Why Characters Got Selected: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS & Wii U - the relevant attractions

[@seanmyster6]

Mega Man had always felt like an adopted member of Nintendo's mascot family, so his inclusion in Smash was long overdue by the time of 3DS and Wii U.

[@DarkGamer364]

and the same goes for Simon Belmont when he got included in Ultimate

[@_cephas_]

10:05 they didn’t all have their own clown cars in that game, it was still only Jr who did

[@KahunaLagoona]

Tis True. But likely they were added in Smash largely due to how close they are to Junior.

[@maplesyrup6475]

The closest they had come to having their own at that point was when they shared Bowser's in NSMB2.

[@KohlRomero-m6i]

Mario and Luigi paper jam. Their were some mini games against the koopalings showcasing them in clowncars​@@maplesyrup6475

[@TheGameCreator13]

4:34 "Her attacks should also feel intergalactic" Man did the dev team take this literally

[@dg_777player5]

I wish they heavily changed Doctor Mario's moveset to make him feel like a fighter from the Doctor Mario series. I'd like a moveset based on doctor stuff, pills, puzzles and virus rather than just cloning Mario.

[@toumabyakuya]

Not enough time. Dr. Mario was developed at the tail end of the development cicle. It was either this or being cut.

[@dg_777player5]

@@toumabyakuya I knew that but I forgot. Anyways, he should've still had been changed either in Smash 4 or Ultimate.

[@TheRealKirbo]

They did in ultimate. And it’s not a clone. Just see his down air in ultimate

[@dg_777player5]

@@TheRealKirbo It still doesn't reflect what they could've done with a doctor theme. I think the character needs a complete redesign.

[@DoctorCyan]

Yeah but that’s a lot of effort on a character most players are not very fond of. I agree that he should’ve been more distinct from Mario, but not in a way that would drain so much time and resources. A few changed moves to reflect a more technical “puzzle” character, but really just tweaking his combo game through changing the numbers for his moves’ knockback and damage is just as effective as designing new animations

[@TheRedScizor]

I remember how insanely hyped I was for Shulk, good times

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

I was hyped for Bowser Jr and literally no other newcomer other than Greninja. I was more excited to see Roy, Lucas and Mewtwo return.

[@PeterGriffin11]

@@GatorOne-in7hk same.

[@MonadoBoyFlameRock]

yeah good times

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

Smash 4 may seem like more of a beta compared to Ultimate, but I really liked it at the time. Was THE college game for me. Was first shown off summer before I started college, and spent a while during college following the reveals for the base game and DLC. Lots of fun speculation with friends, and of course playing the game

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

I still prefer playing the Wii U game with my friend over Ultimate. Not only does the online connection seem more stable, I just prefer the Wii U games’ physics.

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

Plus, custom taunt messages!

[@Compucles]

Yeah, I really liked the custom moves and was disappointed that they didn't return for "Ultimate" save for the Mii Fighters.

[@fernandobanda5734]

People saying Smash 4 is a "beta" don't know anything about game development tbh.

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

@@fernandobanda5734 It’s not literally a beta, but that’s the language used to communicate when something feels like the early version of another. Particularly when the earlier version felt lacking or didn’t have anything that made it stand out in comparison. Ultimate was built off Smash 4, so the language makes sense, even if it’s not literally a beta.

[@KartvelArca]

Sakurai logic: Heihachi: hard to come up with a moveset Wii fit Trainer: easy to come up with a moveset

[@kantackistan]

A better way to say it is that it would be hard to implement his moveset. And it's true, you can see just how much hard work went into implementing Kazuya

[@andymcclurg9916]

Kazuya has the Devil form DLC privilege

[@SonicTheCutehog]

With Alph almost being a clone fighter in 3DS/Wii U, he should have just been made Olimar's Echo Fighter in Ultimate.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

@@juanmanuelestrada9597 He was going to be a separate character in Smash 4. Have you watched the video?

