Why China and Vietnam Have Fallen Out

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China and Vietnam, despite being Vietnam War allies, have a strained history due to territorial disputes. Despite improved relations in the 90s and early 2000s, it seems the two countries have fallen out again.
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0:00 Intro
0:58 1975 - 1990
4:33 1990 - 2013
5:38 2013 - Now
8:42 Sponsor

[@angiki9988]

As they say in Vietnam: They fought America for ten years, France for 100, but China for 1000.

[@A.A1891]

Vietnam need Islam, Quran and sharia law to save their country from evil atheism.

[@atilla4372]

I'd still reckon America and France had taken more Vietnamese lives in their 100 years than china had in their 1000.

[@atilla4372]

​@@A.A1891 Nobody needs Islam

[@Elkulan]

@@A.A1891Bruh

[@KaloyanKasabov]

​@@A.A1891you okay?

[@madcatj]

Vietnamese here. In our history textbook, China throughout its many dynasties has always been a threat to our sovereignty. We may have a brief conflict with the US (20 years) but the threat from China has lasted for 2000+ years.

[@user-dl8ox4lt3k]

Same here! From korea😂 ancient korean history was all about struggling against China. Though we were colonized by Japan for 35 years, normal Korean people couldnt care less. Only some political trolls (who supports Korean Democratic Party) are still against Japan.

[@user-dl8ox4lt3k]

I really hope Korea, Japan and all the ASEAN countries including Vietnam should get together well😊

[@ColoniaMurder20]

not only vietnamese also Austronesian and Austroasiatic people. Southern China were originally populated by Austronesian and Austroasiatic people during pre han chinese.. indigenous language in Fujin are similar to tagalog language here in the PH.

[@silveriver9]

How are you enjoying the new Hanoi subway built by China? If China was a threat, then VN would've starved to death centuries ago. Maybe China should cut all trade with VN today, so you can watch VN economy collapse overnight. Never bite the hand the feeds you. Found another US worshipping viet. Du ma.

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

that is ignoring the fact that china actually did conquer and tried to assimilate us for almost 1000 years in total

[@JimCullen]

It feels like a pretty important oversight to say that Vietnam invaded Cambodia in 1979 without mentioning that it was that invasion which resulted in the ousting of one of the worst genocidal regimes the world has ever seen, the Khmer Rouge.

[@novicepilotaviator5868]

Ditto. In 1979, Deng Xiaoping - (The then Premier Leader of the Sick Man of Asia - China) was best friends with the murderous, genocidal and racist Khmer Rouge leader- Pol Pot. Deng Xiaoping invaded Vietnam after being embarrassed when Vietnam forced his best friend, Pol Pot, to flee to the Thai-Cambodian border. Vietnam had little choice but to eject Pol Pot's genocidal henchman from Vietnam following the murders and beheadings of many innocent Vietnamese Villagers inside Vietnamese villages of South Vietnam by Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge.

[@haroeneissa790]

Yeah exactly. Pol Pot could have killed 80% of the Cambodian population if he was in power for 10 extra years.

[@didierduplantier8359]

Don’t forget that over 200k ethnic Chinese were also murdered by Pol Pot, yet China started a war to try to keep him in power. Oversea Chinese should take a hard look at that lesson and stop support such a cold blooded regime

[@williamkarbala5718]

I love how even during the Vietnam War the Domino theory was proving to be bullshit.

[@toyotaprius79]

Let's not forget what Kissinger had done in Cambodia from '69-'73

[@vintagestuffguy1998]

Can’t really say “Vietnam invaded Cambodia” without recognising the fact that vietnam invaded to topple the genocidal regime of pol pot (who had been supported by China and even by the U.S.). Vietnam is rarely given enough credit in bringing down what really was one of the bloodiest dictatorships of the 20th century.

[@novicepilotaviator5868]

Ditto. In 1979, Deng Xiaoping - (The then Premier Leader of the Sick Man of Asia - China) was best friends with the murderous, genocidal and racist Khmer Rouge leader- Pol Pot. Deng Xiaoping invaded Vietnam after being embarrassed when Vietnam forced his best friend, Pol Pot, to flee to the Thai-Cambodian border. Vietnam had little choice but to eject Pol Pot's genocidal henchman from Vietnam following the murders and beheadings of many innocent Vietnamese Villagers inside Vietnamese villages of South Vietnam by Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge.

[@williamkarbala5718]

The U.S. supported Pol Pot?

[@oliverbui2662]

And they Invaded because Cambodia was killing Vietnamese ethnic minorities on the border.

[@minhtuan7986]

@@williamkarbala5718 the us backed up pol pot regime and accused Vietnam for invading Cambodia so did china

[@UGOISCOOLNOW]

@@minhtuan7986that don’t make sense since Cambodia was a communist country which america despised the most also they were close allies with the soviets I think you could be talking about the American press

[@IronWolf123]

Vietnam and China haven't been buddies for centuries, especially during the Empire of China eras. Hell, there was a series of conflicts called the Eras of Northern Domination.

[@A.A1891]

Atheists are evil and uncivilized. No wonder these 2 atheist countries always fight each others.

[@Elkulan]

@@A.A1891 Buddy should we look at the amount of wars before and after atheism became a more common thing

[@palamecianrider7385]

So basically they are the uppity neighbors everyone now hates

[@novicepilotaviator5868]

The whole of the Middle Kingdom - China, as well as most of Asia (all of Central Asia, Persia and Arabia), were raped by Genghis Khan and his Mongolian hordes. On the other hand, Vietnam, under King Tran Nhan Tong and other Tran Kings of the Tran Dynasty, repelled the Mongol invaders not once or twice but three times. Vietnam, Israel and Japan were the only Asian countries that could defend themselves against the rape of Genghis Khan and his hordes. Japan was lucky as it had the advantage of being an island nation with a sea barrier. Israel benefited from the long distance as the Mongols had run out of energy and momentum on their arrival there.

[@Rogerever]

Yeah TLDR clearly has zero knowledge at all about Vietnamese or Chinese history and geopolitics. They think China and Vietnam were friends before this, what a dogshit video

[@jotarokujo9164]

As an Uzbek myself, we can relate. China conquered Central Asia several times, especially when during the Tang and Qing dynasties. We could have spoken Chinese had it not for the Arab conquest. But now the Arabs are weak, whereas China is still living near our doorstep. Each year people from Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan complain that China is making expansionist grabs in their countries. You can see why we do sympathise with anyone bordering China, Vietnam included.

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

at this point, all countries within a 100km radius of china need therapy for emotional damage

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Didn't know central Asians were quite fond of the Arabs

[@danwelterweight4137]

First of all after all the central Asian Turkic Muslim conquers like Timorlane who slaughtered tens of millions of people you have a lot of nerve to complain about Chinese expansionist grabs. Second of all, You are falling onto the Western propaganda bandwagon. Where is the PLA anywhere invading those countries? You think going to your countries in central Asia, investing, and trading with you plus building you brand new infrastructure that will benefit you is expansionist grabs? Furthermore the rulers of the Tang dynasty were central Asian Turkic people. They went to Central Asia because thst is where their ancestors came from. You sound like the Mongolians who conquered China and took over China and now hate China because they became absorbed into China. 😂 If Western Imperialist nations like the UK, France, and US practiced expansionist grabs like the Chinese do by building infrastructure, trading and investing around the world instead of invading and murdering millions of people the world would be a much better place. Who else removed 800 million people out of poverty, pushed 500 million into the middle class. Turned tiny little fishing and farming villages into mega metropolises with state of the art infrastructure? Who else turned a $180 Billion GDP economy in 1980 into a $19.3 Trillion GDP economy by 2023 without a single war? Is that the Expansionist grab you are referring to?

[@jotarokujo9164]

@@user-op8fg3ny3j Back when the Arabs were genuine. Nowadays they are tribal and divided.

