Why Are Some Women Attracted to Serial Killers?

This clip is taken from the Joe Rogan Experience #1614 with Tiller Russell. open.spotify.com/episode/5Sx5...

[@hawaiidispenser]

I think it's because they're attracted to the killer's apparent "power" while simultaneously thinking they will be the one to nurture and change him back to good. In any case, it's ridiculous.

[@manofculture448]

Agreed at the end of the day u attract those who are similar to you so considering how crazy Ramirez is it's not surprising for him to attract crazy woman as well

[@Archonsx]

no, they're just crazy and they make up things to justify it

[@stefrequency]

@@manofculture448 very wise

[@bkbrawla666]

Didn’t expect to see you here!!

[@markmartin3152]

Ridiculous or insane

[@glorfification]

The women I've met who are like that usually cling to the idea that the serial killer might be "misunderstood". Until they find out that he isn't.

[@Frog_Boii]

YUP

[@luc0007]

Rescue fantasy, they want to be the one to 'change' them

[@kellei9h]

@@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare can you explain what you mean by phony

[@jamesloughlin4181]

I believe that if this were real life, and these women were ACTUALLY confronted with the imagery and experience of their actual actions and behaviors- their tune would change really fast. It might also be that they have this idea the murderers might spare them and or protect them if they got close enough to them- The whole thing is so nuts and they idealize these people based on their ideas rather than factual reality.

[@bepinkfloyd814]

@@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare some womens have less nurture than An hippo with his kid. Everybody can feel like a psyco killer at times, the act on it tho is something that happens when people are f up from childhood etc etc. Some womens just go crazy for killers because they are wackos too, simple As that.

[@GorgonDrageil]

"He won't kill me, I'm special..."

[@IPSStacks]

Imagine how often women think thus lol...

[@ccirish4519]

He won't hurt me, he is special ✅

[@TR-gg5er]

😂😂😂

[@sebswede9005]

The Serial killer: "She's right. She's My special murder victim".

[@abbassari4203]

famous last words 😭

[@nicb.1411]

I know a girl who got abused, beaten ,and almost killed by her ex husband and she still chases after that same type of man. It's beyond insane so I don't even feel sorry for her.

[@PhaseSkater]

yup. always will be that way. and they complain about no nice guys

[@stephenstuckey]

Comfort and convenience is a thing. Ppl are afraid of change.

[@chriswhite264]

I'm sure she had some shit go down in her childhood that has led her to feeling uncontrollably attracted to toxic and chaotic situations & men. It isn't as simple as 'girls don't go for nice guys'

[@stephenstuckey]

@@chriswhite264 very true....

[@roseiver44]

If you did a little research on victims of abuse you’d find the answer to why

[@JohnLee-kl4tc]

When it comes to violence I've found that it's often those who never experienced violence that so foolishly search for violence.

[@headshot217]

Facts is a bunch of edgy chicks who dont have a clue about the real world

[@Duality333]

Unless it comes to sex, because usually the women who’ve been through some fucked up sexual shit in their younger years who are the most psychotic in bed

[@GM-yb5yg]

How did you found that out. Do you know many people who haven't any violence, and people who have? You haven't even thought this out. People who either seek out violence, or end up in situations where they are violated, usually have some experience of violence, wether physical, sexual or psychological. In other words, people who end up with serial killers have almost certainly been treated poorly or inconsisten. Non traumatized people can detect and will avoid most people of conflict, like say, a serial killers or a narcissist.

[@GM-yb5yg]

It's not unless, he's wrong. The victims of most psychopaths or narcissists have been victims already. Normal functional people do not say: Hey, I wanna date a serial killer. It just doesn't happen in people who are connected to their instincts. In order to not quickly understand that people with antisocial or narcissistic personality disorders are dangerous and should be avoided, you would have to be traumatized. When we are connected to our selves, our emotionsz instincts, then we avoid those individuals because they scream DANGER .

[@sittingbackandwatchingital3845]

But a lot of people who are violent experienced violence before which is why theirs like that

[@DavidJones-tt1og]

"Women date men in prison because they'll always know where they are." - Jim Jefferies

[@s.marshian8455]

Lol that killed me first time I heard that.

[@rezzbuilds8343]

Lmao that's a good one. And probably some truth in that. He's gonna be committed and give attention back because shit he's got nothing else to do lol

[@Jc34759]

He’s cheating with other men 😤

[@DominickDecocko]

Aaand everyone thought he was joking. It's actually one of the theory on it.

[@charliebolt4107]

Jim also said 'I could never fuck a man, cos I couldn't fuck someone that I respect ;)

[@richdude8150]

I have a friend who got over anxiety by working at a slaughter house. I know it's weird but he said seeing how easily life can be taken makes him not afraid of anyone anymore. The story was creepy but very interesting. He was soft and always anxious but a year after he got the job at the slaughter house I noticed his confidenced increased tremendously. He said he knows how easy his life can be taken and how easily others can be taken. So he just doesn't feel protective of it anymore.... His confidence attracts alot of women. He is no serisl killer but here is a scenario where brutality desensitized someone to the point that they lost their anxiety and appeared more confindent and mysterious and we know women love thatv

[@edward.doctor1892]

A slaughter house do you mean a….

[@ruwhite1316]

Ah yes…I remember working in a slaughterhouse. It definitely has an interesting effect on you, all that blood pouring and splattering everywhere.

[@richdude8150]

@@ruwhite1316 interesting, I faint when I see alot of blood . So I would love to hear how that had an effect on you.

[@ruwhite1316]

@@richdude8150 Man, now that I look back, I remember having a significant boost in confidence too. The blood was disgusting at first, the chickens were all soft and squishy but once I got used to it, I was passing that blade like some kind of expert hitman and it becomes satisfying as fuck watching the blood jet out, especially if you’re doing it right. The exposure kind of toughens you up in a way, being down there for hours in the dark in the midst of chaos, just murdering chickens😂. By the time you get out, you feel different and women look at you different. I thought I was going to hate working at that place but now i cant help but feel drawn to it still 😂

[@TylerEubank]

I’m gonna work at one

[@lalruatpuiikhiangte7030]

Speaking for myself (and I’m a woman), I enjoy crime shows , serial killer documentaries etc because of the psychological aspect i.e I find it endlessly fascinating how someone could commit murder and want to understand what led them to it. I am definitely not attracted to killers though.

[@kristenp1606]

Yeah they’re like a different species entirely. Also, we watch to learn how to survive if we find ourselves in danger.

[@hannahlennertkristiansen4797]

very well said. both of you^

[@hannahlennertkristiansen4797]

and we seek for what we fear I think, we do really want to know what kinds of people would manipulate us, bc often, women are mainly the targets for a bunch of male serial killers, and at least personally for me, I want to know how to avoid it and how to protect myself

[@views4380]

@@kristenp1606 let’s all be honest with each other, the moment someone like that gets his hands on you the first thing you’ll do is shit your self, trust me you won’t remember a single documentary.

[@santiagonunez4641]

We need to keep an eye on you 😂

[@MichaelNowell724]

In a woman’s head she’s saying. Oh I can change him he would never kill me. Then she turns into the next victim.

