Why am I Struggling to Embrace Emulation?

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, i did not think for a second this vid would take off the way it did - i just wanted to thank everyone who engaged with this one, whether it be watched, commented, liked, or subscribed. it’s really been a blast engaging with folks on this topic! i get a new computer next week, so i’ll be able to continue posting one off videos like this in the future. thank you all again for making it so fulfilling and fun!

[@addy5572]

We all want it on switch, but the problem is that pokemon as a company have been so anti consumer on this, That emulation is the only thing driving the community forward. We can beg nintendo all we want but they have proven they arent bothered.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, i find myself trying to rationalize why The Pokemon Company/Nintendo haven’t ported the classic games from 3DS to the Switch, and i really struggle to imagine a solid reason. at this point, emulation is def keeping the engagement in the older titles alive and i’m grateful for the folks who preserve them!

[@thegameguy429]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk the reason is probably so the Later Gen Z and Gen Alpha don’t know that Pokémon can be good and not glitchy and generally mid to bad at storytelling

[@lpfan4491]

One of the blockers is probably that they want the emulators adjusted to not give you savestates and frame rewind for those games specifically, just like how they also had some features blocked on the 3DS. "They could clone Pokemon otherwise!"

[@acer1kylesf943]

hshop

[@sfxdlwsrs]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalkI still have faith that theyll come out on 2025 with the Switch 2

[@Nasaratsu]

I've been playing on emulators since the original Red and Blue were launched, mostly due to the expensive prices here in Brazil. Been doing that since then, and even bought a few OG games like Crystal, Leaf Green and HG on their respective hardware. I for one feel like emulation is a blessing, not only for preservation, but for allowing mods and other things which expand this universe. All that said, I really missed out on the crucial aspect of multiplayer, be that trading or battling. I believe I only had one official battle on the DS lite with a friend of mine and that was it.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

this was really interesting insight! it’s a bummer your experience lacked the multiplayer experience, but i’m happy that emulation allowed you to experience these titles! i wish i had been as resourceful!

[@anonanonymous9670]

DS emulators have fully working online (yes, even GTS works)

[@bowie8782]

I am in the same boat as you my friend. One of the best features for myself is transferring Pokémon you’ve been training between games, via home.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

very glad i am not the only one in this boat. it felt very hypocritical (or maybe ungrateful?) to not want to play them now that they are readily available and having wished to be able to access them for so long, but it felt like i was having to force myself to really commit to the experience. this is very embarrassing, i’ve had a home account for years, but i only recently took the time to truly figure out how to transfer from a game to Home and then from Home to another game. i have a shiny Zygarde i got in Sw/Sh and i’m really hoping i can move that cutie into ZA.

[@mi4lh]

u can do that with emulation saves. i brought my soulsilver delta mon to X n Y and then into bank, then to Home. It took a KZbin tutorial or two but it was doable and pretty easy

[@BansheeNT-D]

I would not be surprised when Gen 1 is sold for 15$, Gen 2 for 25$ and Gen 3 for 39.99$. Or as special Classic Pokemon subscription pack for 69.99 per year.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

that sounds right - i keep thinking to the 3DS, how all the classic titles were on the eShop and i can't see them getting away from that model or not implementing it again.

[@tehSunBro]

the majority of these games run on a modded 3ds, which is kinda the best way to play them, with the eshop being dead, there is a moral obligation to mod your system and play them that way.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

is it still surprisingly easy to mod your 3DS? i’ve seen some on sale online (unmodded) but never mustered the will to buy one.

[@tehSunBro]

As far as i'm aware it's gotten even easier with time. Even just looking into the 3DS guide (hint hint) it says every single model of the 3DS is compatible. I also wouldn'tve expected you not actually having one, as a Pokemon fan, a 3DS is kind of a must have. @@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk

[@CatBack94]

​@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk it's very easy, I play my rom hacks on my 3ds now renegade platinum atm 👌

[@thatonegeeksite5251]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalkit’s very easy and definitely worth it. The homebrew community is insane and now you can even go online even though the services are down with Pretendo.

[@milkman4407]

@@CatBack94Rom hacks are super fun on modded 3DS, I’m currently playing through radical red and am 10 hours in!

[@FondestAlloy56]

Putting everything on the 3DS is the go to for you it sounds like

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

you’re right, it does - just gotta bite the bullet and get one for myself.

[@snap4936]

I would love to be able to start from scratch, building the pokedex, trading between versions, and transferring pokemon through generations. Its just not possible without shelling out $1,000 plus for old hardware and cartridges. Its a shame because we have the technology with the switch. I thought the switch was going to be a godsend to play old games like this on the go. I was sorely mistaken.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

it’s a real bummer - i feel like (generally speaking) Nintendo itself does a great job porting/remastering it’s older games to the console. they need to have a heart to heart with Pokemon on how to get it done.

[@jacobdavis1979]

I fully understand where you're coming from. We want to support the content we love officially on their own hardware. I struggled with this for a while too. On another note I tried the phone thing. I hated every second of it. I wasn't having fun, I wasn't enjoying myself at all. The big game changer for me to enjoy emulation was I bought a cheap Amazon Mini PC and a 2tb Kinhank hardrive. It's not official hardware of course but it makes the experience way nicer than it ever would be on a phone. I can play Pokemon with a Switch controller, it has everything Gen 1 through 5 and Omega Ruby. And virtually every Pokemon spinoff you can think of. Honestly it revitalized my interest in gaming as a whole. With modern gamings issues of long install times, license agreements and broken games at launch I was ready to quit gaming altogether.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, that's smart - i know the mini pc's are super affordable, i'll look into it! and glad you are still into gaming, its a great hobby!

[@qn9620]

I suggest playing Pokemmo if you're open to playing on emulators. It provides a lot of the experience that people feel are lost nowadays. You can play it on computers or mobile on your account. It provides a social aspect to Pokemon, as well as having pokemon across generations.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

downloading it now! maybe if it is a game that isn't an beat for beat copy of an og (original Pokemon game) i can get out of the rut!

