Why Black Panther Doesn't Work

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

I can't hear somebody say "right before he/she died" anymore without thinking of Madame Web.

[@serenitymoon825]

But were they in the Amazon studying spiders?

[@anomalyrrrd]

Truly a line for the ages

[@jaydenlenzy3487]

Why Madame Web in particular?

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@jaydenlenzy3487 Because it was good that you had no idea that today was the day that you were going to die.

[@TaterTotsNFanta]

​@@anomalyrrrd Almost as iconic as when Madame Web made a heroic entrance and proclaimed "It's Madame Webbin' time!"

[@aphylorne3021]

I always saw Black Panther as one of those movies where the actors gave solid performances but the movie was ruined by the plot.

[@zenmartialartist701]

You'd be right

[@jairusjackson7799]

I won't deny the flaws of this movie, but I like it regardless. And I don't think it's anywhere near bad enough for me to call it a guilty pleasure, just a flawed but fun movie

[@rbiznezz2]

This proves that Kevin Feige is definitely no Jim Shooter. Shooter was relentless about keeping world-building, crossovers, and characters’ character consistent. He wasn’t perfect but he was pretty good about that kinda stuff. Feige, not so much.

[@OGsubway]

@@rbiznezz2 not trying to be mean, but calling Kevin a bad world builder cause of ONE example is a bit silly

[@spider-man500]

​@@OGsubway*Cough* Missing lore of Doctor Strange's supposed "Rivalry" with Mordo in Multiverse Of Madness when it never even happened *Cough*

[@BingeGamer69]

@@spider-man500 that still doesn't prove he doesn't know world building

[@iraford5788]

Regurdless of how you personally feel about Kevin Feige's Mcu direction in general, he is objectively an amazing world builder.

[@rbiznezz2]

@@iraford5788 my criticism is the overall dip in the consistency of said world-building along with the other aspects I noted which has resulted in what we have now. The lowered quality speak for itself.

[@Alphachadbro27]

My problems with it is how they took away T’challa’s intelligence and give to shuri. T’challa IQ Level is up their with the likes of Tony Stark and Reed Richards. I also didn’t like how he needed help from others. Not saying he doesn’t need side characters but T’challa can handle things by him self in his own storylines most of the time.

[@shshbeenreal338]

He always needed help to defeat killmonger

[@t.i.5528]

Wakanda is supposed to be the most advanced country in the world, yet its leadership is decided by who's the best fighter rather than policies or intelligence.

[@eddyviews1427]

Compare with any society like Krypton or the rats in the Secret of Nimh, they have so much advantage for stability yet they are not always immune of flaws that anything can tip the scale into chaos whether be laws or resources.

[@redrob3140]

But yet we live in the future but we still don't have cars every yet

[@Sigmundfrued]

This is such a dumb criticism imo. It’s supposed to be an advanced African civilization that was never colonized. It seems ridiculous by western standards, but of course they’d keep their tribal traditions.

[@reasonablekinda2269]

@@Sigmundfruedtraditions that make no sense, Tchaka literally shows that it doesn’t cause he has his son as the BP while he is still the leader, he understood that being a better fighter did not mean being a better leader which is very true, imagine having a brute bloodthirsty asshole as the leader of the most advanced nation in the world seems like the most idiotic world ending tradition to have.

[@Sigmundfrued]

@@reasonablekinda2269 you’re overthinking this lmao. Stoning people to death for having a different sexual orientation is still practiced in many countries, which seems ridiculous to me, but I grew up in the west, where we are taught that sort of thing is wrong (now). Just because something isn’t logical by our standards, doesn’t mean it would be illogical for everyone else. I really don’t understand why this is so complicated for everyone to understand lol…

[@honeycomb170]

Black Panther adds to the list of many projects that could’ve been great

[@silashurd3597]

But people pretend it’s great because of.. reasons

[@xrossingtherubicon]

Thought it would've been as good as the winter solider.

[@Emanthebald]

​@@silashurd3597what are these.. reasons?

[@LilGreasyAndEm]

I’ve only watched it a couple of times. I wanted it to be so great I would watch it a million times.

[@LilGreasyAndEm]

@@silashurd3597it’s a good movie it’s not “great” it gets a B+ at best.