[@GoldenBoyDims]

"He is just misunderstood" she says about the chad serial killer with a strong jawline

[@marcsalzman8082]

It's like uhhh..... Happened before... Many times. They're almost as nuts as the...

[@noushs8004]

women tend to be intoxicated by men they're a little bit afraid of...It's an unexplainable high we feel.

[@prairie_dog_5443]

You cannot change any person. It’s impossible.

[@internetuser8371]

Exactly lol. Women send serial killers love letters but they'd be chopped into pieces too...

[@j1zzwrld911]

Even serial killers be getting women, then there's me

[@NoThankYouToo]

Project confidence and it’ll come. “Fake it till you make it.” It all starts with confidence. Next time you want to approach a woman, pretend you already know she’s attracted to you. Be kind, confident, and be courteous but not deferential. It all starts with you. You can do it. I’d say “good luck,” but you don’t need it. Confidence. Everything will flow from there.

[@imadilias7307]

@Ooga Booga he needs to take a shower broo

[@imadilias7307]

its mostly about looks , then status and money ..power if you are lacking on the looks department , u need a lot of money and power to make up for it , don't listen to these "be confident" bullshit if u are ugly and poor , confidence means 0.

[@imadilias7307]

@Ooga Booga it seems that u have a really good basis , 6'3 is very attractive to alot of women , as i said in the comment above its about looks my friend and most of us men are short , and average , even ugly , confidence will do nothin if ur short and ugly , but it will help somone like you alot , just don't go around telling other man they just need to be confident, it won't help an ugly/average man at all which is the norm.

[@imadilias7307]

@Ooga Booga yes , good luck chief

[@hauntedasylum8194]

The psychology behind this is the attraction to bad boy power, someone who doesn't yield to the law and just does what they want. Some girls may have being so restricted by strict parents, thus desire release from order so intensely that they find bad boys appealing. It's a subconscious, kind of background response for a desire to be free of restriction and order.

[@bluemountainw1789]

This is true. I would never write letters or attempt to have a relationship with a serial killer but there is just a fantasy aspect to a good looking bad boy killer who does what he wants and goes against the grain and is so damn powerful thats appealing. I dont think that I can tame them or change them at all and would never even try. Its the fantasy of it.

[@bignygaaer5788]

Those are living in The Woods self sustained, not some atheist estrogen male going around killing people when they turn their back

[@musicandpoetry_8]

This is a possibility too

[@Karen-or9nt]

I would wholeheartedly agree with this.

[@HamsterPower26]

Women are just attracted to bad men, because women are bad human beings themselves.

[@treye705]

It’s the story of the beauty and the beast, or the hulk, or King Kong, or Twilight, where the woman proves and validates her healing femininity superior to all others. It’s a grandiose pursuit of self-esteem.

[@NUM3R1S]

Maybe we were all brainwashed by Disney.

[@wespicedmemes]

@@NUM3R1S nah Disney fr fked us all up. It always leads to them someway somehow.

[@hi-ve1cw]

Yup. Its the fantasy that she's the only one special enough to fix him

[@tcrijwanachoudhury]

I think it's the pursuit of empathy and the nurturing extinct

[@KC-ki9uj]

Don't you dare compare twilight to serial killers

[@deadchimp45]

I'm drowning in proposals from the ladies.

[@Gh0stlyHydra]

I ain't gay but a north Korean leader...is a north Korean leader 🤤

[@Brovioli]

lmao

[@daisylouise5501]

LMAO

[@umangjain293]

I would argue that being good looking is also an additional requirement, soo

[@ShivamKumar-od5yi]

@@umangjain293 yes

[@dannysathish]

Genghis Khan must've been the hottest guy in all of Asia/Europe.

[@jeramysteve3394]

Considering his genes are 1% of the Asian population, he must've been drowning in puss.

[@bannedmann4469]

Nah, just raid and grape em. Hear the lamentations of the women.

[@user-eq5yr6oe8h]

I'm sure he had a lot of poon money. You could just go buy some whores and not kill anyone

[@evertonlima84]

@@bannedmann4469 that's best in life

[@peyton.simpson]

@@jeramysteve3394 fr he didn’t even gotta ask

[@lgwappo]

My psychology class discussed this. Professor said "I can't explain it. I don't understand it." He'd been a practicing psychologist for 20+ years.

[@ericmanget4280]

Respect to the prof for not trying to make something up on the spot lol

[@asher9349]

he understands it... whether he has the balls to say it in a class full of chicks is another thing...

[@VintageNarwhal]

Sometimes things aren’t logically based. Some things just are.

[@dustinh1583]

2:11 "The act of killing someone is mentally very difficult to do." 2:43 "Even a thousand years ago killing people was really common" Exactly! Killing isn't rare or amazing, historically it was common and the large majority of people are capable of it but only out of pure necessity. However, murdering someone for fun is totally different and I don't understand what women like about it. Really creeps me out tbh.

[@wingknight7132]

Women want the killer's genes

[@arizonacolour8793]

Don't be such a baby about it

[@Joyboy0101]

@@arizonacolour8793 huh

[@thefool1086]

@@arizonacolour8793 certified cuck moment

[@applesoda2030]

@@arizonacolour8793 ????

[@JRennick27]

Because they’re crazy, too.

[@Archonsx]

yup

[@1999tenorio]

this

[@Drew-od4dh]

fax

[@Ihavemadeit999]

@@JRennick27 Oh

[@Ihavemadeit999]

WHY IS ME COMMENT DELETED😭

[@TimeWatch5]

Its like the little fish wanting to live under sharks fins. They eat left overs and are always safe tucked under there.

[@justinwalker2460]

Under their what? 😝

[@TimmyTurner421]

@@justinwalker2460 Under there

[@WillJM81280]

I have personally been referring to them as remoras for some time.

[@ajeettv]

@@TimmyTurner421 no

[@orsonwelles4254]

Underwear

[@N1NJ4B345T]

It relates to the archetypal female hero myth and sexual fantasy. These girls become obsessed because the serial killer is dangerous and untamed and they fantasize about being the one to tame him. The fact that serial killers often kill women only adds to the fantasy for these women. They want to be the special one that he ends up loving and therefore cannot kill, which would be a confirmation of how desirable and lovable they are. Sidenote: our society is probably fascinated by violence because of its novelty and the idea that one's character is tested in dangerous life-or-death scenarios we rarely get to live out.

[@KawaiiCat2]

So basically rumplestilskin and bell from once upon a time lol

[@ButterBiscuitGobbler]

Thought provoking, brilliant explanation! 💡

[@VallenteDunn]

Richard Grannon stated on a KZbin video/seminar that female human sexuality can be viewed by the principal of taming a horse. Obvs with the "nice guy" there is nothing to tame there.

[@bryanbt18]

Simple answer: it's the dark triad personality.

[@milliondollalic]

What’s that

[@samdobie6748]

@@milliondollalic Psychopathy, narcissism and machiavellianism

[@misanthropy6690]

It's not the dark triad, it's the air of power someone who is dark triad tends to exude. Violence turns women on because the violent usually get what they want.

