Why Can't I Experience Deep Sleep?

A conversation about being aware of deep sleep.
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[@Adam-rh1gf]

Deep sleep is simply a state that contains no objects whatsoever. Without objects, there is no memory of objects. Without memory of objects, there is no experience of time. The experience of temporal duration is an illusion that owes it's existence entirely to memory.

[@harrybellingham98]

this is turning into an addiction

[@abby999]

better than the alternatives for sure😂

[@Lu-ji]

Don't see it as an addiction but rather as a Divine reminder to become aware of your True Self. Blessings Lu

[@supartril]

next step, start a religion 🤣

[@vinceofyork1757]

​@@supartril LOL no need for beliefs when you have actual experience.

[@adamdownes4725]

When I was a child what struck me about deep sleep the most was there was no time. When I thought about it afterwards I would say “8 hours by passed instantly”

[@piehound]

Sometimes i like to have my mind fried by Rupert. Yaaaay !!!

[@bradstephan7886]

While Rupert made some wonderful points, I wish he would have simply answered: You can't say you don't experience deep sleep, only that you have no memory of that experience. Memories require thoughts and thoughts require objects, and the very definition of deep sleep is the absence of objects for the mind to conceive or perceive.

[@dandananda]

No. You shouldn’t wish that. He could indeed say you don’t experience deep sleep (though as you point out he didn’t go there) Without thought to breath life into the identity of the experiencer, there is no I, in the sense that the questioner intended, to experience. Even ‘there is an experience of deep sleep’ is meaningless without reference to an experiencer. There is awareness in deep sleep. That awareness is not an experience, it is no less than you. I wouldn’t suggest second guessing this particular master!

[@dragonofthewest8305]

He was put on the spot

[@exstazius]

And + what you experience as waking state is a dream. It is not real.

[@exstazius]

The experienced person in the waking state is an illusion of the mind but the mind thinks it is real. During dream state the experienced persoon is also an illusion ot the mind but (as in the waking state) it thinks it is real. We can not even comprehend what is reality with our minds. You can only be sure that this is a fantasy. A beautifull one

[@johnnywlittle]

Brad Stephan yeah, he actually did say exactly that!

[@AshokAshok-dt6lu]

Excellently put forward. Time is consciousness objectified as thought. Space is consciousness objectified as perception.

[@johnnywlittle]

Ashok Ashok yes! Best line of the video and maybe of any video. Re listened several times was so mind blowing.

[@SandraWhitaker123]

That is why the mind is very important because it is like an interface or filter for the experience of consciousness in its dream (that is, when we are "awake" during the day), and then when we go to sleep at night, the mind turns off and only consciousness remains, because it is fully awake… Mr. Spira, you’re an awesome teacher!!!, because you don’t give the answers easily, you make us inquire until we find out the answers ( realize how simple the truth is ) thanks SO MUCH for that.

[@coenterhaar9183]

Everything happens within consciousness......There's nothing to know or understand...... Whatever question is being asked, ask yourself who is asking the question?.....In consciousness or awarenes you won't find a person.....You won't find an "I"!......It can't be defined with words, but that what is experiencing is definitely here!.....It's what is experiencing everything......It's so obvious when found!...... All Rupert can do is point, and with his amazing ability and articulation, it can resonate with a knowing within.......It's a realisation and a knowing, and once realised, life will never be the same.....Searching will stop......Just be that which can't be explained.....There is a peace and a flow when realised! 😊.....No more attachment to any mind constructs or thoughts! 😊......You've awakened to ultimate truth of beingness, which is a mystery......It's timeless, and before everything...... It's always been here, and always will be......It's a constant presence, and it's always here and now!.....Just be that. 😊

[@truckerfaye9002]

WELL SAID!!! 👏👏👏

[@coenterhaar9183]

Thank you Rupert! It's so simple, and I can listen to you for hours hearing and realising what I've always known! That what is experiencing is always here and now, from birth to death! It's something we've always known, but forgotten through indoctrination and conditioning! Circumstances, life experiences, and religions which are so sure of themselves throw us completely of track to wake up to that what is so obvious, real and true! 😊

[@FirstPersonHood]

Unborn

[@imagine9033]

One of the best key-videos to understand the knowing in which everything appears

[@ToriZealot]

When I was a child, I challenged my parents because I told them I was never sleeping. I never had memories of sleeping ...

[@johnnywlittle]

ToriZealot you’re probably closer to the experience than what he’s trying to explain.

[@NickRyanBayon]

Same, it's my usual. I go to sleep and wake up. There is nothing as far as I can remember, not blackness, not dreams, just nothing.