[@alexrator7674]

bruh when did the PRC ever grab land from Central Asia

[@xieangpengseth]

laotians here, maybe Vietnam not a topic I'm interested in but since chinese media have biased against Vietnam so, I'd like to express my opinion from a laotian perspective on China and Vietnam base on my limited english My country once a war torn hellplace, being bombed by US, we finally ended the war but afterward Cambodia want annex our country as the territory, massacre large amount Laotians civilians along the border until Vietnam intervention, Laotians escape threat from Khmer robber since then. But again while Vietnam focus on Cambodia issue, Thailand wage the invasion of Laotians village. We was scare of Thailand because we was really weak at that time, but again, Vietnam help us resit Thais occupiers and Thais get kicked out from Laotians territory. Vietnam was the only nations help us remain our territory from invaders both directly and indirectly. Well I have Chinese friends so I often talk with them regularly but when come to politics with China relationship, they naturaly bring Vietnam in the table. The most things I hear to them is with Vietnam ungrateful to them this and that and accused Laos is "Vietnam puppet".... yeah, that surprise me a lot, the Chinese when i looking through, have a very not-comradely views when talk to Vietnam, frankly speaking, i feel like Vietnam is the only ASEAN nation hated by Chinese the most, and I thought Indonesia should be on this list they always blamed vietnam is ungratedful bla bla, calling Vietnamese on every other nick name as "agent organe ppl", "monkey", "white-eyes wolf" etc, claiming sino-vietnamese war as a chinese counterattack war, chinese was justified vietnam wasn't, i don't stand any side of this but i feel both vietnam views and western views are pretty natural but when is come to chinese, they seem smearing vietnam than give properly opinions and yeah, they want Laotians together with China hate Vietnam too

[@novicepilotaviator5868]

Rock on, Laotian brother/sister.👍

[@doodahgurlie]

I'm Vietnamese, but was born and lived in Laos when I was young. My SIL is born in Vietnam and grew up there. She came over to the US when she married my brother. They took a trip back to visit my family in Laos and Vietnam. She said in Laos, she noticed the Chinese seem to own everything there...and mentioned how they have a club or whatever where only Chinese can go in. So Laotians have sold their country to the Chinese and now cannot enter a building in their own land!

[@nongprayuth485]

Nice one sided history u got there buddy 😂 Do a research on why Thais militarily paid a visit to your villages first.

[@origreena]

​@@nongprayuth485bro, no political reason in existence can justify killing civilians.

[@NamNguyen-cr1ru]

In the hearts of Vietnamese people, there are three countries that are always good brothers. Laos, Cuba, Soviet Union.

[@polipop1113]

Both US and China fought with Vietnam and lost US: we will invest and grow the relationship China: let's draw useless line on the map and piss off Vietnam and others

[@jont2576]

im pretty sure China contributed to Vietnams growth 1000 times more than USA ever did,not sure what US did besides leave vietnam for the dead and the vietcong after they gave up on the vietnam war lol.....that is after killing almost 2 million of u, and hundreds of thousands more victims from agent orange and napalm. has US compensated vietnam yet for all the agent orange victims?

[@piggyback1445]

China achieved its strategic goal when fighting with Vietnam. It occupied industrial cities in the north, burnt or destroyed factories, and set Vietnam back for decades before retreating.

[@MrSnazzleBox]

​@@piggyback1445lmao no? The Chinese barely made it a fee kilometres across the border before retreating. the fuck are you smoking?

[@Silver_Prussian]

US: we will pretend to be the good guys untill the moment to strike comes and make a puppet.

[@someguy8842]

​@@piggyback1445kinda misses the point of this guy's comment both sides fought and lost now the usa a potential ally while China has a new foe that they might have to fight again which will end up costing China more then they achieved in there last war

[@elijahlestrange8472]

Vietnamese here, I believe that China's aggression on the Southeast Sea plays a key role in this situation. Ever since the end of the Vietnam War, China stabbed behind Vietnam in 1979 by claiming that Vietnam invaded Cambodia and mistreatment of Chinese minorities (the same shit that Putin used to justify his war). However, unlike Putin, Deng Xiaoping realized that there was no point in continuing this war so he retreated immediately after claiming the operation was completed but that gave Vietnam a warning that China could never be trusted even after 1,000 years. Though they did contribute a lot to Vietnam's economy, they also often play tricks on Vietnamese merchants to destabilize Vietnam such as the story of "buying buffalo's nails" in which some Chinese merchants were willing to pay a shit load of money to buy these nails, resulting in Vietnamese farmers killing their buffalos to get these nails. But when the day came, the Chinese merchants disappeared and left the Vietnamese nothing due to the loss of their only asset-buffalo. Finally, China's imperialism is on par or even beyond Russia's one which they keep claiming all the neighbor's territories belong to them( funnily enough, the newest map of China even included territories of Russia which the Kremlin had not dared to say anything).

[@A.A1891]

Vietnam need Islam, Quran and sharia law to fix their country

[@Legion617]

If there was ever a just invasion of a nation to depose its government, it was the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia to eradicate the Khmer Rouge. They were downright evil.

[@MissionControlTet]

@@A.A1891 I'm rightwinger against commies, but I'd take communism in any day over your pedo superstition

[@hakunamatata1880]

"Mistreatment of X minority" such a basic, uncreative way to sell wars. I have no idea how it keeps on working.

[@dinte215]

I mean Vietnam did invade Cambodia and Laos to some extent

[@KingsleyFitzpatrick]

It's a joke you claim Vietnam territory than are surprised they cozy up to America

[@thethaovatoquoc312]

Vietnamese Commie regime has been Commie China's puppet since 1944 when Chinese puppet Ho Chi Minh brought the Commie Chinese flag (red flag with central yellow star) from Fujian Province, China and made it the flag of North Vietnamese Commie and later the flag of the whole country, replacing the authentic one (yellow with 3 horizontal red stripes) of 2000 years since the Trung Sisters from year 40 A.D. and Than Thai King of Vietnam. Commie Ho Chi Minh's deadly land-reform was also modeled after Commie Mao's deadly land-reform, which modeled after Commie Lenin's deadly land-reform 1920's. Other than the gap 1979-1989 when Vietnamese Commies followed Soviet in response to Soviet-Sino split, Vietnamese Commie regime has been a loyal lapdog of Chinese Commie regime for decades since 1944. In Spratly Island Massacre 1988 (see KZbin video of the same name), Commie Vietnam's Defense Minister Le Duc Anh ordered Vietnamese sailors to stand unarmed in shallow water to be live target for Commie Chinese Navy's live gunship so that Commie China could take over the islands easily. He was then promoted by Commie China to be Commie Vietnam's president 4 years later in 1992. All anti-China protests in Vietnam have been swiftly crushed by Commie Vietnamese minions. Even during the Covid pandemic, Vietnamese Commies had to ask their masters for permission (not granted) to close its northern border. All true. Do your research!

[@ActuallyJamesS]

Imagine being the 3rd or 4th largest nation and being obsessed with grabbing more area.

[@DOSFS]

Wait, I saw that pattern before.... hmm

[@A.A1891]

This is the result of atheism. This country have become evil and uncivilized because they have no God to worship.

[@Sol_Invictus_]

@@A.A1891 the ottoman empire did the same back in the day

[@ephraimboateng5239]

But that's like every super power/empire's main goal. Get/control more land, either directly or indirectly. See France in Africa, USA in... well pretty much everywhere and China in the south china sea

[@DOSFS]

​@@ephraimboateng5239 Indirectly control through economic and diplimatic means are one thing, try to claim it is yours and try to annex to by military force is other thing entirely especially in escolation ladder.

[@MasticinaAkicta]

Ah China, China is that "Friend" that really nobody trusts. But they are powerful and influential enough to have to deal with.

[@gosnooky]

China's like that older friend that bought cigarettes and beer for you, but then insisted on hanging out and ends up monopolizing everything and ruining everyone's buzz.

[@KellyBurnett138]

And it isn’t the CITIZENS that annoy the world either….

[@PrograError]

@@KellyBurnett138 some are better than others but the pinks and 50c are the annoyance... keep claiming West Taiwan number 1

[@careyfreeman5056]

Impressive or impressively stupid? Vietnam was ours. All we had to do was say yes to independence and Ho would have built it on the American model. Typically stupid and short-sighted thinking on our part.

[@A.A1891]

They are atheists. So I'm not surprised they cannot be trusted.

[@deathdrone6988]

China cant back down out of fear of domestic outrage, nor can it force it's claims out of fear of international outrage. It's a tricky situation.

[@michaelrenper796]

Xi jinping designed this dilemma himself. He has been pushing the nationalistic sentiment for 10 years

[@user-rk7gu6tf3t]

Lol, the Chinese government were the ones who set themselves up, no one made them do all the naughty stuff they are doing. Now they can't backtrack.

[@ericl4053]

It's a tricky situation which China (Xi) has created for itself.

[@ChinchillaBONK]

Frankly speaking , the normal Chinese folk couldn't care less about expanding borders. It's their political and military brass that is bullying all of us in the South China Sea region.

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

​@@ericl4053xi/xer.

[@explosivereactionstv7414]

This implies that the Chinese-Vietnamese relationship was ever good to begin with

[@quangnhat5345]

we did have some good relationship with china in 1950s~1960s when the Chinese of Mao Zedong actually support the Communist party in Vietnam. But when 1970s with the war ended and the problem in Cambodia showed that China will backstab Vietnam for their own gain. Everything is gone. Trust and every relationship ties with them is gone. Now we see them as a trade partner that the only reason we haven't cut their throat is because they are living next door. But Vietnamese are well know about how bad this mofo are

[@icebaby6714]

To China, Vietnam is a small fly, its land mass is smaller than China's Yunnan province across the border and population size is about 1/14 of that in China. Vietnam is an agriculture country, 70% of the population live in rural areas.

