Why aren’t French clubs better in Europe? 👀

[@iamthesword1180]

He's absolutely right. Here in Germany, managers always complain about Premier League buying their best players - five minutes later, they sign another talent from Stade Rennais...

[@CirphrankGG]

😂

[@davinnicode]

Rightfully so. France has the best talents and in Germany there is higher chance that they can play in international competitions

[@pazthepole2814]

It’s not even true tho. Is Timo Werner the best? Havertz? Players stay at these clubs for a long time and they receive huge fees, unlike in France where clubs are so poorly ran they lose players prematurely or they keep them until they have little value.

[@iamthesword1180]

@@pazthepole2814 Well, I didn't say "the best German players", but the best players from German clubs. Apart from München and Dortmund (to a much lesser degree, see Haaland), all German clubs suffer from it. Take the last two transfer periods (Summer 23 and Winter 23/24): Leipzig alone lost Gvardiol (Man City), Szoboszlai (Liverpool) and Nkunku (Chelsea). Other notable examples are Freiburg's Flekken and Schade (both Brentford), Stuttgart's Endo (Liverpool) and Mavropanos (West Ham) or Leverkusen's Diaby (Aston Villa). But you can go on: Wolfsburg's Van de Veen (Tottenham), Möchengladbach's Beyer (Burnley), Bremen's Gruev (Leeds).... I don't say that all of them do well in the Premier League, but they were very important for their clubs in Germany. And by the way: Yes, Kai Havertz was considered Leverkusen's finest player when he left for Chelsea in 2020...

[@derEnzon]

Just like the premierleague complained after Saudi Arabia started to pay even more money than them

[@valeriotorchio]

Carra: "the best players in the woeerld" 😂

[@agbarakelechukwu199]

😂😂😂,such an English tin

[@samplesandloops]

Merseyside accent 😂

[@brunoshkurti7740]

hahahahah

[@Prince-lo3nz]

Lol, he is serious

[@suittie5552]

"beist" players

[@elijahknox4421]

"the power of the premier league, money, why do you think I'm here speaking English on tnt?"

[@jamalrobinson2159]

And offered very little in return for all that money

[@Touk764]

He got more international titles than 5 generations of British 😂

[@Touk764]

@@jamalrobinson2159 you talking about the invincible Thierry Henry ?

[@PunofHarts]

It is CBS not TNT

[@marvinbrando722]

And TNT in Spanish. CBS Golaso ESPN en Espanol Etc, etc, etc. He is 100% right. Very hard to compete. Premier league the richest La Liga, second

[@skiller2922]

best clubs in the weeeeeeld

[@olivier3516]

Shadio Maneh

[@dimitrisk02]

I’m being sheerrious, I’m being sheerrious

[@AK47Reload]

Real Madrid entered the chat

[@maganrescues]

​@@dimitrisk02no ifs, buts or maybes!

[@patsonu774]

😃😃😃

[@KarlSkorger]

"The Dutch are not there anymore" Flashbacks of Guilit, Davies Ajax 😢

[@kasper7250]

PSV this year

[@ismarwinkelman5648]

@@kasper7250Precies!

[@yasheebfaridi2888]

Yup. PSV Ajax.

[@fiscolorado656]

I used to play FIFA as Celtic on Playstation back in the day. I remember when the Dutch were tough. That's all. Carry on.

[@ledealerdecaba]

He speak about club. Ajax won it 30 years ago, and it was a surprise, after a boring final, ended up 1-0, and a goal scored by a 18 years old substitute

[@dafeng2623]

Agreed. French clubs and Netherlands clubs struggle to keep star players due to lack strength of financial.

[@Armin.89]

Not just finances, there's also prestige. Winning any championship is a challenge, but with all due respect nothing can compare to the EPL. (Even tho lately it became a farmers league, but that's Pep and UEFA effect)

[@dafeng2623]

​​@@Armin.89😂 don't think EPL is a farmer league. Liverpool and Arsenal almost overcame Manchester City to win the EPL titles. La Liga and Bundesliga really are farmer leagues. Barcelona and Real Madrid stay top over other opponents in large point gap. That's why Real Madrid could win more UCL titles without spend a lot energy against local rivals in league. Bayern Munich dominance in Bundesliga always exists.

[@fastpacedsports]

Not just the French & Dutch throw Italy In There too, we’ve had multiple young talents pulled from Italy to go to England & flop under the pressure

[@dafeng2623]

​@@fastpacedsportsThierry Henry was a flop in Italy before he joined Arsenal. He scored several goals against Italian clubs in UCL. Joao Felix was a flop at Atletico Madrid after he was rated highly in Portugal. Every league has pressure for young players rated highly. Understand?

[@fastpacedsports]

@@dafeng2623 Where did I mention pressure?, What I mentioned was talent poaching & the EPL is the biggest one

[@Mr_Linka]

There’s only one answer to Carragher’s question… MONEY! 💷💶💷💶❗️❗️❗️

[@eoin8156]

French teams were always up to nothing in Europe even before money took over. Celtic, red star , Porto, benfica , Hamburg , Ajax , psv , feyenoord, Dortmund , villa , Forrest , Bucharest all under dogs who won European cups while only Marseille ever won from France .

[@Mr_Linka]

@@eoin8156 Most players won’t admit it, but money is probably the number one factor in making a footballing decision..? Look at Saudi right now, and China a few years ago.