[@SonicTheCutehog]

@@juanmanuelestrada9597 Echoes are basically glorified alts anyways. Plus, Peach always had the Daisy-inspired alt prior to Ultimate.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

@@juanmanuelestrada9597 Isabelle isn't an Echo Fighter

[@SonicTheCutehog]

@@juanmanuelestrada9597 Doesn't change the fact that most Echo Fighters have little to no differences from the character they echo to justify them being a separate slot.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

@@juanmanuelestrada9597 Because they already did that with several characters.

[@Sjono]

I’m not calling SSB for Wii U SSB5. They’re both SSB4 in my eyes

[@aperson5215]

How about calling Ssb For wii u Ssb4.5

[@Keanine]

Sonic Generations on the 3DS is a completely different game to the home release, but it's still called Generations. Many games used to do that on different platforms. It's the same situation here, I agree they're both SSB4

[@phillipamorris422]

I allways considered it Ssbfor.

[@captainfalconmain6576]

@JBtrue

[@heroessquad2019]

@@phillipamorris422 Which is why we call it Smash 4. I think the 4 is basically a pun on "for".

[@mds_516]

People often think that Smash 4 roster was composed only of relevant picks, but I vividly remember the speculation time back then and lots of newcomers were actually highly requested at the time as well. Just to name a few, Villager, Megaman, Little Mac, Miis, Palutena, PacMan, Robin, Shulk and Bowser Jr were frequently discussed. Yeah we may have not gotten at the time other highly requested picks like Ridley, King K Rool or Geno, but people often forget that they wanted a character after they got it; the same happened with Ultinate as well.

[@mayor4797]

1:45 if you're gonna make a bold statement like this, 10:35 follow through with it

[@4xzx4]

I wonder why Paper Mario never was considered/planned at this point...

[@orangeslash1667]

Because without Fire Emblem, Paper Mario would never exist since their both made by Intelligent Systems.

[@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva]

7:01 - Or maybe a game developer with decades of experience at the highest level of the industry has a strong intuition about what designs appeal to target demographics

[@elkarlo1593]

This game has many of my favorite newcomers, almost but not yet rivaled by Ultimate Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina and Luma, PAC-MAN, the Mii Fighters, Robin, Bowser Jr., Duck Hunt, Cloud, Corrin Man, it was beautiful, and I hope by the end of Ultimate, it'll be just as good, god knows is very close alerady

[@BJGvideos]

So, did it meet those expectations?

[@elkarlo1593]

@@BJGvideos Yeah I think so, I love playing as pretty much 15 of the 19 newcomers, and the last 4 are fun to fool around with sometimes

[@Mario87456]

Fun fact Bowser Jr. BARELY made it in he could have been cut but the developing team worked hard and it payed off.

[@johnjekyllson28]

At the end, you should go through the whole roster and summarize their main reason(s) for inclusion. For example, “Mario - relevance. Lucina - relevance and ease of development. Shulk - popularity in Japan. R.O.B. - retro pick.”

[@chrisbeach423]

…..Or you can go back an watch the other videos they made on each game 😂

[@LauraLowe]

0:57 My favorite character, Ardy "Kg" Dei

[@chamtheman551]

15:36 Enter: _Kayuza joins Smash_

[@MrJoekun]

4:04 Wait Daisy had make her debut in Super Mario Land which is a mainline console Mario title. Then she's only continue her way in the spin-off games.

[@Akay4444444444444444]

Handheld Mario title doesn't could to some people

[@ApexAshan]

This was a very fun video to watch. Going over each new comer was a nostalgic blast

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Little Mac was the most hype for me personally, it was already crazy how Smash never had a playable Boxer in Smash.

[@fernandobanda5734]

And now there are three more characters with boxing gloves ;)

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

People were very salty about Megaman not being in Brawl, so ending off the Smash 4 debut trailer with him as the big reveal was a good choice. Same with Ridley for Ultimate

[@Tobunari]

Funny how Sakurai stated in an interview that he never once thought of bringing Mega Man to Brawl...