[@khangaroo8166]

@@icebaby6714 then why did china keep invading in the past? why does it want the "south china sea" that belongs to vietnam and the other southeast asian countries? 😲

[@icebaby6714]

@@khangaroo8166 You must know a bit of history. The Chinese dominated Vietnam from 111 BC to 938 AD. For 1000 years, Vietnam was ruled by a succession of Chinese dynasties. The Vietnamese were first ruled by the Han Dynasty, which wanted to assimilate Vietnam into Han sovereignty. Vietnamese used to live in southern China together with hundreds of other Yue tribes. After China's first emperor unified all 6 kingdoms in northern China he conquered southern China 2000 years ago...many of the Vietnamese, Thais, Malay and other tribe people fled to the southwest to Southeast Asia. Women of those Yue tribes that didn't flee married Han soldiers and created Southern Han Chinese. As for South China Sea. China was one of the 4 victors of WW2 in the Far East ...after the war the US government gave a fleet of warships as a gift to Chinese navy under Republic of China (ROC, fled to Taiwan after losing Chinese Civil War to the communists in 1949) and authorized China claim back all the islands in the SCS that were occupied by Japanese troops during the war. A Chinese general went to the US to accept the fleet and then sailed all the way across Pacific Ocean via Panama Canal to the South China Sea to take back all the islands. It was the ROC government that drew 11 dash line in the SCS and submitted the map to the UN. At that time, Vietnam was a French colony. the Philippines was under the US rule. Malaya, Borneo and Brunei were British colonies and Indonesia was a Dutch colony. None of the countries and their colonial masters made any noise when the ROC claimed the entire SCS until 30-40 years later. After the communists won the Civil War and established People's Republic of China (PRC) in 1949, it inherited the 11 dash line map from the ROC. In the 1970s China managed to settle the dispute near Tonkin Bay with Vietnam and reduced 11 dash line to 9 dash line, however the ROC government in Taiwan doesn't accept that and continues claiming 11 dash line until today. It is funny that the US that authorized China to claim all the islands in the SCS after the war now turns around and side with Vietnam and the Philippines against China.

[@d.b.2215]

​@@icebaby6714oh yeah, so why does China do so many things just to antagonise this "small fly"?

[@BlankPageEmperor1334]

Perpetually annoyed that people the world over often treat Vietnam's occupation of Cambodia as a normal political one. Definitely uhhhh not a normal situation, the Khmer Rouge. 😢

[@aaronTGP_3756]

​@@imsickofyou-pb2xtThe Vietnamese were definitely bad, but the Rouge was far worse, and extreme: far beyond Mao's Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution.

[@thuankhong]

@@aaronTGP_3756 The Khmer Rouge attacked the border, killing 4,000 Vietnamese people. Although Vietnam called, China and the United Nations remained silent and did not intervene, destroying the Khmer Rouge was inevitable..

[@ScentlessSun]

Vietnam is an incredible country. I hope to visit someday. I hope people in Vietnam know that around 70% of the people of America did not want the war our two countries fought.

[@Alexia95266]

Welcome to Vietnam 🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳😍😍😍

[@nganvo840]

Yankee

[@thanghoang4482]

South Vietnamese people thanks to Americans gave them 25 years living in the freedom world.

[@enriqueperezarce5485]

I mean of course they would know that, literally how they won the war, with the US public supporting it

[@thuankhong]

We knew right from the war that we should criticize the government and the military. That's why today we don't hate "Americans". 3 million Vietnamese people died tragically and cannot easily be forgotten.

[@ramijackson3978]

Fallen out? The two countries have never liked each other.

[@Rogerever]

This video is EXTREMELY poorly researched. Multiple times they claimed China and Vietnam had good relations in the 90s, when in reality it was the exact OPPOSITE. Makes me wonder how many of TLDR's videos are this poorly researched and contain straight up lies.

[@jamesthomashtunkyaw5682]

My ancestral Myanmar also fought China for many years. The Chinese launched first invasions under the Yuan dynasty. The last war was in 1760s when we defeated the Chinese invaders. Today, most Burmese do not trust China and understand that China will exploit Myanmar for its gains, even if this means backing the terrorists in power. We have to admit, China is the neighbour we don't choose. Sadly, we can't escape it.

[@weeslayer]

Yuan dynasty were Mongols, they ruled China for one hundred years...

[@taytay4698]

@@weeslayerso…? CCP claims all its past conquered lands as their sovereignty. If we give them an inch, they will take it for a mile.

[@A.A1891]

You Burmese are crying because of military coup. You deserved it

[@A.A1891]

Military coup in your country is punishment from Allah because your country is Islamophobic

[@quissbird-10]

truth

[@EvdogMusic]

1:17 "From 1990 until about 2013 when relations began to improve, and [2013-now] when relations have once again started deteriorating" No coincidence that Xi became president in 2013. Wolf Warrior diplomacy only results in lone wolves...

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

i am stealing that last quote

[@admiralkaede]

XI lives in the past like putin before putin and XI russia and china were healing and becoming better but putin wants the russian empire back and XI wants the old dynasties of old back they live in the past and act like people from the past

[@pritapp788]

There has never been any friendship. Vietnam has always been very wary of China's plots (and rightly so). (It's little wonder that during Covid China's neighbours that didn't trust China's information were the ones that handled the pandemic best, while Western countries which trusted China's reassurances fared the worst. Japan, Korea and Vietnam knew there was no faith to be had).

[@quangnhat5345]

When Vietnam Government see China held a communist party meeting in middle of Luna New year 2020, one of the most important holiday in Asia Culture. We know there is some shit is going on and give no faith to their lies about COVID is not transmissible. Luckily our history taught us enough that when a bunch of corrupt and lying sacks of shit held a meeting instead of enjoying their lavish wealth during holiday, shit is about to go down.

[@user-dd2bl8rx4b]

China helped Vietnam expel the French and Americans, but Vietnam massacred the Chinese. Why do the Vietnamese always think that they are messengers of justice? When China and the Soviet Union were at odds, Vietnam chose the Soviet Union. The Vietcong Le Duan massacred and expelled the Chinese and robbed the Chinese of their property. Starting in 1975, more than 1.5 million Chinese were deported, reaching a peak in 1979 and continuing until the early 1990s. According to subsequent estimates by the United Nations Refugee Agency, Vietnam plundered the property of overseas Chinese refugees to the tune of US$3 billion. From 1975 to 1984, the Vietnamese government expelled more than 1.5 million Chinese. Vietnamese troops massacre Chinese border villagers Pingmeng Village Massacre: In 1976, the 246th Regiment of the Vietnamese Army invaded Pingmeng Village in Guangxi, China, shot and killed Chinese villagers and laid landmines in China. On the morning of September 29, 1978, the 246th Regiment of the 346th Division of the Vietnamese Army once again invaded Pingmeng Village in Guangxi, China, and killed more than a dozen Chinese villagers with mortars and machine guns. The bloodshed in Tinghao Mountain: On November 1, 1978, the Vietnamese army invaded the Tinghaoshan area of Jingxi County, Guangxi, China. The Vietnamese army killed 12 Chinese villagers and captured eight people, six of whom were killed by the Vietnamese. Vietnam's massacre of Chinese and Chinese border villagers worsened relations with Beijing. In 1978, Vietnam invaded Cambodia. Beijing was worried about being surrounded by Soviet forces and decided to punish Vietnam. The Chinese army destroyed the industrial zone in northern Vietnam and then withdrew its troops to weaken Vietnam's military purpose.

[@user-jg4rn3kt1d]

Why should we blame China for our poor epidemic prevention? Moreover, the virus did not start in China. The pneumonia virus was already spreading in the West as early as 2019. However, Westerners did not discover it. We Chinese only realized the existence of this virus first. . So far, there is no definite answer about the origin of the virus. I hope you can know

[@user-jg4rn3kt1d]

We East Asians do better because we follow the rules and don’t party outside every day, while Westerners don’t care about the virus at all. This is the reason. I still remember in 2020, Trump said it was just a small cold. Is this what the Chinese told Trump?

[@theimmortalemperor3605]

​@@user-jg4rn3kt1dsure wumao

[@danghoangluong2942]

1960-70s: Vietnam and China are same team 1970-1990s: US and China are same team 2020s-: VIetnam and US are same team

[@richardhighsmith]

2020s Vietnam, USA, Australia, Japan, Philippines, UK, Norway, Poland, Mexico, Thailand, France, Singapore, South Korea, Greece.... Maybe someday India ..... etc... are the same team.

[@johnnyissuper6955]

@@richardhighsmith And China, North Korea, Pakistan, Nepal, Cambodia, Russia and Iran are on the same team

[@richardhighsmith]

@@johnnyissuper6955 It's like the Government Corruption Index Hit Parade! With friends like these, I'd wear an armor plate on my back.

