Why Collei is more POWERFUL than she looks!

[@jamiekb9v]

link to my kokomi guide: docs.google.com/document/d/1sNegiVgF1u3HJVyvqQL9wCdWSY9GVzrzu4PwEOz5564/edit?usp=sharing Damn I forgot to also mention that Collei's burst hits EVERY enemy in it's range CONSTANTLY, which is great for full dendro app consistency and coverage. Traveler hits enemies randomly. And as mentioned always take nilou tc and maths with a grain of salt! In game testing experience > theory

[@AviDoodle]

Collei is such a great character. I always had a soft spot for her since I like her design more than most other Sumeru chars. I'm enjoying using her in my Nilou team now!

[@NotAName1]

Ayyy, that was my post from r/NilouMains at the beginning. Never would have imagined that it would (very partially) inspire such an in depth response! So much good information, you really can feel the frontloaded damage with Collei's 2H2D teams. One other advantage in Collei's favor vs Nahida in quicken is that you can still swirl electro at any point during your rotation with Collei. Nahida's 1.5U dendro application can eat up electro auras and leave your anemo units nothing to swirl. You can get around it by timing this just right (and I believe C6 Fischl can help).... or you can just use Collei for a way smoother experience.

[@jamiekb9v]

Hope the vid was helpful! And in regards to the quicken auras, personally I don't find it much of an issue, given the Keqing teams I play always group and swirl with kazuha before using Nahida. In these setups it's never an issue although I know it can definitely be a problem for some players

[@NotAName1]

@@jamiekb9v It was! Instant sub. Getting my Collei to lvl 90 asap so I can give this team a better try

[@GruntSquad92]

When Sumeru released I went with Collei instead of DMC, knowing/thinking I objectively and deliberately made the worse decision in terms of game efficiency. But as I was playing her I did vaguely feel the things you mentioned here, which is probably why I still play Collei despite having built my DMC by now. And this vid spelled out the vague feelings I had in crystal clear fashion. It really made me appreciate her! Thank you so much for the vid!

[@noire664]

I do agree with everything you said in this video. Theorcrafting and calculations will always tell you the same old in my opinion. "Sara is bad, don't use her" even though you SEE and FEEL the huge damage buff she gives electro characters. I personally run her a lot more than Fischl and find a better time clearing anything in Abyss. And I'm sure the same applies to Collei even if I don't have Nilou for now. You can see in clips and videos that the moment Collei takes the field the amount of cores on-field accelerates greatly. It's really nice to see fresh, new ideas being uploaded lately rather than the same old "kazuha bennett unga bunga" and "spreadsheets" routine.

[@jamiekb9v]

Glad you resonanted with the content! If u want to see more about Sara, I uploaded a vid last month called "Aggravate is not "carried" by Fischl".

[@noire664]

@@jamiekb9v Ah, I did watch that yeah. I also agreed with the points there. Great video.~

[@jp754]

As someone who just makes abyss run videos using Collei for the fun of it; I still get faster results than most other meta abyss showcase teams. Nice video

[@jamiekb9v]

Yup the speeds are great. And actually I was watching your collei quicken deck vids recently!

[@f2pkeqing]

I really hope that Collei will appear on Raiden/Ayato rerun. So that even if I fail to get Sara's C6, I most likely will get Collei's C2 🤭

[@jamiekb9v]

a raiden sara collei banner would be the dream for real

[@Playerpoi]

Some people are saying the 4 stars are Sara, Yunjin and Rosaria. But Collei would be fun.

