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Why all Christians must go to Church - KingdomCraft

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Redeemed Zoomer

Redeemed Zoomer

Күн бұрын

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@whatthe712
@whatthe712 Жыл бұрын
fear not! you do have female viewers! i’m not actually religious, i’m an ethnic jew, but these videos make me 111000% want to make me try to become christian. your devotion and passion for educating us on all these topics is really admirable, and i love your videos! thank you for being so informative and standing up for what you believe!
@walterusalbus
@walterusalbus Жыл бұрын
you should try to read the bible
@finempra8730
@finempra8730 Жыл бұрын
What’s stopping you from going to Christianity? You should at least check out the gospels, it’s not that much pages (about 100 or so), and even if you don’t convert, you can get some insight into Jesus and Christianity.
@Apathetic2624
@Apathetic2624 Жыл бұрын
@@finempra8730she said she was an ethnic Jew. There is a difference between being a religious Jew and an ethnic Jew.
@Lucas_70
@Lucas_70 Жыл бұрын
You don't have to be Religiously Jewish just because you are ethnically Jewish
@CaptainFritz28
@CaptainFritz28 Жыл бұрын
I hope you find the truth! If you want to find more out about Christianity, I suggest you read the New Testament, if you haven't already. Also, if you have any questions, I would be glad to answer them for you!
@nycarearailfanproductions
@nycarearailfanproductions Жыл бұрын
I am a Christian and my parents will only send me to churches that don’t believe in the essentials of Christianity, so I don’t know what to do. You are incredibly helpful when it comes to this kind of topic so keep up the good work
@clouds-rb9xt
@clouds-rb9xt Жыл бұрын
How old are you? What church?
@MaxSoulier-zk8jn
@MaxSoulier-zk8jn Жыл бұрын
Tell them that you want to go to the other church
@FernandoMartinez-cc6yq
@FernandoMartinez-cc6yq Жыл бұрын
Obey and honor your mother and father when you turn 18 choose a real church
@clouds-rb9xt
@clouds-rb9xt Жыл бұрын
@@FernandoMartinez-cc6yq Does God want someone to be subjected to heresy, though? I agree, honor your parents, but what in cases like these?
@georgegreen711
@georgegreen711 Жыл бұрын
If you are driving age and have access to a car, try to find a House of Prayer or Assemblies of God, or if you’re interested in something more mainline, you can look for an Evangelical Presbyterian Church. While you can and must honor your parents, and shine the light of Jesus in the apostate places, it is also good to find a place with sound doctrine to call your own. In the meantime, dive deep into the Word of God, pray without ceasing expecting to hear God respond, and to talk with Him and learn from Him. These light afflictions work an eternal weight of glory. God bless you and yours, George.
@princewillmadugba
@princewillmadugba Жыл бұрын
I love your videos man, God bless you, I'm pentecostal, nigerian believer, seeing your video on the different denominations really opened my eyes to see that my denomination wasn't the only way people worship Jesus which has been fascinating, I pray your goal to retake the PCUSA for Jesus will be accomplished.
@helsinkianon
@helsinkianon Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I'm a Lutheran who hasn't been to church since my confirmation more than five years ago, but who has felt the Holy Spirit pulling him back towards the Church. I will attend mass in my local parish on Sunday.
@MrSlyguy26
@MrSlyguy26 Жыл бұрын
Awesome !
@waterdrinkerrr
@waterdrinkerrr Жыл бұрын
See if you can find an LCMS congregation bc they actually believe the Bible and Lutheran Confessions. Edit: I say this as a Baptist
@sophiaeq
@sophiaeq Жыл бұрын
@@waterdrinkerrr I agree as someone who is LCMS
@sonofliberty8872
@sonofliberty8872 Жыл бұрын
@@sophiaeq Were you in Houston last summer?
@sophiaeq
@sophiaeq Жыл бұрын
@@sonofliberty8872 no
@joephill2737
@joephill2737 Жыл бұрын
I usually use my anxiety and awkwardness as an excuse not to go to church but this video helped open my eyes and gave me the push I needed, Thank you👍
@thisisEHAM
@thisisEHAM Жыл бұрын
I found you via algorithm, and have been watching all sorts of your vids. I applaud you for standing against false doctrine. And even if/when I dont agree with you 100% on things, you are doing a great thing with this channel. God bless you, and keep it up man.
@Akrafena
@Akrafena Жыл бұрын
I have a question, i have plans on converting an old church, problem is that it is episcopalian, which means that it could be thwarted
@DragonZenith
@DragonZenith Жыл бұрын
The truth is I know I should. I just really struggle to connect with a lot of religious people. I always end up feeling isolated, even in the church where I was raised, wishing for a deeper sense of fellowship that I'm just never able to break through into creating. Worse still, this church's non-denominational theology was so absurdly vague that I'm not even sure where to start in looking for a new one. Your videos have actually been the biggest help I've had so far in contextualizing the theological environment that I grew up in, and at least giving me a starting point for what can still seem at times to be the biggest homework assignment in all of human history.
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! If you don't want vague theology, look for a historic Presbyterian, Lutheran, or Anglican Church! The link to find them is in the description
@SebazzNL
@SebazzNL Жыл бұрын
As someone who did not go to church regularly for a decade because I thought my personal relationship with Jesus was enough, this video and your other videos helped me realize that I definitely do need church. Recently, I found a great Dutch Reformed church in my city with sound Biblical teaching and an awesome community. My faith is as strong as it's ever been and growing stronger by the day.Thanks for all your great work Redeemed Zoomer, God bless you and your channel!
@Katarina1trickXD
@Katarina1trickXD Жыл бұрын
I was brought up Christian by my parents then I strayed away from it in my teens but now I'm older like 20s I have come back to Christianity as it feels like belonging and faith. Thanks for ur informative Christian videos. I have learned so much compared to my old Christian school lol.
@MaxSoulier-zk8jn
@MaxSoulier-zk8jn Жыл бұрын
Man love how you respond to all the questions and actually interact with your community
@BestBuddyNoivern
@BestBuddyNoivern Жыл бұрын
Glad you brought up how lonely this generation is without church! I honestly believe that only God can save this generation.
@DavidNwokoye
@DavidNwokoye Жыл бұрын
8:07 that was a crazy save 👌
@realDonaldMcElvy
@realDonaldMcElvy Жыл бұрын
Go to church, preferably my church.
@januaryfebuarymarch
@januaryfebuarymarch Жыл бұрын
as a catholic, i agree
@Baraodojaguary
@Baraodojaguary Жыл бұрын
I m saying this to my best friend but she wants to go to a diferent church but she doenst tell me why
@VU57
@VU57 Жыл бұрын
@@Baraodojaguary I do think a reason why would be good but remember to respect her. Even if you don’t agree with her
@jb885
@jb885 Жыл бұрын
Not preferably you have to go to the orthodox church only true church
@pedroguimaraes6094
@pedroguimaraes6094 Жыл бұрын
​@@jb885 You guys are so annoying. Even worse than Catholics. 😂😂😂
@creepertem8143
@creepertem8143 Жыл бұрын
Bro took Christian Minecraft server to a whole new level.
