Why Christianity Can't Understand Other Religions

Christians tend to believe some pretty ugly things about people in other religions. Part of this is just simple in-group thinking, but part of it comes from their religion's narrative about "unbelievers." This video explores that phenomenon by examining Allen Parr's thoughts on why so much of the Jewish population did not convert to Christianity. He expresses a strange level of puzzlement that overlooks the obvious: That other people feel about their religion what Christians feel about Christianity. Weird, right?
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[@ProphetofZod]

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[@AnonymousWon-uu5yn]

It is evil for a god or for anyone to force another life form into the type of existence where they will suffer against their will because they might not want to exist in the type of existence where the they will suffer against their will and that's why doing that to them is an evil thing to do. And it is evil for a christian to force another life form into the type of existence where they will be forced to be in horrible jeopardy of possibly going to hell. And it is evil for atheists to force people into existence when they don't know what will happen to them in this life or in the perhaps possible afterlife.

[@GameTimeWhy]

It's fun watching apologists freak out because obviously you don't understand the perfection of these texts.

[@sixkicksfightertricks949]

@ProphetofZod Math has proven God to me and I became deist. Since math is the universal language, I'm hoping to achieve world harmony in a few decades. I'm still Taoist and I believe there are 3 Gods. K for King or Father. Q for Mother or Queen J for Jester or Child Equation for Love: X ÷ (0) × X ^ 2 = ❤ What do you think of my theory? I'm desperate for feedback because I fear doomsday. 💦✝️☯️✝️🌌🍎💜

[@AnonymousWon-uu5yn]

@@sixkicksfightertricks949 There are quite a few different types of religions throughout the world and just to be on the safe side, you should believe in all of them. look up, dear believer why do you believe

[@GameTimeWhy]

@@sixkicksfightertricks949 math does not prove any supernatural being.

[@DaremoTen]

"Why didn't the Jews covert to christianity?" "Why didn't you convert to Branch Davidianism?"

[@jennoscura2381]

Absolutely! David Koresh was clearly Jesus. And not just some crazy cult leader.

[@cynicalsayonara7169]

Or become Mormon.

[@PrometheanRising]

And people still believe in David Koresh even though he's dead.

[@kamion53]

@@PrometheanRising the big benefit of him being as dead as a doornail you can attribute all kind of wonders and miracles to him without him having to deny or agree.

[@bobcosgrove3235]

@@PrometheanRising People still believe in Jesus even though he's dead.

[@Finckelstein]

Allen and his entire religious ilk are perfectly capable of criticizing other religions, while being entirely unable to apply the same criticisms and logic to their own.

[@justinhart2831]

As much as I usually dislike tone policing, I think that's a poor choice of words for an epithet to describe him.

[@Finckelstein]

@@justinhart2831 You might be right. In retrospect it does sound quite offensive. I should attack his poor ideas, not him. I do however think comparing him to Denzel Washington is a compliment. Denzel's a very attractive guy after all. Still, I'm gonna change it.

[@bunnerkins]

@@Finckelstein @justinhart2831 I ain't never seen this channel before and I haven't watched the video. I have no idea what I am in for. I check the comments first to see if I even want to be a part of a community before I click play. And the two of you, you are aight. I like you. You did good here, sorting this out between yourselves. I like it. Imma watch the video.

[@Dr_Wrong]

Screw resurrections, Reconciliation on the internet? Now *_THAT'S_* a miracle! 😆😆

[@oldschoolman1444]

Classic cognitive dissonance!

[@TheLithp]

Alan, 3 times over: God picked the dumbest way to try to convince the Jews. Alan's 4th reason: Blame the Jews.

[@Llortnerof]

God: I'll trick the jews by making the messiah not show any of the signs i told them he would! Also God: Why aren't they realising he is the messiah? - Christians

[@martifingers]

We should remember the late Rabbi Lionel Blue's joke. Nazi: The Jews are responsible for all the country's problems. Jacob: Yes, right! The Jews and the cyclists! Nazi: Why cyclists? Jacob: Why the Jews?

[@irrelevant_noob]

@TheLithp also #4 isn't even that... some of the "hardened hearts" their book talks about is god's doing!

[@theuncalledfor]

@@martifingers They would just give a long list of reasons that, if factually true, would indeed prove that, but just so happen to be complete and utter lies.

[@RorikH]

Also, the history of blaming the Jews is just so obviously the Post-Constantine Romans trying to deflect their own guilt over killing him by pinning it on some people they already didn't like.

[@RoderickEtheria]

First religion's fanatic: "I just don't understand why I can't get (Second religion's fanatic) to convert. Wise man, what should I do?" Wise man: "Look inside. What would convince you to convert?" First religion's fanatic:"Nothing, of course, since my religion's the right one. But I don't see what that's got to do with anything!"

[@Micha3l649]

Wow! This

[@rylands4289]

Yessss

[@Queldonus]

It’s actually quite impressive how someone can be arrogant, condescending, insulting, and almost totally oblivious to it while they are doing it.

[@zenkim6709]

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing. Faith-based cognitive dissonance, especially so.

[@kerritarian4945]

well if they know, they won't isn't it?

[@darkstarr984]

They’ll claim that pride is “doing what you want” while they are actually being prideful in a detrimental way.

[@DrachenGothik666]

And antisemitic, besides. This Allen guy is a straight up bigot who's beliefs wouldn't be too out of place at a Neo-Nazi rally.

[@Btd-Marc]

@@darkstarr984that’s not pride as a whole. Doing what you want is just a form of pride or from pride

[@grantgunz]

"God could clear a lot of stuff up with a five minute press conference." - George Carlin

[@withlessAsbestos]

Lol, I’m pretty sure that he prefers the riddles though. I mean when asked who he was he basically just said “Yes.”

[@diamondflaw]

By Alan’s own description, Jews not converting to Christianity are virtually identical to Christians not converting to Muslim or Mormon beliefs.

[@ryanorionwotanson4568]

It's worse actually, J's know it's a trap to theologically conquer gentiles.

[@chillinchum]

​@@ryanorionwotanson4568I'm curious to understand what you mean?

[@ryanorionwotanson4568]

@@chillinchum xianity is a trap, created to theologically conquer us

[@ryanorionwotanson4568]

@@chillinchum Christianity is a trap, it robs us of our culture and gods,Adam gr33n talks about it on know more news. Odysee

[@jenna2431]

You gotta love when a 21st century Protestant guy leads off saying that people who did nothing else BUT study and memorize the Torah were confused about their own book. I mean... seriously new low for Parr here.

[@Uryvichk]

Also, did he go to any OTHER sources, such as historical Jewish sources, or modern Jewish textual scholars, to find an argument that wasn't a fictional strawman invented by a Christian? Of course not.

[@PrometheanRising]

There wasn't a book yet, and the scrolls weren't fully canonized yet either., but the central point is still true. They knew what their made-up stories said about their coming savior, and Yehoshua wasn't it.

[@maxalberts2003]

@@PrometheanRising But I think the deeper point is that Parr's claim(s) could only be true IF the NT was written at a much later date than most mainstream Christian historians claim, and written by sophisticated propagandists practicing their exhortative craft. I see no reason to believe that the historians were/are in error. Abstract thought isn't an invention of contemporary Western culture. (Ex. The Gospel of John.)

[@edwardmiessner6502]

He also said that the people who actually WROTE the Tanakh were confused about what they were writing and therefore missed all the prophecies about their Messiah's first coming. That's an even lower low.

[@juanausensi499]

@@maxalberts2003 The NT was never 'written'. Dozens of gospels and stories where circulating, until a council (yes, pretty much very much later) decided what stories were 'true' and what were 'false', of course through their own theological views of the time. So, if they wanted to demonize jews and appease the romans, that was accomplished by them selecting the gospels that fit their views, and rejecting the others.

[@ShadowWalkyr]

Shorter Allen Parr: "All the good people converted to Chrisianity as soon as they heard about it. Therefore, anybody who didn't convert was a bad person." This kind of thinking has led to millions of Jews -- to say nothing about members of other non-Christian religions -- to be slaughtered with neither punity nor remorse over the last two thousand years or so.

[@satiricgames2129]

Yeah it's it's typical and so obvious jews are bad christians are good

[@boulderthebolder6165]

I always love when the Christians in these videos put such an emphasis on the word COMING.

