Why Darth Vader Never Used His Upgraded Suit - Star Wars Explained

[@Cascade92]

This is honestly my favorite star wars channel. It gives information, and also makes the video long enough for ads without feeling like hes repeating himself. Something literally ever other channel struggles with.

[@daniellynch7038]

For real they’ll say the same stuff over and over again. And if that wasn’t bad enough, they say the same stuff over and over again. This guys good

[@theinvisary3388]

He also can't make a part 3 of what if qui gon jin trained anakin

[@recon_jon6151]

The suit that Vader is in cannot be made any more iconic.. it's perfect.

[@T1Top]

Sidious was afraid that Vader would over throw him, he didn’t even train with Darth Vader cause he was terrified that he would be much more skilled and powerful.

[@BobbyJoe24.]

I kinda think Vader over threw him anyways lol

[@thomasthetank827]

@@BobbyJoe24. when? At his death?

[@thomasthetank827]

Canon shows us that he was not afraid of vader. He was afraid of vaders offspring, luke, and his potential.

[@BobbyJoe24.]

@@thomasthetank827 lol it was supposed to be a joke cause he actually threw him 😂😂

[@thomasthetank827]

@@BobbyJoe24. well done , I wasn't sure, but i could have been quicker to realize myself lol

[@jeremydodds7596]

I really don't know why all the comics and storytellers say Vader couldn't survive out of his suit.. There are several instances where he's out of the suit, in a bacta tank.. Or in his meditation chamber with his breathing apparatus off.. His meditation chamber was pressurized.. Meaning, he could breathe freely Inside it, without the respirator..

[@jeremydodds7596]

He also could empower himself in the force to sustain his life without the apparatus.. It was souly a choice, to keep him in constant rage

[@scottyk1763]

"He will die if he leave the suit" Yet he is chilling in a bacta tank on numerous occasions...

[@05goode]

Yeah there’s no way he couldn’t have changed suits

[@rrcccc]

In truth... in Legends, Vader did upgrade his suit. This is something that is in contrast to the comics. In the Rise of Vader, Darth Vader is damaged while pursuing an ex-Jedi. He is offered assistance in doing the repairs and upgrades by Palpatine. Vader however makes it clear that he will be making his own upgrades. It is the first time that Vader stands up to Palpatine. It was however the advanced suit that put him at risk. It would have allowed him to use force lightning... but would have required putting his life in someone else's hand and dying temporarily. This he did not do. And it is clear that Palpatine held an advantage over him with that weakness in place. This part is assumed as it is not clarified in Legends

[@izzymaedavidson1974]

This is where the fun begins

[@ericthompson3982]

He's been out of his suit on several occasions, suspended in bacta. I think it's more the combination of wanting to maintain his rage and not wanting to give Palpatine another opportunity to find more thought out ways to control him.

[@stephenshw2262]

Na its just poor writing if Vader got a new suit they will have to retconn the entire first three SW movies

[@lp2618]

@@stephenshw2262 well when it comes to darth vader and sith immortality you have to wonder how he did survive with the suit the way it is and not the way it was as a result of the changes and he used a tank on a few occasions that others didn't anticipate which is why they weren't able to catch him. Thats one of the reasons why the newest movie is not all that accurate because the script was written after he didnt have those attachments that atlantis had so he would have been able to fight and fly much better and his suit was way too big and he couldn't breathe properly in it so the vast majority of his fights were not that great even though his skills were fairly high and looked decent for what we know him to be capable of.

[@macwelch8599]

Darth Vader should’ve made his armor immune to Sith Lightning

[@thomasthetank827]

Is there such a thing in star wars yet? It wouldn't matter anyway, sidous has shown us that he can destroy vader limb from limb. With just the force. He does this after empire strikes back

[@darthsion8081]

I don’t think anything is full on immune to force lightning. The thing is however, is that how would he do that without papa palp learning of it and punishing him

[@thomasthetank827]

@@darthsion8081 yea it's not something vader would even bother himself with. In secrets of the sith palpatine mentions that even the greatest sith lords are not immune to it. So it seems only a lightsaber will defend against it, or, how yoda handled it

[@OrsvikEnnin]

If Vader had an upgraded super suit there would be no stopping him. Even Palpatine would be helpless against the might of Lord Vader.

[@forevertj]

The "fact" that Vader's suit caused him agony is a retcon. That never ever was mentioned until the 21st century.

[@ericgardner3140]

the constant agony was what gave him such power over the Dark Side. His hatred and pain is all he has, and it feeds his connection to the Dark Side.