[@lesswanted]

Then still more money than Spain… and…

[@lasaintebriocheissouhhh692]

@@eoin8156 Nothing ? Appart from Marseille, Nantes/Reims/Auxerre/PSG (yes in 90s)/Saint Etienne and Lyon were really strong before Bosman change. Some off them reach UCL final.

[@sskmanentsa5326]

A lot of them were not even underdogs, especially that Celtic team. The domestic leagues from various countries were strong enough to produce 2 to 3 great teams.

[@barca.fan_11]

Dutch's not there anymore, I remember prime modern Ajax , which was immediately dismantle as plyers were sold to big clubs

[@halamadridpatriotsnationgo1057]

what's wrong with netherlands? don't they have money in general, like country economical wise?

[@alirastafari]

We're also very egalitarian and cheap. It's such a shame how every good player that drifts up gets sold to the bigger leagues only to flop there. What if that Ajax was allowed to mature together? Can't blame the players individually, but have Frenkie de Jong, Mathijs de Ligt, Hakim Ziyech really benefited from their transfers? They could've each gotten a statue in Amsterdam if they stayed there for 3 more seasons.

[@Sven-kj2uh]

@@halamadridpatriotsnationgo1057 Clubs in bigger competitions earn more money, so they can just buy the better best players of smaller competitions.

[@Poebz-mv1cg]

@@halamadridpatriotsnationgo1057 It's a small country, so they don't have the same viewership and money to spend. I think they should fuse with the Belgian competition to make it competitive again.

[@vauquelon799]

@@Poebz-mv1cg Nah, the Belgian clubs cannot compete with the Dutch clubs

[@adrianyoyo3635]

I would reverse the question, why does England has the best league in the world but the national team has never won anything

[@brunoshkurti7740]

they have win one world cup not nothing and have been in the final and semi final in the last 2 tournaments

[@Iron-Bridge]

Because the best English players all play in ...uh, nevermind 😁🤣

[@fuerstmetternich1997]

@@brunoshkurti7740 The World Cup which was stolen from Germany.

[@only4comments]

Because they can only pick English players for the national team

[@brunoshkurti7740]

@@fuerstmetternich1997 nope wasn't stolen anyways who cares anymore

[@Erwanca]

So true PL fans blaming and calling PSG a money club while completely plunder other countries by buying every wonder kinds with millions is quite ironic.

[@Frosty1979]

Yeah, most Premier league clubs are as disgusting as PSG:

[@SudeepAdhikari0611]

Very true

[@ayush9534]

How it's PL clubs fault? They had a better league system, more audience, a mid table teams earns more money that serie A winners If they had this type of money legitimately why won't they spend money to make league more interesting?? Madrid also draw World best players. Zidane R9 Figo Cristiano bale Benzema kaka these are fkin ballan ballan dor winners and were best player from their league. Why don't people give their opinions when these clubs pulled best players So why will PL stop?

[@seyioyetade]

Hmmm I guess Madrid is a joke to u

[@Ameisenigelytk]

Only because PL teams are mostly oil clubs, doesn't mean PSG isn't one. What logic is that?

[@aidygooner]

It's unfortunate that Lyon and Marseille cannot be as competitive as PSG and bring more excitement and respectability to French football. 😢

[@legomarkvin2023]

It would be good for a group from the Arab world to invest in them like PSG, that would make a lot of difference and bring more responsibility for professionalism.

[@dchegu]

Guess u are too young to remember when Lyon won the french league like 7-8 times in a row while psg was the ultimate banter club.

[@aidygooner]

@@dchegu your comment has nothing to do with the present as Lyon are so far behind PSG now. I started watching football during Lyon's dominance and their team back then was a solid team, well respected and feared by Europe's best teams (especially Real Madrid) unlike this PSG team who are laughable considering the resources they have. PSG seems to think that their status matches the global status of their city. 😂

[@michaelmaccrazy]

As a PSG fan, I would love for a couple of those clubs to be more competitive. If you remember, Monaco had a takeover around the same time as PSG...they had players like James Rodriguez and Falcao) but their owner got divorced and never really financially recovered from that.

[@aidygooner]

@@michaelmaccrazy it's so unfortunate that a gold digger destroyed the destiny of Monaco. 😭 This is why men not only need to choose carefully but if they're the main moneymaker then they need to sign a contract in the marriage where the divorced wife doesn't get financially rewarded for something she hasn't earned or contributed to.

[@delta2370]

France actually has some really underrated teams but england, spain, germany and Italy are just too huge powehouses. The best teams in these 4 are just a step( some 2) above the best french teams.

[@adrianyoyo3635]

National England team never won anything

[@ragunanthan787]

​@@adrianyoyo3635 he is talking about the clubs clearly🤦. Where are other French nation team members playing apart from Mbappe? Now even mbappe is moving to spain.

[@thephantomterence9211]

Money talks…

[@wahabalrefai4987]

Money Before oil teams No new team in any league could think of cempeting agianst the giants The giants had billions spending only few millions because no one else can Oil teams made everyone rich so now everyone can get to competw

[@charliezz6746]

​@@adrianyoyo3635French clubs are not very good yet their national team is one of the best in the world and quite successful in major tournaments unlike most French club teams

[@L1nk2002]

French clubs got some of the best young players in the world, problem is as they said they all go playing in other, more competitive leagues.

