Why Apple Doesn’t Support Your Mac… and How to Rebel

[@AnsonAlexander]

IMPORTANT: LINUX is a very good option for your old Mac if you're ready to move away from macOS. Since Apple hardware is really only meant to run Apple software, it's more difficult to repurpose old Macs once Apple drops software support compared to other, less restrictive, hardware setups but, macOS is built on Unix, which is quite similar to Linux. With a little bit of work you can also install Windows pretty easily on Intel Macs (not M series). I actually installed Windows 11 on this 2013 Macbook Pro as well - video is in my "Unsupported macOS Installations" playlist. Side note: As some of you have noticed, I say "Big Sur" funny. We speak a lot of Spanish and Portuguese in my house and, well, "Big Sir" just doesn't sound right to me... Hopefully you can understand the rest - full English captions as well :)

[@RichardSchletty]

Ha, it sounded like you said "Big Sewer". It gave me a chuckle.

[@abdinasirmusa8777]

You mean the isheep

[@a.lawrence4969]

Anson is point on about Linux. Ubuntu, Pop OS, Elementary, Fedora and more all work VERY well. I've found GNOME as a DE is idea. I will also add that OCLP works great and I run Sonoma on several 2015 Macbook Pro's and Air's.

[@andressantana7710]

hi @ansonalexander , I'm in shock, I bricked my gf computer, i tried to install sonoma, and it was very slow and very rare. It asked me admin passwords (for mt admin) and booting with option ico in password protected. ANy idea. THANK YOU I´M DESPERATE

[@TicTacBell_]

Android can install newer os if unduported, apple should try it

[@peterjackson2625]

Planned obsolescence should be illegal. Manufacturers should be obliged to support their products for much longer. I have just bought a Windows 7 laptop. It's brilliant. Fast, massive storage, versatile. It even looks good.

[@anonymousdonor8084]

I don't think that there is much that could be done about support as it is a financial issue. But what I think should be illegal is preventing the customer from upgrading, fixing, or modifying their own property. Apples lates are engineered to be as disposable as possible. I really hope that the EU legislation forces them to put easily user replaced batteries in iPhones. They will fight that tooth and nail.

[@latinreuben]

Windows 7? Is it Surface laptop 7 that has been getting good reviews?

[@theyjustwantyourmoney4539]

Unfortunately this these tech companies will lobby to keep obsolescence going, were still better if we can still use a device for at least 7 yrs but my worst fears is corporate greed will reduce the years

[@nonsudunk]

It's ridiculous how they "need" to release a new OS every damn year, which is unnecessary. Literally nothing stops them from just applying updates to the current OS for at least 5 years.

[@NathanGregoryAuthor]

I have several unsupported Macs, all the way back to 2009. When Apple no longer supports, I simply install Linux, and keep going. Ubuntu 24.04 runs quite nicely on my 2009 Macbook and does everything I need it to do.

[@oushima6832]

linux is wack. an os is not great without good software

[@antonysmith888]

Same here ^^

[@famousmwofficial8046]

Why not just use open core patcher?

[@JJFlores197]

That's a good alternative, if you know what you're doing. I highly doubt most Apple users have any idea what Linux is.

[@famousmwofficial8046]

@@JJFlores197 nor do they care about Linux.

[@drvoodoo3073]

I'm typing this on a 2012 Mac mini running macOS Ventura 13.6.7 via OCLP!

[@AnsonAlexander]

Haha, thats awesome! Well done!

[@barkmonster]

Have a 2.6Ghz i7 one myself on Monterey. Even with 16GB and SSDs Ventura and Sonoma both have a very sluggish interface even with root patches and boot slow. I don’t think Ventura adds enough to be worth upgrading to and Sonoma is very resource intensive.

[@paulw2743]

And I'm typing this on a prehistoric MacBook Pro Mid 2009 (5,3, 2.66 GHz, 512GB SSD, 8GB RAM) now running Monterey 12.7.5, courtesy of OCLP 1.5.0. Monterey is still supported by Apple until Nov 2024. I would've gone instead for the later Ventura or Sonoma but apparently my old Mac would then need a USB 2.0 hub to be added (fuck that!). Monterey is running perfectly and will do me just fine for now. Kudos to Dortania/OCLP - power to the people!! 😎. Nuts to sneaky greedy Apple, shame on you! Actually, I'm not so fussed about continually getting newer OS versions per se. Most of them just bring another batch of overhyped gimmicky new features anyway, often pretty useless at that. Yes, any performance gains are always welcome yet not usually astonishing. For me, the main or only driver to update an OS comes from the updated or new apps I want or need to use on the platform. Updated apps typically bring much more usefulness to the party than updated OSs, yet don't support the old OSs and machines you want to run them on, doh! So, the order of my dependency is Software : OS : Hardware. The big players in all of those are all pretty much as bad as each other, with the common and complicit aim of 'screw you suckers'.

[@jackilynpyzocha662]

2011, I bought it from a friend in 2018. El Capitain! 10.11.6

[@fshtank]

@@barkmonsterI took my 2014 Mac Mini from Ventura/Sonoma back down to Monterey for that very reason. - CPU running over 50%+ most of the time (that’s actually not good for the lifetime use of the machine) - the OS was extremely sluggish

[@RichardDanter]

One other point you didn’t mention is that using older machines is better for the environment. Even if you do get your old one recycled when you update it is not as good. Of course there has to be a point where you have to accept that the hardware is just too old and slow, but until that point it is reasonable to expect support for as long as possible.