[@theaterlightman89]

I believe a fallen Skywalker is called a skycrawler

[@TheEml25]

Groundcrawler

[@aaronhailey7313]

I believe Vader stayed in his suit as a constant self punishment. A second by second reminder of his most critical failures. It kept him in pain but it also kept him focused. As you’ve said the pain increased his connection with the dark side and may have made up, in part, for what he lost on Mustafar. Lord Vader may have been more physically agile in a new suit but any relief would have potentially allowed him peace. Peace is not the Dark Side way. As broken as he was Vader needed the suit to keep him close to the dark side to repress Anakin from re-emerging, especially after he learned of Luke.

[@batofkrypton9765]

Great thoughts

[@venkelos6996]

I was waiting for the "he can now exit the suit, and bathe in bacta" part. While I personally would have upgraded the suit, and would have liked to see Vader do do, I guess I can see where his turning disadvantages into strength is a sound strategy. I don't mind saying that Terry McGinnis is my favorite Batman, and that's in part because of the tech-suit; I have always hated the insistence of Justice League to make Batman fight enemies that give Superman or Wonder Woman trouble, when his own usual problems aren't superhuman, because "he's Batman!", and his prep time shenanigans can beat the likes of Black Adam, somehow. Still, while I often wished he'd finish ripping off Iron Man, and move up to a power suit, I do feel I understand why he didn't; he didn't want to depend on the enhancements, and lose his own edge, or get into fights he couldn't win if something technical went wrong. He had to know his own limits, and plan around them; know his reaction times, and the results. Power armor could put barriers up that would make this mote difficult, and add variables he didn't want. I liketo think Vader could be in a similar vein. The Force gives him power, and he does already have mechanical upgrades, but he knows them, and what they can do; what benefits they offer, and how much they hinder him. The pain gives him strength. The risk of something going wrong if he's in a fight with a real threat gives him strength. He won't get complacent because he knows how much he needs it. I don't really know how much stronger he gets because of this, but it's a strength hw seems to appreciate, and he keeps his edge. In RPG, he's got hit points, and can tank Wounds, but movie Vader could die from a single injury, and so he avoids getting hurt. One weird thing for me, but I'm okay with looking dumb; as was said, we always see him in basically the same suit. There ate cosmetic changes between the three films, and it is even more noticeable in Rogue One, but they never seem significant. Thus often led me ro believe that there was just the one suit, but now it seems Vader might be a cartoon character, with a wardrobe somewhere filled with umpteen copies of the same iconic outfit. During Kenobi...he definitely needed some repairs, to be generous, but in short order, the next time we saw him, all the damage was fixed, or he broke out an identical second helmet. I honestly didn't know he had a bunch of spares, especially if the kit was sort of slap dash, and could gave been better.

[@bedopskepop7936]

I would love to see some Star Wars timeline type stuff with things like Vader being fully intact, and Vader wearing an upgraded suit

[@Mnichu]

Oh look, 146th video about Vader's suit ;)

[@dronner1]

You forgot to say - on the same channel 😉

[@Mnichu]

@@dronner1 true ;)

[@barrybij8079]

This never made any sense to me.. 1st General Grievous was very mobile.. 2nd even if the Emperor gave him a an outdated suit, Vader would have upgraded at least the mobility portion himself... As far as the force lightning issue.. Human flesh would be far more damaged then electronics, or just as damaged. The reason Vader looks and moves the way he did is because there is was a lack of CGI in the 1st movies... Watch the starwars reimagined fight. Vader fights much better in that than at any other time

[@thomasthetank827]

He was given the suit at first, palpatinr asks if it's OK, vader agrees its acceptable. As he breaks that first suit, Palpatine allows him to make adjustments to the suit (he keeps it basically the same) we then find out later through armor scans, that his tech is dated and it's nothing but simple life support, etc. The suits weakness to lightning is not in canon, but it is undamaged by lava or fire. Canon vader also has much better mobility than described here.

[@brianbaker5590]

Most consistent Star Wars channel on KZbin💯

[@surplusdistribution3958]

Vader in a Grevious suit FTW!

[@lopirobinson1991]

Dude imagine what a badder beast he would be if he had a suit that allowed him to be as nimble as before he was burned. I imagine he would keep the painful elements so he could tap into power but make him be able to back flips if he wanted to. He might have been able to beat luke in ROTJ if he could move like his old self.

