Why Buy a Trimaran? Pros and Cons of Trimarans - NEEL 43

[@jamesingalls5003]

My good buddy has a Neil 43. It is two years old and has been well taken care of. His transmission broke months ago and Neel is not covering the repair. Careful with this company. It is, however, a beautiful boat, fast and a pleasure to sail.

[@TrimaranSpiritXL]

As someone thats spent their life sailing professional and that’s now cruising you can’t beat trimarans if you enjoy the pure art of sailing. They’re the best!

[@jaysonbowerman115]

@@TrimaranSpiritXL - thanks for sharing the journey of SpiritXL. Inspiring cruising you are doing, indeed!

[@miscreanity]

Going from a Cal 27 to the Neel in the video is a massive change, not just in size but also stability and performance. The Neel 43 sails like a dinghy and yes, I've had her up to 20kts. Cleaning three hulls and having only one engine are tradeoffs. It feels like living in a Ferrari due to Neel's performance focus, and insurance companies don't want to cover tris as they will monos and cats. Overall it's a solid boat and a good option for living aboard.

[@svfounder]

YAY! First comment

[@WillN2Go1]

I like this. Forget van life, forget the dorm.

[@acmeopinionfactory8018]

If you're not sure if you want a monohull or a multihull, Try a maran.

[@ronauger]

Great presentation Tim -- Thanks! I was gonna say that trimaran only has two 'a's, but a bunch of people beat me to it :)

[@jonmoceri]

I've had my Multi23 trimaran up to 17 knots and flying the main hull! Wild!!!

[@robertssmorgasbord]

Excellent breakdown of the topic! Some points I want to add in regards to trimarans with folding amas (e.g. Dragonfly): Sail like a trimaran with fixed amas (fast 😃), offer less deck/superstructure space than a trimaran with fixed amas (the trapezes between the amas and the main/center hull are no replacement for a hard deck and cannot carry any superstructure), and you pay less for a berth when you can be bothered to fold in the amas before going into the marina (just as much as for a monohull 😲).

[@robinleigh1660]

I have seen the English Channel in a south-westerly gale on a trimaran, the Gulf Stream in a North-easter on a monohull and a North-westerly in the 40's on a 48ft catamaran (my son's). I would not consider anything but a cat for cruising, coastal or ocean passages. Our first boat, a double-ended ketch would bash her way through anything, but space and comfort were limited. On the tri (not ours) in the English Channel, we went over every wave three times, with a 'snap roll' as the center hull see-sawed over the crests. I currently own a vintage Gemini. It's not for the roaring forties, but allows a level of comfort and performance not attainable on mono- and tri-hull vessels. Two hulls smooth out wave crests, retractable boards deliver respectable performance and allow anchoring in water where you could get out and walk. Take your pick.

[@gregbrazier209]

Agree, I have been there.

[@Morrisfactor]

Hi Tim - having built and owned two trimarans (a Searunner 37 in the seventies and a Cross 42 in the eighties), I'd say your overall assessment is pretty good - except for thinking that lots of storage and weight is allowed in the Neel. ALL multihulls suffer if overloaded - and trimarans are no different. Overloaded means slower, means pounding underwings when sailing to windward., and more submergence of the leeward outhull when reaching or beating which slows the boat down and stresses the structure. The boat is safter and performs better if the cruising weight is kept minimal and located in the center hull. The outhulls are great for storing the awkward stuff; like boat hooks, snorkeling gear, fenders, etc. - not just to use as garages to pack full. To me the biggest problem with trimarans and one of reason they are not more popular is simply because marina space is nearly impossible to find - even worse than for a catamaran.

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

Unless you have a Dragonfly with retracting amas 😉

[@gdiup9241]

Agree, I'm thinking that you're limited in marinas if you can find one when you need it. Haul out capability might be limited.

[@Morrisfactor]

@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 I saw a Dragonfly 36 at Annapolis last year - and was very impressed with it. Their 40 footer would be even nicer - and better built than the Neels. However, both Dragonflies are rather tight interior-wise.

[@tvideo1189]

My wife and I lived aboard a Jim Brown 40 ft. Searunner tri for a while. It was a perfect size for a couple. GREAT center cockpit layout and roomy. Being 24 feet wide was a bit of a problem at times... our passage down the Erie canal coming back to Florida from Cleveland (where it was built) for example was.. a trip. Very comfortable and safe in almost any sea condition. And FAST when the wind was right.

