Why Did He Do It? A Sly Cooper Mystery

[@de606returns6]

After reading the comics and the novel I always figured that Mcsweeny felt saddened and possibly even guilty for Conner dying and not being able to save his best friend the way he probably had so many times so hearing someone else feel the same way makes me happy cause I thought maybe I was thinking too deep about it

[@edmartinez925]

McSweeney felt that he had nothing else to live for in the free world and ended up turning himself in to authorities. He may have felt that it was his fault for not being there for Connor Cooper when he was attacked and killed by the fiendish five.

[@gracekim25]

Um how do you find the comics and novel?

[@spank9898]

​​@@gracekim25 the sly wiki for the comics last time I checked

[@gracekim25]

@@spank9898thanks

[@AH-is5yg]

come to think it, McSweeny is what Murray was going through guilt.

[@MasakiAndoh]

At this point Vivi is keepin the Sly Cooper alive series alive 🤣

[@BrennySpain]

It really is a shame we never saw McSweeney in an actual in-game cutscene in Sly 3 at all. Kind of a missed opportunity if you ask me. I wonder who would’ve voiced him.

[@VtnVivi]

Tell me about it!

[@ashterrifictales7317]

Ironic that both McSweeny and Murray (The muscles of the gang) go through a depression phase because something horrible happened to their best friend/teammate and they felt like they could've done more to prevent it!!

[@VtnVivi]

Good point!

[@AH-is5yg]

that is very true.

[@brofistbro]

Some guys have thought of doing a sly 4 story themselves called deceit of thieves, and it sounded amazing, with them taking their story starting from the fact of McSweeney appearing out of the blue to kidnap Carmalita. I agree the next sly game MUST start with McSweeney somehow. Definitely explore a storyline about sly's FATHER'S gang. So for it. To rewrite the farce Theives in time sadly ended up being. Wasn't bad but definitely was NOT great.

[@TheCursedCat1927]

Thieves in Time was good gameplay-wise, but the Story - while interesting - was weirdly executed multiple times. They can definetly work of the game's Ending, and I honestly could see them use McSweeney as a part of the same Story too (basically when they finally bring Sly back, McSweeney shows up or something like that).

[@brofistbro]

@@TheCursedCat1927 REALLY???? HOW??

[@hopefulhangover584]

​@@Xnansui3770 What do you mean a scam? I recall it was presented as a concept or something that the people behind it couldn't get off the ground. I think we should at least appreciate the bravery it takes to construct an idea and put it out there like that. McSweeney can't really be "ruined" as a character either since we know barely any defining characteristics about him and he's just used as a plot device. At least the guys who wrote that concept were smart enough to think of an idea to develop his character passed the point of just being a guy who gives Sly some type of hidden knowledge.

[@hopefulhangover584]

@@Xnansui3770 Yeah, I’ve heard about it. I wouldn’t trust that guy and take his word for whatever he’s said. He’s not reliable. He’s pretty notorious in the community as a trouble maker and was accused along with some other people he knows of saying slurs on Twitter and making indecent remarks and statements against other Sly Cooper members within the community who have differing views and opinions. I don’t understand how drama can flare up based on a pitch for a fan game, so I’m assuming there’s more behind the scenes, but yeah.

[@gracekim25]

Scam? 😅

[@almirpreljevic717]

Nice one!!!! You always have something to show us after all these years!!

[@VtnVivi]

Glad you enjoy it and thank you :D

[@VongolaXZax]

Next game should let us play as Connor in a flashback, giving us a perspective on how he ran his gang and then switch back to Sly to see how different he is, from father.

[@VtnVivi]

Or explain how one walks on lasers :P

[@VongolaXZax]

@@VtnVivi I could only think of one thing..... Cooper Luck? Or maybe it has something to do with Sly's cane, which is his father's?

[@daronhybridgaming3165]

If we ever got sly 5 Carmelita goes to his prison and ask about his where about and he stays muted until Bentley and Murray shows up then he spills it that would be really cool to see

[@VtnVivi]

Yeah why would he believe a cop at first glance right? Would need a lot of convincing.

[@dspace4514]

I imagine a different scenario: -As we know, Dr M began to grow jealous of Conner getting all the credit and storing all of the loot in the Cooper Vault, something I bet was kept secret even from them. Dr M must have met McSweeny at some point in order to get the location of the map and in that interaction, he must have been able to convince McSweeny to join his side, or at the very least, convince the man that he wasn't evil and wanted to make amends. Let's assume Conner tried to keep at least one of his friendships intact and told McSweeny where he was hiding and told him he could visit anytime, so McSweeny told Dr M where Conner was. Dr M may have hated Sly, but he wasn't stupid. He probably knew that at the time, he was incapable of defeating Conner one-on-one, so he decided to reveal its location to the Fiendish Five for he knew about Clockwerk existence. McSweeny must have felt guilty when he heard Conner's death, feeling like he was the one who killed him, so he decided to stay in prison, to pay for his crimes.