[@INFERNO95]

@@Tobunari Could be due to capcom and Nintendo not having a good relationship at the time.

[@Tobunari]

@@INFERNO95 I doubt that, what with all the Mega Man games on the GBA and DS. Remember, when Miyamoto suggested to Sakurai to put PacMan in Brawl, Sakurai thought he wouldn't work because he imagined PacMan as the Pizza shape form only. Mega Man likely didn't get in because Sakurai just didn't think of it, because if it was a relationship issue between companies then he would've said there were complications getting Mega Man to work in Brawl.

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

@@INFERNO95 There’s actually an interview with Inafune where he talks about how Capcom was never approached by Nintendo, but he liked the idea of Megaman being in.

[@kingpikmin13]

Alph is my favorite Nintendo character and my Smash main in both Wii U/3DS and Ultimate. I was initially _very_ upset to see that he was just an Olimar alt, to the point where I tried convincing myself that he was a clone with separately recorded battle stats and such (playing as Alph just adds progress to Olimar’s battle records) I’m glad Alph is at least treated individually from Olimar (fighter name calls, crowd chants, name display during fighter selection, matches, results and replay details), but I feel that Alph got unfairly cheated, even more so in Ultimate since he wasn’t upgraded to an Echo Fighter and Daisy exists as one despite not being any different from Peach at all

[@INFERNO95]

Who more popular daisy or alph?

[@ddegrucc]

I was about 10 when Smash 4 came out I grew up playing Brawl And Ultimate has been the game of my teenage years Smash 4 was kinda the middle child to me, but I remember getting that game day 1 with the Yoshi Amiibo, and playing it for hours It was really fun opening the website each week seeing if someone else got revealed Smash 4 brings back good memories

[@raphaelmarquez9650]

I still remember this game the beginning of the hate towards anime style characters in Smash when we got Palutena, Robin, Lucina, and Shulk revealed back-to-back instead of a cartoon style/non-human character.

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

I hated that as well, but at least the Robin/Lucina trailer also confirmed the return of Captain Falcon.

[@Tobunari]

It's easier to make more human characters than more cartoony ones, that's the thing.

[@TomTheyy]

Technically Pac-Man was after Palutena.

[@jmaster4941]

Honestly I don't care. These characters tend to be more fun to play personally. But that's just me.

[@Antonio-is2cn]

The "Too much Fire Emblem" "Anime Swordfighter" and "Who?" hate were caused by the fact that Smash Bros was becoming more anime style (the visuals) as the games continued especially with the addition of those characters in Sm4sh, not saying it's a bad thing though!

[@FelixFaction]

I'm a simple man. I see Megaman in the thumbnail, I press like

[@kramklop]

Love you guys and your content

[@darkdoctor1915]

Doc coming back made me happy

[@papaG6423]

THE SUPER FIGHTING ROBOT! MEGA MAN!

[@leeeroyjenkins555]

Pacman will always forever be, the hypest reveal of not just Smash, but my whole life.

[@vjoe5389]

1 more thing I believe Sakurai took into consideration when choosing new fighters, along with things like iconicness, relevance, uniqueness, fan demand, etc. was also gender. Notice how many brand new female fighters we got in this game compared to say...64 or Brawl? In 64, we got 1 female fighter in the inclusion of Samus (2 if you count Jigglypuff as female). In Melee, we got 4 new female fighters with the inclusions of Peach, Nana (part of the Ice Climbers duo), Zelda, and Sheik. In Brawl, just like in 64, we got 1 new female fighter in the inclusion of Zero Suit Samus (some people believe that the Ivysaur from Pokemon Trainer is possibly female, but it's mostly speculation). In Sm4sh, we got 12 new female fighters with the inclusion of Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina & Luma, Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, Mii Gunner, Palutena, Lucina, Robin, Wendy, Corrin, and Bayonetta. 4 of the fighters are strictly female while the remaining 8 are alts. I think the reason for why there are so many new female fighters in Sm4sh is due to some backlash that Sakurai got stating that he wasn't be diverse enough with the character selections when it comes down to gender. He got the same backlash again in Ultimate but instead of gender, it was the case of very few villains in the cast. Brawl seemed to focus heavily on unique characters because of backlash of too many clone characters in Melee, Sm4sh focused heavily on female characters due to backlash of a mostly male roster, and Ultimate seems to somewhat focus on villains due to backlash of too many hero's/good guys/protagonists. Just my 2 cents on this topic.