[@koborkutya7338]

this video is great work in catching attention. My attention span is not very long and the first three sentences completely caught my attention completely. Good job Tim.

[@bitcoin4life]

I still have no clear opinion on mono, cat or tri. I am very certain, though, that each one of your videos is a gem! Thank you for what you do, Tim!

[@georgeburn961]

Cats don't lose all stability when a hull leaves the water. Check out stability curves to check that. Also the centre of rotation on a tri is only at the centre hull until the centre hull starts to lift out of the water - or starts planing and skimming the water (something you might want on a dragonfly but maybe not on the Neel...). Once the main hull is out of the water the centre of rotation moves outboard to leeward. When the leeward float buries (catches a wave when full pressed down in strong conditions) then even if the main hull is touching the water, the whole thing will tend to rotate around the leeward float and the main hull departs the water. Capsize. Tris may give a bit more warning of a capsize but will flip if pushed too hard. Great boats though - I've owned 4 trimarans (2 american, 2 danish) and one cruising cat. Favourite was the Dragonfly 920 Extreme for overall speed and comfort. The Neel is great but is v similar in concept to all the mid performance cats practically. Would love one but for sailing fun you can't beat a 30 something tri; the brilliant Farrier F27 - best value at the moment).

[@hezi973]

FYI, I spent a considerable time in La Rochelle France and I can tell the local professionals working on sailboats scorn Neel in terms of production quality

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

The introduction of retractable or regening electric pod motors means that a Trimeran with a hybrid power set up can tank turn on the spor using pod motors out on the Amas... then there's steerable thrusters .. this is something they've done on the Leen.. power trimerans. One more point is the fact the bigger the trimeran the more space in the Amas for seperate accomodation. I know the polish family that own the 51ft early prototype . I like that layout. ..Sailing Oceans. Race boats are just monohuls with stabilisers 😂 .. yup to a point. Cruising trimarans have bigger living deck areas and certainly have an advantage for someone with mobility problems. The bedroom and heads on the one level would make catering for a chair bound person easier. 🤔 Rapido has produced a halfway version with their XS cruising models.. they have a flared center section with greater living space but still the Amas are separated from the central hull by narrower nets.

[@Mesailing25]

Dragonfly 1200 trimaran is beautiful boat!

[@noellavery7481]

A terrific presentation as always. Thanks Tim.

[@texarama]

It's like a Pogo and a Lagoon made a baby. Nice to sail, good to live on.

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Trimirans are very cool & great fun to sail, I've only sailed small tris. The two biggest issues for me are the initial and ongoing costs over a monohull. Even the 8m wide marina berth is going to cost a bomb. Cheers Tim. ⚓

[@RobbyP1969]

Try-a-maran? Well... other than being driven crazy by that interesting pronunciation, I enjoyed this video. I visited the Neel 43 at the Annapolis boat show just last month. Before the boat show it was a dream boat for me,. but sometimes you don't want to meet your dreams. The Neel is a bit of a cross over. A Cat-a-ma-tri, perhaps? Anyhow... most tri's are a monohull with wings. All the stuff, and all the living quarters, are in the central hull. So you're living in a monohull, but traveling on a tri. The Neel changed that by putting a platform across the hull and the ama's and placing the main living area on that, like a Lagoon. I disagree with there being less space. There's boatloads (pardon the pun) of it... but its mostly storage. The ama's and the main hull all carry any damn thing you like, so for storage the Tri is by far the best. Another thing about the Neel that I loved was the swim platform. It doubles as dinghy storage when passaging and makes for unobstructed views when at anchor. So the Neel 43 was a shortlist boat when I got to Annapolis, but unfortunately.... Firstly, the space in the main cabin was not used well. The odd choice to have a bed on one side of the main cabin just felt awkward. Neel says it's a reading nook type thing, or a place to rest when sitting watch on passage, but it felt more like they just didn't know what to do with the area. The bedroom has wonderful views, but a humped floor I tripped on twice, and a cramped feel despite the vistas. The wet head bathroom was likewise awkward and narrow, and a far cry from the master head on a Lagoon or Leopard 42. I can't help but feel a talented, nautical interior designer type could do far more with what they had for space, especially since Neel has realized the spectacular benefit to putting a deck between the amas and giving their trimaran a catamaran feel. All of the negatives vanished in a puff of desire when I went on the Neel 52. "Oh Holy Mother grant me a Lotto Win!!" That was a boat that got it all correct. The cabin space. The views. The speed to outrun weather and beat everyone else to the best anchorages. That Neel had it all... for $1.25 million plus. I can't help but hope they redesign the Neel 43's main deck to make better use of the space, because if it could look like a mini 52, it would sell like hotcakes.

