives. Rest in dust, Harriet Arbinger.😔
@polarizedcaptain90662 ай бұрын
I like how no one has really been talking about the potential for the doctor reviving all the worlds and stuff has potential for reviving way more then intended and the potential of past dead villains returning
@stacirobinson61622 ай бұрын
I wonder will they address the toy maker's tooth being taken..
@BruhsCookieJar2 ай бұрын
Just so you know.. sometimes adopted reunions are pretty simple like that. I have a cousin who was adopted out because my aunt was 16 when she was born. She can back into our lives 30 years later. Huge family bbq introducing her, her husband and kids to everyone. She eventually moved into the same city as our side of the family and it’s almost like she was never gone. Totally drafted in. She still loved her adopted family. But her family grew when she found her mom.
@Carpedog22062 ай бұрын
I am so tired of the haters who think you’re a shill if you like anything at all about the new season. Settle down, people, there’s enough to enjoy in 60+ years of Who for all of us.
@viviorko2 ай бұрын
The biggest problem, people literally watch shows they don’t like, just to complain about it online. It blows my mind to waste time like this.
@MBST12 ай бұрын
I’m a big fan of Doctor Who, but found this season a bit disappointing. I don’t hate it, as there’s worse eras (Chris Chibnall), but was very disappointed. RTD was one of the best DW writers, having showran both Eccleston and Tennant, and was surprised to see mainly mediocre episodes.
@williamcaldwell32122 ай бұрын
Agreed
@williamcaldwell32122 ай бұрын
True
@Drekal6842 ай бұрын
I found them annoying as well... But I've also decided to binge watch next year's season when it's all out instead of watching week to week. The reveal of Ruby's parentage kinda burned me a bit on goodwill for RTD.
@langleymneely2 ай бұрын
I probably have never disagreed more with Ellie on this entire season of Who… and I absolutely love that fact! Contrary to most folks on the internet I don’t look for critiques or personalities on the internet to parrot my opinion back to me. Some of my favorite moments of Who & Trek Culture are when I go into a video with a completely different perspective and take than I. Often if hearing a different opinion doesn’t change my own view in an intelligent way I at least appreciate seeing things in a way I never would have.
@crazyig45642 ай бұрын
I think that with the clues laid out to us the best solution and reveal would have been for Ruby to be the daughter of Susan Triad - hear me out as I explain below: -firstly with the DNA screen it would have displayed several names, years, Ruby would have been confused - ultimately leading to her “I don’t understand” line. These names would be any and all Susan Twist characters on file as they share the same DNA being clone like acolytes of Sutekh. -When showing Sutekh the screen Ruby would explain to him - the god of death brought the gift of life. -The Doctor can then explain that every time he landed on earth it brought more truth, more LIFE to Susan Triad - so much so she birthed a child - but she gave the child away as something in her (subconsciously being an acolyte of death) made her give the child up. (this would also explain why she pointed when the Doctor turned up - she was pointing at Sutekh) -Ruby standing with Sutekh could be the better explanation of how life is brought back - the power of a god flows through Ruby as she is the result of his powers - she can reverse the sands of death in some form of struggle with Sutekh - perhaps even involve the Ruby on Sutekhs headpiece - hell maybe even link that to why Susan Triad decided to drop her at a road called RUBY road? -The Doctor and Ruby leashing up Sutekh can then play out as per the episode with the added connotation that they are spreading Rubies power of life via Sutekh in the vortex. -Fun and happy reunion when Ruby and Susan Triad hug - Susan will remember having a child but the memory has only just come back to her. The story comes full circle - Ruby is still an ordinary human at the end - The snow can be explained as a side effect of being a creation from the gods - why snow? Death is cold, death is ice - Ruby made it snow because it made those magical elements of death come to LIFE. There is a nice parallel to the start of the two-parter thinking Susan Triad was the doctors grandaughter and actually she isn’t the doctors family - she’s Rubys family. I dunno - my head canon just thinks this to be a far superior resolution.
@PandezPanda2 ай бұрын
We should have a Sonic up and Cloister-bell down like Sean's special up/down from Trek :D
@WhoCulture2 ай бұрын
We will eventually! Just can't decide on the names. Not entirely convinced with "Sonic Up".