[@loganredding1621]

Props to showing why the combat arena tradition doesn’t make sense without appealing to how technologically advanced Wakanda is. A lot of people seem to not get the idea that just because a society is technologically advanced, it doesn’t mean it can’t still have outdated traditions Technology only allows a society to do things that they previously couldn’t do. It’s not gonna significantly change the culture of that society. The only things that can do that the spreading of new ideas. Which I’ll admit, technically dose help in spreading

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

I think the point is that a society that's chooses it's leader via trial by combat would have never managed to become technologically advanced in the first place.

[@loganredding1621]

@@BiggieTrismegistus I don’t see how those 2 connect. How leaders are choosing and how technically advances are separate. It’s not like it’s the leaders that are making the advancements. It’s people who are outside of leadership that are doing it. The engineers and scientists

[@KornyeEast]

You know how the enlightenment came after the printing press

[@loganredding1621]

@@KornyeEast yep. because the printing press allowed for information and ideas to spread easier and faster. Already acknowledged this in my comment

[@loganredding1621]

@@KornyeEast also did some incredibly tiny bit of research. Seems like the main factors that led to the enlightenment wasn’t based on things like the printing press, but instead big things like the renaissance and the scientific revolution

[@JoeyDoesStuff1120]

While this movie isn’t perfect, At the end of the day, Chadwick will always be The Black Panther. RIP.

[@NiohArcadia]

I can't believe that The Amazing Lucas was right about this movie all those years ago in his review.

[@s.k.4289]

💀

[@NiohArcadia]

@@s.k.4289 "Absolute Trash"

[@yourarchnemesis8453]

The hat boosts his brainpower.

[@sgtroach1510]

No he wasn’t

[@offtheshelfET]

Congratulations, you managed to make a breakdown of this film leagues better than Mauler's, all while still dealing in good faith.

[@vaggos2003]

What about other breakdowns of the film you've seen?

[@zzodysseuszz]

Uh mauler was already in good faith tho 😂

[@offtheshelfET]

@zzodysseuszz he complained about them keeping Rhinos

[@Temujin18S]

​@@offtheshelfET He made numerous good points

[@vikkidonn]

@@Temujin18Sit’s because he’s an “angry” man who is anti work openly……. So it’s different to many people. You see the time between the release and this video and when Mauler made his.

[@Regibump37]

What’s funny is that Avengers EMH gave a similar arc to Black Panther in 1.3 episodes (the prologue was attached to a 3 in 1 story connected to Ant Man & Wasp), which has a few differences to this film that makes that version make more sense compared to this 2 hour film. The first major change was that T'Chaka was shown supporting the traditions of Trial by Combat, as he's shown willingly taking on Man Ape's challenge and proves he can hold the title himself by overpowering him in their duel. The only reason he loses is because Claw was hired to discreetly sabotage him with a concentrated screech (that was indicated nobody else could hear) thus allowing Man Ape to win the throne and exploit the Vibranium mines with organisations like HYDRA. This gives solid justification for why this law had yet to be abolished until this point in time while giving motive for T'Challa to want to take the throne back. The second major change is that T'Challa was scouting out help from the Avengers to aid him in retaking Wakanda unlike the film where it was internal, with the easy justification why it isn't immediate is because the Avengers have been around for a month at most when he formally gets their assistance. While it was later showcased that he was merely using them as a diversion to get to the throne, he does eventually see that collaborating with them gave more benefit to the Wakanda compared to acting independently, thanks to them stopping Sound (Claw getting powered up by Wakandan mines, because comics) from causing a crisis Wakanda couldn’t have stopped alone, which in turn encourages him to join them as full time members. This show even demonstrates that Wakandan security was able to get past the like of Stark's Cloaking devices, and easily took down a their Quinjet, giving a reason as to why almost nobody has broken into their territory without being snuck in like Claw. I'll admit that’s it's not perfect, as it did treat both Man Ape and Claw as one note antagonists who simply wished to exploit Wakanda for Power, along with it not being explained how T'Challa got from Wakanda to New York (disregarding that the Fantastic 4 were also a public team present at this time), but it’s still a pretty solid take for the episode that overshadows this film easily.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

EMH Black Panther was peak.

[@comicbookking3446]

Shame they didn’t give him his daggers in the MCU.

[@JustinB6699]

@@spider-manunknown9193 A lot of EMH was peak.

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@JustinB6699 Ong along with the entire Yostverse.

[@vaggos2003]

​@@JustinB6699If objrctive truth could be summed up in a single sentence.

