Why Buy? | 2017 Toyota 86 Review

Motor1 Senior Editor Jake Holmes gets behind the wheel of Toyota’s not-quite-new 86 to see if ditching the Scion badge makes this a more enticing package.
For more Toyota 86: www.motor1.com/toyota/86/
As-tested price: $27,120
Toyota and Subaru delighted car enthusiasts the world over when the companies released a pair of rear-wheel-drive sports cars in 2011. Light, affordable, and focused on a back-to-basics driving experience, the Subaru BRZ and Toyota 86 - known in the U.S. as the Scion FR-S - were all we’d pined for for years.
With the Scion brand gone, Toyota has finally rebranded the FR-S as the Toyota 86 in the U.S. market. The automaker also took the opportunity to update its rear-drive toy, giving it a little more power, various suspension tweaks, and a visual makeover. Is that enough to keep the high-thrills, low-buck sports car relevant, or does it erode some of what made the 86 so cool in the first place? Find out in our latest Why Buy?
SPECIFICATIONS:
Engine: Supercharged 2.0-Liter H4
Output: 205 Horsepower / 156 Pound-Feet
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
EPA Fuel Economy: 21 City / 28 Highway / 24 Combined
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[@trigea]

Very misinformed. heated seats, auto dual zone climate control and leather seats are all available on this car. source: I own one

[@SkyRu1eGaming]

On the GTS not the GT

[@adamwalczak8363]

@@SkyRu1eGaming I own gt. Can confirm. Misinformed video

[@pablovega7293]

I bought a toyota gt86 2012 for 18k euros in spain , im 20 years old and i think this car isnt slow , very fast going in and out of corners fun to drive and very sporty driving experience , also I hate the way people blame this car to be too slow , I guess everyone owns a e92 m3 or something like that... I have done speed test against sirocco 2.0 tsi and yeah it might be a bit slower on the 0 to 100km/h but when im going into the corner at 80km/h he is going at 60... Also I do around 550-600km with the fuel tank when pretty much messing around with it all day , so do I recommend this car? Yeah its cheap to maintain easy to drive and more confortable that people think , considering that i weight 79kg and im 1.9meters tall and I spend 2-3hours a day on it without a problem. The only issue like every other coupe is the small space in the back , its a car made for 2 people thats obviously , in the other hand i dont see any other option if u want a rear wheel car with the feeling of a atmospheric boxer engine , coupe and with a very sensitive and short gear box ! I hope my opinion helps if anyone is thinking of getting this car and sorry for bad english spelling etc!

[@le.lopezz]

gracias

[@marcusskyfall]

Pablo, great review and thanks for your thoughts and opinions 👍

[@Flowz6666]

This is a finely balanced racecar and all you talk about is lack of luxury and space. Didn't even take it to the track

[@Chair991]

My BRZ literally has every single one of the gadgets you mentioned it doesn't have

[@whouwit6392]

Still would take the t 86.

[@BruteForceGarage]

The Toyota 86 should be the basic version of this car and the GT86 should be the performance package with a turbo.

[@burakoshimazaki]

Francisco Hanache We have the original you are all lucky to get any version, especially the Type R Civic as well ;)

[@hossainabeer]

Starting to like this channel. down-to-earth, and more practical reviews, with interesting discussions.

[@perolito83]

I like your review format dude, the questions really help to frame it al nicely. Well done.

[@PalyamBabu8308]

Very well put togather video. You covered all the points of interest, in a informative and crisp manner. Way to go.

[@The_One_Over_There]

i didn't think much of the BRZ/FRS/GT86 when they just came out and a decent amount of time after that. But since around 1 and a half year ago i started to look into them a little more, and more, and more. Now i love them, i always preferred basic cars, And i always find myself not using many accessories like A/C, Parking cams/censors, ect ect ect, And i always find myself being more interested in cars that are more for fun then power. therefor think it would fit me pretty well. Off course there is the pretty bad back view and blind spots but then again, What car doesn't have a weaker point here or there.

[@Thousandeyes85]

I really like how the review is done, where they ask common asked questions

[@LeonAnilom]

27k for this car is not cheap, I feel more like this car should cost 23k-24k considering how stripped down it is.