[@powpuckmobile9226]

Jesus will come again, but he needs an hour break and a gatorade

[@lisacook8235]

Can't help but hear "come again" in the voice of Apu from The Simpsons@@powpuckmobile9226

[@classicsciencefictionhorro1665]

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[@Ironsuaba]

Honestly, I often can't resist saying CUM! when they do that. It's childish but it cracks me up hard

[@drewharrison6433]

Oh but,not yet! 😅 I guess he's still edging...

[@Dr_Wrong]

Christians : "Nobody but me knows the Bible. Not even the *_writers_* of the Bible knew God's will. Just me."

[@AdmiralBison]

S.P.A.G. Self projecting as god. and always agrees with the believer.

[@terryfall8915]

No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means. --George Bernard Shaw

[@Dr_Wrong]

@@terryfall8915 ^This 😂

[@condorboss3339]

It is truly amazing how the Bible always means what the believer wants it to mean.

[@roddycreswell8613]

If that's what you get out of Christians, you haven't been around a Christian. A true Christian will be the first to admit they aren't perfect and do not know everything. I don't know everything about the Bible, I'm a Christian.

[@ChillDude....]

What really bothers me about religious and spiritual people is that they almost never say "I think" or "I believe" when trying to explain something. They always have all the answers and everything they say is the absolute truth.

[@TheAwesomes2104]

Yep, really getting tired of it with a certain believer in my life. Tells me I don't know because I'm young, and he was an atheist his whole life like me... except I was a devout Christian until I was about 18, but when he finds that out "Oh but you weren't a true believer or God would have reached out and you'd know undeniably that it's true." Essentially, if you make yourself believe it, then you'll believe it, duh, lol. It's like no matter what you say, they've got some sort of nonsense that gives away the fact that they never intended to have a nice exchange about our individual beliefs, it's always a conversion mission. It's like a Dungeon Master who can't decide how the magic system works in their world, so they just sort of make it up as things go.

[@ChillDude....]

@@TheAwesomes2104 Unfortunately they can't even begin to consider that they might be wrong. It's too painful for them. I was also a believer until 20 years old and, while I'm not an expert, I know the scripture better then most believers I know but that doesn't stop them from using the same old tired arguments again and again when trying to convince me.

[@gamera5160]

I've personally had the opposite experience. The deeper my faith gets, the more I realize I don't understand anything.

[@corneliahanimann2173]

This point! This is why I love believers of vodoo. I myself am not a believer, but the first time I encountered so.eone that does, I asked them what vodoo is about, since in my mind it was just these images of people killing goats and dancing and campfires. I just got asked back, if I believe in vodoo, and I said no, and they said "good, that's better", and left the topic where it was. I tried this conversation with 2-3 people that didn't try to convert me at all, which is unusual when you have been surrounded by christians all your life. So when I asked them why they believe in it, they just said they have seen things that are undeniable. It is really a fascinating advertising strategy if you think about it. What I learned about the whole aspect of sacrificing stuff, is that we in western cultures like to paint the other as barbaric. It is much more about giving away something meaningful of your own, say a favourite perfume of yours, a laptop, a specific necklace that is emotionally tied to a valuable memory. You sacrifice to humble yourself about what you are when you give away what is of importance to you. Not to say this is a good thing, but it has a humbling balance to it that I feel is missing in other religions

[@ChillDude....]

@@corneliahanimann2173 Sounds interesting. Belief should be based on personal experience in my opinion and trying to force others into having your beliefs doesn't make much sense unless you have something to gain by doing so. I do respect people who have strong beliefs though. I think they can be stronger and more resilient then people who don't.

[@MindForgedManacle]

As someone who is Jewish, the reasons Jews typically don't accept the Christian claim is so simple: 1) Christian persecution throughout the ages. Calling us Christ killers, beguiled by Satan (who to us is just an angel God controls) and the like. 2) On religious grounds, he didn't fulfill anything the prophesied Messiah is supposed to unambiguously do. Namely, he is supposed to bring about an end to sin, a restoration of the temple, give sacrifice for his own sins (yes, to us that messiah can and will sin), start a biological family of his own and CRUCIALLY bring world peace in his life. Whether you accept Judaism's fantastical claims or not, it's extremely obvious to everyone that none of those actual prophecies - ones that make direct claims and are easy to verify the truth of - have never happened.

[@britaom3299]

Exactly right! The Old Testament messianic prophecies are things that, when fulfilled, everyone will be able to see and recognize them as being so. For example, people would literally see swords being beaten into plowshares (peace established throughout the world). People would witness the temple’s restoration and Jew and Gentile alike going to Jerusalem to celebrate the festival of Sukkot. Etc. Notice how all the things Christians end up pointing to as “messianic prophecies”, are things like virgin births, people riding into Jerusalem on donkeys, birth places, and other things that ultimately cannot be actually verified or are unique to one specific man.

[@nagranoth_]

That doesn't count. The prophecies christians cling to didn't happen either, so clearly failing prophecies is not a reason to not convert /s

[@MindForgedManacle]

@rboland2173 Christians think Jesus is either God himself or is the incarnation of the Son of God as a distinct "person" of the Godhead. It doesn't make actual sense logically (it violates the principle known as the indiscernibility of identicals), but because equate God and Jesus at a fundamental level, they think the messiah is supposed to be God in some sense. So to them, they are thinking about God. As for the rest, well, Christians don't actually really know what highly religious Jews believe about the end times. So they would just deny most of what a religious Jew would say. After all, they already dismiss the Hebrew Bible passages that say God has an eternal covenant (contract) with the Jews that they must always follow his laws. It's required by their religion that the "Old Testament" law no longer applies, so they largely don't even know about Judaism beyond the superficial and whatever the NT tells them. I've seen their sermons, they just quote small verses and interpolate them into the New Testament to create a different meaning than the original. For Jews, "Messiah" doesn't only refer to this prophesied person, and can refer to many important people (judges, priests, even the Persian king Cyrus were called "messiah"). In fact, that prophesied person isn't even technically called a messiah, but religious Jews just understand him that way because obviously he is suggested to have a pretty incredible role. It's just that role has nothing to do with being perfect, and the fact he is supposed to sacrifice for his own sin means he can't be perfect.

[@britaom3299]

@@MindForgedManacle Great post. I learned Biblical Hebrew and spent over a year going thru the Tanakh ;). One of the major red flags that led to my leaving Christianity was seeing just how BADLY Christians rip verses completely out of context from the "Old Testament." The fact that Christians HAVE to do this speaks volumes, and this allows them to ultimately turn the "Old Testament" into a "Where's Jesus Puzzle", that only THEY can solve. (And that is another thing that bothered me: the Christian presumption and arrogance that only THEY "really" know the Old Testament. It's disgusting frankly.)

[@brushdogart]

Well said. That's how it has always been explained to me when I've asked about it. Essentially, I was told that Jews refuse to change their entire religious lives on a promise of fulfilling the prophecies at some undetermined future date. That seems pretty reasonable to me (as an agnostic).

[@SonofSethoitae]

I think my favourite example of Christians not understanding other religions is when they quote from the Bible as an argument against another religion. Like, would they be convinced if I started quoting from the Bhagavad Gita? Or the Avesta? Probably not. And yet they think saying "John 3:16" is going to convince someone who doesn't believe the Bible is true.

[@serpentinious7745]

The more apologetics I hear the less I respect religious beliefs

[@Greene362]

Same for me.

[@nicolasandre9886]

At one time I wondered whether starting with one of the worst apologists, Ray Comfort, spoiled other apologetic arguments in my mind. But then again, hearing dr William Lane Craig 'lowering the epistemic bar to accept christianity if there is only one chance in a million it could be true' does not bring much more hope to hear anything convincing from the theist side.

[@britaom3299]

Over the past year since I've deconverted, I have come to hold apologists with disdain. They are lower than lawyers in my book. And once upon a time I used to hold them in high regard for "defending the faith." Ugh. Obvious to me now what the problem is: they start from a position of their own infallibility: they cannot and are not wrong! And they will allow no evidence to undermine their position; instead, they will find ways to deflect, dodge, and spin away all the evidence that refutes their claims. That's all they ever do. That's what they are paid to do!

[@BenjaminGlatt]

Amen.

[@balanc-joy9187]

Same here. When a religious person I _thought_ might be more reasonable than the fundementalists I saw so much of at the time mentioned how much he loved apologetics and how "essential" they are for Christianity, I burst out laughing. We were communicating via email, so he doesn't know I did that thankfully.