[@ditto6533]

It's also worth noting that Bowser Junior was a last minute addition according to Sakurai

[@Conductor1991]

@June That would probably explain why he's a secret character.

[@nothingrhymeswithorange5294]

I've been told Reggie was considered to be a fighter in Smash 4, and I really wish that was true

[@chrisbeach423]

Definitely was not true 😂

[@Tomfoolery-135]

I still wonder sometimes why wolf isn’t in super smash bros 3ds an Wii U

[@Skypatroller_BenCD]

01:45 it's technically Smash 4.5 cause yeah it's a separate game but they share similarities so it's Smash 4.5

[@captainfalconmain6576]

I agree

[@Kenopsys]

Is this 1:03 a remix of old Full Metal Alchemist opening?

[@Magic_Ice]

I am just imagining what would Xenoblade Chronicles look like if Shulk didn’t get into Smash 4 and if Chuggaaconroy never LPed it

[@PG-sy6dh]

I love SSBB and SSB4. Such god games. Plus they're the only Smash games I could play since I ain't got a switch. It's fine since I enjoy older games.

[@racechamp2280]

You forgot to include characters like Charizard and Zero Suit Samus in this video they were their own characters in this game instead of being variants

[@donaldthescotishtwin]

Mario Land which Daisy debuted in was a mainline title.

[@captainfalconmain6576]

That’s about it lol.

[@Pejelo]

Rosalina wasn't my choice at the very begining, but when I saw the trailer... I was done, my new permanent Main of Smash, she's my most favourite character so I was excited when she was officially announced.

[@marshtomp8]

Oh boy, can't wait to hear how Agumon was considered and then rejected not once but twice now...

[@hanino6453]

Great video!

[@nesswednesday2976]

I always thought Duck Hunt was added because Smash for 3DS/Wii U was released because the game was 30 years old at the time

[@InfiniteJexulus]

Mega Man being announced was so surreal. He wasn’t my Mega Man of choice, but nonetheless he is still THE Mega Man.

[@IkeReviews]

Miyamoto wanted pac man in smash

[@raymondtromp7769]

i wanted to smash run to come back in super smash bros ultimate

[@moneyseeker8886]

Same

[@Compucles]

Eh, it was OK, but it wasn't that great a mode. I was much more disappointed that Event Matches and Custom Moves didn't return for "Ultimate," and they weren't even added later like Custom Stages and Home Run Contest were. It was especially puzzling that they cut Event Matches, which had previously been close to a series staple from "Melee" to "Brawl" to "Wii U."

[@TomTheyy]

@@Compucles they were kinda replaced by Spirit Battles.

[@Compucles]

@@juanmanuelestrada9597 True.

[@alphie1765]

This is my favorite series.

[@alexpotts6520]

This video is the first time I have ever heard anyone use the phrase "Dark Pit fans"

[@roosterboots4684]

There are dozens of us

[@taiphonix9232]

Us Dark Pit fans exist.

[@azurewarrior2000]

People who never played Uprising seem to think there aren't any, but we do exist.

[@azurewarrior2000]

People who never played Uprising seem to think there aren't any, but we do exist.

[@TheRealKirbo]

Indeed their is. We’re just not as loud as the other fandoms. Yes

[@SuperLegendOf364]

I mean, i just refer to the games collectively as Smash 4 for convince sake.

