Why did I buy a Himalayan instead of the CF Moto?

[@SteveRobertsTheNurdler]

I ride in Nepal, even the main roads are a challenge, I can honestly say, reliability will not be a problem with the Himalayan. You've made the right choice.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@SteveRobertsTheNurdler I hope you’re right. It feels a well put together machine and so far so good.

[@alternativeperception6949]

The simplicity of the Royal Enfield gives it a huge advantage over the CFmoto for Me

[@ogasi1798]

@@alternativeperception6949 parts and support too

[@vocalsg13]

I was also looking into one of these two bikes (or the crf300 rally of course) and I stumbled upon your nice comparison, thanks! I also wanted to say that I really appreciated your calm demeanor and clear mind. You seem like a genuinely nice human, one that I could trust to go on a trip with. You also remind me a bit of Terry Gilliam 😂 Cheers

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@vocalsg13 I looked up Terry and yes, we have a similar look. On your other comment that I seem a nice person I’ve passed that onto my wife for review and we'll see what comes back.

[@cafeteropiper2811]

I'm not planning on changing my Himi 411 any time soon, but between the Himi 450 and the Cf Moto I think the RE is the best bargain. Enjoy your new bike!

[@keepitreal1547]

My friend has covered 80,000miles on his 411 without any issues...that speaks volumes 👍

[@bwnco]

Spreadsheet I think that's brilliant idea I do that for about everything from horses two tools to my first motorcycle.😂😂😂.. always glad to hear and honest opinion because I don't know which one to get either.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@bwnco It had me scratching my head for several days but ultimately it came down to the fizz! Like a lot of things really, the heart rules the head.

[@maccas44]

Mate as long as it ticks your box , that’s all that matters, great video well done

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@maccas44 Tick the box it does. Cheers.

[@Happy-indian]

Thanks for your love for a bike made in india sir. Lots of love from India. Ride safe and enjoy.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@Happy-indian Thank you. I’m enjoying it very much.

[@bryanmathew2079]

i' Say 😊Curry uP Often i' Eat So 😮Much Turmeric i' CouLda been 😅Exotic Lol

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@bryanmathew2079 I do love a madras, but I’m also partial to a good egg fried rice!

[@jstllucky]

It's all about that smile at the end. You can't go wrong if you choose that.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@jstllucky Like everything in life really!

[@jonathanstormont2898]

I think you were smart to go with the RE!. I also feel if you a rider that is genuine about riding off road the Re win's out as a single cylinder vs the twin. Don't get me wrong it a tough call between them as the MT450 is good but it does not have the charm of the RE either.

[@abitofadetour7315]

Charm is subjective. I chose the RE, many others have chosen differently. In this case, I feel there is no wrong choice.

[@teneretraveller8980]

It's like everything in life. Eventually we work out that feeling good outweighs any numbers or statistics which might suggest otherwise, and as we get older we don't care what anyone else thinks. I'm loving my Himmi, too. Ride safe and happy travels 👍

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@teneretraveller8980 There’s a good sized dose of not caring what anyone else thinks, no doubt about it.

[@KirkAnderson-l3i]

Recently rode from Perth to Wiluna to Gun Barrel Highway back down the GCR to Laverton, old Laverton rd back to Perth Via Menzies, Sandstone, Paynes find. 4600 km’s mostly on dirt,My WR and old mate on his RE 450 Himy. The Himy stock except Tyres and larger screen. The Himy performed above expectations, anyone who’s ridden or driven the Gun Barrel will understand the conditions of this rd ( Gun Barrel) the corrugation is relentless, nothing broke or fell off the Himy. I believe RE are onto a good thing. Just need to tweak suspension as the GunBarrel did show the limitations of rear suspension, longer lighter side stand with lge foot. Very impressed how this bike performed.

[@keepitreal1547]

The right bike will feel right when riding it & you'll turn around often, to look at it 😊

[@bryanmathew2079]

Ya reminds me Of 😢40 yrs ago, my 1983 Yamaha Vision 550 in SiLver it Had a Diff/ Modern Look back then i' Took it to 9000Revs Often Lol, but now I'm Thinking Of my Next 1, after 😅Doing Numerous paper PLates Notes ..maybe in 2--yrs Lol

[@ritchieok29]

From an accountant, don’t ever be embarrassed about doing a spreadsheet. 😂

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@ritchieok29 Thanks. Someone on my side of the spreadsheet debate at last.

[@kevinnielsen1356]

Try a spread sheet comparison between the benefits and drawbacks of India's democracy and China's communism. Which system will you support? Which system do you want society to become in the future. Vote with your $$

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@kevinnielsen1356 That’s a big question I’m not sure I’m ready to rummage around in. Sadly we don’t live in a perfect world. One day maybe.

[@CollinMac96]

@@kevinnielsen1356how about i don’t care. I’m trying to buy a motorcycle. Don’t care what country the bike comes from lol

[@kevinnielsen1356]

@@CollinMac96 typical. Awareness of sociopolitical responsibility is not common. Would you buy Russian products? Iranian products, N Korean products?

[@BMiobW]

Hahaha, I just made a spreadsheet for these two bikes two days ago! I still can't choose... I liked the video, thank you for posting

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@BMiobW We might have to compare spreadsheets!