[@AnsonAlexander]

Totally! I actually really wanted to include that point as well but just couldn't bring myself to do it with the 3 screens lit up in the video, burning through electricity. I really respect the environmental side of the argument, however, and wish I did more to reduce my own footprint.

[@anonymousdonor8084]

@@AnsonAlexander It's a stellar video! I am glad that you did not promote climate hysteria. Which is related very much to the corporate/finance agenda. What we should be concerned about has little to do with energy consumption (for the most part) as there are already practical solutions that are delayed in implementation by politics.

[@darylnielsen4663]

Apple should show a lot more loyalty to their customers who spend a ton of money on their products…shame on you Apple.

[@williamshaneblyth]

Buy an android device and then you'll have something to complain about I know my phone's are android n I've had to buy a new 1 every 3 years to get basic updates

[@The_Digital_Arts_World]

AMEN❗️

[@barkmonster]

@@williamshaneblythYou have the reasoning skills of an infant. Accountability of Apple doesn’t equal support for their competitors and it’s beyond dense at this point to keep treating android as the competitor for a Mac. 🤦‍♂️

[@JPS13Laptop]

@@barkmonster I think OP was talking about all Apple products, rather than just the Mac specifically (being the subject of this video).

[@matthewdavisson]

Exactly! My MBP was $2600 brand new.

[@The_Digital_Arts_World]

As Anson points out, Apple deliberately makes moves to force dedicated product user’s to buy their newer products and unfortunately, that generally comes at a much higher cost than the Mac or other device being replaced. Yes, older Macs can be given a second life by switching it over to any Linux variant; however, it comes at a cost of loosing out on software only meant to run on MacOSes. I have 5 unsupported Macs, two of which are MacBook Pros with 17” screens. I love both of them and really dislike Apple’s move to decrease screen sizes as well as purposefully insuring compatibility with second source displays. As a retired person; many of use still actively using their Macs can no longer afford the cost of buy Apple’s new Mac systems whose price tags are astronomical in many cases. Secondly, but off topic, Apple’s move to “solder everything in place” on everything, intentionally forces users to upgrade at higher costs to make sure their Macs have a potential longevity beyond their 7 year “guaranteed???” life expectancy, a.k.a., planned obsolescence. I vehemently oppose Apple’s locking down of Mac components so that technically capable users can perform their own memory, both RAM and HDD/SDD retrofits, along with things that typically fail like graphics chips in the MacBook Pro 17” (Late 2011). So, I am looking at using the Open Source Legacy Updater to bring at least one of my Macs up to date even at a cost of loosing some functionality constrained by older or missing components like Metal. It’s a price that is paid by anyone venturing forward on unsupported OSes. It does not stop there though. One is forced to consider unsupported update vs. buying new equipment when software companies limit the span of MacOSes they will support. I think this is most significantly the case with Music Production and DAW software. i am in that group. I was really angry when Intuit would not provide TurboTax Deluxe after 2017 for Macs running MacOS 10.15 (Catalina). I will simply do whatever is necessary to give my Macs an extended life commensurate with the quality Apple puts into their products. I would love to hear Lewis Black do a Rant Broadcast on Apple alone. I am not alone in my view of the Tim Cook lead of Apple Corporate greed. Ask yourself this simple question. What would you do if major car manufacturer’s only supported their cars and truck costing upward to $125K+ were to redirect themselves towards producing vehicles whose life is only 7 years? Many car loans are now 7 years. Americans need to stand up to corporate greed, and product planned obsolescence.

[@imagesinla8575]

Very interesting comment.

[@The_Digital_Arts_World]

@@imagesinla8575 Thank you. And now back to my new war … a Mac Mini (2018) maxed out (64Gb memory & 2Tb SSD all of which are soldered in). After loading Ventura, half of that SSD is already used and I have not even started to reload all my applications. As a follower since 1984 with my first Macintosh 128K nd all of my subsequent Macs over the past 40 years; I am very tired of the direction of Apple since Steven Job’s passing. Oh here goes the rant again. Sorry. I am pretty fed up with Apple. My next move will be to seek someone out who can increase the Mac Mini’s storage capacity to 8Tb. I don’t give a darn about voiding my AppleCare+ plan when it expires in August. Even that os a trap for fools now that you have to pay for their services regardless. I wonder how they would react to a claim of damage caused by inserting my Mac Mini as a suppository up Tim Cook’s behind. ‘David Bowie’s “Rebel, rebel” playing in the background.

[@jakejoyride]

you can buy laptop with Qualcomm chip Asus Vivobook Copilot+

[@dars1311]

Mid 2012 MacBook with Catalina. It’s been a nightmare since I can’t use many of the lasted software updates.

[@dougww1ectebow]

Upgraded my mid 2012 MBP to Ventura yesterday. Sonoma wouldn't work correctly due to a graphics card issue. But it's running Ventura like a champ. Really appreciate these videos you are putting out. Thinking about doing my 2014 iMac now. Which I my primary machine so that's why I'm still thinking about it. My MBP will see more use now for sure as it now has a new lease on life and still looks and runs like new.

[@ayman2467]

To solve the graphics card problem, I disabled the automatic graphics switching option from the battery and power options on the 2013 MacBook Pro Sequoia 15.0.