[@supermakermatic2111]

But they're not one game.

[@fukawadesu]

smash 4 lucina also has less range, p.s. she was my main throught the entire game and I really know her insainly well. she changed a lot in ssbu, becoming overall faster, having bigger range, but less kill power than in smash 4, not a very big issue, since all of those changes where welcomed exept for her kill power being reduced. An other issue I have with her in SSBU is just over all usage of dancing blade being worst. dancing blade started from very usefull for tech chases. to just being a reason to say that lucina does have true comboes, which is very disapointing, its like bowser's jab and his over all appearance in ssbu, bowser is not a combo character, how to we make him have combo, just make his jab a true combo. this isn't to say that lucina is not able to combo, but mainly to explain way more all of the diffrences she has with ssb4 marth. her ssb4 apearence was litterally marth's moveset without the tipper hitbox but kill power added to the parts without marth tipper. she does have some tipper in some places like upsmash needing you to hit tipper in order to kill, because if you hit the windbox its kinda suck. all of that led ssb4 lucina to be worst than marth, often under rated or over rated cuz she was so rarely played at high level. and me being one of her only representation she ever had in that game.

[@Super-Visor420]

Where is the rest of this series???

[@andrescube64]

The Villager was the reason I bought Smash 4

[@roseheart270]

With all these "not going to tell you right now" messages, feels like Wikipedia with ads.

[@TheCanineContrarian]

Good review! I had a good laugh at the part where he called Smash 4 for 3DS the fourth Smash game while calling Smash 4 for the Wii U the fifth game that unexpected irony was hilarious! It made me think of the people that called Gaunlet Legends on the GameCube Gaunlet Legends 1, the one on Dreamcast Gaunlet Legends 2, and PC Gaunlet Legends 3 even though they were the same dang game! Each one had a minor difference in how some characters and one enemy but believed that one game was literally a trilogy. It's like saying Skyrim Definitive edition (with the updates on enemies & weapons) is Skyrim 2 lol!

[@captainfalconmain6576]

I agree they just different versions of the same game.

[@TheCanineContrarian]

@@captainfalconmain6576 Yeah. I thought of a even better one using this guy's logic Diablo 3 for PC. Diablo 3 on Xbox 360 is Diablo 4 (again because of the minor differences using his logic) and Diablo 5 for the PS3 version. He doesn't care cuz they're in fact separate game sequels lol!

[@captainfalconmain6576]

@@TheCanineContrarian yeah 🤔

[@rowanprogamer9023]

Shulk: I’m really feeling it. Super Smash Bros.™️ for Nintendo 3DS/ Wii U (Xenoblade Chronicles 1 Related/Voice Clip).

[@dainobu10]

Great episode, thanks for the hardwork guys!

[@kaplisisdx8651]

Nice video! Melee amd Brawl's newcomers were mostly secondary characters from already represented IPs, but in the 2010s, after all the experimenration nintendo did during the GC and Wii eras, they went through a Reboot era of sorts, bringing back many franchises... As a result, smash 4 has a lot of retro and unique characters like little mac, duck hunt, pacman, megaman,... They used more original IPs, also with more experimental characters like villager, wii fit trainer, miis,... Even if people hated the wiiu/3ds era, i still enjoyed thanks to all the stuff nintendo tried to bring back, and the fact that they openly talked about the mechanics and new of their titles, making the wait for games like smash fell like big events

[@rowanprogamer9023]

I feel like that Mega Man & Pac-Man they’re the biggest popular 3rd Party Characters In the Main Base-game Roster to get In Super Smash Bros.™️ 4 (SSB4: For Nintendo 3DS/ Wii U) But I remember the Reveal Trailer both of them were great I like how introduced with this 2 Guest 3rd Party Fighters In Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS & Wii U.

[@KartvelArca]

I’ve been waiting for this for my entire life...

