Sound off down below: are you guys ready ty fly on the MAX right now, do you plan on waiting and seeing, or will you never fly on the jet again?
@alphamalegold13 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting - better safe than sorry
@alphamalegold3 жыл бұрын
Yaaaaa.....no
@deeser3 жыл бұрын
Nope. The crashes exposed too much of what is currently wrong with Boeing's business culture. Give it a year, or two, before they get my trust back
@pilotpeter88503 жыл бұрын
I'm only flying on it once I see Boeing's CEO ride on board
@ilikebobfish22383 жыл бұрын
yeah I would 100% fly on the 737 Max
@peterdegelaen3 жыл бұрын
Apart from all the reasons you are giving, there is one more very simple reason: Airbus absolutely didn't want to take advantage of the Max's grounding. They simply don't have the capacity to boost their production to cover for possible Max replacements. They knew Boeing would come back at some time and the huge investment that would be needed to be able to cover for these possible additional orders, would only be useful for a very limited period. It would just not be worth it.
@Drobbik3 жыл бұрын
this is very much true, there is a limit to how much of the max's fleets you can replace with one jet
@sedrakpc2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely true, there is not much a competition between Boeing and Airbus. As an ex Boeing engineer I was always welcomed in Toulouse and Hamburg factories like their. And last time I was there they where working on plains from 9year ago backlog. As I remember for A320 family backlog is 4 time more than production for last 10 years. They will be happy to use any other plain issues for marketing, but not 737.
@rscott22472 жыл бұрын
I think Airbus was also busy getting the A220 for an efficient production run.
@karimabdulmajid80602 жыл бұрын
I mean he did hint about this throughout the whole video
@peterkotara3 жыл бұрын
Back orders. Airbus cant just pull jets out of its ass. Saved you 10 minutes.
@markodom38413 жыл бұрын
Maybe they are pulling them outta ....... at least if they try, that would be a bigger QC risk than Boeing’s hurrying to get the Max on the market to compete with the Neo. Haste makes waste for anyone who tries it.
@peterkotara3 жыл бұрын
@@markodom3841 Squeeeezing them out.
@rickfeng44663 жыл бұрын
A320 capacity was limited but A220 production could have increased and eat away 737 market share.
@tonydecastro63403 жыл бұрын
exactly. he assumes that Airbus could deliver on orders taken from the 737 max just like that when there is already a huge backlog!!! the airlines of course are grandstanding, using Airbus to get Boeing to cut its price. and voila, Boeing, in order to preserve market share, is now selling its already produced but non-performing aircraft sitting in storage places at much lower prices.
@redtailarts1013 жыл бұрын
I raise you: They didn't capitalize on the MAX fiasco because they aren't monsters who will capitalize and make money off of people's deaths. Airbus does not consider the 737 MAX a win for them, they consider it a tragedy and a loss for the families.
@anteeko3 жыл бұрын
Well the A320 production was maxed'out... Airbus couldn't take advantage of the situation in any significant way..
@hddhdhxhxb17933 жыл бұрын
“Maxed’out” I see what you did there
@captainCaybrew3 жыл бұрын
They can still secure more orders even if production is at maximum.
@mbenidze3 жыл бұрын
@@captainCaybrew usually not possible unless an airline is willing to wait 8-10 years on deliveries.
@matteofalduto7663 жыл бұрын
@@mbenidze Generally 8-10 years for an airline is not that much. They plan their fleet upgrade way in advance. When they receive a brand new aircraft, they already know when and how to retire it.
@mbenidze3 жыл бұрын
@@matteofalduto766 If you've followed recent orders, they are usually not 8-10 years ahead in general. A portion of the order can be down that far (especially when ordering a brand new airplane which is still in development) but usually not the case for single-aisle jets which airlines would want to receive in 3-5 year's time.
@markhagger79393 жыл бұрын
Hmmm - have to disagree with your conclusions. You've completely missed the fact that airlines often can't switch manufacturers without significantly increasing their costs. Just re-training flight crews alone will take time and expense, not to mention all the changes required to ground handling, maintenance etc. Add to the fact that airlines with orders are involved in complex contractual relationships with Boeing and the switch to another airframe manufacturer at such short notice is just not as easy as you suggest. Finally to "capitalise" on Boeing's misfortunes, implies that Airbus would have to make Hay on the fact that the Boeing plane was in some way inherently unsafe. To start such mud-slinging would undermine passenger confidence in flying and no-one in the industry wants that.
@bonelesswatermelon4203 жыл бұрын
In my take, I think Airbus may had also taken a more risk averse approach during the time of the Max grounding. Had they been too aggressive and tried to "take" the whole of Boeing's sales share, they would also end up falling from a higher height during the aviation downturn, resulting to a bigger loss due to a larger excess in aircraft building capacity. IMO, they played their cards right and didn't fly too close to the sun.
@charlesharper23573 жыл бұрын
More important to maintain quality than to grab more than you can handle.
@leebee11003 жыл бұрын
Omg I could not have worded this better. Honestly I strongly disagree that airbus dropped the ball. They didn’t wave their hands and yell LOOK AT ME BOEING SUCKS! and make a grab for all the moneys most likely because they’re decent human beings and don’t want to profit off of or be associated in any way with the literal hundreds of deaths tied to the 737-8 MAX f*ck up. Cody. Zoom out dude. Maybe it’s an American thing to point to a tragedy with several hundred deaths and question why nobody swooped in and made millions off it. It seems like a lot of people have already forgotten and forgiven that 346 people paid for Boeing’s savage, penny pinching, corruption. Nobody should be making money off of those lives.
@kevinh39792 жыл бұрын
@@leebee1100 Wow, what a naive comment. "most likely because they are decent human beings..." Did you miss the part about massive amounts of bribery?
@deeser3 жыл бұрын
Nope. Disagree with you here. Southwest was never going to switch from an all Boeing operation to a mixed or all Airbus one. It would have resulted in huge side costs (training, retooling, IT upgrades etc etc etc) that would have negated any benefits. The only reason they said that was to scare Boeing into giving them better deals on future plane orders; which worked.