[@Ragnar8504]

Interesting to hear! My mid-2012 is currently running Catalina and the switch from High Sierra to Catalina made it feel quite sluggish. It does have an SSD but only the original 4 GB of RAM, that might be the culprit. Or it might be an issue specifically with LibreOffice and large text files (50+ pages) because I haven't noticed much of an issue running Firefox, VLC and a few other apps. Either way, the battery is on its very last legs and I need to replace it before it starts swelling up and destroying things, it already feels like it's getting there and affecting the trackpad ever so slightly. In 2020 I bought a used (and very, very cheap) 2010 MBP where the battery was so bad the trackpad was visibly bulging and delaminating in one corner and the mouse click no longer worked because it was blocked by the battery. So now I'm stuck with either spending a substantial sum of money for a new battery or getting rid of the MBP altogether. I splurged on a high-quality new battery installed by a trusted shop for the 2010 but that was almost the purchase price of the MBP itself. I'm glad I chose the shop rather than buying a battery online and installing it myself because the first one broke after a whopping two charge cycles and the shop replaced it free of charge, no questions asked, instead of me having to take it back out and send it in for replacement. The shop told me that was the only 3rd party battery brand they trusted and installation was only 20 Euros more than the battery itself so having it fitted was pretty much a no-brainer for me. A cheap off-brand battery would have been a third of the price but I haven't had much luck with those in older white Macbooks.

[@thetdchannel]

The biggest great effect is saving the environment. There should be an international law requiring Apple, Dell, and all machine makers physically take back old computers. The international law should require all of them to environmentally dispose of old machines. The cost of that process would make it cheaper to support old machines and encourage customers to maintain them. People will still buy new machines but the environment wins with this scenario. I keep my old MacBook Pro 2009 because I don’t want it in some landfill polluting the earth.

[@senzen2692]

The smart move would be to offer extended support for security updates (not OS updates), charging for it and pointing out the limitations (my 2014 macbook pro's fans spin out of control with the wrong browser). It would be a service no Windows or Android machine could match.

[@AnsonAlexander]

This is totally true, and it could still help their bottom line at the same time...

[@FireFoxDestroyer]

Windows and Ubuntu have this model, iOS has it for free now

[@geoman1420]

All my older Macs run latest MacOS with Opencore and Linux Mint on a seperate partition... My MacMini (2014) also run Win11 on a third partition...

[@TechGameDev]

when mac os will be exclusively compatible with mac arm t all mac intel will be obselete impossible to make it compatible with open core legacy because architecture is x86 and the boot instructions are different

[@jakejoyride]

soon

[@francisco.amorim]

When that happens, it will probably support third-party software for a couple of years. That is, we have something like five years of Intel Mac support. As Sequoia will support Intel CPU, this means Intel Macs will get OS updates (officially or via OCLP) until dec-2027. Third party software like Google Chrome, Firefox and homebrew will probably support Intel Macs until ~2029.

[@jdcv17]

@@francisco.amorim Damn. I’m still on an Intel Mac. Wish I could use it a bit longer than that.

[@desertvoyeur]

I have a 27 inch Mac pro. It’s beautiful! But sadly, not only unsupported, but not even replaceable by an equivalent newer model. What a shameful waste. Why not sell a new motherboard replacement? I feel so betrayed by technology. My most productive software no longer works on the new machines. Maybe AI can produce emulations of older machines, so nothing goes out of date, including us.

[@Scooter30FTW]

If Apple did sell those,they would be so expensive that it probably wouldn't make sense to do.

[@francisco.amorim]

I'm on 13.6.6 via OCLP, 15" rMBP, Early-2013, 8GB quad core Ivy Bridge CPU. Hardware-wise, I've already replaced: 1) the wifi card with an WiFi AC one; 2) the original 250GB SSD for a Transcend 480GB one; 3) last month, speakers and a new battery. It's like a brand new computer. Perhaps in the near future I'll upgrade the SSD for an 1TB one.

[@ashleyvanderhaar1105]

I did the Sonoma upgrade on a 2012 Macbook pro fully upgraded SSD HD and 16MB Ram to Macos Sonoma 14.5 worked well initially and everything seemed ok and then after a coupla days it freezes and has the proverbial spinning wheel of death when it goes into sleep mode or the lock screen is activated and it happens now more frequently than anything to the point that it has become unusable. I'm downgrading back to Catalina and using it for my music playback. Linux I'm afraid is unable to run anything I need or want it for. I have a raspberry pi for that. So will enjoy the last of this Macbook in all it's ancient glory.

[@williamshaneblyth]

There was a major shift after Catalina still my 2012 mini still runs fine just can't get latest logic and google drive app suddenly says is update needed

[@towys007]

Try with Monterey

[@ashleyvanderhaar1105]

@@williamshaneblythWhatsapp and certain sites like Facebook not showing pictures or graphics in Safari, most browsers are now metal graphics driven, I've switched to Vivaldi as my default browser, works great and displays all graphics/pics animations

[@DonaldChapman]

Yeah, but when your brand new laptop crashes every week and you report it over and over (25+ times) and nothing gets done. I'm pretty sure I will leave Apple after this "smooth user experience". Apple has been turning to crap over the last few years. Time for new leadership!

