Why Amelia is bad in General

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Mekkah

Mekkah

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Once upon a time I made a guide to FE8 promotions, and people disagreed with some of what I said. They did that so much that I felt like making this video, talking about the importance and advantages of high movement (even in casual play), why grinding has no place in discussions about unit viability and why Paladin is just a better class than General. It's kind of like Pitfalls but not really.
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@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 6 жыл бұрын
hey guys i don't hate amelia or amelia fans, let's just not pretend she's a good unit, thanks
@EdwardoFE
@EdwardoFE 6 жыл бұрын
"let's just not pretend she's a good unit" well duh, everyone knows she's a great unit. Sorta like Ronan and Marty
@user-pp3tn2lt3q
@user-pp3tn2lt3q 6 жыл бұрын
Ronan was good. "WAS".
@lisasemarron5413
@lisasemarron5413 6 жыл бұрын
Think she's a decent unit . better than a few I get early game for my I suppose
@osvaldoalcala9151
@osvaldoalcala9151 6 жыл бұрын
Amelia may not be so good, but her art is way better than the other units
@MrYugioh5d
@MrYugioh5d 6 жыл бұрын
Eh, people like who they like, though there's another I feel gets too much praise for their own good in RD. You know who I'm talking about, right?
@astralm8072
@astralm8072 6 жыл бұрын
BUT ACKCHYUALLY if you use a hack to replace Seth's portrait and sprite with Amelia's as soon as the game starts, she becomes the best unit in the game
@bobbyasaka
@bobbyasaka 5 жыл бұрын
Isn't that just GhebFE tho
@Atamosk-bu7zt
@Atamosk-bu7zt 4 жыл бұрын
i can taste the salt from here.
@someguy6865
@someguy6865 4 жыл бұрын
ACtUaLlY if you use save states you can make your amelia max out everything This is true fact and i have a problem
@rewrose2838
@rewrose2838 4 жыл бұрын
@@someguy6865 Save states are my problem too..
@mirageowl
@mirageowl 3 жыл бұрын
sounds legit
@kirbymastah
@kirbymastah 6 жыл бұрын
"Great Shield's activation rate is based on enemy level" Why game why
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 6 жыл бұрын
i got it right finally!
@kirbymastah
@kirbymastah 6 жыл бұрын
Congratulations
@paulman34340
@paulman34340 6 жыл бұрын
Kirby Mastah It's like IS had a brainfart revolving the skills and balancing them after Tharcia 776, forgetting to add them in Binding Blade, slightly remembering them bit by bit in Blazing Sword and Sacred Stones (Silencer for the new Assassin class in Blazing Sword and officially named in Sacred Stones), and went insane with Balancing them in The Radiant games till FINALLY getting it right in Awakening and especiallu Fates and abit in Echoes. Congrats IS, it took you FIVE GAMES, but you at least perfected it somewhat....lets hope they don't fuck up their balance in Switch (Though some like Vengence should not activate when YOUR AT FULL HEALTH, it feels like a waste of time if it does, and it should be easier and harder to OP characters like in Fates, say lock slots till they reach a certain level, two or three at level 1 not counting Personal Skill and more when a character is pass a certain level like a character who joins at level 5 premoted has five of their slots available, or at least better fix the radiant games capacity system so it's not obnoxious in what a character can and cannot equip, sort of how Heroes prevents certain skills from being used by specific characters or weapon/colors)....oh and make Shove and Smite automatic for everyone not on horse/pegasus/wyvern-draco/golden chickenback, they can use something like CON to make it hard to exploit like a Merc could shove another Merc or Fighter, while "Smite" if they do so to a mage or healer, and not at all to a rider.
@mikesharpmni4264
@mikesharpmni4264 6 жыл бұрын
POR Aether is almost the exact same thing as awakening/fates aether. The only thing that is higher is the activation rate. Keep in mind you can't get every skill on every unit. If you think that awakening's skill system is more balanced than POR's, you are flat out wrong. Awakening's skill system snaps the game in half. POR has only a few notable skill combinations. The only POR skill combo I find to be flat out OP (more so than any awakening skill combo AND the miracle midori build from fates) is Wrath+Resolve. With that, you can quite literally play with your eyes closed while only using one hand. Wrath+Resolve will OHKO any unit in the game. There's a damn good reason you get resolve at the end of the game.
@lehran2516
@lehran2516 5 жыл бұрын
Min maxing sacred stones is like cutting tissue paper with a satellite laser beam.
@idontwantahandlethough
@idontwantahandlethough Жыл бұрын
...a super badass idea we should do immediately?
@wifebeater69
@wifebeater69 3 жыл бұрын
People often forget the satisfaction and positive experience of training up a difficult unit does not mean the unit is objectively a good unit. She's _fun_ to polish and use after putting in the work and dedication, but that doesn't matter in the context of the argument.
@thatguynamedgabestyfy8348
@thatguynamedgabestyfy8348 3 жыл бұрын
True I personally know this feeling as someone who grinds everyone that I bring on that one level that has the arena to level 20
@silvertipstudio9622
@silvertipstudio9622 3 жыл бұрын
Your username and pfp is cursed
@martinmccormick2166
@martinmccormick2166 2 жыл бұрын
Wait so they argument for her being a bad unit is that she starts off as a weak trainee and in order to get good stats you have to train her up..? That's basically what this whole game is, training up units. lol If trained she easily becomes one of the best units in the game, so it's dishonest to call her a bad unit solely for the fact that it requires you to play the game the way it was intended for her to reach those stats. This is essentially the logic people use to call souls games bad because it's simply too "hard".
@edwardking9359
@edwardking9359 2 жыл бұрын
@@martinmccormick2166 In a vacuum sure, but the game isn't played in a vacuum. There are simply always better options, so even tho training her gives her workable stats, other units have those stats faster and don't require anywhere near as much work. that's why she's not as good as the rest
@heroes8844
@heroes8844 2 жыл бұрын
@@edwardking9359 why u gotra be bytching about some training, it takes like 30min to make her into a beast, nice arguement
@Mangs1337
@Mangs1337 6 жыл бұрын
Clever title
@michaelgutierrez7980
@michaelgutierrez7980 6 жыл бұрын
Mangs do a collaboration with mekkkah
@RedMan-vf3ck
@RedMan-vf3ck 6 жыл бұрын
Oh my god I just noticed
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 6 жыл бұрын
man we should think about doing an LP together or something
@ShadowStriker
@ShadowStriker 6 жыл бұрын
+Michael Gutierrez What is Fire Emblem 12 Lets Play
@krakendeamon
@krakendeamon 6 жыл бұрын
nah, we need one with mekkah playing
@frknspacewizardbrett6044
@frknspacewizardbrett6044 6 жыл бұрын
I like to use Amelia purely on the basis that I like the story. Just having this unit who has always wanted to be a soldier and fight like her hero, starting out far weaker than anyone else. But then, despite this, trying her best, even becoming rivals with Franz as they compete to be better in friendly competition, and then seeing her grow into one of my best units as she can run in with Franz and defeat all of the enemies before the rest on my units even GET there! The stories we make are often more interesting than the ones provided to us.
@gratedshtick
@gratedshtick 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you made her a pally. I did that on my first playthrough and enjoyed using her. Second one I went general and hated it
@sterlingmuse5808
@sterlingmuse5808 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with that, but... This video is purely explaining why Amelia isn't great from a gameplay perspective. When you bring in character and story... Well. There aren't many characters that you CAN'T make that argument for unless they literally had negative growths or something.