[@CartoonSociety-in9ci]

Weird thing from the movie was when I saw Nakia in the first scene. I was confused. Because the Nakia I read from the comics was an over jealous, obsessed, bat-$hit crazy, stalker villain who wanted T’challa all too her self by trying to kill every woman in T’challa’s life.

[@s.k.4289]

Damn

[@maxus8075]

​@@s.k.4289Yeah it's pretty surprising

[@Alphachadbro27]

Yep! Nakia is a Yandere in the comics.

[@140theguy]

"You have a great facility for the obvious." Hank McCoy

[@blagus3743]

16:44 I think what Killmonger meant was that there were claw MARKS in his chest. Not physically injected claws

[@randomt800kiddo2]

yeah, and that whole point is just stupid. it was clearly on instinct and t'chaka doesn't even realize he's done it till it was too late. like with everyone else he fights, it's likely just disarm, kill, move on to the next

[@s.k.4289]

That interpretation doesn’t really change the fact that hints of what happened were left behind for no reason.

[@sgtroach1510]

@@randomt800kiddo2imagine being a kid left alone and finding your father dead like that?

[@randomt800kiddo2]

@@sgtroach1510 not what i was talking about, i was referring to the criticism about t'chaka going too far with killing n'jobu being stupid

[@OGsubway]

23:56 Maybe because he simply didn’t have any of those medical tools with him. The only person I can see having them is Shuri at that time, but T’challa was busy fighting killmonger and his army, giving him very little time to even find them.

[@s.k.4289]

Bring him in the lab then.

[@c.thepeace3849]

I have a serious love hate relationship with the first Black Panther where I kind of love and appreciate it for its cultural significance and certain themes and messages it sends but hate some of the execution, pacing, scenes that were deleted, and special effects/CGI along with the direction of the film. I have watched the film at least 6 or 7 times now and continue to watch clips of the film on KZbin ALL the time. I personally feel that Ryan Coogler should have had someone work extensively on improving the script a little bit to make T’Challa shine more and an assistant director to help him out because the action in this movie is some of the worst I have ever seen. If someone says this is their least favorite marvel movie I completely understand even though it ultimately hurts me when they say so, ….. which makes it that much more painful 😢. In all honesty the sequel is superior but the thing that pains me the most is that OG T’Challa isn’t in it and we will never see him again

[@Sincaisen0784]

As a lover of this movie, I will say that you were spitting. These are problems that I glossed over over when watching the movie. And I admit that they do conflict with other Movies in MCU. It does work a lot better in my opinion as a stand alone movie.

[@Afro-Cinema-mu5xf]

I didn't like how weak T’challa was without his suit and powers. With it he's just a guy who can't die. Without it he's a decent fighter at best.

[@dykor3531]

finally someone who doesn’t lick this movie’s boots

[@basilhenry-eyo6522]

The film was good though but needed work

[@Anijah2001]

Black Panther was a huge disappointment for me when it first came out. I had loved him and Civil War, and I was interested to see where they take him and but in reality, they water down his character in his own movie, and it had too many plot holes.

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

The thung about black panther in civilwar,he went thrue the same characters arc as killmonger did in black panther movie. The différence is at the end,t'challa decided to not let himself get consume by vengeance & anger compared to killmonger who was consume by it. In black panther movie,t'cjalla was a bit more wiser than in civil war(which happened a week ago)

[@ngking3796]

I love the movie but I agree with everything in this video. I feel like the behind the scenes decisions with Marvel also affected the story and quality. Kevin was taking a risk but at the same time should have trusted the writers to make a good story so long as it’s consistent with Civil War and Avengers 2 Chadwick, Michael B Jordan and Andy Serkis carried that movie imo

[@Owen-sx4jj]

Black panther is not smart and domineering in his own movie. Sad. He was better in civil war. Dude was raised on combat but for bested by a dude with military training

[@theeyeopener4141]

Bested by a Wakandan who had military training. You forget Eric Killmonger is Wakandan...by blood. It gives him an advantage.

[@skyrogue1977]

Honestly, one point is that nothing that happened has any impact on the grander narrative as a whole.

[@GenJuhru]

Yeah, just part of world building but if Chadwick/BP didn't die, he would've been central in the current phase...