@TimKotolenko3 жыл бұрын
I normally agree with you but in this case I think you missed a point. Airbus did not fail to use this opportunity. Some of the things you mentioned are correct but I am not sure they ever wanted to fully capitalize on it. If most Boeing costumers started ordering Airbus planes instead that would mean that Airbus would have to spend billion of euros to upgrade the production facilities and hire many new employees. That would leave the company too exposed in case the aviation growth slows down as it did this year. So in retrospect it was a good decision on their part to keep the liquidity. Another important factor is the cost that occurs when airline is switching the airplane maker (spare parts, trainings ... ). Airbus also have other plane models such as 220 family that are bringing a lot of money to the company unlike Boeing at this point in time. This is just my opinion of course. :)
@theepicfailgamer63173 жыл бұрын
typical Airbus fans Bois explains a lot usually nothing
@TimKotolenko3 жыл бұрын
@@theepicfailgamer6317 what exectly did u want to say with your comment? Yeah I prefer Airbus over Boeing true but that has nothing to do with what I wrote 😀
@thomaskettunen36993 жыл бұрын
Also why would airbus sell 200+ A320s for huge bulk discounts when they can charge almost list price? The backlog is full no reason to dig into profits
@drevildog13 жыл бұрын
I have wondered about that too. The aviation market is such a roller-coaster ride, where aot of airlines got caught in the trap by expanding too quickly. And the manufacturer is in no better position.
@clmk283 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely correct. Furthermore it is not in the best interests partners in a duopoly to under cut each other.
@Sanginius233 жыл бұрын
First, they said the Max is grounded for some weeks, then a few months, then til Summer, then end of 2019, then starting 2019, then spring 2020, then summer 2020 etc. Nobody expected that the Max was grounded for 20 months..
@charlesharper23573 жыл бұрын
Nobody knew what a POS it really was.
@vulc13 жыл бұрын
"Nobody expected that the Max was grounded for 20 months" Exactly, hence the saying--hindsight is 20/20!
@GH-oi2jf3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t. I thought critics were “piling on,” by complaining about wiring, the number of AoA sensors, the engine location, and other nonsense.
@charlesharper23573 жыл бұрын
@@GH-oi2jf It wasn't and isn't nonsense. The fact of the matter is that the MAX had a lot of things grandfathered in that wouldn't be allowed on a new design.
@vashonm3 жыл бұрын
Not really they couldn’t ramp up and they had a backlog, then covid19 they would have had to lay everyone off. Better than spending money upgrading the factories and staff.
@itstomatogear68063 жыл бұрын
Congratulations 🎉👏 of being the top comment 👍😁 (as of now 😈)
@michaelamvm61873 жыл бұрын
@@itstomatogear6806 Plus the costs of retraining pilots and mechanics.
@shreyanshyadav32853 жыл бұрын
He does not like airbus🤣
@noahbowie59853 жыл бұрын
It also looks really shitty as they would have essentially used hundreds of dead people as a tool to make more money.
@noahbowie59853 жыл бұрын
@@shreyanshyadav3285 yeah he's very biased towards Boeing.
@roadrunner62243 жыл бұрын
They have orders for the next decade and purposefully didn’t try to take over the market when they had the opportunity prior to the 737 Max launch, because if they take over the market Boeing is forced to develop an entirely new plane, which again forces Airbus to do same thereby wasting billions. Seems like you don’t understand how a duopoly works.
@thomaskettunen36993 жыл бұрын
Exactly, Airbus is selling aircraft for top dollar at the moment with thousands of orders. Why sell hundreds of aircraft you can't produce with huge bulk discounts. Boeing is gonna bankrupt itself with its pricing.
@jasoncrelopia8213 жыл бұрын
If I can play monopoly, why go duopoly? It's just because Airbus can't do. They have production problems. Their supply chain is far inferior than Boeing's. Boeing will come back sooner or later, trust me
@thomaskettunen36993 жыл бұрын
@@jasoncrelopia821 Well, Airbus has production capacity problems more than production problems. The stuff rolling off the production line is a-ok. For airlines (and passengers) it is way better if Boeing stays in business as we get cheaper flights. Monopoly is never good for the consumer
@roadrunner62243 жыл бұрын
@@jasoncrelopia821 because it´s illegal and while making the legal aspect stick would be difficult it would certainly piss off the US government which again would cost money.
@jasoncrelopia8213 жыл бұрын
@@roadrunner6224 agree ultimately it's very hard to play monopoly in this area as national security is also involved. But my point is if you can take up 70% of the market and you don't try hard, this is not how market economy works. Airbus just simply can't do it by their capacity, not by some political design as some people here guessed
@djposhea3 жыл бұрын
"French airplane maker"? Surely you meant, European airplane maker?
@davidcole3333 жыл бұрын
Considering the location of Airbus HQ, I'd say that qualifies them as a "French" airplane maker.
@djposhea3 жыл бұрын
@@davidcole333 I don't know which part of the world you are in. However, Airbus is a pan-european project. Everything about it is deeply rooted in politics and a very long history of inter-european wars. I say this with the best intention in the world and in a nice way, it ain't French, make no mistake about it. (FYI. I'm Irish.)
@Raffix3943 жыл бұрын
Actually the HQ is in the Netherleands. Blagnac, Greater Toulouse, France (main office) Leiden, Netherlands (headquarters) Madrid, Spain (international office)
@djposhea3 жыл бұрын
I just checked 'Companies Registration Office' in Dublin, Ireland. Their finance and leasing division is run from there (Ireland is a hub and world leader for aircraft leasing). A couple of dozen companies registered under the 'Airbus' brand, so God knows how many others are also registered.
@johnhenry67623 жыл бұрын
Monsieur, le blame goes to le founder, not le members. " Capitaine, round-up le usual suspect."