[@gamingwithadz4210]

@@Playerpoi i got collei on ei banner

[@SomeoneSayOri]

It's ungodly how lucky I am to I have C4 Collei without pulling on the Tighnari/Zhongli banner. Hope all Collei enjoyers can snipe her cons off standard/off-banner pulls! (and Collei banner soon Prayge)

[@taikobo6943]

Just watched this and the Sara video, really opened my eyes. Please keep making such great and refreshing content

[@jamiekb9v]

yup! is this taiko from wfp by any chance

[@taikobo6943]

@@jamiekb9v lmao yes it is

[@jamiekb9v]

@@taikobo6943 cool thanks for watching! And yea, I plan to make more vids like these

[@themaidenarcanamia1249]

I use Collei in my main team despite having Nahida. I just really like her playstyle and skills. I'm trying to main her besides Razor

[@Miphera]

What's the other Dendro unit you usually use with Collei?

[@tinocabral4201]

@@Miphera I assume it was probably Dendro MC

[@KokomiClan]

Collei is absolutely amazing! I love her as well especially at the C0 (low budget end) and in AOE teams with Nilou. I think a lot of people miss the fact that her Floral Kitty and Nilou's ring is super useful when hugging single target bosses! It is only with C2 Nilou and C6 Yelan that Collei falls off, though most people don't need to worry about that.

[@nefylia4037]

I really like this perspective! I definitely notice that a lot of the damage I get with Nilou teams happens with Nahida on field attacking, but I see the value in the extra flexibility. I should consider trying this out!

[@Aegis_Runestone]

I am glad I invested and got C6 Collei when I could. She uses Elegy instead and she's on my Aggravate team. :) She buffs Kazuha's EM, Keqing's EM, and her C2 is amazing. My Keqing has never been more powerful. Also, I read the manga, and when I saw her playable character and I felt the 1/100th feeling of proud father watching his daughter grow. I refuse to replace Collei, and she's always been a powerful support to my Keqing. Being the main character (practically) of the manga and the fact she was already popular long before being playable is probably why Collei got such awesome constellations. ... I adopted her as my daughter, leveled her to 90 and triple-crowned her within weeks of her appearance. I'm sad she hasn't appeared as promoted 4* character on the character banners. Fortunately, she can still be picked up off Standard, Weapon, and Character banners if you lose the 4* 75/25 to her, which is pretty hard, but according to Paimon.moe (combined with the 2 free Colleis), I have C10 Collei. Which means I've pulled her 8 times--2 of them being in 3.2/3.3. Anyway, I'm glad you made this video. Love for my daughter is well needed.

[@themasterflexG]

I feel like the issue with her boomerang hit box is blown way out of proportion. Yes, it looks like it should have been precise and comparatively makes less sense that other means of dendro applications, but with how dendro works, it barely matters. She wasn’t designed with on field dps build in mind in the first place. The only real issue about her for me is that DMC is a lot cheaper to raise, as most would have their mc raised anyway. Now that I have Nilou, I finally have a reason to spend my resources on my c6 collei.

[@rainischalk-late3540]

I agree with everything in this video except for Collei being the new “kujou Sara”. The reason people are using Sara is likely because she’s C6, her C6 is very very broken and could buff both Keqing and Raidens damage so of course people would put her in those teams because she’s C6 whereas Collei is still very good at C0.

[@你是有缘人]

I got her to c6 in Furina banner. Now building her as your great advice leads. Thank you so much for your motivation 🙏🏻❤

[@koalatealeaf]

Wish I hadn't watched this video, now I gotta go hunt down a million of her mushrooms. Great video, thanks for explaining so well!

[@Shilag]

My only problem with Collei is how clunky her skill feels to use. It feels like it has one of the longest start-up windows of any skill, so you can't dodge or swap off her for such a long time, which leaves her very vulnerable. It's also just really awkward to use on uneven terrain, which doesn't matter for abyss, but anywhere else the boomerang barely hits anything. I don't know why they made the vertical hitbox so slim.