[@mrTagyG]

I was litraly checking your Discord server and got a notification

[@Afro-Cinema-mu5xf]

I love Avengers: EMH cartoon show's Black Panther. He feels like freakin Batman. Combat skills, badassery and intelligence. The problem with the MCU is that it left him only the combat skills, and moved the other two traits to Okoye and Shuri respectively. It feels like the true Black Panther is there only if you put the three of them together.

[@r4pstar343]

He did not let killmonger die for no reason. Kilmonger chose to die.

[@s.k.4289]

Black Panther could’ve attempted to save him earlier but didn’t. Killmonger has no control over where he brings him either.

[@RobM-og7lb]

Usually ppl don't ask before they try to save someone. The usual natural progression is someone tres to help then are refused. The fact that black panther takes him up the elevator, share a sunset and have small talk before the question of saving killmongers life comes up is a somewhat weird series of events.

[@envixivity8574]

Niggas just be saying anything these days killmonger said he wanted death rather than bondage ​@@s.k.4289

[@silent7159]

The reason Killmonger didn't kill Claw earlier is probably because he's a psychopath and enjoys violence and killing people

[@TheMassiveGamer]

I always figured that the reason T'Chaka held the throne when he got up in age, was because people (even M'Baku's tribe) respected/revered him too much to challenge him as an old man, so T'Chaka passed it down to T'Challa. We see the consideration and patience M'Baku had to reveal that T'Challa was still alive, instead of hastily taking the herb for himself. So it's quite likely this is the case...OR T'Challa was the only person that came to challenge T'Chaka, wanting to "earn" the throne the right way--like in many of the comics--and T'Chaka surrendered; however, T'Challa allowed his father to stay as the leader, due to his expertise and wisdom. The first reason is the most likely.

[@mr.bananaman8097]

Lowkey I’ve been saying this for years now, black panther is only beloved because of the sound track and killmonger. It’s not bad it’s just not that good either.

[@untunedguitar45]

And the common culture being held hostage by ideology

[@MrProdigy810]

Your explaining all this while offering few alternative ideas to make an entertaining experience. Im not saying that the things you are saying aren't true, as a lot of it is, but it's still a movie. So how do you recreate these scenes with all the realistic context you explained in so much detail and still create an entertaining experience and story? That's why a logical film isn't necessarily a good one, as some suspension of disbelief is required. And while i do believe there is a certain limit to that suspension of disbelief, you haven't offered enough explanation as to how they could bridge that gap. I mean no disrespect, but if you offer critique, also give good ideas about how to correct it as well. Because from my standpoint, this is just a rant.

[@elizohs]

i was fully ready to disagree but this video made me realize how little i actually pay attention to these movies

[@OneOfTheBoys23]

I think the movie also doesn’t work because of T’challa. He is basically sidelined in his own movie by his villains and his side characters. T’challa in the comics is one of the smartest characters in the marvel universe and one of the best hand to hand fighters in the marvel universe. Also his personality in civil war of being a cold blooded and ruthless character made a lot of fans be interested in him. You can even say Civil War was his actual origin. Captain America: Civil war movie gave T’challa an arc. The Black panther movie itself just makes T’challa feel bland and replaceable.

[@Eliezar18]

And the worst part is that even his replacement ended up bland and replaceable.

[@c.thepeace3849]

@@Eliezar18Really? I thought most people loved Shuri and her character arc in the sequel

[@iraford5788]

​@@Eliezar18thats a universally minority opinion you have there about shuri.

[@Eliezar18]

@@c.thepeace3849 if you consider activists and woke panderers as "most people", then sure. Otherwise...no. No they did not. Shuri was not able to carry that movie.

[@Eliezar18]

@@iraford5788 If I have to be in the minority to recognize that movie for the boring and forgettable dumpster fire that it was...well...at least I have people like The Critical Drinker to keep me company.

[@apokatastasian2831]

here's a question? who is down in the vibranium mines? for every fancy technician making space age tech, you need 10,000 laborers in grinding toil. how do they choose? by family, is wakanda a caste system? and how do they have a massive well-trained military and why? who are they fighting that they are equal to literal 4 armed space shock troops chosen by thanos hisself. are they guarding the mines to keep the workers productive?

[@nelson-ochieng]

the black panther in civil war and his own solo movie feel like two different characters, the ruso brothers knew how to deal with this character. look at him in infinity war, badass guy who is a leader and can kick ass, idk but marvel need to step up if they ever recast

[@Sjono]

I just can’t get over how the alleged most advanced country in the world doesn’t have automated tanks or air They literally send out soldiers without full body armor

[@sgtroach1510]

Yeah they do did you not watch the movies?

