Why Did Mewtwo Return To Cerulean Cave? - Pokemon Theory

[@FlintsInfernape]

I think my favorite part of this theory is that the easiest way to encounter mew in RBY through glitches is right there on nugget bridge next to Cerulean Cave.

[@PoolKid75]

I think Mewtwo hid in Cerulean Cave because it's the safest place in Kanto to hide. It's a deep cave that requires multiple HMs to fully explore, and it's filled with the strongest wild Pokemon in the region, which therefore provides an extra layer of protection, as it deters weak Pokemon trainers from attempting to explore deeper into the cave. The odds of anyone finding it there or even being able to reach it are slim, and so it feels safe there.

[@vaderwilcox7398]

How do you know the pokemon arent strong bc of mewtwo being there

[@nathanbirchall933]

Agreed

[@verglas.]

@@vaderwilcox7398 ???

[@smhgaming3259]

@@verglas. mewtwo make mon stronger watch the first pokemon movie and you'd understand

[@christiansamaroo]

I agree with this scenario

[@Buzterer]

I always thought mewtwo was born at least a couple years before the story and they knew it was there for a while, and they started doing the silph thing now because the masterball is finally ready

[@moseshunter4585]

DON'T YOU DARE CUT YOUR HAIR!!!! My first reaction a few weeks ago was just utter shock from the curls and the beauty. It's perfect for you. Plz don't cut it < 3

[@jeffbrownstain]

I never really questioned how little I comprehended about Giovannis actual plans all my life... Had Team Rocket not spent so much time telling me how evil they are, I probably wouldn't have believed ol' Geo was anything all that bad either.

[@the_godbodor7026]

I love the issue that Giovanni went for the Silph Scope to get ghost types to counter Mewtwo when in Gen 1 they were ineffective against psychic types. Great plan Giovanni.

[@hazyviews999]

Always a wonderful afternoon seeing a new BKT video

[@fawful-chortles1281]

Very solid video, good job. But there are a few problems with this theory: 1. Mewtwo had to have been created years before Red’s journey. We know this because Mr. Fuji (Dr. Fuji at the time) is strongly implied (if not straight-up confirmed) to be the creator of Mewtwo (or at least the one who headed the project). And then, when he realized how far he went in throwing away his own morales once he found out what a savage creature Mewtwo was, he was filled with guilt and shame, which is why he retired from research and lived out the rest of his days caring for orphaned and abandoned Pokémon to atone for his actions. Based on dialogue from the citizens of Lavender Town, Mr. Fuji has been doing this for years before Red came along. 2. The DNA of Mew that was used to create Mewtwo did not come from Mt. Moon; it came from Faraway Island. If you visit the location in Emerald, there is an aged signpost that is strongly implied to have been written by Dr. Fuji (expressing his hope that only a kindhearted person with good intentions may ever set foot on the island, further showcasing his regret over his actions). Since Faraway Island is the only known location in canon where a wild Mew could be encountered, and we know that Fuji visited the island at some point, it stands to reason that the DNA of Mew (which came from the Mew that resides there) was obtained by Dr. Fuji on Faraway Island. I’m not saying Team Rocket’s activities in Mt. Moon had absolutely nothing to do with their hunt for Mewtwo (perhaps they wanted the fossils to test the regenerative machine on Cinnabar in case they ever get their hands on Mew’s DNA) but it’s also perfectly possible that it was just a scheme to make money (perhaps to aid in their takeover of Silph Co.).

[@connorgray3044]

Interesting theory, but it seems more likely that Mew was found on Faraway Island rather than in Cerulean Cave, at least when we look at the journals in Pkmn Mansion. Interesting piece about it on Bulbapedia Either way, all descriptions we have so far are that Mew was discovered in a jungle, not a cave

[@AS-ri1mb]

@x Somehow, Palpatine returned

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

@x *if they found mews fossil there........ It's still an assumption. I think even some of it's Pokedex entrys claim in a jungle.

[@jacoosacoon118]

@x .... yeah they said not mt. moon but cerulean cave... The video was about Cerulean Cave possibly being where they found Mewtwo. So no OP has perfectly acceptable comprehension skills.

[@jacoosacoon118]

@x nope not at all. Go watch the video again. :) lmao so bent out of shape

[@anthonyxwrld]

There's more than one mew BTW for anyone still lurking around in this comment thread✌🏾

[@KaiCyreus]

you might have cracked it! i never realised how unclear the relation between each Team Rocket encounter in Kanto was, but it looks like you've already put it all together given the theory, i personally think Giovanni probably takes a little longer than you propose, as they're still looking for Fossils as you arrive in Mt. Moon which i think means they haven't found Mew's DNA yet - also the Dig TM has only just been stolen as you arrive in Cerulean City, so i reckon before returning it the Rocket Grunt teaches it to a Pokémon so that they can finally find it after that, Giovanni has all the time between your 2nd and 7th Gym Badges to get his plans into motion as you said pretty much