@PandezPanda2 ай бұрын
@@WhoCulture Fair! :)
@grahamcann17612 ай бұрын
Over fifty years after my birth, and adoption, I met my birth father and managed to connect with some of my siblings. (Alas my birth-mother had passed away.) With my father it was an instant connection, and one of my brothers I have regular communications. Alas some of my siblings are "unsure" about a sudden relative, and I respect that. But immediate bonding does, and did, for me, happen! As always, thank you so very much all, for the videos. Next season I'd like to see an episode with Susan (Carole Ann Ford) and Richard E. Grants Doctor. And more answers!
@DavidJacobs-rl1rj2 ай бұрын
When Sean said he felt like more time should have passed before Louise was in the apartment... directly after that was the scene of Mrs Flood on the roof wearing that coat, that made me assume that months had passed cuz why would she be wearing that if it were still the middle of summer? Just cuz there wasn't snow on the ground doesn't mean it couldn't have been cold (obviously lol). Plus that makes more sense if the fact that Ruby and Louise have already made plans to try to meet her father...
@rickkiricci7842 ай бұрын
Ncuti Gatwa's Fifteenth Doctor uses an ingenious solution to reverse the damage done, potentially restoring Gallifrey and its people in the process🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
@Flapalapagus2 ай бұрын
Funny that the doctor sent Sutekh forward to his death, but had no idea he was the cause of death
@lesigh17492 ай бұрын
No, RTD Hates the timelords so Gallifrey wont ever return if he is in charge. Chibnall felt the same way that's why it was destroyed off camera.
@kevcatnip75892 ай бұрын
@@Flapalapagus The sudden reverses in the plots are like the essays you quickly finished for dinner ,, o r lunch if you are a bit better
@lordpistonia2 ай бұрын
One question i have: the doctor needed that spoon so hard but didnt he have any kind of metal in the tardis???
@null66342 ай бұрын
Memory TARDIS metal isn't real enough?
@lordpistonia2 ай бұрын
@@null6634 all imagination🤡
@judithstrachan93992 ай бұрын
@@null6634, good suggestion. It works.
@mystic_mimi212 ай бұрын
My issue with this ep, it doesn’t feel like a season finale. 1. Because the season was very short, thus nothing had time to be hinted at, a slow burn, a tease because 3 weeks later it’s ‘resolved’. We didn’t get much time with Ruby and her family, the doctor said he changed how he spoke about family but we never saw that. We never got an ATMOS episode, we never got a Lazarus ep. We didn’t connect with the family because the Doctor didn’t. We didn’t get a reaction to Ruby loosing her friends they were shown in the Xmas special and referenced she was in a band, but that’s was it. Picture Martha not calling her brother when the master kidnapped her family like they just forgot he existed. 2. I hate that Russel tried to do this ‘smart’ ‘intelligent’ Moffat-like thing of hinting and laying things down about Ruby, which is what led us to think she was special or her mum was special, only to do the opposite for a ‘gotcha’ moment. We wouldn’t have come up with theories or speculated if he hadn’t written her that way. We as fans didn’t just pull it out of our arses. Many of us wanted a normal companion for once given how every series he had done, and Moffat as well was a ‘most special person in the universe’ companion. Bill and Yaz (the fam) are the only normal ones we have had, so we were right to assume she would be ‘not normal’ along with the things he himself wrote. Edit 28:54 hearing you say this, makes me rather sad, but I agree. I no longer want to speculate which is part of the fun. When I was younger up until 16/17 I was deep in fandom discussions on Goat, Doctor who, Star Wars, one by one I was deviated by how they have all turned out and the quality falling off. I was once again excited by Doctor who after flux, then the specials and this series. Sadly with this ending I have began to doubt and fallen back to that lack of enthusiasm. If Russel wanted his piss take gotcha moment at the fans, doing a twist, double bluff mystery fake out, all is ask is why? At what cost? Now many of us won’t want to speculate or engage with characters like Mrs Flood, look at clues or Easter eggs, because we have had it thrown in our faces.
@rocky-o2 ай бұрын
hey ellie and sean... ellie, you are the river song of whoculture... sean, your trek videos kept me going while i was bedridden these past 2 months.. thank you both... peace.. rocky
@judithstrachan93992 ай бұрын
Hope you’re 100% soon.
@rocky-o2 ай бұрын
@@judithstrachan9399thank you...
@rocky-o2 ай бұрын
@@judithstrachan9399not yet..but thank you...