[@cesargarcia5490]

it's 27k for the toyota badge tbh

[@SimbaTheGreat]

Noel Molina yes I literally replayed that part 5 times because my high ass didn't think I heard him right. This car was $23k when I came out wtf

[@shutupishful]

Noel Molina Plus taxes etc it will reach over 30k

[@franciscomuniz7617]

A bought one a few years ago when it first came out and paid 24k. It was amazing for the price and the best part was the resale value. I traded it in for a WRX and I wasn't upside down. I had 2k in equity! Still have my WRX though, It handles better and can hang with v8s all day. The driving experiance isn't as good but the AWD and extra 100hp more than make up for it.

[@jaym1443]

cost million to our country xD

[@Mr420Dankbudz]

I have a 2014 brz and I love her!

[@winglessang31]

I can’t believe how much more options and standard features there are in the brz. You get leather and heated seats standard. And can pick almost any dealer options you want or can imagine.

[@dogenation420]

i bought the TRD model and it's great even though it's small but i still love it and modding it.. best my car choice atm...

[@turbo311]

Not supercharged. Check specs in description. Also where are you from Mr Holmes?

[@codydrummer]

I just wish this thing had a targa top option.

[@blammod]

or t tops or a sun roof.. something.

[@1over137]

Most of the spec things you list as not being options are standard in the UK. Heated leather seats, dual climate control, touch screen, bluetooth hifi, keyless entry, push button start, Colour TFT dash display, etc. etc. They take all this stuff out to make it cheaper for the US market.

[@keithprice6581]

I love how 'How's the Storage?" is a question. Obviously that's on my priority list, if I'm buying a sports car.

[@3rdWorldGamingHD]

It's a car review. It's only right to mention things such as the storage space.

[@JSeoul]

I was actually trying to find this type of question. Very good to know.

[@peterrusso872]

I liked the previous version much more

[@222billp]

It looks great in silver. I bought a 2016 Mustang and love it but I really like this back to basics type sports car. People get hung up on hp but trust me this car is a blast to drive. If I were younger I would have bought this car.

[@akirencat]

I have this car, 2017 model (this one). Very squishy in the back but it's nice!

[@imVexedBruh]

i felt the same about the design. in photos i wasnt impressed but since ive seen it in person it looks better than the first version.

[@ronellbenedictvillar8155]

Do a review of 2017 subaru brz or a comparison between 2017 toyota 86 and 2017 subaru brz

[@keithsk8s]

Seems like Honda just took a crap on the BRZ and this is the result.

[@xTW33T3Rx]

so i have a 2015 manual FR-S...i have almost 27k miles on it, I get on average 31.1 mpg....this is my daily driver and i have a 30-35 mile commute to work (mostly freeway)...and im 24, so i definitely ride the car hard.

[@happybeing777]

was split between this and the accourd coupe v6 but went with the accord more practical and a lot quicker

[@layzheee]

"There's so much power" lol cooked af

[@3kbaby823]

Zhe they need at least 250 hp stock

[@apt62]

Enough for your skill on the track.

[@dannyjr2804]

When does the 2018 version come out 😍

[@burakoshimazaki]

I don’t know about the versions you get to there, but in Japan it was always the 86, and trim levels are (from basic to top-tier) G, GT, GT Limited, and GT High Performance. G is the one pictured here or its equivalent. GT grade, like mine, has better interior, redesigned center instruments, and larger stock wheels. GT Limited has the previous upgrades plus upgraded interior with alcantara, and heated seats along with different underpanels. GT high performance grade has the previous plus upgraded wheels, big brake calipers, and accents etc. There are also special variations like Black Package and GR and GR Sport, at least here in Japan.

[@joreldeleon8848]

I was looking into buying this car. I like the idea of the sports car and fun while driving. I was wanting more power though, so I actually ended up purchasing the 2SS Camaro. I am loving my purchase, but I still like this 86.