[@erichyney6287]

Thanks for sharing, Tim

[@Analog_nomad01]

To go crusing on the cheap (right away) its the monohull hands down. A tri is harder to park and get into tight spaces. If given the choice, I would pick a 30 + ft Dragonfly (Trimaran).

[@Civilunit]

I have been more interested in the Trimarans, Video's like this are very helpful in understanding how they are designed and what they are like. For me the smaller trailerable Tri's are pretty attractive because they give you more deck space and stability when the Arma's are out but can fold in to have the footprint of a monohull on trailer or at dock for storage However these boats by NEEL are pretty attractive, offering allot of comfort but also faster travel which is a problem with some of the cats and heavier monohulls in having long travel times and more chances being in rough sea's, if your able to get up 20 knots that makes it allot easier to get where you need to go. As more of them get built I hope to see more used boats on the market.

[@chrisolberz3308]

Tri all day they really rock. Try a Dragonfly and you sure will be hugged. Neels are a good life aboard but too many compromises, also they did improve quiet a bit over the last few years.

[@bobhodges3116]

One additional clarification. There are some performance cruising catamarans that sail upwind very well. But they are more sensitive to loading than the “condomarans” and you have to really follow the rules for reefing and keeping the weather hull just skimming the water.

[@gorongo4202]

Having sailed the transatlantic run on a Neel 47, I think it really stands out for comfort. If I were beating in the tri, I would beg to be on a monohull instead.

[@gr3398]

Hey Tim, Great video. It seems like everyone compares monos, cats and tris, by boat length, but it would be great to see a comparison by comparable living area and price point, which may be the boats you just compared and 60ish ft mono. I think I would lean towards the latter, but would love to hear your take. Blessings

[@WillN2Go1]

I like Trimarans. Never sailed on one though. The Neels look great but all I really know about them is a couple of videos and one (credible) guy at the boat shows going on and on about poor cabinets. The rest of the boat? For any multi hull my experience on cats makes me want to know is how well they hold up over the years. Are those extra hulls still in the same position as they were when the boat was new? The Rapidos look amazing, but there's a video of a Rapido 60 where after a couple of months of sailing the rudders fell apart and after 8 months Rapido still hasn't fixed them. I wonder if anyone buying a new boat has negotiated adding clauses to the contract? Like anyone having a million dollar house or a commercial building would. If you don't meet these requirements in this amount of time you will pay me X. I think it would be really interesting to negotiate a contract like this, even paying more for the boat. Then 'new boat problems' (many of which are f*in nightmares) would actually be addressed as fast and by the boat builder just like they promised they would be...

[@sylvaingagnon3211]

Great one, Tim!

[@garymiller7870]

Sailing in the PNW we are always on a beat or a run. Don't even carry a reaching sail. I've also sailed in high winds and find the security and predictably of the monohull reassuring. But would love a multi for the usable space.

[@ForestFelvey]

"Try-a-maran"

[@joesullivan-y9r]

That was driving me nuts. :)

[@MrSteelmoon]

Soury. It's a boot....

[@mangodoc10]

There’s this- tri’s don’t sail like monohulls. CAN they point high- yes. SHOULD they point high- no (at least for the performance ones. I don’t know about Neels). If you point too high (or try to dead run) you lose boat speed and VMG. You’re better off falling off and hauling a$$ with the aparent wind. Even if it weren’t faster, it’s more fun and more comfortable. Also, you can’t beat the outdoor space of a tri. If you like living outside it’s for you. If you want a bunch of interior space buy a condomaran.