@feferson492
@feferson492 3 жыл бұрын
trying her best more like being carried and pandered by everyone else not as much of a story of struggle and overcoming obstacles, and more a story of favoritism
@lavos333
@lavos333 3 жыл бұрын
Not only that, if you use Duessel (as you should) she gets to fight alongisde the hero she admires so much! (Also, I personally think her A Support ending with Duessel is much, much superior to Franz's, even if they have great chemistry)
@anafu-sankanashi8933
@anafu-sankanashi8933 3 жыл бұрын
if you dont grind her in valni she wont make it to the defeat all enemies stage.
@IamSalvatore
@IamSalvatore 6 жыл бұрын
Amelia is comparable to the notes my writing teacher would leave on my classmates papers. "Has potential, but needs more work."
@michaelmagnimedia3331
@michaelmagnimedia3331 5 жыл бұрын
Lol why is this funny
@idontwantahandlethough
@idontwantahandlethough Жыл бұрын
That was your paper, don't lie :)
@raynmanshorts9275
@raynmanshorts9275 Жыл бұрын
You took far too long to get to your point. This comment was not ready for "final draft" status.
@LordZemosa
@LordZemosa 6 жыл бұрын
tl;dr being an armored unit in Heroes does not mean that it is a good option in her own game
@ChillstoneBlakeBlast
@ChillstoneBlakeBlast 6 жыл бұрын
Heroes Panders to a certain demographic, but it's totally not the "Movement" Demographic
@officernasty6023
@officernasty6023 6 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Gwendolyn taught that first.
@gespythegreat4469
@gespythegreat4469 6 жыл бұрын
The Amelia argument has been a thing loooooooong before Heroes came out.
@thepotato513
@thepotato513 6 жыл бұрын
Heroes Amelia technically has better movement than infantry units in the game (as long as she's next to another armor unit at the start of the turn). That is definitely not the case in Sacred Stones
@earth1883
@earth1883 6 жыл бұрын
Harvester of Eyes but what's her competition? Grima and 2 Hectors. That's kinda tough to beat
@Skyblade12
@Skyblade12 3 жыл бұрын
Movement in a tactics game is like card draw in a TCG. It gives you so much more versatility and ability to take different actions.
@angelma9087
@angelma9087 Жыл бұрын
Tienes razón
@SSBBPOKEFAN
@SSBBPOKEFAN 6 жыл бұрын
I understand all your points, and accept them as fact. I also accept as fact that I, personally, like Amelia as a unit, and prefer to make her a General. You have not changed my mindset, but you did provide a clean counterargument that was well detailed, easy to understand, and most of all, polite. For that, I give you a round of applause.
@ArnauPuig19
@ArnauPuig19 6 жыл бұрын
General Amelia is a bad character in a bad class. She is more fun as a General than another Paladin, but as long as we all acknowledge what's optimal and what's not, there's no problem. The game doesn't force the player to use optimal strategies, but they exist
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@weepingdalek2568
@weepingdalek2568 6 жыл бұрын
Born2Run Those types of people is what's wrong with the Fire Emblem community
@Expa0
@Expa0 6 жыл бұрын
That's just elitists in general who love to hound let's players and give them crap whenever they do something that may be considered sub-optimal, it's not a problem exclusive to the FE community.
@linuxblacksarena
@linuxblacksarena 6 жыл бұрын
my take on the whole cavalier fiasco is taking team comps into consideration, too. if you're splitting your team to "mounted units and flyers flank, frontline advances", you have to ensure that each squad moves at roughly the same pace, so nobody gets left behind. yeah sure it's not optimal, but whoever said I was playing an already easy game to "optimize" the heck out of it? sometimes players are okay with being good enough, and in a game like this, that's a wide enough scope.
@nykita427
@nykita427 6 жыл бұрын
"Quick video"
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 6 жыл бұрын
yeah that escalated quickly
@user-pp3tn2lt3q
@user-pp3tn2lt3q 6 жыл бұрын
Sure.
@kevin427
@kevin427 6 жыл бұрын
Quick for a general.
@sonic1602
@sonic1602 6 жыл бұрын
Counterpoint: General attack animations are dope, paladin attack animations are bland. I rest my case. Jokes aside, good video.
@rizkim2664
@rizkim2664 6 жыл бұрын
yeah, general sword animation so badass
@darthr0xas363
@darthr0xas363 6 жыл бұрын
What do you mean jokes? This is a solid point debunking the whole video
@celerity910
@celerity910 6 жыл бұрын
Counter-counterpoint: Paladin critical.
@darthr0xas363
@darthr0xas363 6 жыл бұрын
Celerity 910 Counter Counter Counterpoint The General's Critical animation
@kai_824
@kai_824 6 жыл бұрын
Celerity 910 aka Luna trigger skill in the newer games
@givecamichips
@givecamichips 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think my mind could handle promoting any unit into a Knight with 4 move. Edit: Three Houses has opened my mind by making every single unit promote into a 4 move unit once, and making Magic users stay a 4 move for 80% of the game.
@samkeiser9776
@samkeiser9776 3 жыл бұрын
I also love that in 3 houses, you can train anyone for knight certification early game, and it just gives them a substantial increase to their def to the point of it being bonkers. At least in early game.
@blunderbus2695
@blunderbus2695 6 жыл бұрын
Guys Everyone's ignoring the most important reason why Amelia is bad Seth exists
@adrianlombardo83
@adrianlombardo83 6 жыл бұрын
Flash-Flire I agree
@philiphunt-bull5817
@philiphunt-bull5817 5 жыл бұрын
CONPAREING CARACTERS IS A PITFALL
@damiendristig2263
@damiendristig2263 5 жыл бұрын
Mason Abney since when could you only field seth once?
@damiendristig2263
@damiendristig2263 5 жыл бұрын
@Mason Abney ah i thought you were mixing seth up with orson since orson is only usable in one chapter.
@skeletonwar4445
@skeletonwar4445 5 жыл бұрын
@Mason Abney This problem can be alleviated by hacking the game to make every single unit Seth.
@febrasko
@febrasko 5 жыл бұрын
"amelia is bad" *shows footage of amelia with 100% growths*
@michaelmagnimedia3331
@michaelmagnimedia3331 5 жыл бұрын
Look at her base stat and try the same joke again
@mechanicalmacbook
@mechanicalmacbook 3 жыл бұрын
bored RNGod playthrough at least its what mekkah said
@silvertipstudio9622
@silvertipstudio9622 3 жыл бұрын
Not very good companion footage
@MJSGamingSanctuary
@MJSGamingSanctuary 3 жыл бұрын
​@@silvertipstudio9622 and thats why "recruit" rank units are poor examples of bad stat growths as the constant counter argument is you the player are probably just too impatient to take the time level them up. Thus ya don't bother leveling them or you are so impatient you just get them killed as soon as you meet them. >.>
@CatManThree
@CatManThree 6 жыл бұрын
Personal Expierence Never Is Substantial
@therapeface4153
@therapeface4153 6 жыл бұрын
iVery Agree Great Intuition Nice Anottation that was really forced holy fuck
@ElJags
@ElJags 6 жыл бұрын
PENIS
@ChillstoneBlakeBlast
@ChillstoneBlakeBlast 5 жыл бұрын
Factual Utopias Can't Kneel
@lanceran8964
@lanceran8964 5 жыл бұрын
So This Observation Problem
@brennanschrader3608
@brennanschrader3608 5 жыл бұрын
Buddy just said his dick is small and nobody said anything
@voraminfantes5264
@voraminfantes5264 4 жыл бұрын
I know this is an old video, but everytime KZbin recommends it, I laugh at the title and click the video. Like that is a god tier title, in general.