[@skvirk2669]

@@NickRyanBayon what experience the nothingness? How do you recall it was nothing. Very interesting...

[@MayaState]

Imagine a world in which videos like this get as many views as videos like a Katy Perry music video actually do (Over a billion).

[@human5715]

Still wouldn't change much since everything mainstream becomes obscured from it's original purpose. The right people come at the right time to the right understanding and those who don't, aren't yet ready. Mainstream or not ~

[@FirstPersonHood]

@@human5715 All is well.

[@oscar3490]

Yes imagine that! 👍

[@abby999]

@@FirstPersonHood always

[@hydrogenroar]

We can't say we don't experience deep sleep we can only say we have no memory of it. But in order for there to be memory there must be objects of perception to be remembered. In deep sleep there are no objects thus there is nothing to be remembered.

[@zain4019]

Rick Silvester Wonderful:)

[@ZpointG]

So deep it hurts...worth a revisit...constant revisits...

[@johnkelly7044]

Trying to explain thought with more thought, better to stay quiet than trying to scrape the barrel of concepts and ending up more confused.

[@quantumhealingtools]

Not a bad addiction to have!

[@DevendraTak]

Mindboggling, as ever. This video turned my concepts of Reality upside down

[@subhrorjchowdhury3277]

@Eric Wolfs You are yet to understand the "I"

[@subhrorjchowdhury3277]

@Eric Wolfs, I understand your point, I went through the same conflict/confusion. All I say say brother, the pure awareness (aka “I”) is something that has to be experienced, and is not understandable by our logical mind. My best wishes are there for you that all your confusion resolves soon.

[@fidrewe99]

​@Eric Wolfs //The waking state is more real, no matter what Rupert says. You can not get killed in a dream. In the waking state you can. We have to eat, drink and go to the toilet etc... // How severe the consequences of desicions are within a state is not a measure of how real a state is. //In deep sleep, your consiousness is turned off. Other people can still see your body. The only thing that is not present is the consiousness of the sleeping person. Rupert turns everything up side down despite the fact that our experience says otherwise.// The problem here is that you are assuming that there is an external world, within which an absoulte time exists, within which consciousness arises and dies. Experience doesn't say that, it's the materialistic paradigm, with which you interpret your experience. //So it's a matter of believe and not a higher truth or something like that.// Quite the opposite. Thought systems are a matter of believe, only what you become directly aware of is undeniable.

[@fidrewe99]

@Eric Wolfs no, you are presuming that the awareness arises in the body, i.e. that bodies exist outside of awareness. According to your experience, the sleeping bodies of others that you see are not part of an external world, but part of your consciousness. Part of your consciousness, not theirs.

[@fidrewe99]

​@Eric Wolfs As soon as the man hits the wall, it comes into being. This is by the way what quantum physics tells us. In fact, physics only tells us, how things behave, not what their substance is. The existence of a wall independent from consciousness is something that you can never prove, because in order to tell, if there is a wall, you need consciousness. All attempts to imagine a wall outside of consciousness are doomed to fail, because everything you could ever know is made out of consciousness. Images are made of consciousness, thoughts are made of consciousness, the sense of touch is made of consciousness.

[@thomas0101]

When we experience the "I am" feeling realization of consciousness it is from the point of view of ego and objects - we observe the doorway of infinity shining into the world of ego and objects. But in deep sleep we walk completely through that doorway which is beyond the ability of the ego to comprehend and remember as we don't experience consciousness shining through objects but pure consciousness alone.

[@gerusch2626]

thank you very much thomas. i have been struggling with this for the last 24 hours. i was trying to figure this out, howcome we are aware of "i am" in the wake and dream state (lucid dreaming, astral projection), and like mentioned in this video....between thoughts we are aware of awareness. but we are not aware of awareness in deep sleep. it was very confusing because rupert said in other videos...conciousness needs mind to experience the world, but conciousness doesnt need mind to experience itself. understood...but why arent we aware of being aware in deep sleep when there is no body-mind and our nature is to be conciousness but no experience of itself in deep sleep? then i ask...who is there to be aware of there being no experience of itself?

[@RGV_9]

Beautifully explained

[@haunteddeandollsuk]

dr spira is the best he speaks the truth

[@nimim.markomikkila1673]

A different approach might satisfy the minds: In the deep sleep the mind - which Rupert refers to as thought - is totally at rest. Meaning, also the faculty of memory is out of office, so to speak. Meaning, we don´t remember being aware during deep sleep. But, in the lab, in sleep&dream research, when people are woken up straight from deep sleep, they report having just had some abstract content of consciousness e.g. could be anything, that lets you know "I am". Because the last 8 seconds of our lives doesn´t require memory, but it has the freshness of now, this report is only possible being awakened from deep sleep. Normally, we wake up from dream sleep. So, there´s awareness, but we don´t usually remember it.