@DeathxStrike18
@DeathxStrike18 Жыл бұрын
I left the church not because I wanted to, but because of things I saw in the churches that upset the spirit within me. I have been to a few different denominations but could not stay because of things that were unbiblical. For example I cannot be a Catholic because of idols and the bowing to idols and the blasphemous depictions of Jesus, I left churches because of the initiation of female deacons, I left a Baptists church because of a starbucks in the lobby of the church and the Holy Spirit putting forth the passage of sculpture of Jesus nocking over the tables of money changers when I saw it. Some may see this as nitpicking, but the Holy Spirit is the one pointing out the issues. Im praying for Jesus to lead me to a church that is following the will of the father and not teaching or practicing heresy. I understand the body is made up of imperfect people, but if Christ is the head of the church then I believe he has the power to insure a body of believers is upholding his will that can be a light in darkness and ward against false teachings. Its really Hard being that im in one of the most spiritually corrupted places California and is a place that needs Gods light, but too many Christians are forsaking California and NY to move to more republican places rather than fight for the faith.
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
You can attend church online, pray to Holy Spirit to lead you to the perfect church
@Rookeditz
@Rookeditz Жыл бұрын
I recently went to church after not being at church for 9 months, and I really enjoyed it! I will continue! (Thanks for putting my church on your map-Sigulda Evangelical Lutheran Church!
@kevinfromsales9445
@kevinfromsales9445 5 ай бұрын
Great video its not just a problem in America but worldwide especially in the West where people claim to be Christian and believe in God but never ever go to Church.
@DrownedinDesigner
@DrownedinDesigner Жыл бұрын
God is present in a very distinct way inside churches.
@koyo3376
@koyo3376 Жыл бұрын
I don't agree with everything but the content is surely a blessing and pleasing to God. Keep it up!
@charleskean8122
@charleskean8122 Жыл бұрын
Man I haven’t really been to Church since before I joined the Navy, when I get out next spring I really aim to change that.
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
That's great if it makes you feel closer to God... but Jesus said we need to be born again in spirit to inherit the kingdom, he didn't say his church was the way to God. We are born again in spirit when we believe on the Holy Gospel that Jesus Christ died for our sins and defeated death, we make him our Lord and Savior
@CALL_MATE
@CALL_MATE Жыл бұрын
The issue is there are loads of corrupt churches (especially in England where im from). I pray everyone can find a good one
@invalidusername4732
@invalidusername4732 Жыл бұрын
It is so hard to find a church in my area that isn’t overrun with lesbian pastors and pride flags or any other political ideology for that matter
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
it may sound crazy, but going to liberal churches is important in order to spread the gospel there. Most "liberal" churches are actually important historical churches that were hijacked by liberals... and ones Christians need to take back
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
​@@redeemedzoomer6053 it does sound crazy, because you're merely a confused Christian trying to understand like the rest of us and you have no authority.. All you do is share your thoughts and opinions and your feelings, none of this is biblical this is just your crap opinions.. Jesus said he alone is the way to the Father, he never set his church was the way or the sacraments were the way, that came out of your idiot mouth and you have no authority😢
@kidflersh7807
@kidflersh7807 Жыл бұрын
The lutheran situation with reconquista is weird because the ELCA technically is a split from the LCMS+churches that were in smaller denoms.
@jakobi4971
@jakobi4971 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree, the LCMS is a historic Lutheran church so I don’t get why we’re reconquista-ing it
@kidflersh7807
@kidflersh7807 Жыл бұрын
@@jakobi4971 Because the ELCA is the larger, more "mainline" church.
@Sebman1113
@Sebman1113 Жыл бұрын
In the context of the ELCA being the most influential church denomination in the upper Midwest and northern plains, it makes sense to reconquesta it. I might also add that the ELCA also has a decent theologically conservative faction despite progressive Christianity being common within it.
@kidflersh7807
@kidflersh7807 Жыл бұрын
@@Sebman1113 Yeah, but it's gonna to need some different strategy than the PCUSA or the UMC or the Episcopal church or something. With those, you have the angle of "you weren't always like this", but the ELCA was literally CREATED to be like that.
@mojomccall282
@mojomccall282 Жыл бұрын
I really like your content. You explain a lot of the theology of a of the Christian denominations. As a Roman Catholic all 7 sacrements are nessesary. Baptism and Holy Communion are the most important though.
@MaxSoulier-zk8jn
@MaxSoulier-zk8jn Жыл бұрын
Same
@jb885
@jb885 Жыл бұрын
Convert to real catholic church orthodox church
@jb885
@jb885 Жыл бұрын
@@logicus.thomistica Why then didn't church fathers include it in original creed
@Halapainyo88
@Halapainyo88 Жыл бұрын
You're getting that water bucket technique down pretty well
@sawyerwhited6802
@sawyerwhited6802 4 ай бұрын
All the churches around me looked just like the world during the pandemic, they closed their doors making a non verbal statement that they consider themselves "non essential." They showed they were worldly by obeying man rather than God, they showed their fear of persecution & believed a "virus" was more powerful than God. They said zoom was ok but when it was "safe" to open their doors again, they used Heb. 10:25 & just bypass the elephant in the room. Please help me understand this, I do want to fellowship with other believers.
@davorinkuhar6932
@davorinkuhar6932 Жыл бұрын
Catholic here. Awesome videos. You are on point
@comradebanana129
@comradebanana129 Жыл бұрын
I’m Jewish but my great grandfather worked for the PCUSA. So this is interesting.
@canalkevinjordan
@canalkevinjordan Жыл бұрын
In Luke 17:21, Jesus says that the kingdom of God is within us. The moralist Tolstoy said, "Nowhere nor in anything, except in the assertion of the Church, can we find that God or Christ founded anything like what churchmen understand by the Church."
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
I believe Jesus merely spoke of his followers when he mentioned his church, fellow Christians make up the body of Christ.
@Sebman1113
@Sebman1113 Жыл бұрын
I myself have been raised in an ELCA church in Minnesota, not the most traditional building but very much a traditional worship style. My Church isn’t stage 5 progressive Christianity but it’s definitely on the progressive end of Christianity and I’m more conservative myself theologically (especially after this channel sparked my new interest in theology). I hope to go to a more historic church in the future but I’m very familiar with the ELCA denomination.
@jonathanmork27
@jonathanmork27 Жыл бұрын
Like he said if you wanna find a true theological church (that also have pretty nice buildings) check the map in the description.
