Kel-Tec PMR-30 AMMO TESTING

[@michaelledford4751]

A word of caution to new PMR-30 owners having reliability issues , when you 1st get your weapon it will have far fewer loading issues if you clean & oil the weapon, the weapon also has a break in period which you can help along by working the slide a few hundred times before firing, the magazines loading method is important, its so important that Kel Tech put out an instructional video showing how to properly load the magazines , the mags springs are extremely tight & will feed much better if you take a paint stir stick & work the magazines springs a few hundred times, doing all of the above religously you shouldnt have any serious issues,BTW the reason its hard for him to load past 20 rounds is due to him pushing the rounds in improperly, watch the Kel Tech loading video & the 30th round will be as easy to pop in the mag as the 1st round .

[@albertschweitzerthe3rd908]

Well you have to read again their instruction manual there cheese ball. The other guy says you have to sit there and play with the damn gun take a paint stick and work the spring a few thousand times and do this a few hundred times. I've never had another weapon that I've had just had to sit there and babysit a nurse made with all the feed and ejection problems and ammo that won't take which is not what I call low velocity of 1500 ft per second like a Winchester. A weapon that can only carry certain ammo and has to be baby like this it's kind of like the krx shotgun. I get one and it performs like s*** and somebody tells me from the US affiliate of this Turkish company that it's in the owners man I don't know it's not well it's on the box not to be found but they said that you have to run 100 rounds of turkey loads 3 in Magnum shells through the damn thing to break in the spring that's funny. I have a guy that's at a gun store over there and he uses them as a selling point he lets people just take him as long as you buy the ammo go test out the weapon two types of Turkish 12 gauge semi autos. and he says oh 800 rounds 1200 rounds yeah I'm still you know 900 a thousand rounds with no cleaning in between at all. Me mine fresh out of the box doesn't even get Jack or squat you try and run regular double up Buck it jams like a bastard. You try and run regular birdshot Winchester like the guys in the videos jams like a banshee the only thing it didn't jam on was high and loads that were 12 gauge they were two or three quarter inch shells but they were high high tilt boogie shells. And they would cough as well. The only thing that worked flawlessly of course was the hyper expensive 3-in or 3 1/2 in whatever it is Magnum turkey loads.

[@albertschweitzerthe3rd908]

And for any of any weapon or any piece of machinery to work be considered reliable is that it needs to function every time you pull the trigger or damn near let's just say 90 to 95 points who wants to who wants a weapon that you have to you sure can't use for safety or defense because you don't know whether somebody's going to function. I've had Taurus everybody likes to blind Taurus they obviously have a problem because I have many of them and they perform flawlessly. There's no getting only this type of ammo or only that type of ammo like Celtic does with the PMR 30. They say three different manufacturers including Winchester oh it doesn't work well it does get the CCI well as we all know right now there ain't Jack or s*** for ammo not by accident either so what do you do oh well sorry I've got this gun I can't use anything but CCI or this brand or that brand. Of course first I got to take my butter knife and my paint stick to it and work 100 times the freaking magazines times extra magazines that you have if you bought properly and working the slide 100 times or more he says?? Yep that's reliability

[@markhicks5962]

@albertschweitzerthe3rd908 Most of thoseTurkish shotguns are just crap. They look like a Mossberg 500 but they are 95% junk

[@ronarmstrong8935]

I would also to only run 40gr or heavier for the first 300-400 rounds.

[@jayeliable]

it’s like he was trying to load the pistol as if it were a rifle, like a aR or aK.

[@mitchparish3644]

I've had one for several years. Had they named it the PMR 25 it would have made life a lot easier. After all.. load one box of 50 into two mags. Easy to load and never fails. Just my opinion.

[@ahoo5753]

Zits za gun,seem to be to much spring pressure in the mag.

[@Yhrim70]

can always just load 25... does make it easier to load

[@JordanWinn]

Then it might have been mistaken for a .25 caliber.

[@George19532009]

I was thinking that a new magazine has a really tight spring and will soften a bit over time. My 30 round clip for my 10/22 Ruger would do the same thing when it was new. I just loaded 25 rounds, five rows and it's never failed me. If you have to fight the round to get it in, it's one too many. I'd rather have 27 dependable rounds in an emergency than thirty while worried about hearing this loud yet empty "Click"!

[@Bowstringdotcom]

Agreed, I have a PMR30 and never load more than 25 in it, the last 5 are way too difficult to get into it. You start smashing the cases when you force the last 5 rounds in.

[@tommylane8878]

If you use heavier bullets it works well. CCI Maxi Mag (40 grain), Hornady critical defense (45 grain).

[@johnlong384]

10 -4!

[@whyoung666]

I bought my pmr30, the all in one upgrade kit at the same time. I upgraded the pmr before shooting it for the first time. The stainless steel ramp works great. CCI ammunition is recommended by Kel-Tec. I have never had a failure to feed or eject. It runs like it should. I love the gun .

[@tbublz]

You should've bought the S&W

[@texastargetman8165]

As with any rimfire, always make sure the rimmed “lip” of each subsequent round lies IN FRONT OF the previous round. If it gets behind it, it won’t feed properly. Also, MagLula makes a mag loader which helps making loading mags SO much easier.

[@deborahchesser7375]

Would silicone or something help it run better ?

[@1991USsoldier]

@@deborahchesser7375 not really. It's an issue called rim lock. The mosin nagant suffers this issue if loaded incorrectly too. It's an issue of rimmed ammo in a magazine.

[@MayorFuglycools]

@@1991USsoldier No it does not, the mosin has a cartridge interrupter Mayor Fuglycool

[@DavidJongibo]

Called rim lock

[@stevepatrick598]

Try upgrade kit from M Carbo...stainless feed ramp, tighter mag lock, aluminum trigger and speed loader it's all well worth every penny

[@davehartsock5382]

Exactly!! That's the biggest issue with this gun is the feed ramp. During manufacturing since the the feed ramp is made of polymer theres a tiny piece of polymer left over from the form. Maybe if you don't want to get the upgrade you can file the nub down to smooth it out.