@IdiotMK-THESEQUEL
@IdiotMK-THESEQUEL 6 жыл бұрын
Mangs said luck is best stat, so I'm going to use all three trainees for no consistent reason
@lisasemarron5413
@lisasemarron5413 6 жыл бұрын
Idiot MK-1000 2: THE SEQUEL don't listen to mangs
@logansmith2703
@logansmith2703 6 жыл бұрын
Idiot MK-1000 2: THE SEQUEL Mangs pitfall
@_GLXC
@_GLXC 6 жыл бұрын
yo luck is op dude. you can like, avoid crits n' shit
@lisasemarron5413
@lisasemarron5413 6 жыл бұрын
_GLXC and give crit boost . either way its a useful stat but the others help out better
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 6 жыл бұрын
itndoesnt give critboost in most of the games tho
@Maroxad
@Maroxad 3 жыл бұрын
Amelia's greatest strength is her aesthetic, especially as a Paladin. She just looks cool. But combatwise, she is just too much work.
@michaelgum97
@michaelgum97 Жыл бұрын
I'm sad that her hair doesn't flow in her Paladin crit animations, but her ponytail as a Cavalier looks nice.
@unstablepc5913
@unstablepc5913 6 жыл бұрын
As someone who has the superior vantage of a centrist, you're all wrong. Great Knight Amelia is the best.
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 6 жыл бұрын
there's always one of those
@deskita
@deskita 6 жыл бұрын
I used a great knight in FE8 once and regretted it, they're supposed to be the best of both but feel like the worst of both, only 6 move and harsh movement penalties. I also dislike the fact that chapter 15 (Eirika) has Duessel on the other side of the desert. He's going nowhere fast.
@unstablepc5913
@unstablepc5913 6 жыл бұрын
xviex200 I was joking, but for the sake of discussion... I would say that Great Knights are better than Generals. The 1-3 DEF lost from general isin't as significant as the 1 MOV. This being said, I don,t really have much experience with Sacred Stones, but a lot of experience with Great Knights in Conquest where they're definitely much stronger.
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 6 жыл бұрын
Oh GK is definitely better than General.
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 6 жыл бұрын
well yea? better movement and three weapons lol
@NinjaSox7
@NinjaSox7 5 жыл бұрын
0:48 imagine thinking paladins are bad lmao
@moonmelons
@moonmelons 4 жыл бұрын
I mean back in like 2005-2007 general consensus was that General >> Great Knight >> Paladin and that Seth was low-tier prepromote trash. Dark times.
@UrinalPissbert
@UrinalPissbert 3 жыл бұрын
@@moonmelons during that time 7yr old me solod the game with seth as almost everyone else died. I was an Elitist back then
@avocado1845
@avocado1845 3 жыл бұрын
I literally spent 5 minutes of my life laughing at that fool.
@arentr9024
@arentr9024 3 жыл бұрын
Back then, Generals were usually suggested. I remember doing that but never got the opportunity to use them since they're slow as fuck.
@Ragnamune
@Ragnamune 6 жыл бұрын
*(Casually hides capped General Amelia with Swiftsole)*
@xuanathan
@xuanathan 6 жыл бұрын
Ragnamune *Casually hides capped Hero Ross, and Shadowgift Sage Ewan*
@MasamuneVIII
@MasamuneVIII 6 жыл бұрын
Ross is actually good though.
@therapeface4153
@therapeface4153 6 жыл бұрын
>hero >ross boi
@rip3
@rip3 6 жыл бұрын
-at least he isn't a warrior-
@darthnox125
@darthnox125 6 жыл бұрын
That is a waste of boots
@BAIGAMING
@BAIGAMING 6 жыл бұрын
Seriously the title and thumbnail are amazing, I've never had such a good laugh in a while, thank you!
@BumroyV2
@BumroyV2 6 жыл бұрын
Is this gonna be a regular thing? You making 20+ minute videos going into detail about why people are wrong? 'Cause that sounds awesome.
@MarsofAritia
@MarsofAritia 6 жыл бұрын
isn't that what the whole pitfalls series is lol?
@aperson6505
@aperson6505 6 жыл бұрын
>Paladin should have an avoidance skill to patch up their deficiencies [Comment Pre-video] ... Such as? They are ridiculous units since they are strong on all fronts. High Mov, good offence, usually good defensive stats...
@obichukwu8321
@obichukwu8321 6 жыл бұрын
That user claimed that Paladin < General, neevr explained why at all while pretending it was an obvious conclusion, and then claimed they needed "Swift", a 100% dodge chance skill that procs like Great Shield. Of course, he failed to realize that a) It'd proc off of enemy level which is embarassing, b) It wouldn't matter since Paladins would just 1-round the enemy and have no defensive issues either, and c) Paladins ALREADY have a unique skill shared with all other mounted units. It's called "Canto".
@kentknightofcaelin4537
@kentknightofcaelin4537 5 жыл бұрын
This is also literally the same thing as great shield
@xuanathan
@xuanathan 5 жыл бұрын
I mean, that would be great! Lets just pretend Paladins are bad, so some poor sod making a rom hack buffs them to the sky! We can use the better class and get treated like we’re using the worse!
@ThatWanderingDude
@ThatWanderingDude 2 жыл бұрын
Amelia is awesome, her speedwings really help out my other actual good units.
@redliteyt
@redliteyt 6 жыл бұрын
When you're better in Heroes = Amelia When you're worse in Heroes = Seth
@Atamosk-bu7zt
@Atamosk-bu7zt 4 жыл бұрын
when you're still godtier in heroes = lyndis spam
@corn4618
@corn4618 4 жыл бұрын
@@Atamosk-bu7zt lyn?good in her own game? LMFAO
@blackpants7385
@blackpants7385 4 жыл бұрын
@@corn4618 They said "godtier", which is even weirder.
@-rlmn
@-rlmn 4 жыл бұрын
@@corn4618 she sucks in the two
@corn4618
@corn4618 4 жыл бұрын
@@-rlmn i know imagine why im lmfaoing
@AFnord
@AFnord 6 жыл бұрын
As for the generals thing though, I do feel like you're getting a bit blinded by experience. Generals are very forgiving units, they can be used to bait enemies very effectively and if you happen to put it in a bad spot, it will likely still survive. Generals are not nearly as good for experienced players, but for a first-timer to the series, or even someone who just casually dips their toes into it from time to time, having a general is a good crutch.
@deskita
@deskita 6 жыл бұрын
Playing through FE8 hard mode with all trainees + Marisa and L'arachel in my team with no tower of Valni made me realize/think a few things.Ross is mostly good and honestly isn't nearly as bad as other trainees. Marisa is just flat out terrible, no 1-2 range on a unit with such poor starting stats is just awful she is worse than all the trainees.. in my opinion. All trainees are very reliant on not getting speed screwed to be good. Ross less so as he has more time to gain durability.
@CheerUpCrewcut
@CheerUpCrewcut 6 жыл бұрын
Ross comes in on chapter two and comes with a 1-2 range 50 use axe that I believe doesn't weigh him down at all. Legit training him isn't that hard, the argument he is good is actually reasonable.
@deskita
@deskita 6 жыл бұрын
Yep I'll agree there, especially since in the above play through Ross ended up taking up one flank of the phantom ship on his own. Meanwhile I had to reset several times due to Amelia...
@oof4698
@oof4698 6 жыл бұрын
xviex200 my Marisa was really good lol. Better then that red headed guy
@lisasemarron5413
@lisasemarron5413 6 жыл бұрын
xviex200 I think there all decent
@jellyunicorn8347
@jellyunicorn8347 6 жыл бұрын
yeah ross is decent, and being pirate -> zerker gives him a good niche in peak/waterwalk and good killer axe critrates.
@evanseifert8858
@evanseifert8858 6 жыл бұрын
11:47 Giving a slow unit speedwings can at times prevent them from being doubled, though. Speed is an offensive stat for fast units but a defensive stat for slow units.