@charlesharper23573 жыл бұрын
Huh? Do you think that you can just ramp up production that fast? It's not like putting on a second shift at an auto plant.
@davidcole3333 жыл бұрын
I think you just bitch slapped every auto plant worker everywhere out there.
@charlesharper23573 жыл бұрын
@@davidcole333 Don't understand how supply chains work? Most parts in aircraft have to be carefully inspected individually and certified...most parts in auto plants don't. Most jobs in auto plants are semi-skilled and can be ramped up quickly...most aviation jobs can't. Most importantly, autos get through a production line in 17-18 hours...planes don't.
@Juanceesaint3 жыл бұрын
This time i will disagree to Coby Explain... Airbus decided not capitalize as they prefer quality and they dont want to have so much backlog.
@theepicfailgamer63173 жыл бұрын
double standard excuse
@dave85993 жыл бұрын
airbus did offer quality bribes.
@farhan32963 жыл бұрын
to the people out here who just came out of their mothers' womb, bribing in big procurement is a common practice in most Asian countries. Doesn't matter how good your product is, you still gotta put it some 'speed money' to the procurement officers, for you to seal the deal.
@farhan32963 жыл бұрын
@@77l96 still better than flying on a self certified coffin 🥱
@Racko.3 жыл бұрын
I Agree with Cody, the entire situation surrounded Airbus Backlog, not really quality
@ConcordeError4043 жыл бұрын
Coby Explanes: Airbus has not been able to capitalise on the 737 Max A320neo series: Am I a joke to you?
@diandykoolman47693 жыл бұрын
Airbus : its not my plane that crashed twice and damage my reputation
@electricheartpony3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he mentioned the neo already.
@jaredjeffs3 жыл бұрын
It’s always a bad idea to capitalize on your competition’s mistakes because it will usually come back to bite you. And also, if you do that, your competition will do the same to you when you get in trouble.
@redtailarts1013 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Especially in this scenario. Imagine what people would have thought if Airbus saw these deaths as an opportunity. They'd be getting slammed for being evil and insensitive, because this Boeing mistake cost lives
@redpilledbachelor77763 жыл бұрын
737 max grounded Airbus rubbing their hands: I'm going to end this man's career Covid 19: I don't think so.
@user-zz6iv2ou6f3 жыл бұрын
Airbus has orders filling their books and is operating damn near capacity with the resources they have. Aerospace is a slow moving industry. It wasnt a squandered opportunity, it realistically just wasn’t going to be possible for them to expand or doing anything significant to capitalize. “Dropped the ball” is misleading and indicative of someone who doesn’t understand the pace of the industry and/or hasn’t worked in it.
@toquelau57153 жыл бұрын
I'm not an aviation/aerospace professional or an expert, but in my experience with SCM, international trading and manufacturing, procurement of adequate suppliers of raw materials, parts and componentry is always a challenge, often being the limiting factor in production output (perhaps more so than FAL space and staffing, I'm not sure). If this is already an issue in other less-techy industries, I can only imagine how crazy it must be for aerospace, where parts need to be crafted to insane tolerances, abide to many testing constraints just to be certified as a supplier - not yet even considering their limitations with their own supplier procurement. There's also the difficulties in coordinating hundreds of companies in dozens of countries, often with language, customs delays and other barriers, besides transportation itself. The planning to ship large parts such as wings require careful planning of port crane handling, road closures with local traffic authorities, and others. All in all, it's easy for the blame to fall on Airbus, but just like with engines, the fault could be on the supplier side. What Airbus can do, cashflow nonwithstanding, is develop some of the componentry in-house, or procure for additional/alternative suppliers (which I'm sure it already does).
@todortodorov9403 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Aurbus is not McDonalds, where you hire some guys from the street, 30 mins education and they are fully operational at the grill flipping burgers. Aircraft manufacturing is not an assembly line process. Every step is done by hand, and due to the nature of the product, every step must be quality ensured, often very rigorously. This knowledge is of course documented, but as with every complex system, it takes time to read the documentation and fully understand it. But what is worse, there are some things that cannot be documented; there are some nuances that cannot be written on paper. Those things are learned only by experience. And this applies to the entire supply chain, which Airbus has lass control over. As sad as it is [that Airbus did not wipe out Boeing], I understand that they chose to play safe and not cut corners as the American colleagues did.
@manuelnitschinger98032 жыл бұрын
Airbus couldn't turn the MAX disaster into a big expansion of their own production as simply this isn't possible within this short period of time. But if it would have been the other way around, Boeing wouldn't have been able to do so...
@claudiojunior99623 жыл бұрын
The 737 MAX spent almost 2 years being revised after the crashes, with engineers looking for every detail that could led to a problem and fixing it. It probably is the safest airplane to fly right now.
@thomaskettunen36993 жыл бұрын
I mean they have 8 years of backlog, A320s are in such a high demand that Airbus does need to sell hundreds of them to boeing customers with huge bulk discounts. They charge top rate for a top product (compared to max). They simply could not sell more, hardly a loss for Airbus...
@davidcole3333 жыл бұрын
So, the 737 has been around since the 60s. When the A320 has been around 60 years, then talk smack.
@charlesharper23573 жыл бұрын
@@davidcole333 Having the oldest plane is nothing to brag about. Using an obsolete airframe was what caused the crashes...and the ensuing economic disaster.
@thomaskettunen36993 жыл бұрын
@@davidcole333 You are acting like an obsolete airframe and wing design is a good thing. The biggest reason the A320 is better is because it is designed in the 80s while 737 is a 50s design. That 30 year gap is very large. The 737NG should have been the end of it...
@kencarp573 жыл бұрын
Boeing: “The MAX is cleared to FLY again!” Airlines: “We have no customers and we’re losing our PANTS.”
@adb0123 жыл бұрын
That's why the MAX is more important than ever. If you have a 373-800 and a 737-MAX-8 that is 15% more fuel-efficient, and you have PAX to fill only one of them. which one would you rather fill?