[@tdh72]

@@davehartsock5382 I just noticed that nub on the polymer feed ramp... Thanks for the Feeback

[@jmansheppard7332]

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[@Frambhueee]

@@davehartsock5382 maybe you can also use a round file and file the ramp

[@orygunguy5020]

That upgrade is worth every penny.

[@justaguy6623]

Had mine for years, love it.. no other .22mag makes a fireball like this one!!!

[@magnacartasamadams8189]

You wanna see an awesome fireball shoot a 5.7

[@boosted2809]

AGREED! Check out the video I just posted of throwing some flames with my PMR30

[@psycho.dad5252]

try shooting standard wmr rifle close to dark. IT,S AN AWESOME FIREBALL.

[@boosted2809]

@@psycho.dad5252 I have and you are 💯 correct on that!!

[@dano9215]

I agree, I shot mine at night to run off some coyotes. Hell of a fireball!

[@michaelhennessey8927]

Great video! As others have said - minimum 40 grains and the hotter the load the better. The maglula speed loader looks sweet ( just ordered 1)

[@Jexorz86]

Hell the Manufacturer said HOT round only, it's so light it needs the oomph to cycle reliably. (though there were a few that shipped out with bad springs in the slide, which as far as i've heard it did the trick.

[@michaelhennessey8927]

@@Jexorz86 yes exactly, with the 40 grain CCI Maxi mag mine runs like a Rolex. Lighter loads do not work well, and I think many that have problems are "limp wristed" , you need firm wrists for it to cycle properly.

[@aaberetta33]

need to clean first ! leave mags loaded for over a week will break in . and shoot at least 500 rds to break in . mine loves the Hornady ones no issuse

[@DanielGonzalez-cn9ru]

Appreciate it just got one myself

[@cpnolto]

Yup, I was thinking the same thing. That fact that the round-nose range ammo works fine - tells you that real problem is the hollow point ammo and the ramp needs to get a polish too IMHO. I like the gun and am thinking about one......so many guns - so little time/money. I have a sub 2k and love love love the thing.

[@PaintballFreak6850]

100% correct. I own both a CMR30 and a PMR30. Both guns where dirty upon arrival. Clean a KelTec before you go shooting, I have had zero malfunctions. At first, you will only load your mags to 20 rounds, you'll dent the casings if you go further than that before you break the mags in. After you shoot them for a while, you will see you get a few more rounds in there until your able to get 30 rounds in there without too much struggle. Happy shooting, clean your KelTecs!

[@dennislucas8745]

@Mike Santino mine only shot 30 gr Vmax . I bought the ammo before I read the manual about 40 gr . It was not great for the first few magazines then it started to shoot great .

[@thesarge4457]

Thanks for the tip, just got mine yesterday.

[@johnnybeanz1296]

I love my pmr 30. Like many others I had to return it for warranty work. They replaced the barrel, slide and mag and had it back in about 2 weeks. The issue was frequent failure to fire. Now it works perfect, except you need to check carefully when you rack the slide to make sure the first round went into battery. Amazon has a guy now selling a speed loader that is expensive but works great. $34. The cheaper one was ok, but the better one works really well. It’s a great pistol. Edit: I should have noted that keltec only honors warranty to original purchaser. Keep in mind if you’re buying used and expecting free warranty work.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

This one is running great now

[@kenrussell1093]

I decided pretty fast, that I would go with twenty five rounds, and I'm happy with the performance. I haven't had a misfeed or failure to eject, loading at twenty five rounds, and I have only shot CCI 40gr maxi mag through it. I don't know why so many people have reliability issues with this pistol, but it makes it hard to convince anybody of my results.

[@SgtRudySmith31bRet]

Check out MCARBO they have lots of upgrades

[@robertsullivan3729]

I have had the same good performance. Load the mag properly. Stay at 25 rounds. Run a couple hundred rounds. Very few issues. I have had good luck with Hornandy 45 grain critical defense. Love mine.

[@TheDevicemanager]

I did some searching. it seems that the feedramp is made of plastic and is not reliable after so many rounds. I have seen a video lately of the parts inside that go bad. 1. The feedramp - poorly designed, cheap plastic 2. slider buffer - looks like its cheaply made plastic. 3 Guide rod spring is not the best - not springy enough. I have looked at the original feedramp and two aftermaket ones made of stainless steel. All different designs. it seems the classic 2 notch configuration works best. Its the two notch configuration and arches that tapers allows the design of the bullet to load in. Different grains have slightly different designs and that could possbily be an issue. These aftermarket parts are sold seperately through a 3rd party manufacturer. Keltec uses a single notch style feedramp made of plastic that looks like the ramp is between 45 - 60 degrees with NO CURVES - only straight lines in angles. That could be the biggest issue with a shorter cartridge. This 3rd party MCarbo works with keltec to install these mods. MCarbo makes parts to reduce and midigate the malfucntions that the gun can produce. It looks like the pmr 30 is not the most reliable at has some serious issues after a while. to me it looks like the design of the feedramp is prone to failure and not the greatest design. The shape of the bullets would be my best guess as to why it is feeding like that and the fact that you have to load the bullets carefully

[@joe94815]

I bought mine around 2019. All kinds of issues . Due to medical issues. Wasn't able to shoot it very often. When I was finally able to, and trying different things , such as loading Mags, different ammo , super cleaning , still no good ,called Kel-Tec, they said /o send it back to them. When I got it back. It was basically a brand new gun . Shoots allot better . Still have failures but not as bad. The only ammo that has very few issues,(almost none) is CCI ammo. So I run CCI all the time. Fun gun!