[@Wild1Banana]

You made a wise choice Sir and I cannot wait to get my hands on one in the Pacific NW of WA uSA. I think this new 450 Himalayan will be a very popular bike in the future.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@Wild1Banana I think you’re right. You’re in a fantastic part of the world for riding, I’ve been there a few times and loved it despite not riding.

[@michaelsangster5673]

Your not the only one to do a spreadsheet, great choice by the way, long as you enjoy it, thats the main thing.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@michaelsangster5673That’s my position. One of the joys of democracy is the freedom to make your own choices.

[@skotty1962]

Hello from Adelaide! Thinking of getting one of these myself. Trouble with CF Moto is the value of the bike pretty much halves as soon as you buy one, and don't know about here but you read stories of people waiting months for spares and accessories (Centre stand). And they have too much tuperware fairing on it that you will scratch or break the first time you drop it. With RE the CEO and senior management ride bikes and are part of the biking community and always willing to listen to feedback from their customers. The new Himi is just so versatile and affordable may have to get one.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@skotty1962 Not sure about the value of either bike second hand, but the CF Moto certainly has more plastic. I don’t really factor in future value when I buy bikes, it seems like it takes the fun out of the process. Cars on the other hand…

[@scottastell9415]

Good on you for chasing some joy in your senior years! Your trip thru the bush reminded me of my Army days as a youth riding various small 100cc, 125cc and 250cc Japanese dirt bikes. What joy they brought me and lucky for me the bush was always near an Army camp. My light weight 100cc dual range (8 gears) Suzuki TC100 Ag bike was my favourite of all time. So light if you dropped it in a creek you could pick it up turn in upside down and clear water from everything and still ride home. It was almost bullet proof until I twisted it's frame but we still rode home. Love small motors, light transport and wish I was healthy enough to ride trails like you. Currently ride tar on my Kymco AK550 and Agility 300cc which bring joy to my dial. Love that word 'Fizz' was that in The Castle movie?

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@scottastell9415 Small bikes are the way to go off road, no doubt about it. Not so sure about my “senior years”. Maybe it’s time for ‘just for men’.

[@hemantshori4272]

Right choice, I have taken both of them for a 30 mins ride one after the other. I find CF lighter BUT more like a small engine moped on a 100 zone. HImi was a much better performer. Also Himis suspension i find to be much better on rough surfaces. Enjoy your new bike and ride safe.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@hemantshori4272 I can say I’m very impressed with the suspension, and the brakes, on the RE. For my weight I reckon I could go a slightly softer fork spring but otherwise it’s remarkably good for a budget bike. I found the MT good but a bit stiff, I wonder if people have been able to tune that out with the adjusters?

[@amogbajracharya9009]

​@@abitofadetour7315yup after the adjustment its much better.

[@slakk5093]

I was so close to buying either this or the cfmoto. After seeing the teasers for the new ktm 390 adventure and the 390 enduro. I’m going to have to wait a bit for that to see how it compares

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@slakk5093 It looks a very promising machine no doubt.

[@RS23545]

yes 390 adventure going to be killer for these two bikes.

[@mattyb7736]

​@@RS23545but its a "Keep The Money" i learned the hard way what KTM after sales service is like....there isn't any.

[@MrEtnorb]

@@RS23545no question. In comparison to their recent twins, it will be very reliable and hopefully lighter than the 450’s plus it looks Dakar like.

[@jimporter]

@@RS23545the main difference being RE and CFMoto aren’t in administration.

[@rodneyshepherd9120]

If you know "Itchy Boots" you would have no doubt about the ability of the Himalayan.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@rodneyshepherd9120 I’ve seen a few of her videos but nothing with the RE, will check it out.

[@ilaser4064]

I think the biggest unknown is the reliability of the engine, the old Himalayan was tried and tested and hadn't changed for 50+ years. It was also crazily underpowered. The 450 is a completely different beast.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@ilaser4064 Time reveals all. It has a three year warranty and most major defects will show up in that time I would think, but most modern engines are very reliable.

[@simonlovelock6242]

I didn’t realise the Himalayan had been out 50 plus years.🤔

[@fuelarjun]

@@simonlovelock6242 it hasn't, it was released as an all-new platform in 2016 😂

[@jaspreetbains2776]

I would have chose the same out of those two mate. Good choice enjoy it.

[@JoaquimGonsalves]

4:33 nothing to be embarrassed about there sir. It is after all a fair bit of money and a long term decision to live with. Totally ok. :) Loved the whole idea of using a spreadsheet for these two bikes.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@JoaquimGonsalves Thanks. I’m starting to realise I’m not the only person who has used this method!

[@daveo9844]

Congrats on the new bike mate. I went for the cfmoto and it’s ticking most of my boxes 🍻

[@abitofadetour7315]

I'm glad to hear it. If I could somehow get that 270 twin engine noise out of the Himalayan I'd be beside myself with happiness.

[@jasonstansborough3037]

Formula for choosing a motorcycle. Do a thorough spreadsheet with weighted averages, critical non negotiable and spec comparisons. Then throw it in the bin and go with which bike offers more "Fizz". 😂

[@abitofadetour7315]

Precisely! The spreadsheet served the purpose of making me realise the fizz was the most important part.

[@davepridmore3019]

plenty of dirt near you back of brookfield ..pine mountain.. but love you r work and always look forward to your trips...and just keep up the smart ass cracks.. they kill me..