[@leyrua]

I've used Christian arguments against Christians to argue for Ra the sun god, and funny enough, they rejected my claims and then turned around and used the EXACT SAME LOGIC to tell me that I should turn to Jesus.

[@timothymulholland7905]

The Bible is amazing because it is specific enough for people to think they know what’s going on and ambiguous enough to allow them to adapt it to their own circumstances and desires. You just have to be brazen and irresponsible.

[@cliftongaither6642]

well said 👍🤘

[@sixkicksfightertricks949]

Trying to understand my Christian family, I angry read almost 700 pages of the OT and part of Mathew. Jesus saying that everything is a parable is the verse I desperately needed to stop hating abrahamic religions. ☯️🌌💜

[@HoneyTone-TheSearchContinues]

Typical human failing: Hindsight is 20/20.

[@sixkicksfightertricks949]

@@HoneyTone-TheSearchContinues I like to use hindsight to develop my foresight. Use multiples of 2 to investigate the past. Use multiples of 3 for the future of all life.

[@HoneyTone-TheSearchContinues]

@@sixkicksfightertricks949 So, cube sight for the future instead of 4sight?

[@knutthompson7879]

I'm always struck by "arguments" like "Look at the trees. Therefore the Christian God and Jesus and the Trinity all that stuff," like, clearly, one's own religion is, obviously, the ONLY possible religion. From that perspective, it is bewildering why someone would look at the trees and conclude another God. Atheists? Well, they just hate God, but how could you possibly believe in different God or follow a different religion? That is to many believers, in many ways, more perplexing than Atheism.

[@TorianTammas]

Monotheism as in one god is as intolerant as one party.

[@knutthompson7879]

@@Hjff_-gdgyhh_5kfj There are 7 names for "god" in the old testament. Even in the commandments he says you shall has no gods before me. Not that he is the only god, just that he wants to take precedence over the other ones. The "one and only one God" concept came later.

[@knutthompson7879]

@@Hjff_-gdgyhh_5kfj Am I hiding something? I am sorry, I don't know what you are talking about.

[@knutthompson7879]

@@Hjff_-gdgyhh_5kfj If you are trying to instigate something, I am not interested.

[@TheDeath138]

​​@user-nm1yd6wg7j They didn't? Where are you even getting that garbage from? It sure isn't the Bible. Besides, even if they did know that, how do you explain that they didn't even know where the sun went at night? Are you implying that they could figure out that blue eyes aren't actually blue but couldn't figure out that the sun didn't just disappear at night?

[@dhwyll]

It's basic disrespect: They do not see Judaism as its own religion but rather as remedial Christianity. They do not understand the intricacies of the religion. The Old Testament is in the Bible, so clearly they understand everything about what it means to be Jewish. Thus, they feel no hesitation in trying to tell Jews what Judaism means. I commonly point this out to Christians who try to reinterpret the Old Testament through the lens of Christianity: The Old Testament was written by Jews, for Jews, and can only be understood in a Jewish context. That you as a Christian view it differently is completely up to you, but you don't get to pretend that Jews don't understand their own religion.

[@withlessAsbestos]

To be fair, they are both derived from Second Temple Judaism.

[@bradypustridactylus488]

Just before I began my university studies, I announced that I intended to major in anthropology. My cousin advised against this because she had just taken a class in the subject and declared, "Anthropologists do not believe in good and evil." In today's world, proponents of so-called objective morality often make the same accusation against atheists. The idea that one cannot see the world through the filter of another person's worldview without compromising one's own is what makes fundamentalism fundamentalist. Ethnocentrism must be nurtured because it is seen as the primary protection fundamentalists have to challenges to their belief system.

[@justinhart2831]

'[M]ore than almost any other religious group on the planet, conservative evangelicals, and most especially fundamentalist Christians, are children of the Enlightenment ... I mean that more than almost anyone else, thinkers among these groups are committed to "objective truth"--which was precisely the commitment that led to the demise of Christianity in the modern world in the first place, especially in Europe. And so 5his evangelical commitment is ironic. Or maybe it's a case of trying to fight fire with fire. But the rest is that modern Christian apologists stress the importance of objectivity and champion it more than anyone--much more than most other educated.people in our world. University intellectuals almost never speak of "objectivity" anymore, unless they happen to live on the margins of intellectual life.' Bart D. Ehrman, "How Jesus Became God," page 172

[@FrikInCasualMode]

Ask her what she thinks about adultery? I mean, Bible makes it clear that fornicating with wife of another man is a grave sin. Then ask her if God did commit sin impregnating woman already married to another. If she insist that God did nothing wrong, or he is not bound by his own laws, then you can point to her that it makes those laws subjective - because it can't be objective if you make exceptions.

[@riluna3695]

As someone who values the fundamental understanding of people different from myself more than most things, it's borderline offensive to see people push for precisely the opposite and think they're doing anything other than massively harming those people AND themselves in the process. And if you don't believe it harms yourself, just ask anyone who's deconverted from a strict "outsiders bad!" religion.

[@sixkicksfightertricks949]

Key: Math is the universal language. Natural science and formal science have to join or we'll all die. 🩶🗝

[@bradypustridactylus488]

@@FrikInCasualMode Mormons believe that Jesus was conceived by literal coitus between Elohim and Mary. Bringing up that particular topic with Cousin Ruthie would certainly make feathers fly!

[@raventhorn9287]

I'm Wiccan and I gotta say I get the same hate, harassment and intolerance that many Christians express. What's frustrating is even if I have similar ideals when it comes to love of the divine, and try to have them find common ground, it often falls on deaf ears. Love should be the first language you have, no matter what your path.

[@MrPicunYT]

Theravadin here and can confirm, christian dogma is a hell of a drug and many are too quick to dismiss anything one mights say just because you don't belong to the right group

[@tonymiller3788]

In other words, just like the Millerites, when the prophecy that is actually falsifiable failed to materialize, the parts of the prophecy that could be were moved into the spiritual realm where it can't be falsified. And the falsifiable parts of the prophecy that couldn't be spiritualized were moved into the indefinite future at a second coming we are still waiting for 2000 years later.

[@swolejeezy2603]

And funnily enough, those who were able to succeed at spiritualizing and making metaphor out of concrete prediction ended up becoming Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses. Just like how Paul's version of Christianity came to replace Jesus' very own apocalyptic sect.

[@irgendwieanders2121]

Is that where the concept of "Miller Time!" originally comes from?

[@EdwardHowton]

Prophecy is a low-risk scam. The marks are already primed to mindlessly accept prophecy as a totally real and legitimate thing, and any failure can be explained away with any of a dozen different cop-outs _or even no cop-out at all._ Hell, they're even conditioned to react violently against anyone who asks the obvious questions before and after failed prophecies! _Guys, Harold's been wrong nine times so far, do you really think this next one is-_ _Burn the witch!#!@#!_

[@callhimtim3188]

Apologetics isn’t the pursuit of learning. It’s the pursuit of NOT learning.

[@gernottiefenbrunner172]

Kinda funny when people talk about the second coming of jesus, since, according to their canon, he came the second time mere days after his first death.

[@ScottDaniels1977]

The Old Testament was canonized between 200 A.D. and 200 B.C. So Allan said they were not following the Old Testament is just him assuming that it exists like it does today.

[@kmarklandes8630]

But if Allen can’t disprove a straw man argument he would have no content on his channel.

[@PrometheanRising]

This is a fact that makes the New Testament claim that 'All scripture is inspired...' so interesting. First, it cannot be said in any obvious way to apply to the Christian Bible as it did not yet exist. But even worse, the Hebrew Bible was still in flux as well. This basically leaves the verse to mean that everything we decide is scripture is inspired by God, or God inspires scripture, but we have to decide what scriptures are scripture.

[@PrometheanRising]

@rboland2173 lol

[@PrometheanRising]

@rboland2173 The holy spirit suffers the same burden as all supernatural claims. How can it be independently demonstrated to be true? Given that Christians can't agree on what it wants, and can't make any argument to separate it from what they feel it does not have the character of a reliable source of truth.

[@Llortnerof]

@rboland2173 Clearly the Holy Spirit is just way to full of himself and consequently piss drunk.

[@BSunE]

People who believe differently to me actually know I'm right, they just choose to believe it incorrectly.

[@KaiHenningsen]

Blasphemer! That's only true for people who believe differently to *me!* You just don't want to see the truth!