[@joe94815]

Forgot to mention, the repair was all covered under the lifetime warranty

[@BrandonReed-cs3lf]

Great video! I've had mine for a little over 2 yrs and about 500 rounds. The best thing when fresh out of the box, give it a good oil job and wipe down. They are in need of good lube. I use Amsoil gun oil lube and spray. Second....run the first 3 mags between 20 to 25 rounds. The springs are a little stiff. I also let the mags sit fully loaded for about 2 weeks to weaken the springs a little. She runs smooth with any thing I feed her now.

[@cliffweatherbee6914]

Mine loves a minimum of 35gr. And when I first got it, I shook all of my ammo in graphite powder. It really helped it to cycle the action and allow the magazine to work properly. I did that for the first 300 rounds.

[@robbobthecorncobjriii8195]

Thats an amazing tip. I'm thinking about picking one of these up soon, ill have to give that a shot

[@celmer6]

It's a new pistol and it's going to settle right in after a couple of hundred rounds. Kel-Tec just needs to wear in a bit.

[@seanfoltz7645]

I own one and it is my carry piece. It is an SOB to load by hand - you need a loading device to get past twenty without an issue. Despite how light the gun is it LOVES heavier rounds so don't be afraid to go with them.

[@michaelhennessey8927]

Sean Foltz, i just ordered the maglula speed loader. Looks like it make loading a breeze.

[@seanfoltz7645]

@@michaelhennessey8927 I've got a more generic one that just pushes down the spring for me - it does the job

[@michaelhennessey8927]

@@seanfoltz7645 good deal, which one did you get? Pretty much anything beats hand loading those mags.

[@seanfoltz7645]

@@michaelhennessey8927 Just a generic $10 job someone was selling at a gun show.

[@michaelhennessey8927]

@@seanfoltz7645 good deal. As said pretty much anything beats hand loading these mags.

[@mariuswknudsenjr]

I love my pmr 30 once you figure out the correct ammo it's a great gun.

[@gradyyahudahmonroe9716]

The manual calls for 40 grain min.

[@clayrush71]

I remember when this gun first came out around 1997 it was the Grendel P30 I went right out & bought one. All it did was jam constantly. 23 yrs later under a different company & nothing has changed

[@kenthurman2344]

One of my regular gun stores had had one of those for sale for about 6 mos. Lol. Recognized it right off the bat. 499 used price.

[@Steve-hc7ix]

I load mine with a Magazine loader (specifically for the PMR 30) and I have NEVER had one failure. All I have ever used is CCI max. I have seen so many negative reviews. I believe it has to be in the loading of the magazine. Also, the loader makes it so simple to put in the 30 rounds.

[@adaboy4z]

I have the one with the updates. It shoots smooth, nice trigger, and no malfunctions. First 300 rounds out the box flawless. Its accurate at 25 yards on Steel plates...

[@kabobl-brewster1612]

This thing does have a little bit of a longer barrel, but accurate at 25 yards is still really good for this firearm. I rarely even try shooting that far with my 26 or 18. I could probably reach those ranges, but I normally only practice at 15yds or less, for self defense purposes. My local range finally upgraded and installed 5 500yd alleys, so its been fun trying to reach that with my .308 and .300 win mag. Still haven't had enough time, I'm happy when I hit paper.

[@adaboy4z]

@@kabobl-brewster1612 I bought the extended barrel with the muzzle break and it's to much fun to shoot, 30 rounds go so fast and you run out of exploding cans and water bottles real quick.

[@dueyshaw3023]

I just watched this clip with the KelTec 22 mag pistol. I have a couple of firearms that shoot the 22 mag ammo and have not had much trouble with the failure to load. What I do to almost everyone of my semi autos is massage the ramp to smooth and polish that area so the rounds slide into the chamber easier. I have had a lot of luck after the alterations... enjoyed the clip and seeing the KelTec 22 mag in action..

[@empireoflizards]

After hearing so many debates on Kel-Tecs, I gotta say this was a straightforward, coherent, and fun video demonstration of the PMR30. Very cool gun indeed; just have to know its out-of-the-box limitations and go from there.

[@22tcm34]

Do not use 30g in the pmr THE BEST IS 40g and UP

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Yup

[@WHOTEEWHO]

So much negative comments on the light ammo I'm picking up some more heavy ammo for a part two

[@nickmotsarsky4382]

Does the manual tell you not to use 30gr ?

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Manual suggests 40gr and up

[@johnnybeanz1296]

40 is best but 30 will work. I’d make sure you’re gun was fully broken in before going down to 30

[@samuraiguy343]

I've learned it really just loves heavier, non hollow point rounds, it's easier for it to feed when it doesn't have as much of a flat surface on the feed ramp, I also run a little red dot sight and with 40 grain cci maxi-mag total metal jackets, it's a dream to shoot, even made a smiley face the first time I shot it with the iron sights :)

[@jacknimble1508]

I am laying on the couch with my face covered just listening....why does it sound like a how to by Hank Hill? Love this guys voice.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Dangit bobby

[@unbalancedredneck5778]

The issue with Kel-Tec is they have great ideas and design but there build and QC suck. Why bother to design such great looking guns and completely cheap out on build and materials. I wanted to like that gun so much I sold my first one and got a second one hoping it would be better. The two I had did best with 40 gr rn. Thanks for not editing out the bad and doing an honest review.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I love the PMR30. Shoots great when you put the correct ammo in it. Shot at all day today no problems

[@gitgeezer]

After the first day at the range, I loaded my mags and left them loaded for a week...no more loading issues! The wife had a couple of feed issues but she was limp wristing...once I showed her how to better hold it...no more feed issues. Mine does NOT like 30 grain ammo... failure to eject issues. Still, I only have about 200 rds. through it

[@michaelledford4751]

Notice how when he shows both fully loaded magazines one mag had the 30th round to the left while the 2nd mags 30th round was to the right ? That shows improper mag loading, when you load the mag properly your final 30th rounds bullet should be on the Right side if your looking at the bullet from the front of the magazine, or on the left if your facing the rear of the magazine , it makes a huge difference, keeping your rounds to the proper side of the magazine totally eleminates the round having problems feeding & chambering the next round.