[@SevakKirakosyan]

nimim. Marko Mikkilä Any links to those reports please? Or KZbin videos? Sounds very interesting. Thanks.

[@dason5408]

nimim. Marko Mikkilä Your explanation is much more plausible than Rupert's

[@sublita]

We never remember so there's no awareness

[@I-Am-Aware]

Rupert Spira...masterful! Thank you so much!

[@RosebudMediaKE]

He should have just said from the onset that deep sleep is not the absence of awareness but the awareness of absence (of thoughts & perceptions)

[@Shane7492]

A lack of memory does not mean there was a lack of being. We are an eternal being that is always present, and that is never dependent on memory.

[@HowToGuys]

This video is for those who really want to know what is true nature of reality,any modifications of mind is not absolute reality its just wrong perception of mind, absolute reality is neither nothing or something,it's both.

[@cat_lover007]

No one knows or can know about reality.. It's nondual beyond our thoughts and understanding. Rupert is correct, thoughts can't go there.

[@leoniekhoury5705]

God's infinite being, the un - nameable reality. Beautiful 💙

[@tutorial9322]

Thank you, this reveals freedom for me ❤️

[@annavirovlansky2144]

brilliant !!!!

[@thomas0101]

It seems to me that in deep sleep we experience a deeper level of consciousness beyond the experience of consciousness that appears from the primary point of view of ego and the world of objects. Consciousness as the feeling "I am" shines through as the subtlest of objects from the point of view of ego and objects but in deep sleep we experience a consciousness alone which is beyond even the "I am" feeling realization which in fact is the subtlest of objects. The ego has no ability to remember the completely objectless purer form of consciousness that we experience in deep sleep.

[@reggaemow]

I would say that the conscious and subconscious mind shuts of in the deep sleep state. As it's the minds job to create the illusion of ego, then there's no ego at all entering the state of deep sleep. The mind is now total empty and blank (in other words gone) and awareness is only awareness, awareness does not experience itself through this particular mind any more. And suddenly, the subconscious mind turns on - and there we have awareness (true I) experiencing itself through a dream. And then again, deep sleep. And suddenly the conscious mind turns on, and awareness experiencing itself through the waking mind. Now, our job is to get our mind quiet enough so it goes into a absolut blank and empty state but doing so conscious and awake. What will happen then? I don't know. Maybe there will be an experience of the self so subtle and transparent that it realises the truth of no-self.

[@quake3quake3]

alm roth That's the state of samadhi.

[@thomas0101]

I recently had an insight into deep sleep that is both very simple and profound. What becomes aware beyond objects of experience in deep sleep and the waking state is the same absolute awareness or identity. If one can experience this absolute awareness in deep sleep when the body/ego is unaware and there is no apparent physical world this awareness is clearly not tied to the body or the apparent physical world... This simple fact is a way one can prove to oneself that identity is primarily beyond the body, space, time and matter...

[@Terrybear27]

It's called "witnessing sleep" I think

[@ottofrinta7115]

Only in this video it finally started clicking in, funny I've heard a few days ago a Harvard professor of psychology explain why actually the dream state is the more complete yet less focused state than the waking world, would confirm what Rupert is saying.

[@RGV_9]

Could you elaborate on what that professor said, or share a link? I'm very interested in hearing it

[@jaybernzweig9074]

Even in deep, dreamless sleep the mind (though "unconscious" in its shallow sense) continues to operate. Which is why a loud noise can awaken it. And why it can awaken itself a few seconds before the alarm clock rings. So the illusion of human perception that Awareness projects continues even as we sleep.

[@acimwallpapers]

Nearly every time I have to watch Rupert's videos more then once to really get it, it's so intense :)

[@jurek46pink]

So have I...:)

[@paztururututu4864]

:) Thank you very much, Rupert!

[@bildencarlia6924]

Phenomenal clarity...

[@RobbeyT1]

Matthew 11:27 "No one knows the father except the son" .. Only consciousness can know consciousness, the mind can't.

[@SK-pg8dv]

I love your explanation

[@hanifamenen1082]

Nice explanation!

[@oscar3490]

Truly remarkable.

[@3divine3insights37]

Great 👍 Explanation.