[@VirtualAxiom]

I'd rather have permanent access to these games and the ability to play them on any hardware I want, like my Linux PC with a bluetooth SNES controller, than have to keep paying a mega-corporation that's been actively anti-consumer for the privilege of keeping my digital pets in software that I've rightfully owned a copy of since I was still learning to read. If that means I need to use cheats or save-editing to replicate features not possible outside of original hardware, then that's an acceptable trade-off to me. I don't owe Nintendo or Game Freak anything, I just want to play my old games, especially now that they've been so brazenly disrespecting their customers with low-quality releases and the literal ransomware that Home was at launch. I'm just kind of done with their abuse at this point, and I'd rather just enjoy the series I love with the games that allowed me to build that love in the first place and maintain it consistently from 1998 to now.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

that's totally fair - i dropped off nintendo right before the Wii and picked back up in 2020, so i def didn't experience the brutal repackaging of titles as others did. i can see why that would be a turn off.

[@SuperVini310]

The biggest benefit of emulating Pokémon is that you get access to modded versions of the games, making them much more optimized for emulation, as you can get all Pokémon in a single game (without trading, transferring or events). For some examples: Red++ Shin Red and Blue Crystal Legacy Refined Gold Refined Platinum Hundreds of Gen 3 enhancement mods (I don't even know where to begin). If you decide to emulate, go for the mods, they will make the originals obsolete.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, maybe that is the way to go - i’d like to play them in their original state first, but i for sure would also like to see what the modding community has done.

[@mightza3781]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk Pokemon in a way was one of the first live service games; half the game was the community and the communities of the OG games have moved on. The vanilla games aren't the same without other people since so many things are locked behind other people like trade evolutions and events. Also the games were designed for kids with a lot of free time that didn't mind sitting through repetitive animations mashing a.

[@nickk6645]

The best thing about emulation is that it doesn't need to exist in a closed ecosystem. You can play these games on your switch via emulation (you would need to buy a modded switch, and learn how to use the software but its possible). You could also emulate these games on a modded 3DS, or an original Gameboy with a flashcart. Or you can just get a controller for your iPhone... There are so many options available today to play these games. You can always wait for Nintendo to re-release these games, but it may never happen. Or, you might be suck with some NSO or digital copy that would be the same (or worse) as emulating it yourself anyways.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i think what i’m learning is that ultimately there is a lot more to emulation than i realized. it’s def worth investing in.

[@Nate-ui5es]

Highly agree!! I’ve started buying gameboys and authentic games to really get that nostalgic feeling

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i probably need to start - where are you buying the hardware (if you don’t mind me asking)?

[@kiwieggcreations]

When I was little all I had was a game boy color (in the 20teens) and I used to emulate these newer games on my phone. When I got old enough to a get a job it was so satisfying getting a 3ds and being able to play every pokemon up to usum with physical controls is so nice, and it only takes less than half an hour to mod. Super easy stuff!

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, i think getting a dedicated device will probably be the way to go - tho with the Switch 2 news, my copium has increased that they will come to that system lol.

[@heyarnold2006]

I'm one of the lucky ones and have access to all 9 generations of Pokemon through legitimate means, whether I have an OG title or a remake. Luckily, I bought Blue and Silver before the 3DS Eshop was destroyed. I can play gen 3 thanks to the used copy of Omega Ruby I found a few years ago and got for $20. As for gen 4 and upward, I have the original cartridges in working condition. For those who don't have access to one or more of the older gens, I'd recommend emulating them if you're a huge fan of the franchise or haven't played one yet. I, too, am hoping that Nintendo puts the older gens on Switch's Eshop. There is a clear demand for it, so it baffles me why Nintendo just won't pull the trigger; they are actively choosing to ignore the gold mine they are sitting on!

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

there has to be some nerd at the corporate office crunching the numbers and determining that having classic games on Switch would be detrimental. it makes me mad lol.

[@STikER326]

I am a Pokemon fan THANKS to emulation, without it I would have never been able to enjoy these games when I was a kid as consoles were too expensive and not widespread where I'm from. I don't know how this works on iOS, but emulation on PC and Android is so developed you can pretty much emulate the experience of Gens 1-7 almost in full. Most current GB and GBA emulators support multiplayer, even on Android. For Nintendo DS there's melonDS emulator that allows local multiplayer and can connect to custom servers for Wi-Fi multiplayer. It can also emulate the DS's GBA slot, so you can transfer mons from Gen 3 to 4. Same goes for Gen 5, you can trade and transfer no problem. For 3DS, there is Citra emulator and it gets a little complicated but you are able to do multiplayer locally and you can transfer mons from there to Gen 6 or 7 from previous gens (including Gen 1 and 2) by using PkHex (a save editing tool on PC) since Pokemon Bank doesn't work on Citra. However, if you want to move your mons to Switch, you would need an actual 3DS, since that requires a working Bank.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, i'm really thinking the best way to go at this point (for me) is a modded 3DS - still saving up for the console and the SD card, but doing research on it in the meantime!

[@STikER326]

@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk of course, if that suits you the best then go for it! I'm just sharing the info I know and have experience with to give more context on emulation

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

@@STikER326 i appreciate it!

[@techguypaul]

I emulated Pokemon on my iPhone years ago and realized even back then that playing GB games on a touchscreen is awful. I've also had bad experiences with emulators not saving correctly, costing me hours of grinding. I just want a physical cartridge to play thru Pokemon Stadium. Or a re-release on Switch.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

its a bummer man - like, i REALLY wanted to play these on my phone, but the medium through which i'm doing it feels 100% wrong lol.

[@KingBobus]

What a great take on this. For me, I have no other way to play these games that filled my childhood with so much joy outside of emulation. But I agree with you that I wish we could play them on official hardware. The convenience is nice, but there is just something so satisfying about playing them in an official capacity. I hope that one day I will get to experience Gens 4 and 5 again through a Nintendo approved device. (I don't count BDSP I want a Platinum remake). Also, this video was recommended to me, and I have to say, I am subscribing for more! Well done!