@CooperTheGoosebumpsGuy
@CooperTheGoosebumpsGuy 7 ай бұрын
Amen❤❤😊🎉😊🎉
@knightedcolor
@knightedcolor Жыл бұрын
Thank you for linking the map of historic churches! Sadly, living in Utah, there are not a lot of Christian churches, particularly where I live. I do suppose I'll find one that works and reasonably near.
@nathanwood6707
@nathanwood6707 Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I am getting the impression your definition of "church" is institutional (a government with bylaws and an authoritative/administrative hierarchy) rather than communal. I get this impression because your discussion of church tends to be credal and denominational (i.e., "which church to go to"), and because you speak of the sacraments as something to be administered. I argue the sacraments do not require administration through a governmental/brick-and-mortar church; I am not aware of any Biblical ordinance to that effect. Communion is not described as being distributed by church authorities - all the Bible says is believers were partaking in it. Furthermore, the Passover meal, unlike the other sacrifices (all of which are an ἀνάμνησις according to Hebrews 10:3, I might add) is performed in the home without a priestly officiant, and communion is the full realization of what Passover represented; if Passover may be performed without a church authority, communion may be performed likewise. I'd be interested in seeing evidence of the contrary. Baptism is a little more challenging because of its association with Semikhah (Hebrew: סמיכה), which is the transmission of rabbinic authority, a correlation created through Jesus' baptism by John. But historically and practically, baptisms were performed by any number of believers with no greater credentials than their own baptisms - again, no church government required. So, if the sacraments don't require administration, what does the governmental church do that a group of believing people can't negotiate sufficiently for themselves? I don't disagree with the statement church is essential. I personally think church should be used like a verb (e.g.: geese flock, cows herd, Christians church.) But the description you are providing here is going to artificially restrict what constitutes a proper church without further elaboration, and that issue is a whole lot bigger and hairier than the otherwise uncontroversial assertion Christians should gather and partake in the sacraments. A lot of believers are not neglecting the gathering of the brethren while simultaneously distancing themselves from corrupt, bloated, or errant institutional churches, and I don't think it's just to adjure people to affiliate themselves with those organizations if they are part of a believing community and are practicing what Christ commanded.
@jakobi4971
@jakobi4971 Жыл бұрын
I get where you’re coming from. 5 things though. 1) for many of us, myself included, these historic “governmental” churches are essential. We love theology and history, and we worship Christ through the historic and beautiful liturgy of the Church. 2) “Governmental” churches are better able to organize seminaries, stave off heresy, and make sure your group believes rightly. 3) The office of “pastor” is a God-ordained office, see 1 Timothy 3 and other places I imagine. 4) I think there’s an argument to be made that Israel was a type of the Church. Israel was a organized state with judges and later monarchs. So you would expect the church to likewise be “governmental”. 5) The Church has organized itself in this way for a very long time, and I don’t see a great reason to stop doing so. It’s not condemned in the Old Testament. I certainly think the people who organized the church were smarter than you and I. Who are we to contradict them?
@EnlightenedTwo
@EnlightenedTwo Жыл бұрын
i agree, church attendance is a great outward signal of devout christianity, also vid suggestion from me is "can christians swear"
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
Can Christians swear? I don't really need a video to answer that, the answer is no. Not the end of the world if you do, but there's no good reason to and it doesn't glorify God
@EnlightenedTwo
@EnlightenedTwo Жыл бұрын
​@@redeemedzoomer6053 i would agree with that
@umrapazai7484
@umrapazai7484 Жыл бұрын
I had a buddy of mine swear for the first time in ages and he suddenly became the center of attention of the whole group (that was his objective, then he made his point). I think if your goal is to get attention to something else and don't use it to often in order not to get too desensitized to it, I think it's fine.
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
@@umrapazai7484 fair point - before I was Christian, my philosophy was to curse RARELY so it has a lot of shock value when I do. Now I know I'm really not SUPPOSED to curse, but when I occasionally do it anyway in frustration, it still has that shock value. But there's nothing more off-putting to me than someone who uses a swear word in every sentence.
@umrapazai7484
@umrapazai7484 Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 completely agree with the last point. It's just pathetic, really.
@fastingd8609
@fastingd8609 Жыл бұрын
Man I always had problems going to church the structure the routine the hypocristy not feeling like I can relate with the fellow members , the lack of masculinity and friendship outside of church I gave up and stop going I’m probably in the wrong for that I find it very hard to go back
@nicholasyang3035
@nicholasyang3035 Жыл бұрын
Video on denominational differences regarding baptism soon?
@Viscount_Castlereagh
@Viscount_Castlereagh Жыл бұрын
I will be praying for you and reconquista, I was very surprised to see the list includes some Presbyterian churches on Ireland, I would love to have discovered an Orthodox Church of Ireland congretation near me as it is such a beautiful tradition.
@elijackson5814
@elijackson5814 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for ur videos they have really helped me in re discovering my faith. When ever u have the chance please add more chuches to some of the more rural states. For example I live in arkansas and the closet one on ur list to me is more than an hour way. Again thank you so much for ur hard work and dedication
@carelroos8908
@carelroos8908 Жыл бұрын
Try to sea if there is an Orthodoks Prespaterian Church (OPC) near you. That is a very good denomination. If you do not sea anything, sea if you can find a PCA (Prespaterian Church in America), witch is a larger Presbyterian denomination.
@kvelez
@kvelez 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing theology and Minecraft.
@danielschmude
@danielschmude Жыл бұрын
Keep going to Church, because that's where someone will bring you the new evangel.
@thekronkueror7198
@thekronkueror7198 Жыл бұрын
Could you make a video on salvation through faith alone? I’m Catholic and I do not believe in that, but I want to hear from well spoken Protestants the argument for it. When prots debate it with me, the argument is usually reactionary to Catholicism and not independent from it. I know it’s difficult to not be reactionary to the church that a faith separated of but I wanted to still hear them out.
@VU57
@VU57 Жыл бұрын
Me (a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) only watches to better understand other churches. He doesn’t like my church :(
@michaelg4919
@michaelg4919 Жыл бұрын
Salvation is by faith alone but you need to fight the good fight so you get to the finish line.
@VU57
@VU57 Жыл бұрын
man I love how controversial these comments sections are
@michaelg4919
@michaelg4919 Жыл бұрын
@@VU57 true lol
@VU57
@VU57 Жыл бұрын
@@logicus.thomistica in other doctrine where did God come from
@phillipeffertz6346
@phillipeffertz6346 Жыл бұрын
I have enjoyed watching your videos, I had to watch from the start of your recordings to see the church start from nothing to where it is now. Really enjoyed learning about theology.
@pubcle
@pubcle Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the map and fully agree with the importance of beauty. There's something... ethereal about a quality church. Now I don't think it's fully necessary to have a grand cathedral. I think the best churches mix ethereal with personal closeness.