@wyrdness2 ай бұрын
With Empire of Death being an underwhelming experience full of very obvious discrepancies (such as the sign pointing), and the season as a whole dealing extensively with memory/ perceptions manipulating reality or otherwise not being what they seem, I'm beginning to wonder if most of what we saw didn't really happen (at least in the way we think it happened). I wonder if RTD is treating the guaranteed 2 seasons as a part 1 and part 2 of one larger season without actually calling it that (since viewers reacted negatively when that was done a few years ago). Because it feels really odd for Ruby to say her tearful goodbyes and the Doctor to wordlessly leave, only for them to bring Millie Gibson back next season to presumably wrap up Ruby's search for her "totally normal" parents.
@ThePetergate2 ай бұрын
It's the unrealness of the ending with Ruby's birth-mum that makes me think it might all be an illusion of some kind - a fairy tale ending - and that the real (less happy) truth is yet to come.
@SaminUP2 ай бұрын
constantly waiting for my WhoCulture fix
@MizunoSenshi2 ай бұрын
So true!
@doctor_sixty2 ай бұрын
The thing about the snow buggs me the most. But the ending tells us that this had to do with Ms.Flood snd will be claryfied in the X-Mas special (white furry coat, snow...)
@lezking50602 ай бұрын
I was expecting East 17 to join her on the roof!
@garydevlin81782 ай бұрын
The tease of Sarah Jane’s Trickster had better mean he’s making the jump and he should bring Odd Bob and the Nightmare Man with him 😆
@shshyie2 ай бұрын
But we've already seen Graham and Davros since!
@AdemolaOladipo2 ай бұрын
Sutekh was wasted.
@oathy032 ай бұрын
Totally, He focused on Ruby which is fair enough but it took 2 Doctors to defeat the Toymaker it took a lead and taking him walkies to defeat the supposed most powerful being. Dressing Ruby's Mother like she was heading to the Christmas Black Mass all the other elements, I can see why so many people are flat. I still think Its going to be revealed Mrs Flood picked up Ruby and placed her by the Church it was 19 years ago but dressed like she was heading for Salem. Also the comments from Maestro about the hidden song. He built so much up around her and it just doesn't make sense how it ended.
@ofskittlez2 ай бұрын
He'll be back. My reasoning? He clung to the TARDIS? But the TARDIS was duplicated! 😮
@mizzlchieizzl2 ай бұрын
Nah, he was just a little buzzed I'd say
@jonesfamily43262 ай бұрын
He did have very red eyes!!!!
@veggiet20092 ай бұрын
Yeahhh I think he deserved at least a three episode finale. Like the Master guy at the end of series 3.
@jmelovesGod2 ай бұрын
You know what the death to death scene reminds me of...When Bad Wolf happened and Rose brought back Captain Jack...you don't think the Doctor just did that to everyone in the universe do you? I don't myself, but its a thought at least.
@JoeThornhill2 ай бұрын
Gotta say, Ellie, I really like your 50's type hair style but I love that qwiff before you tucked it behind your ear.
@DarthKitsune2 ай бұрын
What if The Doctor and the Toymaker are of the same species? It's canon now that all Time Lords come from integrating The Timeless Child's DNA into a group of Galifreyans and them breeding more Time Lords, making The Doctor the eldest and therefore first genetically. What if, like Maestro with music, The Doctor is the personification of Time or Rebirth? It would require retconning Hecuba, but maybe she'd be his true mother?
@ThatGuyCalledSteeve2 ай бұрын
Mrs Flood is definitely chaotic neutral
@djashley20022 ай бұрын
Which, if she were a Time Lord, would probably makes her either a new incarnation of the Rani or the Monk.
@Cally.Summer2 ай бұрын
I actually thought the Spoon Woman's child was going to turn out to be Timeless (and therefore the Doctor).
@russbaxter18062 ай бұрын
I think the biggest issue with the season as a whole is that it was at least 4 episodes too short. If they had 12 episodes to play with, we could have had 3 more adventures to show the Doctor and Ruby bonding, and then have a 3 parter finale, with cliff hangers at the Sutekh reveal and then the death of all UNIT personnel. But as for the spoons, the Doctor hasn't had enough spoons since the 7th Doctor
@jakepearce77762 ай бұрын
3:27 - turns out it made the edit after all 😅
@dersuchmann2 ай бұрын
Came here to write this :D
@WhoCulture2 ай бұрын
Editor Danny giveth, editor Danny taketh away. But mostly giveth.