[@krautgti]

that's stated in the owners manual

[@michaelledford4751]

@@krautgti Yup it sure is but how many storys have you heard about PMR-30s not cycling properly ? Obviously people think their experience loading other weapons makes them expert at loading the PMR-30 mag , and the video i spoke of is not in the manual ,the description in the manual cannot explain what the video shows. Im always amazed by how many of you kids post without contributing one iota to the thread topic ,but post negativity or make captian obvious posts ,do you have any 1st hand experience in getting your PMR-30 to cycle properly 100% of the time ? If so then post it instead of nonsense that helps nobody except your ego please .

[@michaelledford4751]

@Paulie’s Walnutz Shit,im way past 1,000 rounds through my Gen 2 and i cant see any worn parts when i break it down for cleaning ,ill have to check with Kel Tech about that,the 1 thing ive found is the butt mounted mag release caused me to lose a magazine from the weapon ,i believe i lost the mag while going through some semi thick bush to short cut to the next trail ,aside from losing a magazine ive had nothing but a ton of fun from my gen 2 .

[@dbx1233]

@@michaelledford4751 I hope a grizzly bear doesn't find it.

[@name_less7687]

@@michaelledford4751 yeah.. These problems shouldn't be a thing with any fire arm .. If the magazine is this much of a problem for the gun then they have a bad design. To me it seems like the issue isn't the magazine though.. I would grind down and buff up the slide ramp. I would probably replace the guide rod spring with a slightly lighter one. Hopefully doing both of those things would fix both the failure to chamber and the failure to extract the rounds. It could very well be the extractor too. So possibly may need to file the crimp on the extractor down. The tiniest bit... But either way this gun seems like a complete p.o.s. I wouldn't own it. Just from hearing what I hear of it, seeing this, and looking at it. It's junk. Idk why anybody would talk it up...

[@AZMarine513]

I bought a PMR-30 this weekend. I absolutely love it. The trigger is awesome. Shoots great, doesn't miss a beat.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Awesome! I love it too!

[@roncunningham389]

The WRF was made years ago for the Winchester wrf rifle . I own one THE ammo is specific for that rifle. It is the in between 22 mag and 22 lr AKA sometimes 22 special. Winchester reintroduced several years ago. My PMR30 likes CCI ammo Thanks for your videos you are like the rest of us out here---- real guy!!!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching Ron!

[@glenn6229]

I bought one of these 2 years ago and i had to run a couple hundred rounds through it to break it in and have no failure to feeds. Mine likes the Hornady 30 gr. w/polymer tips. Keep it clean and lightly grease the slide rails.

[@1776REIGNS]

Try out the Makershot PMR-30 mag loader (~$12). It pushes each round down and to the side that it's supposed to go to as well as taking decades off loading up. Like you it took me forever to load by hand but the Makershot does it correctly which results in a fantastic and fun experience. I have 2 newer PMR-30's and use Armscor 40grn. JHP which is the cheapest ammo I can find for .22mag and they both run extremely well... the PMR-30 likes a heavier bullet for sure (I believe the manual states to use 40gr. and above but then again it mentions nothing about Armscor). I can't remember the last time I had an issue of any kind with either. Well... just one, it's very hard to not go through a 30rd. mag in seconds because it has almost zero muzzle rise and is pinpoint accurate out to 50yds. easy. I consistently hit a 16" steel target, off hand at 100yds. too.

[@mrf5347]

Thank you. Rember..... 1. Disassemble n clean. 2. Break in mags. 3. Buy one

[@kenthurman2344]

Uh... number three should be number one. Silly rabbit. Trix are for hookers.

[@GoldenClays1]

First ammo you used is problematic. Have to use what they recommend in the manual, and load the magazines exactly like they say. All will be well.

[@charlesroberson3761]

If any one here is a ballistics snob start watching the different gels test being done . The 22 wmr is a very powerful round. 40 grain 1950 fps round will give 2A body armor a helluva scare . Makes for a very good carry round in the PMR30 , hollow point of course.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Agreed

[@moisesaspres3686]

Ronald Wells's comment sums it up. Sure other suggestions made make sense too but the manual specifically warns about performance issues with rounds under 40grns .i been shooting mostly maxi mag JHP in mine with no hiccups yet 1000+ rounds so it's not that your FMJs work better hollow points feed fine if they are 40grain. Your 45grain loads were just a weird length.

[@charlesmarshall2697]

I'm a 72 year old businessman and have been a permitted legal CCL license holder for 50 years and have carried about every type, brand and high dollar pistol you can imagine during that time. The best advice I can give to anybody who does the same is to carry what best satisfies these requirements....low recoil, cheap to train with, plentiful ammo at low prices, light weight, fast and accurate to shoot. That just eliminated every centerfire pistol on the market! What do I carry? I carry a pair of Ruger LCP2 22 rimfires. One in a Bugbite holster on my left leg and the other in my right back pocket. I also carry one of these PMR30s under my left arm under a vest. All are fitted with green daylight lasers! The PMR30 must be modified with the M Carbo parts kit and you need to buy a $35 American speed loader for it. I shoot only quality 40 grain ammo in all of these. The PMR does not function reliably with any 30 grain ammo! The best load for it is Aguia 40 grain solid. It is loaded in a nickel plated case that resists denting when you fast load 30 round mags. I own lots of pistols and shotguns, but over the years I almost always shoot rimfires including killing well over 100 deer and numerous over 10 foot alligators with rimfire rifles. I am perfectly comfortable with nothing but rimfires. I shoot everything in the head! My favorite rifle is a Marlin Model 57M short throw lever action Carbine(16 inch barrel) in 22 Magnum. They are extremely rare, expensive and accurate when fitted with a quality 4X12 scope and will shoot dead up with a new CZ 512 22 Magnum Auto. That little Savage bolt rifle you have is the best one for the buck out there!

