Pyranha Ripper VS Dagger Rewind "Which One Should You Get"

[@milllworks]

such a solid, no nonsense, review. thanks so much for putting in the time and effort to do share some of the best information sharing available anywhere. always watch your walkthroughs and your on the water reviews.

[@WadeHarrison]

Thanks millsworks for watching and appreciate your compliments..

[@danielgelinas7141]

Hey Wade. Solid review! I started paddling in the early 90s. Here are some numbers of the old school boats I had: Perception pirouette 11foot2inches, 23.5 width. Extremely fast for a plastic boat... WS. Frankenstein 9foot9inches, 24inch width. Still a fast boat. Then boats started getting wider and wider and wider for stability’s sake. These new sloooow boats sure surfed well. Then along comes the ripper large. A speed machine that surfs great AND has edges. It put a smile back on my face after all these years! Cheers!

[@WadeHarrison]

Wow what a list and thanks for the feedback Daniel!!

[@william2496]

What I gather (only actually tried the Rewind on G3 so far): Rewind: bigger rocker + smoother edge = stabler. Ski comparison: naturally does parralel v well in all water, All Mountain Ski. Ripper: smaller rocker + sharper edge = less stable but way faster. Ski comparison: naturally carves/short dynamic v well, specific ski (Downhill or Dual tips). Could you say these are more or less the slicey equivalents of the Dagger Code and Pyranha Scorch?

[@WadeHarrison]

No very different from those

[@richardpowell1389]

Got to go with the Ripper for me. Love how technical it makes you paddle. Moving around the river, grabbing eddies, tailies in and out, s-turns, pivot turns, attainments and surfing. Only fit into a large ripper and I hope the large rewind isn't a tank like the Axiom 9.0

[@WadeHarrison]

Great feedback richard and sadly I think the large rewind is a tank I paddled it briefly so maybe you could give one a demo and let me know what you think

[@sbaldwin21]

I have large ripper, axiom 9.0 and large rewind. Much prefer the ripper for surfing and playing on grade 2/3 and if I was a better paddler I’d take it on harder stuff but I ain’t (yet). The large rewind is much more stable for me on G4, but less playful and not as fun to surf. Not a lot of reviews or comparisons of the large rewind, and those that have are connected to dagger. The axiom 9.0 is a strange beast - super high volume half slice and I think of it as my surfy creeker - similar dimensions and volume to a steaze with less rocker. I haven’t really decided between the 9.0 and large rewind which to keep, but will not get rid of the ripper simply for how fun it is on my surf runs.

[@zachtom3132]

I paddle a small ripper, it's the 1st boat I ever bought and committed and still love it 2 years later. 23 inches wide is really narrow, but since I learned in it it feels really good. I also love that hard edge.

[@WadeHarrison]

Thanks for the feedback yeah I have paddled the small some also

[@tuomaslahtero2264]

How much you weight /height

[@huntergipson3447]

I’d love to see a comparison on the full slice boats / or whatever these new ones are actually called - like the Ozone vs the LL Homeslice although they’re a little different - just trying to find a little more playful boat than the Antix/Antix 2.0 I’ve paddled both side by side in the sam wave/same day - but looking for a new rig I can play more with. Great video man!

[@WadeHarrison]

I’m going to do some full slice boat reviews soon I have paddled all the newer ones I just did not do reviews then

[@romerobinson8279]

Great comparison! I’ve owned both boats and I agree with all the points you made. I do love the play/creeking with the rewind though. I like the way you can pivot turn the ripper better than the rewind I guess due to the lack on stern rocker on the ripper

[@WadeHarrison]

Yes very good points on the stern pivot turns thanks for the feedback

[@RonnGarris]

I’d have to agree with you Wade, both are super fun but have individual areas of perfection. That’s why I bought both! Hardest thing now is deciding which to paddle...

[@icelandicwhitewater]

Paddle both 👍

[@WadeHarrison]

Yeah liked your colors you went with Ron!!

[@WadeHarrison]

Yes

[@mikehunt4686]

Great review Wade..... I thought I was hooked on playboats until I started paddling the ripper? Zipping around the river grabbing Eddie's and attainments is unreal in the ripper. I prefer a more snug fit in the ripper similar to a playboat as well.

[@WadeHarrison]

Good feedback thanks for watching

[@1stVARifleman]

Wish you would have added the Antix 2.0 for a ménage à trois comparison. But I already know what you would say most likely, if you want more play than river running, the Antix is the half-slice for you. Great job as always. You really are the best whitewater kayak reviewer on the net, with Alex Barham being a close second. My next boat will probably be a half-slice, more than likely an Antix 2.0 or Rewind. I've noticed a lot of slalom paddlers really like the Ripper and hype it a lot. I'm guessing because of the similar feel with the Ripper being narrow, fast, and maneuverable.