@alfonsuskristo1624
@alfonsuskristo1624 Жыл бұрын
I think you should have a conversation with Brian Holdsworth. Your view that most churches abandoned beauty is inlined with him. I like to hear more about beauty and how it affects Christians.
@theamericanpotatonamedphil4306
@theamericanpotatonamedphil4306 Жыл бұрын
Its good to see my boy got more frames ❤️❤️❤️
@raudrauga
@raudrauga Жыл бұрын
I have a question, is the act of confirmation prevalent outside of the Nordic countries, or does it just go under a different name? It's really common here in Norway but i see no mention of it elsewhere
@tillman40
@tillman40 Жыл бұрын
Why do churches need to be million dollar buildings? What would Jesus say about expensive buildings?
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
nobody said million dollar buildings. Beautiful doesn't mean expensive. There's tiny old stone churches in west Virginia that are beautiful but simple. There's huge megachurches in Texas that are fancy and expensive, but not beautiful.
@Yet333
@Yet333 Жыл бұрын
Almost every facet of the old AND New Testament has ZERO reference to church being mandatory. This is completely bogus info
@WhoLovesDean
@WhoLovesDean Жыл бұрын
Hey man love the videos. But why did you not include any Methodist church's. Wife and I are moving to AZ and would've loved this map as a resource for searching. I am somewhere between Methodist and Presbyterian (not a Calvinist so that's why I say in between) but I noticed the map needs arguably the largest mainline church noted :)
@groobly6070
@groobly6070 2 ай бұрын
You posted this video discussing the Body of Christ on the Sunday of Corpus Christi. Was that intentional?
@coultersheppard2052
@coultersheppard2052 Жыл бұрын
We are a web. You can't have a web with one strand of silk from its center to the edge. Every strand in the web bears weight pressed elsewhere on the web, making the whole structure difficult to break. It is especially important in this era, where we are otherwise stranded from all purifying influence, that we attend church. Most of us would falter and fail within weeks or months of spiritual starvation. Even if we are alone in influencing our church to purity, the fruits of our work refresh us as we toil, such that even in the absence of others to fortify our faith, we still persevere.
@tru2thastyle
@tru2thastyle Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!
@xiv_tm431
@xiv_tm431 Жыл бұрын
I like your academic view on things, but I disagree that Baptism is what makes you a Christian. How would the penitent thief on the cross have been saved? He was saved through faith alone. Baptism is good, but it is not what makes you a Christian. I got baptised like 3 times when I was younger and I didnt believe. I havent been baptized since I DID come to true repentance and faith in Christ. Would I not be saved if I dont get dunked in water by a Christian? Not trying to be argumentative, actually wondering what other's opinions are on this.
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
I can offer my real world opinion, Jesus said we must be born again in spirit to have eternal life and enter the kingdom. When we believe on the Holy Gospel and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, we are born again in spirit.. baptism is merely an outward profession of our faith, it cannot save anyone. My real world experience, I was baptized before I was saved and absolutely nothing happened.. But when I ran to Jesus and looked to him alone to save me, I received God's Holy Spirit right then and there and have never been the same.. that was decades ago
@yeetoburrito9972
@yeetoburrito9972 Жыл бұрын
You should read the Gospel of John, its written explicitly to non-believers as a explanation of how to be saved, the other gospels are directed to already Christians, John says expressly that "Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book, but these are written so that you may believe in that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" John 20:30-31. Now beyond that verse explicitly explaining how you are saved (by believing you may have life), John repeats that messages throughout the book (and again in 1st John). We aren't saved by works, baptism included, church attendance included, we are saved by faith. "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified and with the mouth one confesses and is saved" Romans 10:9-10. I believe references to baptism in terms of theology (like in Romans 6 when Paul references baptism) are the baptism of the Holy Spirit, referred to in Matthew 3:11. And the passage in John 3 that people like to use to say baptism is required I think is just Jesus referencing Ezekiel 36:20-end, and its definitely not clear that he refers to baptism, especially as he says later in that conversation "whoever believes in him [Christ] may have eternal life" and then again later in that chapter "whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life". Notice how he doesn't say "whoever believes in me and goes to church every sunday, and gets baptized shall not perish but have eternal life", but if he wanted to, he could have. Hope this helps :)
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
Baptism is merely an outward expression of our faith, Jesus gave us the answer.. He said we need to be born again in spirit to inherit the kingdom. Meaning, we repent and put our faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.. and this can only be done from the heart, not our lips. We know we are saved when God seals us with his Holy Spirit, The most amazing experience a human being can have 💖
@jrodmcscary
@jrodmcscary Жыл бұрын
Can we make a request for a church be added to the map? Out here on the west coast especially it can be difficult to find a solid traditional church, and now that I have found one I want as many people as possible to know!
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
you can just tell me what it is
@jrodmcscary
@jrodmcscary Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 where? Right here?
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
@@jrodmcscary yup
@jrodmcscary
@jrodmcscary Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 cool! Trinity Lutheran Church in Mount Vernon, WA.
@borisvandruff7532
@borisvandruff7532 Жыл бұрын
GO TO CHURCH.
@basedhistory001
@basedhistory001 Жыл бұрын
Hello, I've recently started watching your videos, and they've changed my life! I was wondering if you could make a video on why Jesus came to earth when he did. Thanks!
@Thomas-rz5nt
@Thomas-rz5nt Жыл бұрын
I think Martin Luther would disagree
@odesso2556
@odesso2556 Жыл бұрын
i was raised catholic as a child, became an atheist, and came back to the faith through protestantism in the salvation army, i always felt very excluded when i was catholic because i was never allowed the Holy Communion, my church doesnt do the sacraments and im very confused as to why they dont? it feels weird and im starting to think im never gonna find a church that checks all the biblical boxes :/
@michaelg4919
@michaelg4919 Жыл бұрын
When I first saw your channel I thought you were uploading content about redeemed people with whom you talked on Zoom xD
@JoshQ15
@JoshQ15 Жыл бұрын
What about watching a live stream of church? Since the pandemic livestreaming has become a weekly thing at church, so is that acceptable or must you physically go?
@icarojose6316
@icarojose6316 Жыл бұрын
You must phisically go, but if you have social problems to talk to people you can spend some days only watching while you build your courage to leave your room
@king638
@king638 Жыл бұрын
You must physically attend, you can’t receive Communion through a Zoom meeting.