@jellyunicorn8347
@jellyunicorn8347 6 жыл бұрын
Evan Seifert if someone's getting doubled by most enemies that's a pretty big sign that you should probably bench them lol
@evanseifert8858
@evanseifert8858 6 жыл бұрын
That's true. My poor Lilina. T_T It's a moot point in optimal play since all the OP units in FE are (not coincidentally) already pretty fast, but if you're going to use a lower-tiered character then a speedwing can bring that character's speed just above a common benchmark, increasing their survivability by a lot.
@jellyunicorn8347
@jellyunicorn8347 6 жыл бұрын
Evan Seifert or just rig speed 🕶
@evanseifert8858
@evanseifert8858 6 жыл бұрын
But if you're going to rig level-ups then all stat-up items are pretty meaningless to begin with. Although I have to admit it's hard to resist rigging when 90% of a game's cast is "meh" at best. ^^;;
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 6 жыл бұрын
+Evan Seifert guess your unlucky lol! fire emblem 6 game which I got from amazon. my lilina has max speed and magic lol xd and no friend. didn't use stat boosters. heck even my celecia, wendy, and sophia also have max speed as well xd
@kirk3698
@kirk3698 6 жыл бұрын
Amelia is only good for free speedwings
@ChillstoneBlakeBlast
@ChillstoneBlakeBlast 6 жыл бұрын
*Thief EXP by stealing the wings, then killing her with the same thief
@daniel58710
@daniel58710 6 жыл бұрын
You can actually get 2 speedwings on eirikas route from amelia if you steal her speedwings on ch.9 then let her escape so that she reappears on ch.13 with another free pair of speedwings
@yes1667
@yes1667 6 жыл бұрын
Meme_Lord wow lol
@No-cs6sw
@No-cs6sw 6 жыл бұрын
Meme_Lord I will try to remember that when I play ss again
@crystalqueen9711
@crystalqueen9711 6 жыл бұрын
Who? I know that the chapter which brings us our glorious lord and savior Gheb has a unique classed unit with a Stealable Speedwings, but I never understood what people meant by "Recruit her"
@anevilghost670
@anevilghost670 2 жыл бұрын
NUH UH MEKKAH I GAVE AMELIA ALL MY STATBOOSTERS AND GRINDED HER FOR 3000 HOURS IN THE TOWER AND MADE HER A GENERAL AND SHE BEAT THE FINAL BOSS ALL BY HERSELF
@xuanathan
@xuanathan 6 жыл бұрын
I play fe for the satisfaction of killing an enemy with Marty.
@JeffGranja27
@JeffGranja27 2 жыл бұрын
I trained a Wendy because I wanted a frickin pink General and Amelia accomplished the same role, I think people defending General Amelia just wanted a "better" excuse as to why they wanted a pink General. Just admit it people, nothing wrong with that, FE8 is so easy that any unit is viable anyway
@CheerUpCrewcut
@CheerUpCrewcut 6 жыл бұрын
I brought Bord, Cord, Tomas, Est, Darros, Gordin, Norne, Matthis and Radd to FE11 endgame my first time playing a Fire Emblem game. I love awful units.
@jellyunicorn8347
@jellyunicorn8347 6 жыл бұрын
ok but dark mage cord is secretly the best unit in all of the DS games
@that1valentian769
@that1valentian769 6 жыл бұрын
Fool! Radd is a GOD. He’s stronger than he looks! You better watch your mouth before he sends his hell beast for you!
@darthrevan4748
@darthrevan4748 6 жыл бұрын
Radd, Gordin, Est and Darros aren't that bad. Radd can be a pretty good Navarre substitute, and Gordin is pretty great.
@that1valentian769
@that1valentian769 6 жыл бұрын
Darth Revan Navarre isn’t good either.
@darthrevan4748
@darthrevan4748 6 жыл бұрын
+That1Valentian I have to disagree, there.
@ChristoCerv
@ChristoCerv 3 жыл бұрын
Sorting by newest first was a mistake
@xravenx24fe
@xravenx24fe 6 жыл бұрын
Unless you're playing like H5 FE11/FE12 (can't vouch for Lunatic FE13/14), having the highest stats at endgame doesn't really matter that much. Enemies in the lategame typically aren't incredibly difficult, I feel like the games are designed such that you're really just trying to get by in the present and you'll be given the resources to win as you go. This also goes for weapon/item hoarding! You'll always get more loot and between secret shops, chests, and enemy drops, you'll get plenty of great stuff to use. The only reason you ever need to win the game with ANYTHING left in the convoy is for a funds rank, and that's only if you care about rankings. Just have fun, and don't feel bad about wrecking the game with the most powerful items and units :)
@lordtullus9942
@lordtullus9942 6 жыл бұрын
well said
@metroid7299
@metroid7299 9 ай бұрын
The only thing good about Amelia is that she's the delivery woman for the speedwings.
@syxxvralrock5759
@syxxvralrock5759 3 жыл бұрын
If we are playing the game of experience these are the questions to ask: Does your Amelia have better starting stats than other characters? ---> Look at her growth. Does your Amelia's chances at growth make her catch up? ---> Look at how much time required to grow. Does your Amelia's growth take up time you could make other characters do as well or better? ---> With the first pretty much easy to assume, the last two are the answer to why you think the character is good probably. In the game of completion these are the questions to ask: Does Amelia allow you to do things other units don't? ---> Look at her growth How long does it take her to do that? ---> Look at her power How strong is she before doing that? ---> If she did, and she took longer, she'd not be worth using if she wasn't powerful, you would not use her till you got to the point of greatest access. In the game of speedrunning these are the questions to ask: Are her base stats good enough to use her right away? ---> Look at when you get her. When you get her, would it be wise to put other units in danger to facilitate her growth? ---> Look at her growth Is her growth better than other characters that could utilize the same growth at the same point? ---> You'd not want to use a character who can't be used right away if you are running. If a character is sufficient from the moment you pick up, it would be unwise to substitute them. It would be unwise to put other units at that point in the game at danger for her, not that they couldn't do it but because she's not reliable. I am gonna guess in most of these fields she is a no. I am not saying she's bad either but after this it's down not to completion and collection but wanting to spend more time on the game as a whole. Time is precious no matter where you use it. Speedrunning prioritizes use of time in order to complete a game. Amelia isn't reliable or there early enough. Experience prioritizes time in the use of luck. Amelia probably isn't the worst but on your luckiest Amelia run based on what I am watching, you'll have wanted all that luck on another character. Completion prioritizes time in the use of gathering things. Amelia's presence is probably not required to get you to a place of access the fastest. There are other ways to play a game. Like in pokemon you could grind to level 100 in the first area. But should you... really? Think about it... Don't do it... You might even enjoy it that way... but seriously this example... don't. But to say it's a good way to do it, is probably wrong, especially... with this example. And you can really play whatever way you want, but playing in a manner that is not effective and using that as a method to judge a more effective method of playing is not a wise judgement.
@TotallyCluelessGamer
@TotallyCluelessGamer 3 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough I tend to not really bond with prepromotes the way I do with weaker units. It just feels like I'm walking in on a character halfway through their arc and that I didn't earn the strength they bring to the table. The struggle they go through early on just makes it more satisfying for me to revel in their power once they are caught back up to everyone else.
@outrageouscreation6865
@outrageouscreation6865 10 ай бұрын
It’s interesting. In writing, I find the most boring aspect of a Hero’s Journey is the Journey itself. Books like Eragon that spend hundreds of pages of the character “level grinding” until they’re strong. But I actually prefer stories where a character is fully formed and their issues lie not in their abilities, but in their personal goals, mental issues, etc. But I agree with you 100%, in fire Emblem, for some reason I prefer building characters from the beginning. It’s more satisfying to see a character who was weak as hell become a powerhouse comparable to none.