[@johnnyissuper6955]

@@richardhighsmith💀nah dw about it. Anti-Americanism is hella strong of a glue. 😁

[@Sinyao]

The difference between China and the USA is that if China wins, they will destroy your people and culture and replace it with their own. If the USA wins they lend you money to rebuild your stuff and want to trade.

[@jesseberg3271]

You cannot have a serious discussion about China Vietnam relations without talking about Imperial China's centuries of colonial activities in the region. The American war was comparatively short relative to China's attempts to take and hold the territory that is now Vietnam.

[@Emilechen]

from Khmer and Champa point of view, both Thais and Viets are Sinitic invaders coming from the north,

[@icebaby6714]

China had ruled Vietnam for 1000 years until it got independent, after that many dynasties in Vietnam were also founded by Chinese people in Vietnam.

[@jesseberg3271]

@@icebaby6714 as I said, colonialism.

[@sqpilot63074]

@@jesseberg3271 Can't fix stupid.

[@hypermiraclepositivegirl2415]

​@@icebaby6714I'm not too familiar with East Asian History but is the old "China" people talk about was something similar to the Ottoman Empire? Where multiple countries were jsu conquered?

[@oliverbui2662]

Vietnam and China were never friends. China occupied Vietnam for hundreds of years. So what do you mean by fallen out? Vietnam only has economic ties to China because they have to due to location.

[@dengist8172]

“Fallen out” is not the word. Bros literally have been at war for 2000 years

[@onewingedangel9189]

Bruh they fell out the second the Vietnam War ended. They were never friends, they just had a shared enemy for a decade.

[@xDvsking666x]

Having Vietnam as an ally would be cool, I hope we do invest in them.

[@Miamcoline]

Very cool plug!

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[@PaulGuy]

Imagine the reactions when China tells Vietnam that them being friends with the US is "Cold War mentality".

[@novicepilotaviator5868]

The irony. lol

[@only_fair23]

It's definitely cold war mentality but that's for good reason

[@bvusjxlee3941]

But the US has always been a Cold War mentality, if there is no enemy, set up an enemy, otherwise what is the meaning of NATO's existence?

[@madgavin7568]

@@bvusjxlee3941 Dude NATO was trending to be an irrelevant organization that would only require the election of a certain few leaders in its most important member states agreeing to dissolve the alliance until Putin decided to invade Ukraine. Putin single-handily made NATO relevant again, thereby ensuring it will continue to exist in perpetuity.

[@hellothere4858]

There is also an additional strain that is kinda hidden. China has been investing more into Laos and Cambodia, both of Vietnam kinda considers lesser partners the same way China used to view Vietnam. So the same relationship dynamic that exist between China, Vietnam and US also exist with China , Laos/Cambodia and Vietnam

[@GIN.356.A]

Used to? Vietnam is still a junior partner😂😂😂

[@nguyentuan6088]

Vì vậy mới khiến Loà và Campuchia vỡ nợ khi theo Trung Quốc

[@enriqueperezarce5485]

@@GIN.356.AApparently not now that they chose a camp already

[@GIN.356.A]

@@enriqueperezarce5485 VN is trying to do to China, what China did to the Soviet Union. But it's a flawed strategy because: 1. Vietnam has nowhere near the economic leverage to do what China did. 2. Vietnam is still a communist 1 party state. Regardless of who wins between China and the US, they are gonna get fucked. If China wins, Vietnam is neighbor of the most powerful nation on Earth, and China won't forget VN backstabbing. If the US wins, VCP will have lost its greatest supporter and regime change and chaos will ensue. As a minor power, VN has a tendency to overestimate itself, which tends to explain why despite "victories", Vietnam's history has been constantly getting fucked by greater powers. Not to mention Cambodia and Laos are in China's camp.

[@thuankhong]

Ancient tactics, first with Champa, now with Laos and Cambodia

[@nguyentandat2001]

Although the French and Americans did bad things towards Vietnam in previous centuries, in general we Vietnamese do not hate them. This is true, if you are an American or French traveling to Vietnam, Vietnamese people will be very warm and welcoming to you, sometimes even very enthusiastic and admiring your country. I don't know the specific reason why we can be friendly with the US and France even though they previously caused suffering to my country, the educational program and textbooks taught in Vietnam are also often talks about these two former enemies of Vietnam in a rather harsh tone. Vietnamese people easily forgive others but don't tell us to forget what happened in the past, we just close it and put it aside (Many Chinese netizens often say, "Have we Vietnamese forgotten the pain caused by America?" every time Vietnam and the US have improved diplomatic relations, it's ridiculous). On the contrary, China is often hated simply because of its superiority. Many times I use Chinese social networks and feel uncomfortable when they often have posts that distort and slander Vietnam is ungrateful, Vietnam is evil, inciting the Chinese to hate Vietnam. I thought to myself, do Chinese people ever look back at themselves and wonder how ungrateful they are? Vietnam has never betrayed any ally in the last century, including China. Vietnam has not attacked China, but China betrayed Vietnam, during the period when the Soviet Union gathered forces to criticize China. At the forum of Socialist countries, only Vietnam stood up to defend China, but now China never says this. Selling out allies, selling out friends and still wanting to be friends with other countries?! Who would believe it!!

[@berryjason2796]

1: At that time, Vietnam defeated the world's top two powers, France and the United States, and boasted of being the "third military power" at that time, with the help of the Soviet Union behind it, creating frequent bloodshed on its borders, and massacring Chinese expatriates at home. 2: The Vietnam War had just ended not long ago, the Sino-Soviet relationship broke down at the same time, but the relationship between China and the United States is good, and Vietnam's biggest enemy country is the United States, so Vietnam mistakenly thought that China had turned its back on them, and their own enemy country is good, and ultimately, Vietnam and the Soviet Union alliance, retaliation against China 3: Vietnam dared to invade China, they wanted to show the world how the "third military power" could defeat China.

[@haodeplorable266]

Can’t you remember how many nations the USA had betrayed 😂

[@Hanhan_the_Dolphin]

​@@berryjason2796越南声称自己是世界第三军事强国的证据在哪里？中文网站上的宣传不算哦。越南是个小国，刚刚完成统一，南边又要和红色高棉战斗，就算有苏联的结盟，按照正常人的思维它怎么可能敢在这个时候主动挑衅入侵一个大国？还制造边境流血事件，参考日军炸毁铁路栽赃中国以便于找借口发动战争，当年中国人伪装成越军溜到对面朝这边打几枪开几炮都有可能。

[@Hanhan_the_Dolphin]

As a Chinese, I can confirm that the Chinese on the Internet are the most nationalistic and racist group in the world. They (or we?) always calling other nations insulting names and inciting hatred against them. Comments like "Japan should be nuked again" and "Southeast Asians are monkeys" are common on Chinese websites. We almost reviled the whole world, as if all other countries in the world are evil and only we ourselves are saints. But this is on the Internet, in reality most Chinese people in China are kind. I know many Vietnamese and Japanese study in China and they all say that Chinese people are warmhearted and they are not encountered discrimination or hatred.

[@thuankhong]

Because they had to pay the price for that invasion

[@eddapultstab2078]

The Vietnam War is actually a tragic story context considering. They were under the control of france, and they even pleaded in ww2 for their autonomy. They were also missed out in the decolonization efforts in the sixties. If france was willing to let go of Vietnam before violence broke out, a lot of pain and suffering, they absolutely hated the chinese and the soviets but worked with them because they gave free weapons and equipment and as soon as they won independence they closed the doors on them because their leadership was actually, and surprisingly, pro democracy.

[@IvanNguyen-ky6nn]

the only good thing about Vietnam war is that America understands Vietnam more and they treat Vietnam with respect. Also, other countries including China will think twice before attacking Vietnam because it's going to be a very long and brutal war.

[@novicepilotaviator5868]

Trouble-making and colonial-minded France 🇫🇷; the root and source of the conflict.

[@didierduplantier8359]

At the end of ww2, Hochiminh sent several missives to Washington asking Truman to support Vietnam’s independence from France’s colonial rules. Even their Declaration of Independence begins just like ours, since Ho was a big fan of America. Unfortunately, Truman wanted France to stay in NATO, so he ignored Ho’s pleads. History would have been so different if one man had the foresight to do the right thing.

[@PrograError]

@@didierduplantier8359 geopolitics is just a shit slinging club, just that you are negotiating to be thrown less shit and hope your friend don't turn on you. trust no one, doubt every thing, double face everyone

[@A.A1891]

Vietnamese Buddhist and atheists dying is not tragic bro. They will go to hell for not believing in Islam.