[@marcuswalker3631]

If he exits the suit to bathe in bacta then the only sensible reason is that he wanted to be angry, the emperor wanted him weak or he made upgrades and it was more advanced that it looked.

[@spider-saiyan0475]

The dark side is like the zenkais that saiyans get in dragon ball. Zenkais can be achieved in two ways: recovering from near death, or fighting for long periods of time. We see this with Goku black in super. “This pain will make me stronger.” If vader were a saiyan and had fully recovered from all of his injuries, he would be nearly unstoppable because that pain would substantially increase his power, but the suit would also do that. Vader is almost always in a state of near death

[@KombatW0mbat]

I think in canon Vader’s suit doesn’t immobilize and weaken as much if you see him moving in the comics he just is slower. That’s really it. His dual with the grand inquisitor kinda shows his further agility. Vader also I think upgraded his suit extremely after he got his lightsaber. With sidous not just letting him do repairs but do whatever he wanted to it.

[@WaaaghbossOrkamungus]

This all makes me wonder one thing however: We know that Force Lightning would short out Vader's suit and his life support. But we also know that Sith Alchemy is capable of altering the properties of metals and alloys in such ways that they become foci for the Dark Side, like Ancient Sith Blades. Those were basically ordinary metal swords, forged via Alchemy and turned into weapons equal to, if not even more deadly than lightsabers. That begs the question: could Sith Alchemy be used to counter the negative effects that Force Lightning had on cybernetics, maybe even make them 'conductive' in a beneficial manner?

[@EuphoricDan]

Isn't this like the 6th video you've done on this? Its not like they explore other things - its just the same video worded slightly differently over and over and over again

[@AL-zh2me]

If they ever do a Star Wars What if... series, it would be cool to see Vader use an upgraded suit

[@jinkazam5713]

He may of been able to do more swift movements probably more acrobatic too. But I'd say the normal suit increases his rage because of its disadvantages

[@UltimateSpider1385]

Imagine If Darth Vader would wear a suit that's forged with Sith Alchemy and would allow Vader to be Immortal.

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

I feel Vader flipping all over the place like Clone Wars '03 Grievous relies less on the force and more on the cybernetics, ultimately to his detriment.

[@NickMcRyan]

Makes no sense considering he hung out in a Bacta tank constantly out of his suit when not needed by Sideous.

[@Thaumh]

So, since the upgraded "Vader Suit" apparently existed but sat in a closet somewhere, 'cause reasons, I now want to have someone find it and drop it off with the Mod Artist of Tatooine.

[@thenut7246]

Anyone got a link to the image shown at 6:20?

[@christopherhood4942]

They actually changed it three times; force unleashed left the implication that the armor used on the aecret apprentice was going to be used for vader, except that he rrfused it for the same established reason. I think it may change again because with snokes reaction to the vader style helmet (even though it was because he didnt actually need it) it kind of implies vader was the same; bein the sith lord vader was a mask for anakin just as being kylo ren was a mask for ben, while for sidious being a sith was their true face. I dont think by the time we see vader in a new hope that he realpy needed the suit except for the breathing apparatus- while his had patches that were necrotic they had means of fixing it regardless of what theyve established for him. Hos eyes could have been replaced with cybernetics or he could have worn the same apparatus plo koon had. I think anakin hated himself and still very much cast blame for himself for padmes death and its as what he said in that new series- he killed anakin, and hiding you face is a psychological thibg people do when that happens. I think the effect of the wuality of his mask simply had that added bonuses of fueling hos anger and pain. The only thing i thino wouod have been upgraded beyond that washis synth skin and the manifold plate that wwas under his robes - it aeem extra bulk that was highly unnecessary goven the technology weve seen with prople with extreme war wound like saw guarrara. I think the initial suit was Palpatines punishment but the next would have been up to him- the problem being vader being willing to risk his life under the knife of potential rebels andehoever operated on him would have been eliminated to secure his identity leaving him with droids that werent capable

[@thomasthetank827]

Force unleashed is not canon and the first suit was actually just a life support suit for vader. Palpatine asks if it's OK, and vader says it's acceptable. Later on, he gives vader the opportunity to tweak the suit to his needs. He doesn't change much. There's also no weakness to electricity with that suit.

[@christopherhood4942]

Ummm i know. Do try and read hotshot. Dumb be a stupid as your response👍🏼. I said they changed it three times. Interpretting that it did change because of changing canon.

[@RBweb24]

Legends is such a better reason

[@thomasthetank827]

Legends has way too much stuff all over the place, with power levels matching that of gods

[@RBweb24]

@@thomasthetank827 OK but the stuff about the suit, which we are talking about is better than the new stuff...