[@ikwartin]

What is deep sleep? If anyone can define " deep sleep" then that person has experienced it. It is only by experience that anyone can truly know. For consciousness to experience deep sleep, it has to become deep sleep. For consciousness to experience unconsciousness, it has to became unconscious. If God wants to experience being a man, he has to become a man. What we call unconscious is an experience of Consciouness. Deep sleep is a nature of consciousness. Consciousness has the power to become unconscious and it has the power to become consciouss . Consciousness and unconciousness is the nature of the same "self ". In the bible, Jesus said, " I have the power to laid down my life and I have the power to take it again - John 10 vrs 18

[@NickRyanBayon]

So then is it valid to say that death is just a complete unconscious state? That there is nothing after death?

[@ikwartin]

@@NickRyanBayon At death consciousness is sleeping which means it is unconscious. What comes after is resurrection which is the waking state. Consciousness has the power to fall asleep and it has the power to wake up. It also has the power to dream. The nature of consciousness is sleep/wake up/dream.

[@NickRyanBayon]

@@ikwartin then there is only life eternal because the unconscious state is but a blink much as when you sleep and wake up in what seems like the next moment the day after.

[@multi_misa72]

awesome

[@sublita]

I don't agree Rupert: the gaps between thoughts are pure consciousness but at the same time they occur in the waking state. In meditation there are moments in which I don't think but I know inside me to exist and I can remember the gaps between thoughts. In deep sleep I have no memory, I don't exist. So how should it be the absence of awareness? The deep sleep is the perfect representation of absence of it! How can this awareness decide to live this illusion if it can't think? Tolle says that deep sleep is a portal to the Source and that normally we are UNCONSCIOUS (not aware) in it during the sleep, but if we become fully conscious in that state, there is the Illumination/samadhi which you REMEMBER after (for example you feel blissful, at home)

[@freddystaelens]

Jenny.V dear Jenny, is there a video on the net where i can watch this statement from Tolle? Because as with anything on the subject, it is important to see the context in witch it is presented. Like the concept of being aware in deep sleep seems to contradict the verry definition of it. Everybody shall agree on the fact that there must be at least allertness, otherwise how to wake somebody out of deep sleep. Lukily i would say if there is fire.

[@lauranatura1340]

I think that we should make the distinction between consciousness and Awareness, at least in the forest stage of understanding, so we don't be confused by language.. In fact, Nisargadatta used to make it. Consciousness is the light of Awareness finding and object and making it knowable. It's why we are conscious or aware of objects in the walking state and deep sleep. Awareness is the Source of that light of knowing or consciousness. Consciousness is Awareness+objects. Awareness in Manifestation, the Manifested. Awareness is pure Knowing, without objects. The Unmanifested. It is the space of pure sensitivity or Knowing that includes the conscious, subconscious and unconcious. Consciousness cannot be without Awareness, but Awareness can be without consciousness. This is why in deep sleep, even when we are not conscious, we are Aware of absence. They are the same, but Consciousness is the modulation of Pure Awareness in and through form. That why they say that Awareness is the same as God, or the Absolute.

[@TheBrakedown]

This is insane !

[@dr.susheelkhemariya8966]

Thanks gretitude dhanyabad

[@blablblaaaaaaaaa]

this what i was searching thank you

[@portretite]

The infinite(deep sleep) can not be known by direct observation by the finite(I am). From the finite point of view one only observe WHAT IS NOT INFINITE***. But in the same time, one can have a glimpsе for the unlimitless. Like a feeling what is beyond the limited horizon of (I am) of objects,feelings and perceptions. Why finite can know the infinite. Because the consciousness wich perceving both states (deep sleep an I am) is the same one. *** From here is famous advaita tehnique "neti neti" -Iam not the body ,I am not the mind, etc. Why we don't remember in deep sleep . Because there doesn't have a finite objects, like thoughts and feelings. From this state one can have some perceptions which cannot describe. Therefore limited(I am) dont have capacity to organize picture of the world(deep sleep) wich is perceived. But "something" is clearly perceived. Don Juan is asked so many times by Castaneda to describe what He seeis in nagual . And every time Don Juan tell Him that cannot describe what He sees. But can function and live there like in a normal state.

[@kalyanidivakar]

In waking state, awareness with out any thoughts but in deep sleep that awareness also not present. Confuse if no answer or speak so many, like time, space. Thoughtless awareness present in waking state but during deep sleep that thoughtless awareness also absent.