[@Silenced_by_nazi_youtube]

Jorel DeLeon better choice..i dnt like how toyota decided to only give it a 5hp bump. had it been turbo or a v6i td get more buyers

[@terr256]

just bought a camaro as well. I'm having a blast driving it

[@xuimod]

Camaro is a nice car but imo its quite different from the 86. The Camaro SS is 900lbs heavier and outward visibility is one of the worst out there. Don't get me wrong I think the Camaro is a great car but its not without its compromises.

[@joreldeleon8848]

xuimod people always talk crap about visibility in the Camaro. I couldn't disagree more. I drive it every day and have not had a problem seeing anything. I love the cockpit feeling. having the Blindspot monitoring and the backup camera make it all even easier.

[@blackpinkstannn]

well he has blindspot monitoring and a backup camera so... i don't know what the issue would be.

[@_SKDK_]

"No push button start"? What happened to it? They've had it since the first models. Or is it just the version you guys have? I test drove one that had heated seats, DUAL climate controls, push start, Bluetooth, pretty much all you need.

[@padistedor]

So which is better? The BRZ or the 86?

[@ellbertdinoy]

sweet baby jesus! $27,000 is cheap???? for $29,000 u can get a 370z with 332hp

[@leeeeeeeeeee012]

Yes It is, in my country you get Yaris for that price

[@fatboy19831]

The Z has less space on the inside, only has 2 seats , gets about 8 mpg less in the real world, has no limited slip, weighs 500 pounds more and just lacks the agility and feel of the 86. In fact the Z handles like a good sedan not a sports car. Under 30k you have a choice high hp or low weight. You cant have both.

[@spoton3278]

Definitely wouldn't want a base model Z

[@adolfshitler8341]

fatboy19831 boxer engines are supposed to be turbocharged, everything is the same but you'll get more power so leaving corners it's up to the skill of the driver to not spin out once you get the boost

[@fatboy19831]

Shitler, No everything is not the same. The Compression ratio is lower on a Turbo boxer. You have long runs from the Turbo to the head. Both things give you unavoidable turbo lag. ALL TURBO SUBARUS HAVE HORRIBLE TURBO LAG. The Wrx has far less lag than the STI. The WRX is still flat on the bottom end. To make the WRX more responsive Subaru used a small Turbo. A small turbo acts just like a potato in the tail pipe at high revs. The WRX is done for the most part buy 5500 rpm. The N/A 2.0 is just getting started at 5500 rpm. Subaru could have given the N/A 2.0 20 more hp but it would even be slower in normal driving. The bottom end torque would be compromised. There will ALWAYS compromises in the automotive world. There is no free lunch. You want a light weight turbo Boxer 4 sports car with very little lag and a good top end? The $60,000 Boxster is your car.

[@greglr19751]

I have the 860 special edition in Supernova. It's even better with more features.

[@vision1707]

I love this car , I have an automatic. But the wheel gap is too wide. I don't want lowering springs or coilover. I want to keep it stock but would like to close that gap a bit , what do you recommend ? I'm don't know much about cars ThAnks for any input guys/gals

[@octher]

Do a 2017 BRZ

[@Randomguy86204]

Great review ! This car is gorgeous and I want to buy it, but my brain knows the Golf GTI is just an all round better car. Sadly my everyday commute isn't with twisty mountains or at a race track, it's behind peak traffic and I think that's the worst point about this car.. If it didn't suck so much in interior quality, ride comfort, noise and fuel efficiency I would've bought it regardless of the lack of the power.. it seems to have far too many negatives and only few positives like Aesthetics and driving fun.

[@uralsmol6262]

the higher trim 86’s have push to start better cooler console heated seats and all that stuff bc i have one with all that

[@pandasquad2854]

what is the different between the frs and the 86?

[@fuolku1006]

Everyone keeps complaining but how can you know how well it corner and such as untill you test it

[@salihgonlutok5959]

in the UK you get full equipped.

[@marcodelacruz4305]

my 86 is push button start, wondered why they didn't do that to this 86

[@that1girlkenzie896]

Can I take the hood out ? Or is it permanently attached to the car?

[@Godzillah]

Great car better than previous fr-s but they had no idea what a ae86 should look like. I want my ae86 not the same.

[@dg7438]

Can you do a review for a VW GTI DSG sport?

