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[@justinjustin4605]

If youre gonna hold to old earth you have to believe there was death before the fall. This requires a drastic change in the view of sin, death, and God.

[@randomusername2761]

There were no HUMAN deaths before the fall, and humans are the most important part of God's creation--they were the ones to which God gave the grace to live forever, and Adam and Eve rejected this (yes, I believe in a historical Adam and Eve too). This was at the point in the evolutionary process where humans could rationally comprehend the idea of accepting God's grace. Someone who can't understand God's grace can't be a recipient of it. If the fall had not occurred, there would be no HUMAN deaths.

[@randomusername2761]

Also, macroevolution will not continue to occur in humans, hence why the human race is still God's ultimate life creation. Even the new atheist evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins thinks that humans being civilised means more intelligent humans are no more or less likely to have more children than less intelligent humans, so that objection fails.

[@Florida_Bullfrog]

“6k years old” isn’t the only YEC position. There’s some good reason to believe the Septuagint’s timeline is more accurate than the Masoretic text’s, which adds more millennia to the age of the earth. The early church fathers (at least the first couple of centuries) seemed to all agree that the Septuagint’s timeline was the correct one, as did Josephus.

[@MichaelAndrews-uy1gl]

You are absolutely right...no one can determine the exact age of the earth, including young earth creationists. It's as obvious as the nose on your face, that something happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. We don't know how long the time period was, and it would be speculation to pinpoint it. It could be 10,000, 50,000, 570,000, or millions and perhaps, billions of years. Why some Bible scholars prefer to ignore this, is an enigma. I sincerely hope that you will at least consider the point that I am making, and look into this objectively.

[@Pyr0Ben]

I don't know... Moses gives a pretty clear chronology from Adam down to Noah, including how old each man was when they had children. You don't get millions of years from reading the Bible. I agree that we can't know the age for sure just by relying on science; Scientists and YECs have been going back and forth interpreting evidence different ways. They only way to know for sure what happened in the past is to have a reliable historical account. That's exactly what the Bible is.

[@ryanesau8147]

No that’s incorrect. Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 is one phrase ..it’s connected , there is no Gap. Read it KJV. “In the beginning God created then heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form”. There is an AND in the middle that connects them…some modern versions take that out but the original translation from the Hebrew makes it clear it’s one basic concept and sentence

[@cannon9521]

@@ryanesau8147it doesn’t work well to argue from translation. It’s important to go back to the original language

[@ryanesau8147]

@@cannon9521 yep and original languge tells you creation week is 6 literal 24 hr days...Ive already done the background work. There are no gaps, there is no milkions of years and theologically millions of years of death and decay makes no sense whatsoever

[@cannon9521]

@@ryanesau8147 “makes no sense whatsoever” is a bold claim coming from someone who allegedly studied this topic.

[@waynejamel6703]

If God created the world longer than 6 days he would have said it. Why is it so hard to take God at his word. He specified and defined that the evening and morning make up each day. God isnt throw a curve ball on the first page. Praise God he was very clear. When it exodus it says he created the world in 6 days and the seventh day he rested which sets the pattern for us to keep the Sabbath day holy on the seventh-day, he was being very clear about what happened. God is not the author of confusion. So why not read it in the keast confusing way possible. Just take it literally.

[@clay8546]

You realize “time” isn’t a universal thing. Our perception of time only exists because we exist on earth and have gravity bending it An being outside of space and time would not experience hours, only creates on earth experience hours

[@randomusername2761]

The early church fathers did NOT think the 6-day period was literal. Watch Michael Jones from InspiringPhilosophy on this and on the BIBLICAL problems for young earth creationism. When Jesus said, 'I am the door', he didn't mean he had a handle and a hinge and that he was made out of wood.

[@randomusername2761]

No, no, no--God does not want to communicate a scientific truth as to exactly how the earth was created but, instead, explain the importance of God's creation and God's people. If God said, 'The earth is 4.6 billion years old and, through a gradual evolutionary process, simple forms of life became more complex until roughly 200,000-50,000 years ago, where humans came to be', that would be a meaningless, pointless statement that humans would not understand. Not only do I dispute that God 'specified and defined that the evening and morning make up each day', there is no concept of an evening and morning until the creation of the sun and the sun was created on the fourth day. Not only that, God said, 'let there be light' before there was light, since, as I just said, the sun was created on the fourth day. The concept of an evening-morning day is universally intelligible, so God used this metaphor to communicate the the wonder of His creation. You're exactly right about the Sabbath, but that doesn't prove a literal reading of the days at all. God rested not because He was exhausted, but because He had reached the ultimate goal of His creation. He can take as much or as little time as He wants to do this, because He is omnipotent, and therefore limited neither by time nor space. No, I won't 'just take it literally'. If God is not the author of confusion, why did He allow science to constantly verify that the earth is old and that evolution between species occurred if the truth were not scientifically evidenced? The vast majority of Christians believe in the real age of the earth and in evolution, and the creation account in Genesis 1 had been countlessly interpreted by the church as figurative long before science was able to refute it, so why are you enlightened few right?

[@Bennyboy210]

6k years old 😂😂😂