[@SmallGreenPlanetoid]

Guys! This is going to blow your minds, but have you heard the good news... about *me?*

[@incomingincoming1133]

People generally choose the religion of the time and place they happen to be born. However anyone who doesn't choose my particular religion is wrong, deceived, worshipping false gods, and just want excuses to sin.

[@OuttaMyMind911]

I think the parallel brought up how Allen would not accept something new that challenges the concept of his “true” Christianity, just as he claims the Jewish people of the time were defensive of their religion, can be seen in a modern context. I grew up Mormon (no longer believe, atheist), and it’s a safe bet Allen would reject the claims of the LDS Church. The LDS Church brings similar concepts; a restoration of what “true” Christianity should be, complete with visions, miracles and scripture. Just like what the early apostles did. And again, I’m sure Allen in his position, has viewed this and likely rejects it outright. It’s the same playbook, just in a more modern setting.

[@michaelhenry1763]

Excellent point! What about Islam? They said that the Jews and Christians got it wrong. Islam was to restore the true relationship to God. So didn’t medieval Europe convert?

[@MarkSheeres]

Mormonism is exactly the example that came to mind as I was listening to this.

[@Uryvichk]

@@michaelhenry1763 The uncomfortable reality (for Christians, I mean; I don't care) is that tons of Christians in Islamic-conquered areas DID convert to Islam, and often without a whole lot of protest. That sure doesn't seem like what we'd expect if Christianity were the one true faith!

[@MrAranton]

What makes you thin Allen „viewed“ claims and scripture related to mormonism? Most christians I know reject other religions without looking into them. However: if you reject christianity without studying it to the point you might as well be a priest, you „didn‘t really give it a shot“.

[@NOMAD-qp3dd]

​@@MarkSheeresditto

[@Szadek23]

This is amazing. Allan is basically shadow boxing the jews in the new testament and losses.He explains that they did have very good reasons to reject Jesus, even if we assume for the sake of arguments that everything in bible is true. The really fun part is that groups like Muslims and Mormons could make the very same arguments against him and his faith.

[@britaom3299]

One other thing just occurred to me. Weren’t Jesus’ immediate followers not even sure who he was? Weren’t they confused throughout his ministry as to his real identity? Jesus’ own apostles certainly acted like Keystone Cops that were dumber than boxes of hammers throughout the gospels in their inability to grasp his identity. Until Peter finally “gets it” at the end. So, if Jesus’ immediate followers didn’t even really know who he was until the end of his ministry, how in the hell were the Jews supposed to know this?

[@britaom3299]

Also, look at the way his apostles acted when he died. They thought it was all over. The end. But wait! Shouldn’t they have been eagerly awaiting his resurrection? This is supposedly another biblical prophecy, no? Why weren’t they hanging out at the tomb ready for him to pop out three days later? No instead they acted like all ended in failure. And none of them even bothered to go to the tomb where he was buried. What is up with that?

[@francesconicoletti2547]

@@britaom3299if some dude had turned up in my village going “ give up everything you own follow me the end of the world is coming “ I would have gone “ yeah I know bloody Romans right ? “ and when he went “ no if you don’t join me you too will be utterly destroyed “. I would have given the poor guy a jug of water a loaf of bread and sent him on his way.

[@Uryvichk]

It's even worse than that. If we believe Matthew, not only did Jesus's followers not get that he was saying he would be raised from the dead on the third day, THE SANHEDRIN *DID* GET THIS, because Matthew is the Gospel that has the story with the tomb guards and whatnot. That the Jewish leaders explicitly station at the tomb because they fear that Jesus's disciples will steal his body and then claim he was raised from the dead, just like he said. How the disciples were supposed to do that when they didn't even know what Jesus was predicting I'm not sure of, but it's a little worrying that Jesus's enemies somehow understood his teachings but his hand-picked allies didn't.

[@britaom3299]

​@@Uryvichk Ah yes, the book of Matthew! It is breathtaking when one realizes that almost every alleged "historical event" in that book is either implausible or impossible. I think Richard Carrier is right: what Matthew is doing is creating symbolic events that link Jesus to Moses and OT prophecy but they didn't actually happen. They're SYMBOLIC! Tomb burial? Um, it was a violation of both Jewish and Roman law for criminals, especially blasphemers or seditionists, to be given a tomb burial. So let's make up a story instead and tie that with the book of Jonah. Another example: there was never a practice of releasing a criminal to appease a mob, and the very idea that Pilate would have done so is ludicrous! But hey, let's put TWO people with the same name (Bar Abbas: Son of the Father) before Pilate and one will be executed, and one will be released. Hmmm....that's two Passover lambs. Etc. etc. It was all made-up fan fiction from the start.

[@patrickwalsh8913]

​@@Uryvichksounds like Jesus was terrible at interpersonal communication

[@britaom3299]

If a Jew, in Jesus is time, heard somebody going around telling people that they had to hate their parents in order to follow him, would they think he were the Messiah? That is literally telling them to violate one of the 10 Commandments to honor thy father and mother. Jesus is also on record telling people to ignore burying their just-deceased father; again, how do you think a Jew in the first century would’ve reacted to that? Bottom line, Jesus exhibited behaviors on multiple occasions that would be considered downright blasphemous from a Jewish perspective, which would’ve immediately negated any claim he had to be the Messiah.

[@adrianblake8876]

Oh, but the point is Jesus DID tell them to violate one of the 10 Commandments, the fundamental "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"... Bonus points for Christianity also violating the commandment prohibiting graven images...

[@normal6483]

It's amazing that one of the given examples for "why Jews should believe Jesus was G-d" was "he committed necromancy and raised the dead." Like shit, I'm not even that religious but if some necromancer told me to hate my parents, give up basic tenets of my faith, and join his new cult? I'd be telling the temple too; I'm not high enough level for that fight. (Also his other miracles allegedly include "commanding schools of fish to leap out of the water to their death" and "coming back from the dead after being killed" so he's basically your average fantasy villain. That's some Skeletor shit.)

[@cardcounter21]

Alan - "When Jesus came he gave overwhelming evidence that he was the messiah! He healed the sick, he made the deaf hear, he made the lame walk, he cured the lepers from their disease, and he even raised dead people from the grave" Except the bible never said the _messiah_ would do ANY of this!

[@Elias.D]

I can't wait 'till he finds out religions that aren't Abrahamic exists.

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

Yeah, I look forward to him encountering not only my Zoroastrianism, but specifically my Mazdakism. You know, a religion that teaches ethical hedonism, communism, humanism, free sex, and more. Oh boy, he will not like those things!

[@dalecs47]

This is what the bottom line is for all professional Christers: "My religion is the only true religion, so give me your money."

[@Crazed3raser337]

If Jesus did come back, I think that the vast majority of modern Christians would reject him as a blasphemer, or a false prophet, just like the pharisees did.

[@Ex_christian]

That is a huge if…..

[@mogscugg2639]

Oh most Christians would call him a commie

[@darkstarr984]

Yup. Because Christians are told not to believe any new prophets. So very, very few will actually accept that. Much like the absurd expectation of Alan claiming Jews should somehow accept a messiah saying *blatantly blasphemous things*

[@Crazed3raser337]

@@Ex_christian yeah duh...

[@augustodelerme7233]

Bingo

[@johndemeritt3460]

Imagine what Allen would say if a Muslim came into his church and told the congregation that Mohammed was God's ultimate prophet, that Jesus was only A prophet, and the Christian Bible was ONE of the sacred texts that ultimately led to Qur'an. If Allen's head hadn't instantly exploded, I'd take that as evidence that miracles were possible! There is one test that Jews make every day: it comes with turning on the TV or picking up a newspaper. Whenever one watches or reads the news, it's no surprise that there's violence on a daily basis. The one sign that Mashiach would've arrived without anyone knowing would be that peace broke out across the world. Still seeing violence? Mashiach ain't come yet. It's that simple. But there's one other thing that would tell Jews that Mashiach was ABOUT to come: Elijah's reappearance. There's a reason Jews open their doors during the Passover Seder: they're looking for Elijah. Elijah is supposed to appear preceding Mashiach's arrival. No Elijah? No Mashiach: it's that simple. The REAL reason this alleged Jesus guy had to die had to do with the Roman occupation of Judea. There were a LOT of people who were leading revolts against the Romans, and people were saying these people were the Mashiach promised in The Bible -- or, as Jews often call it, Tanakh. The Romans, tired of all these revolts, tried to weed out these "Messiahs" before they got well established. So the simple solution to this Jesus fellow was to nail him on a treason charge. A Second Coming? Out of the question: it's NOT in Tanakh. Nowhere. No Rabbi would even CONSIDER anything in Tanakh as even SUGGESTING that Mashiach would come to Earth and let everyone know he would come back later to fix everything. Mashiach's appearance is supposed to be one and done.