[@rixiv7868]

I was really considering this car but I have a son now so I don't think it would be a very good choice. A WRX would be more practical for me and it's still a fun car.

[@aireworkz929]

Rix IV get the wrx, I drove one and its nicer than this shit.

[@Ryan-ue9ve]

aireworkz the wrx is a practical car, but its a not so pretty sedan and most people (non car people) will not look twice at the car. however with price points not that far off, the wrx is a better buy. awd, turbo set up makes the car a very fun car to drive and ride in, i wish they had a 2 door verson of the wrx :(

[@darrylflowers1234]

I wonder can you put big turbos on that thing 🤔🤔🤔

[@osamabinpawning123]

how about wrx?

[@calebcapoccia]

For those who want a turbo Toyota, the Supra is going to be brought back in the next couple years. Look up, "2019 Toyota Supra." As for the 2017 86, it may be a little overpriced currently, but the value will depreciate a lot over the next few years, and that's when I hope to get one. One of the things I like about the '17 86 is that the reliability is much better than the FR-S, according to JD Power.

[@jonzkie7416]

The new generation of the Toyota AE86

[@jozhfy]

i would buy the brz but in PR we dnt have it, so i need to buy it in usa and bring it here it will be 4,360$ just to bring it, what im thinking of doing is buying an frs or a toyota 86 and buying the brz extra parts from ebay...

[@shauncampbell969]

I would use the back seats for a nice Labrador Retriever.

[@ahmedrami3309]

I think it's simply design for people who want to customize it . Still isn't cheap tho for the options available on the market

[@AmariMaahes]

What's the song at 0:53?

[@izhlayukio5863]

The old 86 came with push button start and also the exact same climate control knobs as the BRZ, I wonder why this one doesn't have them

[@xuimod]

Only the FRS Series 10's had push button start. Standard FRS's didn't have them.

[@izhlayukio5863]

xuimod Hmmm, all 86s came with push button start in my country, I hope the new one will come with one too, because this car is crazy expensive here...

[@mehedihasantuhin9940]

Hello...would you like make a video over toyota sienta latest model..please.. Thank u..

[@ClappaGlappa]

Most of the stuff it doesn't come with could definitely just be swapped. If I got it I'd swap speakers and head unit, add Push to Start and Remote. Assuming it has cruise, I'm sold.

[@anastasiyababycheva2451]

everything about this car is sexy af

[@saulespino3037]

Toyota told this presenter not to talk about how in the BRZ you can get heated seats, Apple CarPlay, better interior upgrades, Brembo brakes

[@AndyBradley1984]

Basically the Celica's replacement? Kind of? :/

[@toastxgaming9150]

I am a kid but the car does not have too much buttons or tech because it wants to stay true to the AE86

[@angelbluerider9588]

is this Toyota 86 better than a Hyundai genesis coupe?

[@BaggerFood101]

I wish there was more space in the back so I can easily carry friends with me

[@jalene150]

Damn this or the type R civic? This is going to be a tough decision. The type R is faster, but the GT86 handles like a dream.

[@jaym1443]

Type R is nice

[@impreza0109]

you don't want an understeering FWD, bro.

[@New.Beginnings88]

jalene150 get the type r. I had an FRS it sucked so slow (great handling) and no leg room

[@impreza0109]

Arshia Aryan lol FWD lawnmower

[@spoton3278]

You can lie all you want but I fucking guarantee you've never driven a Type R

[@tuahaahson5548]

+ supercharger (to bring down that 7.4 sec 60mph) + tech + interior styling 32k$ happily

[@brentgarcia7759]

I want to buy this and daily it, but live in Canada... guess ill stick to my 01 civic.

[@eurobeatintensifies5840]

12,000 for a gt86, that ain't bad, when I'm old enough to get that car I guess it won't be alot

[@DailyDotaTV]

at 4:02 it sounds like a huge downgrade to the previous model. my '14 gt86 has heated seats, ac, automatic dual zone climate control, leather/alcantara seats, lether armrests, keyless go with a pushbutton like the gtr, a satnav, bluetooth radio, electrical folding side mirrors. i upgraded some parking sensors and a reverse camera for 400$ at a local toyota dealership. whats the problem with that? more extras that i even use. and the worst part about the new gt86 is the missing wing, the back covers of the trunk and the "smart" steering wheel. like seriously it does look like a freaking steering wheel directly from a smart.