[@erichousley448]

Maybe or maybe he was beaten from the cops or by Dr. M. He did got a chip tooth in there. So maybe he didn't do it freely

[@bconn6406]

Got me on the thumbnail thought it'd be about him jumping in then wormhole but great video as always Vivi. That is also a pretty cool idea using McSweeney in hopefully the next game would be pretty interesting to see his abilities and would be cool to see him and Murray work side by side. Would be pretty cool if some how sly is rescued and him, Murray, and Bentley end up in a point in time where Conner's Cooper gang are in their heyday and some how pull a heist with Dr.M and Conner and McSweeney.

[@VtnVivi]

So in other words, McSweeney would get pulled into the whole time travel thing with our gang in the present?

[@bconn6406]

@@VtnVivi Ya like Bentley or Murray meet up with him or something or maybe even he knows Carmelita has always been hot on his tale and one day she's in his prison or he requests to talk to her. I really don't know just awesome being able to have and share all these thoughts with a community and to see other ideas. Just got to keep praying every night for a sly 5. 😂

[@katrinastar652]

i HAVE THIS NOVEL xd I remember when i saw it and begged my mom to get it from Scholastic. But here's my theory: Despite the original gang splitting the payout on their biggest heist, (in this case I'm going to assume that massive diamond Conner stole referenced in the fourth game) I think Dr. M wanted to betray him before Conner died... he was so filled with anger and jealousy. maybe not kill him but definitely find the vault. I think Mcsweeny saw that decline in Dr. M and just, didnt warn Conner... I think Dr. M needed Connor alive to find the vault, and when he died, he knew Mcsweeny would know where it is. Jail was the safest place

[@demonprincess9680]

If Sly's 21 in the third game, how old was he in the first? When meeting thew Panda King in the third game, Sly's line is "Years have passed and we've both changed". Panda King was an arsonist and a murderer. How many years did he get in prison for that, only to be released back into China? Even with good behavior, his crimes weren't small

[@Melvinshermen]

And also there are bunch scrapped villian from sly 2. That i want you talk about a pirate-themed gorilla, an Aztec panther and a western-themed bull There is art work for gorilla one and also bull one

[@slycooper4506]

You want to know why McSweeney was staying so long in prison it's because of one yes guilt and two it's because he was Recidivism. He was stuck in prison for so long that he just got used to it.

[@davidosclay852]

Impresive video. As a kid I thought that Mcsweeny was arrested for started a bar brwal, and killed an opponent during a fight and convicted to a manslaughter. His design look like a retire bike gang leader, cuz he has many tattoo.

[@VtnVivi]

Thank you glad you enjoyed it :D

[@davidosclay852]

@@VtnVivi Your welcome. I have question and curious about, how Carmelita manage to defeat and kill off Dr. M's monster boss in Sly 3, how did she manage to survive and how did she know when she found Sly and Dr. M in the final battle? Will talk in the next Sly video? Just asking.

[@BrennySpain]

That disc for Sly 3 on ps2 still gives me chills. McSweeney trying to strangle sly just to prove himself. That’s why it’s still worth keeping the original versions as opposed to the PS3 HD versions which are decent at best in my eyes.

[@JBLightning.]

Good video as always vivi very interesting the deeper we go the more questions show up

[@VtnVivi]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TheDracoManGamer]

Always good to see another video from you, Vivi 😊❤️

[@VtnVivi]

Much appreciated!

[@ganumon1984]

Hey Vivi, just a quick reminder, the upcoming PlayStation Showcase is happening next week on Wednesday, May 24. Like what we already do best regarding Sly, we’re not expecting Sly 5 to be announced and all hope that Sly returns in any shape or form including a tv show and remake collection. We all know that Sly has been dormant long enough and we all had enough of Sly Cooper for the last 10 years!

[@VtnVivi]

Today's the day and I'm not expecting anything Sly. Better to always control expectations :)

[@ashleyyoung796]

I wonder who'll be the voice actor of both Connor Cooper and McSweeney?🤔 Because I'm very interested in what went on with the original Cooper gang.🙂

[@VongolaXZax]

Imagine McSweeney helping in the next game, only to betray the gang for some unknown reason. Penelope all over again lol.

[@VtnVivi]

Ye... no....