[@serulu3490]

Very good video. there really is something about hitting enemies around you in an AoE situation. it makes things way better in practice, collei e and xiangling pyronado are prime examples

[@fierypickles4450]

I love collei and you inspired me to move away from meta and appreciate her more. Thanks my G

[@vystaria]

nilou teams are absolutely crazy literally slot her in any abyss and it's easy - was able to easily kill geo Wolford with her too in this abyss, nilou bloom is just so good lmao

[@jamiekb9v]

oh hey I watch ur tcg stuff! 🖐

[@vystaria]

@@jamiekb9v ohhhh 😳 lmaooo that's cooll, I've always watched your nilou speedruns, I used one of em as reference for my own speedruns! 👌

[@Dubstep_Gun]

"Always take Nilou maths with grain of salt" I would...If those maths ever existed 🙃

[@justchica3243]

This was so interesting! Thank you for sharing

[@rsfakqj10rsf-33]

So, to sum it up: Flexibility and Frontloading. The more dendro teams appear the more I adore the way Mihoyo makes this element. Every dendro characters have their own use and can never be truly replaced by another.

[@jamiekb9v]

not just those two but portability as well

[@rsfakqj10rsf-33]

@@jamiekb9v I consider Portability a form of Flexibility too

[@axezero9334]

I also like how she has no er issues compared to dmc. Her burst is cheaper and c1 gives her free er

[@Ben_Mason]

i feel like 2d2h is good in the sense that it's easily accessible and you reach the ceiling very quickly and easily as in you just play that team comp(nilou,kokomi,nahida,collei), the advantage in 3h1d is for shields that require hydro and a lot of hydro's have a lot of personnel damage at high invest, for example with Yelan/furina/nilou/nahida, if you have those characters well built and c6 you will be able to create close to 40k blooms(even with yelan and furina on dps sets), sure you will have reduced bloom creation as it's 3h1d and you will need to constantly swap to nahida to keep the blooms coming, but nahida/yelan/furina will do a ton of personnel damage on top and sometimes people forget about this aspect and focus purely on the blooms.

[@dendenmushi9714]

People don't pay enough attention to Nilou in the NA community so Collei neglect isn't surprising. I was dubious of Nilou initially in 3.1despite her speedrunning performance and wanted to see how consistent she may look in subsequent abyss. Was surprised and not so. From a design perspective she is designed like Ayaka outside frontload, so any abyss Ayaka shine Nilou does too. But Nilou went beyond even phase where Ayaka isn't great Nilou still shine. I honestly believe she's like an upgraded version (she doesn't even have the boss drop out Ayaka has due to freeze and Blizzard Strayer weakness) and more F2P Ayaka now especially when she was prefered in 3.1 an abyss where Ayaka was good. Just like Ganyu, I honestly don't expect Ayaka to pass Nilou in usage anymore. I'm pretty sure she deserve being called top meta unit although with more character addition some may drop lower. Say, I haven't paid attention to the CN side since a while. Can you tell me what they think of Cyno, Nilou and Wanderer right now? Also how does Nilou compare with Ayaka in speedrun when counting C6 Ayaka-Shenhe? I remember a clear with C0 Nilou-Nahida at 33s while C6 Ayaka-Shenhe was 32s. It was in 3.1 How does Nilou perform with peak investment against Ayaka peak?

[@jamiekb9v]

CN opinions on cyno and scaramouche seem to be about similar to global thoughts. Except they were a lot faster to understand Cyno's design for hyperbloom. But I don't have any personal opinions on them since i hard skipped them. Nilou is seen as very top tier at all investment levels. for casual players she took free teammates to meta levels by herself, allowing almost any team for team 2. for competitive, low and mid budget her bloom teams have been strong every cycle, and whale budget she replaced mona in yelan vape, which is top1-2 in whale speedruns every cycle since yelan came out.