[@Sjono]

@@sgtroach1510 The soldiers did not have full armor body suits and I saw no tanks There were no tanks not just in this movie but also Infinity War and Wakanda Forever. They did have a rhino at one point

[@TigerWing95]

Are you gonna re-upload your Crap Adam and the Flush videos at some point?

[@kaidenwanna3209]

He has stated a multitude of times (because many want his old content back) on his discord that he unfortunately is not. He says he wants to stray away for over criticizing to the point where it may come off personal towards the creators. In my personal opinion, while I respect his creative decisions, most of us have subscribed because of his direct criticizing behavior. His ability to create very solid arguments while still being open to a dialogue. It’s the reason why him and Colin even ever got closer was those videos. I hope he one day returns or atleast dump the videos in like a drive or something because they’re essentially lost media

[@TigerWing95]

@@kaidenwanna3209 Man. That sucks.

[@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09]

@@kaidenwanna3209 His Spider-Man Far From Home video is one of the best long-form critique videos I've ever seen, was especially sad to see that one go.

[@batboythecool]

​@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09his endgame critique was also pretty good

[@ultimateblaze23]

@@kaidenwanna3209 didn't this all start because he could't take being criqted on his ps4 spiderman vid and in response blew up his channel, deleting many perfectly fine videos..

[@joseantoniovargas6548]

About the explosion part of the video, the examples you used are quite different than taking a full explosive to fhe chest. The Hawkeye arrows were really small with not enough power to cause damage, the truck explosion you actually see him be qffected by the shockwave, and at the Vienna explosion, he survived but he was shown crawling to his father showing that he was indeed affected by that. Like i imagine the suite as a bulletproof vest, yes it stops the bullet but youre still feeling all of that kinetic energy on your body. Him nit getting up to chase after that tho i agree was kinda eh, he is super human so he couldve still give chase

[@soulstades9575]

All of the marvel movies have plot holes and plot armor but it’s a movie 🎥

[@jxjohnson6437]

He gave the beads to Shuri to update them so he didn’t have those specific beads. It would be fairly difficult for killmonger to kill claw with his arm cannon. The claws In his dad I’m pretty sure were just claw marks. The wakandans have vibranium in their clothing. The Dora spears don’t have that specific function if you look at blades.

[@MrTweetyhack]

cause he's out there commiting robberies. get it? robberies!

[@morpxygames4482]

I don’t disagree with every criticism but some and most I would say are very nitpicky I’m not trying to be rude it just that most of your criticisms can be debunked but I did enjoy the video but I don’t think your opinion that black panther doesn’t work is valid I can see if you think it doesn’t work but honestly I just don’t agree half the things said in this video once again no hate all love I just dont agree

[@korvasslade8756]

This comment literally adds nothing to the conversation. Why did u even bother to comment if you didn’t bother elaborating on anything u disagreed with?

[@reddevilsunited_2060]

Yeah that trial by combat thing is kinda weird especially considering the modern and technologically advanced era they live in.

[@edwardwilliams2438]

Impressive...very impressive. If you,as a fan/nonfan discerned these flaws..why did scriptwriters..directors not reacted accordingly? I understand this is fantasy....based on comic book lore..and there is limited time for exposition on a film. All your observations are valid and well taken. Perhaps, they should have hired you for research? This movie is years old and hasn't aged well. yet it is Iconic in the Marvel lexicon..so, I guess we have to accept the reality of real world vs the Multiverse of Marvel. Really enjoyed the critical analysis...I hope that comic book geekdom and Hollywood takes notes. Your points are well taken...very detailed and eye opening.

[@joeiorio9654]

20:00 I agree with most of your points except for this one. Killmonger competing for the throne isn’t the same as someone like Thanos contesting T’Challa. Killmonger is Wakandan blood and also part of the Royal Family. He has a right to the throne and a right to complete against the Throne, and T’Challa refusing to do so would be dishonorable.

[@s.k.4289]

Yeah I get he is of royal blood. I probably could’ve explained this hypothetical better, but if someone like Thanos was of royal blood, regardless of their power or atrocities committed, they’d be allowed as a candidate for a king. On a world building level I don’t think that makes sense, and T’Challa would prioritize the safety of his country over giving Killmonger the chance to fight, especially since his crimes should make him a prisoner anyway, and physically fighting is only going to allow vengeance to consume him further.

