Why bands tour too much (Misha Mansoor of Periphery)

[@johnquinn7794]

Misha is a great communicator.

[@prmbapodcast]

Yes he is

[@puturro]

I wish musicians spoke like this more. Down to earth, simple, shooting straight.

[@Chrisleftyguitar]

This is why Periphery has lasted for so long being this cool and unique band. They played it smart from the very beginning, created a good network around them, and exploited all possible cash earning businesses. They were never another burned out band touring like crazy and creating generic music just to survive. I've been following this band since P1 in 2010, and for me, this is the band that i respect the most. Always looking forward to what they do next, even if it takes them years to do so. And as I grow older, my music tastes grows so whatever changes they keep adding to their music is always refreshing and reflects that growth we all have over the years. And that's one thing purists metal heads can't wrap their head around, lol

[@mediocrestu8238]

Misha's dad is also an IMF banker. Don't act like they didn't start with more than average

[@Chrisleftyguitar]

@mediocre stu I always assumed that they or some of them came from wealthy homes. Cause no kid can afford the gear they had when they began. Lol

[@breckenphillips6517]

1:08 This is EXACTLY why when I saw they were coming to Indianapolis on this current tour I jumped at the opportunity to go. They’ve never been to Indy before that I know of, and who knows when they’ll come back again

[@andrewgarrettdrums]

I somehow had no clue until the day of and was busy. Saddest shit ever

[@AV57]

One of the issues me and many of my metalhead buddies have is that bands often go to the same cities repeatedly. For example, bands often skip over Indianapolis, Kansas City, Saint Louis, Peoria, Milwaukee, and Des Moines, and only hit Chicago when rolling through the Midwest. A lot of midwestern folks do not like Chicago. It's a massive headache to travel and lodge there. And year after year many metal bands will only go there. You can't convince me that these bands can't add a stop in some other midwestern city on their way to Denver or down to Dallas.

[@vernplaysguitar]

So true! We are losing venues in Michigan because of it 😢

[@tednugent1100]

Chicago is pretty centrally located and has a lot of people there, that's mostly what it comes down to. I feel your pain as I live near Detroit and am used to being skipped

[@cotopaximusic]

Cannot stand Chicago. Don't understand why bands skip Indianapolis because it's not like we're a super small city. We've got Banker's Life downtown or Deer Creek up in Noblesville that hold good sized crowds

[@AV57]

@@tednugent1100 Chicago is not a central location for the Midwest. It’s at the northeastern corner of the Midwest. The last time I was in Chicago was for a Kayaklysm/Internal Bleeding/Deicide show and I talked up at least 100 guys and barely any of them were from Chicago. They were either from Wisconsin or much further south, like Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, southern Illinois, Kentucky…

[@EdoCFH]

I think there is a "diminishing return" aspect of this ratio. If you don't have a super large fanbase spread all over the world, your risk is to start losing attention to your project. Meshuggah can do this strategy after maybe 20 years they were in the game. From a European perspective, Periphery has disappeared. Also, I would point the finger at a lack of communication and not having a good PR in my opinion. The logic behind Misha/Prpry idea is true and good if your fanbase stays only in one country (e.g. Italian singers in Italy) or you are the god of your niche like Meshuggah. To be clear I was attending the first EU tour of Periphery alongside Dream Theater in Perugia (2012 maybe) and cached after in 2016, so I'm glad I had chance to enjoy them.

[@thefriedpiper]

You're not wrong. I've been a solid fan for around 5 years now and they've come within a reasonable distance of me twice, that distance being the gargantuan city of Denver. I've missed both shows. Now after this tour, who knows when they'll be around again if you take this for what it is. Either blind obedience is their only tour this year, or they're going to headline for the album release....which seems like a stretch given the time of year and no buzz about it from their camp. Love their music but as far as appealing to your fan base...you should let them see you more. I've seen Coheed 13 times, most of their fan base is in double digits by now because they absolutely beat the shit out of the pavement for years. Getting a chance to see them at least once a year was always something to look forward to and they didn't really do "small" tours. Just a band out there to play their music for people to be inspired by.