[@dendenmushi9714]

@@jamiekb9v Current community is a bit all over the place for Cyno and Wanderer. Some believe believe them to be Raiden-Ayaka-HuTao status with a Cyno clearing Matrix close to as fast as Hyper Raiden in 3.1 and Scara C0 as a hypercarry keeping up with Hyper Raiden too. There are some who even using Hyperbloom Cyno still lose to Keqing in speedrun and Wanderer being compared to Xiao in ST. So a bit more highlight will be helpful. Did Nilou replace Mona in Vape Yelan? How? Pretty sure C4 Mona is a bigger boost that what Nilou can provide to Yelan. Also you said low and Dolphin investment so I take it Bloom doesn't scale well at whale territory. I guess the Ayaka and Nilou run I saw was fluck.

[@jamiekb9v]

@@dendenmushi9714 I can't recall any abyss gameplay where cyno or wanderer teams keeps up with raiden hypercarry? also nilou has key of khaj nisut and a 2 stage nuke herself

[@dendenmushi9714]

@@jamiekb9v It wasn't a continuous speedrun more like a single chamber run. Against the matrix in NGA saw a hyper Raiden run at 24-25 s and Cyno being close to it. For Wanderer its a new video here on KZbin I can send the link. The Raiden wasn't played but it still part of community perception. Just the Key and nothing else from con is what I mean. Just the key was enough to overpower C4 Mona?

[@dendenmushi9714]

@@jamiekb9v Here: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/haC5qYd-jsipn80

[@ArielGoV]

Impressive guide, thank you very much! On a side note, please justify all the text of your master document on kokomi haha

[@KokomiClan]

I read your Kokomi guide. The anti-synergy between Kokomi and Nilou is partly solved with Kokomi C2 and also helps you avoid to i-frame dendro core explosions in cases where Nahida's health is below 50%. I also feel a bit of coverage for her physical damage teams (38K OHC procs) could be added (AOE phys team with Fischl/Rosaria/Kokomi/flex. Shenhe can also replace Rosaria).

[@jamiekb9v]

Oh thanks for reminding me! I don't recommend full stacking EM anymore so those sections can be tweaked. For the teams, I went for quality > quantity so not all the niche teams are going to be covered.

[@KokomiClan]

@@jamiekb9v Hmmn, full stacking EM on her does seem like it falls off. I have observed that in Single Target it is better to stick to her traditional build: Kokomi with Flower of Paradise (EM/EM/Healing): Blooms: 37860 | 38229 | 38598 | 38967 Kokomi with Traditional OHC (HP/Hydro/Healing): Blooms: 24818 OHC: [Standby: 20017] Full: 27999 [RIP the CAP] Normals: 16495 | 15532 | 17317 | 16278 Of course, the normals benefit from Nilou's C2 xD. In multiple waves of AOE (i.e. highest chance to trigger Nahida C2, her EM build seems preferred. Otherwise, for most cases, OHC seems to work its magic)

[@GladwinNewton]

Glad I sniped her on zhongli banner ( Ik she was free after the event, wanted to play her ASAP )

[@harorudo0816]

Woah didn't know she can give more em than Nahida, I have her at C6 and my Elegy isnt being used. Is it worth building her up if I already have Traveler and Nahida built ?

[@vivekp4854]

I got her to c4 from pulling on standard banner, will try building her now.

[@anneonyme213]

How does the math with Nilou now changes? Let's say, in a Nilou/Barbara/Nahida/Collei: - Is it better to take Yaoyao instead of Collei? - Is it better to take Yaoyao instead Barbara? And then take Yelan instead? Which option is better?

[@nihilnothings000]

Insightful video jamie, this is convincing me to build Collei over DMC. Though is it fine if my Collei is just C1?

[@jamiekb9v]

yep c1 loses sustain vs c2 but still good

[@Nekufan1000000]

I'm not going to lie, I pulled Nahida and Nilou on this recent banner, yes both of them, and I immediately thought, "Damn, I'm going to make a Nilou, Nahida, Collie, Yelan bloom team. I have no idea how meta that is, but Yelan is my best hydro unit right now, and obviously, I need Nilou in there for the bountiful cores. Nahida is a given because I am going to make her a mainstay in every team for no reason, and Collei's just precious." I had no idea people would say Collei isn't good. I used her once at like level ...20? I'm AR55 now, and I found her ult to be superior to the Dendro Traveler's instantly. It was just that her skill was a little weird and awkward to use, frequently hitting nothing. But if I run her in a team where she's just battery and ult for other characters, she'd have more consistent proccs than the traveler. I'm just ... really slow at leveling characters up.