@Ohverture2 ай бұрын
Is it just me or was Sutek's rebuilding of himself dependant on the Tardis itself? I'm not sure it was well communicated, but he drew strength from it and was completely tied to it, I felt like he couldn't just abandon the Tardis, and even if he could, he didn't want to. It was his prize, he was attached to it psychologically if not metaphysically.
@SumofluffyVIDS2 ай бұрын
Didn't Mrs Flood say something on the lines of she's going to invade Heaven? I think she's definitely going to be evil. And oddly enough with the theories going around, is something the Beast pretty much said lol.
@davidestabilini44682 ай бұрын
At least, she thinks of herself as going to heaven after death, not hell. I’m pretty sure she is bad news, but are this little things that keep me on doubt.
@SumofluffyVIDS2 ай бұрын
@@davidestabilini4468 I dunno. If she saw herself going to Heaven after death, why did she ask Cherry to tell God? Surely she'd tell God herself. Next season is gonna be interesting.
@davidestabilini44682 ай бұрын
@@SumofluffyVIDS didn’t think of it this way, you’re right!
@StephenLeGresley2 ай бұрын
For me, one of the biggest issues was the short season. I think 8 episodes for such a massive villain was too short. If I were doing the finale, I would've made it a three part episode. Keep the first episode the way it was and make the second a kind of Mad Max style journey through the dying Universe with The Doctor and Ruby and Mel visiting all these different planets as they get dusted and really build up that hopelessness until the end with The Doctor deciding he's going to stop running and face Sutekh. And then have the 3rd part be him coming up with the plan to stop Sutekh and then dealing with Ruby's mother. I just think with such a small season we didn't get enough of a chance to build that bond with Ruby and The Doctor which gave me Dan Lewis flashbacks to The Flux and Power of The Doctor where we didn't get enough time with him either. Overall Series 14 was better then the Chibnal era but not as good as the OG Russel era or the Moffat era.
@ugolomb2 ай бұрын
I don't like the idea of Kate and Colonel Ibrahim because Kate is his commanding officer. An affair between a boss/commander and a subordinate is never a good idea
@doctor_sixty2 ай бұрын
Ever watched Grey's Anatomy? 😅
@alexandercharizard36172 ай бұрын
I agree, but that's also basically every "romance" between the doctor and any companion (maybe except river)
@HereticReborn2 ай бұрын
I agree. I think Kate is too professional to do that
@langleymneely2 ай бұрын
I love it BECAUSE it’s inappropriate! If they go there it brings so much delicious drama to the show. Also Im all for Kate getting hers! I believe in KIBRAHIM! Or is it Col KEXY? lol 😜
@Flapalapagus2 ай бұрын
The reason it works is because they all literally died. Think about it, if you died and came back to life, you would likely want to deal with any regrets you had before you kick the bucket again. Workplace Formality be damned
@AngelaOrr-p9u2 ай бұрын
I would love interactive Doctor Who. PLEASE make that a real thing
@Stutekhvkingbearpresident2 ай бұрын
Nice beard glad you grew it back Sean
@panduh_go_crazy-.-99572 ай бұрын
It’s not the age disparity between Kate Stewart and Mr Sexy it’s the fact that she’s his boss and that power difference is too great to maintain a fair and healthy relationship
@user-ts7xp9gg2u2 ай бұрын
Mrs Floods coat reminds me Of Rivers in the husbands of River Song. Hopefully Alex is back. Fingers Cross Ellie
@DrakesHobbiesAndGames2 ай бұрын
100% agree on the editing suggestion! All in all I’m very happy though. I do hope we get a longer and more Dr. focused season 2.
@seanegan96712 ай бұрын
There is too much of the Doctor defeating these villains so easily is the last two minutes. It took a whole other episode to defeat the Silence. Martha needed a whole year to defeat the Master. They put a leash on this guy and that was it, too easy of a defeat
@Mark-nh2hs2 ай бұрын
The Doctor has hardly defended any enemies this season barring the goblins, the snot monster and Sutekh. The rest were defeated by AI dead dad, The Beatles, Ruby, then Rogue
@veggiet20092 ай бұрын
I liked the references to 73 yards, while a lot of questions are left unanswered, it was nice to get some subtle connection and a little explaination about that episode
@andygozzo722 ай бұрын
i'd have preferred sutekh to be more like as in pyramids of mars, this new 'dog' one is too much like another egyptian god, Anuibis
@partariothe5th2 ай бұрын
The Theory of Mrs Flood being the Rani holds well because not only the "Hiding myself away" line, indicating shes a Time Lord after the doctor says it in releation to regeneration, but dressing as companions, as the Rani once did, dressing as and pretending to be Mel after the 6th Doctor regenerates into the 7th.