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, thank you so much for the feedback! i’m getting a replacement pc (my current one kicked it) on saturday, so i would like to continue releasing these on a semi-weekly basis if possible. also, top tier take on not counting BDSP. they were my first experience with the generation, so no regrets, but they lacked real soul.

[@blazingboro5414]

My problem with emulators for Pokemon specifically is that they feel too disconnected. No events, no trading, it just feels like a husk of what it could be with an official release.

[@GreenBeanSilly]

If you have a Gameboy Colour/ SP and/or a DS lite and you want to experience all of the hardware quirks with the pokemon games, then I highly recommend getting a flashcart (unfortunately you will still need a real gen 3 cartidge if you wish to migrate pokemon to gen 4 or interact with the gamecube games, though japanese games are a cheap option). If you don't care about the hardware quirks, then emulate it on any device you see fit (modded 3DS, laptop, emulation handheld, etc...)

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, i think if in the next year or so if there is no sign of the classic games getting ported to modern hardware, i'm gonna under take the project of emulating on 3DS or something.

[@minislayer3241]

I can understand you. Even though I've played through gens 1-7 on emulators and lately even had 2 year marathon of beating them all in order while transferring Pokemon from previous game with PkHex, it is still absolutely not the same as if I played those games on the original hardware. You can't exactly tell what it is and very few people will understand this, but it's just that feeling and that's it. While I appreciate that I could beat those games on the emulators, I will still wait for the rereleases for my future playthroughs.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, i'm not at all trying to say that emulation isn't a viable (or even preferred) option for folks, but something about it just doesn't hit with me, which is kind of a bummer.

[@enriquepinero707]

Despite the availability of emulation for decades; I simply want to own these games with stable streamlined features on the Switch and to have them foward compatible with every nintendo system released from here on out, without having to pay for a subscription, but simply pay one (more) time to permanently tie it to my eshop account.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

if they released them on the eshop i. would. die. best solution imo.

[@sfxdlwsrs]

The problem that I feel is that playing pkmn anywhere else thats not on original hardware just feels plain wrong

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

it’s rough - because objectively it is the same experience, but in practice it feels unnatural.

[@tsubasatsubasa106]

I started off with gameboy color in the 90s and currently also have a Switch. I am actually glad that Delta emulator allows me to play old games on my mobile. Currently I am re-enjoying Heart Gold on my iPhone after having played HGSS on DS back in 2010 and the original GSC on GBC in 2000. I actually beg to differ and would say I enjoy it more on my phone. these are the reasons: - In today's world, we are already 100% of the time hooked on our phones when out, or at home, so it doesnt change this paradigm for me. i.e., i dont have to switch to yet another console when i can do it on the same device. - I have one less device to bring out if i want to play the games when i'm out and about. Just my phone, and it doubles as the DS, GBC, GBA, whateva.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, i think those are all very valid points and i can totally see where you are coming from. i wish i could click with using my phone as a portable console, believe me!

[@JakeSteinberg]

I think part of it is that Pokemon is largely a community-based experience-the games have always been concerned with connectivity. So not having them launch together on a platform at the same time for everyone hurts the experience. You're on an island! The other thing is that playing a game on a phone is a very specific kind of experience and it's hard to get attached/feel like you have a personal relationship with this thing you already use for a million other reasons. There's no ritual to turning on your phone and starting up a game. Nintendo consoles are literally made to fit into your life in this exact way. So yeah i get it! I like emulation a lot more when it's on actual hardware-a soft-modded DSi or 3DS is a GODSEND. And then you can make the experience more enjoyable by playing a game at the same time as a friend or doing a specific kind of challenge that you can share with others!

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

absolutely - i’m one of the weirdos who still participates in the 7 Star Tera Raid events in S/V and, even if i’m planning a solo strategy, im communicating with other players on what mons to use, what moves to prioritize, etc. so even if i’m engaging the game in a single player experience, im still “feeling” like i’m very much a part of a collective experience. the most connectivity i experienced with the phone roms was jus talking about how Nintendo must be seething lol.

[@ToxinInMyVeins]

To be honest, I really don't like playing GBA/NDS games on my phone either... However, I got a cheap emulation handheld recently and have been having a blast playing Pokémon Leafgreen. There's just something about playing on a handheld with actual buttons that is lost on a phone.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, i either need the emulation device or some sort of controller adapter for my phone.

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

I can play all of these games on my phone with all the nice QOL features ( speed up, cheats, etc ) but there’s something about playing them on a physical device just feels right. I hacked my 3ds and it’s breathed new life into it. Just something about flipping it open and playing them on the system they’re built for just feels nice. Maybe it’s just nostalgia but I don’t know.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, maybe if i had grown up using more touch screens (these came into play after i graduated highschool) it would probably feel more natural.

[@davidrisi4539]

I agree, i dont want to have to emulate or use cheats somehow to evolve pokemon that require trades. Gamefreak and Nintendo need to somehow put all the old pokemon games on the switch. Ive tried to find some of the them for my 3ds but they are hard to find and incredibly expensive for some of them.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

even if they put them on NSO without home connect-ability and allowed you to trade between systems, that would be acceptable to me. and then you could also move your team into the Pokemon Colosseum games.

[@nickk6645]

You don't need to use cheats to evolve trade pokemon because multiple emulators support multiplayer. Even if it didn't support multiplayer, you can transfer the save file effortlessly and then just transfer it back.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

@@nickk6645 i had no idea!

[@alexsavering3818]

There IS a modern gaming system that plays these classic Pokemon titles: the Analogue Pocket. This is definitively the absolute best way to play GB, GBC, and GBA games. It can play physical cartridges, or you can load up an sd card with your favorite roms and play it that way. The only downside is that it'll run you 200 bucks and it is not always readily in stock. It is worth every penny.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, maybe Christmas is when i pull the trigger on this thing, its the most recommended console i hear about lol.

[@greenprotag]

Well it's an interesting view point to be sure. There is a "middle" ground where you invest in a nice dedicated emulation handheld with some nice physical controls and have a more enjoyable experience. A nice device that can easily run GB, GBC, and GBA can be had under $100 and in some cases even right around $50 and give a VERY playable experience. Miyoo mini, RG35xx or RG28xx are fairly solid entry level consoles that will give an enjoyable experience for fairly cheap price.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i’m really considering investing in one of these and doing a follow-up video down the road, to see if the medium through which i play these games really impacts the experience.