[@sweeyong7756]

Damn so much hate. Toyota should just drop it a couple of grand. Or you could spend the same amount of dosh and get the original ae86. Either way yall still be complaing.

[@mgy992002]

for those who said bad things about this car and never driven one, I suggest you go and try a 6-speed manual, you will know right away!

[@hich11111]

Brz seems to be a better choice

[@ericchang5217]

Camaro would be the better choice.

[@yusufercan6768]

or mustang. finnaly someone think same of me. you would have to LOVELOVELOVELOVELOVE toyota to buy this car and look at it.. inside is like very poor ok come on guys sport cars doesnt means they dont have to be good looking or smart desing expensive meterials and more.. They can do more on this car.

[@craigt9415]

Any sport coupe in it's price range is a better choice.

[@vuriby]

Whaat, you can't just compare two heavey and "more serious" cars that can't handle to a lightweight one made for handling and having fun '-'

[@craigt9415]

Sure you can, you can't call a BRZ/86 light at 2800lbs, it's average. The new mx5 RF is 2300lbs and even with 50 less horsepower is a quicker car. As most owners will never take them to a track a new base mustang or camaro will handle exceptionally well on the road next to a BRZ/86 but deliver far more daily driver luxuries, more power while getting the same or better fuel economy and a lower sticker price. If any BRZ/86 driver decides to track their car all the handling in the world doesn't make up for all the tail lights passing you.

[@djizzah]

its coming out in a convertible soon, wait for that model before you buy one

[@seifidn]

dji zzah where it at tho

[@HVS.11.11]

The frs gt86 whatever is great until shit starts going wrong and the Toyota dealer doesn't know what's wrong because they have never worked on a boxer engine. Just saying..... I'm not bitter that a car I paid almost 30grand for is fucking up after only 2 years.... not bitter at all 😬

[@nermket4849]

Maybe you could take it to a subaru place lol sucks though

[@JDubbs07]

Let me know when Toyobaru puts a turbo on it as a stock option.

[@jesseocegueda1]

It looks like the Edlebrock Supercharger is the way to go with this car, they went above and beyond with the engineering of that thing, and i honestly think its better than what Toyobaru would have done themselves... But its not hard for Subaru to just throw in the Stock turbo engine now in WRX STI and just have a BRZ STI....

[@dparmar005]

JDubbs07 HSK made a supercharger model on the last generation (2012) of the gt86

[@fatboy19831]

Why not just buy a faster car vs spending 7 grand on power for the 86 before you even add brakes and tires.

[@unresolved777]

fatboy19831 you can buy tires first and hang with faster cars on the track. It's not about test driving the 86 (formerly FRS) on a highway and saying, "it's slow." I've had guys in Mustangs come up on the highway and want to race and take off cuz they want to show off to their girlfriend, and yeah, it takes forever for me to catch them in my FRS, but I've passed them on tight highway interchange turns going 70 while they have to drop down to 55-60. They try to speed up mid turn and we all know what that's gonna do. Mine is only lowered, imagine with better tires. Granted it could use more hp, personally I say 25hp more for an even 230 and a flatter torque curve.

[@fatboy19831]

unresolved777 An E85 tune will give you the power and torque you need at the expense of fuel economy. On the stock tires a Mustang Live axel V6 is actually FASTER than the FRS around turns with the right line (not the GT with the base suspension) . The Mustang is difficult to change your path once it is set at high speed. You just Understeer. You can change your path in the FRS as long as you don't upset the balance to much.

[@ZoZo94sly]

Just get a used (low miles) 2016 mustang ecoboost.... better in every aspect and costs less than this disappointment if you find the right dealer. Downside on the mustang is it might not be as good for those mountain drives.... Who cares, how many days out of the year will you really be heading out to those mountain drives? Waste of gas if more than 2 times imo. In spite of this, I do love the fundamentals of the 86 due to its grand potential. But it's only left at potential...