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@davepridmore3019 Back of Brookfield is where I was. It’s nothing but gates, camera, no trespassing signs and general hostility, which I understand with the amount of people living out there these days.

[@gordo5863]

Smart move with the spreadsheet, mate.

[@abitofadetour7315]

I’m still embarrassed about it.

[@marbulle]

Bonjour, comme vous j'hésitais entre une CF Moto 450MT et une Himalayan 450 comme deuxième moto plus orientée vers le solo et le tt, sur le papier, la CF Moto 450MT était en tête mais après plusieurs essais, mon choix c'est définitivement tourné sur l'Himalayan 450 sur laquelle je me suis senti beaucoup plus à l'aise, après plus de 1500kms sur route je ne regrette absolument pas mon choix, j'attends le sabot rallye et les barres de protection basses pour l'emmener dans les sentiers. Merci pour votre partage! Grand ✌de la Haute Savoie en France!!!

[@abitofadetour7315]

Heureux d'avoir des nouvelles de la France. Votre expérience avec les deux motos est très similaire à la mienne et je me demande combien de personnes ayant acheté la 450MT auraient préféré l'Himalayan s'ils l'avaient essayée ? Profitez des sentiers français !

[@simongilbert1554]

Happy to report the Royal Enfield won the day far superior to the CF Moto in my 40 years of motorcycle opinion tried both felt like the Himmi was more fun spent too long humming and haring but the ride the engine the comfort the suspension and the parts all made me put my money down no regrets. Thanks for your vid i rekon many riders going to have this dilema so your vid and thoughts are bang on and likely go a long way to helping others in their time of indecision....The spreadsheet is a bit nerdy tho, just saying! Cheers from NZ.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@simongilbert1554 All right, the spreadsheet wasn’t my finest moment, but it yielded a decision. By the way I can’t wait to get back to NZ, magnificent place.

[@simongilbert1554]

@@abitofadetour7315 Actually I get it with the spreadsheets its sort of a way to convince yourself of what you already feel or a way to push against the prevailing choice when your really stuck! I was riding KTMs but im kinda over that now and a bit tarnished from the experience the CF was nearly in my garage until I rode the RE and was totally taken by the surprise as I didn't want an RE, I didn't want a single but it felt so good on the test and to be honest I found the CF quite bland other than the great pipe noise and that 270 pulse. You put words and pictures to my very dilemma, I think on measure we both came out on top, I'm looking forwards to the next 10,000kms all over NZ.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@simongilbert1554 That is my experience exactly minus the KTM part. I rode a EXC200 25 years ago and loved it, a fantastic 2-stroke engine, but I’ve never been tempted to buy one, yet.

[@keepitreal1547]

I feel exactly as you guys, the Himalayan it is 😊

[@marksteele4364]

You are so right about the fun factor, I'm in my seventh decade and I still love the freedom a bike brings whether you are on the bitumen or riding dirt trails...... I'll never stop. cheers and keep her upright. BTW have you named it yet?

[@garyoneill8868]

Awesome stuff. What are you riding now? I'm a 67yo; had 40yrs no motorbikes.

[@keepitreal1547]

Fantastic 👍 My 411 is called Jack...Jack of all trades, but master of none 😊

[@abitofadetour7315]

I don't name my vehicles, other than "The red one", or "The yellow one". I never like selling a bike but I'm not too sentimental about them I'm afraid.

[@keepitreal1547]

@@abitofadetour7315 I've never named a bike in the dozens I've had, just called them for what model they are...but the Himalayan 411 is a bike you want to name, because it becomes part of you. Never had that feeling before.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@keepitreal1547 We will see.

[@gothegravel]

I have found myself in exactly the same quandry you were in. I had basically decided on the MT subject to a test ride which I did yesterday. Due to my dissapointment with the jerky on/off throttle and a quite clunky feeling gearbox, I decided to test a Himalayan. I didnt expect it to be as good as it was. So, (just quietly), I'm at the spreadsheet stage 😂. Would you be prepared to send me your template?

[@BlueberryFennec]

Supposedly the throttle is already fixed, just needs a software update applied to the bike. Himalayan still awesome, though.

[@garyoneill8868]

When I test rode the CF Moto 450MT in June, the dealer said they knew of and had an ECU fix for the snatchy throttle. No cost to the customer; it was to be fixed in pre-delivery.

[@gothegravel]

I had heard that, and also that some people found it made no difference to the snatchy throttle.

[@keepitreal1547]

The right bike will feel right when riding & you'll turn around to look at it often 😊

[@abitofadetour7315]

My email is in the channel info, drop me a line and I'll send it but not sure how much it will help. Just follow the Fizz!

[@robbcollins3727]

I just put down my deposit on same bike, will pick up next week. Very excited for the new ride.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@robbcollins3727 You won’t be disappointed. It’s a cracking machine.

[@MichaelShaw206]

I have a Kove 450. Bought it after having a Tuareg 660, and decided I needed a lighter bike. Really hard to beat a 450 cc bike for dirt riding. I'm still intrigued by the RE 450 and the CFMoto 450. Looking forward to seeing how you do with the RE. Just subscribed. I believe a bike must put a smile on your face, hence I will test ride the RE Himi to see if I have the wrong bike.