[@WadeHarrison]

Thanks for the compliments buddy yeah I love AlexsB he’s awesome 😎 And yeah I did do a Antix 2.0 vs rewind video if you haven’t seen it I linked to it in the video or can click below kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIGzZXiOYt-ep5Y

[@anthonyprice111]

Awesome review! You checked all the boxes on the differences of the features and performance I was curious of. I Read in your replies that you had a lot of time in the axiom. I would love to know your thoughts on the differences of the axiom versus rewind.

[@WadeHarrison]

I will try to put something together of axiom rewind at some point the axiom was a good boat for it’s time it’s just so dated now

[@firebolt901]

Awesome review. Curious what you would recommend to someone with a season and a half of expetience. Been pushing into class IV recently. I've mostly been in a 4fun, and would probably keep that boat as well. Thinking that the 4fun would somewhat fill that river runner playboat niche and the ripper would be a good addition for bigger water and training river running technique. I demoed both, but unfortunately they only had a large rewind and don't think i got the real feel of it.

[@WadeHarrison]

Yeah ripper who’ll help tune In down river type moves the rewind has a way more playful tail but little softer on the rails so not as aggressive for down river

[@firebolt901]

@@WadeHarrison thanks for the reply!!

[@mitchellhall7382]

I completely agree with everything EXCEPT outfitting. Dagger 9/10, Pyranha 7/10. The ripper is the first Pyranha boat I've owned and was disappointed with the outfitting. Hip pads are always folding over or falling out. And sometimes the strap comes out of the ratchet when I'm getting in the boat. Took lots of extra time and foam to get it set up right. I was comfortable in the Rewind within 5 minutes. Maybe that's because I'm tall and skinny?

[@WadeHarrison]

Yeah I was coming more from functionally they both work Pyranha does need more time to set up and they should seriously look at a complete overhaul I agree dagger is really good and more user friendly but both work

[@AnonymousOtters]

Great comparison. I haven't paddled the Rewind, but just traded the Ripper for an Antix 2.0 and very happy. The Ripper outfitting was at best a 4/10 for me. Had to replace backband buckle, hip pads wore out after 10 days, and personally the seatpan shape and adjustment sucks. It's too bad because I loved the hull

[@romerobinson8279]

How do you like the antix compared to the ripper? I’ve yet to paddle a 2.0 antix

[@WadeHarrison]

Wow 4/10 is brutal on them I agree with you that the outfitting could use some refinement. And yeah good trade on the Antix 2.0 I really liked that boat also it’s a playboaters dream half slice

[@WadeHarrison]

Hey Rome I paddled the Antix 2.0 and feel it’s suitable more for playing and hole moves and is good downriver but not as good as either of these all the current trends of half slice are really good in their own way you need to demo if you can to see what fits your style the best

[@danehauser8675]

Such a great comparison Wade, thanks!

[@WadeHarrison]

Thanks Dane appreciate you watching

[@dymlachance]

Great Video 100% Right comparison. I had both Boats , but I find something weird in the second stability in the rewind. I didnt like it as my Ripper , Ripper class 3 to Class 5 creek. All the way ! Also I went Medium Ripper to Large and all I get from this move , more stability and so much more knee space = more comfort and It still squirt like I had a Medium.

[@WadeHarrison]

Nice thanks for the feedback

[@sazger]

Would you recommend a large for a 5”11 roughly 180 pounds guy?

[@WadeHarrison]

@@sazger no I’m 5’10”180 and both these boats are M and are perfect the L in both these models are just River runners

[@dymlachance]

@@sazger I'm 5.6, 180 lbs. Ripping in the L version

[@jamesshort6856]

I wish you could get the exo boats in the US. The rexy, party rexy and trex all look like beasts, and I would love to know your thoughts

[@WadeHarrison]

Yes I do as well I have actually seen some out in the river before they always look really good

[@joemamma5350]

When you look at EXO’s site, there is a dealer in WI (absolutely no help if you live anywhere else in the US.)

[@WadeHarrison]

@@joemamma5350 that’s all the way cross country but if I get over to WI again I will look that up thanks for the info

[@NolieRS]

I'm on the cusp for a S or M rewind. Im 5'7 163lbs without gear on. What do you recommend? I'm not paddling anything super stout but want to check off the UY and Gauley this season. Leaning towards Medium cause I dont have a creeker, but a small would be a blast on lower water days.

[@WadeHarrison]

Oh if you don’t have a full Creeker go medium rewind all the way it will be your one boat do all

[@NolieRS]

@@WadeHarrison thanks for the reply! As always, I love the video!

[@rtod4]

If you know any old folks, I'd love to see a review of the Perception Quest. If any still exist... It was the first commercially successful plastic kayak

[@WadeHarrison]

Dude I’m totally down for review old school boats I just don’t know many people with old school boats they let me use

[@jeremymcmullan1540]

Great comparison! Looking to get a new boat, and came down to both of these. Leaning towards the Rewind, for a 210lbs naked 6' guy, would you recommend medium or large rewind?