[@joshunboxing3332]

Will it work on the m1 though when it goes unsupported, saying that even sounds crazy because the power of the M series should give it the capability of being supported for at least 10 years

[@christinamichelle8790]

When my 2023 Mac mini pro that I paid $2300 for stops being supported, you can bet I’ll be putting an “unsupported” update on it. Thanks for the info

[@fbi3136]

I was one of the beta testers when Mykola was testing opencore to install Big Sur back in 2021, it was fun being there, seeing how broken the OS could get on an old asf iMac early 09, and helping on a 9,2 MBP. After Monterey I called it quits as I had moved to a hackintosh plus I ended up selling that iMac, Mykola hasn’t been on disc since the release of Ventura aswell, can tell a lot of stories and share some screenshots of old beta non metal patches if wanted lol (it was super broken)

[@jimrogers7425]

I installed Mac OS Monterey on my 2013 (mfg in 2017) Trash can Mac and am very happy that I did. Nice video...

[@pedzsan]

I like how you presented things. Personally, I did *not* hear you say anything to make me believe that Apple is doing anything “bad” or “wrong” (and you never said they were). It’s nice that users have the unsupported path but I think Apple’s tendency to leave old stuff behind is very good. As more diverse things are supported, testing becomes exponentially bigger and what tends to end up happening is that quality drops all over the platform - not just the old but the new as well.

[@SuperDJsEnt]

I used a 2011 Macbook Pro till late last year thanks to OpenCore. Upgraded the RAM to 16gb and 1tb SSD running Ventura. Only retired it because I now own a 2021 Macbook Pro courtesy of my company gifting me one. Otherwise, I'm sure if I hadn't gifted it to someone else, I'd be running Sonoma on it today.

[@adriancarabajal7115]

excellent explanation, just bought a MacBook Pro mid 2015 and installed Sonoma, because of you. Thank you.

[@CagedPaps]

I've done this with my late 2013 15" Macbook Pro. Generally very easy and no issues apart from one... And it's quite specific. I use hot corners and in particular the bottom right puts the display to sleep which also turns off the keyboard backlight. I've tried disabling just about everything and it will still fail, it'll work if you come back a few minutes later, even had it last hours. Other times it coms back to an empty desktop and you can't do anything, you can still hear the audio playing. I've used this feature for years, must be over 15, I don't remember when I enabled it. Now, I did an upgrade... Maybe it would have been better to do a fresh install as it might be some other non-default setting I don't care about. But I've tried disabling any sleep etc, it doesn't go to sleep, the audio remains as I say. Other than that, not had any issues.

[@CagedPaps]

To add to this, sleep doesn't work, screen savers don't work - well, they work but I can't get out of them, have to reboot. I'm considering rolling back to a previous version to see if they're better supported and it has started to annoy me a bit.

[@RocktCityTim]

I'm running Sonoma 14.5 on a 2013 i7 15" Retina Mac Book Pro - totally seamless and everything works.

[@AnsonAlexander]

Awesome to hear, keep those Macs running!

[@77space-vt8wi]

One big change is the CPU heat. The MBP M1 runs a lot cooler than the Intel MBP.

[@RocktCityTim]

@@77space-vt8wi Since I use it as a desktop, the heat's not an issue since I run it in clamshell mode.

[@tomdfrog]

I love how Apple booted Nvidia in a lovers spat and now Nvidia is eclipsing them in business value. I do get from a business standpoint, the R&D to support all these old legacy machines...and their poor performance running newer stuff. And, here, thanks to OCLP, they have folks doing the work for them. Apple could kill OCLP but it is no skin off their nose to let it do its thing. The same scenario is developing on the Windows side. SO MANY PCs cannot run Windows 11 (or the future 12) so now people are hacking them. Though, that is developing slowly as people keep sticking to Windows 10. Apple would love to sell more machines. But they have no interest in making the new machines more affordable and offering a good trade value for the old machines to get them out of service. When my 2012 MacBookPro dies and my 2013 MacPro gets too flaky (both running OCLP), I will consider a refurb Mac. So far, the only casualty of OCLP and Ventura on my 2013 MacPro has been VMware Fusion.

[@Beatles4Sale.]

You think that’s bad? My Google Pixel 4a was supported for just three years! Highway robbery. Btw, I’m on the same MacBook Pro. What I did was install Windows on my 2014 MacBook Pro. Windows 10 will be supported until October 2025. I guess the question is if ten years of support is fair and reasonable for a computer, Macs or Windows.

[@AnsonAlexander]

Yes, exactly. There was a time that, 10 years after a computer was produced, it was essentially completely irrelevant and out of date but, many computers made from 2010 to 2020 can still seriously hang with modern technologies and, the question, it whether or not companies like Apple will change their policies to reflect that. For now, however, unsupported installations or even Linux installations, seem to be the way to go.

[@Beatles4Sale.]

@@AnsonAlexander agree with you about Linux. Also curious if a virtual machine with a later osx version would work properly under a different physical OS. Worth investigating…

[@anonymousdonor8084]

Curious, when you installed windows, did you happen to try any of the updated usb dongles for BT & Wifi. I had installed Parallels, I was able to get them to work but then they stopped and I was not able to figure out why. Unfortunately Parallels support is absolutely abysmal. I have a new MBP 16. But I love having 2 drives in my 2012 MBP 15 which I want to dedicate to AV. What I have noticed with the new MBP is that the internet connectivity and performance are night and day. That said, there are many BT5.0+ and Wifi dongles that would significantly improve performance.