[@mariomassaro8809]

Carranger:”the best players in the woäæəërld”

[@clemsi7596]

Spot on. And people complain psg just have money. How else were they meant to complete with the rest of Europe.

[@ajinkyakelkar9983]

This aged beautifully

[@zochiang]

How does this aged??? It's from this week UCL match😂.mf

[@Ben-sb3hk]

@@zochiang mbappe gone Bro. Like milk

[@danielalmeida7382]

@@Ben-sb3hk he not gone yet. So it hasn’t aged badly

[@DeTaxxman]

@@danielalmeida7382he is gone, there is a 99.9% chance he is leaving

[@FredLimestone]

hes already said hes gone@@danielalmeida7382

[@WaltuhUlbricht]

Brazil has historically had some of the best players in the world and yet they have no teams there to compete with the european ones.

[@isaacjones5687]

Because Brazils league is set up in a way that ensures teams don’t dominate the competition. One year you can win the league, the next you could be fighting relegation vice versa. Whereas these european leagues do not care, as long as they’re making money. Brazilian football has a lot more integrity than the majority of European football. And also, European teams almost instantaneously poach young Brazilian talent and bring them to Europe, which doesn’t give Brazilian teams a chance to receive the maximum amount of potential, profit and ability wise, which means they are almost always unable to compete. Though that being said, teams like Flamengo, are probably about the same level as teams like Shakhtar Donetsk, Club Brugge, or Olympiacos. So it’s not as if they couldn’t compete.

[@nottestellata5201]

In italy we have the opposite problem. Almost no one is abroad. I think it's good to make both experiences

[@ugugublu2951]

And hardly anybody is in italy either.

[@Anradak]

it was always like that, Serie A was the best league by far. its a pity it fell from grace

[@nottestellata5201]

@@ugugublu2951 except the france national team ahah Maignan, Giroud, Pavard, Theo, Thuram, Rabiot

[@ugugublu2951]

@@nottestellata5201 It's the farm-league for everybody - except for italy itself. It's a tragedy.

[@markmclewis6737]

@@ugugublu2951yes for everybody who is deluded. Farm league that secured a 5th spot in CL with over 2 months ahead the end of the season and that sits second in the fifa ranking. Envy gnawing at your heart

[@zisssssou]

I love how Carragher is acting how he didn't understand the situation.... When everybody know professionnal football has just become an industry. 😂 A machine the French government decided to not finance. All French clubs are all paying legal taxes when Spain and especially England are just fiscal paradises for football club investors. France is forming players, England is buying some. That's ok. 😉

[@Gog.Magog.]

Makes sense

[@RooseCochran]

C’est vrai

[@Lostouille]

Effectivement. Laissons les imploser , on prendra le dessus quand ils seront fatigués 😂🎉

[@L.O.B.O.]

Believe me, Spain is anything but a "fiscal paradise" in which to invest.

[@parmentier7457]

The Netherlands were good until the late 90's. 5 x Champions League 3 x Intercontinental Cup 4 x UEFA Cup 2 x UEFA Supercup 1 x UEFA Cupwinners Cup

[@oportbis]

Yes, that's exactly his point

[@davidlevendeurdevin7733]

Yes but how much since Bosman ruling? 1 for Rotterdam and I think it's done... Nederland and France have the same problem, they are less attractive 💶. And before the 80's french teams don't stay on the top for decades like Bayern, real Madrid or Ajax: Reims during the 50's st Étienne in the 70's. Marseille were good in the 80'/90's but after winning the CL, they were banned for corruption in French league.

[@vitodoriacalcio]

The money isn't there in French football bar PSG. Although Bernard Tapie was controversial figure, at least he brought elite talent to Marseille and had some great players in the late 1980s and early 90s.

[@ZalshahZalshah]

"Bosman Rules"... changes everything...

[@salfetka]

Interesting what Henry says but Germany won the World Cup a few years ago but most of them played in Germany. They didn't play in Spain and England.

[@onlyenzoYT]

He is talking about clubs not international. Even if they played in their country it’s different conversation rlly

[@onlyenzoYT]

accept Jesus Christ 🙏🏽❤️repent

[@GBO76]

Don't forget that before 1995, every club in Europ could only have 3 foreigners in their team. That Bosman law has been the game changer for the poorest championships. And France is one of them for 2 reasons : lack of supporters (for any comparable city, there are 2 or 3 times more supporters in Germany or England), enormous taxes.

[@onlyenzoYT]

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[@isaacjones5687]

French teams have very large fanbases. Teams like Saint Etienne, Lyon, Stratsbourg, Nantes, Lille, Marseille, PSG, etc. all have strong fanbases. To say a lack of support is a problem in France is like saying PSG’s problem is a lack of funds.

[@GBO76]

@@isaacjones5687 Your large fanbases are nothing if you compare them with England or Germany. PSG's money doesn't come from its supporters...and even if they are limited by their stadium, don't forget that PSG is the only club in Paris playing in Ligue 1 ( while there are 4 or 5 in London, and 2 almost every big city in Europ...Milan, Roma, Milanp, Madrid...). Take Lyon instead. Same number in inhabitants as Dortmund. You can't compare the two fanbases, at all. Take any city of your list, Strasbourg, St Etienne, Nantes, Lilles, compare their fancases with cities in England or Germany, you will see that France doesn't have enough supporters to stand up against other european countries.