[@davidplatenkamp]

pay later

[@jaysonbowerman115]

My first cruising experiences were on a Farrier F27 design tri, and the livability was perhaps only equal to a typical 23’ monohul, that is to say, spartan. More like van camping than an RV, without the headroom. That being said, it’s hard to step down in performance after experiencing 10 Knott daily average speeds, and the thrill of sailing such a vessel was an absolute joy unto itself. Neel certainly has broken the mold on cruising Tri’s in a great way. I’d love to see their new 52, with its bridge deck master suite and the entire Starboard ama for the owners. The 47, on the other hand, with its exterior access to the amas, hold no interest for us as a family cruising boat. We wouldn’t feel safe having our children leaving the cockpit to get to their berths.

[@gotafarmyet4691]

I like the comparison for space, with that will this old true? mono-hull, trimaran, catamaran The main difference is that Mono and Tri are like van camping and a cat is like an RV for space. A mono is like and RV for maneuvering, and a Cat is like a Van, while the Tri is a Semi A Cat can be loaded like a pickup, a Tri like a Van, and a Mono like a semi trailer

[@DaringDan]

I always laugh when I see Tris at boat shows in slips. Good luck getting a slip in a 43' Tri on your voyage.

[@philburtscher4375]

one interesting thing about the Neel is that most the living space is very high - you never feel like you are deep in the boat like in a mono or the hulls in a cat. under sail we usually stay higher up - so a tri is the best for that

[@bradynixon8900]

I’ve got five kids and so that forced me to study hard the various brands of sailing vessels. I settled on the Neel 52 because it’s got upto 7 cabins, are way faster and more room than an equivalent cat. It’s not as pretty as some cats - I like the look of the Fountain Pajot 51 and the Nautitedh 48 open but it’s just better in all ways.

[@jaysonbowerman115]

@@bradynixon8900 - are you and your family currently on the N52? Curious how you find the comfort at sea? Is she any better than a cat on a rolly beam swell? Upwind and light airs performance looks really inspiring for such a big boat.

[@performanceyachtsales5584]

This article features a photo of a Neel 47, mistakenly labeled as a Neel 43. It's surprising how much credibility can be affected by such an oversight!

[@JheregJAB]

Trimarans always seem like great sailing boats if you can deal with the fact that there is very little space onboard. Neel have done some amazing things design wise to add space on a tri, because most other designs are very limited. They are also more weight sensitive than it sounded based on this video. Neel specifically had some pretty concerning manufacturing and quality issues in the recent past, but enough time has gone by that it is possible they've gotten those issues under control. Still would make me wary of their used market though.

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

The original company owner has left and the company has been under new ownership.

[@bobcornwell403]

I hear a few of what I believe to be misconceptions. First, trimarans are generally more weight sensitive than catamarans. This is because the outer hills are not suppose to bear any weight other than their selves. I have lived long enough to have lived through the development of modern, western trimarans. These have what are known as "full buoyancy floats", meaning the outer hills have enough volume to support the weight of the entire craft. The original trimarans, basically Asian and Pacific island work boats, had "low buoyancy" floats, usually bamboo or timber logs shaped to go through the water. These were to the stability to carry sail. Think of them as floating ballast. They take the place of a ballast keel. The earliest modern trimarans were designed by Arthur Pivor. These not only used full buoyancy floats, but extended the cabin well beyond sides of the main hull.. But weight was critical with these boats. This is because the main motivation for building them was speed. And such speed required a slim center hull. And slim hills sink down lower withe added weight, which kinda kills performance. Also, greater weight adds stress to the entire structure that is vastly more than the same added weight does to a monohull. In the 1960's trimarans were largely built by amateurs, and we're considered less expensive to build the similar sized monohulls due to the absence of a ballast- keel. A major minus of a large trimaran is it's huge beam. The beam/length ratio of a catamaran is typically 0.50. that of a trimaran is usually greater than 0.60. this can make finding slips at a marina a bit of a challenge. Also, hauling them out of the water is considerably more complicated than hauling out a mono or even a cat, and requires more specialized techniques and/ or equipment.

[@opcn18]

Trimarans suffer from the same problem as catamarans when sailing to wind. it's a matter of windage much more so that heeling. it's also an issue of volume. If you have a cat optimized to race with daggerboards or centerboards and very low volume it'll point well, if you have a trimaran with a full beam to beam deck house it'll point really poorly.