[@youtellmegod]

I enjoy your talks Sir. Yet they can give one a bit of annoyance. ;)

[@Aaron_Gentry]

The guy asking Rupert questions sounds like Ali G

[@davide8012]

lol

[@alfogel3298]

Rupert is 99% correct. But to become God Realized (having infinite Power , Knowledge, and Bliss at your disposal continuous without a break) there is a state of super consciousness which includes being wide awake in deep sleep. Very very few out of the billions of souls are God Realized. The Ones that gain public recognition of God Realization were Avatars including but not limited to Zoroaster , Buddha, Krishna. Jesus the Christ, Mohammad, and the most recent Avataric advent Meher Baba. Yes, this is my opinion only as I have not experienced the Subtle ( pran , energy first 3 planes of conscious awareness ( according to Meher Baba) not the 4th plane ( Christians consider the Dark Night Of The Soul) and not the 5th thru 7th planes of the Mental Sphere). Rupert is correct in stating there is and never was a dis-continuity of infinite awareness but it is my belief that Rupert ( along with 99.99999999% of humanity including myself ) has not experienced being awake in deep sleep whereupon you never sleep in the conventional sense. This is where I differ with Rupert. I believe that when you are truly awake in deep sleep you will know Bliss ( not happiness), Knowledge ( have infinite Knowledge with the ability to use it) and Power ( with the ability to wield it for the betterment of us souls in the gross world or sphere) Al

[@piehound]

Something borrowed, something blue . . . semantics is what makes up *you.*

[@synesthesia251]

he says it all so clearly... might have to relisten here and there but the logic he uses is flawless

[@jyotsnagupta23]

IT IS AS IT IS ....THAT ONE ALONE

[@SpiritualFacts]

this guy is so interesting!

[@chianisnotgoodboy]

Our conscious mind is only thinking so if you relax the conscious mind then subconscious door will be open then full of awareness

[@Clarkkent163]

Why would you want to be aware of being in deep sleep for? I like the feeling of there being complete nothingness, just an oblivion, I like that

[@paarkour83]

I don’t know guys.. but for surely interesting af

[@mojsak5407]

subjekt and objekt, the world, perception, words, Emotions, eternitiy, non-eternity, expirience all are a Produkt of words and thinking. Awarness self is a concept.

[@sorenchesscoach]

Well... If I'm aware of the gap between two thoughts, why am I not aware of the gap called deep sleep too ?

[@LionelMarsden]

Sorin Atanasiu you have no memory of it

[@anthonyanthony284]

Lionel Marsden If you use the memory argument, that you were aware but just don't remember it, same can be said of birth and death. Rupert says no beginning because you have no experience of beginning. Well why not just say you can't remember? In fact, all the stuff about trusting your experience, and what you haven't experienced isn't real that he talks about (matter, beginning, ending etc.) could just be chocked up to not remembering.

[@Clarkkent163]

@@LionelMarsden not true, and doesn't even make any sense, think about it, "I had breakfast this morning but can't remember but I know I had breakfast" what I'm trying to say here is that when we're awake, we remember or don't remember but we still know that something happened lol, similar thing with deep sleep, there's no memory of it yeah but to say that you're still aware you just can't remember is just plain silly, you're not aware of anything, whether you have a memory of it or not, also you can't even begin to think to remember the disappearance of deep sleep, the brain will never allow that, you're not consciously aware of anything, just an oblivion end of

[@lindaj71]

Memory is state-dependant.

[@SOLO-po2mh]

I see now that When Buzz Lightyear said "To infinity and beyond" he was talking about the path to Enlightenment.. Beyond infinity is the True Self

[@jyotsnagupta23]

Immense

[@sandymayer5486]

If the waking state is thought and perception, how would we classify or characterize meditative awareness? One who is in meditation can be briefly without thought and be without perception, I think. Or are we classifying such a state as a dream state?

[@SWo2007]

Presumably the experience of awareness itself is the sense that the "I" that goes to sleep is the same "I" that wakes up i.e. there is a continuity as opposed to the I that went to sleep being a different I that wales up?

[@jairdanmeir9341]

The experience of deep sleep is the experience of the non-dual. There is no thing to compare any thing to. Thus there is an impression of unconsciousness. ONE has no OTHER that it can be aware of. There are no subject object relationships in deep sleep, only pure subjectivity.

[@NicoleHorlor]

Do you know how I see this, it is a complete surrender of a separate self form and all. I have experienced this in meditation. I feel it as great peace some fear it as death. I did not go anywhere only the illusion of a separate form was suspended.

[@aixareina6813]

Ok their is a lot to unravel.So conditioned in understanding consciousness.

[@Torcufanshaw]

Wow

[@kalyanidivakar]

Theory is great but only experiential knowledge help to perceive rather than spiritual theories

[@Deso958]

What is the Ego? Are we born we an Ego and does it grows as we mature into adults? Is the Ego that important for us to live on this planet peacefully?

[@aminetanouyat9643]

The ego is only a symbol, an idea. It doesn't directly exist in reality, it only does through identification with thought and feeling which this identification itself is just another thought and feeling. In other words, the ego doesnt exist apart or separate from thoughts and feelings, which makes it an illusion as an idea or symbol.