[@kenhelmers2603]

The 22 WRF is the Winchester rimfire, and is a shorter, less ... powerful version of the 22 magnum. As I recall, Kel-Tec recommended 40grn hot loads, at least for the first hundred or more.. Cool pistol though.

[@johnjanoscrat8000]

Ken, you are correct, that is the wrong cartridge for this gun. 22 WMR and 22 WRF are two totally different rounds for different guns.

[@babarmaqsood6582]

Pl comment comparison of 9mm with 22 or 22lr pistol good for home defence and outing place

[@relo.p9770]

I was about to say the same thing wrong cartridge for that gun I couldn’t believe it when he showed the ammo on the screen what it was I nearly face palmed myself

[@bikermikearchery]

I was wondering if anyone else caught this

[@Powerstroke7911]

Out of the box, mine had MANY FTFs. I stripped it, cleaned it, and reassembled it (well lubricated). It ran well , but it definitely likes hotter rounds better for reliable cycling. It seems to be running fine now..

[@charlesroberson3761]

I own both the PMR 30 AND CMR 30 ... when reading the enclosed booklet it tells you to use 35 grain or higher . After 800 rounds thru the PMR and using only 40 , 45 and 52 grain it is completely reliable. I use CCI and Federal without incident . 5his has now become my Conceal Carry. Just don't rim lock the mags.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@BUZZKILLJRJR]

22mag has always been way way underated it's very cool.

[@SuperUncleRyan]

I see the problem...right there where it says "Kel-Tec." I used to carry a Kel-Tec everyday, but I had nightmares about needing it and it failing. I just never trusted it so I don't carry it any more.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

This one I really like. I dont have any previous experience with keltec but this one runs the heavier rounds great

[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@davew7687]

You said you read the manual. Did you see page four (4), about the ammo to use? I had not one issue 1st time firing mine. About 300 rounds. Not one issue. Not even getting mags loaded

[@devildog3246]

I heard the magazines don't like to be loaded to capacity when new. Seeing it had a tag on the trigger guard I'm guessing this is a new pistol. Break both the pistol magazines and pistol in a bit, and it may fix all those feeding issues. Keep'em coming brother!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I love this pistol. Had no problems loading the magazines full once I did it right

[@nicholasgabriel4073]

Maglula now makes a great little mag loader that makes sure the bullet gets to the rear of the mag. Sweet!

[@larryjones6049]

Also gives you practice clearing malfunctions.

[@donaldmayoneshot5579]

I had one it never gave me any trouble with jamming

[@jameswinans2270]

I have had my PMR 30 for almost 2 years now. I have never had a failure to feed or failure to eject. I have not done any special cleaning or tuning on the gun at all. I did buy the specific PMR 30 Auto loader and it makes loading a breeze. I only shoot CCI Maxi mags has the factory has recommended and many other people doing their blogs have found to be the best load. I hope this review doesn't discourage people because it seems a little bit unfair. I am not a gunsmith but just enjoy pistols and this gun is great fun and absolutely reliable. Due to the weight I use it as an everyday carrier sometimes. My sig 9 mm is much shorter and smaller but actually much heavier. I think there's an awful lot to be said for the power of the 22 mag and having 30 rounds available. I do realize that this round has about 1/2 to stopping power of a 9 mil, but I also can carry more than three times as much ammo in the one magazine. Carrying a second mag which way is very little now gives you 60 rounds. How much do you need to stop something or someone. I find mine to be extremely accurate and The recoil is minimal.

[@bourbonresponse6062]

Iv honestly never ever had an issue with mine. Only shoot hornady though. I probably only have 500 through it though. Thats the gun i love getting beginners on low recoil and big fireballs!

[@kenthurman2344]

I personally love the keltec guns. I have owned 8 pmr30s. Currently own 4 and 1 cmr30. To many mags to remember, lol. (When I sold or traded 4, I kept one mag each.) it's very selective on ammo. Heavier bullet (rounder nose) and faster speed works best, I've found. And they recommend. Fully loaded, the gun weights about a pound. So when I carry, I also have 2 extra mags. That's a total of 90 rounds and gun under 2 lbs. You forget you even have it on you.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@easternzone7869]

Another great video. 30 rounds of a little punch sounds tempting for an EDC. 1, pause, 2,3, pause,4,pause,5,pause........ is enough to qualify for a frustrating plinker NOT a defense gun. Keep these honest real-deal reviews comin!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching Eastern Zone!

[@dannytravis7118]

I have a pmr 30 and love it. one thing I found out was it needs to be cleaned before use the first time, to keep it lubricated, and the more it's shot the better it runs. I believe it has a break in period

[@fjb4932]

dannytravis, Advice applies to EVER firearm ( Clean / Lube ). ☆

[@AnantaAndroscoggin]

I've been looking around today at PMR-30 videos, and I've gotten the firm impression that you want to break in the pistol before you can expect much in the way of reliability from 30-grain cartridges.

[@Me2Lancer]

Well said. Just watching this video, you can see how by the end it appeared to have broken in.

[@staceyhartman6825]

I got one of the first in my county when they came out. Held it and pulled out my credit card. Never had ANY issues with ammo running 30-40 grains, including Armscor. One he'll of a great gun, and never felt the need to get the replacement barrel .

[@Powell_OBonez]

Great Video Who Tee WHOOOOOO Been wanting a PMR 30 for a long time !

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Hey Fred!