[@abitofadetour7315]

The Kove is an intriguing machine and seems to fit more into the enduro bike with a bigger tank category, which I'm sure means its fantastic off road but only bearable on the bitumen. The Himalayan is much more of an all rounder being 40kg heavier and quite happy on the bitumen but less capable than the Kove off-road. It's all about compromises and what is most important to the rider, and thankfully we can all buy what works best for us.

[@peakrider4886]

You did exactly what I’d have done. Write a comparison list and score them. But in reflection, the bike has to appeal to you, you have to be able to turn around after you’ve parked up and smile, or lift the garage door and be warmed by what’s inside. Both bikes have their merits and appeal to different elements that different people are looking for. How great is it that we have such a choice of bikes available in this category and at prices that are actually affordable.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@peakrider4886 You’re dead right. To borrow a football commentator saying, “The real winner is motorcycling”

[@granthassell9214]

Like a lot of us, I still have that bucket list item of doing "A Lap". With that in the back of the bread box, I really enjoyed your series' going round Oz and Tassie on the big Honda. I am interested in your thoughts on a road trip of a major scale on the Himalayan. I hope there is a trip on the cards. I'd really look forward to it.

[@abitofadetour7315]

Oh there'll be a trip all right! I have a plan to do a big trip mid next year in the winter as I'm not a big fan of riding in the heat. In the meantime I'll be doing some smaller rides closer to home fitting around my work commitments.

[@richardwalker4518]

That was a helpful insight, as in my mind I had the CF moto a leg ahead. R E is better known to me as a brand, so definitely won't be drawing a line through the Himalayan 450, cheers!

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@richardwalker4518 Definitely worth a test ride.

[@rosslangerak8361]

Does the Himalayan have a remote preload adjustment for the shock? If not, Royal Enfield might consider providing a mounting point for a remote adjustment. That would be a selling point for some riders. I would also suggest an 18-inch rim on the rear. That would allow more dirt tire options on what is essentially a dirt bike. Beyond that, the Himalayan sounds like a good light adventure bike.

[@abitofadetour7315]

It doesn't have a remote preload adjuster and at the price I doubt it ever will have. 18" rear rim would have been handy but for reasons best known to RE it comes with a 17" but I haven't struggled to find different tyres. To your last point, yes it is a good lightweight ADV bike, and I'm looking forward to putting more k's on it soon.

[@twouptravels2022]

😂😂😂 the spreadsheet did the trick though! The new bike looks great btw!

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@twouptravels2022 It was a way of corralling my thoughts. I agree on the looks of the bike, it’s a handsome little fellow.

[@darrabase1]

You would never notice that being heavy coming from your last bike, but I notice my 411 Himi, coming from my last bike a Z250, even though owning it was 30yrs ago. I feel the 411 is top heavy, and a darn sight heavier with my wife as pillion, but I still love riding it, will be keeping it long term, more like a local bike but am looking now at a new KLR650, for a bit better hwy speeds 2up, though yes my Himi is staying, I need something that can do a long distance trip better, than like the 3 state trip we did on the Himi.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@darrabase1 I guess it’s all a matter of what your used to. I’ve ridden the 411 for a day and I don’t think I’m ruining the surprise to say the 450 is a very different bike.

[@keepitreal1547]

My friends done 80,000miles on his 411 without any issues, that's praise for any bike.

[@robvanduren761]

Thank you for a realistic look at motorcycling. I still own a big HP bike but i ride a Ninja 400 i brought new. I nearly brought the himi but lack of fairings and always compromising on tyres etc etc steered me in a different direction. If i feel im missing something i can still sell the big bike and get a dual sport because thats what i consider the himi to be.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@robvanduren761 I think it is a dual sport, whatever that is, which is really what a light adventure bike is, whatever an adventure bike is! As long as it’s good off road, workable on the bitumen, and you can strap enough gear onto it without anything breaking, it’s an adventure bike I reckon.

[@notgamingwithmax]

I really enjoyed your opinions.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@notgamingwithmaxThanks. Plenty more where that came from.

[@keepitreal1547]

I thought about which I'd chose & it would be the Himalayan & for the same reasons as you. For what it's worth i feel exactly the same as you do about the MT450. The sit in low seat & high bars, doesn't do it for me.

[@abitofadetour7315]

I reckon the higher seat would make a big difference to the feel of the bike, but that also raises the seat height to where the average bloke like me is back to tippy toes again.

[@acgadventures90]

I reckon you’ve made the right choice mate. The Hime has longer service intervals (double that if cf moto) a great support network around aus and more available stock accessories if that’s your thing. Nothing wrong with CF moto at all, I’ve owned both the RE meteor 650 and the cf moto clx 700. Both excellent bike, and great build quality. The main thing that would sway me to Hime over the MT is the service intervals as well as the MT has very short gearing and is almost red lining at freeway speeds. The HIME cruises without issue at freeway speeds, better touring application.

[@abitofadetour7315]

Thanks for the comment. I agree on the service interval but will probably still change the oil halfway between services because it seems like cheap insurance.

[@djangounhinged7634]

I'm in the Philippines now - but I grew up on dirt bikes in Brissie - the fire trails back of Mt Nebo to Lake Manchester was a fun place to ride and camp. Probably off limits now - that was 50 years ago 😅

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@djangounhinged7634 I’ve been in there twenty years ago, but tricky and legally sticky to go there now sadly.