@RichardBarclay2 ай бұрын
Also rain is an anagram of Rani, and rain causes floods, and we know how much RTD loves anagrams, and hiding an anagram behind a layer of abstraction is on brand for RTD2
@zoezerbrasilio24192 ай бұрын
She called the doctor "That clever boy" and we know who called him like that before....
@mattcw78842 ай бұрын
We needed a middle episode with the doctor dealing with the devastation. Didn't help that it felt that it was over all to quickly
@FabianWright2 ай бұрын
I have the feeling that this wasn't the full ending since RTD said himself that Ruby's story isn't complete yet. Especially since there are still some loose ends
@gtc99662 ай бұрын
I have the feeling they’ll be a disappointing throw away line in some future random episode that ‘wraps up’ the loose ends.
@t.d.i89542 ай бұрын
@@gtc9966this a absolutely feels like the theme this season. I’m not saying that you’re having a go at RTD but personally, this theme says less about RTD’s writing, and more about the run time.
@Liononmytoes2 ай бұрын
For weird weather. It can be raining out the back and sunny out the front of the house for me. And it's happened more than once. I must be on some sort of line.
@A.Musing.Streamer2 ай бұрын
@23:25 - YES, THAT would have been far better. Not even close now that you have planted that idea in my head.
@judithstrachan93992 ай бұрын
RTD take note! You need Ellie on staff.
@Lightspren2 ай бұрын
I realized Rose might have been sending a message to her family and I can’t stop thinking about it.
@theekomeeps44882 ай бұрын
I think if theres a god of games and music there has to be some kind of god of stories, and shes basically narrating a story, i have a theory that shes the god of stories of something
@danyaelle17532 ай бұрын
(Another separate take) I think, while the disintegrate even would have been better as a cliffhanger, what we got still had me at the edge of my seat. Due to all the back and forth between will everyone live or not since classic who and 2005, I really can't guess much anymore. I, personally also dont theorize mid episode. I just let the story drive until I hit the end title sequence.
@wittolwanderer63582 ай бұрын
How about ups and downs for the entire season on season plot? Ya'll may have done it already, but if not :)
@glynth2 ай бұрын
Is Sutekh a copy of the original Sutekh which I assume would have been attached to David Tennant's Tardis? Did he replicate when the Tardis replicated?
@Spider-mario9742 ай бұрын
i love your content love you shaun and ellie have a great day and keep up on the amazing work
@billmanzke7582 ай бұрын
You missed the point with the "Holodeck" scenes. Time was continually changing while they were in there. The appearance of the Ruby Road sign and the light pole were changes in the timeline. What other changes can you spot? I saw others.
@DJWhovian2 ай бұрын
The problem is the show can't really respond to any reaction to Series 14 with Series 15 already completed. So either the issues will continue or they will be addressed anyway. I kind of hope that by this time next year people will be making retrospective views and going oh that's why all that happened.
@benji17102 ай бұрын
If the trickster was brought back, I want it to be that someone from the doctors past agreed on a deal that made the doctor disappear and we get a doctor lite episode but have the SJA companions help the doctors companion(s) or something along the lines of that.