[@financialliberty2381]

Enormous taxes is the key factor

[@financialliberty2381]

@@GBO76lol look at the noise psg fans did at Anfield, Old Trafford, Bernabeu or Camp Nou....they almost ridiculized them. So much for French fans not having passion for their clubs

[@timhinfort1171]

It’s because league 1 is unattractive. If you are a bright French talent you either go straight to the premier league, cause of the money, or you go to a team that can give you European football so you can develop and present yourself on a bigger stage. Germany is very popular with French players cause these teams often guarantee you playing time and do decently well in European competitions.

[@NB-or8rs]

They are very popular with french players because of the money. The Bundesliga has 1.1 billion per year in TV rights. Ligue 1 is barely at 700 millions per year. I don't think you realize how much more money you have and how deep the difference is between France and the top 4 leagues

[@javiceres]

Or go to Spain to win the Champions League

[@onlyenzoYT]

And they also cannot go to psg bcs they have money and can just buy bigger talent that will make u less noticeable

[@onlyenzoYT]

accept Jesus Christ 🙏🏽❤️

[@financialliberty2381]

@@NB-or8rsthey most of all don't realize how high the taxes are in France for the big salaries

[@jonidacosta4590]

Pretty much, same with Portugal, i wish we could hold on to our talent a bit more until they are 23-25

[@vaindioux]

I have been explaining what Thierry just said for decades to farmer league comments! Imagine if France kept most of their best players and grabbed a good number of EPL players! The farmer league would be north of the channel!

[@justinsm]

Who can did that outside PSG? look at Marseille maybe taking Aubameyang after his career have been declining not like when he was in his peak career at Dortmund and Arsenal. Lyon taking Depay from man Utd, right but the result they can't hold him after the UCL semi. Drogba, Giroud, Hazard you name it

[@Theoneswholive723]

They Dutch and the Italian leagues ruled in the 80s n 90s

[@hitthurdeaux]

This is one of the main reasons why I always oppose anybody saying “top 5 leagues”. There is only the top 4.

[@matletico]

So what do you think Ligue 1 should do to improve ?

[@jczura5602]

attract investors to buy teams and pump in money to keep their best talent. money is the only solution sadly.

[@onlyenzoYT]

accept Jesus Christ 🙏🏽❤️

[@onlyenzoYT]

Repent

[@Lostouille]

Still top 5 or 6

[@_MC529]

Carragher's accent is too funny.

[@Jon14141]

Damn

[@beardandbelly6003]

I think in the Bundesliga perhaps more attention is paid to good team chemistry than in other leagues. Judging by the names alone, PSG should have clearly made it to the final. Leverkusen is the prime example. If they stick their team together...dress warmly!

[@HIMCULES]

Don't flatter yourself, it's the taxes in France.

[@beardandbelly6003]

@@HIMCULES Of course it's the taxes. Directly after the particulate matter level and the tire pressure in cars.

[@HIMCULES]

@@beardandbelly6003 I am sorry to have wasted your time.

[@beardandbelly6003]

@@HIMCULES You didn't. You wrote something similar in another comment. But I don't see the point. what does this have to do with team building?

[@HIMCULES]

@@beardandbelly6003 Henry said all the good players leave France. I said it's obviously because there is a 75% tax on people making over a million a year. Hence no players to build with.

[@AlejandroGonzalez-ph3yo]

PSG can't whine about money either

[@gvngbvngiggy]

Yeah but every other french club cant even compete domestically

[@michaelmaccrazy]

The point went over your head. PSG has money but the other 17 clubs....not so much. And because of that, it has consequences such as the inability to retain young talents which is important in a league's development.

[@thiccchungo1041]

PSG is the sole representative of Ligue 1 in Europe because they actually have money and can punch at the same level as the super rich clubs that are already at the top

[@hark14imb]

That proves Henry's point more because that's the only reason Mbappe is still in France. Money dictates where players go

[@vincentlo7678]

And PSG is the only club floating above the rest. So they power through every league without facing any adversity. They need strong opposition no just in CL but also in Ligue 1 otherwise they gonna be stagnating.

[@mreuro2004]

french teams just don’t have what it takes, rarely you see a french team winning some european silverware, portuguese team, for example, have less money than french teams and do more, the last club to win either champions league or europa league outside the top4 leagues is actually Porto…

[@davidjean-marie6302]

The difference is France has world renowned academies and their players get scouted early and end up playing abroad for more money.

[@junaid_2107]

French team is the French national team, Oh and they do have what it takes...I dont why people consider club teams to be an indicator of national teams strength. Its a very English thing to do for obvious reasons. How English is Man City?..The philosphy is of a Spaniard, most of their top players are non-English...

[@sohtnax7809]

2004 son. You talk about this like they win the champions league on a daily basis 😂 0 footbakl Knowledge It's been 20 years. Of course it's about money, besides psg there is not a single team out of the top4 leagues that reached top4 in UCL in the last decade

[@daprox3893]

@@sohtnax7809 ajax in 2019

[@MovieRiotHD]

​@@daprox3893Yeah, PSV 2005, but that's longer back.

[@cliffdewind1389]

True that..Henry always know what is what..!!

[@aminaali8402]

Someone has to stop jamie's weerld😂.