[@billsimms2511]

Every guy that’s tried to act that way towards women can attest that it works very well. This then makes us lose even more interesting in pursuing women for relationships 😂😂

[@zoezzzarko1117]

Dark triad males also have very distinct faces, facial bone structure. Which he has...

[@devinallen827]

Because a lot of women like “projects”. The serial killer is the ultimate project

[@DefeatLust]

Ooohhhh

[@tyetoowavy4040]

lmaoooooooooooooo

[@B.Precision]

Or simpler, the thought that he is capable of ending lives turns them on on a primal level

[@marcusrosales3344]

@@B.Precision I think primal instincts would more than likely push you to avoid them for being dangerous...

[@B.Precision]

@@marcusrosales3344 some people are drawn to danger/risk ...don't blame me for their wiring, I'm just making an observation

[@nunyabeeswax275]

It's because women have an innate desire to tame untamed men. It's literally the plot of Beauty and the Beast

[@lessdatesmoreonmyplates1457]

Yes, exactly!

[@chrisbrown113096]

Lmao

[@dexterquotidian]

Which part of that is the sending naked pictures of themselves?

[@josevanreyes]

Its not even that deep. Killers are attractive to women because being good at killing increases your odds of killing the competition and be the last man standing. A man's purpose to a women is to compete and rise to the top of the hierarchy and the ultimate way of ensuring that is by killing the person above you. It speaks to a primal part of their being

[@stickyblicky11]

@@josevanreyes serial killers kill other women

[@kerrymoynihan5712]

There have been studies done that states of fear and anxiety can lead to higher levels of sexual arousal. It is kinda sick and doesn't work on everyone if you're aware of it but it is why taking a person to see a horror movie for a date may actually be a good idea if you're trying to get somewhere.

[@KawaiiCat2]

I feel like that happens because generally sex produces serotonin the feel good hormone, hence making the person feel good and when someone is anxious and scared, they want that "feel good" to ask the bad feelings, so they get sexually aroused. Like people who do drugs, drink, or smoke want their "fix" when they are anxious or scared and end up getting cravings.

[@pradeep2662]

@@KawaiiCat2 I don't think that's the case. I think that in this context, it's the brain's way of saying "hey you might not last long, reproduce while you still can".

[@renachiiuwu6463]

@@pradeep2662 that’s dif not it lol u sound pretty ignorant but I’ll bet they are only attracted to the handsome one’s only

[@TheManInTheLongBlackCoat]

In a word, it’s evolutionary. As we’re not arm-wrestling each other in the streets, they focus on strength in others areas: bullying, threatening, and taking out the competition.

[@tomw6947]

Serial killers don't take out competition tho, they hunt and kill vunrable people and most of the time it's women or children. Very rarely you see serial killers hunting other killers etc lol.

[@TheManInTheLongBlackCoat]

You’re right in that they don’t take out other serial killers, @@tomw6947, as two serial killers after the same woman is even rarer.

[@wingknight7132]

@@tomw6947 yes they do the fact they can kill women(who society sees as angels) implies to a woman that this man has no empathy(which is the primary trait of an alpha male) and therefore he has good genes

[@GW_296]

Am I the only one distracted by dude’s shirt cuffs???

[@luq1279]

Hahhahaahahahahaha i was gonna say it i thought i was the only one so didnt :p

[@DDmegadoodoo]

Second thing I noticed. Initially thought this dude looks like he could be a serial murderer too, but then I saw his cuffs and changed my mind.

[@zach-4327]

not anymore lol

[@wackytackyjoel]

He looks like a pirate

[@princefanforever4202]

All I kept looking at was his hair!! 🤣

[@michaelpowell1131]

Serial killers might be the only men who understand women.

[@toplobster2699]

Facts

[@mattybricks8003]

Mind blowing

[@SeanLawn71]

Amen

[@yeah4380]

Ahahahahaha

[@michaelparsons2290]

😂

[@moniquemuffinx3]

this is the only thing I've seen of this guy tiller Russell and I really like him. he seems like such a cool nice nonjudgmental dude all while being super intelligent and challenging I love it

[@MegNotTheStallion]

I've always been very into true crime. I wanted to be a homicide detective. My dad ended up murdered and I told him it was going to happen 3 days before it did. I'm still interested in the psychology of killers but I am no longer able to read as many books or watch as many documentaries as I used to after I lost my dad. He was all I had left. I'd already lost my brother and mom. I don't understand why a lot of these killers get groupies but am very aware of the phenomenon. Even Nick Cruz, the Parkland shooter, immediately got a gf from another country after being incarcerated. Chris Watts has fan girls too. It's baffling. I know a lot of women have vampire fantasies and are attracted to vampires and love vampire content. The psychology behind that is because the vampire is an all powerful and immortal being. Women are biologically attracted to powerful men. I wonder if that plays into the serial killer obsession. They think he's all powerful and they'll be the one he truly loves and doesn't harm

[@alexcallado4701]

I’m fascinated by your comment. If you don’t feel comfortable answering, then please do not reply to my comment. But I am wondering when you referenced that you knew and you told your father before he got murdered, how did you know?

[@kais4705]

About the Vampires, I will like to add that women also find the Vampires very vicious like beasts but they feel like they can change or tame them. For example this is very common in vicious dangerous animals too, lions are usually ruthlessly barbaric when they are alone in the nature but when they meet a lioness, she tames them and do all the hunting while the male beast is now chilling and lying on the ground resting all day and only engage in a fight when other lions or dangerous animals try to attack his territory and family. Same goes with vamps I think + they want that vamps genes too and this is perfectly depicted the Twilight series where Edward is tamed and his genes are obtained so that movie series was a perfect example of female fantasy I think

[@MegNotTheStallion]

@@alexcallado4701 My father got involved with a woman who was very evil because he was grieving the loss of my mother. She had told me about her fiance dying 2 years prior and when she told me the story, I knew she killed him. Their arguments were escalating and I just had a strong intuition. Her own sister told me some very troubling stories after. Unfortunately, she got away with it. She is currently missing, actually. When I heard, I wondered if she killed another man and went on the run

[@MegNotTheStallion]

@@kais4705 I agree yes. That's what I meant by women feeling that they could be the only one the vampire/killer doesn't harm. They could "tame" him in that sense

[@DemonPrinceofHell]

Jesus Christ. I'm sorry for what you went through. I hope that person pays for what they did. If that happened to me, I would want revenge. You are a strong individual, you stared at the darkness and here you stand.

[@rrcn5234]

As long as you are handsome and good looking you can get away with anything, really noticed it when I lost a lot of weight and started to get more into fashion. What a sad fucking world lmao

[@theblackmonk3153]

Yes sir you are right I have seen handsome men do what ever they want and women will overlook it because they are handsome

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

I lost weight and same thing happened. But normies still say looks don't matter.

[@jackwalker3311]

Even when you're watching a movie the attractive people will always be portrayed as smart and good natured.

[@JesusChrist2000BC]

@Caleb Tedford What's the bubble?

[@purplekitkatemily]

Same with beautiful women. Even actresses with no talent can score roles because they're pretty.