[@hoanglinhle4468]

- Vietnamese here, and a short answer for you: + China and Vietnam Have NOT Fallen Out. + We have a new business partnership with US doesn't mean we are going to help US nuke China. You don't shoot your old friend just because you got a new once. . - For your information: Vietnam already signed the Strategic Partnership with China way back in 2008, US in 2023. + I also think you should question your source of information. Especially that poll.

[@joshuawilson8804]

I still find it amazing how Vietnam and the US don't have animosity towards each other. I know some US Vietnam Veterans travel back to visit Vietnam after the war. There were some of the most brutal combat and horror stories that came out of that conflict. I know not everyone individually will have that opinion, but geopolitically I am surprised neither held a grudge. Also I know China did invade Vietnam (after the Americans) hoping to make Vietnam into another puppet regime or to be under their influence. While Vietnam needed to deal with a Genocidal Cambodia that spilled over the border.

[@tuanld91]

It's because in general we all got what we wanted. Vietnamese want independence and we got it. The U.S want a Soviet's collapse and they ultimately got it. For specific soldiers who were in the wars though, like my grandfather who fought the French and was imprisoned and tortured in Hoả Lò (Hà Nội), he doesn't hesitate to show his animosity.

[@battleriteroyalevietnam8447]

Because those who suffering from american is either dead or cant continue the bloodline. Those who still living now is mainly those people that never face war in life and learn about america by a book.

[@thuankhong]

In the last 2000 years of history, Vietnam had to fight with 1/3 of the world (China, Mongolia, France, America, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Cambodia, Philippines, Malaysia, Korea,...). In the end we all win! What's the point of hating the defeated when they all paid the price in Vietnam???

[@littlestar5053]

In Vietnam we have a saying: fight the one who runs away but don't fight people running back. The meaning is to show forgiveness to the person who has made a mistake. We cherish peace, hate hatred.😊

[@davidnour6963]

Consistently excellent content. Kudos 👏

[@stivenstivens]

Thanks for the history lesson

[@samwuzerehihi]

There is also tension where china is building dam upstream of mekong river which will cause massive problem to farmer and people who depend on the river.

[@AniKayode]

If it is Vietnam’s position, it’s probably the right one. They and Cuba consistently have the best, almost beyond reproach, foreign policy.

[@user-xv9ps1jp6p]

There are differences between Cambodia and North Korea

[@danpower-JP]

Amazing news!

[@SwissSareth]

Worth noting: China's "controversial territorial claims" have in fact been ruled illegal - at least inasfar as their maritime claims are concerned - by a 2016 international arbitral committee.

[@rcbrascan]

FYI ... the 2016 decision is not recognized internationally because China did not participate, it violated international laws and it was influenced by the US because all the judges at the tribunal were paid by the US.

[@Rogerever]

Not sure how to tell you this smoothbrain, but the UN and international arbitration are BEYOND meaningless. Not a single country follows them. Israel, Russia, China, France, and the US break international law and arbitration CONSTANTLY. There are no repercussions, and there never will be.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

Current international law is so silly, it doesn't hold much weight and authority.

[@janus3555]

China: "DoTtEd ReD lInE oN aRbItRaRy MaP!!!!@!@!@!@@!@"

[@bvusjxlee3941]

It was just a drama carefully arranged by the US to show you, and a farce was taken seriously

[@papabear90]

China and Vietnam literally met today and signed loads of deals

[@huwenkai440]

Remember why Vietnam is such a huge prize China wants to have, and many ancient empires noticed: its geography. Very much like how Korea and Poland being strategic. Vietnam's position is very OP. Lie inside the Eurasian tectonic plate's heart, it's completely free of earthquake that has caused so much tragedies in Turkey, Syria and Morocco recently, hence Vietnam never has an earthquake for thousands of years. The mountains of the west cover much of Vietnam and provided a natural barrier, yet it is also perfect to move troops from east to west. Moreover, it has many warm ports, and were shielded from deadly storms thanked to the Philippines serving as its shield. Moreover, its military ports could be used to dispatch and control all the chokepoints in Southeast Asia, something no Filipino, Malaysian or Thai ports could afford. The Americans used to fortify the whole South Vietnamese ports because of its perfect positions for its naval campaigns in Vietnam War. The Mongols had amassed over 1-3 million troops for the Vietnam campaigns because the Mongols knew that conquering Vietnam could result in the complete subjugation of Southeast Asia and South Asia. When Japan invaded Southeast Asia in 1940, the Japanese chose Vietnam first because conquering Vietnam could result in collapse of Southeast Asia and opening Japan's opportunities to attack South Asia, Pacific islands and Australia, New Zealand. Even in the further past, Chinese rulers also noticed the importance of it, but unfortunately, due to Southeast Asia being weak at the time and the world knowledge was still limited, its potential was not weaponised. China is now aware and will do everything to achieve it. Of course, China isn't Russia. But can Vietnam navigate that relationship is a matter to debate.

[@A.A1891]

Vietnam need Islam, Quran and sharia law to fix their country.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@@A.A1891 Islam is the scourge of humanity that needs to be wiped off. Humanity needs Christianity, not the religion of a pedophile warlord.

[@superieur11407]

Lol I love how you called the Phillipines a typhoon shield. Its been ages since I saw this joke again.

[@Claudius8]

​@@A.A1891bro..... Do you need some help? Get a therapist or something..

[@akeiai]

​@@A.A1891no. Stop spamming, I've seen this spam a lot in the comments section. What Vietnam needs is their own religion, own culture,and their own laws. Not some colonialist religion that brought war to an entire region.

[@adivshtein2054]

China is on speedrunning isolation with that warrior wolf strategy ngl

[@Emilechen]

SCO and BRICS: lol,

[@G.A.C_Preserve]

@@Emilechen keep dreaming

[@Emilechen]

@@G.A.C_Preserve kzbin.info/www/bejne/onTJnXeDeLWHp5Ysi=0f8cBjUIphyAUVFN so many regional powers around.the World apply to join China-led BRICS, and you call it an isolation lol,

[@admiralkaede]

brics is a ECONOMIC agreement why do people MISTAKE an ECONOMIC agreement for a MILITARY agreement russia and the west have been enemies for a LONG time and china and the US are not on good terms but we are still VERY economically tied to one another @@Emilechen

[@alexaa928]

0:00: 🌍 China and Vietnam have had a tumultuous relationship, with periods of improvement and deterioration. 3:49: 🌏 China and Vietnam had tense relations in the 1970s and 1980s due to border disputes, sovereignty claims, and conflicts over the South China Sea islands. 6:54: 🌊 Vietnam's growing tensions with China and increasing alliance with the US, driven by territorial disputes and trade interests. Recap by Tammy AI

[@thuankhong]

Tại sao từ 1955 đến 1974 không có "tranh chấp biên giới" ? mà chỉ khi VN có quan hệ gắn bó hơn với Liên xô thì đủ thứ "mâu thuẫn" phát sinh ?

[@aidenmiles0307]

That book recommendation was dead-ass cold af. lmao

[@quendi9381]

Can’t really say “Vietnam invaded Cambodia”, Pol Pot was a cruel regime that massacred Cambodians and Vietnamese people on the Vietnam-Cambodia border. Have you seen the scene where they tore a newborn baby apart? 🥵

[@howardmaryon]

9-dash line is now 10-dash line, and china has even claimed part of Vietnam.

[@carlosfernando6866]

😂 is like they’re trying to make allies with the countries they’re pissing off at the same time

[@admiralkaede]

yea i can confirm taking land or sea from another country does NOT make them like u i do not think china understands that they have made so much of asia RESENT THEM over that 9 or 10 or 100 dash line idk whatever they expand it to the ignore international law as well

[@bvusjxlee3941]

These lines exist in their predecessor ROC, they have 11 paragraphs, which are legally inherited according to international law, and in 1948 the ROC's sovereignty over the islands in the South China Sea was announced to international organizations, but in fact, before that, ROC had set up boundary markers in the South China Sea, so it was unfair to blindly condemn them, and the boundaries should be demarcated more rationally.

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

@@bvusjxlee3941We can give it to Taiwan.

[@tuanpikachu]

@@bvusjxlee3941 Yeah also, Taiwan and China are one, so your CCCP gov pls give the mainland to ROC Taiwan, agree? Lol, think by yourself. It's all about CCCP, not about your explanation.

[@randomvideos69681]

As long as greedy and selfish people exist, Peace is just a dream.

[@WelshLefty26490]

Exactly Comrade 100%

[@novicepilotaviator5868]

World Peace begins on our plates - three times a day.

[@A.A1891]

Cringe communist. You guys need Islam, Quran and sharia law to fix your country.

[@F0rG0dSake]

As a Vietnamese i should shout out for the community: Stop claiming our island and we good to go again, also apologize for 1979 massacre.