[@mattm8870]

Yep despite how the gospels try to hide it you can still see that Jesus was killed for being a rebel leader.

[@hackman669]

Funny

[@satiricgames2129]

I have to say you're bit about opening the doors. It's so true because, like Passover is hell a hectic in my household kit, not in my house. Sorry in my auntie's house, but like holy s***Tell me is it's like ten people and then other years it's like twenty five people And what I love the most is that if anyone wants to come like if my friend said to me come to Passover they will always be welcome. The door is always open at passover

[@johndemeritt3460]

,@@satiricgames2129, thank you! I do my best to be respectful, as both the Gentile husband of a Jewish woman and as a sociologist interested in sociology of religion. So it's good to know I got SOMETHING right! PS. Just to play on "The Hunger Games" (aren't Jewish holidays almost ALWAYS about food?), "May the dreidel always fall your way! -- But be a good sport and share some of that gelt with others!" Happy Hanukkah!

[@mikeharrison1868]

It was one thing for me to be in a Christian country and believe everyone else was deluded. It was quite another to visit a temple in Japan and observe the equal sincerity and devotion.

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

And I take the latter seriously. As a Zoroastrian, I love all religions, save the abrahamic ones.

[@jonsmith7659]

Can’t figure out why people don’t wanna convert. Misses the irony of trying to get people to convert to the religion that was used to make his ancestors slaves. Now he’s a different type of slave. To an imaginary being.

[@darrennew8211]

Stockholm Syndrome. "You have to love Jesus, because he'll torture you forever if you don't, and it'll be all your fault. See what you made him do?"

[@blowitoutyourcunt7675]

@@darrennew8211 like a Mafia 'believe or else!'

[@TheAwesomes2104]

Yeah, it really makes me sad to see how deeply indoctrinated into Christianity most African Americans are and have been. So much of the culture and values of their ancestors ripped away from them and replaced with their oppressors brand of religion to pacify and commodify them, and it is still consuming them today. I just can't understand how any African American could be a religious, practicing Christian with the history of how Christianity was used as a weapon against the slaves, and all the extremely clearly pro-slavery in the Bible. I can understand how someone could still believe in Jesus, but how they could go to a church and actively practice the religion of Christianity, I don't know. How they don't see the institution as a tool of control and want nothing to do with it is beyond me. It's just sad when you think about stuff, like that many of the people who were brought over originally believed that all humans came from women (which actually makes some sense,) and now, thanks to white slavers, their descendants get taught from birth that women were made out of a man's rib just to be his perfect little helper wife. Even outside of the US slave trade, colonialism in general has just done so much irreversible damage. As someone with ancestors who were forced to assimilate into Christianity, I just can't imagine having that but worse and still be active in the religion.

[@incomingincoming1133]

He is not a slave to an invisible being. No invisible being makes any appearance, and I'm sure he cannot demonstrate he is communicating with any invisible being. The reality is, he saw some man-made, man-written, man-printed, man-compiled books, by men who claim to be spokespersons of some invisible god, and developed such high confidence in the claims of these men, that he has caused himself to become a slave to these men.

[@ephraimakoto3657]

That is what pains me, Many black people are more loyal to the religion than to their families and their societies that is why the Black society is in a mess and they blame the white man.

[@YoursTrulyThe1Pony]

I understand a lot of other religions whether pagan or in similar ways of Christianity. The only one I can't understand is Christian Evangelism, how can so much hate can be manipulated into so called "love“

[@Sxcheschka]

Gaslighting

[@dunmwarupreachan4567]

It's a classic abusive codependency relationship. The abuser convinces the abused that love is what the abuser says it is.

[@qjtvaddict]

The scary part one of them became president and was actually a decent guy

[@_tripalong]

Wait until you hear about Islam. It's like that, but on steroids

[@SilortheBlade]

Everyone's religion seems ridiculous until it's their own.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

metaphysics are like assholes. everyone has one and they all stink except for mine.

[@augustodelerme7233]

Bingo!!!

[@thing1thing2themediamaniac43]

I was never a devout Christian during my 30+ years in The Christian Faith. Although I tried really hard at times to be devout. Neither were my parents, they were semi-devout. In alot of ways I think it's harder being raised by partially devout Christian parents than 100% devout Christian parents because you never can tell what's going to set them off. Growing up sometimes my parents would be perfectly fine with tv or the internet and sometimes they wouldn't Same with celebrating Halloween it was all based on what they felt or heard at any given time. My parents are still Christians and they constantly beat themselves up because they aren't devout enough I'm glad I no longer live with them When they moved out of the apt my twin brother and I were sharing with them and our little brother and moved into a VERY NICE 55+ GATED COMMUNITY It really brought us closer together than when we were living together. When we were living together I'd spend most of my time in my bedroom because I couldn't stand being in their presence

[@505Hockey]

The lack of self-awareness isn’t surprising but it is sad and troubling.

[@MrGrumblier]

[s] But he KNOWS his religion is the only TRUE religion. The Jews knew this too because the bible says we all know it and anyone who claims otherwise is a fool because the bible says so. [/s]

[@NDHFilms]

I think it speaks to the intellectual integrity of Judaism that the Jews met both Jesus and Mohamed, and in both cases said "You're gonna have to do a lot better than that."

[@Uryvichk]

Adam Elmasri or whoever has a pretty funny video about how the Jews tricked Mohammed into proving he wasn't really a prophet and then the Quran recorded that incident while failing to understand that they'd done that. No wonder they aren't buying it, the book itself tells them their ancestors already debunked it.

[@darrennew8211]

I was having a conversation with a Jewish friend about that. He said "God is a man? Yeah, no."

[@britaom3299]

Yep! It’s not like the old testament doesn’t explicitly say that God cannot be a man! Once again, Christians don’t even read their own silly Bible!

[@ShikataGaNai100]

@@britaom3299 Actually, in one of the Psalms, God says, "I am not a man, like you."

[@Uryvichk]

It's not clear that incarnation theory is even coherent. Granted, there are Unitarian Christians who would argue that Jesus wasn't God incarnate, so it doesn't ENTIRELY torpedo Christianity, but I don't think Trinitarianism can make coherent sense of incarnation.

[@mattm8870]

@@ShikataGaNai100 What psalm is that? As I am pretty sure you taking it out of context.

[@ShikataGaNai100]

@@mattm8870 I believe it is Psalm 8, but it is all mythology anyway, so, there's that. BTW, don't assume things you know not of.

[@tzvikrasner6073]

They actually did reject him for not fullfilling certain of the prophecies. Prophecies like him being the heir to the throne. As the son of a Bas Levi (Mary), Jesus was a hereditary priest, making it illegal for him to sit on the throne. Also, Satan isn't evil in Jewish mythology, as I've said before. He's heaven's conscience. His job is to question god. Give you one guess why he became evil in christianity.

[@francesconicoletti2547]

Nothing screams this is fiction more then Jesus temptation on the mountain. The writer has written himself into a corner. The Christ is a title of an expected Judge that with great religious and military power will defeat other nations . Now obviously the writer knows that Jesus is going to do that. So he creates this scene where Jesus explicitly rejects the political dominance of other countries. Satan in his traditional role as heaven’s inquisitor. And I plus it’s bad for reasons. So now Jesus could conquer all the nations but chooses not to. So gets to keep the Christ title and behaves like he does in the rest of the gospels. And the scene is only witnessed by the two divine participants so who wrote it down ? Can I also point out how not Trinitarian this scene is.

[@tzvikrasner6073]

@@francesconicoletti2547 The scenes where Jesus is the only witness and it's still written in third person should have been flashing neon signs this was fiction.

[@bobcosgrove3235]

@@francesconicoletti2547 How could there even be a temptation. If Jesus was God there is nothing Satan could have offered him that he didn't already have.

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

So as to rip off Zoroastrianism. They wanted an Ahriman equivalent, but all they were able to crank out was a pale imitation.

[@hineraable]

The idea of Satan basically having the job of being God's conscience is so cool and it explains a lot about the book of Job. That was God's conscience legit being like "this dude ain't worth it".