[@melodywhispersong9541]

My 3DS is modded to be able to run the classic games. I still own gen 1-5 physically

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

Modded 3DS's are the way!

[@dux5525]

So, the problem with emulation is not being able to use the hardware to access certain parts of the game. If you emulate HGSS, you can't use the Pokéwalker. If you emulate Skylanders, you can't play it because you need the hardware to play the game at all.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

right - i guess it might be picky on my part, but i just don’t want to compromise unless i have to.

[@thomasrobinson8884]

You connect a controller to your phone or iPad and screen cast it to your tv. Especially with delta now it’s very easy to play in a more classic way at home. I will usually play ds emulated games with the top screen on the tv and my IPad as the touch screen.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

daggum, that might be the way to go.

[@Kirii86]

Choose to play them or not. I'm just happy we all have the option to choose now.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

absolutely! more options and choices is only a good thing!

[@madlilpony2768]

The thing I hate about emulators is that you can't trade with your friends because it's a reproduction and not the real thing like I can't trade with my friend who has a legit copy of Ruby and Sapphire because it's and emulation

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i think that's what's getting me - i don't mind playing through the games, but trading and completing the dex is something i really love about the Pokemon experience.

[@200cfu]

i don’t like touch screen buttons, so i can’t play them on my phone. they make these emulation devices with buttons (anbernic, miyoo, etc.) that make playing these games feel so much nicer

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i don't either - i think if the games were fully supported by Pokemon, I would get a dedicated controller attachment for my phone.

[@dreamshadows88]

Seconding this, my anbernic rg351m has become the perfect GBA I've always wanted

[@SamualN]

I decided that I want to try and complete a national living dex in the gen 3 games since I've never played through any of those games and it'll give me a reason to experience the sevii islands and play the gamecube spinoff games to try and scrape together all the otherwise unavailable gen 2 pokemon. to start with I'm playing though LeafGreen on my DSi with custom firmware. the experience on my DSi has been really good since you can have a nice small device with tactile buttons and a backlit screen. that might be the experience you are looking for and I recommend it

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, please let me know how that goes - i've completed the dex for Let's Go, Sw/Sh, Arceus, BD/SP, and S/V, but never attempted a living dex! that sounds super rewarding!

[@SamualN]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk will do!

[@somebodysome7240]

I think is more of a hands on/feeling type of gaming. Like just having the feeling of a GBA on your hand where you're only limited to just playing the game but on the phone you can do whatever you want. Or just not having that nostalgic literal feeling of it. That's just kinda how i see it but hey, at least it's free.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i absolutely think buttons and controller feel are more important than we give them credit for. and yeah, i think a big part of the problem is i would go from scrolling TikTok (for real, RIP) or doing my online banking or whatever to trying to play Pokemon Emerald and it’s just not a very immersive way to play them since i literally CAN do anything else on my phone. these games sing on dedicated hardware.

[@mrsuperheatran2794]

The best controller for it, in my opinion is the Super Nintendo controller. I ordered the NSO controller and it's been phenomenal on Switch and on fan-made emulators.

[@SuperNickid]

@Upstairs Downstairs Game Talk: Emulation is legal however downloading Rom is illegal from a public website except if the company that does game belong to allows it. So if you Download an emulator that have all does Rom pre-build and it is a public website and the game devloper for does game never green lite does then that type of emulation is illegal since something illegal is involve within it. Download the game from non-public source but you must also have the original copy or play it legit some other way, or else that is kept illegal, the do it yourself metho is legal but not in Japan starting Janurary 2019 (in Japan anything you buy you don't own even a physical object, even food this is why a lot of people are starving in Japan) and not in Europe maybe just England because I heard that in the UK they pay for the Nintendo online services but their cloud data save is disable for every game since it is illegal to back-up save file in their region or country, and Nintendo does not make the payed online services cheaper for them because they don't have access to the back up save.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, there are some points to that that are new to me! i think emulating and distributing currently accessible software is questionable since in theory you would be able to purchase the games, but if a game is simply no longer being sold by the developer/publisher, it would be wild if they took legal action against the individual. i totally understand what you are saying tho.

[@RAHelllord]

Do you have any sources about Japanese people not owning the things they buy, and that the UK supposedly doesn't have cloud backups for NSO? Because I can't find any evidence that those outrageous claims are true in any form. However you are right that distribution and unlawful acquiring of copyrighted materials are illegal in most nations, and that is even true when those products are no longer being sold by the original creator. In most western countries all created works that have been "created" are copyrighted for 75 years from the date of creation, or 75 years starting from the death of the creator (details vary slightly). Beyond that usually it's still illegal to download a copy even if you own a license/ physical copy for the game, as the law doesn't care. Dumping your own roms are also often illegal as circumventing copyright protections might be illegal as well. Last but not least abandon ware is not a legally recognized category of any kind, software that's either abandoned because the creators no longer exist or hasn't been updated / sold / offered in ages, is still covered fully by all laws. However if no entity exists that is legally allowed to file the copyright right suit then technically the law can't be enforced, making it still technically illegal but consequence free.

[@anny8720]

To be clear emulation isn't really legal, we have no law that applies to emulation specifically, it just exists in a legal grey area created by precedent from 2 major lawsuits where no video game company really wants to rock the boat with since it could go either way in or against their favor. That's why they mostly just ceast and desist and threaten lawsuits but don't actually pursue them and allow the emulator devs to settle like yuzu's devs did. You can watch the moon channel's videos on the dolphin and yuzu emulators for more detail abt emulation's legality, he's a lawyer.

[@SuperVini310]

I have downloaded not just roms, but entire anime, movies and manga over the course of my life and have never been arrested for it. From what I understand, it's only illegal if you profit from it (hence why stores that sell bootleg DVDs in Brazil get taken down, but they people who bought these DVDs suffer no punishment).