[@SuperDavidBrothers]

Seriously dude why not go over Ryu, Cloud, Corrin, and Bayonetta now instead of later? Now we have to wait longer for those videos.

[@captainfalconmain6576]

Ikr

[@SuperDavidBrothers]

@@captainfalconmain6576 yeah man it's such a dang shame.

[@captainfalconmain6576]

@@SuperDavidBrothers yep 👍

[@GeoshiTheRed]

Whoa there, I'm not a Daisy fanboy, and nor is she my top favorite of the characters and I'm NOT like "you know who", but did you seriously just say that Daisy wasn't a mainstream character despite the fact Nintendo has listed Super Mario Land and Super Mario Run as mainstream games not only on the official Mario sites in both the US and the Japanese site but HAS Daisy in them? Don't believe me? www.nintendo.co.jp/character/mario/archives/ mario.nintendo.com/history/ This also goes for Wario in Super Mario Land 2, even if they are the least used.

[@Antonio-is2cn]

According to Nintendo they don't consider Daisy "unique nor special"

[@GeoshiTheRed]

@@Antonio-is2cn Who said? Fans of the internet?

[@Melmuli]

In the competitive scene literally everyone called the Wii U version Smash 4 and not Smash 5

[@captainfalconmain6576]

Yea

[@laxus_5402]

When is the next part coming?

[@captainfalconmain6576]

Ikr like 5 characters shouldn’t take this long to talk about .

[@StarmisYTP]

We’re now almost gonna cover Ultimate DLC.

[@Horatio786]

If I made ðe roster up to ðis point: Cut From ðe Real Sm4sh: Rosalina (Toad and Bowser Jr. were higher priority fighters to me), Sheik (One-Off from a Large Series Ðat Has Better Choices), Zero Suit Samus (Ridley was a higher priority), Palutena (I'm not Sakurai and I didn't make Kid Icarus Uprising), Ike (Fire Emblem wasn't big enough for two characters in Brawl, ðough my Forbidden Seven has eiðer Ike or Lyn), Robin (Moved to DLC), Jigglypuff (Mewtwo was a higher priority), Shulk (moved to DLC), ðe Echo Fighters (I didn't have echoes until Ultimate) Characters Only in Mine: Toad (Toad is a higher priority fighter ðan Rosalina), Kamek (Yoshi is big enough for two characters, and ðe Baby Bros. wouldn't work for ðe same reason as Ice Climbers or Chorus Kids), Mona (Wario is big enough for two characters), Dixie Kong (Dixie is one of ðe two biggest Nintendo characters not in Smash), King K. Rool (Donkey Kong is a huge franchise and deserves its villain), Ridley (Adding ðe main villain is more important ðan adding ðe protagonist for a second time), Tom Nook (Animal Crossing is more ðan big enough for two characters), Mewtwo (Mewtwo is a higher priority fighter ðan Jigglypuff) My DLC: Robin (While not necessarily big enough for multiple characters when ðe roster was chosen, Awakening made Fire Emblem big enough by ðe time ðe Sm4sh came out, so it gets ðe first DLC slot), Blaziken (Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire had just come out), Ganon (Ganon was ðe biggest Nintendo icon not in my roster at ðis point), Ryu (Street Fighter is one of ðe highest-grossing media franchises of all time), Cloud (Final Fantasy is one of ðe highest-grossing media franchises of all time), Shulk (Xenoblade had two releases in 2015), Bayonetta (Bayonetta allegedly won ðe ballot among realizable characters)

[@Horatio786]

@Cezary G Ƿy ʃould I?

[@TomTheyy]

If 3DS limitations that kept Ice Climbers from returning also kept Chorus Kids from happening, then why does the emblem data mentioning Rhythm Heaven in the code already have the Ice Climbers removed?