@mv-db44633 жыл бұрын
And again the "mouth breathers" are showing their ignorance. The US broke the ONE MILLION passengers yesterday (Friday 11/20/2020) and the last 30 day passenger Traffic is 800,000 per DAY. So your dopy uninformed comments ring UN-true as most "jingoistic" moo-moo's just keep repeating garbage and not caring about the facts. Check out the TSA passenger throughput website link: www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput
@charlesharper23573 жыл бұрын
@@adb012 And what happens when people refuse to get on the MAX? I will never fly on one just out of general principle...Boeing needs to be punished for putting profits before safety.
@barackobama36983 жыл бұрын
And you think other passengers will follow your suit in not flying on the MAX? We’re talking about Americans here, your average passenger can’t tell the difference between an Airbus and a Boeing aircraft. They’ll think the 737 max is a normal 737 and get on anyways. I highly doubt the 737 MAX will cause less passengers, even if it does it’ll blow over eventually and airlines will be making some nice profit as there able to buy these max aircrafts for cheap while getting a efficient, modern aircraft. I’m not supporting Boeing in any way and I hope this whole fiasco taught them a lesson, but I don’t think passenger activity on a 737 max will alter much.
@charlesharper23573 жыл бұрын
@@barackobama3698 We'll see...I realize there are lots of idjits in America...Trump is proof of that...but hopefully enough people boycott them to make a difference.
@michaelshore23003 жыл бұрын
NOT French European. Wings Britain, Tail Spain / Holland, Body /Assembly Germany, Improper payment ?? Lockheed model.
@CustardInc3 жыл бұрын
So many falsehoods in this video. The only true part is the size of the order book at Airbus and the fact that there was corruption You discarded the pandemic Acknowledged the A320neo engine issues but still blamed them on airbus Said Airbus missed their target by a wide margin - they had a target of 800, they delivered 800. Once Pratt and Whitney fixed their engines, the planes, which had been manufactued at the planned rate, were good for delivery. Quoted a non-existent IAG MAX order (it was never firmed and expired after a year) Add on top of that non-factual issues, like Southwest saying they'd consider going elsewhere. Of course they'd threaten to go elsewhere, they always do. Same with Ryanair. They say they'll leave Boeing to get better prices. There have been more reports recently of SW ordering the A220, it never ends. Airbus were never going to get an order out of them. Include that Airbus don't want to advertise off the back of the deaths of hundreds of people. You didn't include the US government implementing a billions of dollars of tariffs on Airbus products. You can call it a series of missteps, but anyone remotely familiar with the A320neo family could've seen the backlog and said there's not much Airbus can do. Basically none of this is to do with stuff Airbus did in 2019-2020 - it's either external factors (pandemic, tariffs, etc), Airbus' actions from before the MAX grounding (corruption), or the fact that Airbus can't deliver 1000 A320s a year(???)
@madoudia3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@sunspot423 жыл бұрын
Actually I’m not sure Southwest is bluffing anymore. I think they looked at the Dreamliner and Trent 1000 issues, looked at what happened with the Max and realized what an enormous risk running your entire airline on one model of plane is, and that they’ve been lucky they’ve never been burned before. The 737 is an obsolete dinosaur absolutely at the end of its run. The Max will be the last model, after which Boeing will be forced to developed a whole new airframe for the segment to compete with the Airbus 320 family. If I were Southwest, I’d be seriously reconsidering whether I want to be chained to a soon to be obsolete family of planes for the next decade, or just bite the bullet and begin to migrate to a modern platform - the 320 series - that likely still has two or three decades of improvements to come. Plus it would get them away from having all of their eggs in Boeing’s basket. Yes, there would be costs to operate two separate airframes, but they’ll be facing that anyhow in a decade or so as the 737 family comes to an end. More fuel efficient 320 series planes are almost certainly in the pipeline tho, and those could ultimately offset the cost of running two separate families of aircraft in the fleet.
@theedorknyt66533 жыл бұрын
@@sunspot42 I mean your missing a few things. Southwest doesn't do long haul. So dreamliner issues aren't going to concern it. Now let's also look at the statement that the 737 is at the end of it's run. You are right, it is. But then developing a new one. Especially if they did something like a carbon fiber body new small airplane. That would leave the 320 without any way to compete. It wouldn't even get decades of improvements. They would be forced to do something similar, and then current A320 customers might cancel orders.
@sunspot423 жыл бұрын
@@theedorknyt6653 The Dreamliner issues absolutely concern Southwest. They illustrate the dangers of being over reliant on a single manufacturer, as do the 737 Max issues. They dodged the Dreamliner bullet only because they don’t fly big jets. What if similar engine issues plague the new engines in the 737 Max next? They’d be royally and truly screwed.
@sunspot423 жыл бұрын
@@theedorknyt6653 There is no clean sheet replacement for the 737 coming for at least a decade, probably longer. The 320 series already offers superior performance to the 737 and it’s nowhere near the end of its lifetime as an airframe - numerous improvements could still be made, including mounting even larger fuel efficient engines. If Southwest sticks with Boeing only, they could find themselves literally decades behind their rivals - in particular JetBlue - when it comes to fuel efficiency while they wait for some 737 replacement to come from Boeing. And frankly given Boeing’s recent track record, I’m not too hopeful any new design from them will launch anywhere near on time and without major problems. If they move to the 320 family now, they’ll eliminate their dangerous reliance on Boeing, get better planes for at least the next two decades with superior fuel efficiency and lower operating costs, and also probably secure a sweet deal from Airbus for defecting.
@u2santi3 жыл бұрын
What about the A220 program eating into it? I like your videos but this one is click bait.
@thomaskettunen36993 жыл бұрын
Yeah the A220 is affecting the A319NEO orders.