[@AlGhulkazim]

They should apologize for Chinese dynasties rules in Vietnam especially Sui dynasty

[@Hanhan_the_Dolphin]

I can't speak for other Chinese people, but I want to apologize for the massacre of innocent civilians in 1979. What we did to Vietnam that time was no different from what Imperial Japan did when they invaded us. I will never tolerate war crimes like the slaughter of women and children. (Maybe other Chinese will accuse me because in our government's propaganda, the PLA did this because all Vietnamese were soldiers and PLA were being attacked by militia disguised as civilians. Although we send civilians to war too when the Japanese invaded us. If we want Japan to apologize, I think we should apologize to Vietnam first.)

[@olivermahon5618]

I feel like saying its best sumerised in 3 periods starting in 1975 is underestimating how they have a history of a thousand years of on and off wars

[@gh8447]

😂😂😂 That segue to the sponsor ad!

[@Dragonite_Tom]

this up and down relationship has been like this for like millennia and yet, hatred and tension still lingering on. edit: 1:39 typos

[@melvinvalerius5834]

The USA made 1 Invasion into Vietnam China made roughly 28 This diplomatic tension is really not as mindblowing as one might think

[@truefoodsociety312]

China invaded Vietnam as soon as the US left. Vietnam NEVER letting their guard down.

[@mitchnn]

Who say that "1 Invasion into Vietnam" was an invasion? The VCP government version? There are millions of Vietnamese around the world and the bottom half of Vietnam now will disagree with that.

[@G.A.C_Preserve]

@@mitchnn it's not just one invasion, the Chinese has been that way since ancient no matter the ideology

[@groupraitodigital9784]

It's way more than 28 if you count all the bloody war Chinese had with Viet tribes.

[@tuanld91]

​@@mitchnn sorry how many of you guys in Cali again? Do they even speak Vietnamese nowadays?

[@Meme-Republic]

Philippines: Finally, my friend. Come and join us!

[@taigagaming3462]

The sponsor transition is smooth af

[@jake101jake]

I love Vietnamese from Philippines I remember Vietnam refugee they’re so kind and patient even our difference language barrier

[@MMMmyshawarma]

You guys know tag and english, so good on yall! wordly!

[@vimalprince4467]

9 dash line is old news. Now it's called 10 dash line.

[@yarielrobles9003]

Can you really fall out if you've never fallen in?

[@Rogerever]

TLDR is so unknowledgeable and bad at research they actually thought China and Vietnam were friends in the 2000s.

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

Yes, it's call making an enemy out of someone who wasn't one.

[@emilhuseynov6121]

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t Mao’s quote about “close as between lips and teeth” addressed towards Sino-North Korean relationship?

[@cuuradio6355]

Hello, I'm Vietnamese and living in Vietnam for my whole life. There's nothing such being friend with one country and loosing the tie with another. The foreign affair strategy is that we want to maintain good relationaship with both America and China, as with all other countries. We do not lean towards anyone or take side. We value peace makers, dignity, respect and maintain neutrality for the sake of our people.

[@Daivd1111]

The fact that America literally fought wars with a lot of countries then become their allies is very impressive!!!

[@kineticstar]

That's just good diplomatic and trade practices on the US's part.

[@ATownDown32]

America doesn't hold grudges.

[@kevinjohn5412]

Yesterdays foes are todays friends.

[@rabbidcrazy787]

​@@ATownDown32If only Ireland was like that, too. Many Irish celebrated Elizabeth II's death.

[@rabbidcrazy787]

​@@kevinjohn5412 Not always. Israel & Palestine still hate each other. Ireland & the UK still dislike each other.

[@CARL_093]

vietnam slaughter a lot of PLA on sino-vietnamise war vietnam is not a easy opponent especially this past years some of the manufacturing moved out of china had gone either india or vietnam for the manufacturing factories new locations

[@talkingtree8166]

Furthermore, the Vietnamese troop on the Chinese border were reserved troop.

[@silveriver9]

Factories are moving back to China. VN would've starved to death if China didnt support VN in the war effort against the US. Never bite the hand that feeds you. China slaughtered many VN soldiers because of VN's illegal occupation of Kampuchea. Always tell the full story kiddo.

[@A.A1891]

Vietnam need Islam, Quran and sharia law fix their country.

[@comment8767]

Just like Pakistan has been "fixed". ha ha @@A.A1891

[@dann5480]

Yes, the new hub of sweatshop workers is Vietnam. We all know it makes you proud.

[@RatTerminator]

Good!!😊

[@nickyliu8762]

The road to the top sure is a lonely one

[@mahatmarandy5977]

As a Gen-X American, it does seem a little counterintuitive that we’d be chummy with Vietnam, but when you think about it we’ve fought wars with Germany, Britain, Mexico, Spain, Japan, etc, and made friends with all of them afterwards. Honestly it’s just good sense. Bad feeling’s don’t help anyone whereas closer economic and political ties stand to help everyone. So, yeah, makes sense.

[@Sinyao]

Vietnam has always had a positive view on America, despite the war. It also helped that after the war the USA gave millions in reparations and for aid in disposing of mines and leftover chemical weapons (although a large sum ended up embezzled).

[@tranhanhung]

🤝🤝🤝

[@G.A.C_Preserve]

They were just like tourist they come there, see the jungle, having PTSD or something then go back home Unless china which has been doing that since ancient times

[@DmMoiMienNamke.mandimoiroNgu]

@@Sinyao “millions” 🤣 didnt vietnam have pay off 145m for the traitrous, puppet south vietnam government (like taiwan)?

[@thethaovatoquoc312]

The difference is Commie regimes want to enslave and exploit 95% of its population to serve 5% of Commie Party members, the dictators of the Proletariat. Being cozy to the West means these totalitarian Commie leeches lose power and loots over their victims. That's why true democratization and Westernization of these Commie states will never happen as long as these utterly corrupt and brutal Commie rulers are till in power. As with any dictatorship, essentially their greed for money and power simply won't let any change in the status quo happen. There is a reason Vietnamese Commie terrorists along with fellow Commie China and Commie North Korea rank at the bottom of freedom of speech and freedom of the press global indices.

[@wariyoshidirector]

"Vietnam, I thought you and China were allies in the Vietnam War?" "Which one?"

[@groupraitodigital9784]

the 115th

[@guydreamr]

There are no permanent friends or enemies, only interests. - Henry Kissinger

[@concernedcitizens4110]

It’s really funny that China hated the US despite the fact it was the US that helps them economically during the rapprochement period in 1972 which culminated with Nixon’s visit to China. Had Nixon not doing this rapprochement I am pretty sure the Sino-Soviet split would have ended with China being the most isolated country in the World as in the early 70s most of the World were closely aligned and even allied to the USSR or the US. Perhaps in this timeline Mao would’ve been removed by Soviet aligned Chinese communists and maybe in this timeline the Cold War might still exist until today as the Soviet Union might be turning into a bigger union of Afro Eurasian communist countries.

[@muic4880]

You should push it back further in history, US is the one country that never had ambition for Chinese territories throughout their engagement with China since 1850s.

[@bvusjxlee3941]

This is just a deal to contain the former Soviet Union, why would you think that someone else will give you military technology for no reason? And the reason why the US has no interest in Chinese territory is purely because of nuclear bombs and a very thorough war lost in the 50s

[@arthas640]

The US was the main reason the PRC got the ROC's seat on the UN security council and was responsible for much of China's economic growth of the last 50 years. Look at the first 30 years or so of Soviet investment in the CCP/PRC: they started out as starving guerrillas and ended up a starving country barely able to feed themselves and nearly zero industrial capability and an economy only 5% larger than Canada's. The first 30 years of American investment and China became the 6th largest economy rough;y 5x the size of Russia's at the time. 30 years of Soviet scientific cooperation and China was behind both the USSR and miles behind even the poorer parts of the west, 30 years of technological transfers from the US and China was one of the more advanced countries in the world.

[@user-ox8tw9vz8o]

Why China hate US, i think it's US hate China before.

[@nguyenvanphucvodich]

You can't say Vietnam invaded Cambodia in 1979. Hope you search more informations about this campaign. Thankyou.

[@SilvanaDil]

Imagine. 21st Century. You want to take and keep your neighbors' land and/or territorial waters. This makes your neighbors angry. What a concept!

[@bvusjxlee3941]

These are all problems left over from history, which can be solved rationally and peacefully, and it is very one-sided and unfair to blame all the problems on one country

[@bvusjxlee3941]

Incidentally, all territorial disputes in Asia are more or less related to the scourge of the colonial period of the Westerners

[@SilvanaDil]

@@bvusjxlee3941 - The common denominator is China.