[@silvernexoknight]

Cool vid 🖤

[@metalgear6531]

2:23 What's with the choice of image on the left tho? 😳

[@Tint_Guy]

Simple answer is he didn't need it. He was already the most feared man in the galaxy a better suit would've been overkill

[@AlmostCoolGuys]

I feel like I've seen this video under different titles like 5 times.

[@vananchez]

I wonder why Vader did not take advantage of clowning Technology to replace the robotic limbs AND have a better suit

[@thomasthetank827]

Palpatine was obsessed with cloning and vader barely became aware of it untill after empire strikes back. Ad far as his suit, palpatine allowed him to make adjustments to the suit after he wrecked his first suit

[@fedricojgarza464]

Darth Vader new outfit looks bad ass even batman wood be jealous lol 😆

[@leroyjenkins4811]

So in cannon Vader stayed in the suit because Sidious wanted to keep him under control and weak. Later he was able to make improvements to it and he could leave it temporarily to take Bacta baths. In legends there was a second suit constructed but Vader didn’t want it because he could die if something went wrong while transferring to it. With the exception of susceptibility to force lightning, he liked his current suit. All the pain and suffering made him more powerful in the Dark Side of the Force. Talk about irony... Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader has got to be the saddest and most tragic character in all of fiction/science fiction. The very thing that makes him so powerful is the very same self hatred, self suffering, and self loathing he imposes upon himself. Imagine you have virtually unlimited power and unlimited money. People fear you, respect you, hang onto your every word, and obey you. Women adore you and would jump at the chance to get a peek at what’s under the helmet. Men want to be you. You can go anywhere, do anything, kill anyone, and no one will say a word. And all you had to do to be this powerful was to hate yourself more than anything else in the entire galaxy. The very thing that keeps him powerful is also the very thing that doesn’t allow him to take any pleasure in anything he does. I think that’s ultimately why he turned on Sidious in the end. A Sith has to be psychopathic enough to enjoy what they’re doing to be truly dedicated to it. Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader was a lot of things but he was never really a psychopath. He would make a very interesting case study for mental illness and divisions of personality. It would be very dangerous though as I doubt Vader would let anyone examine his mental state. He’d probably kill anybody who tried to psychoanalyze him.

[@thomasc5398]

In the thrawn books vader has two suits that he changes between

[@mriforgiate]

Curious question. If it is stated that one of the reasons he did not transition to the new suit was because he could not be removed from his original suit for a moment, due to potentially dying due to lack of life support....then how is it that we see Vader completely out of his suit, basically naked except for underwear in a bacta tank (canon material)? He is clearly fully removed from his suit there and should have been able to be moved from said bacta tank into his new suit. Just doesn't make sense to me as a valid reason....

[@kearlanventures]

Vader == suit. Suit == Vader. Nothing else would work for the films.

[@j0n3x24]

They could have placed vader in a Bacta tank while they change suit for him tho. i think he would have healed better with the other suit aswell cuz imagine all of the burned skin stuck in the suit. + they could have keeped Vader in the Bacta for a while so his body would heal even better.

[@leerogish7223]

In the next disney movie featuring t darth Vader they should feature vader in an upgraded suit. My idea mace returns and fights vader basket damaging his suit so palpatine forces vader to switch to a state of the art one. He has a rematch with mace defeating him but the new suit is also destroyed in the process. Vader feels the new suit weakens his connection with the force so he has his old one repaired and switches back.

[@emperorpalpatine8006]

Of course i didn't want to give him a new suit

[@robbailey2535]

This is kind of ridiculous, though. Yes, he needed his suite and was crippled in the force after his fight with Obi-Wan... But he was the 'Chosen One', and there was an ancient Sith that literally willed his body to stay together through his hate and the force... All without a suite.

[@LukeJukeDuke]

Vader would very likely be stronger but with palpatine at every moments notice, doesnt want that to happen, he wants to still be the strongest.

[@lucky5th2]

Why would they worry about Vader dying if Sidious could bring people back from death?

[@Kilroy_5150]

I say it probably wasn't over-thought in the writing of the movies but some sort of subject that fanboys thought up to talk about afterwards :) nuff said?

[@kaidorade1317]

Didn’t Palpatine later on decide not to upgrade Vader’s suit as a punishment for his failure on Mustafar?

[@stoicsingh472]

can't vader just stay in a bacta tank while his new suit is being prepared?