@Racko.3 жыл бұрын
How is it clickbait? He pretty much explained the A220 part, which is doing more damage to Airbus and Boeing's small 737-7Max and A319NEO than anything else
@u2santi3 жыл бұрын
It is because he’s selling the facts in a very sensationalist way. He talks about bribes and airlines not wanting to be associated with the manufacturer due to this but the A321 XLR is a resounding success for example, or the A220. Why doesn’t the scandal affect those models then? Then he mentions issues with the engines again, as if it was Airbus’ fault. The A320 family had a gigantic backlog and it’s true that Airbus can’t make enough of them and that’s the main issue, carriers can’t wait 8 years, even if they wanted to.
@Racko.3 жыл бұрын
@@u2santi The entire take away from the video is airbus was unable to capitalize on the Boring fiasco is because they also had too many hurdles to deal with before they can do anything next, then COVID came. And he did talk about the engine issues, he even said it’s not their fault but it clearly impacted delays to their jets, the A320NEO production line is sold out, and airlines on the Max can’t simply jump ship to airbus because it’s entire said than done, it’s why they waited instead. If they jump ship to airbus it’ll be deadly costly and will take much longer considering the decade backlog. Airbus is aware of this just like airlines.
@u2santi3 жыл бұрын
@@Racko. of course, but there’s ways of saying putting things, and the way he created the narrative is sensationalistic and makes it sound like Airbus was useless.
@gustavoalbano85933 жыл бұрын
I think you're missing a big reason why most of the exclusive boeing airlines won't switch to airbus: crew Training, maintenance, spare parts, pilot typeratings. And also orders for new models are placed years before actual production begins.
@vhaakmat3 жыл бұрын
It's not that simple. changing of airplanes means expensive and lengthy retraining of its pilots and maintenance crew. Alleged improper payments are a totally different issue. I have more faith in Airbus than Boeing at the moment
@Kilosim3 жыл бұрын
ye
@johnnyboythepilot40983 жыл бұрын
Ditto
@pinheirokde3 жыл бұрын
This is completely silly, Airbus production capability was already absolutely maxed out. What were they going to sell? plains to be delivered in 15 years?
@Sanginius233 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that in 2020 Boeing lost net 783 orders for the max while Airbus got +257 new ordes for the A-320 Family, some of long time Boeing clients like American
@mylanmiller96563 жыл бұрын
Airbus Has a problem with sweetening the deal to a point were they make little profit on an Aircraft to get a deal signed!
@ljacobs3573 жыл бұрын
Airbus didn't squander anything. They couldn't meet demand and did not want to stick it to Boeing which would come back to haunt them. Unlike Boeing, perhaps they cared more about quality over quantity.
@hddhdhxhxb17933 жыл бұрын
Bit of a disappointing video and you sound a bit like a Boeing fanboy tbh. Changing ac type is not something an airline decides overnight, those are made on a strategic level with long horizons. A grounding does not (and should not) impact their decisions on a large scale. And airbus’ order book was already filled for the coming years anyway at the start of the max grounding.
@Blank003 жыл бұрын
He's not biased. A few months ago, he made a video on why Boeing is to blame for the MAX crashes that caused the grounding.
@ericmadison46533 жыл бұрын
There two factors that are keeping me from flying 1. The pandemic 2. Don't really trust the max just yet
@kencarp573 жыл бұрын
I’ll fly anywhere, on any plane! As long as I don’t to leave the house...
@robinmorgenstern99273 жыл бұрын
IAG never actually placed an order for the MAX. All they did was sign a letter of intend.
@theepicfailgamer63173 жыл бұрын
keep believing dat kid !
@mbenidze3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Interesting to see if that order ever materializes. It was a really strange move by IAG given that BA, Iberia, Vueling, Air Lingus all have A320 families. Seems like an unreasonable cost for training and maintenance capacity.
@sime9183 жыл бұрын
WW was staging a show to see who would bite the dust.
@tedjohnson93293 жыл бұрын
The kiss of death is a letter of intent.
@jamesnicholls99693 жыл бұрын
thats right they only signed an intent to buy B737 planes no mention of the max. also Walsh is a Boeing 737 pilot so of course he will buy boeing
@dondepicaelpeje3 жыл бұрын
I was hesitant to fly in a Max till yesterday. When I hear the FAA director talking like a salesman about the 737 Max. Now I definitely wont put a foot on a Max until it flies a couples of years accident free.
@monibstar3 жыл бұрын
After pandemic yes would like to fly on the max :D to check it out...
@joeboygo3 жыл бұрын
Airbus simply had no capacity to produce more. It literally sold out of all the slots that any Boeing customers wanted.
@osasunaitor3 жыл бұрын
I'm new to this channel and so far I liked your latest videos, but this one has me disappointed... I mean, you (literally) used the words *"Failure. AIRBUS"* in the video thumbnail so I clicked expecting a big revelation, just to find out that you explain how it wasn't even Airbus's fault for the most part. This kind of clickbait-y content is not what I expected from this channel.
@CriticalRider3 жыл бұрын
You make it seem like it's easy for airlines to switch between Boeing and Airbus airplanes in less than a year... I'm pretty disappointed with this video of yours.
@theepicfailgamer63173 жыл бұрын
double standard Airbus trashes
@MrMofriz3 жыл бұрын
Airbus is not a french company. Its European my dear :)
@mann25203 жыл бұрын
Based in France
@MrMofriz3 жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus
@MrMofriz3 жыл бұрын
Based in many europeans countries.
@MrMofriz3 жыл бұрын
Final assembly in toulous fr hamburg de
@MrMofriz3 жыл бұрын
+ usa, canada and china.
@ederss73 жыл бұрын
Mentour Pilot has a very good video explaining why Max's orders have not been cancelled, and it has nothing to do with Airbus's actions.
@awakening72513 жыл бұрын
I figure, that with all the scrutiny, the Max is probably the worlds safest aircraft.
@kleeblattchen382 жыл бұрын
Not really... But as safe as any other aircraft currently...
@alexs31873 жыл бұрын
There are many reasons why not. 1. Production Capacity 2. You have to play nice when you are in a duopoly. You scratch each other’s backs and prevent more competition. A short term gain (that you can’t fulfill) is not worth a long term loss. 3. You need the competitor to keep all your suppliers and potential suppliers in business. You don’t want your suppliers to become a monopoly. But you also need the entire industry to thrive. 4. It’s bad business, and it’s transparent.