[@brunoshkurti7740]

hahahah

[@bekzodakhmedov9466]

Best players in the weld 😂

[@chrisrhodes2]

We all know money is ruining sports, yet we do nothing about it. Can't complain if we don't resist

[@alexisdosis5524]

Uefa should put a cap on maximum number of foreign players allowed on teams. Then you would see the real value of teams outside england spain etc

[@kaylanlayton]

PSG are 1 of the richest clubs in the world nd richer than most clubs in prem nd la liga nd all them

[@robertohidalgo782]

Hahaha Not More Than Manchester City

[@marcomagrin7611]

Yeah but the rest of the league is piss poor

[@onlyenzoYT]

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[@onlyenzoYT]

Repent

[@Captain_n_1]

Beautiful tie on Carra

[@tntg5]

Also, because of the fan count. Football is way more popular in the uk, Germany and Spain than it is in France. Just look at how many people watch second or third division in stadiums in these countries

[@ericdva1408]

French watch less but play more

[@justinsm]

Is this should be reason? i believe Le Classique (47.926) is more watched than El-Gran Derby (42.222), Aston Villa vs Wolves (42.640), or Werder Bremen vs Darmstadt (42.358)

[@MrIkOgNiTo]

​@@justinsm Werder Bremen vs Darmstadt isn't a derby. Bremen is a traditional big club while Darmstadt is a nobody like SCO Angers. If you have to compare le classique to Bremen vs Darmstadt that's a bad sign for french football.

[@hamersb]

Amazing point. Dutch, Portugal, France. Turkey, all of these countries…they are food for the fodder. Spain and England. And occasionally Bayern in Germany. Competition needs to be revamped everywhere

[@MrIkOgNiTo]

Turkey? 😅 When turkey has ever produced good players on a large scale?

[@kyojin439]

Mbappe in not the only French superstar in Paris… they got dembele😂

[@MB-do3vl]

If the power of PL is the money, which is the excuse for Spain? They just produce big quality players from under categories. Not all the teams on LaLiga have the same economic possibilities anyways and at the same time, include European champions such as Sevilla, Athletic, Atletico, Valencia... So, what's your point?

[@BlazySM-qp4yn]

because La liga is bigger and ligue 1 is smaller nothing more to it

[@ernestocaro9802]

France used to have PSG, Monaco, Olympique Marseille,Olympique Lyon, Gyrondins Burdeox (i don’t know ho to spell it LOL) but now it’s just PSG

[@evansbezil7450]

Could’ve just said Bordeaux 😂

[@ernestocaro9802]

@@evansbezil7450 😆😆😆

[@Faustdessüdens]

Germany does it without all the money we have all the heart and the best mentality

[@eljonsen2586]

True

[@Gog.Magog.]

Yes I agree

[@danx4813]

Except for Bayern

[@muhammed1896-z4b]

​@@danx4813 Bayern don't spend like other top club

[@danx4813]

@@muhammed1896-z4b i agree with that

[@hrodebrt]

I miss when Lyon and Marseille were regulars in the CL, the atmosphere at those stadiums was always amazing to see

[@kasper7250]

Henry basically says the French League is a farmers League

[@kibron4869]

He’s saying that other league have more money and that’s French talents are attracted there, specially in Premier League

[@jamiewilliams423]

Which basically means when you play well in ligue1 you leave ligue1, which makes it a farmer's league. Get it?? ​@@kibron4869

[@Support-your-local-team]

EPL has all the money in the world and is still a farmers league.

[@cyberturkey77]

​@@kibron4869 PSG probably has more money than the prem lol

[@kibron4869]

@@cyberturkey77 bro a league isn’t made of just one club

[@carlosbrazao6039]

Henry is soooo jealous of CR7 the only G.O.A.T.

[@pekar43]

Well yeah Henry is right The only club in France that attracts top talent and top managers is PSG, because they have finances, while the other clubs can barely compete, unlike the prem where the profit margin is spread more equally than Ligue Une Edit: with that said they are becoming more similar because of clubs like Manchester City so we might even see a downfall of the league in the future if not prevented

[@MovieRiotHD]

And club management sucks as far as I can tell!

[@ragunanthan787]

Apart from Grealish City never plundered other clubs in the league🤦‍♂️ .Bayern and PSG farm other teams every year. Its very different.

[@pekar43]

@@ragunanthan787 That's a fair point for now, but that might begin sooner rather than later

[@ArielleXArielle]

what a beautifully educated comment you've made here. It's the exact reason(s) you've said here, why French teams don't do well in Europe. PSG hoovers up all of the talent, and so they're winning each and every year. If they don't change the structure there, then nothing will change. And if nothing changes that league will always be boring, and the best players will leave for other leagues. If the Premier League doesn't do something urgent about Manchester City winning each season, eventually the brand will be damaged. The PL allowed City to cheat and grow into a juggernaut for many years, and now it's in danger of turning in the French league. We are all waiting to see what the powers in charge will do about it.

[@ragunanthan787]

@@ArielleXArielle Where were you when United were dominating and liverpool were dominating in the 70s and 80s

[@A-Boogie-uw9hr]

His suit is clean. Lord

[@miguelvalsassina4547]

Portugal with 9 european trophys say hello 😂

[@rintojulian2680]

Agree

[@TheRap_Talk]

the answer is football heritage of the league.

[@edderkoppemand]

best players in the whale

[@michaeljules7009]

Carragher, now I understand why Messi calls you Burro...