[@Mrelindio42]

I just fired my new PMR 30. I loaded 30 rounds of CCI Maximag 40 grain bullets into one mag and 30 rounds of the Hornady Speer Gold Dot 40 grain short barrel load into the other. Both fired flawlessly. I mixed up the next mag between the Gold Dots and the CCIs and all fired perfectly. Before I tested the PMR, I disassembled it and lubed it. It looked pretty dry as it came from the factory. I plan on sticking with the Speer Gold Dots and use the CCIs if can't find the Speer ammo. The Speer ammo has a large hollow point and I was apprehensive it wouldn't feed, but it worked great. I used a Maglula loader, but did load one mag with 30 rounds by hand. I don't recommend hand loading over 25 rounds. A fun pistol to shoot!

[@Mrelindio42]

Hornady does not belong in the above paragraph. Too late to edit!.

[@NortheastSurvival911]

That's the point I made in another comment on here. I don't just take a factory shipped gun load it and go shoot it because I don't know the conditions at the factory I mean granted there's going to be some really shitty lubricant in it and it's going to be filthy. I take my firearms home doesn't matter what they are totally strip them down completely flawlessly clean them and lubricate them then only then do I take them out to see how they fire. And I keep them spotless I have a bit of OCD when it comes to Firearms so whether I put 10 rounds through it or a thousand it's going to get cleaned the same time every time I'm done. I do this because a friend of mine God rest his soul he didn't he never cleaned his shit and he's dead now. When he needed it to fire it didn't. One bullet went down range and then it jammed you could say it was a catastrophic jam too. I don't know the details of it but he wasn't able to recover fast enough. Since then especially if I'm out in public my firearms are flawless as far as the cleanliness and proper lubrication. people tell me you don't have to clean it like that man it's all good you don't have to do that yeah I get I don't have to do that but I lost a really close friend who never did it. And I'm just not going to take that risk. Ever. Granted I'm also raising four of my five daughters alone so yeah they all stay flawless because when I need them to go boom especially protecting my babies they damn well better. 🙏🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@1776adb]

Seems like the feed ramp definitely could use some polishing on these guns.

[@Me2Lancer]

Thank you for your comments, WTW. I'm pleased to own a PMR30 and love it. I strongly recommending cleaning and lubricating the gun before use and carefully load the magazines as described by Michael Ledford below.

[@hughaskew6550]

WMF is not WMR. The 22WRF IIRC is a .226" caliber vs the 22WMR at .224", plus the case difference that you noted. Very similar but not the same.

[@CaptainSeamus]

negative. Both are .224" which is larger than .22LR, and they are able to be used on some .22mag rifles - but they will do the same as .22 shorts in a .22lr - they will eventually scrape lead foul the front of the chamber into the barrel. His on camera experience was what I noticed in trying some .22 WRF hand cycling in my new PMR30. Cycle 1 or 2 and then jam up because the cartridge is too short. Fortunately, I have an old Model 12 Remington in .22WRF (or .22 Remington Special) which is why I have boxes of that ammo laying around.

[@hughaskew6550]

CaptainSeamus It appears that you're correct on the bullet diameter -- sorta. It looks like perhaps the CCI WRF was .226" while the Winchester was .224"

[@CaptainSeamus]

@@hughaskew6550 could be on the published. I was going from putting a micrometer to the Winchester SuperX and the CCI that I have on hand. I only checked 1 round of each, but they were neigh on identical. I didn't look at published data on these, but I do know that the published data and the real world will sometimes vary slightly, and I grant you I only sampled 1 each. So, I'm might be right on that one round, but you could easily be correct that they average a bit bigger. Cheers!

[@mccranahan747]

22 mag is one of my favorites i ran 9 rounds of CCI 40 grain maxi mag and had 2 Failure to Fire and was surprised and a little disappointed. Ran 15 rounds of old Remington copper plated through my AR15 with the CMMG bravo 22lr conversion kit and all 15 ran flawlessly

[@jesusyeshuaelelyonelshadai6295]

New guns need to be broken in

[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@ginogrimaldi5589]

wrong

[@sturmgewehr70]

Cheaply made ones...

[@MJ0U812]

Yes they Do, This pistol sounds Dry as a Popcorn Fart. I always break down new weapons and inspect and lube before I hit the range. IMO it's never bad to do no matter what brand of gun.

[@imarooster3548]

No they don't if correctly made..

[@celticfriar1129]

Kel-Tech has their own speed loader for the 30 and it prevents misfeeds and I have never had a problem with the feed.

[@hyperhapkidodarys]

When I use 30g on my non good, But when I put 40g and up is all good

[@paulmichaud1246]

Load as many rnds. As you can comfortably , let it set for a couple days ,then add one more at a time ! Let sit, the spring will relax some !

[@MikeJones-so7gs]

40 grain ammo is a must... Love the videos..

[@rocko10ish]

I bought a PMR 30 2 years ago. It was awesome to shoot. Although I had FTF issues every 10 rounds. Last month sent gun to Kel Tec and they fixed it by “updating the magazines and replacing the slide.” And had it back to me in a week and a half. Have ran like 600 rounds of many different brands and grains of .22 mags with 0 issues. It’s amazing and a VERY special firearm. I LOVE it. My favorite round to date is the CCI WMR 30 grain. They are the loudest and breathe fire! However, I would never feel comfortable carrying a rimfire firearm for protection. Rimfire just isn’t as reliable as centerfire. Great video.. I’ve read that 40 and 45 grain work great with this gun. They work fine but are very slow and weak feeling compared to the 30 grain. I was most disappointed in the 45 grain.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

This one runs real good

[@Unspeakablestudios.com.]

kel tec has told us to use cci maximal 40 grain rounds....2500 rounds with no problem

[@whiskeycigar1963]

I use cci 40g and no problems

[@mee1492]

I had a hangfire that pushed the slide far enough back to rupture the case when the rest of the powder went off. Burned some hair off my arms and blew the slide release button off. Keltec had me send it in to them to look at. Got it back everything was fine. Now i use Armscor.