@kevinh39792 жыл бұрын
A year late, but I've flown on several 737 MAXs and these are very nice planes for sure.
@jenshedelund96173 жыл бұрын
The duopoly works because Boeing and AIRBUS respect each other’s territory. They will compete for new customers but will tend not to go to aggressively after longtime customers. Boeing kept producing 737 MAX and I think most expected the plane to get back in the skies after a fix of some type. Boeing must have been convicted about that. All these planes would eventually enter the market. AIRBUS would have started a price war if they had attempted to fill the void. That would only have reduced profit margins and created a huge uncertainty in the market. The 737 Max scandal will benefit AIRBUS in a organic way, Airlines like SOUTH WEST are already considering if it would be beneficial having a more diversified fleet. The reputation of Boeing has suffered tremendously and will force them to sell planes with a smaller profit margin. British Airways was smart taking advantage of a situation where Boeing was forced to offer huge discounts. Market share is hugely overrated. The trick is to increase profit margins. All international companies have to deal with bribes. The trick is not to get caught. No airline executive is worried about that type of scandals and they have most likely been exposed to it in some form.
@chefchaudard35803 жыл бұрын
I would add that Boeing is offering a cheaper option with the 737, while the A320 is more advanced. Both companies are making money, a win win situation. For Airbus, catching Boeing market will force them to design a brand new aircraft. Boeing will spend billions, and Airbus will have to face a new competitor, more advanced, threatening their bestseller. Status quo is more profitable for both parts.
@mannim71433 жыл бұрын
You forgot another point, and that is regulatory pressure. Airbus being based in the EU it is subjective to EU anti trust oversight, which is already less than happy with the factual duopoly for mid to large sized aircraft. Airbus taking over the most voluminous sector for new planes would have increased that pressure as well. And the example Siemens/Alstom merger that was stopped by the EU commission shows that they are happy to regulate even against what would be perceived to be a domestic champion. That and all the other points mentioned, Airbus did not fail in any ways, they did the right thing for themselves and the industry.
@northwestthrills34533 жыл бұрын
I feel this video shied some light on Airbus's scandal's.
@hectory793 жыл бұрын
It did, while ignoring Boeing's at the same time.
@northwestthrills34533 жыл бұрын
@@hectory79 people already know about Boeings scandal's, making people believe airbus has none
@kenmore013 жыл бұрын
In all fairness, Coby was talking about orders not coming in which could happen immediately, not ramping up production quickly. Of course that would take years.
@lukegriffiths65693 жыл бұрын
Lol, this guy hasn't got a clue what he's making a video about 🤣🤣🤣
@adoatero51293 жыл бұрын
True. There was no "fail". This and many other presentations on this channel are pretty bad. The problem is that Coby mostly doesn't really know what he is talking about. He's a good at talking and hosting a show, though, so if you don't know how businesses in general and this industry in particular work, you may fall for it. I recommend for example the following sites for accurate aviation news and insights: leehamnews.com/ theaircurrent.com/ aviationweek.com/ www.aerotime.aero/ At Leeham News even most reader comments are more knowledgeable than the content on this channel. The channel would be better, if Coby would stick to news reporting. To do any meaningful analysis, you have to know and understand the subject really well. Even if you copy the analysis from other sites, you copy it wrong, if you don't understand what you are reading (unless you copy it word for word, of course).
@LeemWills3 жыл бұрын
He really don't , he just making it up as he talks . He must if forget we had a pandemic
@johntefan3 жыл бұрын
@@LeemWills for real haha
@stephanembaye3 жыл бұрын
From Airbus colleagues, one of their parameters was to not let the MAX gap filled by a newcomer and especially a Chinese one. Airbus would have even prepared a plan to help Boeing to keep alive the orders unfulfilled in Europe. Better to keep a well known competitor than to let enter another one
@olympicnut3 жыл бұрын
I fly mostly with Southwest and have no problem if the 737 I get on is a MAX.
@martynbush3 жыл бұрын
Airbus is not a French airplane maker. It's a joint European company with final assembly done in France.
@brian51543 жыл бұрын
Well reasoned, interesting and thought provoking. However, my bet is Airbus will pull ahead of Boeing slowely but surely. It has the perfect line up of products which Boeing has not. And Boeing still seems to be screwing itself (Embraer). The company appears to have very serious ethical problems. My bet is that more haste means less speed. AND, probably Willie Walsh and O'Leary got knock down prices which may well negatively affect Boeing in the long term. Lack of profit means lack of investment. Never forget that fleet commonality (Southwest) must play an important part in which aircraft is ordered. Airbus also has certain congenital problems in that the constituent bits of each aircraft come from all over the place, including the US, which also manufactures whole Airbus aircraft. AND Airbus still has to convert A380 production to A320 production. So, too early to ascertain things. And keep a careful watch on how people respond when told that they are flying on the MAX. Don't forget, not all the problems with the Max have been resolved. It is an inherently unsafe aircraft given the location of it's new larger engines. People may or may not know this. Let's wait and see. It could be that Boeing will struggle to exist in it's current format and without augmented state support. I'd put my money on Airbus winning big in the long term. Especially with the A321xlr; this aircraft should revolutionise air travel. Boeing recent mutterings about a new aircraft have a hint of desparation about them. Brian Oosterbeek Netherlands
@firstlast-xn6ul3 жыл бұрын
It is not an inherently unsafe aircraft, but rather inherently unstable. Once computers were able to make decisions about controls faster than a pilot, designers started to rely on a software layer of interpretation rather than just relying on the pilot's inputs. If they make the control system more fault tolerant to the AOA sensor, educate the pilots, etc., As well as fixing other faults while they are there, it will be a good plane. That said, it seems like Boeing's software design philosophy and validation procedures are pretty effed up, as seen with 737MAX, CST100 starliner, etc.