[@SuperNickid]

@RAHelllord: The one in Japan was a news artical that was translated from Japanese to English, and the law of what you buy you don't own was only affective in Janurary 2019 and it specified game console, cell phone, TV. It will be to difficult for me to find that artical again since it was release in 2018, so even if I remember the web site that I did found it. I would have to scroll down 6 years worth of artical before I can find it. And a bloger that used to live in Japan at does time did say they have a higher situation where people are starving, and that could be prove that it extend to food as well. On The Europe it was just a commenter that says in his country it is illegal to back-up your game and he did say U.K. he did not specified if it was the cloud save or the other way, so maybe in the U.K. it is only illegal to back-up the game if it is done outside the game console, since another video of someone from U.K. did have cloud save, unless he was not using a Europe account for the cloud save.

[@yamchum]

my problem is that if you love these games enough to buy physical copies you arent supporting the developer, youre supporting a 3rd party sellers long term valuation of the game. if i decided to start playing emerald today nintendo will make the same amount whether i emulate or pay $200 for a hard copy. retro emulation hurts resellers far more than it does nintendo. when i emulated i used an 8bitdo bluetooth snes controller, im not sure if the iphone app can sync with a controller but it was miles better than touch controls

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

oh yeah man, i'm not about to drop triple digit dollars on a copy of Heart Gold. but the phone still feels yucky even now.

[@eyesofdeathperception6730]

I don't mind these Pokémon games coming to the switch. But what I REALLY do mind is them coming to the online Gameboy service. I absolutely despise how Nintendo handled this, and I genuinely believe this has to be one of the worse decisions they've made. I should be able to buy these ported games and keep it for myself. I shouldn't have to pay a yearly service for it. I'm someone who highly values preservation of games. So whenever I see a company handle it in a way that feels anti-preservation, I get very irritated. It's Nintendo once again trying to forcefully control the way players play their games.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i think i agree with the overall premise - in the same way that nintendo shut down the 3DS eShop, but at least then folks had a chance to purchase the games to keep. i think ultimately i’d want to be able to purchase a physical collection, and maybe that’s the way they’ll go one day.

[@officialmonkeeg]

We should've had OG pokemon games on switch a long time ago. Idk why it hasnt happened yet and as an iOS user myself I agree completely with you. I cant bring myself to play them on my phone. I cant really explain why but it just doesnt give me the feeling I am looking for and tbh lol I dont even know what that feeling is. All I know is that I have an overwhelming desire to avoid pokemon emulation on my phone.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

glad i’m not alone on this - it was such a bummer to come to the realization i didn’t have the drive to play through them now that i can access them so easily. maybe one day, if Mr. Pokemon and Mr. Nintendo ordain it, we’ll be able to play this on dedicated hardware!

[@namelessbag]

Just emulate the damn thing. Stop supporting greedy companies, the devs already got paid.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

but i don’t wanna

[@namelessbag]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk Well, then keep paying for those garbage online subscriptions that don't even give you the games that you want. How else is Nintendo going to get money to fund lawsuits to shut down emulators and rom websites that feature the content that you do want?

[@leongamez7785]

@@namelessbagwhat if you don’t want to pirate?

[@namelessbag]

@@leongamez7785 Then that's a YOU problem. You shat on the bed, now sleep on it.

[@phorchybug3286]

I'd see emerald being the most realistic option. For the Wii U ages that is.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i. would. die.

[@TheFreakJessie]

Ever since I modded my 2ds XL i been playing every GBA game in North America. Some are awesome, some I dont understand the controls, and some are terrible. Who knows? I might make a rank video of every GBA game release in America.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

sorry for the delayed response! man, that sounds like an INSANE journey, i hope you end up putting that vid together! please let me know if you do!

[@TaLeng2023]

What you use to emulate NDS on your phone?

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, i've since deleted the app, but i think it was Delta? i only have an iPhone SE, so the screen size was really unforgiving for the dual displays.

[@zidkins]

Everyone know it’s a compromise if you like it play it if not don’t, no one cares. If anything it introduced emulation to a lot of casual players which they can hopefully emulate on PC or home brew their consoles or use flash carts. This way they will ascend to the greatest plane of existence and play on original hardware with no compromise.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

oh i agree, like i said, i think emulation is a good thing. i just wish i could enjoy it more in this format.

[@logosgaming1987]

I got myself a backbone controller for Christmas, and it works perfectly on Delta

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, maybe not for pokemon, but i can see myself getting on in the future for other titles. it seems like a good pairing with the app.

[@eduardowhiteknight6110]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalkI use a ps5 controller on the delta app playing black 2

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, that's very smart - i'm gonna do some digging into this.

[@logosgaming1987]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk it’s awesome!!!

[@_GLXC]

Personally I prefer playing rom hacks because I've already played a lot of the mainline pokemon games. I had someone really push to use controllers with the emulator, but personally that defeats the purpose of it being on my phone. If I'm going to emulate these games, I might as well just hack my switch and play them on that. The reason I don't want to use a switch is specifically because it's less convenient than using my phone. Personally though I never related to the community aspect of connecting to others to play pokemon. I always was either never able to get someone else to play with me as a kid, or felt that the online interactions in pokemon games was just superficial.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i can see that - i think if i had a history with these games, it would be cool to see what rom hacks are out there and what changes/enhancements they made. and i can 100% relate about not finding others to play/trade with as a kid, was near impossible in my school.

[@megaman37456]

There's so many advantages to emulating pokemon, mods, fan games, save states, quality of life improvements, honest I used to want the old pokemon games on NSO, now, I don't because they'll always be inferior on NSO, just like every other title on NSO. NSO will never be better than the emulation route.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, that is a spicy take but i respect it - i think emulation gives the user freedom to enhance and craft the game in so many ways (graphically, gameplay, narrative, etc). i think i get overwhelmed by it.

[@TheFalseDragon]

emerald is a pain to play without speed up emulation because you are constantly bombarded by trainers and wild encounters and you are limited by money and even if you buy 100 repels it would all be wasted fast, there is no option but to just speed up the emulator, otherwise i cant even imagine how annoying and draining it is on the GBA I get it that playing on phone is bad, just play on pc with a controller plugged in

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

Emerald was my first Pokemon game, and i'm very curious to see if i remember the game through rose tinted glasses or if it actually holds up.