@lukesmith110
@lukesmith110 Жыл бұрын
yo dude Minecraft has reference to cthulu in it in the enchantment table when its decoded should i stop playin the game because of it, or should i continue to play it and use a texture pack that removes the text im seriousely struggling with this because i want that kind of stuff to have no place in my house. what do i do
@MaxSoulier-zk8jn
@MaxSoulier-zk8jn Жыл бұрын
Wait really
@skyorrichegg
@skyorrichegg Жыл бұрын
I am not Redeemed Zoomer so take any of my advice with that caveat. I think it should also be asked if you are entirely serious about this question as it can be hard to tell through text if you are sincerely seeking Christian advice in this aspect or are just messing around on the internet, as a general rule I assume sincerity but Poe's law is pretty accurate in my opinion. Anyway... Cthulhu is completely fictional, would you feel the same way about a game with references to Morgoth or Sauron? Regardless, if your conscience is telling you not to play I could support that, or a texture pack as a solution to continue playing and avoiding some aspect that is searing your conscience. I personally am more worried about the obsessions and addictions I tend to get about games as games rather than to any references in them to supernatural or supposed demonic elements. But that stems from my own relationship with games and fiction rather than as some general rule or recommendation for my fellow believers. Since you are just an internet stranger it is hard to give good advice to someone where you do not know their situation. I generally recommend that people ask for this kind of Christian advice from their local pastor or a knowledgeable Christian who knows them and the aspects in question. This seems pretty similar to a 1 Corinthians 8 sort of situation, so it can kind of go either way how you handle and it can be better to talk to someone wise, with a good walk with Christ, who knows you and your walk with Christ.
@Halapainyo88
@Halapainyo88 Жыл бұрын
Just get the halo texture pack and you should be fine lol
@Red_emp_tion
@Red_emp_tion Жыл бұрын
You probably should be more concerned about enchantments as a whole and the possibile connection to witchcraft/the demonic. I think Chuthlu is just some made up squid monster lol. Edit: Oh I didn't realize it was like a fictional DIETY. I think was thinking more of the Kraken?
@CornCod1
@CornCod1 Жыл бұрын
Some people here are saying there is no biblical command to go to church. Yes there is Hebrews 10:25.
@landonmiller338
@landonmiller338 3 ай бұрын
This is also one reason we shouldn't care about the oft repeated Ghandi quote, "I like your Christ, but I don't like your Christians."
@xplicit.27
@xplicit.27 Жыл бұрын
i was baptized as a baby in a catholic church but didnt have faith until a couple years ago when i was 17, is that valid?
@jaihummel5057
@jaihummel5057 Жыл бұрын
Same here brother, and the answer is yes 👍 When you are baptized in the name of the holy trinity, it is a valid baptism no matter your age. You are a covenant child and have a birth certificate in the kingdom of God.
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
yup it is indeed valid! Baptism's efficacy isn't tied to when it was administered, nor does it depend on the faithfulness of the one doing it, but only on God's grace
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
​@@redeemedzoomer6053 baptism is merely an outward profession of our faith and infants cannot do that, it's not something that could be done on someone's behalf dumbass.. Jesus said we must be born again in spirit to inherit the kingdom, you're no Christian
@alfredusmagnus
@alfredusmagnus Жыл бұрын
Nice video! Didn’t Jesus say that his kingdom isn’t on this earth though?
@cupacartoon991
@cupacartoon991 Жыл бұрын
Very true!
@fabianurrigshardt1960
@fabianurrigshardt1960 Жыл бұрын
thank you for that video my brother!
@josiahsmucker8989
@josiahsmucker8989 Жыл бұрын
@redeemedzoomer, what are your thoughts interdenominational courtship/marriage?
@viajanteestelar8320
@viajanteestelar8320 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see a video explaining how was your process to become a protestant calvinist. As someone who converted to Christianity last year, after doing my research and asking questions to other christians, I have come to the conclusion that the "true church"(if there is a true church) is probably either Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism, but probably roman catholicism. What led you to believe that neither roman catholicism nor orthodoxy can be true?
@Ilovewateriamwater
@Ilovewateriamwater Жыл бұрын
Fr i need to find a new church asap
@gee3591
@gee3591 Жыл бұрын
so since you can be baptized but not saved can you be saved without ever being baptized or like being officially christian?
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
Yes.. we must be born again in spirit by accepting the Holy Gospel, baptism is merely an outward expression of our faith
@jjy1874
@jjy1874 Жыл бұрын
Redeemed Zoomer ,will you ever defeat the Ender Dragon?
@snowbird1381
@snowbird1381 Жыл бұрын
Here’s a question. I’ve been on the fence about church and baptism, and I recently found a small church in my community that seems pretty chill. I’ve been attending some of their online services but I’m having this insane urge to read the Bible before attending anything in person. And this isn’t just some weird craving. It’s like an insane urge, and something I need to do. I’ve been reading it and still in Old Testament: I’m not complaining or anything but is this normal for beginners? Like has anyone else experienced this?
@Robert_Sparkman_01
@Robert_Sparkman_01 Жыл бұрын
If regeneration precedes faith, as it assuredly does, how can baptism unite the believer with Christ? New life begins at regeneration.
@tapooki
@tapooki Жыл бұрын
hello i regularly enjoy your videos !
@BioAbner
@BioAbner Жыл бұрын
What version of minecraft is this? It stresses me out that you're not using scaffolding.
@TheDragonSeer
@TheDragonSeer Жыл бұрын
I'm female and I watch your videos!
@mikeymakesmaps1849
@mikeymakesmaps1849 Жыл бұрын
Do you talk and record at the same time?
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
usually I do, but for this specific video, I did a voiceover
@lorenzomizushal3980
@lorenzomizushal3980 Жыл бұрын
I am the church and attend to myself everyday. I attend church everyday.
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
Stupid comment
@jb885
@jb885 Жыл бұрын
I pray for all to join orthodox church God bless
@Machodave2020
@Machodave2020 Жыл бұрын
Which one?
@brock2443
@brock2443 Жыл бұрын
I would like to BUT, Exodus 20:4-5 “4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.”
@jb885
@jb885 Жыл бұрын
@@brock2443 7 ecumenical council approved icons
@Machodave2020
@Machodave2020 Жыл бұрын
@@jb885 but the Bible doesn't - it actually says the opposite. You gonna put a council over something the Bible specifically says not to do?
@jb885
@jb885 Жыл бұрын
@@Machodave2020 People who wrote bible made were same as in councils use logic
@3Saturnn
@3Saturnn Жыл бұрын
Is kingdomcraft a private smp? If it isn’t, what is the IP
@peterjensen9468
@peterjensen9468 Жыл бұрын
Looking at the map, I would not recommend St Johns in Utah. From my impressions and what I've heard, he's pretty sketchy. If you want another LCMS Lutheran Church in Utah, I'd recommend Grace Lutheran or Christ Lutheran Church
@jacobe2995
@jacobe2995 Жыл бұрын
Next your gonna tell me I need to be catholic
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
This is why you can never trust a mere person, only the words of Jesus Christ can be trusted ❤
@DylanRodgerzzz
@DylanRodgerzzz Жыл бұрын
There's a Baptist church you forgot to add on the Missouri part of the U.S. it's the First Baptist Church in El dorado springs Missouri
@veborn1712
@veborn1712 Жыл бұрын
Wait, you are a reformed?