[@metatronblack]

So Darth Vader Smash 🤔

[@johnquinones7152]

The one I’m in now makes me more powerful because my hatred and anger

[@vburichv1239]

Two decades, not centuries.

[@spencerday2937]

it’s 2 decades not centuries

[@chrisvenoy3710]

Because in 1977 George Lucas didn’t have the budget for upgrades

[@neonmaster2040]

why did luke not use force heal on vader

[@thomasthetank827]

He does not know how to do that

[@jagdeishwarmagendran3395]

So if both Legends and Canon exist, why not make it a multiverse. But one that can not be traveled in the Starwars universe. Just a bunch of newly developed stories for us. Like What If from Marvel.

[@chadflanaganCFC]

Vader would of undoubtedly been better off emotionally in the upgraded suit as it would alleviate many of his issues with his suit the thing is for his force potential he'd of ended up much much weaker as his connection with the dark side waned and it's extremely likely that this "upgraded" suit would be in many ways less adaptable by design

[@OWmyDragonBallz]

Exactly. Some people say Canon Vader didn’t lose potential after Mustafar but that’s not true. If anything canon just made it even more clear that his suit strengthened his connection to the dark side despite being a portion of his former potential.

[@chadflanaganCFC]

I hate saying this, as I dislike them as a concept almost as much as power levels in dragon ball, but whoever is telling you in canon nothing changed needs to relook up Midoclorians and how they work it's been hammered to death that Vader is about 80% Palpatine's potential whereas Anakin far surpassed it.

[@Peterkrack]

Duh the suit upgrade never existed until someone wrote a book and then it did but to lose in a sword fight is embarrassing for someone that can control all things with the force so why did Vader and kenobi a fight end without Vader being nearly killed ???????????? Idk but Vader could have used his mind to fight at least

[@Deknis]

How the hell did Vader drop a deuce?

[@slaneville]

I wish Darth Vader learned Essence Transfer... and Transfered his Essence into a Clone of Anakin in his prime and enhance it further... Then we could have seen a real powerful Sith!... not the shell of a Sith lord that could have been...

[@charlespittsjr604]

I think star wars missed out on the biggest story by killing off Vader . They should of had him become the leader of the Jedi and upgraded his suit and gained even more strength by mastering both the dark and light side of the force . I think they could of showed the force being (God) who was his force father speak to him and he could have brought true balance by being the Sith Lord and Ultimate Jedi master by becoming a force being himself and not die but transform into the force . I believe Lucas had a beautiful idea but missed a great opportunity to make Vader/Skywalker bring true balance to the force and to the Universe.

[@Insertnamehere3000]

Are you just uploading the same videos for a while ago to make it look like new content?

[@richardbell1614]

I disagree through the dark side Vader survived without his suit

[@SuperDragonmonk]

Isn't this video like the third iteration of the same topic???

[@donovanwright7202]

The real reason is because they didn’t have technology back in the 70’s 😂😂

[@mitchellsedmak]

If Vader can survive long enough to get into a bacta tank he can just go from the tank to the new suit. Stop saying he would have died. We have seen him out of the suit in legends and the new Disney canon.

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

The big ones onesies

[@cipclip7443]

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[@aceknowledgable9403]

Vader would lose what him powerful: the dark side of the Force that is fueled by pain, suffering, hatred, and other negativity. He would be a better lightsaber duelist, but be an even weaker Force user.

[@ciscoak9074]

he would look similar to malgus If he upgraded, considering that malgus predates vader by thousands of years, his shit was hella wack!

[@camodeano3003]

I love your channel but sometimes you just be saying anything bro. You know Vader used to always be out of his suit in the Barca tank. We even saw that in the Kenobi series. C’mon man.

[@bwy553]

He hates himself

[@kingshadow8782]

Hi

[@Hangman1]

because this suit never existed

[@SHARKVADERS]

NNNNNNOOOOOOO

[@NeonoahGaming]

If he did upgrade his suit, wonder if his body would have healed better? He would have definitely be unstoppable if he had a better suit, maybe weaker in the dark side of the force but the mobility would have made up for it

[@kingshadow8782]

Hype

[@WHlSKYtx]

probably because it didnt exist

[@chaospet]

Interesting but this is soooo repetitive, you could have explained the same points in about 1/3 of the time

[@FaceManBuddha]

You should cover this AGAIN for the 4th or 5th time AGAIN to boost your algorithm and make more money. BS

[@yupidorras9686]

More curious is why are you so redundant? You say the same thing 3 times.