[@raoulfr]

They want to be that special one.

[@jimkaibounmala3522]

“Oh I hope he doesn’t kill me.”

[@tapeadeadworm]

"I really think I could change him!" - idiot

[@lousbk]

This is the answer. So many women love "fixing" men. For a good chunk of them, the more broken the better. Because if they "fix them" it's used as a measure of their own self worth. These guys are the most broken. So if they also happen to be even moderately attractive, then these type of women will come out of the woodwork wanting to be the one who fixes them. This ain't even getting into the fact that women tend to find power attractive. Which adds a whole other weird level to this shit.

[@jr5993]

Yeah and none of them will be because they merely act as a fuel for fantasies and desires.

[@leonrushton6789]

n then gets choped for it

[@juddotto3660]

Me taking notes: serial killers get the babes Well, guess that's decided!

[@Silveryback]

😂😂

[@joshsanmiguel4186]

You gotta do some insane shit to grab attention first

[@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare]

well they weren't getting any sex though...

[@lebontriangle1543]

@@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare uh um, you're dead wrong buddy.

[@phillipwomack8246]

Watch out it's the new and improved Mr kill your bitch

[@armyparty]

I love listening to the Joe Rogan podcast on work with Spotify. The advantage of Spotify comparing to youtube is that you could listen to the podcast even if the app is closed.

[@dolphin069]

Women’s ego - date a violent man, he could never be violent toward me.

[@arizonatea3734]

Its the power/dominance they like, not specifically the violence.

[@docmanhattan3260]

@@arizonatea3734 so, kill everybody else?

[@arizonatea3734]

@@docmanhattan3260 so, say something exactly irrelevant to what i said??

[@themadclown4077]

@Jordan Spencerits not eactly that. More like "ow if I leave him he might actually hunt me down and kill me or my parents". You know a kinda rational fear.

[@easypeasylemonsqueezy4]

@@arizonatea3734 exactly, the entire routine of "he COULD technically kill me" but "he's so gentle and loving to me" ... Kinda thing....

[@MrHEC381991]

Short answer; Because they're lonely and f**king crazy.

[@steelpenguin1]

@amery smith but they are F’ing crazy. 😂

[@MrHEC381991]

@amery smith Ahh good point. Jesus, that's even worse than being lonely and/or crazy.

[@severusfloki5778]

@amery smith hahaha

[@camilasummers]

Are we now 🤔🤔

[@razkable]

or cause the killer is caught...

[@its_vintage2601]

I find the psychology of a murderer intriguing. Like what drives someone to commit the ultimate betrayal

[@michaelcarter266]

I think in general people watch things about murders to know what is out there. It is like watching a documentary about deadly wild animals in your area. It can help you learn what to avoid. The fans of murders might be a form of a conversion disorder mixed with insanity.

[@anthonybasarowich3884]

"Hybristophilia is a sexual interest in and attraction to those who commit crimes, a paraphilia in which sexual arousal, facilitation, and attainment of orgasm are responsive to and contingent upon being with a partner known to have committed a crime." From wiki which usually isn't a great source for most but nails this one.

[@ricoamordavila7496]

I'm never getting married. SMH...

[@pecosbaum190]

Hey joe, I like your spinning back kick

[@cubsruler]

Joe Hogan

[@jamesphillips5926]

I was trying that in work the other day all my clients were in the window gob smacked

[@hephspenandquill6251]

Fun fact Joe doesnt shoot no goddamn bullet nor arrows he spin kicks Elks to the death

[@deeznuts03]

Roe jogan

[@slothretaliation1752]

We all do buddy

[@Killadey]

I once met a woman who said she'd never sleep with a man who's never taken someone's life. She was a complete and utter psycho, but my god, she was a firecracker between the sheets.

[@jordaneglis7380]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@karinajivkova7569]

Waaait a minute... Does that mean you've taken someone's life? 😳

[@bobankefer828]

👀

[@DemonPrinceofHell]

Temporary pleasures in exchange for your honor to a crazy broad. Maybe you and her were meant for each other, lunatics

[@webdev8284]

Amogus

[@Silveryback]

It probably has to do with a female's desire to "fix" people.

[@mintyoongi6755]

Victoria Finnseth Stenersen same thing

[@VengefulPolititron]

*control men. it's the Genesis 3 curse.

[@addorsubtract650]

@@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare nurture a serial killer? 🤣😂😂

[@feargalmcgovern3400]

Joe “It’s very hard to kill someone” Rogan

[@muhammadamirasyraf5728]

Yeah it is. So?

[@ricosuave953]

@@muhammadamirasyraf5728 i mean it’s not really hard to kill “someone” but it is hard to kill anyone

[@abdulismail6739]

@@ricosuave953 Facts.

[@tonyh1345]

@Moises Hernandez_Portillo maybe in the 1960s but today with modern tracking tech you can’t get away with killing a large quantity of people in America.

[@tonyh1345]

@Caleb Tedford Well through means like a bio weapon, poisoning water&food, it’s still happening heavily today. But blatant murder with a gun, fists, knife or strangulation is hard to do to a huge amount of people before getting caught early on. Killing many people is still possible but it’s done through more subtle means, not the traditional methods of murder from human history

[@monkeyming5545]

I remember watching Dark Tourist and they went on a Jeffry Dahmer tour and the shows host was the only man in that tour group

[@MaynardCrow]

The fact he was only into dude's makes him more desirable cause they would be extra special if they were the one to "change him."

[@oooooooooooo2332]

Omg your profile pic is from Life is Strange! LOVE that game. I have an awesome gameplay of it in my channel yo

[@jordankit1648]

What timing. Just finished watching Night Stalker. Learned of him through Elisa Lam doc

[@mishmash6570]

I’m a woman and I sorta understand how girls can feel attracted to a “broken” guy that they can nurture back to happiness or whatever. The thing is though, I’ve only experienced that in one guy and he was really fkn sweet except he was an addict and genuinely trying to recover. I found it sort of endearing when he trusted me enough to accept my help. However a serial killer can’t be a good person no matter how much love you give them so that part of it confuses tf outa me. Women naturally gravitate to looking after people because biologically we are wired to be nurturing for when they have babies. Even women like me who don’t have any interest in starting a family will still have that psychological inclination towards nurturing rolls u know?

[@chemicalcade640]

Yeah you nurture the poor bastard and get him sorted out then get bored of him and leave him and cheat on him anyway starting the cycle of hurt and brokenness all over again. Women play too many games and are fickle, most of you are only good for shagging that’s it!

[@ramonteking2196]

That makes sense. Thanks for the comment.

[@bogeydope3022]

Isn't it more that you want a guy that takes what he wants? Since bad guys do that, it is very attractive on the first look. Since there aren't enough men that can give a women what she desires without abusive behavior, she will always be attracted to the guys having at least some trades of the men she wants. No women wants a "nice guy", and i can completely understand that. It took me a whole 30 years to really understand what that means and to really have a meaningful relationship with an attractive women that i desire beside her looks. Was a long and bumpy road which required to overcome my most ugly shortcomings.