[@brussell]

Question, then. Why do people experience -- that is, remember -- near death and out-of-body experiences? There is no mind happening, just as with deep sleep.

[@albundy9597]

of course thought is aware of a space between thoughts otherwise we wouldn't be able to speak about it, we could even time it with a watch with our mind watching the second hand. In deep sleep we are not aware of awareness or of anything so one could say it is possible that awareness is not present.

[@mathrodite]

Do you become self-aware in deep sleep at some point in your practice? If deep sleep is "awareness of the absence of experience", what is death awareness? Are they the same?

[@joeyjarin5544]

If nobody is aware of deep sleep, then it is not known. Is there really such a thing as deep sleep? If there is then it should be known, right. Conciousness/awareness doesn't turn off.

[@gerardgrimardia3274]

6:00: = deep sleep does happen in time.It is eternity,awareness.

[@gerardgrimardia3274]

experience = I am always present.

[@ikwartin]

Rupert Spira talks about deep sleep from the point of view of the body mind. Everything he says in this video is from the point of view of his body mind. Therefore his explanation about deep sleep from the point of view of his body mind cannot be completely true. In his mind he thinks that in deep sleep consciousness is pure. When Rupert is in deep sleep his mind is not present. How can his mind come back later and truthfully explain deep sleep. Everything he says about deep sleep is a believe of his own body mind.

[@sergeyvolkovskiy1212]

Bravo. Rupert Spira completely misunderstands the point, as always. You explanation is very good.

[@paveljablonsky4537]

Nope.. R.S. says that waking-state-mind (questioner mind) can't get answer/knowing about consciousness in deep sleep, bcs consciousness is not something that mind (or deep sleep) can handle/describe/experience.. so.. my mind thinks 😀 that consciousness is "something" in "which" these states can apear/exist but consciousness itself doesn't need to know about this or ask this question... bcs question is a thought/s 😄.. Pheew.. they say that mind can only be used for pointing.. but experience of consciousness is.. another story... :) (i wasn't in this 'state' yet.. but i'm trying..:) )

[@ikwartin]

@@paveljablonsky4537 This is laughable. If waking-state-mind (questioner mind) can't get answer/knowing about consciousness in deep sleep, bcs consciousness is not something that mind (or deep sleep) can handle/describe/experience, then why is Rupert Spira in his waking-state-mind teaching his students the nature of consciousness? Check this link kzbin.info/www/bejne/iF6seq13l9GJosk

[@reggaemow]

This is extra interesting if you are practising lucid dreaming and become conscious in your dream. Have you ever tried to do meditation or self-inquiry inside your dreaming-state?

[@thomas0101]

No but I always wondered what that would be like... I very very rarely dream lucidly so I have not had the chance have you?

[@reggaemow]

No not yet. I had not started practising meditation when I was into lucid dreaming. But at the time I had about 1-2 lucid dreams a month. The funny thing in a lucid dream is that everything feels as real as in the waking state, but the only difference is that you know everything is happening inside the mind. So if I have a lucid dream again I will definitely try to meditate/do self inquiry.

[@mooog1]

I had a series of consecutive lucid dreams, the surprising observation is when the dream ended I maintained awareness to witness the space between each dream, a dimension less void of nothing in which firstly geometric shapes then followed by incomprehensible symbols that faded back from which the next dream emerged, any thoughts anyone? Incidentally for any lucid explorers, I found an easy way of exiting a dream to then enter the void, firstly, within the dream find a wall and place your back to it, turn around 180 ° while intending to pass through it.

[@Toertsch]

This happened once when I was so tired of the world that I didn't even want to enjoy my spontaneous lucid dream. I let myself fall through the ground which was just a thin plane. There was infinite black void and I began meditating while I kept falling. An image of a white point in the center appeared and stayed until I woke up hours later. Time didn't pass during this state but I have a memory of being unconsciously aware the whole night. = I didn't have an "I am" feeling nor a feeling for time, but in my memory it looks like the state lasted the whole night and that there were no gaps in awareness. Fascinating... Afterwards, I read on a german lucid dreaming wiki that this aware state during sleep is called "Klarlicht Traum" which means "clear-light dream".

[@Clarkkent163]

This video isn't talking about lucid dreaming, it's talking about deep sleep, there's no awareness in deep sleep. In lucid dreaming, there is a heightened awareness, that's why it's so easy to know you're in the dream

[@musicchanellz3135]

I'm still confused. Why would infinite consciousness ever need to limit itself by localizing into a finite mind. seems kinda self sabotaging. ugh. helppppp lol

[@SuhVamp]

Because Conciusness doesent exist without perceptoin?