@kevinskyssandbox7610
@kevinskyssandbox7610 6 жыл бұрын
hey, you changed my stance :D great job. I'm really normally really hardheaded and I prefer the "Est" units over pretty much all others... but you really got me with this one. Great job!
@michaelmagnimedia3331
@michaelmagnimedia3331 5 жыл бұрын
Welp thats unexpected
@louiesatterwhite3885
@louiesatterwhite3885 3 жыл бұрын
Amelia isnt an Est though. Her growths are garbage.
@DoPe-ps1bf
@DoPe-ps1bf 6 жыл бұрын
Seeing all those comments killed 75% of my brain cells
@iLegault
@iLegault 6 жыл бұрын
yes
@givecamichips
@givecamichips 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine saying movement doesn't matter in a chess-type game, when the Queen exists.
@Lucaccino17
@Lucaccino17 4 жыл бұрын
I'll admit it, when I first started watching your videos I thought the same thing as a lot of these arguments like "This guy has such a hard on for fliers and high movement," but after hearing more reasoning on it and various pitfalls, I completely understand how useful they are
@grimreaper9115
@grimreaper9115 6 жыл бұрын
21:55 I don't know if you meant to do that with her face or if it was just a coincidence xD
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 6 жыл бұрын
it was the only right spot to put that button
@kujiko88
@kujiko88 6 жыл бұрын
Such perfection has never been achieved before.
@monkeman8759
@monkeman8759 3 жыл бұрын
ok i know stat boosters shouldnt be used on units with weak points in certain areas but tell that to my capped res barth
@JB-bc2ry
@JB-bc2ry 6 жыл бұрын
9:03 Man, Mangs must reeeaaalllyyy be rubbing off on you if you think that 5 Mov +3 is 7 Mov.
@sanae99.9.9
@sanae99.9.9 4 жыл бұрын
He is talking about the numbers of turns to reach, not the number of movements
@asaltedpudding4041
@asaltedpudding4041 6 жыл бұрын
There are 5 sandwiches. 4 of them taste good and one tastes shit. If your really hungry, on the brink of starvation, the shit sandwich will taste fine, but the other 4 will still taste much better. The 5th sandwich will always be the worst one, whichever the circumstance.
@Ghi102
@Ghi102 3 жыл бұрын
I've always had trouble with Generals. They're just so slow. I don't go for LTC, but I can usually finish off most enemies before the Generals can be effective, leaving them xp starved. The only time I managed to have a good general was by grinding him up so he was ahead by 4-5 levels of my other units and he at least was good in a few situations.
@FrogAssemblyLine
@FrogAssemblyLine Жыл бұрын
Amelia looks rad as a general, and I like the way generals make the earth quake. Therefore she's great.
@IschmarVI
@IschmarVI Жыл бұрын
she is great. She might suck, but she is great.
@malkabeth
@malkabeth Жыл бұрын
She does not suck. One the only units you can send alone amidst hordes and she takes no damage or very little, evades mostly everything and one-shots most enemies. Add to that her massive levels, and 65+ HP, seriously, she fucking rips everything to shred. Even magic sucks against her.
@alper9979
@alper9979 Жыл бұрын
​@@malkabeth Have you not watched the video at all lol
@tallonmetroids271
@tallonmetroids271 8 ай бұрын
Amelia is the closest thing we got to a Gundam until the Radiant games XD
@ewanphilip5604
@ewanphilip5604 6 жыл бұрын
21:06 Amen to that sir. I am that guy that likes using the worst units just for fun. One of my favourite character is Ewan (guess why) and he takes way too much work to be good early but he's so much fun to use late game so I'll continue to use him. Nice vid, keep up the good work
@chardaskie
@chardaskie 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how this happened but my Amelia in my first playthrough is Godlike. I made her a General and gave her boots. At lv 7 she had 20 Str 23 sk 25 sp idk how
@misatange
@misatange 4 жыл бұрын
I'm laughing at the "but that means Gyadaros is shit because you have to train a Magikarp!" comparisons because if Pokemon were measured by how fast/efficiently they can beat Elite Four (without using any developer-unintended skips), Magikarp is pretty shit: 1. Has very shit availability cause you're gonna have a Mudkip to blast down the first gym really quickly, and I think you have to get an Old Rod first before thinking of getting Magikarp (reflecting the fact you already have Gilliam, Franz, Forde and Kyle regardless of route). 2. The games without xp share is an especially good analogy to reflect time spent training Amelia in the Tower of Valni (count how many times you have to block the enemy to prevent Amelia getting overrun so she won't get killed). Switch > change Pokemon to Magikarp > switch to a Pokemon that can actually do damage (like Gilliam, Franz, Forde and Kyle can actually do damage from the get-go)
@Project0073
@Project0073 6 жыл бұрын
Spot on - anyone is theoretically usable in any FE game. But the time and effort used to make the "growth" units (like Amelia) can be used to make another unit just as good (if not better), with less effort. Of course, there's nothing wrong with using your favorites!
@devonharris5130
@devonharris5130 3 жыл бұрын
people are still arguing that’s she good because of grinding even though the video literally doesn’t take grinding into account
@jellyunicorn8347
@jellyunicorn8347 6 жыл бұрын
she doesn't get bows as general so why bother
@brozomicki-sothe307
@brozomicki-sothe307 2 жыл бұрын
I was gonna agree with you that she’s bad but then I saw all her amazing level ups in this video and decided she’s better than Seth Growths > Bases
@corentinc.948
@corentinc.948 5 жыл бұрын
Hello, Mekkkah. I am a person that loves to use generals :) - it is just to let you know you have convinced me that generals< paladins. I really appreciate your arguments. Bedankt ;) :)
@Chyun98
@Chyun98 6 жыл бұрын
I was hoping this video would show up one day. I've always been confused to why people gave so much credit to Amelia considering how hard it is to train her up with her awful bases. Even when I was younger, believing Ross to be the best unit in the game, I never gave Amelia that chance because of her poor performance from the start. Ross at least had the advantage of being earlygame. I think there is one legitimate argument to make for Amelia and in extension, Donnel. Sacred Stones contains a postgame where enemies are considerably tougher and where the units with the best possible stats would shine more. Amelia having more level ups to work with make her more likely to have more variance in her stats from the usual averages so it's more than likely to see her stats be at least slightly better than the rest. Of course this isn't the best argument ever nor do I agree, as normal units are perfectly capable of doing the same with less effort, but it's at least something to make some sense out of for people who genuinely find her a "good' character.
@jaelenhounsell
@jaelenhounsell Жыл бұрын
Donnel and Amelia are far different from one another imo. Donnel is a unit that actually turns into a broken character for the game if you put the time in. Amelia no matter how much time you put into them will always be a unit that isn't really superior to most units in her class.
@jaredhoeft2832
@jaredhoeft2832 5 жыл бұрын
I enjoy the process of grinding for Amelia and the other recruits. To use your four course meal example, YOU might not enjoy the parts of the meal that correspond to Amelia having terrible stats and needing careful protection to level up. But I very much enjoy that.
@captaincringe9312
@captaincringe9312 2 жыл бұрын
13:00 I like to give the boots to whichever unit on my team is the "juggernaut" that can easily kill even tougher enemies so that the extra move can help them easily swoop in to save the weaker units in a bind. This usually means they go to someone with high enough movement at base to capitalize and good enough stats to have this role for the entire game. For example, I often give them to Byleth in three houses or Corrin in fates because they usually have some of the best stats in the army and can move far enough to capitalize on the insane extra movement from the boots.
@SCComega
@SCComega Жыл бұрын
Ok, but let's be fair here, the General's animations look way cooler than paladin.
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah Жыл бұрын
I can't argue with that!
@VioletLeFey
@VioletLeFey 4 жыл бұрын
amelia ( General ) + Gerik ( Hero ) = my favorite fronline in the game.