[@Nick-yz9fd]

If hurricanes and tropical storms become more common and occur later into the season, I predict that trimarans will gain in popularity. I think you'd want the peace of mind that you could outrun the storms if one should form around you.

[@ucazb4u]

It all comes down to vessel storage - where are you going to put it, and for how much?

[@OlafFichtner]

I'd love to get a trimaran - if it's an Ed Horstman design. Yes, tris are fast and the rapido 60 may be the fastest (at an unattainable price), but it has less living space than any TriStar above 40ft. But space limitations around here don't allow a Tri...

[@WillingPhillips-oj4gg]

Being a sailor is my bones I wanna haul seems like the only way to go. If I were really interested in speed I take an airplane, one of the great things about sailing is the ability to slow down time. Remember all the great explorations of the world that have been done at sea slowly with one form or another of a mono. Cats and tries to have great living space, And I suppose if you were going to spend a lot of time on a mooring or at a dock that would make sense but if your goal is to be on the water all that huge space is a little dangerous. I like being able to walk from one end of a mono hall to the other being pretty close to the sides of the boat so that I always have hand holes in cabinets to brace myself and rough weather. About your show here are the Neil is almost unimaginable to think about and any kind of severe weather. Not only with the stress and strain of the three holes be extraordinary but the wind it would be amazing. I could see the whole thing just lifting up out of the water when it’s blowing 70, I remember mountaineering when the wind got up around 60 it was extremely difficult to keep from being lifted I mean your whole body being lifted up in the air. So for a serious seller a nice 4045 footMorrill Hall most likely with a rather full kill maybe with a cutaway 4 foot wide give me extraordinary peace of mind. WillingPhillips Boston

[@daemonllama78]

What's a triamaran?

[@keshermedia]

💁 I think It looks a LOT like a trimaran but is evidently spelled differently! 🤣🤣🤣

[@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu]

It is that thing stupid americans think is a boat. 😂😂😂

[@koborkutya7338]

it's a proposal to make an attempt with a maran

[@hoyks1]

Trimarans always looked to me like a mono hull with training wheels. The lack of space in the small hulls is probably the biggest disadvantage. You can put a berth in there, but they are sleeping alone.

[@jackechan1311]

Your umpteenth `try-a-maran` sent me away at 4:15. I`ll be back though.

[@GinoDelG]

We seriously considered buying a Neel but found the design and build quality to be poor. We bought a Seawind catamaran instead and are very happy with it. Too bad no one else makes a cruising trimaran.

[@rolidcz7954]

Why are so many used neel boats currently on sale? Maybe because the bulkheads just stick together with a sort of chewing gum glue. If you buy an older neel then check all the bulkheads and reinforce them with new glass just to be safe. And add additional layers wherever greater forces are transmitted.

[@scottwallingford3847]

Practical Sailor printed their last subscription print magazine this year that had been in print for what? 50 years? And this is the new direction I suppose. PS didn't even test sail the Neel 43 & testing was their thing! You're breaking my heart.

[@pauls3075]

It's not "Tri A Maran" they are trimarans "Try Mar Ann"

[@davidtydeman1434]

Maybe we should think of a trimaran as a monohull with two outriggers

[@DougVarble]

Cat for me🎉

[@jamesg5001]

can many marinas accommodate this for a haul out?

[@fugue137]