[@ramonteking2196]

@bogeydope3022 No, I disagree. What women desire is often based on their upbringing and how what morals and values were installed in them. If you have a woman who grew up in a bad environment where they are often disrespected and had no proper father and mother role model. It is encouraged to sleep around, not get married, do what you please and pleasure yourself, and the only men who could satisfy them is the alhpa male who slept with whos knows how many women. Then yeah you could say women naturally perfer the bad boys. However, in other parts of the world, it varies. Yeah the bad boy is assertive, attractive, confident, and arouse women more. But in the long run if they never seek to improve other parts of their life, like staying out of trouble, being loyal to their spouse, have a good moral compass, contribute to the community even if it's the small things, identify childhood traumas and perhaps seek therapy or a spiritual resolution, and just care. Not all but a lot of nice guys lack confidence, physical appearance, assertiveness, and heavily focus on simping for women out of their league. If the nice took those qualities and still comes out as a family man wanting the best of society, his community, and his family. While standing strong in his beliefs not being tempted or swayed well then why pick the bad boy.

[@ramonteking2196]

@bogeydope3022 And if a woman really wants to be with bad boys, well then she's not the woman you should be with and you should avoid women like those again. Find a woman who wants a good man. Not a weak man, men still need to be strong physically, mentally, and spiritually. To put it simply wicked women are for wicked men and virtuous women are for virtuous men.

[@djnobeva]

The serial killer/criminal’s ability to push past all his filters and live life by their own rules is a dark fantasy of freedom we are fascinated by.

[@ruleaus7664]

The way you word it almost makes it sound desirable, except that removing filters here means having no moral compass or conscious. I wouldn't call that freeing.

[@zBorderPatrol]

If murdering people is a freedom you want then you need to talk to a psychologist ASAP.

[@TR-gg5er]

Hmmmm interesting point . I Just thought they had daddy issues . 🤔

[@mikal1659]

I don’t agree but I feel you have some elements of truth there

[@erheetrherh2659]

@@zBorderPatrol its called negative freedom.

[@benharris144]

"There was a funny bit on Saturday Night Live the other night..." Okay, so this guy's a liar.

[@MichaelWLee]

He was the journalist that reported the stories on the Night Stalker docuseries on Netflix

[@LittleBoxXx]

@@MichaelWLee The joke was: there was no FUNNY bit on Saturday Night Live.....

[@johnchristopherlayton1325]

@@LittleBoxXx hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha 👍

[@ATXMEX78]

@@MichaelWLee Wooosh

[@tool27]

@@LittleBoxXx That isn’t the definition of a joke

[@justinaacuriouswanderer1496]

I have a deep aversion to any woman who's infatuated or enamored with a psychopath. It's terminally sick. Loving and forgiving someone is different from being smitten by them. For me, personally, the reason I was studying Ted Bundy is because I wanted to understand my own past pain, having been a child preyed upon by an internet psychopath who impersonated someone else. He had no mercy. Not an iota. I was a child, so it was an element of gullibility and innocuousness that made him ensnare me... Most women who are attracted are extremely gullible and young to begin with. I wanted to study the physical brain of a psychopath, because not understanding how someone could act so heinously without reason could drive me mad.

[@sigmaprime8197]

fantastic episode!

[@jopo7996]

With the big cuffs and headphones, Tiller looks like a DJ on a pirate ship.

[@chocclat]

😹😹😹😹😹

[@MrWingedRanger]

wawawawawawawalk the plank *mtss mtss mtss mtss*

[@rellyWrotethat]

😂😂😂

[@WazigeLogica]

On (Shrek's) prince charming's ship hahah.. He could be like his 'cool' older DJ- brother that takes the headphone on and off his ear like prince charming does the hair- flip.. Prince charming dancing flipping his hair, him DJ-ing with his headphones hahah

[@serenabee9928]

😹😹😹

[@ryannorris5635]

I minored in criminal justice and every single class I took for that subject was overwhelmingly female. The more heinous the class (one was called "Death Penalty & the Supreme Court), the more & hotter the females. Didn't do shit for my career because I didn't become a cop but I still had a blast attending those classes...

[@wendel5868]

Everyone I`ve met who wants to work on Homicides are female. There is something there for sure.

[@AK-xi5vy]

@@wendel5868 When I was 15 my gf(now ex) wanted to work on homicides in the future lmao

[@zeedom5848]

@@AK-xi5vy i had an ex exactly like that as well and one who fit the exact description of the topic of this video. talked about how she wanted to get into criminal investigation to “study” and “pick apart” the minds of serial killers like the nightstalker. glad she’s gone to say the least

[@DemonPrinceofHell]

Thanks for the input, I'll have to apply for those classes then.

[@ohhellothere3217]

Women in general are fascinated with criminal law/justice. I need more than two hands to count the number I've met who want to be some sort of attorney

[@rodrigosousa13191]

It's a POWER thing, simple. Women are attracted to power in all forms. Physical, financial, political... a man that killed others has proved he's powerful. His hands cause destruction. As opposed to a law abiding feminist-minded beta male It's not weird at all like Joe said. Attraction is not a rational thing, it's sexual

[@sethmp333]

Wtf are you talking about most serial killers are betas

[@illuminati5160]

Do you you not realize how dumb that sounds? "A man that killed others has proved he's powerful" is nonsense especially considering serial killers almost always prey on weak and naive people and thats the opposite of power.

[@FizzahEditz]

Most serial killers and murderers aren’t what are generally considered ‘alphas’

[@rodrigosousa13191]

@@FizzahEditz that is because the general notion of alpha is wrong, serial killas are alphas. They are the opposite of followers, they have huge needs to control and dominate and be at the top being worshipped by lower ranked people. They become killers because they lack the means, whether it be social skills, physical attributes or finantial opportunities to become high ranked legally. So they turn to killing

[@turolretar]

@@FizzahEditz beta detected, opinion rejected

[@infidel900rr]

This sounds like a great discussion, i'll have to open the ol' spot-app and have look

[@franciscovega7897]

They didn’t even answered the question -.- they just kept asking the question over and over again 😂

[@jarenagra2804]

right? communal mental masturbation and not climaxing at all

[@purplepill1478]

Profound, care to elaborate?

[@mashupbeatz5042]

Same shit different bucket

[@Eggsecuter]

I think great philosophical questions are never truly answered. It is always followed up by creating more questions.

[@tag0088]

joe rogan did kinda unswer

[@mrstupid851]

Finally the dead kids in my basement can be useful

[@Sensei_Brauk_Li]

So hot

[@Paul-dw1qs]

Dad?

[@qwrtu1399]

Can I have you're autograph😍

[@Geda.gede.gada.gadaoo]

@@Sensei_Brauk_Li wtf

[@beetlejuicejr6133]

Dadddy

[@alyssarondon708]

Look how smoooooth joe explains this. I knew this but could never describe it to anyone

[@hht3711]

Super interesting topic💯

[@spideraman847]

I think it’s the fact that when a killer is in a room all are eyes are on him. It’s fear power that I believe catches the woman’s attention.

[@akhilmuscle2702]

How they knows it a killer!?