[@WadeHarrison]

The medium will fit you and be very playful the large is very big and almost no play me personally I say go with the medium I think at your height and weight you will throw it around and have a way more fun experience In that boat

[@jeremymcmullan1540]

@@WadeHarrison sounds good, should i still be able to run class V? hoping to keep just 1 boat, or will the medium be a little too sporty?

[@WadeHarrison]

@@jeremymcmullan1540 with the seat in the center I think you will get used to that stern it does require a different style

[@mountainhobbit1971]

Hey Wade do you have any idea how these kayaker companies come up with the recommended weight ranges? I have always wondered how they come up with these numbers.

[@WadeHarrison]

It usually based off the Cad with weight displacements added into the software

[@mountainhobbit1971]

@@WadeHarrison oh cool! I knew you'd have the answer! thanks buddy.

[@DelaneyFilms]

Enjoying all of your reviews. Love to hear your thoughts on the Rewind vs the new Ripper 2

[@WadeHarrison]

I’m thinking I will do a break down video at some point I just want more time in the R2 before doing taht

[@nottymyname7192]

Thanks for review! I prefer the rewind but don't know what size to get. I have an rpm that I feel cramped in already. I bought a phantom for the extra room when I go bigger water...I am 5'10 200 lbs with size 12 feet.. what do you think? Is the medium much smaller than large in the cockpit and foot room?

[@WadeHarrison]

No stay in the medium you will thank me. the LG was just too big to be fun. the medium rewind has a good amount of bow volume it will be fun and playful at your weight

[@nottymyname7192]

@@WadeHarrison Thanks! Medium it is! I assume you knew I meant 200 lbs rather than the mistyped 20!

[@smuir6104]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! comparison! Thank you

[@WadeHarrison]

Thanks buddy for watching

[@branecollision]

Party Braap vs Antix 2? Axiom vs RPM? Lots of possibilities

[@WadeHarrison]

Yes I’m going to throw something together on the half slice boats o paddled

[@AndrewMoizer]

Yup, Axiom vs RPM would be great for me. I got an RPM as my first WW boat when I went to pool sessions. But wondering about something better, especially for surfing. More of a chance of finding an Axiom used than a Ripper or Rewind.

[@WadeHarrison]

@@AndrewMoizer wow I spent a lot of time in both of those I don’t own any of them right now but maybe could throw a video together at some Point

[@AndrewMoizer]

@@WadeHarrison Thanks, but I'm sure you've got plenty of other videos that more people would enjoy. I'm guessing the edges on the Axiom would make a big difference, and it sounds like the Ripper would be better still based on your comments here (and the comments of others).

[@coldwateronly]

@@AndrewMoizer I've surfed both dagger boats, both are great. I preferred the planning(flat) hull of the axiom, but I haven't paddled much in displacement(rounded) hulls. That being said, the ripper isn't all that new and as production and distribution of new boats pick back up I think it will be around in a used market. I feel it is a surfing god amongst men for boats. Big waves, tight waves, waves that you don't even notice are there because it's just a damn ripple, this hull eats them all for breakfast! Pyrahna couldn't have given it a more suitable name.

[@coldwateronly]

Nail on the head Wade! Fast and nimble, slow and playful, pick your poison. I was surprised at the lack of hull speed in the rewind. It felt like a 43# play boat. Personally in a boat at these lengths the speed trumps play. I have lighter, shorter boats I can throw around and stand up in less water but I don't have a quiver of race boats lol.

[@WadeHarrison]

Nice!

[@pop4725]

You have a great lawn 😄

[@WadeHarrison]

lol it sucks Pop! I'm on the river way more then messing with that I got to keep some stuff to do when retired 🤔..

[@fritzrademacher]

I hope the next dagger outfitting will be the same as the current one much more robust and then dagger will be the best boat producer for me

[@WadeHarrison]

Yeah they could for sure work on the durability of all the parts in the outfitting

[@joshinfwtx4506]

Which 2 or 3 boats would you recommend as a first WW boat for someone just starting out?

[@nicholasleoni2886]

Zen 3.0 if it's your very first boat...

[@boblansburg1365]

you should pay careful attention to the outfitting and how that feels. Dagger has outstanding outfitting. They have something new this year which replaces the Mamba or find a Mamba. Pyranha boats are good but just take more time to get them right. The Burn is a tried and true favorite and the Machno is another good choice. The Liquid Logic Remix is another good boat, easy to roll and has been around for years. They have great outfitting also.