I think you're far off base: much of what you say applies to the Neel designs, but not to trimarans in general. But you pull in lots of facts about racing trimarans and apply them to the Neel. I think this may be confusing and misleading: "The amas are just barely in the water"--this is weird. True for most modern non-Neel trimarans that are siting disused. Generally false while you're actually sailing. But see somewhere further below... "The topsides of a tri and cat may look the same"--most cruising cats have a lot of accommodation with the floor several feet above the water (where it can't pound), whereas most cruising tris have the floor a little below the waterline or barely above, since they're in a hull--more like a monohull. One thing that makes Neel trimarans unusual is that they've built a cat-like cabin--high above the water. I don't think it makes much sense to use them as your reference for trimaran topsides. "Neel 43 is about the same weight as a 43-foot monohull, but a comparable cat is [30% heavier]"--this statement is problematic for two reasons. - First, a big reason that multihulls are faster than monohulls is that they weigh less--because they're unballasted. If someone has managed to build a multihull that weighs the same as a monohull of the same length, I wouldn't expect it to perform "like a multihull" except in some very specific conditions. - Second, monohulls (and multihulls) of a given length can vary in weight by a lot more than a factor of 30%. What's the standard deviation of sail area / displacement ratios for all the boats you have heard of? The basis of your comparison seems nonsensical. "Because the weight is spread across three hulls, you can carry more weight than a cat"--um... you were closer to correct earlier in the video when you said the exact opposite! That is: the amas are generally loaded only when you heel. Only one (downwind, light air, tacking, or parked) or two hulls should be carrying significant weight. Which is more temperamental about added weight? Probably the lighter boat, whether it has one, two, or three hulls, although being overloaded hurts them all somewhat differently... "Stability"--all wrong!!! "The centre hull never leaves the water" usually right in a cruising tri, but don't say never unless you mean it. "...because it's at the centre of rotation"--as Pauli would say, NOT EVEN WRONG. And for those rare trimarans in which what you say is closer to accurate--those with < 100%-buoyancy amas--your "27-degrees-of-heel" claim is no longer true. Neel's claim about weight distribution being important is technically correct, but their use of that is not correct. If the boat isn't heeling much, then the vertical positioning of that weight is largely irrelevant--only the horizontal positioning matters. So the argument is... more marketing drivel than physics. This is Practical Sailor, so I request less advertising and more debunking, please. Has a Neel competed in the ARC? Racing trimarans often win races for reasons that Neel has generally not implemented. It's like saying that because Comanche is fast (for a monohull), a Dutch Botter (also a monohull, like Comanche!) is also fast. If you're going to talk speed, I'd find PHRF or Texel ratings far more informative than claims about theoretical top speeds. AFAICT someone estimated the Neel 45 to have a Texel of 110, which doesn't sound too bad for a heavy boat of that length, but it's not exactly a scorcher. Can you dig up ratings better than I can? "Monohulls point higher than cats; it's just by design." This is what really rubbed me the wrong way. It's simply incorrect. You could try saying "Boats with high-aspect foils point higher than boats without" but that isn't perfectly accurate--they generally make less leeway, but also high-aspect foils are often seen on boats that also have racing rigs. You could say "Monohulls tend to keep their jibstays tighter than multis, which leads to higher pointing", which is a start but is not the whole story--WHY don't multihulls keep their jibstays as taut? (What if, e.g., they both had backstays? Why are those less common on multihulls?) You could say "Boats with lower freeboard point higher", but that's not right either (it may involve wind shear, but more with design-intention correlations, although the extra drag of a high bridge will *improve* pointing by reducing speed, thus decreasing the boatspeed (headwind) component of apparent wind). You could say "Multihulls often make good more speed to windward when sailed a little more free", which is true of fast boats in general, but it's not what you said--it's a decision of the skipper, not of the design. You could talk about interactions with chop, which would add a useful piece as well. But as it stands, the statement turns a statistical tendency into a religious truth claim. Gross. "Monohulls are more connected to the art of sailing--you feel everything on a mono"--you feel heel more, but you feel sail trim less. A light powerful boat such as a fast multihull can pick up a knot or two in about 5 seconds when you let the jib sheet out a couple of inches. That level of connection to the art of sailing is hard to find in a heavier boat. When a puff hits and you're already near hull speed, you'll never feel a monohull lift and accelerate the way a fast multihull will. "Much harder to flip over"--I don't think your intuition here is borne out in practice, especially when e.g. reaching in high breaking seas. Statistics would convince me, if you have them, but I've seen a lot of arguments on this topic. You're the journalist; I'm just a sailor...

[@gregbrazier209]

You seem to understand the physics of sailing. I get a great buzz when my boat exceeds theoretical hull speed of 7.5kt and jumps to 9kt.

[@jefflaydon3381]

Monohull with training wheels, so you don’t spill the wine.

[@ottifantiwaalkes9289]

You show people how ignorant you are. You even write about it.

[@dantetriana148]

I will tri...

[@franckbrunie4759]

A Neel 43 is actually not so fast, precisely due to its high weight for its size. Trimarans are also quite weight sensitive.

[@Frog13799]

Problem is slowing the thing down when the wind is honking from astern, a drogue is advisable if going offshore.