[@Amazing-dx6sp]

you're playing with fire my friend.

[@s.k.4289]

Nothing new.

[@LilGreasyAndEm]

What fire is he playing with? He’s just saying what’s wrong with the movie and a quarter of the MCU.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

​@@LilGreasyAndEmHe's criticizing a movie that supposedly has great "cultural significance".

[@yonkodyoshiii2897]

Kilmonger asked him not to heal him

[@andreyatg5591]

The car chase scene is just for pure fun and visuals no need to take this seriously

[@jaymz010]

9:33 Um…if it was possible for colonised nations to retrieve stolen artefacts, the British Museum would be empty now 😅

[@wethefreeproductions]

Black Panther was a victim of people continually making super heroes less.

[@dylansearcy3966]

3:21 they challenged him through combat when he was younger. I’m not sure they have these challenges annually

[@777ynk]

Bro they only have “challenge day” when they need a new leader, it’s not like an periodic thing

[@anakinnotvader]

T’challa didn’t have enough presence in his own movie. Good fight scenes, but not enough leadership and connection with his people

[@senkironde3110]

You're picking apart the force field stuff, for what? they just added accurate storylines from the Comics, your argument is with Marvel. The comics always mentioned the illusion techniques of the Wakandan nation. However, All of the killmonger plot holes are valid though. He is a walking contradiction. Just there for eye ogling. the rest of you vid is pretty spot on. They only created the contrived misguided uncle in America storyline to validate MB Jordan's character's motivations.

[@nont18411]

10:25 They kinda forgot how to track down Klaue but Klaue certainly hasn’t forgotten about them.

[@ANDDIRECTLLC]

No. The Wakanda system is by CONSENT. So on challenge day, you will notice that no tribe offered a challenger.

[@sjbrigante4845]

Also. The avengers knew about wakanda. Steve, Natasha and Sam obviously knew because thats where they took Bucky. But it was said in a book I believe it was called the Wakanda files or something to that affect that Tony got some vibranium from them which is what he used in his mark 50 suit. Which if you remember was quite a big jump from his previous mark 45-47.

[@garrattkenion2439]

HE able to fight for the crown because it's his birth right because that's his cousin.

[@phant.0m731]

Regarding 11:34 I don't know if it would have been wise to try and use one of his ships here. It's kind of a large aircraft, so even if there was space to park it anywhere that is easily accessible in a hurry (like a parking lot building), which I doubt, I don't think they would have been able to conceal it effectively. Even if they use the cloaking functionality, there's still the risk of random people stumbling/driving into it and getting hurt or attracting attention. These ships are established to be absurdly advanced, so I'm sure they can circle an area completely on autopilot, but I doubt it would have been possible to land, pick T'Challa up mid-chase, start pursuing Klaue again, drop down and immobilize his car before he manages to escape. I think the smarter thing to do is to have the ship scanning overhead on autopilot to track Klaue and his goons to a point where they can safely ambush them without the risky car chase. Of course, this is less entertaining to audiences though.

[@isabaig6665]

Now this THIS is a disagreement day topic. Btw do you stand by your spectacular Spider-Man video?

[@s.k.4289]

While I stand by a good amount of points, I think the show is still decent thus far (only 6 episodes in a rewatch)

[@spider-manunknown9193]

@@s.k.4289 Glad you’re remembering what makes SSM so good.

[@t.i.5528]

Interested in your thoughts on the GOTG films

[@s.k.4289]

All are good

[@mel.n.g]

How was I so blind to these plot holes? I would love to see how you would have restructured the story.

[@therationalblackman957]

Civil War was the best Black Panther movie in the MCU

[@Jameswebbtelescope7484]

What your definition of a good movie?

[@ironmac10]

Excellent incites. These kinds of movies require suspended disbelief, and NOT paying attention to the man behind the curtain.

[@s.k.4289]

If the man behind the curtain is too obvious in the showing, it’s worth talking about why.