[@BirdKeeperToby]

Thanks I love this ^_^

[@afanofstuff9123]

@@BirdKeeperToby it's actually genius and your thought of him remembering where his fossil was dug up it has some evidence to prove it too if you add a little anime into it we know for a fact fossil pokemon have remnant memories like genesect remembering the flowers of their home and aerodactyl remembering the food it used to eat. Mewtwo probably has memories of that cave maybe the mew of the past lived only in caves that would also explain why in X&Y another mewtwo is found in a cave again probably staying in caves because that's all it remembers as home

[@Woozy_Official]

That’s really interesting

[@Kahtisemo]

Not only that, but in Gen I the rival has three separate sprites that show distinct age difference from Rival I to Rival 3 meaning the journey in-verse has got to be at least over a year.

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

I disagree to some level ..... Mewtwo was already created a long time ago. In LGFR wasn't the mansion in ruins? Old and beat up?. If they were dinging in mt. Moon they were probably still trying to find another new fossil to creat a new mew or create another "GMO monster" using the helix and dome fossils.

[@aquinprime]

Here's a good one. When we hear Pikachu talk in I choose you movie it's actually ash finally understanding pikechu explaining why ash can understand him

[@verylostdoommarauder]

People complain about the story in modern games being unskippable and direct and now we know why they do it. Because the one time they tried to do a more implied story where you have to piece it together, it took 26 years for anyone to figure it out.

[@TomAmit42]

04:32, 05:50 - So, on the one hand - You're asking us to not believe the movie regarding Mewtwo destroying the mansion, though it doesn't contradict any information in the games. And on the other hand - You're asking us to indeed believe the movie regarding Team Rocket having only a Mew fossil instead of a live Mew, though it does contradict information in the games: the diary saying "Mew gave birth".

[@sheer_1]

I agree with a lot of what you said but giving birth doesn't have to be meant literally. It can be meant figuratively/metaphorically. They probably meant Mew's genes created something different.

[@NavyBlueDude]

Psychic Resonance. It tracks.

[@mitchc.2660]

Except the diary excerpts throughout the Pokemon Mansion clearly say that Mewtwo was born to Mew in the past (in Let's Go's English version, they omit the birthing part). So, I have to immediately disagree with this theory. Not to mention that the other Rocket encounters are easily explained by them just trying to swell ranks or get items/pokemon to sell. They are a mafia-esque team. They aren't really going for world domination; they want money, wealth, and power that get them that. It's also heavily implied in many games that Mr. Fuji is the one who authored the journal entried about Mewtwo in the Mansion. This theory isn't very strong, even after only scratching the surface.

[@Javiikawaki]

Bump.

[@PrinceDinoboy]

I agree. While this is a very cool idea, I feel like people see that Giovanni owns a Mewtwo and think he made it.

[@rossteenrezamansouri-rad4963]

I was about to say this

[@elijahpadilla5083]

@@PrinceDinoboy It blends game lore with anime lore, where Mewtwo's creation was partially Team Rocket's doing; Giovanni let Dr. Fuji have the funding he needed to do cloning research to make his daughter anew, if and only if he created the most powerful Pokémon possible.

[@elpopman2055]

Yeah the English localzation team does a poor job at translation. Mewtwo was originally Baby mew in game before they perform Cruel experiments upon it.. you know would be a nice headcanon? it wasn't Mewtwo that caused the destruction and Rampage. It is Acually Mewtwo's Mother, Mew....it Took on Mewtwo appearance and Killed everyone in the lab. Another headcanon that Mew brought Mewtwo to the Cerulean cave and that Mew is searching for a Pokemon trainer pure of heart to entrust her Child to. Can You imagine the potential Horor and Karmic factor of legendary Pokemon are more then will retaliate when Humans Cross certain Moral lines.. How Mew was able to locate Mewtwo?. Here's another headcanon.. every time baby mew/Mewtwo suffer it subconsciously send out a a psychic distress signal that akin to baby calling out for it parent to help.. it's possible that Mew do leave Offspring on their own.. it is confirmed that Mew species can't transform into any Pokemon and is also rumored that the dittos failed Mew clones.. both are pink and both shiny forms are blue.. it doesn't help that ditto also appear around the laboratory in the are also connected to the Pokemon go research about mew.

[@dinogolfer]

It's also possible this is a SECOND Mewtwo. Many years ago, the first Mewtwo is made in the lab and destroys it. This mewtwo escapes and goes elsewhere in the world to get far away from the creators it hates (perhaps it's the one in Kalos?). In present day, Giovanni seeks out another fossil in Mt Moon, where the first one was found (The first one was probably destroyed by Mewtwo), and succeeds. Whether or not he was involved in the first attempt I'm not sure, but this time he prepares far better by attempting to get a Master ball and ghost types. I think this is more likely simply due to the fact that I feel like it'd take far more time to successfully get to the point where cloning it would be possible, unless this is attempt #2 and the first attempt took far longer. It's also possible that the first attempt actually failed, possibly causing the creation of ditto, and wasn't attempted again until modern day. The destruction or abandonment of the lab could have been from the failure exploding and damaging the entire building, or just damaging the machinery and forcing them to go elsewhere.