[@carlavela7106]

☺ 💖

[@PeterS123101]

How can I know, there is awareness in deep sleep, when I can't remember anything?

[@bildencarlia6924]

Watch the video some more times from 16:30 and on and you will find the answer to your question...

[@lovelife7902]

This deep sleep talk makes me confused because based on my experience its different... To me there's 4 states... The first is waking its the world outside, the second is the dream state the inner world, the deep sleep to me is what most people experience who don't dream, there's u go to bed and wake up with no memory of in between, then there's an expierence of infinity, where instead of the black behind your eyelids you see infinity..your a point of Awareness within a vast boundary less space, all u know is the formless infinity, I Am (Awareness) and Bliss.. That's the states of consciousness that I've expierenced 💙🙏

[@laxmishanker9515]

90p

[@gerardgrimardia3274]

5:00: = the gap between 2 thoughts or 2 dreams -which is called deep sleep-is not existent

[@glynemartin]

..what therefore lies in between two different thoughts or dreams???...

[@ivanbernard4198]

What if god lend us this awareness ?

[@Randomcooking]

All family have sleep probably even babies in my family

[@Park3D]

I love Rupert’s teaching but there is one thing I don’t get (apart from this deep sleep issue which is still a bit confusing). I realise that all experience of matter including the science within it, is only experienced from within awareness itself but the science within this awareness has, from what I understand, pretty good evidence that the universe, solar system, galaxies etc. has been around for billions of years before man came into being on this earth. Why would this world of matter create a story where man wasn’t in it for billions of years? And thus man wasn’t around to experience it/be aware of it. Could it be that we are so invested in the world of matter that we have created this story that proves that Matter comes before awareness? It is all very confusing.

[@the_absolute_light]

No one can say that there hasn’t been an intelligent species in the universe before us that was experiencing it. And before them, I think those billions of years passed instantly, the same way 8 hours seem to pass instantly when we’re in deep sleep. There was no experience of enduring those 8 hours, and there was no experience of enduring those billions of years. There is only the experience of Nowness that emerges within consciousness from beings that can process information.

[@Park3D]

@@the_absolute_light Mmm good point, do you think that pre-life/after death our individualness that we experience now was not and will not be existent?

[@the_absolute_light]

@@Park3D right, it’s only apparently existent in the boundary of concepts that they’re made of, which only arises out of a brain. The stream of concepts that create the illusion of a separate individual cannot exist outside of a mind.

[@Terrybear27]

I find Rupert and most non duality teachers don't have "a way with words", they don't seem to be very lucid talkers. Now I'm wondering if it's because of their pre=awakening introvertedness...

[@yehor_ivanov]

I think, they want to express themselves in a certain exact way, they know something and need to put it into form. as most artists, they need language for that. this is difficult to achieve at times.

[@8MJfan8]

Eckhart?

[@babbagum7721]

"If there is no thought you are not in the waking state" I have no thoughts in the waking state. So where am I :-)

[@nimim.markomikkila1673]

You are:-) I agree:-) There´s a flaw there - we are here;-)

[@lordwaynethegreat]

you are wrong. you do have a thought, this is the thought you are having: "I have no thoughts in the waking state. So where am I :-)"

[@babbagum7721]

Wayners .Pamposers Maybe. You are right and you are not right :-)I am talking now from within having thoughts about a state within the day when I do not have thoughts :-). I was not precise.

[@nimim.markomikkila1673]

Yes, there can be an experience of no thought, without the words "I have no thought". But when you want to tell about it, it turns into words, of course:)

[@lordwaynethegreat]

Babba Gum , if there are no thoughts, then you are not in a "state". it is thought that labels a certain experience as a "state", it is thought that calls it a state. without thought to label it as "state", then it just is. and so in a "waking state" without thoughts, then what is left, is what is. It's not the waking state.

[@differentstrokesfordiffere5440]

You have to experience Deep Sleep for you to say that it exist....just because you have not experienced Deep Sleep it does means it does not exist.....

[@dason5408]

Sorry Rupert but I'm not convinced

[@bildencarlia6924]

You have to compete against many years of ignorance...you need to try harder !

[@JamesBS]

Sounds like Jeff Foster 🤔

[@acuaman42]

THE "I" IS THE EGO OF THE PERSON, IN DEEP SLEEP THE EGO IS NO MORE BECAUSE IT IS NOT GENERATED BY THE BRAIN.