[@stevebono9058]

I have 2 pmr's, no issues. Mags can be a pain to load correctly, but a load assist device is comming out on the market soon...no more dented rounds, and easy loading. I also have 2 CMR 30's all 4 work flawlessly. The rifles are straight blowback and don't like lightweight ammo unless well-oiled

[@gtbirdleg]

need to use 40 gr and up for best performance, preferrably hornady critical defense 40 gr.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Yup. Shot it a lot today

[@mikenystrom9289]

Father in law has one. If you don't use high velocity ammo it Ftf constantly. If you read the owner's manual it will tell you this. He had regular velocity ammo and it jammed every other round. Makes sense though the high velocity 22 mags are needed to cycle that stiff spring properly. With high velocity it worked perfectly.

[@cigarcoffee5313]

I use on my CCI 40g and UP and all good

[@zoeyshoots]

Winchester white box, 333 rounds, $15.... Never fails... All my 22s are running on it.. no problems.. The only problems we have, is that we would get 900 rounds for $10 in 2004... Then our first skinny president shut down a few lead mines around the country.. Prices went up, for a lot of obvious reasons.. True story... Look it up...

[@richardkellar9259]

Tried to find one of these for THREE years and, couldn’t get one so, bought a 22TCM9r! VERY HAPPY with my purchase!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Ooh nice

[@richardkellar9259]

Still got fireballs AND 2000fps!!

[@johnrobinson357]

I had some feed and jam issues on mine. I sent it to kel tec it's fine now eats all kinds of ammo zero issues at all.

[@MegaBait1616]

I sent mine back 4x's then I sold it. Had hopes for it to.

[@johnrobinson357]

@@MegaBait1616 I guess i got lucky. I also made a piece out of steel that was plastic as it comes. A little block that seems to separate the recoil spring rod and the barrel. Sanding and filing it a bit until the fit was right. If i had to guess i would say 1,500 to 1,700 rds thru it. Zero problems at all. But it is rimfire ammo that it eats, very dirty stuff. I keep it kinda clean, full strip and wash down every 500 or less Rds. I cheat and give it a shot of WD once and a while, but i do that with all my semi pistols and rifles. Even Honda makes a few lemons, Someone is going to get one. Yes kel tec has had too many go out the door that are flawed - no excuse for that.

[@MegaBait1616]

@@johnrobinson357 , yeah guess you did. Only toy left from Keltec is a Gen.1 sub 2000 which is all plastic even the feed ramp. No more from them. :)

[@johnrobinson357]

@@MegaBait1616 The PMR is the only thing i have from kel tec. Although the KSG shotgun looks damn cool, the price but more the reputation keeps me far away. For the money i'd get a rock island armory AR 10 and never look back.

[@MegaBait1616]

@@johnrobinson357 , yeah that's it they make cool guns but ya never know if you get a good one. who makes a plastic feed ramp ? plastic receivers, sheet rock screws, ect. ? Now they have a call back on barrels on the Gen.-2000's blowing up ? unbelievable .

[@raymondbowersock8748]

I believe that the .22 WRF is a completely different caliber than the.22WMR. It seems to me that it is a much older round dating back to the 1890's. In fact I thought that it was basically the same as extinct.

[@PatRMG]

Man, those hollow points are acting like my latest review....

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Yup

[@orygunguy5020]

FYI: This is late to the party but: Note that CCI warns against using their .22 WRF ammunition, which is loaded with a JHP bullet, in .22 WMR guns.

[@fjb4932]

Best kept secret. Wonder why 1) CCI warns against it,and 2) Why it's not more widely published . Thankyou. ☆

[@craigcook1571]

Looked at one of those 2day at a gun show. Glad I passed it up

[@kb9thp]

The 22 mag was designed for a bolt or lever action rifle. A semi auto pistol has too short of a barrel and a large portion of the gun powder burns outside the barrel hence the fireball and incomplete cycling of the slide. Lighter the bullet bigger the flash as the bullet is moving so fast. The cheap federals are inadequate for a semi auto as there not hot enough and again incomplete cycling of the slide and jams. The hotter the load and heavier the bullet the better they will work in the pistol. I've had best results from CCI maxi mag ammo.

[@randlerichardson5826]

Yep I do that to the mag in my Taurus to. Hit it again my hand to make sure the bullets are seated. Great looking gun I like them.

[@abraham05071978]

I have now shot hundreds of rounds through mine, and it doesn’t do any good with smaller than 40grs. 40 or higher, you can mag dump no problem.

[@michaelsmith2733]

abraham, I would think that the heavier rd. would be better for self defense too.

[@duanehenicke6602]

Just purchased it's big brother today in the rifle category. 4 different boxes of ammo. Only one it liked was cci. They were hollow points. Not one failure to load with them. None of the other 3 would load on its own. All 4 were tack drivers. All holes touched at 35 yards. Good trigger. Very light gun. Fun to shoot. Glad i bought multiple rounds. Would've been pissed if none of them would run through the gun. Apparently they build them to shoot cci. And yes the clips are a bitch to load. Book says it will get easier over time. Hope so. Love the accuracy of the gun.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Awesome

[@gardnerparkerinsurance7485]

22 WRF (old caliber) is a different caliber than 22 Win Mag Love your video however, great test!!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@VEGABRICCS]

On the 3rd shot @12:36 the slide struggles to go into battery

[@markc6207]

Cool buddy might be good to have Paul polish that feed ramp.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Yeah I would if it was my gun

[@DeanPatterson-j9q]

I sent mine back to get all their upgrade parts such as feed ramp and trigger. It’s a new pistol , shoots fantastic. Been shooting CCI and Aguila . Mine was an early model. Magazines broke in by leaving them loaded and brushing by hand super fine sand paper. PS they have a nice loader , i only put around 20. I believe ALL semi autos have break in period , rifle and shotgun. Try strictly 40 gain , needs good power to throw the slide all the way back. Long shell.