[@blakeu8547]

@@thefriedpiper And this most recent tour has been relatively lame because of how short their set time is. They are only playing 5 songs. FIVE!!! They need at least another hour to really get through some discography and play a lot of the fan favorites

[@wavewithus4081]

​@@blakeu8547what?? Surely thats not their headline tour where they play 5 songs? I'd feel some way about that if I paid full price for tickets

[@mikeCD62]

To be fair one of those songs was reptile (I'm assuming you're talking about the tour with underoath)

[@RyffHyena]

Periphery is one of those bands that I always see when they come around. The first time was the Summer Slaughter 2013 tour, the second was their Escape from the Studio Tour, the Sonic Unrest tour, and I just saw them again on Tuesday for the Blind Obedience tour. Periphery is the best 🤘

[@alienkinkvr]

the "Stay Tech" shirt lmfao

[@MaestroKatProductions]

Greatness recognises greatness

[@dougb3854]

Don't forget heavy touring has a way of ripping bands apart

[@finnancahill2644]

Whoever cut these clips really hates letting Misha finish sentences

[@VinnyVocals]

Just saw Periphery and it was massive! Amazing show, they were having a blast! which made it such an awesome experience.

[@TheMeJustMe75]

Periphery is flat out awesome! I have been playing guitar since 1988 and I was blown away when I heard them the first time which was about 3 to 4 years ago. Misha, Mark and Jake all talk about how bad at guitar they are yet no song sounds the same on any of their albums.

[@Jt7166]

The boys making good money in business ventures outside of Periphery helps 😂

[@cheeser164]

I saw them on the Frak the Gods tour! So awesome. Back when nobody knew who this Mark guy was haha

[@ernestomuyalemoujalli5314]

I no longer remember las time they came to Florida, it' s been a while already😔

[@cotopaximusic]

I've never really got much into Periphery (I just don't dig the vocals but they're all so talented), but from what I've seen of Nolly and Misha, they seem like really respectable, chill, and cool dudes

[@jakestewartmusic]

This is somewhat true of the local band scene as well imo. You have to strike a balance between playing enough to develop a following and killer live show, but not so much that you oversaturate yourself and nobody wants to come see/support you anymore.

[@TheMuckrakersli]

This makes me feel better about touring like crazy in 2019, then only rarely/not yet returning to all of the states yet.

[@modeltrainfan]

Scarcity increases demand. It's that simple.

[@elblopex]

yeah, but your product must be imppecable. That's how it works for them I suppose

[@goblin3810]

God damn I miss aj minnets playing from the human abstract..

[@dannythered23]

Damn I didn't discovery Periphery until Reptile rocked my jocks during covid. I would love to see them down here in Australia 😭😭😭

[@dubenstein6347]

Saw Periphery with The Contortionist and Tesseract in Boston maybe 5-7 Years ago. Spencer was not there due to a cold so they played their tunes instrumental for the set. It was awesome! Fuckin champs. Crowd basically sang the tunes

[@starkiller34]

My fav Devin Townsend lyric: While we all have lots of bands who influence still... we all rip off Meshuggah!

[@KarmaHoudiniGaming]

classic. Always crack up at that

[@thinkstrong280]

on Wildfire, that solo was completely from Meshuggah.

[@DandelionVolta]

Yes he literally said that in a interview with keyofgeebz, very nice interview

[@RYNOTVPLUS3]

Being in Australia (luckily Melbourne where bands always come), you have to really capitalise on when an overseas band comes down! Sometimes there is NO next time 😭

[@a1rabidfox341]

Damn what’s wrong with bands coming to Sacramento so much 😂 it’s the only good thing about living here! Lol

[@denniskielton2447]

22, eh. Me too, 11 years ago. Didn't know you were only a couple years older than me though, that's wild

[@EnvisionedBlindness]

I don't understand the meshuggah thing, like finn. I've never heard anything similar in modern djent to meshugah other than they both use percussive chugging in their music. I guess that means Taylor swift sounds like my chemical romance because they've both started a song with a c minor chord before

[@redshift912]

Saying the same take as the guy making the video ? You really thought we all needed to know that ?

[@Vyngraven]

Finn on that Adderall good job dude.

[@keolahutchinson7687]

Gonna be seeing Periphery in Wichita Ks tomorrow. Djeaz!

[@coldmoonlight6361]

Djeaz nutz

[@brendenrodgers7821]

Periphery is THAT band that plays more as individuals (through clinics) than they do as a band. Love it

[@wavewithus4081]

Honestly I'd love it if they did tour more (in Europe), they rarely if ever come around here and don't even play in all prominent EU countries

[@Ottoni174]

@@wavewithus4081 i live in Brasil, no bands comes here more than twice a decade lol periphery came in 2019 last time and i traveled across the country to see them, lets see when they come here nextremember, came in 2011 and 2014, then only in 2022

[@evanmaunders5688]

That’s gotta be helpful for the personal brand of the instrumentalists

[@IGoWumbo]

My man chose violence when he said “play Sacramento 3 times a year”