[@grapeshot]

And the Gospel of John is notoriously anti-jewish. The word the Jews is said 71 times in the Gospel of John where it's only said 16 times in the synoptic Gospels. And of course it's not meant to be a term of endearment.

[@kellydalstok8900]

Every gospel was written for a specific group of people.

[@mcdonaldsorwhatevers]

John 4:22

[@britaom3299]

The Nazis certainly knew what they were doing when they put John 8:44 on billboards throughout Germany in the lead up to the holocaust. Strange, how most Christians seem to think that the Nazis were atheists who worshipped Charles Darwin . SMDH

[@lorifiedler13]

Isn't it amazing that the Hebrews were gods chosen people and then some random bloke comes around and suddenly the saviors killers. All of them. Not just one.

[@donaldnumbskull9745]

Alan could have begun to get a better grasp of the problem by not referring to 'the Old Testament'. It betrays a fundamental lack of insight.

[@luwirap]

Now I understand why even as a Christian, I find Allan condescending, why his tone makes you feel like he's talking to idiots, and why he needs to be like this. It's because he has to sound like this so that an unsuspecting viewer/listener would feel bad about themselves, feel ashamed and condemned so that when they are already vulnerable emotionally, you are more open to agree to his "ramblings" because it sounds so convincing... HAHAHAHA! It's sad because instead of his message would bring reconciliation, it's more off putting and disingenuous for someone who's critical of what he's saying. I hope more Christian people are not just blind followers and use their critical minds to actually scrutinize and analyze the messages other people says no matter how "sounds convincing" they are.

[@EdwardHowton]

I mean. He _is_ talking to idiots. Apologists always talk down to their sheep like this. It's their whole _job._ Find and talk down to idiots, and manufacture idiots if necessary. Apologists and sane people both think cultists are idiots, the difference is us sane people don't think that's _good for us_ and want to help them get smarter. Apologists exploit and disrespect their idiots, whereas people like me don't take advantage of them. You might think it's disrespectful for me to _call them_ idiots, but... look up the word in a dictionary. If shoe fits, wear it. I _still_ have more respect for them than apologists do. Con artists are nice to their victims; it makes them easier to fleece.

[@CHIMI365]

I remember i was super depressed and dealing with anxiety/ocd, i clinged onto Christianity hoping to be healed. I was critical of religion and faith healing before the traumatic event happened, i was too vulnerable at the time to think critically of possible "healing". I would watch this guy all the damn time because i thought "im not being healed because im not good enough" or "god must be punishing me with this suffering", and my favorite (not) "god is making me suffer for a reason, these s*icide attempt must be experienced so i can help another person suffering from the same thing!" So i would learn to be better in order to be enough for a good ol miracle. Its super infuriating knowing now i was being talked down to on purpose by these types of "messangers".

[@luwirap]

@@CHIMI365 those "suffering happens for a reason and its for the glory of god" thing infuriates me the most. It's very dismissive and it devalues your personal struggles and undertaking. I realized that religion feed off on your weakness for you to find strength in god and i hate that I wasted all my 30 yrs of my life believing that, when I could be either finding a better, realistic and more tangible solution to my problems or reach out to people who can help me share the burden. I was born in a strict evangelical christian family and fortunately I didnt experienced severe religious trauma. I have decided to deconstruct when slowly everything I learned about christianity starts to confuse me than to strengthen my faith. I have been in and out of the faiith for so long until i found the right time and maturity to actually understand this decision i made and that was to shed off my religion and finally live a life free of fear, demons, hell, condemnation, and other hypocricy that started to slowly reveal itself and I now deeply understands. You and I both experienced hard rock bottoms in our lives and probably still experiencing it right now. The only difference now is that, we have now in the palm of our hands to actually shape our lives the way we always wanted without being constantly reminded that we are sinners, we will go to hell or we are heathens who worship the devil. With that, i congratulate you for choosing to live another day. Make the most out of it, and maybe you'll see tommorrow that life's worth it after all. And the next day, and on the next next day. Sending you a big virtual hug. :)

[@CHIMI365]

@@luwirap thank you for your kind words and virtual hug, really needed it after the day I've had... 30 years of that is no doubt hard to deprogram (I think that's the word for it) from, you're a strong person for that! I'm just so happy to know there's such great people here, like yourself, that are able to make others feel welcomed unlike the religious who straight up tell you will go to hell for questioning or using logic.

[@de606returns6]

​@@CHIMI365I was going through something very similar to what you said a couple years ago, it was after a girl who I was tutoring had died and I was at my lowest and wanted to turn to God so I went to the local church of my own accord, I asked why would a higher power allow something like this to happen to a sweet, innocent girl like her, and they more or less said the same thing about how its all part of God's Plan and what not, it was that day I truly gave up belief, I mean, apparently, that little girl needed to die, her parents had to lose their kid, and the one responsible for her death had to live, because of God's plan, I was just done (I'm sorry if that got a little intense, what you said really moved me to talk about it though, I really do wish you the best)

[@ianmacfarlane1241]

I can't imagine anything worse than spending eternity in "heaven" with bigots like Allen.

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

Don't worry, Ahura Mazda does not let bigots into heaven. Not one rich person will EVER see anything other than the fires of hell ever again after the Frashokereti.

[@schwarzwolfram7925]

They just get teleported to North Korea. A secluded location from the rest of the world where (apparently) nothing is wrong and watched over by a "perfect" authoritarian leader.

[@withlessAsbestos]

You could spend eternity in Hell with Bigots like Hitler? Like legit that’s the other option in such a scenario.

[@3andahalf684]

@@TheMilitantMazdakitethat’s not cool either, why would all rich people burn

[@stephenkillingback2956]

Funny how the editor of the original video didn't realize the scrolls at 13:09 have a runic alphabet on them rather than Hebrew writing.

[@wrathofainz]

Scrolls stock photo fail

[@DrachenGothik666]

I pegged that & wondered about it. I guess he/she couldn't find a clip with Hebrew, found the Runic & figured the Runic was good enough for an "ancient, religious writing"?

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

Jesus didn’t seem to know there would be long gap between his appearances either, expecting it to happen within the lifetime of his apostles.

[@michaelhenry1763]

So true, so true

[@sevencrickets9258]

Look into partial preterism. The church historically held that much of Revelation and Christ coming was in reference to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, which did happen before that generation passed. This guy is just uninformed and all his arguments are bad. His criticism would not hold up to strong cross examination.

[@shldnfr]

Maybe his dad forgot to tell him. 🤔

[@WisteriaDrake]

When I brought this up to my father, he claimed that at least one of the Apostles is immortal and secretly still living, so therefore Jesus can return whenever he wants.

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

​@@WisteriaDrake That seems to be one of the most common weird beliefs that is demanded by certain denominations.

[@tonymiller3788]

Maybe the Jews rejected Jesus as the messiah simply because HE WASN'T THE MESSIAH.

[@kellydalstok8900]

He was just a naughty boy.

[@SpyderQueen1988]

​@@kellydalstok8900😂😂😂😂😂

[@Uryvichk]

If one were being intellectually honest, or if one wanted to present the BEST possible apologetic argument, that's what one would do: Find the best argument(s) one can arguing AGAINST Jesus's qualification to be the Messiah, and try to show that those don't work. The silly strawmen invented by the authors of the Gospels or Justin Martyr or whoever are not the best arguments against the scriptural basis for Christian claims. So go find the STRONGEST arguments and DEFEAT them, then people will know you're right. Gee, I wonder why Mr. Parr didn't do that...

[@DJ_Sycottic]

​@@kellydalstok8900There was a mess but no messiah..... 😂😂

[@breandan3280]

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

[@wintermute740]

Issaiah: That's the one about the messiah from an earlier Jewish doomsday cult that the Christians "borrowed," right?

[@julietfischer5056]

Which part of Isaiah? These 'prophetic' books were basically scolding editorials about the times in which they were written, not some mystical vision of the far future.

[@gmansard641]

Or, like Daniel, were written a few hundred years after the events they "predicted."

[@tomasrocha6139]

@@gmansard641 Daniel's actually written partway through so the prophecies start failing in Daniel 11:40

[@BenjaminGlatt]

There is exactly *one* good idea in the Bible. It comes straight feom Jesus Christ himself. It's literally, "always be nice to everyone." So good! Why do the Christians never mention that one?

[@Ex_christian]

Because Christians want total control of what you do in your home. Christians don’t want love, they want to spread their hate and lies.