@blademastergames8074
@blademastergames8074 6 жыл бұрын
I love how you tell us Amelia is bad while she gains continuous perfect level ups in your video. 10/10
@phanpy4849
@phanpy4849 6 жыл бұрын
It's an 100% growth run
@Excalibursin
@Excalibursin 6 жыл бұрын
+Blademaster Games Which is why he mentioned her average stats first.
@x54xHantamachine
@x54xHantamachine 6 жыл бұрын
Read the pinned comment
@blademastergames8074
@blademastergames8074 6 жыл бұрын
I'm aware of the pinned comment I was just making a snide remark.
@blademastergames8074
@blademastergames8074 6 жыл бұрын
Also I don't think Amelia is a bad unit at all, but I've been consistently rng blessed with her and franz in all my playthroughs, so I guess my opinion is limited. I do agree Cavalier is FAR better than knightp promotion, but I alternate between Great Knight and Paladin in my playthroughs.
@mareczek00713
@mareczek00713 6 жыл бұрын
IMHO Amelia simply has to go Cavalier - she needs more experience and in cavalier the additional mobility allows her to reach enemies in every turn allowing her to collect it efficiently while Armored Knight/General creates a risk Amelia will drop a turn of gaining experience and I'm not going to grind/take 100 turns per chapter to spoonfeed her. My Amelias always turn out godlike for some reason but I won't be bothered to change my playstyle for her specifically and cavalier class makes it waaaaay easier for her to catch up.
@caprimercenary2522
@caprimercenary2522 6 жыл бұрын
Hello. I've long understood that Amelia isn't a good unit (even going by her highly hypothetical 10/20/20 averages, she's still only slightly better than Seth), but I enjoy raising up units from the ground-up. It's just a personal preference and how I like to play Fire Emblem, so Amelia's among my favorite units to use. I know a couple of things about efficiency, and I usually don't play in this sort of format. But I still think the video was informative and useful. Thumbs up from me!
@GreedyRadish
@GreedyRadish 6 жыл бұрын
Wow! My comment was featured! I feel so blessed. I do wanna say my comment was mostly meant as a joke, but your original video really rubs me the wrong way and this follow-up doesn't address my concerns. If the title of the other video had been "Optimal Promotion Guide" or "Speed Run Promotion Guide" or something of that nature, I would not have taken issue with the information presented within the video itself. As it stands, however, I imagine that anyone new to Sacred Stones searching for a general "Promotion Guide" video will probably stumble upon your video first. I think this is a problem because playing the game optimally does not necessarily mean playing the game in the most fun way. Everyone experiences fun differently, and while grinding or using sub-optimal units/strategies may not be fun for you, it can absolutely be fun for others (especially if it means getting to use the units you like, the classes you like, the team that you like, etc.). If your original video had presented only subjective facts about the characters, such as their individual stat growths for each promotion and why certain paths will be better, on average, than other paths I still probably wouldn't have had a problem with the video because you aren't necessarily advising someone to avoid a bad character, you're just letting them know that the character *is* bad. So, ultimately, my biggest issue with your video is that a player new to the series (or simply playing Sacred Stones the first time) might miss out on some of the most interesting content the game has to offer (Creature Campaign, Tower, Ruins, Trainee units) simply because they watched your video and were told not to bother with that part of the game because it's all just a waste of time.
@d3-ll754
@d3-ll754 5 жыл бұрын
He's not saying you HAVE to play optimally. It's just, when you're making a guide, you need to cover what is arguably the best way to use something or someone.
@Phe0niz
@Phe0niz 5 жыл бұрын
Very well done video, I really like Amelia, but it's the same enjoyment I get from using Susie in Valkyria Chronicles, in these games, I just really like having the underdogs rise, and I think the game being as easy as it is gives me the freedom to run General Amelia without much of a hitch. I do appreciate how this wasn't very opinionated, this went over the fundamentals of the arguments, and how Amelia falls behind due to lacking in the ideal mechanics for some of the better units, as well as suffer from joining so deep into the story. Glad my friend sent me here. *Edit* Not the best comparison, because as the game progresses, Susie actually gets worse.
@Churly25
@Churly25 Жыл бұрын
I leveled up Amelia to level 20 being a cavalier, and then promoted into paladin and upgreaded to level 20 and my result was... She was my best paladin, better than Franz and even Seth. All her stats were so high, she has no weakness
@Uri433
@Uri433 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but that's anectodal evidence, a maxed out amelia, when compared to a maxed out franz has: 6 less hp 3 less str 4 more skill 1 more speed 12 more luck 1 less defense 5 more res So amelia has a huge lead in luck which isn't that consequential anyway, 1 more speed which again won't matter that much in doubling things that franz isn't able to anyway (and franz still has 2 more con), and 5 more res which is again not that impactful since holy waters and barrier staves exists. Meanwhile, she has 6 less hp and 1 less defense which means franz is decently ahead in terms of bulk and she also has 3 less str which is way more meaningful than the other leads amelia had. This is, again, ignoring the fact that franz is usable from the moment you get him and he has pretty much perfect availability, compared to amelia being useless when she joins, joining later than him and having to go through aaaaall this hassle of training just to end up with a unit that's still worse than franz in the end lmao. You say she has no weakness because you, like all other trainee lovers, completely ignore the fact you need to slog down and baby her immensely just for her to start being somewhat comparable to your actually good units
@darkknightmon4573
@darkknightmon4573 6 жыл бұрын
I think the main problem with the different groups of fans comes down to play style. Some people like ranked and low turn count, other people prefer fooling around doing memes and other shit for laughs. I remember one time I was playing FE7, a former friend bitched at me cause I used the enemy mine control glitch on the chapter you got Nino to basically feed the map to her. I've already beat the game before so I see no problem fucking around in later play throughs, but that person was so mad at me for not playing as intended. I've always abused mechanics and glitches as long as its part of the game I see no reason not to use it, regardless if it was on purpose or not.
@Sweaper
@Sweaper 6 жыл бұрын
Play style doesn't excuse unit's performance though.
@nuibaba280
@nuibaba280 6 жыл бұрын
Annnd no one cares about "muh unit performance" it's all for fun and games. People can accept Amelia is ass... She can still be fun to use, genius.
@Sweaper
@Sweaper 6 жыл бұрын
That's what I said, you can have any play style, but that doesn't make a weak unit strong (performance wise). I never said something related to being fun or not, thank you for putting words on what I wrote. And, was the sarcastic genius really necessary, your comment was doing fine until you ruined it yourself.
@quwe8807
@quwe8807 6 жыл бұрын
Amelia ish gud cuz she cuoot
@JaDX243
@JaDX243 6 жыл бұрын
Q Ü W Ë coot lolee = bess ooneet
@Gigamatt17
@Gigamatt17 6 жыл бұрын
She qoot
@AndradeSamir
@AndradeSamir 5 жыл бұрын
I see nothing wrong with this statement
@manuelarocho8131
@manuelarocho8131 5 жыл бұрын
Niether do I...that statement was not cute. Lol.
@furret8456
@furret8456 6 жыл бұрын
We could also say that I , THE GREAT AND MIGHTY GREEN UNIT am stronger than Amelia !
@corgipuss7468
@corgipuss7468 6 жыл бұрын
This video is offensive because it claims that you don't need a superior IQ to train Wendy, which is beyond wrong. I have an IQ of 380, and because of it Wendy happens to gain 300 EXP from every single round of combat. As well as her growths scaling up to 200% across the board.
@Mekkkah
@Mekkkah 6 жыл бұрын
But do you have a Binding Blade tattoo?