[@michaeldhondt368]

@@Beatles4Sale. I got Ubuntu Linux on my old lenovo ideapad (Came with windows 10s version) and I got the pro version of ubuntu now its supported until 2034

[@ronaldmoravec2692]

When I worked for GM before retiring, corporate policy was to replace computers every 5 years. For past years I no longer buy iMacs, I buy Mac mini with no screen. Monitors are large EIZO color edge series for photography so I need not buy new monitors when I replace a computer. Keep a cheap or old computer for email. The expensive new ones do not go on the internet hence safe and they do not require a battery.

[@nomore6167]

The shift to 64-bit architecture did NOT mean that Apple had to stop supporting 32-bit applications. 64-bit Windows runs 32-bit applications just fine, with no changes. Apple simply didn't want to support 32-bit applications. Instead, they wanted to force people who wanted/needed to use a 64-bit application to buy a new computer because that is more profitable for Apple.

[@portersblackboard]

Thanks for the history lesson! I used these methods to keep my 2009 Mac Pro running for about 12 years. And I agree some of the things that I did as a non-tech person was not for the faint of heart.

[@trevorpsy]

I have a 2010 MacPro desktop running Ventura via OpenCore. It has been a flawless experience. My Mac is faster and everything is a little smoother compared to the performance under Mojave (the last support OS). In short, I'm delighted. It's a good idea to keep spare SSD on the shelf with the last supported system, so that if anything goes south, your computer will still run. Should this happen, you can easily rebuild the OpenCore-supported OS from scratch.

[@danielldelluca]

I want to install Sonoma on my MacAir 2017 - do you know how the battery life is?

[@pcs9518]

Apple has been doing this since forever. They’ve been doing this since I started working on them in the 90’s. I’ve been installing newer versions for people all the time for years now. Only had a few issues but the machines ran fine.

[@alexandermccarthy]

Hate to be that guy, but why continue to buy Apple products given their lack of on-going support for their consumers?

[@AnsonAlexander]

Well, I think most people watching this video haven't bought a new one in a while... but, at the same time, the fact that my 10 year old+ Macbook Pro can run Windows 11 and Sonoma no problem is a testament to the quality of the hardware on these Intel Macs. I'm still waiting at least a year or two until my next big computer purchase and will reassess the options then on whether or not I get another Mac.

[@imagesinla8575]

I still use a 2007 MacBook Pro for photo and video editing. And I've had pretty minimal repair expenses over the years. The $1600 I bought my laptop for was a bargain. I have never heard similar statements about other computer brands.

[@phyllo2694]

I have every apple product since my first one an iPod that I “won” at work. One they are no longer supported I have repurposed. One is just a reader and another is running a program that has saved me a lot of money. None of these will ever be connected to the internet but they are still valuable to me!

[@KittyDeboue]

2009 15" Macbook Pro running Opencore Legacy Patcher Monterey. Replaced HD with a SSD and it runs great!

[@matthewdavisson]

I wish the government would step in and force Apple to have all models have replaceable parts so new OS versions would be available as long as the hardware is capable.

[@stevenrobertson4190]

Will my Late 2015 27" iMac with 24 GB of Ram and Fusion Drive run Sonoma well? It's currently using Monterey which I believe will get security updates until November. One you update to Sonoma for example will the device get security updates for Sonoma or none at all? Thanks in advance for any replies.

[@josephfarrugia2350]

An important question is: how fast/responsive/memory intensive is a Late 2013 MBP on Sonoma vs the same Late 2013 MBP on for example Mojave? Is it faster/more responsive/less memory intense/etc on Sonoma?

[@eclecticculture3417]

I have installed Sonoma on my 2015 MacBook Pro and it’s okay, only issues I have especially is with DaVinci Resolve crashing and CapCut not loading and I believe these issues also apply to newer Mac computers.

[@danielr.schafer9504]

Im up for doing this, but I cant seem to make a usb be a boot loading usb.. is there aneasy way to do this?

[@JimmyScooter]

Stopped buying Mac’s since mid 2012. Realized was throwing tons of monies away unnecessarily. Bought an MBP in 2005, then in 2007, then in 2010, and finally in mid 2012. All well so far. Long live OCLP

[@senzen2692]

My 2014 macbook pro has been "through the wars": changed keyboard and touchpad that stopped working, changed battery, which eventually inflated and destroyed the chassis... And yet the Logic board has kept going in another chassis with a new batery. All that valiant effort only for Apple to drop support.

[@AnsonAlexander]

I know right, they make the computers solid enough to last 2 decades if you're careful and maybe a bit lucky.

[@oximore111]

MacBook Air 13” (2013) from Big Sur to Sonoma. Installation was time consuming but error free. It sure is interesting, but with this hardware the ventilator kicks right in right after booting, maxed out on all levels. With only two 1.3 GHz cores and 4 gb not recommended imo.

[@AnsonAlexander]

Glad to hear you got it working. My 2013 hums pretty loud too but I did on Big Sur as well and I really don’t feel like the fan is working any harder than it was. It’s always been part of Apple’s cooling to have loud fans due to the small physical footprint of the computers.

[@DanialJafarian-n8q]

I did your way to install macOS Sonoma 14.5 on my macbook pro 2017 and after everything in the recovery mod did error and it’s don’t opening my MacBook and I stuck in the recovery mod 😢😢😢😢 What can I do for this problem?