[@miniman423]

i mean germany dont have the money to spend on players but look where leverkusen,dortmund and bayern are

[@danx4813]

"Bayern has no money" LOL

[@miniman423]

@@danx4813 ye but they barely spend as much as any other big club like psg,united,chelsea,madrid etc etc you know what i mean

[@AbuChabi65]

@@danx4813Bayern is the best run club in the world this is why they can afford great players we still dont have any oil money and sell our clubs to sheikhs like the premier League does

[@Jighmgg]

​@@danx4813Bayern has no investor. All their money is earned through good managment over decades

[@lilj2326]

@@miniman423tbf they just pick off all the best players from the teams around them

[@jaydee8553]

The problem is also high taxations at the club level which makes it difficult to bring players except for PSG who have unlimited money. We are in the business of selling our players. Our club are solid but not as good however the national team is great because the massive experience our players are getting. England on the other hand doesn't really export their players. Great clubs but national team not so much.

[@cedric3110]

In France it's the tax that scares you away

[@francoisperrin7397]

Just food for thoughts: above 250 000 euros annually, some taxes are capped so that means you'll pay the same amount of money wherever you earn 500 000 euros or 1 000 000 euros. Of course, not many people know that.

[@michaelmaccrazy]

You might be onto something. France has the second highest tax rate in Europe.

[@houssedecouette4056]

@@michaelmaccrazy absolute non sence , otherise why did QDI invest in PSG , the taxation rate especially with the right scheems is not that high for big fortunes

[@cedric3110]

almost no big player or bisnesman returns to live in France after having made a fortune to protect themselves from taxes, asks Thierry Henry 😉

[@houssedecouette4056]

@@cedric3110 BS the wealthy are champion at taxe evasion and lobying to get special taxe deductions

[@Metalviking18]

One of the issues about this, it's because there's not really very much enough of competition in France, like it's in Germany, Spain, and England, having competition it, brings more talent and elevates level and power for all this teams and that's why a lot of the French teams are always falling short in the competition.

[@iRanjid]

People say that about the Bundesliga too, only League without investors yet still international successful 😊

[@fillbrin]

Not really, putting bayern aside, it's been decades since a german team won the champions league. It's also a weak league if one looks at international trophies

[@iRanjid]

@@fillbrin absolutely not, plenty of teams who came far in the last years

[@davidaguilar8840]

@@iRanjid Winning the final is diff than “coming far” in a tournament or league. They don’t give a trophy to second place

[@iRanjid]

@@davidaguilar8840 lmao 5 years international rating also useless then?

[@davidaguilar8840]

@@iRanjid when is the last time a German team not named Bayern Munich win the champions league? Bayern has been finding success but only until this year and they are a pharmaceutical company also.

[@Joseph_.14]

Thierry Has a point 💯

[@cheloxmv]

Money. That's why Europe has the biggest leagues in the world.

[@sab-vl4jg]

Money should NOW go to Argentina for a little while since they WON the world cup!!

[@onlyenzoYT]

accept Jesus Christ 🙏🏽❤️

[@onlyenzoYT]

@@sab-vl4jgI heard only 600m + was payed off from World Cup but 7.7billion was profited. If 50% was given to argentina 300million is not even enough for 1 league considering expensive players cost around 40-100m these days

[@onlyenzoYT]

accept Jesus Christ 🙏🏽❤️repent before its too late

[@sab-vl4jg]

@@onlyenzoYT FIFA obv needs to FIX by giving country TRILLIONs of dollars to Argentina!!

[@ngolokante3260]

The only team in France that has the ability to hang on to players is psg. Other clubs are forced to let their best talents leave

[@felipenadeau1346]

I'm South American and live in France and it's not JUST about money, its also about attitude, mystique, love for the sport. Just look at one of the richest teams in Europe, the PSG, they are so cold spirited as most French clubs are, with the exception of Marseille maybe but the rest sucks and its not JUST nor mainly about the money.

[@angelosantamaria2859]

Couldn’t disagree more. PSG, Lens, Marseille, Lyon, Lille, Rennes, Nantes, Nice, Saint-Étienne, even lower leagues clubs like Le Mans have a great football and ultra culture, with plenty of chants, tifos, and passion (sadly too much sometimes). Much more than I experienced of some of the supposedly top EPL and German clubs

[@DyabeuPL]

I love Thierry, but common....his all career was on abroad.

[@AnnieB8844]

Its very simple jamie. When florentino perez blew up the market with the galacticos with state money lending, the pl had to follow. They sold all their teams to oligarchs that pumped in insane amounts of money. That created that only spain and the pl could compete, with incidentally an italian club. Dutch teams lost all their talent at 20/21 years old to these teams. Same for the French, and even portugese, who couldnt compete. And lets not forget the gap to other leagues in europe became even bigger. Where is Dinamo Kyiv? Where is HJK Helsinki? Where is Brøndby? Where is Galatasaray? Where is Grasshoppers? Where are Rangers and Celtic?

[@thiccchungo1041]

Exactly, now the only way any club that isn’t in one of those elitist leagues can be at that level is by taking the same oligarchy money they use and playing with that, but every time that happens they get criticized to no end, Paris gets the heat for doing 1/10 of what Real Madrid or Man City or Chelsea do

[@AnnieB8844]

@@thiccchungo1041 exactly. Not a fan of psg, but its not worse than what city and Madrid and Chelsea did.

[@j.b.2263]

​@@AnnieB8844 Madrid is fan owned

[@AnnieB8844]

@@j.b.2263 so fan owned clubs cannot be incredibly corrupt? And benefit from state interference?

[@j.b.2263]

@@AnnieB8844 Its harder.