[@TomTheyy]

@@juanmanuelestrada9597 my point is that if the Ice Climbers' emblem was absent in the data because they were already scrapped from 3DS limitations at that point, wouldn't the Rhythm Heaven emblem also be absent if there was also just no way of getting the character to work on 3DS? It's not like other similar newcomers of Duck Hunt and Rosalina & Luma were 3DS-unfriendly. Plus Sakurai previously had complications with multiple characters when he couldn't make a Diddy/Dixie tag-team work, so maybe he would have been wary of making another character that one-upped the Ice Climbers fighter concept by instead being a 3 in 1 fighter.

[@TomTheyy]

@Cezary G Huh?

[@thehuman2cs715]

Thorne

[@Bluedino152]

I still miss that alpha didn't get a slot with rock pikmin

[@YoshWilbur]

Been waiting for this

[@INFERNO95]

Unlike Daisy and Waluigi she dayview in a mainline mario console game. I'm sure by now everyone knows super mario land is a mainline mario game. Ever if it did appear on the gameboy it still a mainline mario game. Even Nintendo considered it apart of the mainline mario series which means daisy is a mainline mario character. Get it right.

[@Tobunari]

Which was why he specified "Console" and technically speaking it's not really a mainline game. I mean, the team behind it weren't happy with doing it in the first place (because they didn't want to do a "discount Super Mario Bros." and when tasked with the sequel they "rebelled" by making Wario: a caricature of Mario, then they ultimately made Wario the hero of Mario Land 3 and the series went on from there.

[@KahunaLagoona]

I'd like to add that after Mario Land, Daisy never really appeared in the Mario series since, so she was not much of a mainstay. She made her grand re-rebut in Mario Tennis alongside Birdo and the then new Waluigi, although I personally think that a great deal of that was due to Mario Tennis' developer Camelot either getting ideas from Nintendo or permission to bring back Daisy and Birdo. Before Mario Tennis there were a number of human characters Camelot tried to create and fit into the Mario cast (Plum and Maple matched the "Sweet theme" Peach had, and Charlie/Harry/Sonny were English names akin to Mario/Luigi) that didn't work out so when Mario Tennis rolled around they got to add Daisy in (who behaved similar to Plum and worked as a sort of palate swap to Peach) and Birdo (working off of Yoshi's model) while Waluigi was the next best step in creating a "Wario" for Luigi and a "Luigi" for Wario. That being said it seems like to Sakurai, Peach and Daisy are one in the same: Daisy finally being a character in her own right as opposed to the series long Peach Palate Swap is more due to Daisy having a different look and persona to Peach, but not too much of an tangible identity on her own to give her a unique moveset.

[@biza8161]

@@KahunaLagoona Daisy recently appeared in Super Mario Run which is considered as a main game

[@KahunaLagoona]

@@biza8161 If you consider it one.

[@INFERNO95]

@@Tobunari Mario land is still a mainline game who cares what system it was made on. Stop trying to out smart the truth and the let the truth have it day. Cut the bullshit.

[@jacksonbrickmedia939]

The koopalings are so fun to play as

[@fernandobanda5734]

Are the DLC characters getting a separate video?

[@SonicTheCutehog]

He says it in the video

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

“Smash for 3DS is Smash 4, and Smash for Wii U is Smash 5, Nintendo and Sakurai have clarified this,” THANK YOU!!!! Seriously, I am SO sick of people referring to both games as Smash 4 when they are two separate games released on different dates on two different consoles that just happen to share a lot of content!!

[@azurecerulean1279]

well they're not really two seperate games

[@Compucles]

They were specifically designed to share a lot of content. While they are technically different games, they're still the same concerning most forms of analysis. Aside from the graphics, pretty much everything that's not the same is just exclusive to one of the titles and so can just be referenced by the one title to which it's exclusive, anyway. Otherwise, and due to the generic titles, I prefer to refer to them collectively as "Smash 4" or the pun "Smash 4 3DS/Wii U." You can still refer to "Ultimate" as "Smash 6" if you want, though.

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

@@Compucles Personally, I think they should be referred to as “Smash FOR”.

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

If you have to call them anything else.