[@jamesbarnicks4863]

Fear and power....I dont understand it cause I dont understand fearing another person. Dont care what they have done or could do.....unless I cant fight back, why fear? And power....what power does a killer have overall? They may take lives but I dont see that as them having power....I see it as them thinking that they're cause they kill tho

[@masteroogway6339]

Cap. I’m simply just a woman who enjoys true crime. But Im not attracted to the criminals.

[@wingknight7132]

@@jamesbarnicks4863 when u kill someone ur having power over that person that is the definition of dominance something women are attracted to

[@Marley357lfc]

Women don't realise if she went with a serial killer she would become part of his cereal...

[@arthurcurry2003]

But actually no. There’s serial killers that were married, with daughters. They didn’t kill them. Bundy was one. They don’t kill their loved ones. I mean it’s not a given, it’s what I’m saying.

[@njk9091]

😂😂😂

[@JD08092]

🤣🤣😂🤣😂

[@FM-yd5xy]

@@arthurcurry2003 Heard of Peter Lundin?

[@arthurcurry2003]

@@mitchk2140 lol well we all think of killing our wives at some point 😂. Alright alright, don’t get sensitive. 😉

[@violetmoon2283]

My theory is that it is a spectrum of issues affecting women, from childhood abuse, severe insecurity, self destructive tendencies, mental instability/illness, latent sociopathic tendencies themselves, fascination with the shadow, the list goes on... It's a very complex issue. Edit: I'd also add extreme compassion to the list. It's possible that some women are so compassionate, that they truly believe that there is no such thing as an evil person, only evil acts, and that you can love and nurture a person like Jeffrey Dahmer into no longer feeling the urge to commit evil acts. Of course, they would be wrong.

[@iiyyxxnn]

Some girls like bad boys say it however you want but the idea that there's no evil woman is nonsense

[@violetmoon2283]

@@iiyyxxnn I didn't say that there are no evil women, I even included "sociopathic tendencies" in the list of reasons that a woman would be attracted to an evil man. It's not as simple as "they're just evil", evilness is the culmination of certain types of pathology. There could be many reasons that a woman would be attracted to an evil man. Her also being evil, is only one of them.

[@iiyyxxnn]

@@violetmoon2283 I didn't say you said there's no evil woman?

[@violetmoon2283]

@@iiyyxxnn Then I don't understand your comment. I thought you were being argumentative.

[@iiyyxxnn]

@@violetmoon2283 I just don't get why people are surprised and looking into this so hard... as if they think all woman aren't into it. Lots of reasons.

[@arthurcholmes9388]

I don't watch Netflix .. But the night stalker was brilliant

[@SeaOrcRonnie]

“Ladies love outlaws.” Waylon Jennings

[@designerv5713]

But seeking protection. It's paradoxical

[@wstr9963]

Written by Lee Clayton, the original outlaw.

[@alechull4300]

Women love sociopaths

[@RogerM88]

You see a pattern similar with a lot of women that date and marry aggressive guys, thinking they could change them.

[@hunster_5533]

its because there attractive. The blackpill is real

[@connorearl2150]

Yup it comes down to women who think they can change and fix men.

[@ennisdelmar807]

"ohh if he was normal he could be a model, he's so attractive but... then he would never settle for me. Maybe I could have changed him into a better man and he'd stay with me, win win." - some women

[@dcoughla681]

Some women think they can change a male serial killer or any man’s behavior. “With me, it will be different” & “All a serial killer needs is my love” kind of attitude. It’s also a woman’s form of control caused by a severe lack of self esteem.

[@behindyou3689]

I don't think that's the reason.

[@m.inittttt]

the reason for this is everyone innately wants to do bad things but most of us have discipline and when someone loses it for fun or under pressure its a phenomenon we wanna see so we can judge or admire

[@mattkess3156]

Joe looks like he’s on the verge of hurting himself every time he tries to explain theories on human evolutionary biology

[@chenchi6623]

cuz its bunch of bolony

[@yellowbelly7863]

@@chenchi6623 Hey bud, just want to help you by stating that it's called a "theory" for a reason. No one is claiming it as fact, except maybe the internet scientists that you encounter on JRE videos... theory means it could be rubbish or it could be facts. Oh and its spelled Bologna.

[@ChimpFromSpace]

That's his thinkin' face!

[@deadpirateroberts9937]

He’s probably disgusted by humanity after all the red pills he might have swallowed.

[@errhka]

Hehe watching Joe struggle through the idea of 'us female monkeys want the biggest baddest monkey there is as our mate' is funny, even if he has a point. These women think the killer is the baddest monkey out there - which is stupid of course - but then again I don't think these women are using their prefrontal cortex to make their decisions that often if you catch my drift

[@Akkarsollum]

I’ll keep it simple. I knew a girl that was into Richard Ramirez before the hype and I asked why she loved him. She just answered by saying by his looks and voice.

[@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare]

Before the hype? before they knew he was a killer, how is that possible?

[@TheillMadeKnght]

Frued is giving you the lecturing parent stare as he condescendingly says, "why do you ask questions I've already answered?"

[@nicelydunwell5681]

Thanks for the dating tips, guys!

[@avoid1226]

🤣

[@asher9349]

underrated answer

[@BrainsandGainsPodcast]

They think they’ll be the one to change them lol

[@georgezagr6627]

Sad but true 😂

[@Ludwig1625]

That's so fucked up and delusional though

[@newyorkpotioncastle]

Yeah it has to do with their ego. They want to be special and different than the other girls.

[@johngutierrez8399]

*Joe "I'm the serial killer of elks" Rogan*

[@kenyenmusic7548]

Best comment ive seen so far 😂

[@andrewwarren8474]

Yet Elk find him very attractive

[@BlacksmithMMA]

@@kenyenmusic7548 you need higher standards my guy..

[@parkermatherne1161]

At the beginning of your video you were wondering why a lot of women seem to enjoy true crime documentaries, and as a woman it almost brings me a sense of comfort to be aware of the dangers in society. Statistically speaking, women are generally more fearful of violent crime due to the fact that in many cases of murder and assault, women are typically the victims. I guess being told from a young age to never walk anywhere alone and to always look for a possible escape route in a sketchy place has made me enjoy true crime because it almost feels as though I am learning and becoming more aware of the dangers that could await me if I put myself in the wrong situation. This is my perspective on why I think a lot of women enjoy true crime, does anyone else have a different perspective??? Excellent podcast!!!!!!

[@sociopath7541]

"Victims are mostly women". What makes you say that?

[@ericmanget4280]

@@sociopath7541 She's wrong, men are the primary victims of violence. This is mostly about hybristophilia, sexual arousal to people who are criminals

[@nerthus4685]

As a man, I do not fear violence and murder. I am struggling not to commit violence and murder on a daily basis. Road rage for example, or some dude giving me dirty looks.

[@sageforce9306]

Women are mostly the victims in their own head. Most victims of violent crimes are overwhelmingly men

[@darrellgainer6966]

You mean sexual crimes. Men are way more likely to be the victims of violent crimes.

[@A-Nonnie-Mouse]

"A good man is a very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control." -JP Women want a powerful, dangerous man. But the ones who want a serial killer are caught up in the fantasy/hope that he will somehow love them enough to not hurt *them*.