[@mattm8870]

The funny thing is you can find this part in Leviticus 19:18.

[@goldendiamon]

He did teach to treat others as how you want to be treated and treat people with respect no matter who they are

[@OdinMagnus]

I was raised jewish and I can agree that jesus did break lots of the old testament rules, including the first 2 commandments. The messiah wasn't supposed to have "2 comings" he was supposed to come and bring salvation and peace to the land. Not stop by take notes and say "ok, cya in 50,000 years from now" lol Also, why isn't Alan a Mormon then? since it's the "newest" version of "god came and did a thing"

[@almogz9486]

Are you using the Jewish count of the commandments? Cause in that one the first one is "I am lord your god who exited you from the land of Egypt from the house of slavery" (this is a paraphrased translation from the Hebrew verse) the first commandment is declarative in judaism so you probably mean the second and third commandments You won't have other gods before me And You shall not carry the name of the lord your god in vain

[@OdinMagnus]

@almogz9486 no m the first 2. Have no other gods before me and don't make graven images. I'm not sure if Jesus kept the sabbath since the writers of his story kinda did say and kinda said he didn't. So I left that out

[@almogz9486]

@@OdinMagnus Jews count the ten commandments differently

[@OdinMagnus]

@almogz9486 yes, it's the first of 613. There are 3 places that mentioned the 10 commandments and they are all different, but the accepted ones start with have no other gods and then no idols

[@wellingboroughredburn-yd9yk]

I've asked real Jews why they don't believe in Jesus, much more enlightening than what the Bible says about why they don't believe in Jesus.

[@jennoscura2381]

Thank you for asking us. I myself am an atheist and mythicist. That's the beauty of Judaism. You can be observant and an an atheist. If you want to learn more, look up Humanistic Judaism.

[@Uryvichk]

It would have taken Allen Parr all the effort of searching Amazon or Google or something to find a book or a paper by a Jewish textual scholar or ANYTHING that would allow him to quote an actual argument by an actual Jewish person against the Christian Messianic claims. He just doesn't have the time for that!

[@EdwardHowton]

There's a really old survey that was done by..I can't remember if it was Pew or the Templeton Foundation, but they asked a bunch of general cult knowledge questions to various demographics, somewhat weighted towards christianity but with a few assorted other cults thrown in. If I'm remembering right, orthodox jews and atheists were ahead of the pack, and fundie christians did very poorly overall. The results were entirely unsurprising for pretty obvious reasons I won't go into, but christians spend more time _thumping_ their bibles than reading. Anything. At all. Ever.

[@blesper3415]

Demigods performing miracles and witches doing magic was a pretty commonly held belief in ancient cultures, so why would they assume he's the one supreme god?

[@Uryvichk]

Also, even if we accept "Only God's power can resurrect the dead," all that proves is that Jesus has God's power. Which he literally says: "It is not I that does these things, but the Father in me that does them." Where in scripture, or in the concept of an OMNIPOTENT GOD, does it state or suggest that God is incapable of delegating and investing his power in ordinary humans? Can God NOT grant someone the ability to do miracles by offering that person some of his power? Is that something we shouldn't expect God to do? Moreover, THE NEW TESTAMENT ITSELF SAYS JESUS DID THIS WITH HIS DISCIPLES. Whether or not one believes Jesus was supposed to be God in the Gospels (he wasn't), his disciples definitely weren't, yet they were invested with the power to heal and raise the dead and such too. Does that mean Peter was God? Has anyone EVER claimed that Peter must have been God? No, they say he had been invested with the power of the Holy Spirit, exactly as (more or less) Jesus supposedly claimed.

[@manuelbaez7148]

brother you are truly one of the best, expose these charlatans, the pain & harm they cause means nothing to them

[@heiyuall]

Considering his previous behavior it doesn’t surprise me at all that alan’s also antisemitic. Truly toxic person.

[@lisacook8235]

Why do they all give off an identical air of invincible impenetrable smugness?

[@HoneyTone-TheSearchContinues]

Texas sharpshooter fallacy from within an echo chamber with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. A.k.a. preaching to the choir. 😂

[@francesconicoletti2547]

Because anything else leads to the slippery slope toward agnosticism.

[@fyl24]

I've been waiting for this from the time I saw Alan's video. I mean how presumptious. Ignorance parading as knowledgeable

[@dwaneanderson8039]

I don't know how you can stand to watch Parr's videos. He's insufferable.

[@keano1457]

this is the funniest, most insightful and overall the best comment you will ever read in your life. sure, its just a symbolic placeholder for now, but trust me, i will edit it with my second coming to this video and all the people who doubted it will be sooo shocked and amazed, so just have faith and upvote.

[@Crazed3raser337]

I believe, upvote given

[@isidoreaerys8745]

🥹 best comment of my life. Really brings a tear to my eye.

[@raultrashlord4404]

I'm taking a hit of my DMT cart rn

[@Zahaqiel]

Allen's not just citing a few verse references, claiming Jesus fulfilled them and then taking a victory lap. _He's also taking a victory lap for all the prophecies Jesus _*_didn't_*_ fulfil by claiming absolutely that they _*_are_*_ going to be fulfilled in the future._ You know, even though Jesus has already failed _his own_ prediction about his second coming. A real crawling up your own arse solution to uncertainty. (Also let's not even comment on all the times Jesus said _not to_ worship him, and that you should worship his father in Heaven instead _who is greater than him_ but hey, inconvenient facts shouldn't get in the way of a good story about someone else's story, right?)

[@valivali8104]

Well, every book in bible contradicts each other...

[@withlessAsbestos]

@@valivali8104Find a contradiction between Song of Solomon and Jonah.

[@valivali8104]

@@withlessAsbestos song of Solomon is erotic poetry which was originally about local version of Istar and her lover, book of Jonah is satire about hebrews' want for blood-thirsty god of older scriptures.

[@Reason1717]

So I asked some of my Christian friends this question "If you saw a Muslim raise some one from the dead (knowing for sure they had died), what would you think? Of the five I asked four said "Demons raised the person not Allah." I expected their answers to be along this vain.

[@pansepot1490]

Yeah, Jews didn’t accept Jesus same as Christians didn’t accept Joseph Smith.

[@hackman669]

Each started a new religious movement. 😁

[@d.o.m.494]

They don't even understand their own religion.

[@lutek1]

As always, Alan pretty much can read any verse in any chapter from any book of any part of the bible and make it say ANYthing he wants it to say.

[@deniceeverham9467]

You nailed the real problem with Christianity. I always compare with other religions which have strict control of who teaches their doctrine. They require years of study and practice and some realization before they can teach. Christianity has no qualifications. No quality control. Any con can declare himself a teacher , start a church, pick and choose from the Bible and collect money tax free. The perfect storm.

[@withlessAsbestos]

Ikr? I’m a Christian, and this guy is spouting Nonsense. Claiming that there is no precedent for a second coming of Messiah in the Old Testament. Daniel has a whole 70 weeks thing that describes two instances of the coming Messiah.

[@01Aigul]

Is it weird that you have to figure out all the prophecies like a poorly designed escape room? Or like God is a first time DM who made the puzzles way too vague and gets pissed off when the party can't figure them out?

[@davidhoffman6980]

Christians: "After seeing a resurrection, the Jews started plotting behind closed doors. We know this because the book of John tells us." Also Christians: "The gospels are eye witness testimony."

[@isidoreaerys8745]

😂😂😂😂

[@withlessAsbestos]

Not like John knew in Pharisees… (Nicodemus and Paul)

[@davidhoffman6980]

@@withlessAsbestos what do you mean?

[@darwinskeeper421]

I'd really love to see what would really happen if a real GOD existed, if he decided to contact a few humans to go to churches, mosques and temples and tell the people inside that the religions they adhere to are false, perform REAL miracles (beyond managing to leave a building full of angry believers unharmed) and talking about how the most important thing is to have compassion for others. I imagine if a group of men started doing this all over the world, they would succeed in uniting people of all faiths into hating them, and Allen Parr would be calling for their death for blaspheming his God.

[@chadnorris8257]

"Can you imagine a Christian converting to a new religion because some guy came along and said it was revealed to him that the Bible means something other than what it says?" Given how Mormonism didn't take over as the main form of Christianity in the US, I'd say most Christians wouldn't convert. Conservative religious leaders are extremely resistant to change. Especially anything that rocks the boat too quickly. We see it happen today, and I guarantee it happened back then too. It's not a bug. It's a feature.