@lezking50602 ай бұрын
Thanks for a thoughtful, balanced discussion. It's all that we ask for, and to be honest, it's what we deserve. I've never found a problem with Ellie's "Ups and downs" - she tends to give "Ups" and "Downs" that are deserved, and they tend to have the same level of weight to them, when you follow the discussion that goes with them. The problem comes when every slightly positive item gets an "Up" spammed at the counter, but only major "Downs" get added to the counter. Maybe, if you recognise that the weighting of the "Ups" given is unbalanced, as you seem to suggest that you recognise, then the answer is to group a handful of the extremely minor items together, in the discussion, and then add only one point to the counter, for that group (or you just mention the positive items, but don't increase the counter, like happens with the minor negative items). And NEVER do what has been done, and I'm almost quoting here... "Jonathan Frakes - Up Up Up Up Up... just because I can". Yes, the "Ups and Downs" videos are only a "bit of fun"... but if you aren't going to take the count even slightly seriously, it makes the whole thing pointless, and not fun at all!! If the Ups and Downs aren't going to be balanced and deserved, then don't bother with them at all, because it means nothing, and is just a waste of your time (and your audience's time). The biggest problem throughout this series of Doctor Who has been the pacing, and not having enough episodes to do justice to the stories. More episodes, and splitting some of the stories into two-parters, would have allowed the writers to put more into the development of the plotlines (and include some character development elements), and would have allowed the audience more time to "bond" with the Doctor and Ruby... and appreciate how their relationship had had more time for them to bond, too! The Finale could have easily been a 3-parter, instead of a strong-ish first part, and a weak, plot-hole ridden, damp squib of a second part. It's like a firework.... light the blue paper and stand back, waiting for the excitement, but it just fizzles out, making a wet fart noise, instead of being a big bang. The result... don't go back to that firework, and don't buy that type again, in the future (in other words... Bye bye Doctor Who, because people will stop believing the mystery set-ups, and will stop watching). It is an irony that a modern version of a TV programme that heavily features "Time", gets the timing so wrong. Wouldn't the Doctor have had something... anything... metal within the Memory Tardis? No? Really, RTD... nothing? We certainly hope we see a lot more of Bonnie Langford in the UNIT spin-off (if we ever get that). Did anyone else expect to see East 17 join Mrs Flood on the roof, and break into a musical number... "Stay another day", perhaps? When you watch the "Tales of the Tardis" version of the "Pyramids of Mars", you see how Doctor Who can be done well.... time for pacing... time for character development and relationship growth... time to breathe, at the times when it is needed, with good action pieces, and suspense, that didn't rely on fabulous CGI, huge budgets, and fake mysteries (or a reset button). Doesn't Sean still look tired?
@SeanLamb-I-Am2 ай бұрын
There was no mention of mavity that I saw in the finale. Also, Ruby's father's surname is Garnet, another gemstone that is red in color. Finally, as to Mrs. Flood, I like the theory that we're watching a show within a show and Mrs. Flood is the narrator. But a flood is another body of water, so I wonder if there's a River Song or Melody Pond connection....
@DarthRaptor222 ай бұрын
For me, it was ok, but it would have been better if it was written that Sutekh had latched onto the Tardis when 14 sprinkled his salt. The way its currently written, theres too many plotholes to ignore
@tonybossaller40742 ай бұрын
So for me, I think the “spoon” scene was less about the metal and more about MEMORY. Notice how after the Doctor mentions metal, she “remembers” her child. And when he “fed” the spoon to the screen, which is powered by memories in a Memory Tardis, it gets some power. I think the “metal” was just a way to trigger sentimentality and thus a memory.
@KelebrimbearX2 ай бұрын
I found this finale very unsatisfying with very disappointing pay-offs. It also didn't tie in well with the rest of the season. The whole reunion of Ruby with her birth family was a very Brady Bunch ending. Also, I'm unconvinced that Ruby's mother would have such long manicured nails as a working nurse...
@lycos942 ай бұрын
Rose, Jackie and metacrysis 10 are still dusted, Sutekh put a Susan on that world when the TARDIS landed there, but since they couldn't go back to that dimension, that world couldn't have been un-dusted when they took Sutekh on a walk though the time vortex
@harveyburton72 ай бұрын
Do we think Mrs flood is next gonna dress up as a police officer and be a kissogram like amy pond giving a message to the doctor?
@Its_kipness2 ай бұрын
I considered her in these episodes more of a character like Ibrahim Namin
@francisco_m78492 ай бұрын
🌪️ hello Sean hello Ellie. I’m from the United States. I am an old Doctor Who fan from the Tom Baker era. And I had to say that you guys are completely fair to the reviews you do I mean you guys are not completely saying it’s all ops no downs, but you are right you’re down are heavy, heavy down. Anyway, you guys do present your views very clear and concise, and when you fight things that should have been better clear it so I totally love what you guys are doing. Keep up the good work and will see you for Christmas and the new season.
@judithstrachan93992 ай бұрын
I second that.
@Sileste172 ай бұрын
Hi! Just an idea. I'm watching dr who classic. What would you say to make some videos about older episodes? :)
@Mark-nh2hs2 ай бұрын
Don't bank on it seeing a lot of NuWho fans have no interest in Classic Who as their TikTok brains struggle to watch 4 episodes... They would have a melt down or play with their phones if its a 6 parter 😂