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
yes
@veborn1712
@veborn1712 Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Men, Reject heresy embrace The truth.
@sinisdead
@sinisdead Жыл бұрын
Most ornate protestant church
@addisonbreton-df2fc
@addisonbreton-df2fc Жыл бұрын
hey, tagging onto that one commenter to say, yes you do have viewers that are girls (i'm another one)!!
@lccr1000
@lccr1000 Жыл бұрын
Can you share the world file?
@Mo-sk7xo
@Mo-sk7xo Жыл бұрын
I have a Question though....Why is it that Church has to be Cotified as me going to a Actual building that calls its Self a Church in order to partake in the Sacraments.....Like if I perform the Lord's Supper with a Group of Belivers outside of church arnt we Communing as the Body of Christ? like why does it have to be in a Building that someone I don't even know deemed as Holy just because they put a Cros on the Top? in my mind if we're Gathering to praise GOD and Teach the Bible and we're performing the Sacraments in the Holy Way it's not any different
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
It's important for the mission of God's Kingdom for it to be organized, and also it's not proper for laypeople to do the sacraments themselves, it must be done by an ordained minister.
@Mo-sk7xo
@Mo-sk7xo Жыл бұрын
@redeemedzoomer6053 Gotchu so me and Ten friends can Gather to study the Gospel the Gospel and Praise GOD and When it's Time to Partake in Sacraments we can just reach out to an Ordinary Minster to perform it for us and that's Just as much Church as anything else correct?
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
No, it's important for the church to be an organized institution with historic ties to the early church, so no, I wouldn't say you can do church just "you and your friends"
@Mo-sk7xo
@Mo-sk7xo Жыл бұрын
@redeemedzoomer6053 What I described is more congruent with the Early church than anything....The first Christians were persecuted they met in homes and back Allys when it was Illegal to do so....I dont think you need a Big shiny building and hundreds of People to Properly praise the LORD..There are plenty of people who wanna connect with GOD and Dont Live In Community's where there are scores of Christians I.E the scores of Middle Eastern Muslims who are converting every Day...Is their praise and worship not adequate as a Group of friends because there's not alot of Christian Cathedrals and masive congregations Proped up over the Muslim world...I Feel like Mathew 18:20 speaks to this notion...But to each their own..
@CheekyHaggis
@CheekyHaggis Жыл бұрын
No Swedish churches on the map?`
@umrapazai7484
@umrapazai7484 Жыл бұрын
do americans have "cells" church? I think it's pretty great. Early christianity vibes.
@Machodave2020
@Machodave2020 Жыл бұрын
I already don't agree with this video just looking at the title, but fine, make your argument. Edit: Okay, now that I've watched the video, I can actually write my argument. So I don't disagree with you on the church is what Yeshua (Jesus) has left behind, but my issues are not the idea of the Church, it's the modern-day church itself. Technically speaking, any amount of people together is considered a congregation/church; the idea of the church system way created so God's home has a look to it and is a lot more organized, but you don't need to go to church to be at church, you just need to be with a group of believers. The only thing you would have to go to an actual church for is to get baptized but everything else you can do alone. Remember, church starts at the home, not the congregation down your street. Now the reason I disagree with you is because American churches are a mess - some churches you have pastors molesting children, some have evil spirits running through them, some have a bad environment (other than be liberal, judgemental church ladies or a somewhat mean pastor), some churches are EXTREMELY liberal, some churches are actually cults (and I don't mean Jehovah's Witness or LDS, I mean churches outside of those heretical denominations), some churches have a lot of racist people in them (that's important to me as a black person), and some churches have pastors that are just bad at their jobs. Not to mention, churches worship on Sunday, and even though I'm not Seventh Day Adventist, I am a Sabbatarian. I can't find a good baptist church in Philly that is not similar to that of a megachurch (I.E not Bethel and not Zion), a lot of the protestant churches are too liberal, I disagree with the Catholics and Orthodox, and I can't go out into the suburbs because I can't drive. So for me, going to church is just out of the question, I'm better of just studying at home. I did find a Methodist church I can start to go to, but even then, I'm not going every week, it would be more like every other week.
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
Any church is better than no church, not having “good enough” churches is a bad excuse
@Machodave2020
@Machodave2020 Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 yes, but bad churches are still not worth going to; it's not a good influence. I'd still rather just study alone. Edit: Also, like I said, I'm not against the idea of church, just the church system itself. If I really wanted a church experience, I can just get a couple of believers together, we discuss scripture and worship together, and we can do the sacraments (other than baptism) by ourselves; congratulations, you made a congregation, all you need is one of y'all to get baptized and become a certified pastor and you can become a legitimate Church.
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
@@Machodave2020 you’re in sin brother you need to repent. It’s prideful thinking that the churches around you are so bad and you’re so much better than them that you’re better off not doing what’s commanded of you
@PB-mp4rt
@PB-mp4rt Жыл бұрын
We went to a Church where the Archbishop after 10 minutes handed over to his wife the reigns. She announced worship and then proceeded to play a video of a band singing an unknown song. After that they had a renewal of marriage vows of an unusual couple. Then they had people in the congregation telling everyone what they had for sale! The sermon was a short video. I appreciate the need for public Worship but some ' churches' are so far removed from orthodoxy they have become a sad joke! This is in a town where we have a second home. As a Dutch Reformed Church member even there 80 percent of eldership took the jab and in sister congregations, members wore masks, perspex shields and sat behind a perspex screen. I think they were scared of dying! Can you believe that! They also pushed for Vaccine Passes! They submitted to tyranny by closing services or in later times reducing attendance numbers to 12. Thank the Lord for Alastair Begg and the Livestream services. Little old NZ has certainly fell victim to the psyop!