[@mobreezy2184]

Challenge Day creates a lot of issues if you stare at it long enough. But you have leave room for the movie to have it's own plot. There are a lot of African tribal elements in Black Panther that the movie wanted to channel. Is there an easier way to pick a leader? Sure. But the tradition dictated otherwise. I think there were years when T'Challa offered the challenge but no one accepted. If someone beat T'Challa then someone challenged the winner, then what? The point of the 1st challenge was to explain the rules and the system to the audience before Killmonger arrived. It also created an arc for M'baku. The killing of Zuri was ok b/c he interfered during the ritual combat--rules are rules. Now, the issue I do have is that T'Challa could have yielded/quit like M'Baku did and lived to fight/challenge Killmonger another day. Yielding prolly would've saved Zuri's life too since he only interfered b/c he thought KM was about to kill T'Challa. T'Challa taps out, and then if Killmonger killed him, then Okoye and the Doras could attack him and kill him immediately, especially since he didn't have the BP powers yet. To me, T'Challa chose "death" by not yielding when Killmonger picked him up in the air. He was presumed dead so the challenge was over. The greater good was more important than tradition; this was the takeaway. Now, as for T'Challa not healing KM, KM refused treatment. One of the most memorable lines that you may not be culturally aware to understand was when KM declared that death was preferable to slavery. He would rather die than be T'Challa's prisoner, death before dishonor. Think the scene in Amistad when the female slave fell overboard while holding a newborn baby that was born during the Middle Passage. Could she have survived the trip? Maybe. Could the baby? Highly unlikely. And what was the baby being born into? So in an act of self-determination, KM plunged the knife deeper and ended his life on his terms. A little cultural context might have view the movie in a different light. Please allow yourself room for this.

[@WaffleKrushaTTV]

Nice job!

[@gb1style]

Challenge day final remark The candidate challengers are selected from the five main tribes therefore at most 5 combats to happen And still you don’t consider the preparation phase of a challenger Conclusion : what’s the relevance of this remark? Have you ever read the books???

[@JustMe-uv1go]

I couldn't watch this to the end. Somewhere past half i was:"nope! This is stupid." and walked out.

[@s.k.4289]

Goodbye

[@trent_king]

What dahell is "the African coast"🤨

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

Africa has an extensive coast.

[@k.k.a]

Bro finally someone who gets it, as an African the movie makes me really sad, could have been so much better.

[@giormelgar8113]

S.K please bring back your old videos 🙏🏻

[@RonnieLobowski]

Great point

[@Anrgystudio]

Which movie is next on SK's kill list?

[@Alex-bz8lj]

Damm straight

[@CJ-dk3im]

No one, and I mean NO ONE, dissects movies like S.K.

[@miles_morales215]

This is such a terrible video. This man said “they have a car stopping device, why not just use that instead of having the chase scene in Civil War”. That scene was one of the best in the entire movie dawg lol. It’s entertaining to watch that’s why he didn’t use it 😂 this is why you make KZbin videos and not movies. It’s a superhero action movie. I understand plot holes are an issue and if it ruins the story or adds contradictions it can be pointed out. But this guy is just yapping nonsense. It’s supposed to be nonsensical is certain ways, they shouldn’t always make the best decisions or else the plot wouldn’t exist lol. Characters are supposed to be flawed.

[@s.k.4289]

“It’s entertaining therefore it had to be nonsensical.”

[@gb1style]

Challenge day : set to access the power until you die or renounce Tchaka is already the ruler Your analysis does not consider this fact

[@dumi_chenu3730]

I only like it cuz I’m down bad for kill monger’s zesty ahh haircut

[@Temujin18S]

Another example Russuo Brothers adapting characters including their lore accurately while still making sense in overall context, than other directors and writers. In comics (I'm not sure now) the role of kingship and BP role are separate. The former is only reserved for those of Royal blood, latter any challenge for that position. That was hinted too in Civil War (2016). BP film combined both positions which led to unnecessary logical lapse's in writing.

[@featherguardian6023]

At First I thought is was a Great Mature Movie, Now after the Disaster that was Wakanda Forever and Rewatch the Movie as Time Passed, Yeah this Movie Aged Like Milk, this has so many Flaws in the Story and adding Too Many Characters instead of Focusing on T’Challa wasted its Potential for Exploring Black Panther Stories we will never See in Life Action Again.

[@user-cm5sw3zb5n]

Good video. However Black Panther, was the best comic movie.

[@ashesfrombones]

how did wakanda conceal the existence before that hologram shield invented? its a country! and it existed long ago... much like i have a map that already marked the location of Japan, and not japan build a hologram, somehow everyone forget japan existence

[@dylansearcy3966]

5:30 their technology is so advanced they add the illusion of a third world country

[@TheBuckMuscles]

Wakanda is a bizarre, fetishistic parody.