[@HexenDarkside]

Pokemon is a special case where I agree playing them on an emulator is far less satisfying, but it may not be for too much longer. Gamefreak is just tapping their foot and waiting to end service on Pokemon Bank and when they do they will sever most of the Pokemon games from trading, their primary special feature they have. As someone who owns all the physical games up to gen 7 and all the hardware to transfer I hate this since they could have made a physical solution that would have worked forever, but instead chose a crappy software service model the won't support forever. However, the unfortunate truth is transferring pokemon up through all the games is an extremely niche part of the fanbase. Most people will be fine playing them on the emulator because they just wanna relive playing them and when they finish the game they'll be done and just abandon the file not caring about transferring and if they play a new Pokemon game they'll do the same thing as a one-and-done just seeing it as stand alone gaming experience.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, that’s a fair point - i admit that part of my requirement to enjoy a pokemon game is being able to complete a pokedex (gotta catch ‘em all really did a number on me), so the issue of finding them unsatisfactory is 100% a me problem.

[@HexenDarkside]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk I agree with you 100%, we just happen to be in the minority on that one.

[@camerenisonfire]

Devices like the Miyoo Mini or something from Anbernic solve some of this, and at a fairly low price point. For under $100 you can have a great handheld device that plays these ROMs. That being said, I still bounce off playing the games quickly.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i just searched it, it looks so good. i think i would have better retention with a console of some sort, but i can also see moving onto something else pretty quick like you said.

[@thesunlightguardian]

People all want something different from emulation, it is always a sacrifice. I much prefer real buttons, but some games are unplayable without speed up. I emulate on multiple devices but the only games i enjoy on mobile is pokemon. And yes, it doesnt have the factor of "look at this save file, its all legit" because you can cheat on it. But some people want to experience the game, not the community. Idgaf if anyone believes i have 2k+ hours in dark souls, i feel accomplished from the things i did in that time. Its on old gen console, i have no way to prove it, but i did it is enough for me

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i think how we define our personal accomplishment/satisfaction with a game experience should be the drive behind what we play and how we play it - just bummed my preferences didn’t really leave space for emulating the pokemon games in this way!

[@JamanWerSonst]

My fav emulation device is still the PsVita. Its small and has plenty of power to emulate everything up to GBA well. And its got nice and clicky buttons and an OLED screen. But I guess a controller case for smartphones can deliver a similar experience. Blue, Crystal and Sapphire were the first video games i properly finished as a kid, so the Gameboy generations have that nostalgia bonus for me as well.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i completely missed out on the PS handheld scene, i did a quick google search and it does seem like an emulation powerhouse. emerald was my first game, fell off for a long time, and picked back up with Sw/Sh. really bummed i stepped away from the series!

[@buck_on_fire]

Just saw the Thumbnail popping up in my Feed and for a hot second...

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

oh man, i’m so sorry hahahaha!

[@jadon1400]

Same if im playing a game, cause im bored it aint no big deal but if i wanna play a game as my own or for completion then i have to play phyically with orginal hardware

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

right, having it on my phone really encourages a "pick up/put down" playstyle while having it hardware? i'm in it for the long haul baby.

[@jadon1400]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk Yeah emulation just exist for a quick nostalgia rush or streamers to play the game through and never touch it again

[@imatiu]

A bit of info to consider, The Pokemon Company and Nintendo are not one and the same. Nintendo clearly cares about innovation and creating new and interesting experiences, as well as giving decent emulation to older games, Ocarina of Time for example had some issues that were mostly fixed and right now the Switch online version is really good. But the Pokémon Company suck at putting any effort, they essentially see Pokémon games as a form to get more merchandise opportunities and don't really care too much about their quality. Hence why all the good pokemon games are the ones not made by the Pokémon Company.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

for sure, being separate entities likely complicates things - but they work so closely together and we have a few spin-off pokemon titles already on NSO, you would think they could make it work. but your right, i’m sure there is a monetary factor for not doing this.

[@imatiu]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk That is the point, spin offs are not 100% under the control of TPC, hence Nintendo has some leeway to influence things, but they don't have nearly as much leeway with mainline titles. TPC just doesn't want to put any effort in their games, hence why recent games are so bad performance wise.

[@sbcserge5446]

I agree the phone emulation doesn’t feel as nice, I hacked my switch and added all the pokemon games to the NSO apps. Game changer

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

dude, that is level of wizardry idk that i am capable of but it SOUNDS AWESOME!

[@anny8720]

It's cynical but I kinda do feel like pokemon's game plan is just continuously remaking older games on the newest system. With the 3ds online service gone and pokemon bank with it, maybe the next remake/legends title will be another ds/3ds game or that lets go johto that a lot of people thought we might get instead of legends za. I want the older games on the 3ds or switch too since I also don't really feel like emulating is the same experience, and I'm too young to have grown up with the gameboy or gba to play them originally either.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i think that is a valid expectation - we get a reimagining of gen 1, remakes of gen 4 and the start of the legends series. i’m honestly surprised we didn’t see remakes of Black and White this year. but yes, i just want older titles since i missed out as well.

[@WRaeth_]

I already have all these games legitimately so I don't need to emulate them, but I would absolutely just emulate them if I didn't.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i think if i had played them before, i’d be more inclined to emulate them (maybe not on my phone still) - i still wrestling with the idea of trying again on different hardware.

[@-Wisdom-]

I prefer playing Gameboy Color games on the 3DS since the cartridges have artwork that I don't want to get scratched. As for the Gameboy Advance/DS/3DS games I still play them on their native handhelds

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

you are 100% living my dream.

[@grahamindustries64]

Turning a mini pc into an emulation console with controllers and on tv is the winner.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, my brother has one set up and swears by it, just need to do the work.

[@grahamindustries64]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk I just discovered it myself. I’ll be selling my Series S for it, most likely.