[@jamiekb9v]

A tip, you will probably need to replace either yelan or collei with a healer!

[@gachacaspa]

I do feel there is defo flexibility with her dendro application, and i think her burst is generally very good. I have her built c0 atm and she does okay. I dislike travellers inconsistency with his burst exploding as burgeon and tbh i dislike his skill. Compared to amber she is a much better pick as free 4 star char given to us

[@midwestairway]

elegy and decent EM boosts, Collei is good.

[@thuaners]

i have a question. Is Collei also just as good in aggravate? Would she be alright as the solo dendro applicator? id like to make an aggravate team for my Lisa, and my Nahida is being used in my hyperbloom team.

[@jamiekb9v]

not as good in aggravate than bloom cause aggravate usually uses 1 dendro character which is usually nahida, whereas bloom usually has 2. but she will be alright for you, you can try her out!

[@thuaners]

@@jamiekb9v thank you! :)

[@0xiconicsoul52]

I should’ve seen this sooner

[@babarro5450]

I have a question, Who's the best slot in team Nilou Nahida Kokomi(driver) DMC or Collie? Because I have DMC at lvl70/80 but Collie lvl1, Can i build Collie to swap DMC for more power?

[@jamiekb9v]

collei is stronger. but your choice if you want to build her

[@CloudyCora]

I’m using a klee burgeon team with kirara and kokomi so would collei or dmc be better? Both are c5

[@CloudyCora]

Btw if someone can recommend a better team comp that would be nice since I’m considering using sucrose to swirl hydro

[@Paiasoo]

Can Collei C0 still be viable in Nilou Bloom team?

[@aimerrc2721]

"... Nahida needs another character to apply dendro, so she can herself re-apply dendro with her own skill." Can someone explain that to me. I think Nahida is self-sufficent, since once a dendro reaction takes place, her mark deals dendro damage, therefor reapplying the dendro aura, Or em I missing something?

[@jamiekb9v]

her damage over time skill needs a reaction for it to activate. it cant activate itself

[@stevenreasontreason]

I also use her in my Alhaitham teams. To me, she just is so much better. She has an AOE dendro application, flexible, and applies dendro for my Furina. I do have Nahida, but she is benched. I hate the way she plays, I hate her kit.

[@SnipeOSRS]

What up, king. Do you know if collei's c6 procs an additional spread proc or no?

[@jamiekb9v]

Yes it should

[@ChaosRune]

Kind of hard to take this seriously when most of it is "dont trust the math guys, just trust me bro"

[@kurousagi23]

Do you think Collei be viable if I dont have a Kokomi? (Nilou - Nahida - Yelan - Collei)

[@jamiekb9v]

yes but not in that team, because bloom teams take a lot of recoil damage you would need to replace either yelan or collei with a healer like barbara or yaoyao

[@Cadmun]

I have her C6 and level 20🤫

[@K0R0_CHAN]

Bloom is so hella easy to kill everything its almost revolting, my nilou, kokomi, collei and kirara who are all unbuilt can shred enemy hp quicker than my fully built teams, of course not all types of enemies are easy to kill considering strengths and weaknesses but still most enemies are easy to kill than my built team, but i still cant finish abyss 12 perfectly with my bloom team again, because of enemy types

[@HaliBerry22]

Bruh, I did my first high crit with Nilou, it was 15k

[@anyaaa2801]

Like you said, tabibito is free, has free obtainable constellations and is already ready to fight so I don't see any reason to lvl up collei + future dendro 4 stars are coming.