[@porehebdkdb1987]

I recently bought a mid 2015 macbook pro, and I thought that it's going to lag on Mac OS Sonoma. But no, it runs extremely well. Also, the animated wallpapers work just fine. When I disabled features like airplay receiver and siri suggestions, it runs faster than monterey and the battery life is incredible!

[@edyharyanto165]

I'm istall Sonoma on 2012 MacBook pro, but there's no trackpad on system settings, just mouse, what should I do? Please help

[@ElvisAZ]

I have a question about Sonoma. After my Macbook air 2020 M1 was upgraded to Sonoma, my external drives will not mount. I have researched for weeks and found no solution and I cant seem to be able to reinstall an older OS .. Any advice please. Apple has no solutions from what I can find..

[@jakejoyride]

you still should have apple support with m1

[@briankendall1978]

I have a 2012 MBP BECAUSE Apple dropped support and the local community college sold it to upgrade to newer MBPs. I use OCLP to keep it running. The only issue I had was it was under the remote management of the college and I had to work with the IT department to get it removed from that remote management list. It took a bit of effort but I finally found the right person who knew what was going on and had the authority to remove it and it is all clear now. :o) I love OCLP!!

[@jccarvajal8053]

Thanks for your work. I did successfully upgraded my three Macs to Ventura, thanks again

[@anthonybutto1925]

What about, for a windows computer, from 2013? Is there support for them, if I want to save money on buying a computer?

[@MaheshKumar-bg5re]

After that, is the mac secured as it was before?

[@azoparish9376]

i realised there's no point in upgrading to opencore legacy patcher if your sole reasoing is security. Since open core adds unsigned kexts into the operating system, it's likely that it's adding vulnerable device driver software into a secure operating system thereby taining any security holes that apple fixed in the newer kexts

[@hopefulbloom]

Hi Anson! Is it possible with the help of partitions to run both Sonoma and then also an older version like Big Sur?

[@LKirahs]

If you are considering OCLP, my advice is: don't do it if you are getting at least a security patch update. It's not worth it.

[@moow950]

Running macOS Sequoia on my MacBook Pro 2016 using OCLP!! It runs much more smoothly than macOS Monterey

[@RSturtleness]

Went through the process for 2 Mac’s. Worked seemlessly for a 2103 MacBook Pro but on a late 2015 iMac it is giving me fits. Some things take forever to load sometimes apps randomly crash. Could not use migration assistant and had move some files back manually. Any ideas?? Thanks.

[@cnielson01]

Great video….would you point me in right direction to install windows 10 ON my 2018 macmini intel. Thanks, charlie

[@AnsonAlexander]

Thanks! This video should get you 90% of the way there, just need to download the Windows 10 ISO instead of 11: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJmTlWSbnMaGf5I

[@redmerlinn5489]

This is a wonderful account of an important movement in technology "writ large." Historians and philosophers of technology that stumble into your work will find it exciting.

[@MYJ61]

I’m about to turn 63, and am by no measure a “power user”. I will get rid of my Mac Book Pro, Apple Watch, iPhone and older iPad shortly when I retire. Apple has not earned my loyalty.

[@taxineil1]

open core is brilliant,I got a few broken macbooks bought cheap of ebay and fixed running great.I keep hoping someone will do similar with iPad as I've got a perfectly good 2nd gen ipad in my collection that I use for reading books,it would be great to be able to update that.

[@ramonaguitoneau9725]

Same here! It stays in the drawer till the next nerd comes up with some brilliant solution, the whole thing looks brand new

[@real_schlumpus]

When Apple started releasing major upgrades every year I knew this would leave a lot of Macs behind very soon. My 2017 iMac is still capable but left behind while the mac mini 2018 got the latest OS - why? Another thing to consider is that newer versions of MacOS are very demanding and some MacBooks with for example 4 GB of soldered RAM will slow down to a crawl.

[@samguapo4573]

My 2010 11" MBA 128gb works fine by me till today. Love it. Battery sucks though but I just plug it. Not worth changing the battery at this point.

[@ethanconnor-hodges]

Would I be able to upgrade my 2015 MacBook Air with 4gb ram to Sonoma or Sequoia?

[@bojanstojanovic5465]

No you can't, you need at least 8 GB of ram.

[@rolf7135]

Apple is probably not the worst when it comes to software support for older computers. However, they spend a lot of resources and time promoting how green and eco-friendly they are, so I think they should support devices until they are technically obsolete . This might have a greater eco-impact than eliminating leather. For me, the lack of upgradability, especially for desktops, is more annoying. I am not entirely sure who buys desktops these days, but I feel quite certain that they would like to keep a version of Dropbox/OneDrive/Google Drive local. As an Apple customer, this is utopia; you have to rely on external disks or NAS and live with the 8 GB of RAM that is standard for so many models.

[@not_the_boy_next_door]

I'm gonna install newer version on an unsupported iMac. Which one do you think is the best for Imac 14,4 mid 2014, 8gb ram but unfortunately HDD. Sonoma or Ventura? Would the HDD struggle with Sonoma in comparison with Ventura?

[@Thankz4sharing]

My MacBook Pro 2.7 GHz Core i7 15-Inch (Late 2016) cost about $2,300 and is now worth 10% of that if I’m lucky. Progress happens. Love it or hate it, take it or leave it. New OSs use new hardware capabilities that keep them from working without those new features. Sucks, but lack of progress would be worse.