@spiceyartif1cey753
@spiceyartif1cey753 6 жыл бұрын
I honestly have to say I disagree with General being a bad class, I see why you like movement however I feel it ultimately comes down to playstyle. I've found plenty of use for Generals in many FE titles, specifically because I like to make coordinated defensive pushes. Nothing is quite as great in my opinion as having a frontline of super tanky Generals, with archers and mages behind them taking out enemies. After the enemies have been damaged they flee, so I usually use such an opportunity to have my Pegasus knights and horse units chase down these fleeing enemies, provided the situation allows it. However this playstyle may not be ideal to you, and that's completely fine. But my point is that I feel it really just comes down to the strategy you like to use.
@kentmichaelgalang686
@kentmichaelgalang686 5 жыл бұрын
they put the trainee units in fe8 mostly because people loved babying the cute lv1 units so much from the last games
@michaelmagnimedia3331
@michaelmagnimedia3331 5 жыл бұрын
Yep fking nino....yeah i did try welp its interesting challenge i guess
@Mito383
@Mito383 6 жыл бұрын
Ewan and Amelia are my favorite characters from SS. I turned Ewan into a Druid because I liked the idea of him straying from the path to practice dark sorcery, and I turned Amelia into a General because I thought it was fun to have a petite girl stomp around in a massive suit of armor. Oh and I turned Ross into a Warrior. Because why not.
@FxPlotion0021
@FxPlotion0021 3 жыл бұрын
Ok so druid is plainly good, with high offensive capabilities; general is meh, the great shield ability is good when it procs and having proficiency with all melee/half ranged weapons is good; but why warrior, just... why?
@stephenclark9070
@stephenclark9070 Жыл бұрын
I think a lot of people did the same. Why else would they make Amelia an axe wielding armored unit dressed in massive armor in FEH?
@KVmusicprod
@KVmusicprod 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for using my music for this cool video ! ☺☺
@philiphunt-bull5817
@philiphunt-bull5817 5 жыл бұрын
I just want to say: In awakening, the strat I used for grinding several characters was the one you use in this vid. I felt like a genius, coming up this that own my own.
@williamq6435
@williamq6435 4 жыл бұрын
I tried to use Amelia on a hard mode Erika route and she had 8 strengh and 11 speed as a level 20 cavalier Great
@Edgeperor
@Edgeperor 3 жыл бұрын
She got those stats and you kept using her???
@williamq6435
@williamq6435 3 жыл бұрын
@@Edgeperor nah, dropped immediatly. Because Seth
@dawnellecarr1137
@dawnellecarr1137 3 жыл бұрын
This just my luck with Amelia but as a knight
@williamq6435
@williamq6435 3 жыл бұрын
@@dawnellecarr1137 let me link you a useful vid on amelia: kzbin.info/www/bejne/emWYpmOioc2Fr80
@dawnellecarr1137
@dawnellecarr1137 3 жыл бұрын
@william q thanks that was useful
@ew275x
@ew275x 6 жыл бұрын
She's great in Heroes, so she's not bad in general.
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 6 жыл бұрын
as that suppose to be a pun? lol!
@goop2345
@goop2345 6 жыл бұрын
The pun is literally from the video's title
@yes1667
@yes1667 6 жыл бұрын
ew275x Heroes doesn't even represent a fraction of fire emblem
@jotarokujo4754
@jotarokujo4754 6 жыл бұрын
There are multiple characters from every FE game in Heroes. The statement that "Heroes doesn't even represent a fraction of Fire Emblem" is just false
@le1660
@le1660 6 жыл бұрын
Super Saiyan Marth wrong lmao.
@crimsonsonic2
@crimsonsonic2 3 жыл бұрын
Amelia before you promote her has my favourite animations in the entire franchise
@stupidcat7396
@stupidcat7396 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, I love the crit animation where she catches her breath before poking
@Expa0
@Expa0 6 жыл бұрын
Make one of these for Lyn please.
@mitz2866
@mitz2866 6 жыл бұрын
Roy's still a worse lord, and should probably get one first if Mekkah decides to make another one. Though to be fair they're both very similar Both are overly loved for superficial reasons (Lyn is "but m-muh waif" and Roy is "WOAH TEH PHIYRE SMASH BROS!1!!1!!!11") Both have pretty unreliable growths that can be cursed very frequently Both are footlocked The differences that make Roy worse, however: -Roy spends the whole game swordlocked, whereas Lyn *at the bare minimum of a positive* gets bows, which is at least better than no 2 range. -Roy's promotion comes at the absolute end of the game. At least Lyn can get a couple of chapters to gain some levels. -Lyn doesn't even have to be deployed on 80% of the maps in FE7, whereas Roy has to be deployed on 100% of the maps on FE6 -FE7 enemies are far weaker than FE6 enemies, so Lyn *can* still accomplish something if she needs to fight. -While Lyn's character/backstory/personality isn't exactly that good or interesting, it's better than Roy's. -Though they both get weighed down by most the weapons in the game, at least Lyn's speed is enough to counteract that most of the time. -Lyn gets a better early prf weapon in the Mani Kati. The Rapier is very good early game for FE6 NM, but in HM it's risky at best and the worst idea most of the time. Plus lategame the rapier really falls out of use whereas the Mani Kati can at least accomplish something around the mid and even early end game. -Lyn gets her own mode to train her up in advance. While that could be better spent on raising your cavaliers, Serra and Florina it's still an option to give her a bit of a boost for HM or EM. Whereas Roy starts with weak bases and weak growth. -Sure, The Binding Blade is broken. Sure, the Sol Kati is trash. That's not a good argument in saying that Roy is better. That's game balancing on weapons and has nothing to do with the characters.
@Excalibursin
@Excalibursin 6 жыл бұрын
+Expa0 I mean she's at least available and gets a decent personal weapon.
@neonthero6826
@neonthero6826 6 жыл бұрын
Mitz Why did you talk about Roy on a post about Lyn. Yeah it pretty obvious that Roy's trash tho.
@cowaylon1681
@cowaylon1681 6 жыл бұрын
In Advance Wars Days of Ruin she's pretty good
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 6 жыл бұрын
Why? Lyn is no where near the worst unit. before you say she gets bad str. one she gets enough str to the point of able to kill the dragon. 2nd she is one of the fastest characters who can rival with sword master and win! if anything, he should make hector for being the slowest unit...
@kilnareth7970
@kilnareth7970 Жыл бұрын
It's always interesting to watch these kinds of videos. This just convinced me to pick Amelia even more now.
@chrishunter9185
@chrishunter9185 6 жыл бұрын
That title is on point, Mekkkah. Good man.
@Eliwood29
@Eliwood29 6 жыл бұрын
General Amelia is still my favourite despite being the worst choice I just like the class for it's animations and having 2 in SS means I can see it more often especially that awesome sword
@jamesholcomb9538
@jamesholcomb9538 6 жыл бұрын
Eliwood If they had 2 or even 1 more move they'd be good. Not great but still worthwhile. That greatsword animation is sweet.
@martinmccormick2166
@martinmccormick2166 2 жыл бұрын
lol General Amelia is a god tier character though... unless your luck is soo bad that you are a walking lawsuit waiting to happen.
@anaklumos1227
@anaklumos1227 6 жыл бұрын
wow i thought it was gonna be a meme bc i could not believe you would talk 20 mins to explain why she's bad (she's kinda my guilty pleasure tho)
@michaelmagnimedia3331
@michaelmagnimedia3331 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with that its just wrong when you blindly defending her in an efficient run since she actually not that viable in ltc
@ShadowStriker
@ShadowStriker 6 жыл бұрын
How to justify on using Amelia and the Knight class line 1. You dont
@freelia4209
@freelia4209 6 жыл бұрын
bfo uif you go to wthte twower generals are the ibest xlass jsut remeber mang's sandwhich comparisoon bro
@DiogoJ1
@DiogoJ1 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, you do. And you don't need any tower or random monster to acomplish that. She's easy to train in story alone.