[@hat8918]

I don't think that is their biggest problem if their fantasy is allowing them to overlook their boyfriend's hobby.

[@A-Nonnie-Mouse]

@@hat8918: True. Just considering what creates the attraction.

[@musicandpoetry_8]

Yeah, like they’ll be the first person to change them into a better person

[@musicandpoetry_8]

I used to have a delusion like that, it’s kind of sad and says a lot about how low your self worth is

[@A-Nonnie-Mouse]

@@musicandpoetry_8 I think some of us grow up around monsters, and when you do, you seldom realize it. It just seems normal. Bad...but normal. And it shapes how we interpret love.

[@alidre2335]

Joe, please bring the full videos back to KZbin. Sincerely, Everyone

[@chadlarson4149]

Killing has never been looked down on, in any civilization. It's a matter of who's doing the killing and who's getting killed.

[@GhostlyNomad130]

Controversial Opinion. Proof? Or GTFO, Even killing in the name Of God was looked down upon by Many who don't have the same beliefs. I Think What you were trying to say was "Killing has never NOT been An Issue in ANY Civilization." REALLY? You don't say!?

[@GhostlyNomad130]

@@DT-bp2om What Is The Point? Because I think I missed it.Sounds like he is saying that killing is and has been justified by civilizations in the past depending on whose head is on the chopping block? Which while I agree is True to an extent, the way its conveyed through so few words kind of paints with broad brushstrokes. Also still waiting on an example?

[@chadlarson4149]

@@GhostlyNomad130 My proof is the entire written history of mankind. Nearly every religion, every single army, and every nation practiced, not only imperialism, but also defended their boarders from invading armies. If you were part of a military, you were expected to kill the enemy and are louded for doing so, the higher the body count, the more medals you get. Executing heretics, criminals, traitors, etc. What's shocking to me, is that you don't understand what I mean. Violence is condoned in every civilization the world over, the person on the receiving end of the violence is always scene as being deserving, if not by the individual commiting the violence, then the people who ordered the violence commited. A perfect example of this, is the entire history of the crusades, on every side. In more recent times, look at the recent civil unrest...everywhere. Have you not studied the history of mankind?

[@GhostlyNomad130]

@@chadlarson4149 History Is written by the Victor's. Wake up man, I know America Is founded upon savagery and slavery, everyone past Grade 4 knows. Instead of spouting obvious facts and attempting to chastise me for my "Lack of knowledge history" why don't you self reflect and read between the lines a little bit. Your statement only continues to proliferate the suffering of other by justifying it based upon historical precedent. "EVERYBODY IS VIOLENT LOL, LOOK AT History." No Shit, Doesn't help anything.

[@GhostlyNomad130]

@@chadlarson4149 The point I was making Was the way you boiled it down and then applied it to everyone without regard for those who have throughout history opposed such savage acts Like Gandhi offer a different perspective and allow a way out of this vicious cycle. Hence why I said Your painting with Broad Strokes, Not that you are wrong. But of course you read a comment that doesn't agree with what you believe and feel the need to offend. You should get off of the internet for a while, Might help you cool off a little bit.

[@Francois2120]

Cool discussion, hoping for more interviews with this interesting and insightful guy!

[@sarajones6046]

I loved Night Stalker! one of the best netflix documentaries on crime. Do more, please!

[@JimmyTurner]

Because those women are crazy

[@colonelsanders1611]

My wife once told me while we were dating that she has never feels more safe and in more danger than when she is with me. We're the kind of couple where people ask themselves "how did that guy get that girl." That's why. There's something to what JR said.

[@animeisyourfriend4521]

😂

[@commandershepard9601]

Need an update on this

[@LuisTorres-zm2xd]

You just like me fr🤪

[@craigcrawford6749]

And you kill your cereal every morning hero

[@seriouSamx]

Let’s be honest, she’s with your for your fried chicken fortune Mr. Sanders.

[@Enigmatik007]

One of the things I learnt in my adult life about women in general is Anger, Grief, Sadness,Joy, etc It’s all the same emotion to women. Anyhow they can get the emotion out of you. For reference ; - The Superior Man by David Deida

[@RANDYandJHERI]

Serial killers are often intelligent, motivated, creative, and charismatic - tell me a woman that doesn’t look for those things in a mate?

[@esraaashraf217]

Yes very interesting view, serial killers are charismatic

[@ericmanget4280]

This is a myth. The average IQ of a serial killer is below the general population's average

[@volcommadness]

I really enjoyed this guy. He has some amazing stories lol I wanna hear more!!

[@elizabethkarmellacomedian3872]

I watch these shows because it teaches me how not to fall victim to predators like this. I watch and listen to how these girls were grabbed, or how they were dooped into a dangerous situation by one of these killers. I put it in the back of my mind and I take it out to the world with me. If ever a situation arises and it has a faint similarity to these stories I’ve watched and remember...my guard is up and become instantly more vigilant of the encounter. It’s actually saved me from so sketchy situations already. 💯 I’m not obsessed with the killer. I want to watch them burn like everyone else. 🤣🤣

[@cjnv48]

The odds are very slim that you'll ever encounter a serial killer

[@creasedhorizon8931]

@@cjnv48 You want to be prepared if it does happen though. Plus you could also get murdered by someone who isn't a serial killer as in they might be a one time murderer. When you add in the fear of rape that women have, that becomes a lot more likely and still causes hyper vigilance when in public, for some women.

[@silewis9396]

Does it actually teach you how to not fall victim though? I don't watch these shows at all but over the years have had thoughts of being attacked or robbed (wondering what would I do) but have recently thought that if someone wants to get you they will because they're capable of planning better.

[@sinrotisserie67]

YES

[@jimjones8808]

Let's be honest, watching TV shows about killers is not likely to stop you being murdered by a sicko if you have the misfortune of encountering one in the wrong situation. A lot of these people are really good at hiding their true selves and can be extremely charming.

[@jschwets11]

Joe starts a sentence sometimes without knowing where it’s going 😂

[@thereisnosanctuary6184]

"You go back 1,000 years ago, murder musta been really common." Detroit: Fool, I do this every day.

[@compilationsfordays8493]

No in ancient times their were palaces built just watch people murder each other gore was much more acceptable and common because power was in the sword not the mind in those days

[@Will-xl7xp]

They kill in Detroit to rob and sometimes out of pride. Poverty creates crime But these serial killers kill for fun. They are much more unpredictable and evil

[@compilationsfordays8493]

@@Will-xl7xp none of the serial killers today even come close to genghis khan and proverty was much more severe in the ancient times as all the Detroit gangsters have something to eat and a place to stay and plus chiraq is worst when it comes to gun violence anyway and even the comparison of chiraq and ancients time when it comes to murder is preposterous

[@thedarksideoftheforce6658]

Send him Detroit no not Detroit.

[@richardhernandez4819]

I like how joes go to woman perspective is Whitney Cummings😂😂

[@ZOGstaffel]

Whitney Cummings? 😒 🤢 🤮

[@StanHowse]

Worst one of all. IMO

[@richardhernandez4819]

@@StanHowse I just find it funny 😂, no hate

[@goodgirl140]

Yeah, he goes to the opinion of the...anomaly.