[@calder2293]

They want people to obtain Pokemon in the new games, so you buy those. Not supporting transferring from older games is intentional, even though it’s really cool. You are still emulating the games on any digital platform even if it’s on a Nintendo platform. I own an analogue pocket and play games in many different ways on that and it’s great. There are also cheaper alternatives, play on those !

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

you’re probably right on the first point - i bet some study group determined that bringing classic titles to Switch devalued the newer games to some capacity. i’ve been seeing more and more pocket emulators in my feed lately (big brother must have watched my vid) and they look very good!

[@KasaiWolf07]

Nintendo have the best library of games imaginable from Zelda, to Pokemon to Mario and yet they don't use it. They bring RBY or GSC and make they compatible with Pokemon Stadium they would end up selling like hot cakes. I swear some companies just don't like money.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

there has to be a reason, right? like some analyst bros ran the numbers and determined it wasn’t “aligned” with the company vision? it bums me out lol.

[@Irvin989]

I want to play those games (especially leafgreen/gold)on my switch so badly ;[

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

SAME DUDE. especially after seeing the collections Capcom and Konami put out, i know it can happen some day!

[@Baxwell.]

Buy a retro handheld, like something from Anbernic. I keep mine in the same pocket I keep my phone in.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i’ve seen so many of those on my TikTok FYP (RIP) - very tempted!

[@JohnnyGobs]

I have all these games on my Anbernic Rg35xx and I can honestly say I’d rather just play some of the newer titles if I’m gonna play a Pokemon game. Those old games can honestly be kind of a slog to get through. I’ve replayed emerald, fire red, and sapphire in my 20s and yeah that’ll prolly be the last time. I really wish we could get some of the 3ds games on switch tho. I feel like alot of people like me missed out on that generation. And they have a lot of other 3Ds games on the platform allthough most of those are Nintendo 1st party titles so idk.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah man, in time following my publishing of this video, i think my confidence that the pokemon games will get ported has waned slightly but i still think there is a good chance and i'm willing to hold out for it, especially those 3DS titles.

[@lpfan4491]

It's a psychological thing mostly. Having access too all the games at once through illegal means(assuming one did not dump them oneself for the roms) gives you choice paralysis. Meanwhile you are going to subcontiously consider the things you officially have as more valuable because they either cost you actual cash, or you luckly got them for free, which cannot happen over and over. The gap generally closes considerably when one slows down and concentrates on one game at a time, getting rid of the instant burnout from seeing the entire pile of games at once. Source: myself. I often feel like that. Also yeah, phone emulators kinda suck? I guess they can be more immersive than a mouse if you are playing a purely touchscreen DS game like Zelda PH, but that is so niche. May as well just go to a PC instead, that way you can at least use a controller and some emulators even have features to attempt replicating how the games looked on their original displays, which I don't think is available on phone because several emus are still struggling to even run on these things.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i think the psychology of it you pointed out plays a lot into it - having 17 titles to try and play through can be overwhelming and the fact they can just be loaded up can devalue the “relationship” with the game.

[@bruhchannel1216]

the largest reasons for the want of the gba games is because they are so gosh darn expensive and that there are a lot of pokemon you just cant get on the switch. since the wifi shutdown on the 3ds

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

exactly - outside of emulation or waiting for Nintendo to drop GBA games on NSO, financially there is a real barrier to entry for the titles on this platform.

[@bruhchannel1216]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk as well as not being able to transport the pokemon past 3ds and in the case of gba. having to replace the batteries

[@mi4lh]

Kinda wish i could say the same but i jus put 40 hours into Soulsilver over the past month and now im onto Emerald lmao

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

JEALOUS. that's the life i want to want to live lol.

[@gligarguy4010]

Personally I see replaying older Pokemon games as worthless unless they have Home support, which is why I don't emulate the old games. Just give me the new ones with Home support and I'll easily pay.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, i can’t really relate since i rarely utilize the home function, but i can see why that would be a deal breaker.

[@YaIdcReportMe]

Apple plebs catching up to what Android users have had access to for way over a decade now.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

oh cool

[@supermat1797]

I started playing on emulator at least 8 years ago. It's too easy and most importantly free.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

both are very valid points!

[@mrchapin94]

I've been using pokemon emulators on my phone for years. It's because I lost my Game Boy and I gotten to play the DS games as well

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, if your able to get these titles and enjoy them as is, i 100% understand if and wish i could feel the same. that’s so sad about losing your Game Boy!

[@mrchapin94]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk I really do miss the fiscal buttons but now knowing how expensive old pokemon games are so emulation helps keep those games in my mind and then there's the fan games that are enjoyable

[@charleto5936]

I agree but I still find it fun to play romhacks on it

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

oh, look, having fun is the most important part of gaming - if you have a blast doing it, go for it!

[@gunnerstone120]

Idk if I'd ever play an older pokemon game on my phone. My computer however...

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

hahahaha, after trying it on my phone i considered just moving to a different machine to see if that made a difference. my pc just died tho, so the results are tbd!

[@sinwood]

Mod 3ds or ds. Get an emulation device. There are many ways that feel amazing to play these games.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, for sure - currently trying to educate myself on the best way to go about this (buy a pre-modded console or do the work myself) and figure out if the cost is worth it to me.

[@theforgottenmovies3265]

Here in Sweden we can't download Delta to iPhone. When I heard about that emulator I was thinking. Wow, finally we can play on a emulator on iPhone, and it looks so good. But when I tried to download it I was in a country that could not download it. But I have a Samsung too that I have a Gameboy and a Gameboy Advance emulator. So I can play some Pokemon rom hacks and Mother 3 fan translation. (I have Switch Online plus expansion pack but I can't japanese) But it would be great if they could put all this older Pokemon games to Nintendo Switch Online. I wanna use Pokemon Stadium and Stadium 2 like I use this games on my Nintendo 64. (To play my Gameboy Pokemon games on)

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

man, i had no idea it was region locked, thank you for letting me know! and i still stand with my original opinion, these would be right at home on switch and specifically nso!

[@theforgottenmovies3265]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk Old news. I searched for Delta again on my iPhone. (last time was in April) But this time I found something called XGBA. Maybe it take a time to realise it worldwide.