[@Jonathan-L]

Should have put some knobby tyres on the VFR and made it a 3 way spreadsheet analysis :)

[@timeaftertime3563]

Fuel economy seems to be substantially better on the Himi. Also a good point to consider. Who knows what the price of fuel is going to be in the next few years.

[@abitofadetour7315]

It sips fuel in a very parsimonious way to be sure.

[@anthonya7066]

Think can’t go wrong with either bike, and I don’t own either. I have a fully tricked out DR650 that i love, it’s all about how a bike makes you feel!

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@anthonya7066 Exactly. I had an FJR1300 for a time. It was a great bike but it just didn’t press my buttons so after twelve months or so I sold it and got the VFR.

[@alanflint7732]

Thoughtful video. Cheers.

[@Hungry_Hunter]

Hope you upgraded the horn. Looks like a fun ride.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@Hungry_Hunter It’s a cracker to ride. Loving it.

[@juliancain6128]

You got to list the pros & cons to make an informed choice. Happy trails, and keep us posted on how the RE does!

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@juliancain6128 Don’t worry, you’ll be sick of me in no time.

[@juliancain6128]

@@abitofadetour7315 LOL 👍

[@DesVids]

Both bikes that people have been waiting for, comes down to whether you want modern vs retro. I'd go for the Royal Enfield. They have a really nice range of bikes at the moment.

[@abitofadetour7315]

You could make a case the main difference is the styling and the extra, or missing, cylinder. They are very different engines for sure.

[@titaniumquarrion9838]

I’d say looks should be decider if these bikes were equal. They aren’t. Not even close. If people choose the CF over the RE based purely on styling they are making a mistake. The RE is superior in every regard. Engine, power delivery, fuel consumption, suspension on and off-road handling. I’d also suggest for those on Ls and Ps the a rudimentary though effective Nav system on the RE is also a massive bonus. I’d add some other issues with the CF being it’s KTM knock-off and, for some, the ethics involved in dropping a decent sum on a Chinese product given their record with workers and human rights.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@titaniumquarrion9838 I think the Himalayan design was arrived at from a completely different direction to the 450MT’s design requirements. That they occupy such similar terrain is almost an accident.

[@ganzmontejo4176]

​@@titaniumquarrion9838you almost had me on the first half. Your remarks for cfmoto is just being hateful. I dont see anything that indicates cfmoto as being a knockoff. I have the RE myself but your comment shows the bad side of the motorcycle community. Bad bad

[@titaniumquarrion9838]

@@ganzmontejo4176 Yes how dare consumers have opinions on why and how they spend there money. I have a right to an opinion and a right to voice it. Maybe try countering the points I made you disagree with vs simply whining that I was blunt and to the point in my honesty. While you are at it feel free to clarify how that is showing the bad side of community? By all means enlighten as as to how I am wrong about China's unethical industrial practices and human rights record. You can also explain how consumers shouldn't consider the ethics involved when giving an industry their money. The bad side is blind brand loyalty. The worst is the fact many riders get around on-road like it''s a race track with zero regard for anyone else. Of course you may also just be a CCP shill....

[@RS23545]

never regret your choices in life. just enjoy the ride.

[@billumand]

Its good that you’re not a woman…. Else with this attitude you’d be a single mother with not one but two baby daddies 😅

[@jonathanmellish4439]

Well I think you made a well considered choice. I looked at the Triumph because it’s a nice design and looks like it’s big brother. I was at the Enfield dealer to look at the Guerrilla and the sales guy said try the 450 Himalayan which I wasn’t considering but I preferred it to the Triumph and it does everything I would want except make a nice noise.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@jonathanmellish4439 The noise it makes is pretty average, however, it does make a nice intake growl when you open the taps a bit!

[@jonathanmellish4439]

@ thanks I am looking forward to further videos.

[@3goldfinger]

If you live on the north side, Woodford is the best place for dirth tracks. Have you signed up for next Saturday ride.

[@abitofadetour7315]

Yes I have. Tomorrow I believe I’ll find out if I’m one of the chosen few!

[@3goldfinger]

@@abitofadetour7315 Will see you there, hoping for good weather.

[@vvveenn]

The one that puts a smile on your face is definitely the way to go when it comes to bikes 👍

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@vvveenn 100%. I just had to satisfy the logical part of my brain first.

[@vvveenn]

@@abitofadetour7315 I’m also partial to a spreadsheet 😊

[@seratago]

I was all set on the MT450 until I rode it. Not quite enough poke. This vid has reminded me that instead of paying 50-100% more for something with more poke, I should test ride the Himalayan first.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@seratago It can’t hurt. It doesn’t have more poke but it delivers it in a more interesting way.

[@randomnummba7478]

Well Said! I dont think that i ever bought a bike before with that outstanding fun(+quality)/price ratio....

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@randomnummba7478 That’s what I usually do but for some reason these two bikes made life hard for me. In the end it came down to which was more fun.

[@jaisabai4155]

" .... puts a smile on my face". Really? I'd like to see that! 😁 However, right choice and happy riding.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@jaisabai4155 It’s a figure if speech, of course I don’t actually physically smile.