[@jeffm862]

Kel-Tec's some people hate them, some say there toy's made from plastic. I'm still thinking about getting one, I hear they need a break-in pried. Your Buddy maybe using you to help with the breaking in, still fun.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I like it

[@tleg6969]

I've put hundreds of rounds through my Gen 2 PMR and had zero malfunctions. I just use the suggested ammo in the manual. Hotter load and heavy bullet seems to be the key.

[@belagings600]

Yea suggested ammo is 40 grain so use that or heavier. And I suggest using the speed loader that has a slide to seat cartridges.

[@tleg6969]

@@belagings600 I've never used the speed loader with mine. But I can see where it would help.

[@tleg6969]

@timmybmn you are one helluva friend!! I have a feeling you'll like your new PMR. I love mine, it's a blast to shoot, and it feels like it'll never run out of ammo.

[@jaymoge]

I see a few issues with the "fail to feed" issues. I'm going to write off the fail to eject to chance and rim fire ammo issues but the fail to feeds were for 1) the feed ramp probably isn't polished. 2)the energy stored in the brand new springs in the mags put so much pressure on the round it gets hung up because it's too "preloaded" with that spring. 3) polymer slide on a polymer frame, there's no "lube" to speak of. metal on metal with oil would be best but in this case maybe some dry lube like graphite would help. Polish that feed ramp, break in the mag springs and i think you'll be fine. I know it's not your gun but this is for the readers... great job on the vid, Kel-Tec does do some crazy stuff and no all of it is super successful but most of it is...

[@moddedcomputers]

Any semi-auto needs a good break in period. 200 rounds or so.

[@mrgimble2]

Seems to me that if the gun has been properly made, It should be ready to go right out of the box. I have never understood this break in period. If the correct ammo is used, it should run like a sewing machine!

[@haroldsheriff2728]

I'm a couple years tardy on this one. I didn't see any other comments referencing this, so I had to comment. 22 WRF (Winchester Rimfire) is not 22 WMR (magnum) ammo. It's the parent cartridge. Same concept as 22 short and 22lr. It will work well in revolvers and reasonably well in bolt/lever guns. It is shorter and lower power so it's not suitable for most semi-automatics. Sorry if I am repeating something that's already been discussed.

[@kirkmooneyham]

Oh, I feel bad now. I posted something similar before I sorted the comments for "Most Recent" and scrolled down and saw this. Exactly correct, though.

[@stevekillgore9272]

30 rounds in a mag, is that like Evil times 5 in California ?!

[@jimb7816]

Fuck California

[@1Jisom]

Just picked up it's big brother CMR 30 carbine, ran 400 rounds through it this weekend, not one failure. shoots better than I can.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Awesome!

[@Unspeakablestudios.com.]

use the recommended cci maximal 40 grain 100 percent reliability

[@everythingloud4068]

I have a kel tec su-16 I got about 10 years ago and it jammed off and on for the first 100 rounds now its very reliable and never jams

[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@williamboggs4317]

22wmr is not the same as 22wrf

[@jamiesloan5902]

william boggs You're exactly right! That cartridge is made for a completely different firearm.

[@22tcm34]

William boggs you are completely correct

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Yup but u can fire it in a 22mag

[@freedomfirst5420]

Yeah, the magnums are longer and more powerful. Winchester Rimfire and Winchester Magnum Rimfire.

[@gonzosgadgetsandguns3601]

Love my PMR30, but it sure is finicky with the ammo as you showed.

[@williegilson4340]

Around the 12:00 minute mark Hank Hill actually starts shooting. You're welcome

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Dangit bobby!

[@tbublz]

Bahaha

[@donttrip3685]

This is a great video but the gun just needs some lubrication it sounds a bit raspy

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Right outta the box

[@Iceman-Iceman]

I purchased a PMR 30 several years ago, absolutely love it Actually used it to qualify for my C.W.P. Instructor was suprised that someone could use this weapon to qualify for C.W.P. class He asked if I had another gun, I replied Absolutely, Then he asked why then use a PMR 30 with all the bad issues to qualify replied to prove that could be done I replied, YOU MUST LOAD MAGAZINE PROPERLY AND USE A MINIMUM OF 40 GRAIN BULLET, AS SUGGESTED IN THE MANUAL As much as I love my PMR 3O, my EDC is a FNSC 9mm, due to the 22 mag bullet is NOT good for EDC due to the thin casing, however still absolutely fun to shoot

[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@Tommy-ni1yw]

Lube that thing up man! A lot of the more inexpensive firearms likes to be ran wet

[@jasonmccallister8905]

I had 2 FTF the first 50 rds I shot out of mine. Polished the feed ramp. Runs flawless now. Have fired around 500 rds now. Shoots like a champ. I’ve shot plastic tips, HPs, and round nose. One of my favorite pistols.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Is a fun one for sure

[@spencercowboy6435]

New gun. I'm curious if it needs a break in period. Still with it being that new I wouldn't think it would have that many issues.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

It wan good with the heavier rounds. Just didnt like the 30 grain

[@spencercowboy6435]

Maybe an ammo sensitive gun.

[@tleg6969]

They suggest heavier rounds and hotter loads in the manual. Using their suggested ammo I've not had a single malfunction.

[@jimlee8248]

The mags need time to load easily when new. New ones are dry and need to be cleaned before shooting. First bunch of rounds grahpite cover till the gun broke in and it is fine. Kel Tec recommends CCI.

[@calwianka]

11:00 minute intro? Lethal.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@DeanPatterson-j9q]

I sent mine back to get all their metal parts such as feed ramp and trigger. It’s a new pistol , shoots a tactic. Been shooting CCI ad ad Aguila . Mine was an early model. Magazines broke in by leaving them loaded and brushing by hand super fine sand paper. PS they have a nice loader , i only put around 20. I believe ALL semi auto have break in period , rifle and shotgun.