[@WilliamStarkeyIII-hd2cj]

Should a first time sailor ( solo ) consider a multi hull or a mono hull ? I plan on living the rest of my life on the sea .

[@foobar9220]

I would first gain some experience with sailing before considering moving onboard for the rest of your life. Also, solo sailing can be quite challenging at times. You definitely need a boat design that makes single handed sailing easy. And do not forget that you might want to sleep at night ;) Personally, I would only go for a monohull when solo sailing exceeds daysails. The safety benefits for me outweigh every other drawback.

[@MalLaw-c2q]

I really don't like the generalization that Cats are naturally Faster than Monos, maybe performance Cats, but some of those those floating bricks are built to be at anchor! and that's fine, but rarely if ever will they see double digits. I don't like how cats ride, point (i mean crab) or the motion, i do like my Monohull (a Jeanneau 45 that will do 8knoats all day long and I've had up to 15!) passed many a Lagoon type Cat! I do like the NEEL Tri's and would take one over a Cat in fact i looked at buying a Neel 45 but was still a bit to dear so went for another Mono.

[@fountainvalley100]

If you want the maneuverability of a catamaran in a trimaran add two electric pod drives.

[@slacker2101]

Someone has been uncritically reading the Neel brochure and regurgitating it. Neel trimarans bear no similarity to racing tris, just as cruising cats are quite distinct from their racing cousins. If you weigh down a cruising tri as much as a cruising cat you'll get a similar performance.

[@kleinbiker1]

Tri - a - maran ???

[@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu]

American idiot who cannot read

[@SailandHike]

As a catamaran owner, I have to respectfully disagree that cats wont sail to windward. Not all cats are dogs!. My Schionning catamaran will sail comfortably at 34 degrees apparent, 30 is pinching. Easily tacks within 90 degrees. In most conditions, it will also haul upwind with both dagger boards fully raised.

[@GreenG-314]

"Try-a-maran" Huh. I've always heard it pronanced "Tri-maran"

[@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu]

He is a stupid american that cannot read

[@gregbrazier209]

I have had a Piver Nimble, trailersailers, now a Grainger cat. Now consider trimarans as a failed concept. The “snap roll” of a trimaran is particularly awkward.

[@tomlambert1833]

What is a tryahmaran ?

[@FatWhiskyDrinkingGuy]

Tryah before you buyah....

[@colinhillier5627]

It’s when you use one for a week or two and give it back.

[@BigKahuna545]

Ask Stewie Griffin.

[@tomlambert1833]

@@colinhillier5627 hahaha

[@JamesKelly81]

@@BigKahuna545anyone for Cool Whip

[@HikerBikerMoter]

Looking for a boat that can do 20 knots like a tri but the multiple large rooms of a catamaran ⛵

[@donhone7892]

That should be Tri maran

[@jvodan]

Mono-hull with training wheels

[@PixelFPV]

I went on the Neel at the boat show and I wasn't impressed. I couldn't see it being a liveaboard cruiser in any capacity. I'd take a cat for less money and more space any day.

[@georgedoolittle9015]

Until this industry gets serious about "dropping the main"(sail) platforms such as this will remain highly sought after as they are absolutely properly spacious but also with very shallow draft and stable much more "sail-able" if that be a term. Get rid of a main sail on a trimaran and the interior space and practicality of that would be enormous as there is #kite_sailing now for some time as well...no mast needed at all anymore for sailing😊😊

[@tigersharkzh]

Neels may have 3 hulls but don't compare them to almost all other trimarans. They're fat slow poorly engineered piles of crap. they won't point higher than a performance cat and are way slower. Have a look how many Neels are on the used market compared to comparable cats such as Lagoons, Leopards FP etc. about 1/3 of all Neels ever built are on the market! Getting rid of one can become a nightmare. Ask a broker, they have access to a data base that shows the average time a certain boat is on the market. You'll be shocked at the stats. Tri, yes please. Neel, never ever ever. I'd rather poke my eye out with a red hot glowing iron rod.

[@bobgranafei6809]

Is there a builder today who builds interiors. that don't look Ikea?