[@mohammedbenabderrazak]

Qatar and UAE have destroyed a lot of leagues. Juventus used to be the team to beat to get most of the stars ( Platini, Boniac, Ndeved, etc). Nowadays, every star wants to go to either Real Madrid or Manchester City. No one wants to go to Barcelona or Manchester United. Most of the little teams in France or England can’t afford the big players anymore.

[@Ikanyu-q5z]

The power wer of epl : money The power of spain : crying

[@alfrredd]

?

[@franKeinas]

?

[@FrierenHimmel-yh3vf]

Power of EPL getting knocked out of UCL and UEL while Spain goess to final

[@CharlySergeant]

@@Ikanyu-q5z Italian power........Italy has not power🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@alexmaldonado9413]

Thierry has a point, I mean, he's a legend in Arsenal (Premier League) and Barcelona (La liga EA Sports), since Marseille no one had lifted that prestigious lady in his country.

[@NJTRAF]

I mean like Thierry said, it’s obviously money. The average annual salary in Ligue 1 (minus PSG) is about €1m … that’s about €20k per week. There are players in the English Championship on £20k a week. The average is around £10k a week. In the Premier League the average is £60k a week. So if a player has a choice to stay in France at anywhere other than PSG, or move to a Premier League club and earn £40k-£60k then OF COURSE they’re gonna make that move, a professional football career lasts around 16-18 years on average, and if you can guarantee yourself £50k a week for 5 years then you’d be stupid not to take it and stay earning £20k a week

[@Prederick]

Yeah, this really isn't hard, it's just money. The PL has single clubs spending more in a transfer window than the whole of Serie A. Ligue 1's TV deal is a trainwreck and pretty much every club not named PSG is two bad years away from financial insolvency. IT's just money.

[@NJTRAF]

@@Prederick Unfortunately Ligue 1 can't really fix it either, not without a big TV deal anyway. The only thing they could even try to do is restrict transfers in some way, like Serie A only being allowed to sign a certain number of Non-EU players from abroad per season. That would then perhaps focus things closer to home... Personally speaking, if I was running a Ligue 1 club, i'd be concentrating all of my efforts to sign players from France, Belgium, Switzerland, Canada plus large swathes of Africa and the Caribbean - all areas where there's a fair few places where French is a spoken language so integration would be a little easier, plus the transfer fees from those areas would be lower than Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal and England. Then you can bring them in for a relatively low fee, low wages, give them plenty of game time, then sell them on for a profit with add ons to the Premier League, La Liga, Serie A or Bundesliga and use that process to follow other clubs who've got a similar model

[@financialliberty2381]

@@Prederickthe thing is even if ligue 1 sides had as much money as the PL sides, they would still be much less interesting financially for a player because of the gigantic taxes in France comparing to England

[@MartinYen942]

Dont agree with the money part at times what's Dortmund excuse terrible in Germany

[@schwarzmann1]

This is why I always think it’s stupid when people call ligue 1 a farmers league they produce so much talent arguably the best midfielder of all time (Zidane), the greatest premier league player of all time (Henry), one of the greatest wingers in premier league history (Hazard) all started in the French league but had to leave if they could keep their talent it’d probably be the best league in the world in terms of player quality

[@FREE_WILL_DEFENDER]

They are a farmers league because they have one big team and whenever they have a good player other leagues farm them and take them

[@hikups]

hazard is from Belgium, started in tubize

[@schwarzmann1]

@@hikups Yes but he played most of his youth football in France and made his professional debut in France, he was made in France

[@hikups]

​@@schwarzmann1 you're missing the point here. They are talking about french players leaving France to make a career somewhere else. Btw.. Hazard was good in Lille but he became a monster in Chelsea. Same with Henry and Zidane.

[@MoritzReyer-j4i]

thats me point gets me everytime

[@scheme4367]

French league's revenue is too limited, can't keep their wonderkids can't recruit foreign wonderkids either.

[@MovieRiotHD]

Shouldn't matter, they have similar means to Dortmund or Atletico. It's vision and management.

[@Erwanca]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@MovieRiotHD Budget of Atletico: 411M Budget of Dortmund: 350M Budget of the second biggest club in France beside Paris: Marseille 270M and then Lyon 220M But yeah sure it’s all about vision

[@mertduran5084]

​@@Erwancasource???

[@Erwanca]

@@mertduran5084 I just typed “top budget club in Europe” went on several site to find Atletico and Dortmund because they’re obviously up there and compare with some sites to find around the same thing (for 2023/2024) and then I did the same for “best budget in Ligue 1 2023” I’m sure you can do the same it’s not that difficult don’t worry

[@i.m1981]

Money??? Psg have a few quid knocking about

[@santinodellacroce2079]

Money really ruined the sport. There's no more loyalty to club or country (owner and players at fault here). The new generation of players dont have the same pride for their country like before. Social media also plays a part in this. Countries also are loosing their identity as in playing style. The teams all look like the play the same style football. Managers just copy one another now. Look at Italy and Brazil. We have plundered in the last 10 to 15 yrs. We used to be the powerhouses of the sport, now we( Italy) cant even qualify for the WC. Brazil used be so much fun to watch with their Joga Bonita style of play. Where is it now? Where are the Legendary Italian defender?