[@Cheeseemdee]

As a Nigerian, the story is so... interesting? For a lot of reasons, for one, it's claims to be inspired by African cultures but doesn't even look at how African cultures have evolved over time till, its just like they slapped tidbits of things they found fun in African cultures and slapped it unto a "semi-fituristic" Africa just so they coulf feed African Americans craving for diversity which i know is important but let's be real, it did no service to the rest of the African diaspora and is really just surface level, like African cultures are really deeper than that but im not really surprised, I've noticed a decline in superhero (marvel/DC) movies world building in favour of flashy fights and cool superpowers. But asides that, it might just be racist, or at least a tribalistic eurocentric view of African cultures, like in wakanda (note: i only watched one black panther movie which was the one killmonger showed up and i lost interest but i did do a bit of online look on what was being said about the movie so i may be wrong so correct me if I'm wrong) but i did read about how each of the tribes have unique roles within keeping wakanda up and running i guess, and i know its helpful to simplify multi-ethnic regions with vast and diverse histories like African countries but it actually comes off distasteful when you realise it isnt far off from the hierarchical structures that were created by colonisers to encourage inter tribal conflicts and benefit them. The rwandan genocide literally has a factor of tribalism fueled by colonial power, same with the selection of WAFF soldiers in British colonised west Africa. Cause in reality a lot of African tribes held their autonomy as a single community not a part of a larger community, even in nigeria where im from, although we consider the term nigerian to be the amalgamation of all tribes, different regions are regarded with unique cultural autonomy that aren't in service to a greater state, I for example as an igbo, although Nigerian, wouldn't revere the ooni of ife, cause im not yoruba even though we are both Nigerian tribes but my culture and our way of life is distinct from theirs and wouldn't typically be of service to theirs. So in that same way, not only is black panther problematic, but its lazy world-building that hardly looks into the cultures its inspired from and can border on disrespectful just to score a few diversity points with African Americans who want to feel connected with their ancestry cause let's face it, asides African Americans or the west in general, that story isnt made for anyone else, talk less the African diaspora

[@tassothomas5186]

Looking at the flaws in this movie, it feels like it was made this way intentionally...like how they can't bring back a BP from anywhere else...where a multiverse exists...OK.

[@ThenameisKyle67]

I hate how they made T’challa a harmless friend towards outsiders (especially that scene with Ross when he put his hand on him) so they wouldn't feel threatened when comics T'challa doesn't play. He isn't second guessing his traditions or opening up Wakanda to the rest of the world and he isn't letting people in so easily. The guy is a no nonsense savage. He is not just an ally monarch from a neighbouring country. You better watch your manners and how you act when approaching Wakanda. You are at their mercy and thus don't need anything from you.

[@MrDefzilla]

Will you make one of these for Godzilla Minus 1

[@Callitwhatitis]

the only thing that destroyed black panther is black panther 2

[@chriscolombie4135]

The fact that they fight with spears and rhinos always sounded stupid to me or the tam tam they use in black panther 3 to open the barrier , it’s like a seriously stereotypical view of Africa like that’s what an advanced African country would look like, I am from Afrca Cameroon, it’s cool it’s popular but really civil war had the best version of black panther and the message was already clear, I’m not even gonna go into two because it was just plain stupid

[@zainebamfo2077]

Crazy how the sequel is even worse

[@TheGardenSamurai]

I just told my brother these Same things 😂. And it’s like how tf can you set a tone in civil war and just change direction in the actual movie to cater to bs

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

Now that the MCU has fallen from grace does all of that even matter ?

[@skibot9974]

Perhaps T’Chaka didn’t get a chance to abolish challengers day before his death

[@s.k.4289]

He had a year.

[@gb1style]

Challenge day again TChalla power is removed during the challenge day So your remark does not make sense Being old and choose your designed successor candidate to be the Black Panther doesn’t mean the challenge day is overruled

[@nextgenproductions3933]

If only we allowed trial by combat to decide who's President in America. Maybe than, we wouldn't have to put up with another 4 years of Biden or Trump

[@s.k.4289]

That’s true

[@Fanfan30303]

Great video , do more!

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

Pretty good vid and points NGL, good job 👍.

[@theincredibleharry151]

Hey SK where did your old Avengers Endgame videos go? The ones about all the plot holes.