[@marek5645]

I've had mine for 5500km down here in Melbourne. No issues at all. Added the DNA and the racks. Love it. Thinking of getting the guerilla for around town and to work. That would mean selling my super meteor though... Hmmmm decisions.😊

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@marek5645 That’s good news. The Guerilla is an interesting looking bike but a bit close to the what I’ve already got to consider buying one, but I’ll probably try one out.

[@sniperule2004]

Cf moto 450 convinced me to get my first new bike. I did not like the vibrations on Himalayan 450. Also it felt heavyer even than trans-alp. Screen seemed to stay behind.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@sniperule2004 In reverse, yes the maps on the Tripper dash are a bit laggy, the Transalp does feel very light sitting on it, I don’t find the vibrations a problem at all. Happy you’ve entered the world of motorcycling, welcome into the tent!

[@sniperule2004]

@@abitofadetour7315 The most important part is that you like what you ride! I did not think i would leave with a new bike from that event! Already 900 km with no isues! I am not yet sure i can lift it offroad, as my old bike was only 152 kg...About the spread spreadsheet, we have a funyy story, there was a man that liked 3 wemen. One was beautiful, the other was smart, and the 3rd one had big tits! He chose the one with big tits! I like the fact that i cand stop abs with a dedicated switch. I also enjoy the easy to flip windscreen. Ordered a taller windscreen, high saddle, crash bars and central stand all under 500$.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@sniperule2004 Accessories for the 450MT are certainly keenly priced, something the big brands won’t be happy about I dare say. Slightly off topic but Nissan recently quoted me $1500 for a new steering wheel for my sons old Xtrail. Just the wheel, airbag, control buttons etc were all extra. I asked him if he sold many and he didn’t seem happy! Ended up getting an as new one from the wreckers for $100.

[@sniperule2004]

@@abitofadetour7315 Yes they have better prices than aliexpress! But i payed 3 months ago 50% and i only got the windshield and suports for the bags... Also i payed 5600 euro on the bike and now it is 500 euro more expensive in 2025. I had the luck to get the bike in less than one month, 4 days after my birthday Last one with the smaller price!

[@nigelfisher6896]

I agree with you 100%. I've ridden both and I'm looking at the Enfield. I'm in Brisbane too. Where did you get yours? Did you manage to get a discount?

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@nigelfisher6896 I bought mine from Brett up at Bucks Auto and Cycle in Toowoomba. An old school independent shop with a great selection of interesting used bikes to look at. Discount wise the best I could do was 12 months rego instead of 6. I prefer to deal with smaller businesses and they are the only dealer in the greater area that isn’t owned by a conglomerate. Give him a call and mention my name and tell him you want the extra rego deal!

[@mattjones4817]

Test riding both tomorrow. Totally at an impasse too. Still happy with your decision?

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@mattjones4817 Absolutely. Since I’ve owned it I’ve also discovered the three years of free roadside assistance that RE provides and I’ve been on two organised RE rides. Very happy with my decision.

[@vaerenbergh]

Maintenance is also a big thing

[@Jonathan-L]

That and dealership network, spares availability.

[@sausagesandwichSA]

Agree on the VW...had a 2000 New Beetle which was a shocker. Scarred me for life 😂

[@pauls8456]

NX500 might have mucked the spreadsheet up?

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@pauls8456 if they make a 21” front wheel version I’ll be thrown into confusion no doubt about it.

[@martyn_g]

I test rode both. Bought a Himi. Ergos, engine and gearbox were my reasons. I’m going to put it out there - the CF is the on trend bike, but you watch - they’re going to end up on bikesales because aspects of the bike are going to be irritating over the long haul. Such as the engine.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@martyn_g Everything ends up on bikesales eventually. The CF appeals to a certain crowd as does the Himalayan. I don’t think there’s a right or wrong choice but for me it was the Himalayan.

[@elador28]

I did the same choice w/o excel comparison. I'm waiting to my new himi delivery and I'd love to put my hands on your list. Can you share it with me?

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@elador28 There’s an email in my profile somewhere, if you send me an email I’m sure I can be persuaded to send you a copy.

[@JagLite]

That's what is important, what bike puts a smile on our face.

[@abitofadetour7315]

Agreed, it's all that matters really.

[@pauljoyquilter359]

Have to raise issue with your K1200RS analogy… I have had 2 of them, and did over 120,000kms on one of them. Had bar backs and never felt like I was sitting in a bathtub. I am only 5’8” - yet felt instantly at home on the K12, it was the best bike I have had this far. I only sold it because it was getting too heavy to move around the garage as I got past 70 yrs old. Went to a Suzuki GSXS 1000GT - it’s lighter, fun to ride, but nowhere near as comfortable for long rides, and the suspension is not in the same league even after spending $2k+ on upgrading it.

[@abitofadetour7315]

Maybe the one I rode had a lowered seat or something, it was weird to ride. Fantastic engine though, very torquey.

[@ArmaMoto]

Ride by wire makes it worth it over the CF Moto for anyone who logs long miles. Adding cruise control would be a matter of a button and tuning. Veridian does this for around $300 on many ride by wire bikes that for some odd reason did not have factory cruise control.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@ArmaMoto It might be something I look at if I ever decide to do another lap around Australia but I didn’t really miss it last time on the VFR but they’re very different bikes. If it was affordable I’d probably give it a try but most CC systems seem to be near $1000 and that’s a lot of cheap motels.