[@ImpérioLatinoIbérico]

in reality the trimaran is better than anything, a catamaran you gain somethings and lose others, the trimaran is just better than everything in every way, the only downside is price and size, peaple think of boat's in length, but a trimaran have 3x more space, for a mono to compete it have to be 3x bigger in length, no one say a 100 feet mono is worse than a 50 because it is bigger... in my mind a trimaran is the same, only if you buy a small catamaran or trimaran this problem is real. for smal boats a mono is just better for the price.

[@donhone7892]

Tri maraan not Triamaran

[@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk]

I think trimarans have never really been marketed for cruisers.

[@ryanh4889]

Tri a mararn? Huh?

[@attilat8879]

Ok, it happens, this video didn't work out. The Neel 43 is the smallest in their range, to pull consequences from the "crappiest" model is never smart. It could have been better to use the Neel 52 (their mid size tri) for comparing. It comes with cat like space, multiple cabins in the side hull, and - fasten your seatbelts - with an ICNN (uncapsizable) CE Certification. Oooops, hello competition!

[@alebeda]

Why are you pronouncing Trimaran in such a weird way?

[@bruceklein9008]

Neel designs the boats but they farm out the construction to various yards. There have been some major construction issues popping up lately including bulkhead delamination. You can Google articles on this.

[@BC-tp8ep]

Just been visiting the NEEL yards in La Rochelle. I can confirm they own and operate their own yards.

[@solosailer55]

not correct! make your home work.

[@BC-tp8ep]

@@solosailer55 Is it particular models being built in other yards? All the ones I saw were being built in NEEL’s own yards and it’s quite an extensive operation in La Rochelle. Seriously I’m interested to know.

[@bruceklein9008]

@@BC-tp8ep They have their own yard now, but it did not start out that way.

[@solosailer55]

@@BC-tp8ep all there models are build in there own factory at La Rochelle

[@stugc88]

Never a multihull offshore for me.

[@bkay1067]

As a new to offshore, why is that ?

[@stugc88]

Once they go over 45° heel you're capsized w no righting moment, unlike a monohull. He says that and also refers to the need for reefing.

[@Frog13799]

Only a Catamaran offshore for me.

[@ScotChef]

Neel!? 😂 oh wow yes i have heard so many great reviews of their submarines so well built and if theres a problem they will sort it quick smart,, no wait thats a fairy story i read somewhere lol

[@johnjob9523]

The pronunciation gets me real bad

[@MiketakesaHike]

TRI - MA - RAN............not Tri - a - mar - an

[@angela1984a]

I think you meant to write TRI - MA - RAN...

[@bwhip]

There's no "ram" in trimaran.

[@MiketakesaHike]

@@bwhip fixed it blaming fat fingers and autocorrect

[@bwhip]

@@MiketakesaHike They're darn close on the keyboard too.

[@pkrockit]

Tri-A-maran!? 🤯🤣 OMG.

[@carlthor91]

Did Tim get replaced by an AI?

[@licencetoswill]

are you butchering that word deliberately for comment bait ?

[@mookiesurfs]

What a fricking barge

[@OldSlow]

Trialmaran... =P

[@2nd_of_3]

3 Tri’s have catastrophically failed in the last 2 years.. same problem with 3 as 2, take it too far and get Slapped down.

[@Paul_C]

The try in fact, is a tri. Not try, seems you forgot to read up on pronunciation. Almost as if your channel is just a job, not a passion. In other words, the American Hustle.

[@francisverhelst9375]

Neel has not a very good reputation on quality

[@DeanLewis-l9o]

Tri-ma-ran, not tri-A-ma-ran! Sound out the words. I cringed every time you pronounced it wrong!

[@bellwether9496]

They weird

[@davidryan5052]

Your misinformation and the depth of inaccurate statements have erased all credibility with me. Not to mention the consistent mispronunciation of the word trimaran. Just two things as examples. Trimarans rarely have much space for the size. and Trimarans like any performance sailboat are incredibly weight sensitive More so than most Catamarans. Perhaps this would have been better as a review of Neil trimarans instead to Trimarans as a whole.

[@peterasquith6942]

You’ve sailed what? X = unknown quantity, Spert - drip under pressure. Yet another purely KZbin revenue Generater video. I saw the factory where the Niel Tri’s are built. Production moulds out in the sun/ weather. Build quality crap.

[@frederickc.galfas7096]

Stop saying “Try a maran” . It’s annoying !

[@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu]

It is "trimaran", not "triamaran" 😂😂😂