[@shanecrean6579]

Any information on Thieves in time sequel? I'm still sad that Sly in stuck in Egypt 🇪🇬

[@Tidal981]

Ok um... I never read the comic. But in the future I will look forward to take a look at them ( or at least buy all if them) to get to know the prequel of both games. I'll say McSweeny fight a good fight for the gang. Sometimes criminals needs to turn themselves in for the greater good because of the wrong doing that they have done. It's hard to feel that you are responsible for someone death but it's not your fault at first. McSweeny have a big heart like Murray. If Murray was under McSweeny shoes, he would have done the same to protect and take some time to think about the crimes he did with the gang and start a new life after. To me McSweeny is a good man. He was doing this for the greater good for his friends and family. (If he does have a family that we don't know.)

[@kingemerald4622]

Really not liking the rebrand it looks less like a youtube channel and more like a store or fast food restaurant, almost soulless like a mascot for a corporate company or something I miss the old VV also I still doubt sly 5 at this point I mean who would even make it? the studio who made sly 4 got brought out they wanted to continue the story with a DLC but couldn't due to the games poor sales and let's not forget the rumours about a new game possibly being in the works which you know didn't happen maybe the game got put on hold? who knows, as for the show, well, I'm pretty sure that got cancelled

[@av_8596]

Good to see another video!

[@demonprincess9680]

I don't think Dr. M would go after McSweeny. All Dr. M cared about was the vault and he already found it by the time McSweeny told Sly about it. The only thing to gain from him was the map to the vault and Dr. M clearly didn't need it. Besides, Dr. M's problems in the Cooper Gang were only with Connor, according to his dialogue. I don't think he had any grudges against McSweeny

[@yuichiusagirabbitpawssnow4820]

Would be great and awesome but if only begging sly cooper back from Egypt really had make other sly games I hope one well timed well tells indeed

[@619316reymysterio]

Sly's father's name is Conner?! Not a bad trivia fact. 😮

[@stefanloncar6868]

Better question is If Mcsweeny was in jail before Fiendish Five attacked Cooper home why didn’t Sly’s father simply break him out ?

[@VtnVivi]

That's IF he turned himself in before the attack, yeah I'd ask the same question as you stated.

[@crashslysonic777]

I got the novel...I REALLY need to finish that...

[@uberkirbeeh7954]

Unrelated to the topic but the more I think of it, Sly's mom must have been NC with her family or have no surviving family members alive since Sly was send to the orphanage instead of put under a custody of his mother's side of the family members. Which wouldn't be no surprise why they wouldn't take in a child who's dad was a world class criminal, if they ever even were still alive and knew about it before that night happen. It must have been on the news too.

[@VtnVivi]

Definitely an interesting point you're making here!

[@BrennySpain]

I love nightmare downtown bikini bottom in SpongeBob the cosmic shake. Is that the name of the level? It was beyond cool and my favourite level in the game too if I’m being really honest as well.

[@BoopSnootAndTroubleshoot]

I do hope you worke on your script-reading flow

[@r3ccerberus]

Hey vivi I was looking at some artwork of Tennessee kid cooper I came across this picture that really made me think of something someone had made a fanart of a fox that was wearing a sheriff's outfit it had the same hair color Carmelita and they were holding a wanted poster of Tennessee kid Cooper do you think it's possible that Carmelita's ancestors migth have tried chasing the Coopers in the past I mean as far as we know Carmelita is a fourth-generation cop but we don't know everything about her ancestors they could have been in law enforcement in the past it's too bad Carmelita's family doesn't have their own book talking about their Adventures and the things they've seen while in law enforcement

[@VtnVivi]

We just don't know how far back Carmelita's cop ancestors go back to :O I also always think back to Tenessee's remark to Carmelita, how she reminded him of someone.

[@BlueKnightV20]

Saw the new channel icon, and I had to stop & do a double take. XD. Definitely not the style I expected, but I like it!

[@VtnVivi]

Banner is next! Slowly rolling all out :p

[@BlueKnightV20]

@@VtnVivi 👀Looking forward to it!

[@ariswilliams8103]

Woah,....The Theory thickens.

[@VongolaXZax]

The cover of the novel, looks the closest to the anime cutscene. Too bad Sly didn't get an anime series during the 90s.

[@VtnVivi]

Anime would be epic!

[@gracekim25]

But I thought the games came out in the noughties😅 but an anime of them would be cool 😊

[@BrennySpain]

I love your new profile picture Vivi. It’s so cute and adorable. You really excel at what you do you know that?

[@VtnVivi]

I appreciate that so much thank you! I'm really glad you like the new style :D

[@BrennySpain]

@@VtnVivi definitely fits your personality and style of videos too.