[@Deso958]

Just wondering, Why is it so important to analyze and find out, is this really necessary for humanity in some way, Just wondering

[@Sydebern]

Perhaps your life is going all right, but take a look at all the suffering in the world. Literally all suffering has its origin with the ego. Dissolving the ego will result in a joyful and peaceful life for everyone, not just yourself. And besides that, could there be anything more interesting than finding out who you are? Really finding out who you are, beneath the identity. The one who is wondering why it is necessary to find out is the false 'i', which has no real existence on its own. Who wants to live a lie, when you can live the truth in which there is no suffering, at all.

[@Deso958]

Agreed, hopeful we all can see the ego for what it is and help each other in this one big beautiful planet :)

[@SBCBears]

Sydebern So, you've never had your legs crushed in an earthquake and spent days in unrelenting pain. Or heard the dying cries of your child in the rubble. Or decided to jump from the World Trade Center from the fiftieth floor as your clothing burns and fell to your death while on fire. Ignorance is truly bliss, isn't it! Oh, to be young and blissful!

[@Sydebern]

Crow T. Robot In those examples, what good is the storifying mind? What good are constantly repeating thoughts like 'this shouldn't have happened to me', when it already happened? Or 'i am the body' when the body has been severely injured. Of course, no one would want those things you describe, but that is not my point, at all. Think of an animal that gets injured by a predator type animal. The injured animal has no story about its injury. It tried everything to prevent being injured, yet when it got injured it totally accepted it. When there is no identification with the body and/or thought, there can be an underlying peace, even when something happens to the body or the life situation. Ignorance is not truly bliss. To be able to say that is to be truly ignorant. True bliss can only be there when there is no ignorance (ignoring of the true nature) at all. You are very condescending, yet you have no idea what you're talking about. Find out who you truly are. That is the one thing that matters.

[@SBCBears]

Well, for one thing, the "storifying mind" constructed your response. As for direct experience, you need more. You are naive to the utmost.

[@akmalsalim7185]

What is the difference between Meditation and deep sleep?

[@bildencarlia6924]

Nice question-Deep sleep is pure consciousness while Meditation is an effort to build an enviroment of pure consciousness while not being in deep sleep state...

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[@greensleeves7165]

But the problem is precisely this: there IS no consciousness or awareness associated with the state called deep sleep. One can hardly say of a state for which no consciousness exists that it is "pure consciousness." Such a statement doesn't even make coherent sense. It's like calling the inability to see anything in a pitch black room "pure eyesight." I'd like to emphasize I do like Rupert's thinking and way of expressing himself on many things, but I don't think he's correct here. If some kind of ultimate self-demonstrating mystical state of consciousness without objects "exists" then that is not what we experience as deep sleep via the body.

[@cat_lover007]

Anyone saying ~ there is no consciousness during deep sleep (or at anytime) ~ simply doesn't get it.

[@greensleeves7165]

@@cat_lover007 I feel that I was pretty clear in what I stated above.

[@semihkoc]

So in your logic, meditators should not remember their meditation experience because there was no thougt involved in that experience.

[@TrinimacWanderer]

Memory is not in conflict with meditation experience because both are made by (and are) conciousness. Therefore if we are at the level of experiencing pure conciousness we of course can remember everything that we remember as separate self (in the realm of mind).

[@channasen]

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[@semihkoc]

His students are so timid, Rupert is just beating around the bush and they cant even raise their voices. Of course they experienced the disappearence of awareness in deep sleep, that's what they're talking about, that's what they're questioning, why do they keep saying "no!" It's the same case almost in every video about this matter. Are these real people or hired actors? :)

[@adamdownes4725]

Did they experience the disappearance of awareness or is it that we don’t have any memory of being aware in deep sleep? Absence of memory doesn’t mean absence of awareness!

[@einrad4ever]

it's so pointless to talk about what you can't talk about. Just the act of giving answers keeps it running. We wonder, the rest is not our business.

[@markusbieler5384]

Very clumsy answer to be honest. One of the topics that I find Rupert really struggled to answer well and the answer remained very unsatisfying overall. He plays with words and puts very clumsy comparisons out there. But taking it at face value, let us all be honest here: if it is pure awareness and the dissapearance of "I" in deep sleep and death is likened to deep sleep, then death will resemble annihilation.

[@RGV_9]

I understand your point but I don't think that's quite the case. First of all, you're assuming death is permanent and consciousness won't assume another vehicle, in which case the death process would simply resemble another waking up into another body. And second, although subtle there seems to be a difference between complete annihilation in other words "no I" and content-less pure self-aware existence, otherwise bliss or "I-I" as Ramana Maharshi put it.

[@rishen007]

what about blackouts when too damn drunk?

[@johnnywlittle]

RISHEN DEY lol, was thinking the same thing albeit a side thought. I think the same rules apply. Awareness is still awareness and is awaring.😉