@dattaxpony9203 жыл бұрын
@@firstlast-xn6ul Boeing needs to find better computer geeks true. But Boeing has a new CEO that looks like he's thinking more long-term. After the MAX mishegas I can see Boeing trying to stop rushing to market and start listening to the engineers again. At least one can hope.
@rickblumenberg41833 жыл бұрын
When will people stop referring to Airbus as a French company. It is a EUROPEAN joint venture - admittedly with headquarters in Toulouse/France!
@doggo643 жыл бұрын
March 2019 - 737 MAX crash March 2020 - Aviation industry crash March 2022 - ............ Let's prey for best ( 777x will be released ) March 2030 - Aviation dies Hyperloop takes over
@thetransponder71863 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. That hyperloop isn't going to take over anything at all
@VGF803 жыл бұрын
Hyperloop has too many hurdles. Some so hard it just isn't viable.
@carlosandleon3 жыл бұрын
Hyperloop is not gonna take off in another 50 years
@Kilosim3 жыл бұрын
lol
@Dexter037S43 жыл бұрын
@@carlosandleon *ever It's a scam.
@FernandoNuno1003 жыл бұрын
And another thing you probably don’t know. Airbus never wanted to capitalize the 737 max failure. Southwest said from the beginning that they will wait for the Max
@aviationchannel62043 жыл бұрын
I'd like to fly on the MAX some time.
@scootertrash9113 жыл бұрын
Airbus has a ten year backlog of orders, they probably wish Boeing well,
@Lee247Jamaica3 жыл бұрын
The 737 max was ungrounded 2 days ago American Airlines is gonna start back service with it
@maxedww3 жыл бұрын
"Airbus had to halt all deliveries of Pratt and Whitney Neos". Disappointing exec level corruption aside this is the kind of safety conscious culture you want to see at an aero manufacturer.
@samsmithmx76073 жыл бұрын
No I won't fly on a 737 MAX ever. I won't trade my life for a flight.
@davidcole3333 жыл бұрын
Just limit your flights to airframe types that have never had an accident.
@charlesharper23573 жыл бұрын
@@davidcole333 Just limit your flights to planes that aren't absolute abortions meant to maximize profits over safety.
@BlackKnight3443 жыл бұрын
Same here biggest heap of buggy crap to come out of Seattle since Windows 10. The 737 was a great family...but there are just to may bad choices in the design /or production issues for me to risk my life on one.. I am happy to pay more to fly an all Airbus airline which I thankfully have the option of .
@charlesharper23573 жыл бұрын
@@BlackKnight344 Sooner or later you've got to stop recycling old crap and start from scratch again. The 737 just doesn't have the ground clearance for the new engines.
@ressljs3 жыл бұрын
I figure the Max will probably be fine after it underwent such a grueling recertification process. That said, I'll probably still avoid booking flights on them for a little while. For as much as I fly, I'm surprisingly jittery about it. If I flew on the Max day 1 of it's return, every bump of turbulence would have me freaking out. Is that irrational? Probably. But when your in a situation where you have zero control (like sitting in a flimsy metal tube 30,000 feet in the air), sometimes it's hard to be rational.
@erojerisiz15712 жыл бұрын
This is like the DC10 vs L1011 case all over again
@geincon3 жыл бұрын
Airbus can profit from the MAX Desaster also in the next years due to a decrease of trust into Boing...
@theepicfailgamer63173 жыл бұрын
typical trash talking Airbus fan bois
@mikeblatzheim27973 жыл бұрын
@@theepicfailgamer6317 Only one "fan boi" here, and I'll give you a hint: It's you.
@abba36293 жыл бұрын
First Learn the spelling of "Boeing".
@markodom38413 жыл бұрын
Finally, somebody courageous enough to talk about Airbus’ problems and not just Boeing’s. Thanks for the info we don’t hear anywhere else.
@MARBLEHEAD073 жыл бұрын
Me: what's in my sandwich today? Mum: turkish airlines Me: NANI! Mum: 3:05
@ashtronite8953 жыл бұрын
I don't really get it, sorry
@MARBLEHEAD073 жыл бұрын
@@ashtronite895 don't mind, just me trying to be funny.
@kencarp573 жыл бұрын
A Turkish sandwich on United bread!
@thegreenguy55553 жыл бұрын
I actually like that they didn’t capitalize on the max. More competition good! Glad to see the max return to the skies
@marcusholmes79423 жыл бұрын
I liked your videos up until this one. Hurt your credibility
@opus4rv3 жыл бұрын
Airbus capitalising on the Max fiasco would not have been good for the entire aviation industry. Safety isn't an issue where you try to one up your competitor. The entire industry would be thrown into a tailspin if passengers and investors felt that safety was becoming a problem with newer planes. Airbus did the right thing in being quiet during the Max issue.
@e6o3 жыл бұрын
By a considerable distance, your least accurate video.
@devikakarmakar993 жыл бұрын
Air bus 320 is a very good aircraft compared to the max 737 which has major technical issues and unsafe to fly though FAA has cleared it.
@BayAreaTraveler3 жыл бұрын
This is the reason why I trust Leeham News and Jon Ostrower for my aviation analysis rather than this channel. If I'm not mistaken even Airbus mentioned openly that it was not their best interest to take advantage of the situation.
@cobyexplanes3 жыл бұрын
Cool
@YYZatcboy3 жыл бұрын
You missed the mark on this. Airbus CHOSE to not aggressively market the A320 NEO. They didn't have the production capacity, among other reasons.
@markosemene3763 жыл бұрын
I think Airbus was doing business with a humane face not rushing to capitalize on your competitors failing. Lives are involved here.
@theepicfailgamer63173 жыл бұрын
typical double standard Airbus fan braindeads
@gasviation90772 жыл бұрын
@@theepicfailgamer6317 typical monopoly bastards
@marneus3 жыл бұрын
Airbus is NOT French. Its European. It's owned by several EUROPEAN companies, it is a Societas Europaeas company and the planes are assembled in several countries.