[@GatorOne-in7hk]

From my experience, when people talk about “Smash 4”, they’re talking about just the Wii U game and pretend the 3DS one doesn’t exist.

[@GigaMan91]

My favorite newcomer roster in the series bar none.

[@darkdoctor1915]

Not mine, but hey if you like them, that’s great Tho cloud was the best reveal in smash history to me

[@9Tensai9]

One suggestion. Don't do the "we will discuss this in future video" this many times. Either do it at the beggining and list all the characters you will not discuss and why or be clear on what you are discussing so we as a viewer can guess which ones you are leaving out. Teasing "future episodes" it's really annoying and makes you feel like you are watching "nothing" since you are teasing it so much. I hope it's just an honest mistake and not you baiting subs.

[@captainfalconmain6576]

5 monthes later where is smash 4 dlc characters why they got selcted.

[@TheSpaceking12]

Shulk made me ludicrously almost childishly excited at reveal lol

[@Cyanmartinez]

When Villager was revealed: Me: I guess I have a new punching bag

[@ikennasmash1030]

Mii Swordfighter my favorite newcomer of all time

[@ssbfan33]

Still waiting for cut Smash 4 characters.

[@captainfalconmain6576]

Same

[@SsjkidsSaveCosmo08]

When's the next episode

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

Palutena is so beautiful

[@mycoolvsgame]

3:11 you skipped Megaman.

[@captainfalconmain6576]

No he didn’t 15:01.

[@indibindi2083]

3:58 WHAT ABOUT WALUIGI!!!!!!!!!

[@TheRevolutionaryCafe]

It's time.

[@krewl1252]

i heard that sakurai also said he almost dropped pac man if namco made him use the new look instead of his ole 3d look can you confirm this?

[@Conductor1991]

Yes it's true. Just search for Pac-Man almost got cut in Smash Wii U.

[@allybear6356]

I played smash four

[@9Tensai9]

REIMU FOR SMASH!!

[@geoffreymillennium-maximus4140]

Yo to me they the same game bro. They both share the name ssb4

[@robynwolph3836]

Well then, YOU'RE AN IDIOT because they are NOT the same game. Sakurai has stated that they are different enough to be separate entries.

[@KahunaLagoona]

Well they're not... They're technically "Super Smash Bros for 3DS" and "Super Smash Brothers for Wii U" - I think maybe they should've gone for a different subtitle each to highlight what game was what, but the titles they chose were more of a "Consumer Friendly" move. Most people ignore the 3DS game anyway, but regardless Smash for Wii U is Smash 5 and Smash Ultimate is Smash 6.

[@ramadansteve1743]

@@robynwolph3836 stfu

[@Josiahbruh]

Smash 4 is the 3ds and Wii U. Don’t let developers fool you into buying the same game twice

[@h.mutawa866]

I think there are just too many (in the next episode, in an upcoming episode)...

[@SueZQue83]

Remember when Villager was the Axe Murderer? 🤣

[@hardcoresonicfan4769]

Am excited

[@toobadwaluigitime6402]

I know this sounds harsh but I honestly wish the 3ds version didn't exist, it made the wii u version not reach it's full potential

[@ruth4831]

smash 4 is three games, you know it deep down

[@TomTheyy]

Man, Dark Pit fans were considered way more than Shadow's fans lol. Incidentally, while Ultimate would introduce an alternative Final Smash based on costume choice for Cloud, it's not too wildly different between his two. So hypothetically, that wouldn't fix the issue of Dark Pit welding the 3 Sacred Treasures had they introduced it a game earlier.

[@DevNode27]

0:56 ARDY KG DEI

[@petej7002]

What does he mean about mii fighters and online bullying?

[@Akay4444444444444444]

I dunno, using their faces to make something mean or crude?

[@TheRealKirbo]

Wtf the editor at arlo is here

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

Kirby is my favorite Super Smash Brothers character!

[@melhanlol]

"one who pucks*