[@zvkryblkhrt8915]

"Playing Sacramento three times a year" 🤣😂

[@caloomface]

I'm glad others are resistant to the default "they're ripping off Meshuggah" or "It's all like Meshuggah." Because realistically, Meshuggah is fairly flat in their creative structure outside of what they've already established. I compare it to a Fear Factory album (to some extent.) You can pick a song out of their catalog from an early album, and then again from a recent album and you'll see there isn't much variance in their creative endeavors. I'm not attempting to shit on any of these bands, of course. The point is, you can pick a Periphery song like Flatline or Wildfire and then listen to Rational Gaze or They Move Below from Meshuggah. They aren't even close in terms of feel/theme/dynamics. It's not even unreasonable to say that Meshuggah has more of a drone riffery setup to their songs, while Periphery has a wide pallet which touches on a wide variety of genres and forms.

[@travislee9662]

So that’s the reasoning behind totally skipping Ohio? Hitting 3 of our neighboring states some getting 2 shows and we have 3 major concert going cities with Columbus, Cleveland, and Cincinnati and really Dayton too has some good venues I’ve seen shows at and we get nothing? See you maybe on the next album cycle…then again maybe not…we might just decide to create scarcity and demand and stay home.

[@Axilstealspie]

Stop lying bro, Ohio isn't real smh.

[@travislee9662]

@@Axilstealspie the memes are true we are quietly plotting away at world domination. Bow down to your Ohioan overlords now and we might spare you 🤪

[@Axilstealspie]

@@travislee9662 🤣

[@alexschneider8494]

Yeah I don’t agree with this logic at all. I get it that it’s their lives and their band. They can do what they want, but touring isn’t just about making money. It’s like think about your fans too dude. Without the fans you’re nothing and I hate this idea that a lot of bands have of “We do what we want and don’t bow to what the consumers want.” The fans literally made you so when they request something or give criticism maybe you should at least try and listen

[@travislee9662]

@@alexschneider8494 yeah when a band says, “we do what we want” I support that on an artistic level. Like when it comes to their actual music or art they might want to change up their sound or style or go in other directions (become more weird or progressive or the opposite chase radio play) I have no problem with a band saying they don’t listen to the fans etc. they can make whatever and the people can decide whether they still like them and vote with their money if they want to continue to buy and support them. Touring is another thing: the art is out, the music is out. You could argue the live shows are art too, but this is more them performing what’s already made and it becomes elitist to cut off whole states that buy their stuff and go to their shows.

[@joeaabye9311]

I wonder if this is why bands are skipping Manhattan and hitting Brooklyn/LI more. It makes me laugh that he mentioned NY by name 😂

[@stepheninniss9640]

Yea, NYC has so many venues and so many different bands/ musicians/ sporting events going on. You pick a wrong day and you might be competing with a basketball game, or smaller concert that takes away from your fanbase

[@vivekteega]

Excellent discussion

[@styxxhs3010]

periphery is the best band in the world.. period.. love them so much!

[@mediocrestu8238]

i read through his wikipedia and it all makes sense now, misha is the weird rich guy that pretends he's just a normal dude.

[@drums4lyfe0987]

I’m still hoping there will be more dates anywhere near me.

[@joeyhathaway8447]

For real, touring is so extroverted.

[@090nj2]

Damn Misha is very cool

[@rclc161]

I thought Melvins when the MBA talked about bands playing Sacramento 3 times a year

[@sideflip1343]

Because it's a part of their business as musicians. They tour every day, except for when they are busy making new albums.

[@cybereye27]

Come to Brazitaly

[@GeorgeZimmermen]

I dunno. I’ve seen periphery 6 or 7 times since 2012. They tour just enough

[@pietramoraees]

but only one time in brazil is unfairrrrrrrrrrrr 🥲

[@spankroy]

The main issue is, if you don't tour, the band doesn't make money.

[@chazzeiler9753]

Way to cut it off mid conversation.

[@AdamElteto]

It is probably a long interview split into multiple videos to create more content, impressions, likes and monetize better. A few title cards could have probably made it smoother.

[@papaidolatrine2499]

Finn is such a tool

[@thanhhua7684]

The downside to this scarcity strategy is that I’ve litrerally missed out on a periphery show because of family commitments and then I wasn’t able to see them for another few years

[@NeXaSLvL]

i am like #666

[@walpurgisnacht9234]

Love Misha. He’s the best.

[@psmith2403]

Scarcity of a product drives the value of that product up, whether it's Periphery or a roll of toilet paper during the pandemic.