[@SilvanaDil]

@@bvusjxlee3941 - Riiiiiight. Everything was peaceful and perfect before the Westerners arrived. LMAO

[@Shawnimal]

"“Remember that a person’s name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language. Respect and acceptance stem from simple acts such as remembering a person’s name and using it whenever appropriate.” - DAVE CARNEGIE, How To Win Friends and Influence People

[@davidnguyen4707]

Btw, 9 dash line was not introduced by PRC but rather the ROC

[@DD-sr9xm]

Vietnam has 100 mio people. Their demographic chart is very healthy. After the war, they had a baby boom in the 80’s that has pretty much continued to today but the really thick part of their chart is in the 25-40 year old range. Meanwhile China’s demographics is a time bomb starting to explode. They have the fastest aging population on the planet. Of course Vietnam’s geography is a long narrow north-south bias with a very long coastline. They have four large port cities well spread out along the coast. It’s a no brainer that with the population size, the demographics and the geography, Vietnam will significantly eat into China’s share of global manufacturing. Currently US annual imports from China are at $400 bio with Vietnam at $150 bio. Watch this space …

[@jamiearnott9669]

Great video. Isn't it obvious what's going on here? Who's going to be the global manufacturing hub?

[@casbot71]

Chinese diplomacy seems to have forgotten the existence of the _balance wheel._

[@Emilechen]

many regional powers join SCO anf BRICS led by China,

[@jakobtarrasericsson4295]

So have Russia for that matter too it would seem. Even supposed ”great powers” must know There is a fine line of balance to walk before you know you may have overstepped.

[@ykc16888]

Wonder how these compare to Lacoste A23 Lite?

[@FL-uj7cs]

China and Vietnam were never really friends so they never really "fell out." It's a relationship that has waxed and waned depending on the power dynamic and each country's relations with other superpowers, as you have pointed out. It's been on the decline for years. I find the title misleading.

[@andrewklang809]

American here. I feel shitty for all that Vietnam has had to deal with over the last 45-75 years. I take no responsibility for the French, but the US effed up your country bad, and hurt our own in the process. We're still having to deal with the fallout of our first failed war, from those who deny it and its failed aims.And while I do not and never will condone Vietnam's one party rule (especially because of how autocratic and state-media-focused our own political scene has become), peace is almost always preferable to chaos, and its not like either France or the US offered the Vietnamese a better alternative back in the day. China sure as hell ain't offering anything better now. It's a good thing, undeniably, that the US can now speak with Vietnam as a distant partner, and not an imperialist. We don't want Vietnam falling under anyone else's sway, so the best thing for us is for Vietnam to remain strong and independent. Obviously, China wants to rule everything remotely near them, going back to the pre-Ming Imperial system, but with rapid-response troops. The best thing for East/Southeast Asia and the US both, is for Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, and everyone else in the region to retain their sovereignty and borders. I'm not gonna claim all of us have learned that imperialism isn't worth it, but we're very invested in the status quo as distant economic partners. Only one country is threatening to shake that up, and only one country stands to benefit from that, once they've subdued all the others.

[@thethaovatoquoc312]

Unification is not a good thing if it's just an excuse being used by the authoritarian oppressive dictators to enslave the rest of the population under totalitarian regime serving a selected few of the utterly corrupt, brutal, parasitic elites. There is a reason why the fascist Vietnamese Commie regime banned "Animal Farm" written by George Orwell, as this famous novel essentially exposed the core of their dictatorship and duplicity in easy-to-understand language. Imagine the wretched and brutal North Korean terrorists serving its cult leader Kim Jong Un invade the free and prosperous Republic of South Korea and claim "reunification". Same thing happened when the wretched and brutal North Vietnamese Commie terrorists serving its cult leader Ho Chi Minh invaded the free and prosperous Republic of South Vietnam and claim "reunification".

[@thethaovatoquoc312]

Never apologize for saving people from the existential threat of Communism. To all the military veterans from USA and Allies having participated in Korean War and Vietnam War, thank you for your service for trying to contain the spread of the deadly and toxic Communism which, like a infectious plague, was and still is a stain on humanity!

[@user-yq5he3rg8o]

I will never condone American democracy

[@thethaovatoquoc312]

Rational minds realize that the true losers of the Vietnam War are the enslaved and exploited Vietnamese citizens currently under the utterly corrupt and brutal Vietnamese Commie regime installed after the North Vietnamese Commie terrorists invaded the free and prosperous Republic of South Vietnam in 1975 and turned the whole country into a sh*thole. Out of 100 people, for every 1 wants to get in, 99 wants to get out whenever they can, as evidenced by 39 dead Vietnamese migrants found in UK container truck in the news, and that's only what's been reported, unfortunately. On any given days in the cities across Commie Vietnam, one would see long lines of Vietnamese locals waiting at foreign embassies and passport offices in Commie Vietnam to interview for their temporary trips, which would almost always by one way or another turn into permanent escapes, from Commie Vietnam to Western countries. Brainwashed younger generations worldwide would likely learn it the hard way that Commies invariably commit lies, deceptions, robberies, enslavement, exploitations, death, and destruction wherever they go. Communism is indeed the stain on humanity. Vietnam can only be free and prosperous when the utterly corrupt and brutal Vietnamese Commie regime and its remnants are forever obliterated.

[@AmanomiyaJun]

@@thethaovatoquoc312If only the U.S. extended a helping hand to the entirety of Vietnam back when the HCM guy was going around looking for help, communism wouldn't have spread. A shame that he had to turn to communism for help after the Western world denied him.

[@Shineon83]

HOW TO WIN FRIENDS- is actually one of the most helpful books you’ll ever read!

[@khaiphamba5991]

You managed to summarize a duration of the China-Vietnam relationship in almost 50 years in less than 10 mins. As a Vietnamese, I'm telling ya, you've got only 60% of what truly happened. I will try to put more details into all the points that you have included (hopefully): * 111 BC-AD 939: This "Dark Age" of Vietnam history is called "A 1000 years under Chinese rule" and can be divided into 3 periods. In-between them were short-live moments of independence. There was actually a 4th period from AD 1407-1428 that China took control of Vietnam, but basically in the 2nd Millennium, Vietnam was predominantly a self-controlled state. What China did during these periods was trying to brutally assimilate Vietnam. The annexation happened too early before the Vietnamese civilization could mature, and it also happened for a very long time. This is why for foreigners, Vietnam and China look alike at a glance. However, these sad chapters also serve as a crucial lesson on how to deal with China later on. * 1955-1975 (Vietnam War): China, along with other Socialist states, supports Vietnam against the American invasion of Vietnam. * 1968-1989: Toward the end of the Vietnam War, there were a lot of new developments around the trio Vietnam-China-Soviet: (1) China wanted Vietnam to do war and do negotiation under China's terms by not fully defeating American forces; (2) Vietnam wanted to decide its own fate, uniting the country and talking with the US directly; (3) China and Soviet relationship deteriorated; (4) Vietnam and Soviet relationship elevated, (5) China and US relationship elevated. After this, China felt threatened by a rising Vietnam that was able to defeat the US, so when Khmer Rouge came to power, China showed their support, spreading the idea that "Vietnam would become aggressive to create a new Indochina Federation of its own". The Khmer Rouge was in fact the aggressive one. It wanted to take back lands lost in the past, so it attacked Thailand and Vietnam. Though suffering heavy civilian and military casualties, Vietnam chose to defend and negotiate, but Khmer Rouge rejected while China gave no response. With the support of China, Khmer Rouge invaded Vietnam in full forces in 1978 but was quickly defeated. Having found no hope for negotiation, Vietnam invaded Cambodia, destroyed Khmer Rouge - one of the most brutal regimes in the 20th century, saved the Cambodian people from extinction, and then established a new Cambodian government in 1979. After that, Vietnam protected that government until it was strong enough to stand on its own, withdrawing all Vietnamese forces in 1989. During all of these, there were also 3 significant issues between Vietnam and China: (1) land territorial disputes; (2) water territorial disputes; (3) Chinese people in Vietnam. * 1979: China invaded Vietnam to support its ally, Khmer Rouge, and to "teach Vietnam a lesson". The war ended after only 27 days. * 1988: A naval battle erupted between China and Vietnam called "Johnson South Reef Skirmish". * 1989-now: Generally speaking, the relationship between the 2 has improved, as both tested each other before. Vietnam knows that it must be cautious and flexible with China, while China knows what Vietnam could do and respects it. Both have also found peace and development are more important. Both have been increasingly doing trade with each other. That said, a new problem has arisen. The US. As China is developing so fast and will possibly become the next superpower that could challenge the US's global dominance, the US has started to put pressure on China by causing the Trade War and sea containment, not allowing the Chinese Navy to expand beyond the South China Sea. The US has established a rather solid line of restraint on China, from Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, to the Philippines. The next in line is no other than Vietnam. Responding to this, China created a nine-dash line to quickly take control of the South China Sea. It's not just to secure the resources in the area, but to prevent further containment from America. Learning lessons from the past, Vietnam has been trying to avoid siding with any party. The fact that it was the US that sent its ships to the South China Sea to test China, not Vietnam asking for the US to come. Biden also visited Vietnam recently to increase the level of relationship. America wants to induce Vietnam to become its ally against China. China responded by "gently" accusing Vietnam and the US of having a "cold war mentality". All in all, the Vietnam-China relationship is getting much better. However, a 3rd party factor, the race between superpowers is the new challenge to this. Vietnam will have to tread very lightly in order to have the investments and technologies from the US and other countries without making China feel threatened.