[@steveluker8107]

Do something with the tank styling and I think the sales should improve.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@steveluker8107 From certain angles it looks spot on but from others it can look a bit awkward. It looks better in the flesh than in photos though.

[@craigdrury3900]

Did you find a lot of vibration from the handlebars - especially after the first ride ?

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@craigdrury3900 A little bit, not enough to be a problem. Less than most singles I would say.

[@thelonewolf666]

great advice mate

[@richardw1043]

You didn't go with a KLR650?

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@richardw1043 I did not. I don’t mind the KLR at all, but I wanted a more modern machine than the KLR could offer me.

[@holymoyses4797]

How is the tacho? I heard it changes into a map

[@abitofadetour7315]

It does, sort of. You need the RE app, and your phone needs to remain on, and you can only use the Google Maps that's embedded into the app. It works, and for around city navigation it works well, but I'm not convinced its an alternative to a stand alone device, be it phone or GPS.

[@bishopkinlyside8477]

Hi, I’ve been watching these Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 some of the KZbinrs are riding them across India and what they put them through. I just can’t believe it. Unfortunately I only have one leg. I lost my right leg above the knee in a major truck accident in 2018 If I could ride, one of these, that’s definitely what I’d get on my real big fan of these bikes the Royal Enfield Himalayan, 450 other standout ones for everything I’ve been watching. Anyway that’s only my choice. Everyone else is different. You’ve got a ride the bike to find out if you like it, I still ride a motorbike or so-called motorbike, a Canam, Ryker, 900. Cliff from Logan City, Queensland, Australia 🇦🇺 I’m on the big island 🏝️

[@abitofadetour7315]

I’m sorry to hear about your accident, it must be extremely difficult adjusting to losing something so fundamental as a leg. I’ve often wondered what the three wheel reverse trikes are like to ride, they do look like they’d be fun. I recently saw a KZbin video on the Revzilla channel where they took two three wheel bikes off-road, one of which was a CanAm from memory, and they were surprisingly capable.

[@ralphfoley4827]

It's got a main stand. Easy maintenance.

[@abitofadetour7315]

This is true. I didn’t realise it had until I went to pick it up and was on its centre stand.

[@sauravshete6088]

James May’s fizzing sensation 🥹

[@Onceuponatimejotaele]

How about the Macbor Montana XR5?

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@Onceuponatimejotaele It seems more road biased and might be a bit heavy but not a bad looking bike at all. Not available in Oz to my knowledge however.

[@Onceuponatimejotaele]

@@abitofadetour7315 Thank you for your feedback. Yes, the Macbor definitely looks more road oriented, although it's a relatively light bike (lighter than the Himalayan and also the engine has a bit more power... ).

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@Onceuponatimejotaele It’s weight is 178 dry, so going to be hard to see it below 200 wet. Still, not as heavy as a lot of similar machines which is a pleasant change in direction.

[@cloud9847]

oh but I do buy them because I have to have one. 100% can confirm. I bought my first bike just under 2yrs ago and must have one in my life now lolol. I'm also at a crossroads between these 2 bikes. The CFmoto also has things like foldable levers and comes with hand guards and a full bash plate. They might not be the top of the line but it comes with it. Few other things too...BUT...that Enfield just has something about it for me. I do believe it'll be the one I go for early 2025.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@cloud9847 I can only suggest a decent test ride on both bikes if you’re undecided. It was the riding experience that eventually brought me to buy the Himalayan. I should also say I am increasingly impressed with its off-road ability which you’ll see in an upcoming video.

[@cloud9847]

@@abitofadetour7315 thank you for the reply! Yes, I've test ridden the Himalayan but not the Cfmoto. Nearest CFmoto to me is almost 2hrs ride/drive and I just haven't made the time. I really think I'll end up with the Hanle Black tubeless. What are your thoughts on tubeless vs tubed? I plan to do highway miles to get me from A to B and then off-road as much as possible.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@cloud9847 Opinions vary but tubeless seem to be a better option on road but tyre choice for off road is a bit more limited due to the 17” rear. Not sure there is any performance advantage either way off road but probably less likely to get a flat off road with tubeless assuming you keep the pressure up near road levels. I’m not a tyre expert, I’m just rubbish at changing tubes so went tubeless as I’ve had some success plugging tubeless tyres over the years when I’ve picked up a screw or nail.

[@cloud9847]

@@abitofadetour7315 ty good sir!

[@davestraight8219]

i have an nc750x and want something lighter - theres lots to like about the cf and in europe a voge 900 - which is getting great reviews but after discounting a bsa gold star im thinking i might go for a re 450 as had a go on a 411 and apart from not quick and the brakes were shite - it was great so better brakes and a little more go = 450 - so maybe :) - only thing i cant decide on is guerilla or this as dont do off road but this has better colours

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@davestraight8219 The Guerilla looks like a fun bike, basically the same thing with different forks by the looks of it. Get yourself a test ride and see it gives you the fizz.

[@simongilbert1554]

Wow I have had exactly the same problem

[@TallyHoTech]

You made the right choice

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@TallyHoTech I can only agree!

[@68chewy]

I had a discussion with another motorcycle guy, he wanted the 450MT. I said I liked it too, but it was an 80/20 dirt and not for me. He said it was an 80/20 road. ?? I think this Himalayan is more like 70/30 road, and more what I want.