@tsh_teo3 жыл бұрын
LOOOL I like the 737 MAX but I will wait a bit to fly on it
@mylanmiller96563 жыл бұрын
I would have no problem Flying the MAX, I wouldn't Fly a bush league Air line with a pilot that got his wings yesterday! Give a bad aircraft to a inexperienced Pilot and you will have trouble.
@Kilosim3 жыл бұрын
ya same
@jonathanquielm33093 жыл бұрын
I learn new vocabulary thanks to your videos. You use such formal language that is a pleasure to watch.
@mikestone91293 жыл бұрын
No way I would fly on the Max when it returns to service. At least not for a couple years.
@massimechoub33433 жыл бұрын
Agree, this plane is inherently flawed...his image is completely ruined sadly
@iangill89843 жыл бұрын
I have not watched video or read the posts but here my thoughts before doing either. Airlines do tend to be A320 or 737 orientated. In my neck of the woods, Ryanair fly Boeing, Easyjet fly A320 family. Neither are likely to change because of the cost of re training pilots and maintenance staff along with increased inventory costs for spares etc. As it stands Airbus now has a 60% market share for firm orders in that segment according to pdxlight.com. The key thing point is whether Airbus can build enough to cope with any more demand. The pandemic has slowed things down across the world.
@girikchokhani24493 жыл бұрын
Also, what did the A320neo say to the 737 MAX? I MAXed you out of the market!
@girikchokhani24493 жыл бұрын
Great Joke!
@rabarbosa627543 жыл бұрын
I look forward to flying on the 737 Max. 👍🏼
@campillo3 жыл бұрын
Everyone has its own opinion, but for sure we don't share the same one.
@CuriosityVaultChannel2 жыл бұрын
Found your channel today, been bingeing it :p
@harlandanderson45863 жыл бұрын
Coby you missed this one. You need more experience in the industry to understand it.
@Onyx883 жыл бұрын
It was primarily a software issue, I'd fly on the max today
@johnhenry67623 жыл бұрын
@Chad Wong I did mine. And I'm ready to board the improved Boeing 737Max!
@vieuxbal12533 жыл бұрын
As always Coby, great video. I'm one of your greatest fans. With all due respect Airbus is not a "French jet maker", as you mentioned it at 1:54, but a European multinational aircfrat-manufacturing consortium. You made the correction at 6:50 when you say the "European jet maker". It's just a matter of being consistent. I'm sure it's a mistake.
@Fonua5103 жыл бұрын
a320: quality Max: quantity
@davidcole3333 жыл бұрын
based on what?
@audewilkin56593 жыл бұрын
@@davidcole333 based on the MCAS
@redheadedprincess1003 жыл бұрын
I flew when “all Boeing” was a marketing pitch for United
@gradynace75573 жыл бұрын
I love the Max. I would fly on it.
@workonesabs3 жыл бұрын
Airbus doesn't want to steal away custom. Ideally they only want 50% share and if they find themselves a leader, they find that their costs increase as their models that they researched and invested in get too far ahead of Boeing, and leaves them having to retire models even before their full profit potential fulfilled.
@laracroft9383 жыл бұрын
DId you just call airbus French?
@hectory793 жыл бұрын
Seems willfully ignorant.
@bryan155053 жыл бұрын
Your awesome! I Got to have those notifications on for your videos!
@galacticgecko11443 жыл бұрын
Ok, I'll let you explain.
@deepmala22153 жыл бұрын
Same
@uriblaketheriddimprotege3 жыл бұрын
You cant just build facilities and have them up and running and churning out planes in the space of 18 months just to undercut your competition. MAX being grounded doesnt mean that airlines would have immediately abandoned all interest in the MAX alltogether. Those who cancelled max were a mixture of the crashes and the pandemic
@TiberiusCat3 жыл бұрын
If the time comes when I can fly on a Max, I'll be fine with it. By this time, it must be the most carefully examined for safety of any modern commercial aircraft.
@Stacie453 жыл бұрын
From what I read at the time it didn't seem like Airbus leadership wanted to take over this segment of the market. They seemed comfortable with the status quo, the comfortable duopoly where Boeing and Airbus split up the global market roughly 50-50. There was plenty of work to go around, plenty of money to go around, they actually seemed to want Boeing to get back in the game sooner rather than later and just keep things humming along as they had been.
@leedavis90853 жыл бұрын
You talk some crap based on such a US Boeing bias, get your facts right on capacity, ownership of airbus, etc
@marneus3 жыл бұрын
He doesn't even know that Airbus is not French.
@이주연-x4x3 жыл бұрын
Airbus needs to figure out a way to crank aircraft like sausages.
@user-yt1983 жыл бұрын
You are lying with numbers. Airbus delivered 626 units of A320 in 2018 (386 neo + 240ceo). Their target of 55/month was for the TOTAL of A320s, not only for neos. They reached the goal by 95%. In 2019, their target was 57 and they reached their goal by 94% with 642 units production. Most of the "explanations" in this video is BS. Buying aircraft is a *long term* investment. Airlines cannot cancel them easily, due to compensations and long term planning. When an airline orders substantial amount of aircraft, they ask them to be delivered divided in years. No airline wants 100 aircraft to be delivered tomorrow. So long delivery time is actually preferred by airlines too. Answering the original question: because they didn't fail! Just you will see the results in a few years.
@iamamazing3653 жыл бұрын
Boeing vs Airbus: *The worlds Greatest Duopoly* Samsung vs Apple: *sweats nervously*
@electricheartpony3 жыл бұрын
Since it was cleared to fly, I'm sure it's fine now. ^.^
@kencarp573 жыл бұрын
🥺
@Default783343 жыл бұрын
Since both manufacturers have pretty hefty backlogs, the airlines figured that Boeing would probably have things figured out before it was time to take delivery of their orders. The alternative would be to go to the back of Airbus' line and wait even longer for the planes you need.