[@coconutade111]

It’s literally always been about money. It’s absolutely normal and rational for a person leave one company for another in order to get a better wage

[@cashblaster3475]

Go even further back and there’s many more footballing nations that could compete. I’m thinking teams like Red Star Belgrade and Steau Bucharest from nations such as Bulgaria, Serbia and Hungary which don’t get a look in nowadays. Greek teams (Olympiacos, Panathanaikos) although rarely, sometimes challenged teams in Europe. Even IFK Goteberg won silverware in Europe. These are just off the top of my head im sure there are more. Nowadays there are like 8 teams that can win anything outside of miracles.

[@akshatrawat4083]

Its not just about money..its also about competition..even if u are undefeated in french leagues , u are just mediocre in europe as there is no competition..that is why good players move to PL or la liga to up their game otherwise they are just downgrading their game playing in french league

[@olivier3516]

Let’s face it : it’s because Ligue 1 is dogshit

[@Support-your-local-team]

How many of the hundreds of leagues across the world are not "dogshit" in your eyes?

[@bondjamesboy]

french league is the 5th best in the world...if it's what you say, what are the other league ?

[@olivier3516]

I meant dogshit for the superstars. It is not competitive enough, the gap is too wide between the top team and the rest

[@xxd1167]

​​But they are 5th best league in the world and only 1 cl winners​@@Support-your-local-team

[@Ctrlonbush]

​@@xxd1167 they can't compete with the other nations financial power, only psg can

[@Miki_Mandalorian]

The same with Serbia Look at Red star Belgrade before winning CL, now all talents go after 1 season

[@jackwilliam2965]

Carrarger not the brightest spark

[@londresparis_1]

Carragher asking a question he already knows the answer to

[@ericksocgfack5463]

I feel as if carra was tryna be a smart a## but was put on his place with logic 🤔

[@Kupferdrahtful]

Love how the biggest French pundit is discussing this in English 😂

[@TheTalk23]

PSG killed the league with all the money they have spent.

[@OmarMannan]

Even if they didn’t have the money when did Lyon make a run at the UCL final or even semis when they had their back to back dynasty?

[@tariqomer4678]

They didn't kill it. They are literally carrying it. They are the only reason France still has 3 UCL spots.

[@yvans.]

@@tariqomer4678don’t explain it bro those ppl are just slow. A remember a time when 0 French clubs were qualified for the final rounds of Champipns league

[@Ninjaman8610]

Players will follow the money it’s always been that way

[@Youssef-BB17]

Porque los mejores jugadores se van fuera de esa liga de menor nivel.

[@julestube3799]

France is the most taxed country in the world. Most clubs survive by selling the best players and players have run away as soon as they can for more money.

[@MisterElPatrick]

French league can be describe in one sentence : Ligue 1 is the European Africa. So much ressources, took by the rich.

[@justinsm]

But, here's the thing. Outside PSG they're not great at marketing same with the league competitiveness. That's why despite PSG is a very rich clubs they doesn't have mentality in Europe even got knocked out by Dortmund which Dortmund's squad value is just half of PSG's. Or let's talk about 2020 UCL final against Bayern. A lot of chances from di Maria even Marquinhos have golden chances. Yet, Kimmich and Davies can just blocked it despite those finals are their only UCL final appearances to date and even when they won 3-0 against Lyon still looks very serious including Muller. While PSG totally celebrate after knocking out Leipzig.

[@onlyenzoYT]

@@justinsmmessi neymar mbappe and Ramos couldn’t win the UCL. Di Maria zlatan couldn’t. Cavani too. So much talent yet No UCL.

[@onlyenzoYT]

@@justinsm accept Jesus Christ 🙏🏽❤️repent

[@onlyenzoYT]

@@justinsmmaybe all we need is José Mourinho 😉

[@Tweakkkkkk]

"That's me point" - Jamie Carragher

[@floschuller]

The number 1 from France lost against the number 5 (!) from Germany. That might be one of the reasons why France is so bad.

[@tariqomer4678]

This logic doesn't make any sense

[@movement6514]

Same in Belgium, we are only good to train youngsters then they all good abroad for money

[@EdgarHernandez-dq4vj]

Outside of PSG, Ligue 1 is a farming league similar to Serie A. The money from the Prem and prestige of La Liga is hard to compete with

[@ludovico466]

But still Italy has like 12 CLs or so

[@EdgarHernandez-dq4vj]

@@ludovico466 In like the 80s and 90s

[@theinfernomaster8826]

REST IN PEACE GOAT!

[@FelipeeGz]

That's right, there's only one European Champion in France and that's Olympique Marseille ⚪🔵

[@palatialslumlord4938]

Pathetic St. Germain strikes again

[@remigonzalez8219]

Simple : taxes are too high in France for French club to keep their players where in other countries there are specific tax brackets for the clubs.

[@alexanderr3098]

FARMERS league.

[@Touk764]

Talent league

[@saifzzy]

Which is the prem

[@Touk764]

@@saifzzy how much top player your league gave us ? How many ballon d’or? How many World Cup for England ? Euro ?

[@tanmaybose9034]

Jaime actually wanted to hear the power of premier league. Hence the question

[@Merlo1661]

It's just an excuse!!! German and Italian teams??? Are poorer than the English and the Spanish (just 3) teams. It's just because French football it's not good, that's it! The french players are strong because of colonies🤗

[@nico.f9908]

😂I saw no english teams in the semi finals of the big european cups this years

[@brucemedley635]

Same reason as brazil with the world cup all their players in europe even the wonderkids are poached early