[@okakaaaaaa]

nintendo doesnt sell hardware or games in my country (India) so emulation was the only option i had growing up..... now that i have some money, i bought a 3ds, and tbh, i still go back to emulation, because that's what i have grown up with. so i respectfully disagree with you.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

hey, that is 100% a fair point - if you grew up with emulation, i imagine that would be the preferred play method. great take and great perspective!

[@Quesoblanco6969]

I dont see a moral problem with these emulations as these are discontinued games and Nintendo isnt making money on them anymore and more importantly there free 🤑

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

same man, i think if the companies aren't giving us a way to purchase these games from them, its open seaon lol.

[@cmvgomj]

Everything you're saying is true but the best solution to this problem right now is in the retro handheld market with the miyoo mini plus or most anbernic devices

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

oh, i agree 100% - i think using your phone in a pinch is fine (if you can accept the haptics) but handheld market is really championing these games.

[@oof5992]

>Emulation 😐 >Emulation Switch 🖐😲🖐

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

and i took that personally.

[@Gigglerue]

I think what you need is a tiny controller for your phone. I recommend 8bitdo's zero 2 controller~ :V

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

that would be a lot simpler than trying to hack a DS or 3DS...i might have to give it a shot, ty for the suggestion!

[@Milo0610]

Tried playing pokemon games tru android emulator. Not working for me but wheb i bought anbernick damn enjoyrd it like im on gba

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, i've heard good things!

[@DarkAmph]

If u emulate on android u can even play the ds and 3ds pokemons with better graphics

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

Android is so much more flexible/open to that sort of emulation and alteration, i can see why it is the phone of choice for this sort of thing!

[@TatsuyaWow]

the thing is nintendo emulating there game as well the only different they got server to play and it on switch that it. The switch online the game you dont even own only rent that my problem whit it. That the difference between this and retro handheld i prefer emulating my self cuz it more faster you can acess to cheat and you can mod it (like having random encounter)

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

all fair points, i can totally see where you are coming from!

[@BananaR777]

I vvish they put them on mobile like how square enix is selling dragon quest series on there.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

this is the first time i’ve heard this take, but i think if they fully supported the releases i would be okay with it (not my preferred outcome tho) - would need to get a dedicated controller adapter tho.

[@rockmanfan5104]

Iphones are litterally trash. You guys can finally have emulators! Something everyone has had for DECADES now!!

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

is a wonderful time to be alive dude.

[@cosmicsvids]

Hack a 3ds or dsi you can then play roms on actual hardware no over paying.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

yeah, just need to get one for myself - really kicking myself that i didn't pick up a 2DS towards the end of the lifecycle, they were going for crazy cheap.

[@pancakeboi6797]

I have an emulator console. Buy an emulator. They’re not expensive.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

strongly considering it!

[@pancakeboi6797]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk I do agree that playing pokemon on a touch screen isn’t the same as playing on a console. I bought an emulator last year for around $80 and I’m proud of my decision.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

@@pancakeboi6797 eighty dollars isn't bad at all! our email is on our channel, if you get a chance will you send me a link to what you purchased?

[@travv88]

Get Retroid Pocket 4 Pro.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i think i'm ultimately going to save up for a 3DS and just mod the thing - but, if while i'm waiting for that to happen, i decide to go another route i'll look into the Retroid, thank you for the suggestion!

[@NA1c158]

Thank you. I sypport anyone that questions the accepted narrative of piracy is okay because its a game we like. Idiots bash nintendo and gamefreak all day, yet cant stop playing their games for a single second and pirate woth no remorse. Just because its easy doesnt mean its right. Show respect to the people that give you the best memories. Its time to rethink the status quo in modern gaming. Piracy bad. Dont support anyone who says otherwise.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i mean, if there are NO options provided by the developer/hardware producer to play these games without emulation, i think its fair game. but if you have the option to purchase a new console from a retailer and play the game that way, you should always opt for that.

[@NA1c158]

@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk try that argument in any other industry. Desire doesn't change the law. Just because it's easy and you want it doesnt make it right. That's privilege and entitlement. Sometimes life sucks. Doesn't mean you can do whatever you want. Do it the right way or you spit in the face if everyone who worked to make it and sell it the right way. Process your arguments carefully before deciding to do whatever you desire.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

@@NA1c158 daddy chill.

[@NA1c158]

@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk sounds about right.

[@neilsullada385]

more importanly... why do we care... it's all old stuff we shouldn't want to play old stuff... but we do... because... the new sutff sucks ass... scarlet and violet is the biggest fuck you to to 20 plus year pokemon fans... if they just made new games that were actully good... none of this would matter

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

Scarlet and Violet are a perfect case study for what can go wrong in a Pokemon game. but that still doesn’t stop me from participating the 7 Star Tera raids when they roll out lol. i would really love to see Pokemon take a Mario or Zelda approach, have more ambitious 3D titles while still occasionally releasing more constrained, tightly designed “classic” games.

[@markhunter1993]

Jail break 👀

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

explain plurz.

[@mobious01]

Yeah you are a sicko tbh, if you really want to play them on hardware you can either use a 3ds with a flash cart or switch with cfw

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

just gotta pull the trigger on buying one - hard to justify the purchase, should have picked one up when they were readily available!

[@TesoroZephyr]

all i hear is crying that daddy nintendo doesnt care about you. get over it

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

i feel seen.

[@xIcyStarzz-yz7my]

Not one single person is asking for the OG pokemon games, with over 2 hours long introductions without Fast Forward and Save State. when I say no one, this does not include "streamers". Normal people arent asking for this.

[@xIcyStarzz-yz7my]

The last three Pokemon games didnt even include a form of fucking BATTLE SUBWAY. for fucks sake.

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

idk what that is, but i wish i did. if we got the old pokémon games on Switch tho….

[@DearMonroeville]

I’m asking for that. I’ve been wanting all the old Pokémon games on Switch since they first announced there’d be gameboy games on NSO.

[@lssjvegeta7103]

haha gameshark go brr

[@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk]

that's a name i haven't heard in a long time.