@Saintly
@Saintly 6 жыл бұрын
Diogo Jorge did the entire video go over your head? Sure, Amelia is not particularly difficult to train but that's because SS is not a hard game. No unit is hard to train. There are units that have better bases, better base levels and better growths that lead to a unit with similar stats, better movement and one that requires far, far, far less effort than training Amelia.
@DiogoJ1
@DiogoJ1 6 жыл бұрын
No it didn't went over my head. What has been said on the video had nothing that could change my mind. They have better bases but gain less experience. Amelia levels way faster and catchs up to them in a short time, she more than makes up for it by having incredible stats for a lv 1 Cavalier.
@ravensburgerburger3989
@ravensburgerburger3989 6 жыл бұрын
Diogo Jorge a Lvl 1 Cavalier is bad when you have a Lvl 1 Paladin at that point.
@mycenaeangal9312
@mycenaeangal9312 2 жыл бұрын
Aww baby mekkah. You’ve really grown a lot.
@ryxst3851
@ryxst3851 4 жыл бұрын
i really like the metaphor you used at the beginning of the video about the four course meal, but the way I view Amelia is instead of grading the meal based of the dessert when the meal and appetizer was terrible, its more like grading the meal based off of the taste of the food instead of the ridiculous amount of time you have to wait.
@Vavane
@Vavane 4 жыл бұрын
No, your comparison could be used for like Syrene or others late-game characters maybe. Amelia would be not only waiting an atrocious amount of time, but to be served raw meat that you've got to slow cook yourself in the middle of the restaurant but it's 'worth it' because at the end the stew would be marginally better than the one you could have gotten pre-made and way sooner. And by the time you finally get to eat everyone on the table is long gone.
@SexyOctopus
@SexyOctopus 6 жыл бұрын
Personally I just like the Villager type underdog units. Start weak but have high growths. Mozu, Donnel, Amelia and to a lesser extent FE7 archers and Nephenee. I also like having one good defensive unit for a slow flank/chokepoint holding/wall holding/flank covering but I don't play for low turn counts.
@VicViper
@VicViper 6 жыл бұрын
The problem is that Amelia has kinda shit growths, even in comparison to non-trainees, so she's just a very weak unit early on, with mediocre potential for late game. I don't see how she can be "defensive" either without some massive RNG blessing or stat boosters, her base Defense is 2, she gets a +2 for Knight promotion, and has only 30% Defense growth. At the point she reaches level 20 Knight, on average she'll have 12.4 Def, that's just 3 points over base Gilliam, joining in Chapter 1 at level 4, it's not really "tanking" by whatever Chapter she'll be, and she'll have to suffer till that point with a Defense about below to on par with Eirika's for most of the time.
@zander2758
@zander2758 2 жыл бұрын
@@VicViper gilliam also has a 55% defense growth vs amelia 30%, gilliam at lvl20 has 17.8 defense on average, gilliam will pretty much always be better at tanking than amelia will ever be, also at lvl10/1 knight amelia averages 6.7 defense, which even then it's most likely worse than anyone else in your army at that point in the game, other than maybe eirika and even then, eirika averages 6 defense at vl11 and she has the same defense growth amelia has.
@generalbutterscotch4887
@generalbutterscotch4887 6 жыл бұрын
This video should have just been titled why *_literally anyone_* is bad in General
@sanae99.9.9
@sanae99.9.9 4 жыл бұрын
Except Oswin... oh wrong game
@Edgeperor
@Edgeperor 3 жыл бұрын
And Lukas
@IschmarVI
@IschmarVI 5 ай бұрын
g a t r i e
@professorannefaire7233
@professorannefaire7233 6 жыл бұрын
The reason I like Amelia is the tier 3 trainee. It's essentially a spear using Swordmaster and she has an amazing battle sprite. I love that she still struggles to lift her spear when she has 20+ strength, or when a sword goes clean through her for 0 damage and her "armor skirt" somehow protects her
@CyanLater
@CyanLater Жыл бұрын
Too true, the super trainee class which is only obtainable after doing a playthrough of both Erika and Ephraim routes no matter the difficulty can really make them strong as while they don't get constitution as much, it can be offsetted by having higher speed with the innate crit chance bonus helping in taking out enemies in one shot more likely and also Ewan having free access to all 3 types of magic makes it worth the offset of not being able to use staves.
@AnoNYmous-bz2ef
@AnoNYmous-bz2ef 2 жыл бұрын
She's one of my fave gimmick units. I often make her a General simply to make an S-rank user of each weapon for each class. In her case, S-rank axe General with Gilliam being S lance, and King Fado being the S sword(because why not? The game is over by then)
@the_big_dededester
@the_big_dededester 5 жыл бұрын
I'd say that even if you gave General Amelia 50+ move and also maxed out her con (since Paladin Amelia wouldn't even be able to rescue anyone with maxed con), she still loses to better classes. Since infinite Boots can only be procured in the Creature Campaign, a Lyon with maxed out Con and movement and stats would be slightly stronger, much tankier (having four more res), get staves, and have access to Naglfar and Nosferatu, meaning that Amelia can't even claim to be one of the bulkiest units after all the stars are aligned in her favor. Though even bulk means jack shit if a Wyvern Knight tears through it. Sheesh.
@brickey2999
@brickey2999 6 жыл бұрын
I think the thing with Amelia (or any ,,growth unit" really) is that some players when used to playing say more traditional Rpgs are used to the concept that units that have more possibilites to grow will most likely be the best choice longterm (even if fe games aren't THAT long) which may also be a reason to dissmiss prepromotes as mere ,,crutch'' characters at best ( I also may be wrong with that opinion, I am speaking mostly from my experience)
@IschmarVI
@IschmarVI Жыл бұрын
whats interesting is that these people will then defend their convictions even if they are disproven with hard evidence. Fire emblem has a weird community, sometimes.
@davidtucker9498
@davidtucker9498 3 жыл бұрын
We play Fire Emblem differently. You play to win, I, and I suspect many others, play to be a completionist. I love getting my entire army fully promoted and to level 20. That's how I play. Grinding isn't a necessity, it's assumed. Given that, Amelia quickly becomes one of the best in the game, almost as soon as she becomes a Cavalier. I 100% agree with everything said in this video. I would just like to try and bridge a gap I believe exists between more professional FE players, and more casual ones like myself.
@hajoeijgenraam295
@hajoeijgenraam295 3 жыл бұрын
Between mekkah and you there is no bridge to gap. He acknowledges some players do these things for fun, but doesn't want people to keep thinking it's better
@fedupwithusernames
@fedupwithusernames 6 жыл бұрын
I always made Amelia into a cavalier, I just find armoured units too tedious in the regular FE games. Maybe I got RNG blessed, but she was always amazing in my runs. Maybe not to the point of carrying, but I always brought her with me into the lategame maps. I also love taking a level 1 unit and levelling them all the way up, so there's that.
@AFnord
@AFnord 6 жыл бұрын
I do completely agree with the sentiment that you should not just look at a character/unit for its late-game "potential", but view it as a whole, and I think this holds true for any game with leveling units. Sometimes it's worth carrying a brick with you towards the end, because the brick will be useful, sometimes it's a fun challenge. If I ever look through a guide or on tips for using characters, be it in FE, Baldur's Gate, or Final Fantasy, and it just focuses on the potential max power of it, or even worse, if this is something that would require a lot of grinding that would trivialize the game either way, I just ignore the guide. Sure, that particular Final Fantasy character might be a beast at level 99... but does that really matter?
@joelgoetz1145
@joelgoetz1145 6 жыл бұрын
I do like Amelia a lot, partly because I grinded everyone in that game to full level and max stats with save state abuse (a stupidly time-consuming idea that i won't ever do again lol), but you made a lot of good points here
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