[@blackbonn8182]

Hi there, Apple just pushed a macOS update: Sonoma 14.6. Is it safe to update it on unsupported Macs, since there's no patch update from OpenCore Legacy Patcher (OCLP)? If possible, could you make a tutorial video? Thanks!

[@HairyHands]

all a bit depressing, i love the idea of using a computer for 10+ years as an "appliance" (like white goods) yet it's software and FOMO that keeps computing nerds like me in the Fast Fashion mindset :(

[@kylemay6043]

I used to tell people I like Macs because they'll outlast most Windows PCs, but I don't feel that way anymore. I have a perfectly good top tier 2017 i7 iMac 27" sitting in my garage cause I can't update it to the latest OS. I don't have the time or tolerance for a hacked macOS install. My worst customer experience with Apple - basically bricked a great computer.

[@AndrewGallardo52799]

Dude, get it up and running! it will be risky worth it

[@ErenTopcu]

I have imac 27 inch i5 and resetted it to Lion OSX yesterday and stucked there sadly. Is it possible upgrade to Mac OS Sonoma from here by using patcher ? Because can not connect Apple Store and i feel lost in desert. Thanks a lot for your help

[@StardustOneReviews]

You need to get it updated to El Capitain using the El Capitain installer. After you are back on El Capitain, you will be able to access the Apple Store again. I tried this on a MacBook Air 2013 that I got from a recycling center, it only allowed me to use Mountain Lion, but after I got El Capitain installed, I could update it to Big Sur using the Apple Store.

[@mandrax5472]

I have some older macs which l treasure because they run older software that newer macs don’t. For example Mac the Ripper, MPEG Stream-clip and particularly my Longman Dictionary - LDOCE. And using DVDs which l have a lot of, if a DVD doesn’t work on one Mac it often does on another. I even have a Mac that runs PowerPC apps which l need for running a brilliant business game developed in France about adapting to British culture.

[@ronkemperful]

I gave in and bought a M3 MacBook Air 3 months ago. But then what to do with my late 2013 iMac ? With my 2013 iMac I was able to upgrade to Sonoma using the legacy patcher you mentioned and have been very pleased with its performance. Yes, with the boot it is noticeably slower but it has the original hybrid mechanical/ssd HD. This has saved the computer from the landfill. I do use Linux Manjaro as a secondary OS for that same iMac with the main bottleneck is the Nvidia graphics card that has a less than ideal driver than the patched Sonoma Mac OS.

[@LarsAnders54]

So far I have been unsuccessful in upgrading my late 2013 iMac. It seems I cannot change the boot disk. Any tips?

[@badhombre4942]

Unlike Windoze, all MacOS upgrades are free, so how long do you expect them to do that, especially as those older computers become fewer?

[@AnsonAlexander]

So, a few things here... First, Windows updates are free if you know where to go - not officially but also not punished or enforced. Second, Apple essentially forces their operating system on their hardware. Windows doesn't even make all of the hardware for their OSes - meaning users can repurpose their old computers in a number of different ways more easily. Third, Apple makes very durable and long lasting hardware (especially if you buy with the upgrades) and their main company policy is creating lifelong users so, it would make sense for them to support their hardware longer or risk losing customers - as you can see their are quite a few defectors in the comments. Obviously it's up to them but I believe this video makes a strong case for Apple to set the standard higher for supporting their hardware.

[@danielgartin-oh9ik]

I attempted to install Sonoma on my computer using OCLP three times and it didn’t work

[@chrisrioux]

I ran into an issue with MacBook Pro 7,1 (2010 model): it’s stuck during install where it has these two graphics basically telling you to turn on your bluetooth mouse and keyboard.. And the mouse pointer on the screen is unresponsive to built-in trackpad or USB mouse.. Someone in a thread suggested it has to do with USB port mapping, which is FAR beyond my technical capabilities.. Ugh. Any suggestions? (I was successful with my 2014 MBP, though I don’t think it recognizes my graphics card and is pretty sluggish, unfortunately, with anything graphics related, especially window minimization.)

Correction: The battery gate had nothing to do with battery life of old phones. Apple clarified why they did this and it’s much more complicated and nuanced. TLDR: when old battery cannot provide enough of the power for the chip, the phone would restart. It would seem for end user that the phone is buggy, but at the core of this was simply old battery that wasn’t able to provide enough power for the chip. Apple decided to limit performance of old phones in order for them to not restart randomly during normal operation. That’s the reason why it limited performance of old phones with older battery. Plain and simple.

[@AnsonAlexander]

I understand you're getting into the technical details here but, a battery not being able to provide enough power to the chip and causing rapid restarts, certainly appears to the end-user as a battery problem and, they should have avoided releasing an OS that causes these restarts on phones made just 2 years earlier.

@@AnsonAlexander Yes, I agree. It should have been communicated better, but I want to clarify, Apple provided reasoning why they did that and for whathever reason, maybe because its Apple, and there is always this need to write about scandal of some sorts, but for whathever reason I keep hearing how Apple tried to slow down old phones to force people to buy new one. And thats just not accurate.

[@joellemorris5684]

Thanks a lot for your honesty! Do you think that Hitfilm or Shotcut (freeware to replace FCP) will be working fine with Sonoma installed with OCLP? I would appreciate a quick answer because I just bought a MBP 2015, 2.8 GHz with DG.

[@gregmcqueen4540]

I’m still using a very very good Macbook from 2012, runs absolutely fine to me

[@scout123-cat]

Me too but a notice flashed onscreen said that google will not work anymore. did his happen to you?