[@thuankhong]

China's 9-dash line was drawn when Chiang Kai-shek was still in power in China

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

@@thuankhongWhich means…We must give the island to Taiwan!

[@nickcoleman-hicks9168]

China and Vietnam have never had a friendly period of relations 😂

[@dilotodragon]

As I Vietnamese, I looked at this video title and had to ask myself. "Since when did we ever get along?"

[@marcob1729]

Honestly kind of strange to try to peg the initial phase of Vietnam/China relations as starting in the mid 20th century. Their beef goes back centuries

[@sentryion3106]

More like millennia. It’s quite a pattern for China to drop down to invade pretty much once every dynasty.

[@81Earthangel]

0:10 The main reason China and Viet Nam fell out was because of China continuing to support the Red Khmer and Viet Nam invading Cambodia. That was also the reason why China invaded Viet Nam.

[@no-bodymr6419]

You forgot that Red Khmer killed Vietnamese people first, the people who lives in West-Southern of Vietnam. Hun Sen, one of the commander who worked under Pol Pot, asked Vietnamese to help him overthrowing Pol Pot regime. China and Vietnam relation became bad after the Vietnam war because of Sino-Soviet conflict, Vietnam was closed to Soviet than China so they weren't happy about it. The situation in Cambodia and the invasion was to force Vietnam to obey them.

[@Sinyao]

​@@no-bodymr6419can't imagine why Vietnam would cozy up to soviet Russia over Japan, considering the Soviets never invaded, and the shipments from Russia to Vietnam to aid in the sino American war was plundered by the Chinese government and replaced with cheap knockoffs.

[@dcmessitinh5854]

​@@Sinyaobởi vì ngày đó Liên Xô Russia 🇷🇺 là cộng sản, còn Nhật Bản 🇯🇵 là phát xít

[@Eoin-B]

China is claiming Islands way closer to Vietnam up north from those maps. You can't even approach about a fifth of the Cat Ba Archipelago and all the Islands above it because it's a type of tense no man's land with dual claims over them which is totally crazy because China is nowhere near this collection of Islands, it's Vietnam to the west & north! It's probably a good thing as the Cat Ba coral reef is totally destroyed because of dynamite fishing and the brave can actually see the surviving part if they want to risk getting picked up by the Chinese or Vietnaimese Coast Guard, but still, just like India & Mongolia and every other neighbour, they own everything. Just because.

[@GenXerReacts]

At 2:24 the saying from Mao "As close as between lips and teeth" Mao was talking about the relationship of China and North Korea, not North Vietnam.

[@LordBuckhouse]

TLDR has an accute sense of the obviously

[@Rogerever]

Not really, this video is extremely poorly researched. They claim China and Vietnam had good relations in the 90s and 2000s, when in reality it was the exact opposite, China and Vietnam never had good relations. There are countless other MASSIVE errors in this video as well.

[@VampireNewl]

China really needs to stop picking fights with literally everyone.

[@Emilechen]

SCO and BRICS:???

[@G.A.C_Preserve]

@@Emilechen useless

[@Emilechen]

@@G.A.C_Preserve from US point of views, all nations and international organizations are useless as long as they can't be used as canon fodders in a fight against China,

[@sentryion3106]

@@Emilechenbrics is just in name with little hope of doing anything. Seriously do you think India and China will ever agree on anything?

[@Emilechen]

@@sentryion3106 BRICS is like G7 or G20, a forum of common economic development, not a military alliance, so India and China doesn't need to be agree on anything, there are some many regional ans international organizations in the World, their members don't need to agree on anything,

[@owenb8636]

It's weird that China doesn't see how a few islands aren't worth alienating all of their neighbours. Taiwan is worth more than anything in the Spratly Islands and if China decides to invade one day they will really need all the help they can get, or at least the neutrality of nearby countries that could serve as military bases for the US

[@lam-mr8pb]

Cut off from the south china sea meaning almost all of china’s import and export are blocked. The Spartly Islands are a way for them to control the sea. It’s much more important than Taiwan.

[@thecommentguy9380]

controlling spratly and paracel means you're controlling a large portion of the region's water just by border law

[@commentorsilensor3734]

Shut up. If you want to sacrifice Taiwan to save those islands. Remember, Vietnam was under China longer than Taiwan under China. China keeps talking historically China owns Taiwan. China has more historical reasons to own Vietnam. I have many Vietnamese friends. I just don't understand they keep think Taiwan is part of China. You anger me, I will bring history books to prove Vietnam must go back to China.

[@ryanmalady376]

"Hey i know. Lets anger everyone in the region at once for no reason. What could go wrong?"

[@JanjayTrollface]

How to win friends and influence people: get their name wrong.

[@novicepilotaviator5868]

Spoiler alert: The longest 1000-year war in human history was between China and Vietnam. China has been invading Vietnam one dynasty after another. In 1979, Deng Xiaoping - (The then Premier Leader of the Sick Man of Asia - China) was best friends with the murderous, genocidal and racist Khmer Rouge leader- Pol Pot. Deng Xiaoping invaded Vietnam after being embarrassed when Vietnam forced his best friend, Pol Pot, to flee to the Thai-Cambodian border. Vietnam had little choice but to eject Pol Pot's genocidal henchman from Vietnam following the murders and beheadings of many innocent Vietnamese Villagers inside Vietnamese villages of South Vietnam by Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge.

[@Veepee92]

Actually Vietnam had quite a few military options at hand, but they opted out for the most imperialist one: establishing an illegitimate Hanoi-controlled puppet government that made them an international pariah state almost immediately.

[@novicepilotaviator5868]

@@Veepee92 Well, anything is better than the Beijing-controlled puppet government of Pol Pot and his murderous Khmer Rouge henchman who imposed mass genocide by applying Mao Zedong's Red Book doctrine of the cultural revolution, which resulted in starvation and cannibalism in the populace to survive.

[@G.A.C_Preserve]

@@Veepee92 so what's the other option

[@Veepee92]

@G.A.C_Preserve Do what Thailand did in 1978 when faced with the exact same issue of attacks at their Cambodia border: let China mediate your peace talks to arrive in a diplomatic resolution without war. Or then they could have just immediately brought Sihanouk to power starting from 1979.

[@novicepilotaviator5868]

@@Veepee92 Dude, are we living in some type of alternate reality here? Peace talks with Pol Pot's genocidal Khmer Rouge? You don't negotiate with genocidal racist hell bent on murdering you, man. And as for that King Norodom Sihanouk was also a racist nationalist who would bend over backwards for Pol Pot. C'mon, are you serious, man? lol

[@SabreWolferos]

Vietnam - “ china friendship ended, USA is now new best friend”

[@dcmessitinh5854]

Hello my Friend, from Hà Nội, Việt Nam

[@KPD-el4dc]

I just came from Burlington's store and without China, some people will have to go back to wearing leaves, lol

[@ericclausen6772]

Yeah if you cross the dash lines you better be dashing

[@KellyBurnett138]

Vietnam: a formidable opponent we kinda owe a debt to..my thoughts on all of it tbh. And to the generations of men who HAD to learn their place hierarchy of manhood on the battlefield….this veteran (CMB medic 2003-2014) sends love and respect, no matter what flag your brother, to the left and right, also flown…but it seems the heads of states, who have to assassinate(!) their naysayers, are the “enemy” to me tbh!!

[@thuankhong]

Right

[@QuanNguyen-rr6pe]

South Vietnamese here. While we are not agreeing with our northern countrymen, I believe our mutual hatred for China is even stronger than our differences. Nothing is stronger than the boiling hatred for a mutual enemy.

[@Onion_salsa]

Well as a fellow vietnamese we all hate china, the hatred basically ingrained into our DNA, like no matter where you are in the world as long as you have a Vietnamese blood run through your veins, the hatred? it's there ( and it rightly so).

[@ledrash6079]

The real video starts at (about) 6:10 but had to include this first long period, probably for monetary reasons.

[@nolonger9112]

If not mistake history said vn and zh at war with each other for thousands year when zh tried to annex vn but fail multi time already. So currently when most of spies that zh installed to show that zh can be good neighbor in vn be catch they return to real relationship.

[@casbot71]

_Only Nixon could go to China_ - old Vulcan proverb.

[@onsenfou6542]

"The people are the heroes now" John Adams.