[@WadeHarrison]

That’s a long answer buddy but as a first boat I would suggest neither of these there’s some good choices out there and as one ☝🏻 said above the Z3 is really good first choice but my advice is go to your closest dealer and see what they have to say and if you want a second opinion feel free to hit me up

[@WadeHarrison]

Great choice

[@WadeHarrison]

Good feedback Bob

[@jeffccr3620]

What is your thought on the crossover boats Remix XP 10 Katana 10 Karma Traverse 10 I am right at 6 ft 240 lbs but looking for a class III multi day river camping boat or should i just stick with my 14 ft. Tsunami for class III

[@WadeHarrison]

I have paddled the Katana 10 and Jackson traverse I highly recommend the dagger katana 10 it’s the most well rounded it of the whole group

[@WadeHarrison]

Oh you have a tsunami also I paddled that one also it’s a very good boat with a ton of storage is it the newest one the redesign is more stable and slower but very nice still

[@jeffccr3620]

@@WadeHarrison Yep new design that doesnt have the day hatch 14 five L. I am guessing 2018 version

[@WadeHarrison]

@@jeffccr3620 it is more suitable for moving current the older ones are more lake style and on that note the dagger kayaks Stratos is amazing on moving water

[@jeffccr3620]

@@WadeHarrison I just hate to portage a 14 ft boat up hill and over rocks and figured something like the Katana would be much easier and force me to become more of a minimalist camper compared to the Tsunami

[@earthwisdom1016]

Great comparison review. How would you rate the Antix 2.0 in those same categories?

[@WadeHarrison]

I did a review on the Antix 2.0 and a comparison video kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKqQpH6pr7CohcU kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIGzZXiOYt-ep5Y

[@earthwisdom1016]

Yes, that is also a great video. Applying those rating numbers to those different categories was very helpful in understanding the boat differences. I would love to hear your ratings in those categories of the Antix 2.0. Thanks Wade!

[@matustrencansky6435]

Great review again Wade. I demo Ripper but don't like it. I found it narrow for my liking. At the end I trade Axiom for Rewind. Unfortunately 7 months later and still waiting for delivery. However when I demo Rewind I found it more playful than Axiom in stoppers.

[@WadeHarrison]

Wow 7 months where you located and what dealer??

[@matustrencansky6435]

@@WadeHarrison Im in UK

[@fergusl3604]

Hope you're not still waiting mate! Been long enough that I've your axiom and replaced it with a rewind!

[@jhopfinger]

Solid comparison! Keep em coming! Large Ripper vs Steeze..?

[@WadeHarrison]

😉

[@nicholasleoni2886]

I second that. I just switched up from the medium to the large ripper at 5,10 155lbs. Just more comfortable.

[@EricSmith-wx3hq]

How would you compare these to the antix 2?

[@WadeHarrison]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIGzZXiOYt-ep5Y i did a quick vs with the rewind

[@davidmitchell1829]

Damit destroyed my second ripper 1 and there getting harder to find now they don’t make them anymore trying to convince myself to switch to a rewind but this just confirms how much more the original ripper suits me

[@WadeHarrison]

I like the rip 2 over the 1 all day

[@davidmitchell1829]

@@WadeHarrison I think because of my slalom background the ripper 1 is much more suited for me I just can’t get along with the 2 as well

[@frogyman1023]

Been weighting so long for this

[@WadeHarrison]

Dropped just for your time zone buddy 🤓

[@frogyman1023]

@@WadeHarrison yeah I had just come back from kayaking to some say coincidence I say it is fate

[@Coachnickhawley1]

Or waiting?

[@frogyman1023]

@@Coachnickhawley1 yeah auto correct plus I ame a child so my spelling kinda sucks

[@Coachnickhawley1]

I'm 6'8 290lbs. Is there a good whitewater boat you'd recommend for me?

[@georgevids42]

Large Nirvana or a green boat. If you want play... maybe a super fun...

[@WadeHarrison]

Green boat is actually very small at 6’8” 290 no way

[@WadeHarrison]

Wow buddy what NFL team you been on that linebacker size.. and yeah as far as whitewater you pretty limited I can tell you one that’s massive and I have seen really big guys in it and that the Jackson Karma Large look it up and you can probably find a deal on some right now and the other is the Jackson kayak Large Nirvana and possibly the dagger kayaks Nomad Large those are a few boats that I know are extremely large let me know what you find and and maybe I can help you

[@georgevids42]

@@WadeHarrison really, 12ft long but still small... Wow, that seems like an oversight. or is it done intentionally keep us bigger guys out of shuttle pools?

[@Coachnickhawley1]

Thank you for the advice!!!

[@VacationFor]

where to buy these dagger

[@WadeHarrison]

They should be at dealers now

[@frogyman1023]

First again

[@WadeHarrison]

Love it!!

[@jordannorthrop5840]

How do these compare to the New Antixs from Jackson?

[@WadeHarrison]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIGzZXiOYt-ep5Y I did compare the rewind after I got to paddle the Antix 2.0