[@renamon5658]

I figured me wanted to retire

[@keldeostudies149]

Maybe mcsweeney was the one who dropped sly off at the orphanage Going loosely off what you said here my idea After the attack mcsweeney feels guilt after being late but noticed young sly hiding in the closet and i imagine mcsweeney or uncle mcsweeney as young sly would call him had a bit of a bonding moment before conor death Mcsweeney then realized with the crime coming down on him and without connor he would be in deep trouble along with sly. So Mcsweeney would take sly and connor cane to help calm the young sly down They would flee the county and mcsweeney drops him off at the orphanage knowing connor would want sly to have a good life and to protect sly from dr M and keep sly safe. After dropping sly off returns back to paris and turn himself in And maybe in the 3rd game events mcsweeney fears that sly would run into with dr M sooner or later and was approached by carmelita fox and mcsweeney would tell her everything about cane island and the threat dr M is to sly and himself

[@VtnVivi]

Interesting thoughts! Your last point certainly makes one think! I recall Carmelita having the map to Kaine island before Sly snatched it from her office, that could potentially explain how Carmelita even knew of the Island.

[@keldeostudies149]

@@VtnVivi ok then im glad you find it intersting

[@WolfmanArt]

If the next game were to ever come out, if like to see McSweeney make an appearance

[@VtnVivi]

Same here! Even if just for a little moment.

[@zephon6745]

I figured that he was hiding from Clockwerk.

[@VtnVivi]

Now that you mention it, I'd wonder why :O

[@gracekim25]

well...i'm unsure if i can beat sly 2 (i'm at the second to last mission already), um which game is this character from, is it number 3? I heard there's comics too

[@VtnVivi]

He's briefly shown and mentioned in 3. Mainly appeared in comic #2.

[@gracekim25]

@@VtnVivi oh cool. I’ll try to find the comics then. I ended up trying Sly 3 and saw him in the introductory stuff 😊

[@blueraccoon1088]

My original guess was because the original Cooper gang broke up and he wanted to retire.

[@VtnVivi]

Even if so, why not retire elsewhere, why jail out of all places? That's what makes us curious.

[@blueraccoon1088]

@@VtnVivi well let's see the guy lost his friend, his brains team betrayed them and since doc M was not after McSweeney he respect his choice to leave and retire much so he'd let him live his days in jail and McSweeney not knowing what was going to to happen. He packed brains and brawn but not enough to go toe to toe. Much to this McSweeney was arrested after hearing his friend died while serving time. Watch freak the mighty as a kid is taken in at grandparents custody as he meets a smart cripple who was son of both thier moms who were friends and dads had different stories one magician and other biker gang and big guy unintentionally reunion with broken up crew just those parts. It stars Henry Dean Stanton.

[@admartzolf6629]

you are my favorite KZbin channel

[@VtnVivi]

That's very kind of you :D

[@stefanloncar6868]

Hey VIVI yesterday i had my 25th Birthday

[@VtnVivi]

Belated happy birthday!

[@SenseiIceman]

Ah Vivi just the guy I wanted to see

[@VtnVivi]

Hi :)

[@VongolaXZax]

Gotta love mysteries

[@VtnVivi]

Indeed!

[@coolmool237]

Sly!

[@VtnVivi]

Come in

[@coolmool237]

@@VtnVivi I really like the new logo. I've know you having the old logo since I started watching you.

[@coolmool237]

@@VtnVivi loud and very loud

[@Princess36621]

What's with the new profile picture?

[@VtnVivi]

It's new profile picture! Changing a fee things :)

[@CommentingCommenter]

He definitely should be in Sly 5. I could see Bentley and the others going to him for help as he knows where Sly's father hid the only ancient egyptian artifact from the time period Sly is in that wasn't taken by Penelope while enacting her own plans. However McSweeny says the place its hidden in can't be opened without him, which leads to the Cooper gang performing a jail break.

[@VtnVivi]

That's a cool scenario!

[@CommentingCommenter]

@@VtnVivi Thank you :)

[@BrennySpain]

Working on a new intro I’m guessing? Lol

[@VtnVivi]

Not at all! Scrapping it completely. Gonna come up with something much more simplistic.

[@BrennySpain]

@@VtnVivi yeah all right fair enough then.

[@BooneBluemel]

How can Sly's female ancestors also be named Cooper?

[@gracekim25]

If they don’t marry or are siblings

[@BooneBluemel]

@@gracekim25 those wouldn't be his ancestors. Just his relatives. An ancestor is someone you're descended from

[@VtnVivi]

I always looked at it as a family with multiple siblings. One of them decided to continue the legacy sort of thing.. if I understand your question correctly?

[@gracekim25]

@@BooneBluemel mmmm you seem confused 😅

[@BooneBluemel]

@@VtnVivi his female ancestors can't have the same surname

[@thonysrnsen5104]

i love this history ❤