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

I owned a Scion FR-S before, and I really loved the car for what it was, a simple back to basics no frills sports car. I didn't care for navigation systems or other gadgetry available on today's car! All I wanted was a good well balanced and back to basics sports car, I had it all with the fr-s, the only thing I would had hoped for! Was a little more hp, unlist 100 more would had been enough, but even like that it wasn't that bad of a drivers car, considering the power to weigh ratio for this car, it meant you still get a spirited driving. And compared to the Mazda Miata, its was more fun to drive for me. And I'm glad that Toyota decided to keep the car and renamed as the 86, would I buy another one? Definitely I would! It's a great little car.

[@LegendInThaMakin]

Anibal Babilonia What happened to it?

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

Well the reason I had to get rid of the car! Is because, here in Chicago we get bad winters at times. So I had to trade it for a Jeep Wrangler, so I needed something to get me through the winter months. I had time last were I almost killed my self a few times and that's with winter tires on it! But I wasn't feeling that secure and safe driving it! Now I will buy another one in the near future that's for sure. I still love tha car!

[@LegendInThaMakin]

Anibal Babilonia I see, im Canadian, our winters are way worse than yours. Doesnt stop me from daily driving a 400hp rwd coupe though. I simply refuse to sacrifice what i love driving for a few bad days in a year.

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

Now that I have the jeep for winter, I'll wait a few years and buy the car, that way I'll use the jeep for winter and the car for summer

[@afterrecession]

Nice review but I feel so uncomfortable with the person asking the question. I find it unfitting.

[@JustRiceLeague]

Do you know if the U.S is getting a Limited trim like every other country in the world? It seems like only the BRZ gets a limited trim.

[@Virt7_]

The 86 is beast dude. I tried it out at the dealer and it pulls hard.

[@Virt7_]

It don't really care for the limited. I'd only get it if I wanted leather.

[@JustRiceLeague]

Yeah I like the modern amenities so I got the BRZ limited instead. Loving it so far!

[@jose5155]

I hope it comes in an automatic

[@SavagexRaccoon]

ill wait for the TRD or STI version this car needs the extra power as a s2000 or be lighter like a miata

[@markodeljanin5297]

This car is perfect, colour of both interior and exterior, wheels, everything. Whish I can afford wone. Both to buy and premium fuel. Cheers

[@anxietyintheafternoon9921]

Toyota screwed up how the 2017 GT86 looks. They should've kept the previous looks but with slight facelifts. Subaru did a better job in my opinion.

[@fuolku1006]

Well yeah you are true but that is more modern look and toyota just sayd fuck it and just made it they make hard choises like how tf can they know what people want

[@SteveOnlin]

there's a thing called modifying your car

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

It does look nicer in person I think. Images have a way of distorting the proportions.

[@flyhighpizzapie]

I can't place your accent. Where are you from?

[@ZoomR21]

Love the GT86. I really do, but for this price point do yourself a favor and get the 2017 Civic Si.

[@xTW33T3Rx]

ya, that way you'd be the coolest guy in yuma az! all you'd need is a lift kit for the civic, know what im saying "homie"?

[@LegendInThaMakin]

xTW33T3Rx You're acting like a rebadged scion has any more class. Its no benz or bmw. It's a cheap ass underpowered sports car with a cheap ass interior that only looks half decent. How can you talk down on a civic driving a scion

[@jasonhang647]

I think I'll rather get an older sti or z32

[@pinkglee1735]

I can tell how this guy needs a sports car.

[@RantTherapist]

Why is Darth Vader asking you all of these questions? Is he looking for a new car?

[@samuell7892]

This car is wonderful for its price, in China it costs about 50% more !

[@jamilaazyez1427]

Toyota toujours toooooooooooop

[@madern7]

There are 2 models one is the higher trim with more lux options Subaru has the same

[@ZDY66666]

They should make it so super charging this car doesn't ruin warranty. OR JUST COME WITH A MODEL THAT HAS A SUPER CHARGER :D call it GT86 Turbo or something or GT86 Super. But then that would make it what..roughly 300hp and 250 torque I'm guessing? That kinda makes it too bargain compared to other light weight sport cars offered by well..better brands or more expensive brands

[@SkepticCat-pz1zz]

In many ways it reminds me of the 70’s Datsun 240Z, which is not a bad thing. BRZ is the better version.