@Machodave2020
@Machodave2020 Жыл бұрын
@@redeemedzoomer6053 I never said I was better, I don't think I am at all, everyone goes to church because they have problems and need to be with other believers, but if the church is problematic, how do you expect me as a believer to grow? How am I supposed to grow if the pastor can't do his job? How am I supposed to grow if the people in the congregation are chaotic? How am I supposed to grow if everyone is a heretic? How am I supposed to grow if the church won't accept me into the congregation? Is a church a church of God if no one is doing what they're supposed to? That's not to say everything needs to be perfect; everyone makes mistakes, but if a church is heretical and not being "church-like," then what makes the church better than my house? What makes the church better than the MFL or BSL? What makes the church better than Kensington? If I know a lot of believers and we all come together in true worship and we study together, aren't we a congregation? Isn't the church about the contents within the church and not the church itself? We need to have some kind of standards for the churches we choose, because if we don't, we can accidentally align ourselves with problematic heretics and non-believers; some of us can complete resist their evil ways, but truthfully, a lot of us can't and will just be part of the cult (or whatever they call themselves). I'm just looking for a church where the believer sins (because no one's perfect), are aware of it, and trying to make some sort of effort towards making themselves better - it doesn't matter if they fail at doing it, all that matters is that they're true followers that are trying to make a conscious effort. As for the pastor, I expect them to be a legitimate leader and not let the church be a hostile environment; it's one thing if the people within a church are a bit problematic, but I expect more from a pastor as they're the leader of the congregation. I shouldn't have to feel ashamed or fearful when going to a church, I should feel like a believer - who has problems that need to be fixed - who can walk into the church feeling unafraid and feels like a legitimate part of the congregation. I shouldn't be judged by the elders of the church everytime I do something wrong if I'm trying to do right. I should feel like even if I do something wrong, I can get constructive criticism and I can get helped back up when I fall. I shouldn't feel like I have to stay quiet and just accept the church for what it is. I should feel like a man with a voice to speak freely if I have concerns that should be addressed. I shouldn't feel like because "pastor said so" I need to just listen. I should feel trusted enough to have something explained to me - even if I have troubles understanding something, I can ask God in faith to explain it to me (James 1: 5-6). So far, I haven't really found any churches that did that, and neither did the rest of my family, so we just didn't go and just study alone. If I have legitimate concerns about some of the protestant churches in my area, then why am I the sinner? I never said I wouldn't go to church, I never said church was bad, but if I feel like I don't get anything beneficial from a church like true worship and true theology, then what's the point of going? And don't say it's because the gathering of believers or the church is God's home because I can do that by just getting believers together and a bad church is still a bad church. If it's really meant to be, God will lead me to a church if I ask him to guide me, but until I find a church that is right for, I'm not going; plain and simple.
@timzimlich1301
@timzimlich1301 Жыл бұрын
Broh, you been doing adderal or something?
@__-tn6hw
@__-tn6hw Жыл бұрын
Say the Bible washed up on the shore of a beach and one person read it and converted to Christianity. How many people does it take in order to go to church (that is, to make a local church that can be visited)?
@Mic1904
@Mic1904 Жыл бұрын
I would suggest two possible key components (and others are free to jump in and disagree). First, that the Bible says God is with us when two or three are gathered in His Name, suggesting that a mere 2-3 people is all it takes for a particular kind of Christian fellowship where God is present - I would suggest that many people take this as applying to congregating as a church. Second, and this is where some will disagree on the details, is whether the Word and Sacrament are rightly preached and administered. And in that regard, you're going to have differing views on how such a thing can rightly come into being. In summary, it would take only 2-3 people at a minimum, but there will be differences of opinion on whether that Church has valid orders/ordination/etc to preach the Word and administer the Sacraments.
@umrapazai7484
@umrapazai7484 Жыл бұрын
For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” Matthew 18:20 if you want to be part of the cool guys or the (insert denomination here), it's a lot more complicated, but if you just want to glorify God with your fellow christians, just gathering in spirit of union and reading some psalms and so on is a great start, I would say.
@__-tn6hw
@__-tn6hw Жыл бұрын
@@umrapazai7484 This is my idea of a church, I ask the question to @redeemedzoomer6053 because he seems to present a view that demands investigation, that just a few people worshiping and gathering in the name of Jesus alone can't be a church (what the video seems to indicate).
@umrapazai7484
@umrapazai7484 Жыл бұрын
@@__-tn6hw that is our brother's view. both of us disagree, and I think that's ok.
@viajanteestelar8320
@viajanteestelar8320 Жыл бұрын
@@umrapazai7484 but you also need the sacraments.
@level98bearhuntingarmor
@level98bearhuntingarmor Жыл бұрын
I haven't been to Church for literally years and my faith is kinda weak, need me a biblical (Luderan) Church
@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 Жыл бұрын
Well don't delay then! Find a Lutheran church near you so you can be back in communion with the Lord! God bless you
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
Level Read the Holy Bible, read the words of Jesus Christ
@beat1riz
@beat1riz Жыл бұрын
Go ahead, blame it on latin america, it's easier.
@robertguidry2168
@robertguidry2168 Жыл бұрын
There is no salvation outside the Church. Like you said, the church is the body of Christ. You cannot trust Jesus and hate His church.
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
Wow you are really ignorant about Christianity.. there is no salvation through the church, Jesus Christ said he alone is the way to the Father, he said we must be born again in spirit to inherit the kingdom. We must believe on the Holy Gospel and accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, the church makes no provision for this
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
The thief on the cross never went to church Einstein.. and yet he received his salvation, maybe educate yourself before posting ignorant nonsense
@rustyshadeofred
@rustyshadeofred Жыл бұрын
Its a shame so many good people don't attend church
@JoesWebPresence
@JoesWebPresence Жыл бұрын
Do they have to go twice? Do they have to sing along like they mean it, and put something in the offering? Do they have to be official members? Do they cease to be Christians if the government shuts their church down? If they miss a week, or horror of horrors, move to a reformed Baptist fellowship, are they damned? The bible says we should congregate, fellowship, gather in worship, celebrate Him, and teach, but I have not yet found the passage that explains why all Christians MUST go to church. Officially sanctioned church or not. I can quite happily organise communion among my fellow Christians, and we "do this often in rememberance of Me" anywhere, but nobody said every sunday at some specific church. We can pray, teach, worship and fellowship in liberty ANYwhere. We can baptise someone in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit anywhere there is water. Your insistence in this video that "you just can't do that" or "that's not how you do it at all" are all unsupported exclamations. Are you certain of them? Can you quote scriptures which back up your assumptions? Sure! Solo worship is not enough, but belonging to an established church is not at all necessary, and neither are pastors, vicars, ministers, priests, bishops or pontifs. There is no mediator between us and God except Jesus. Jesus is enough, and nobody ever gave the heads of your church a monopoly on salvation, so why are you trying to claim it for them now? To claim as much is a VERY serious assertion which I would implore you to WALK BACK FROM! Surely it cannot be, that you misrepresent scripture, and twist the Word of God to falsely claim that to be a true disciple of Jesus Christ, you MUST go to church? You MUST submit yourself to reprobate, government approved and worldly compromised religious institutions or you are not a REAL Christian? Which church? An officially approved church? YOUR church? Forgive me for being skeptical Zoomer, but My Lord says otherwise.
@Mic1904
@Mic1904 Жыл бұрын
If you can demonstrate that your gatherings allow a person to fulfil the Biblical obligation to worship God with others, to place themselves under the authority of overseers, that they can receive discipline from people who know and care for them, and that their church has men set aside to the work of teaching and administering ordinances ('sacraments'), then congratulations, what you're attending IS a church, and your argument is somewhat moot. If it doesn't meet this criteria, it's lacking key Biblical requirements.