[@krismcdaniel2858]

Granted, I grew up in a more liberal (Episcopalian, more Catholic) church than so many, but there was something talked about there I never hear among Evangelicals, the three day ritual. Now, back then, I was taught, sometimes people were entombed or buried who were thought to be dead, but really weren't. And this does go more toward the story of Lazarus than Jesus. The women would return to the tomb after three days to not only do the rituals surrounding death, but to make sure they were really dead. I'm willing to bet, Lazarus wasn't really dead. Also, with coffins, they would put a string in the coffin attached to a bell that the "dead" person could pull if they suddenly woke up and decided they didn't want to be there anymore. I thought this was interesting and in certain places, still practiced.

[@amandaross7618]

Thank you, Zod. I really liked this response video. I'd love some more of this as well.

[@ShikataGaNai100]

Oh, I got a "Holy Place" that Alan can anoint, right here!

[@bodan1196]

When christians look in the mirror they see God, not themself.

[@kellydalstok8900]

The voice in their head they mistake for god’s is their own.

[@庫倫亞利克]

Epley has an experiment where MRI shows when theists think about "what would God do in this scenario" the region in their brain that gets activated is the same region as "what would I do in this scenario." They're *literally* staring into a mirror when they think they see God.

[@darrennew8211]

@@庫倫亞利克 Yeah, but if you say "What would Fred do in this situation" it's the same thing. The mirror neurons are the ones that fire when you clench your fist *or* when you see someone else clench their fist.

[@hackman669]

Interesting, I see 👀 my ancestor Neandertal the Mighty. 😇

[@TrappyJenkins]

So their hearts were hardened by god, taking away their free will?

[@vincentcomeau7844]

Just like the exodus pharaoh after the 4th plague, because gawd really really really wanted to do the 10th one.

[@VSPhotfries]

I am upset that I was the 68th like on this video, not the 69th.

[@alyssahallister]

As far as I know, Allen hasn't given all his money to the poor, so even if the Bible was 100% true, then when he dies, Jesus is going to say "I don't know you." to Allen and cast him out. Why should anyone look to Allen for advice when his own book says he's not going to heaven?

[@spankduncan1114]

The Jews rejected Jesus for the same reason I did. It sounds like a bullshit story.

[@jonsturgill8868]

The whole story defies logic and reason.

[@withlessAsbestos]

@@jonsturgill8868…

[@iluvtacos1231]

It is some kind of bold to start your list off with "they were too dumb to get it".

[@Color-Painter-Blue]

Theist: "When Jesus came he gave overwhelming Evidence....!" And as soon as he vanished all that supposed Evidence vanished with him. And whats left? Only Stories about it written in a Book! (aka. Claims) Christianity is weird! :P

[@solomonverrico]

I feel like Allen Parr's true calling was in being a sports announcer for local golf games but getting kicked out for being too loud. And also not being associated with any relevant entity. Just kinda there.

[@xwing2417]

He really is too loud.

[@cynicalsayonara7169]

Lol, this is really specific.

[@watcher235711]

This is really a small thing, but Mr. Parr's video clip of scrolls...what are those letters? Are those runes? Why didn't the Jews become Druids - that's the real question! Seriously, love this channel. 🙂

[@Zictomorph]

Yup, it's a classic. If you don't believe like me, it's because of your sin and calloused heart. Ehrman parallels Christianity splitting from Judaism to the same reason Christians of today rejected David Koresh. I think that's a great image.

[@ShikataGaNai100]

Just guessing here, but I think they rejected Jesus because he doesn't the real?

[@francesconicoletti2547]

Not being real doesn’t stop most gods from being accepted. Including Jesus unfortunately. But yeah, if the gospels were totally made up a generation or more after the events they purport to depict no one at the alleged time of Jesus’s life would have known of him.

[@gpwdog]

I think Christian's unwillingness to see other people's perspective on religion is what brought me to become an atheist. I was in a christian school and they taught me how terrible and evil everyone else was, as if Christianity was the most obvious choice and others just had hard hearts and were stubborn. I was even told when i asked what about people who have never been exposed to it. I got this repsonse: "they have the opportunity to see god in nature. So no excuses" But like how can it be the christian god if they had no exposure to what jesus even is? I began questioning a lot of this. And simultaneously heard a lot of hatful crap like how babies deserve to burn in hell and they'd tell us constantly we dont deserve God's love because were all pieces of shit, they literally used that word too. All While simultaneously saying how rightous they were. It pushed me away and made me question things.

[@mvfusion]

Strangely enough, this is exactly the question I've been mulling over for the last two weeks with no satisfactory resolution. Looking forward to watching this.

[@gregoryrosenberg106]

The message of his last point is very insidious. The characterization of Jews specifically (not just any non-Christian. Who knows what it would say if Islam existed before Christianity) as people with “hard hearts” and the accusation of deicide are the pillars on which Christian antisemitism stands. He likely doesn’t make the distinction between real life Jews and the Jews in the Bible because he doesn’t think there is one, since obviously he thinks the Bible is true. He’s arguing that Jews in real life have hard hearts and revel in the death of Jesus with the Bible as his basis. It’s sick, but the scary part is that it is actually what the Bible says. An antisemitic Christian is a consistent and intellectually honest Christian, sadly.

[@CafeteriaCatholic]

As history has proven time and time again.

[@hank_says_things]

Allen Parr shouts so much I have to wonder if he doesn't know what microphones do.

[@enzoarayamorales7220]

It’s strange how much religious people disregard the complexities of religious belief in general no matter what religion

[@ZachariahWiedeman]

This is why Mormonism is the perfect foil to Evangelical arguments about Jews "rejecting" all the new revelations of Jesus Christ. I'm always like, "Okay, so then why do you reject Joseph Smith?"

[@Ploskkky]

Alan Parr is unbelievably ignorant about his own faith, and his own holy book. I say "unbelievably" because I wonder whether this is real ignorance, or just typical apologetic corruption.

[@domecrack]

When I figured out what it says on his coffee shop I wanted to throw my phone.

[@tornay131]

People who think they're always right can't empathize.

[@berg450]

The funny thing is that a lot of Jewish people did convert to Christianity, during the early days of the Roman Empire there was a lot of conversion of Pagans to Judaism which was seen by the Romans as a threat to their national religious practices. There were as many as seven million Jewish people living in the Roman Empire at the time, which is a huge number of people for the 1st century. Much of the anti-Christian rhetoric of the Roman Empire was aimed at religious groups who worshiped privately and in an un-Roman fashion and Christians were just seen as another group of Jewish people. Many Jewish people did not convert because of the incredible amount of discrimination by Christians who couldn't comprehend why they didn't convert. This discrimination and dysphoria across Europe created an pseudo identity, intragroup connections, and an external force pushing them deeper into the community.

[@hypotheticalaxolotl]

4:10 "Prophecies of when the Messiah will come in Daniel-" Are we still doing phrasing...?

[@vivahernando1]

I’ve seen Rabbi Tovia Singer point out that there is no reference of two “comings” in the Hebrew Bible. This is literally Joseph Smith and Mormonism

[@OldMotherLogo]

Parr can’t get his Biblical facts straight. Where in the New Testament did Jesus tell people they should worship him? He didn’t.

[@clemstevenson]

Where is the supporting evidence for any of Jesus Christ's alleged 'miracles'? Where is the supporting evidence for any of Jesus Christ's alleged words? In reality, the biblical accounts are nothing more than unproven claims made about Jesus Christ, and they were written down at a later time. I have no reason whatsoever to unquestioningly accept such unsubstantiated assertions.

[@jrt4927]

I mean, Alan does this already I’m sure…with mormons. He gets it. It’s just disingenuous because if someone can reject his faith for reasonable skepticism, it means that’s an option and he can’t have that.

[@nw42]

Even if you look at it entirely within a conventional Christian worldview: the Old Testament gives warnings about false prophets, and about those who would claim God’s power as their own. For example, Moses-after having supposedly led the Hebrews out of bondage and through the desert-was condemned to die without seeing the promised land, because he took credit for a miracle which God worked through him. Purely from an OT perspective, a guy showing up and taking credit for miracles would be incredibly suspect.

[@ambersummer2685]

Christians: Ah yes God bless the Jews! God’s holy people Jews: Jesus is a false prophet! Christians: Oh dare you! Repent or you’ll go to hell! How could you say such a thing?😭