[@alialmawlani7070]

why it is low on power stock I will be happy if stock had at least 300hp #we need more power

[@fuolku1006]

4:17 wow tokyo drift F&F sux

[@spencerdardon8490]

It should come with a turbo stock for this price. Or, a base price of like 20 grand considering there are no new technology features. It's a basic car that is small, small weak engine, and basic transmission, why does this cost more than more advanced loaded cars?

[@The_Animal_Man]

Spencer Dardon for one, it is a foreign car so it will be more expensive in America compared to comaro's and mustangs which are 5k less due to being American with no additional hidden tax😒. 2.) The money is in the suspension and tuning and the boxer unit which is 100hp /liter which is great for a car with NO turbo. 3.) The car is meant to be "balanced" (quote from Toyota) so faster in a straight doesnt always mean better. Do people ussually complain about Miatas being slow in a straight line? Not many people becasue it is meant to be a drivers car

[@JustSomeGuy23]

This has nothing compared to the Australian version

[@justinwaters2104]

Meh, it's basically a sport sedan with 2 doors. If the suspension were lower and the body had a little more aggression, then I'd say it's worth the price tag. I'm not going to criticize the engine power because, well, it's a budget sports car. But in it's current state, I'd say it's worth 21-24k, not almost 30k. May as well go with a base-line Nissan 370z for just 1-2k more, or alternatively a base-line V8 Mustang. I will say though, the manual gearbox on this 86 looks like a blast and I bet it's fantastic on a track for circuits and drifting.

[@progpogs]

The 370z is a great choice but it's trunk means it can't suit many people as their daily driver which many buyers of this car want, and you can buy coilovers, new wheels/tires etc on your own I don't understand what the big deal is there.

[@farhan007]

Justin Waters Can you elaborate what you.mean by "suspension lowered"? You seem rather misinformed about this car. The car at its stock for has a center of gravity that is lower than some mid engine Ferraris. That's mainly due to how low slung the engine and the whole drivetrain is. It had a stock ride height of a C7 Corevette. It has rear double wishbone suspension. It weighs 2750 lbs. Besides a Miata and Lotus's what other red production cars are lighter? This is a far more purpose built sports car than a Mustang or any sporty car in the 30 grand or less price bracket other than maybe the miata.

[@farhan007]

Justin Waters Can you elaborate what you mean by "suspension lowered"? You seem rather misinformed about this car. The car at its stock form has a center of gravity that is lower than some mid engine Ferraris. That's mainly due to how low slung the engine and the whole drivetrain is. It has a stock ride height of a C7 Corevette. It has rear double wishbone suspension. It weighs 2750 lbs. Besides a Miata and Lotuses, what other rwd production sports cars are lighter that are being produced today? This is a far more purpose built sports car than a Mustang or any sporty car in the 30 grand or less price bracket other than maybe the miata. If the 86 is a sports sedan with two doors a Mustang which weighs half a ton more is a freaking school bus. But it isn't. The 86 is a built from the ground up bespoke chassis sports car. A 370Z is basically a Japanese muscle car. It's a pig compared to the 86 by weighing almost 600 lbs more. It doesn't have the chassis balance and the low slung center of gravity of the 86.

[@rotellat7389]

Justin Waters drive one and you'll understand

[@mijnnaamisaaron]

wtf what are people complaining here about the costs. In the Netherlands this car costs (with taxes) €51000 for the manual. that is $55k

[@nermket4849]

that's fucking ridiculous. I bet it costs even more in sweden

[@hyperion4523]

Get a v6 Camaro for the same price. Power and handling

[@KaylemMann]

why complain about a sport car's engine sound? We sport car drivers love loud!!

[@cristiannoel443]

So this or the Nissan 370 z

[@JesusIsLord7773]

Cristian Noel tough choice but the Z is my dream car lol