@JoesWebPresence
@JoesWebPresence Жыл бұрын
Authority and discipline, huh @@Mic1904 ? Paid teachers for the lesson, and paid waiters for the meal too? THAT's what makes it the body of Christ, is it? Funny how those early gatherings in 1st century Palestine, Anatolia and Greece didn't have those dedicated positions. Does that mean the original congrgations weren't 'proper' churches? Which apostle, or what revelation from God changed this, and made official full time grafters and gate keepers compulsory for all believers? Are you SURE about this? Can you support these assertions of yours (or your religous overlords) with scripture? Are you sure those don't just make it a lucrative business, and lend some authority and gravitas to those "officials" so that shallow, ill informed people will believe they are important and necessary? What I am a PART of is a Christian fellowship. We fulfil all the criteria The bible places on us, and we ignore all the made up ones that the Pharisees have set for us. I hope that one day we will all be able to worship in spirit and in truth, without any unecessary obstacles being placed in our way by those with a vested interest in maintaining their monopoly on gathering in worship of God. When God is present, we have no need of those people, with their man made rituals their fine vestments. Once Jesus opens our eyes, we can clearly see that those funny little emperors have no clothes on! There ARE no passages that commend these Simonite Pharisees to us, but plenty which warn us against them. According to your comment Mic1904, the Catholics, Anglicans, Episcopalians and unitarians are ALL 'safe' churches to attend, as they all have the things you listed, yet by their fruits we shall know them, and anyone attending can plainly discern that hey don't have the Spirit of The Living God in their hearts. Right now, both sides of the Anglican split fulfill your criteria, so are they BOTH ok, or is one more official, and therefore more Godly? As I understand it, in 'official' churches like those, their massive wealth and estate portfolios, political ambitions and business models preclude Him from attending. How sad. If Jesus asked them to give all they had to the poor, and then follow Him with nothing, in complete faith, what do you think their response would be? Oh yeah, that's right! He DID!
@Mic1904
@Mic1904 Жыл бұрын
​@@JoesWebPresence Lot of false and potentially damaging assertions here. Briefly, I'll tackle a handful that stand out: *"Authority and discipline, huh @Mic1904 ?* Correct. One of the key components of the Biblical New Testament Church. *"What I am a PART of is a Christian fellowship. We fulfil all the criteria The bible places on us"* Excellent. Who is your overseer (Philippians 1:1, Acts 20:28, 1 Peter 5:1-4, 1 Timothy 3:1-7, Titus 1:7), do you honor them and do any of those overseers teach (1 Timothy 5:17), and to whom do you submit and who has the rule over you (Hebrews 13:17)? Whose job in your fellowship is it to have disciplinary rule over you and spiritual oversight and care for you? If you fulfil these, then great! Just one more way you are a true church. A brief list of troubling suggestions you have levelled against my statements: *"When God is present, we have no need of those people, with their man made rituals their fine vestments."* No one has mentioned rituals or 'fine vestments'. It's little wonder you have such low regard for New Testament discipline and leadership if the only image you have in your head of such a thing is some kind of Popery. *"According to your comment Mic1904, the Catholics, Anglicans, Episcopalians and unitarians are ALL 'safe' churches to attend"* I have made absolutely no such claim. Kindly retract this, brother. I have not said that these are criteria for a 'safe' church, but rather these are simple _structural_ necessities for a New Testament Church clearly laid out in Scripture (and, arguably, none of these churches actually meet those structural criteria anyway). They can still be gross heretics to be avoided in all other things and be void of the Gospel. This is like saying, 'All Churches should have a Bible in them', and then you suggesting that this is me suggesting ANY church in history that owned a Bible is safe to attend. Utterly false accusation. You defeat your own accusation, since there will indeed be heretical churches who have the same fellowship structures and policies as you do - that doesn't suddenly make them ok in your book. *"Right now, both sides of the Anglican split fulfill your criteria, so are they BOTH ok, or is one more official, and therefore more Godly?"* Slander. I haven't remotely stated such a thing. If anything, absense of proper discipline in Anglican circles has allowed godlessness to thrive.
@JoesWebPresence
@JoesWebPresence Жыл бұрын
Oh dear @@Mic1904 You didn't actually share any scriptures that back up your assertions, or that contradict mine, do you? You shared Philipians 1:1, as if mention of bishops and deacons means they were compulsory! We have elders and teachers, pastors and evangelists, but not ones who are solely appointed by men, or who have cretificates from seminary, and well paid contracts, ready for a lifetime of sucking from the teat of a materialist institution at the expense of the poor they claim to serve. An institution like the ones I listed, which you took offense to, but those DO all fit your criteria for a 'proper' church, so what I said stands, and is not slanderous, but TRUE! As for the Anglican split, it appears that you don't know the details. The global Anglican communion just dismissed the Archbishop of Canterbury, (THEIR overseer, and formerly the head of the Anglican communion worldwide) because he openly contradicts the word of God concerning same sex blessings. He has since admitted that he came under huge pressure from HM government to approve same sex blessings in the church, and instructed his bishops to vote for it, in spite of its clear contradiction to the Word of God, and the firm opposition of 80% of Anglicans worldwide. They duely voted it in, breaking communion with the rest of the church. So not a LACK of oversight, but a clear abuse of religious authority by the heads of that church, in order to effect an ungodly political agenda, against the will of the congregation. Having dismissed him, and having instituted a new heirarchy, appointing new bishops, deacons and overseers, both sides of the Anglican split fulfill all of your requirements for being a proper church again, so which is right? We are left in no doubt by scripture how we can know Christians, and is isn't by how formal and organised their church is. By your reckoning those Anglicans had no right to split from the catholic church, or the presbyterians to split from the Anglicans, as they were not submitting themselves to the authority of the church elders and overseers, and therefore not the 'proper' church! I wonder where you draw the line. Were it up to you in 1st century Jerusalem, would you have us respect the religious authority of the Pharisees? Wisdom teaches me, it is not the challenging of religious authority that brings corruption and spiritual stagnation, but the slavish adherence to it, as witnessed back then, and confirmed in Luther's day, and again in Wesley's day, and in the Anglican communion today. You don't own patents on the worship of Jesus. You don't hold a monopoly on what constitutes a 'proper' Christian fellowship, and you as the established churches do NOT have a good witness on exercising Godly authority within your own churches, so kindly remove the log from your own churche's eye before offering to set our thriving fellowship right, with the correct application of logs!
@busybody1474
@busybody1474 Жыл бұрын
Joe I agree 💯 with you.. Jesus never said his church was the way to the kingdom, he said he alone is the way.. never listen to a mere person, only the words of Jesus can be trusted
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