[@abelfort6430]

When it finshed I accidentally turned it off then when I turnit back on I finshed and it was half way and turned off what should I do

[@MrTonho78]

New subscriber from Brazil. I got a happy sensation when I changed to official font San Francisco to Helvetica Neue in my MacBook Pro running MacOS Mojave. This sensation of freedom is priceless.

[@catwhisperer911]

I believe that Apple could easily provide "progressive" operating system upgrades for older Macs. They know they can but they refuse to because it would impact their bottom line. As an m1 iMac user I am very curious how Apple will approach this issue with their m chip macs. I'm not holding my breath.

[@tonyflo04]

I have a quad core xeon on my 2013 27" iMac I should be able to upgrade to any os level... On a quad core xeon

[@gaztambo139]

The problem is they are too reliable and last too long, so they need to make it artificially obsolete in the hopes that you buy another one, and they have continued revenue. I think that’s why they are selling the M processor models with such low memory. In the hopes it’ll become obsolete quicker. I’d personally prefer it if they supported new Macs for perhaps 8 years, then allow you to pay to upgrade to future OS versions (or at least security patches and the latest Safari) after that point, but they won’t necessarily have all the features of the latest hardware.

[@AnsonAlexander]

You hit the nail on the head exactly. If their hardware wasn’t so durable, this wouldn’t be a problem haha! Good ideas and thoughts on the M series chips as well!

[@mikebenda]

Thanks Tim Cook. You and Apple obviously need more money.

[@AnsonAlexander]

🤣

[@77space-vt8wi]

Buy some Apple stock. Trump gets elected and the market will rebound big time. Don't care about the D.C. polluted politic. Do care about the retirement ROA for my portfolio.

[@khengenxi]

available something for ipad?

[@coolerking7427]

You can also put a Linux Distro also. I put Elementary OS on my mini mac.

[@GaladrielDeWhite]

2011 iMac how far can I take it? It is flawless other than this macOS issue

[@thisewt]

I had MacBook Air running intel chip. I don't know the version but it was an intel. And macOS Catalina on that Laptop was painful. I couldn't even run the latest apps like Keynote, Numbers and iMovie. Now I am in a  MacBook Air M2 series and I have to say this upgrade was really nice from the Intel chips.

[@thisewt]

I would absolutely recommend the upgrade

[@altosack]

Mac Pro 2013 running Sonoma (14.5.1) via OCLP. I upgraded it to an 8-core Xeon (E5-2667) and 64GB RAM for a total system cost of $270; this is a _very_ capable machine.

[@SomebodyPickaName]

The main reason that I want to upgrade my 2013 Mac Pro to Sonoma is because Logic Pro X can't be updated anymore unless the OS gets updated.

[@burbex]

I have the opposite problem with my 2017 Lenovo i7 - I don’t want all the crappy windows updates. Leave it as it is!

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

My 2011 mac mini is no longer functioning after trying to load oclp. And to add insult to injury, it repeatedly fails to reinstall OSX Lion

[@barkmonster]

When modern software drops support for CPUs, even OCLP can’t help. I run 2 heavily upgraded 2012 systems. A 3.46Ghz 12-core Mac Pro with 2TB of PCIe SSD, 4TB of spinning rust, 96GB and an RX580 that runs all my DAW software and plugins fine. If I want to use a couple of virtual machines I originally created on a 2009 Mac Mini in the current update of VM Fusion, I have to run it on my 2.6Ghz i7 Mac Mini because VMware fusion doesn’t appear to support the X5690 CPUs anymore.

[@hodasamadi7903]

I'm pretty sure Apple intentionally slowed my 2019 iMac to force me to buy the M1 iMac. It would take two hours to log in. It wasn't until I upgraded my hard drive to an SSD that it started working perfectly again… but I often wonder, how often has this happened to other people and know about SSDs?

[@mw7967]

I've been running OpenCore on my 15 inch mid 2014 MacBook pro, since Apple dropped support for my model with Big Sur. Aside from a few minor hiccups, it's been a great experience. I'm wondering if Open Core will still be an option, once Apple drops support for the M1 chip and am also curious how long they will support their hardware in general, since moving to their own custom SOC. Eventually, I'd anticipate that when Apple drops support for the last Intel based machines, that Legacy patcher will no longer be a viable option for either unsupported Intel hardware or future unsupported M1 hardware. It'll be interesting to see whether Apple supprts it's devices beyond 7 years, given the move away from Intel or if the development community will be able to continue to build software to allow for support, after Apple drops it's M1 chip support.

[@williamshaneblyth]

And my android phones don't get security updates after 3 years approximately. These are brand name mid range phones with OLED big screen 128gb space so if that is not planned obsolescence then I don't know .

[@anonymousdonor8084]

Some people I know are running graphene on those. Maybe you know about it. But one friend says that the pixel specs were a bargain.

[@justinojustino5953]

Apple found a new way to keep making us buy their new stuff, CHARGERS. They keep changing between usb-c, lightning, MagSafe etc. they give you the cable but not the brick. I bought an m1 MacBook Air with MagSafe for my wife, next year I bought an m2 MacBook PRO but guess what? No magsafe, now I see that both the m3 and m4 MacBook Pros have MagSafe, so why did they took it out of the one I got? Who knows, but I have to have a lightning cable, usb-c, and MagSafe cables and chargers.