[@StanHowse]

@@richardhernandez4819 I just don't find Whitney funny. She's like an older Amy Shcumer, that acts more like a dude.

[@LittleBoxXx]

These guys are taking the wrong approach asking the questions: you can't use logic on a woman.

[@nonexistenceisbliss9528]

Smart man.

[@------YeahOK------]

Still haven't checked Spotify. Prefer these bite sized clips. 😋

[@FreeFromWar]

Spotify is not available in my location. I am missing out on your show! Upload to KZbin again 😟

[@oathkeeper_z2708]

I will fix that

[@nenirouvelliv]

Ramirez's jawline alone would make most women drench their pants and start to ovulate.

[@Notoriousnipple]

“Drench their pants and start to ovulate.”

[@Shadowman820]

@@Notoriousnipple He had bath teeth but back then he wasn't unattractive look wise . But I sure wouldn't want to be around a serial killer .

[@crimson6952]

Yeah hes unironically a chad

[@osama2135]

Can’t imagine what it would look like if Edmund Kemper was in this podcast 🤣🤣 Edmund: I’ve killed my grandma Joe: I bet it was a great cardio workout

[@designerv5713]

They should have played Quake.

[@RapFa-Hater420]

Lmao

[@McQuinTrix]

Joe: I once took lot of DMT

[@evropa3570]

Lmao

[@fernendo4]

Lol

[@michellebelledejour]

There are Menendez brothers defenders, teens more specifically, who believe they should be free because their parents allegedly abused them. It blows my mind how anyone could defend people who would murder their parents. It tells me the lack of respect the newer generation has for their elders.

[@SWORDASH]

mostly women defend them btw .

[@michellebelledejour]

@@SWORDASH I’ve seen teens on Twitter but it doesn’t surprise that there are women believe they are innocent 🤢

[@gbeach85]

I mean, if their story was true, and they were being sexually, physically and psychologically tortured by their father then he had it coming. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@WazigeLogica]

I don't know.. I always went to the worst places when I was young in our city for a couple years.. Places where people faught regularly and got shot sometimes. It's also true that after a certain hour those were the only places that were open and I was an alcoholic.. I'm sure I would not have been there all the time or maybe even at all, had I been sober. And I am guilty of falling for "bad guys" in the past. Or one in particular. But it never made me feel safe or protected, at all.. Quite the opposit since he was more horrible to me than to others on a mental level. I am 42 now and over it thank god. Or I think I am over it. Time will tell, but I know I'm out if somebody new shows behavior that looks like my ex's. HECK NO, NO MORE OF THAT! I want to find somebody crazy that is not a whimp but certainly not the type to pick fights with random people at trafficlights etc.. If anything this characteristic puts me off.. But you guys are probably right that these women that go after the likes of Ramirez believe they will be that sole person he will not harm.. And it could be true. There are several serial-killers that had families that they did not harm.

[@haadnaeem5933]

Imagine Rogan and the other dude switched hairstyles 😲

[@stevieb6247]

Lol 😂

[@bushisback112]

Joe wishes lmao

[@MRPfrfr]

I like how everyone else is commenting an answer to the question and you come up with that. Top notch!

[@albierodriguez9797]

Are you high? 😂

[@andoliniv2596]

@@albierodriguez9797 yes he is

[@1TakoyakiStore]

If I had to guess, in addition to the idea of taming the untamable, I just think that there's a certain percentage of heterosexual women who are attracted to intense personalities. It's why lots of women love rockstars no matter how gross or unbearable they are. But the smallest percentage, and the craziest are the ones who in some weird way wish they could die but can't do it themselves and see these serial killers as a way to achieving this, and becoming known, and the feeling of not being alone during it all.

[@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare]

dude, this is spot on for me! The intense personalities part and the wanting to die but can't get it done myself. I don't see why that makes me crazy. So being depressed makes people crazy...

[@1TakoyakiStore]

@@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare Well, wanting to kill yourself isn't normal. Any act to want to end a life, even oneself isn't normal. I must apologize as there are many people (unfortunately) who suffer from depression so, while by any means not normal, it is common. Common doesn't usually bring to mind crazy. I guess a better description would be something between a wounded mind and a chronic illness. My Wife suffers from bouts of depression on occasion so I am much more sympathetic now than when I was just a couple of months ago as she finally has moved in. I hope you get the help you need. Stay safe.

[@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare]

@@1TakoyakiStore I am on medication for bipolar disorder. And that's all there is.

[@Karen-or9nt]

I would say yes. At 18 I thought I’d commit by 23. I was attracted to powerful huge men who were bad natured and violent because I knew it was dangerous. I’ve grown now (23) and realized it’s bad but it’s still with me now it’s just dulled down. I know it’s not right but I’m not sure what I can do to stop the feeling

[@bogeydope3022]

Isn't it more that you want a guy that takes what he wants? Since bad guys do that, it is very attractive on the first look. Since there aren't enough men that can give a women what she desires without abusive behavior, she will always be attracted to the guys having at least some trades of the men she wants. No women wants a "nice guy", and only now i can completely understand that. It took me a whole 30 years to really understand what that means and to really have a meaningful relationship with an attractive women that i desire beside her looks, because she feels that I'm not doing that for affection, but because i want to. Women are exceptionally good at reading men, that's why you can't play games for long. Was a long and bumpy road which required to overcome my most ugly shortcomings.@@Karen-or9nt

[@donnadonna124]

I really love watching those scary stories it’s really fun

[@dixoncider7704]

I think the fascination comes from the unknowables since murder isn’t something that is in everyone’s mind like I’d imagine a murderer or serial killer would enjoy watching and reading about things that occur in everyone’s daily life

[@ChoLestrangee]

Because women most of the time go for something that is not good for them, there is something about the toxicity that attracts them. Just like when they leave a good and as they say boring relationship for some bad guy and when that bad guy does something that is a regular trait of a bad guy they lose their sh*t and do all the drama.

[@gambit3950]

My ex GF told me she desired a guy because he spent 10 years in prison and had a long criminal history. She thought it was so hot, he gave her 2 kids and bounced out of her life.

[@tonyh1345]

Same with my ex GF, it’s almost like them not knowing what’s good for them always ends up in their own self destruction.

[@killanige]

I'm glad that's your EX Gf

[@sacramentallyill]

Karma

[@BennettParsons1]

Real talk, how was her relationship with her dad?

[@TopFlightSecurity415]

@@tonyh1345 thats why they had arranged marriages back then lol...they knew women werent good at making good decisions when it came to choosing mates

[@scorpionacrab4814]

Think it’s more like those women probably experienced trauma and that they find a sense of control choosing to watch obsess or whatever outlet it is towards a darker energy.

[@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare]

yes!

[@NK-nk3xe]

Didn't see this exact thought yet in the comments, but it's the exact trope in every romance novel target to women. The male is dark and edgy (thus powerful and able to protect) but however unavailable. But she, is the one who he finally settles down for. Same reason girls love vampire romance and of course the 50 Shades series.