[@abitofadetour7315]

I would say it’s biased toward off road but is perfectly happy on the road. It’s a sliding scale that is hard to pin down precisely. Tyre choice also makes a difference.

[@istra70]

If it has " Royal " in name ... it must be class !

[@untamedsmiles1338]

Thank you

[@davidkerr6597]

I think I'm going to fire my therapist and just watch your videos :)

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@davidkerr6597 Glad I could help but don’t be too hasty!

[@lweleven3423]

I wish I was 5ft 10 😂 I maybe able to put my feet down on a few bikes . I’ve been off bikes for a few years contemplating buying another and ride till I can’t ride any further just wish borders and visas weren’t such a pain

[@esrider7765]

Right choice

[@titaniumquarrion9838]

I’d say looks should be decider if these bikes were equal. They aren’t. Not even close. If people choose the CF over the RE based purely on styling they are making a mistake. The RE is superior in every regard. Engine, power delivery, fuel consumption, suspension on and off-road handling. The latter will surprise many as the CF looks like it should be better off-road. I’d also suggest for those on Ls and Ps the a rudimentary though effective Nav system on the RE is also a massive bonus. I’d add some other issues with the CF being it’s KTM knock-off and, for some, the ethics involved in dropping a decent sum on a Chinese product given their record with quality control, workers and human rights.

[@martyn_g]

One thing I will say is human rights. Look at the UK. Subjugated two thirds of the globe through imperial force. Australia- look at the referendum on the indigenous voice, and how they’ve been treated since Europeans took control. Indigenous in the USA - exactly the same. My point? No one from many western countries can call out China on this, when our countries have been just as bloody awful.

[@martyn_g]

And you buy an Indian bike, look how they treat the lower classes.

[@keepitreal1547]

The 411 has been a global success & rightly so, a friend of mine has covered 80,000miles on his without any issues...& the 452 is an improved version. Amazing bikes.

[@titaniumquarrion9838]

@@martyn_g Nowhere near as bad as the Chinese.India isn't also a threat in the area of the world I live in. My statement and rationale stands. Run along.

[@andrewhamilton3486]

Haha 😄 winner of the "2024 spreadsheet challenge" RE marketing are all over this......bit like Volvo "boxy but safe" (was that thanks to Dudley Moore??)

[@abitofadetour7315]

Dudley Moore is Crazy People I think. Weird movie. I’m a big Dudley fan, incredible pianist.

[@andrewhamilton3486]

Do you still have the vfr?

[@abitofadetour7315]

At the minute but its sale is imminent. Just need to sort out a new tyre and change the oil, plus give it a solid cleaning, and it will hit bikesales.

[@AlphaKllL]

I did the same choice some weeks ago

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@AlphaKllL Well done, I trust you enjoy this charismatic machine.

[@adamjohnston2057]

Is John going to sell the BMW and buy the cfmoto

[@abitofadetour7315]

He is looking at new bikes, but he’s a hard man to read so not sure which way he’ll jump.

[@adamjohnston2057]

@@abitofadetour7315 it's very interesting to watch because I was looking at the cfmoto myself

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@adamjohnston2057 Best to ride both for a decent period of time and see which you like most. I test rode the MT courtesy of the Ipswich dealer and they were quite helpful.

[@ShaftedJohn]

Yes, No. I’m considering the Hanway G30 just to see the resulting CN/IN discussion!

[@christiangrendel9893]

Hey up mate. Your honesty about the spread sheet had me giggling. We're about the same age and if something puts a smile on my face, then I'm going for it. I don't always want to make thought out decisions. Done that for too much in the past. Have a good one.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@christiangrendel9893 I usually have no trouble deciding what to buy, and the brain rarely needs to get involved, it’s all seat of the pants stuff. This time I really was stuck, hence the excel intervention. You have a good one too.

[@roadstrom]

Take it to Glasshouse mountains you'll have a ball 👍

[@abitofadetour7315]

Its on my list. I used to ride my DR and my WR up there some years ago but its been a while since I've ridden there.

[@LiviuXSA]

Liam Cunningham is a motorcyclist?

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@LiviuXSA Fuzzy wuzzy was a woman?

[@timfoyles]

I thought i was the only one who did spreadsheets. data analyst by trade so its how i make most decisions. got my 450 delivered last week, unfortunately bike had to go back to the dealer, as the front brake light switch wasn't working. annoying, but dealer was apologetic and offered a 3 day fix. Royal Enfield QA obviously to blame.

[@abitofadetour7315]

It's good to know I'm not alone. Little niggles are not ideal but happen with all things from time to time. At the price you have to have realistic expectations I think, and a brake light switch isn't a show stopper.

[@quadsquadgarage]

If it makes you fell less embarrassed, I have a spreadsheet with six bikes on it lol. Nothing wrong with doing proper research before any purchase.

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@quadsquadgarage I’ve employed the spreadsheet method with used cars to get a handle on price versus k's and condition, but this was a first.

[@thehoelzels6316]

The CFMOTO 450MT motor isn't new. It's been out since 2023. It is also in 3 other models. My guess is they are betting "the farm" on it to be putting it in a total of 4 models

[@abitofadetour7315]

@@thehoelzels6316It’s a nice smooth motor if a little anodyne in its power delivery.