[@Axecon1]

That's actually a pretty cool perspective on Gen 1! And it actually lines up pretty decently with the Pokemon Adventures Manga take on the Mewtwo creation story and Team Rocket. You can actually see Team Rocket working on the creation process throughout Red's adventure and it's not until the end of the Kanto saga that Mewtwo gets loose and Red captures it.

[@vanguardbreaker8826]

Is it not Blaine that captures it? Ik Red fights it before the Indigo Plateau, but Blaine battles with Mewtwo against the E4 in the Yellow chapter.

[@Axecon1]

@@vanguardbreaker8826 Red actually is the one who captures it and uses the Master Ball. But he gifts it to Red immediately afterwards

[@slycactus]

I’ve had this theory that Meltan and Melmetal were essential to the creation of Mewtwo. This also may connect to why Mewtwo went back to Cerulean Cave as that same cave’s crystals reacts with Melmetal (giving it get a goldish hue) so maybe the crystals in that cave have an effect on Mewtwo as well

[@RavenZombieX]

Maybe the mewtwo armor was made of meltans. Maybe there was mewtwoite in the cave...

[@damonlaw8218]

🤣🤣🤣​@@RavenZombieX

[@shinymagiicarp]

Hey Toby, love you and your content :)

[@J75Pootle]

I was literally just thinking about how all the team rocket encounters were connected the other day. I came to the conclusion that they were simply just a mafia-esque mob and that there was no logic behind their motives - but I genuinely think you've cracked it! It all just makes so much sense how you say it went down, this is so cool to see new theories still coming to light after 25 years of the game being out

[@gabriellockwood2780]

@BirdKeeperToby Everybody forgets that Lt. Surge, Sabrina, and Koga are all working as part of Team Rocket. (manga) Their tasks were to hunt down and capture the Kanto Birds--Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres.

[@Kenseiblades]

Absolutely loved the video. Well explained and dives deep into multiple areas of the game/series to explain how and why the events unfolded as they did. Bird Keeper Detective Toby on the case!

[@danieldishon688]

Theory: the munks at Belsprout Tower are trying to create a new rival religion to the one represented by the Gold Tower, or a religion to replace the Silver one that burnt down. Their tower has a swaying wood pendulum in it. So does the Gold tower. Their munks have ghastly. So does the burnt down tower.

[@pkmntrainermark8881]

I wouldn't say Rainbow Rocket Giovanni confirms that he was after Mewtwo so much as if unimpeded, he would have gone after it eventually.

[@eunminji2994]

Just a theory I just came up rn, but maybe the reason why they try getting the fossils is the same reason as why they try getting the silph scope: trying to obtain pokemon super effective against mewtwo. Kabutops and Omastar are maybe originally bug type, and maybe they are the strongest bugs around their time. Then again, there’s possible contradictions here like how maybe Kabutops and Omastar aren’t able to be ressurected to their original typings and team rocket already know that (they probably still tried given team rocket are financially powerful), and it just happens that there are fossils of other mons when theyre finding mew’s. Idk

[@lxxdccvii4805]

Bugs cant have bones soooo

[@Matthew_Baratheon]

This reminds me of a theory I had when I first played Gold and Silver as a young man, who had seen Pokemon the First movie and then who played Generation 2 with some expectations that never came up, like the return of Mewtwo. When I was young, I was not aware of how unbalanced the Psychic type was, as I just thought they were powerful, particularly because of Mewtwo. And so when the Dark Type was created in Gen 2, I originally thought that we would find out that Team Rockett was responsible for this new type existing in the first place. And similarly, the type chart changing for Ghosts that made it mirror the Dark type offensively, It was my head cannon that Team Rockett's interests with the Ghosts in the Original Game was to create a new Pokemon that would be strong against Mewtwo, so that they could either recapture it, or simply have protection against potential Mewtwo revenge. I also thought this a big reason why Gold and Silver had that strong Kanto connection after you became the Johto Champion...at that level now you are ready to go and find out the secret about Team Rockett and the Dark Type. I even wondered for some time, at least until I got the official guide for Gold and Silver, if there was A Dark Mewtwo related pokemon in the game...something that was meant to be the Gold and Silver equivalent to Mewtwo..but at last that was not to be realized.

[@Aegis1708]

When you started with the dig tm part, I knew this was gonna be a good theory, and it was, great job

[@tonyplaysguitar101]

This is really clever and well thought out! Love it!

[@zahidamuyen8262]

hi toby, umm i was wondering why the ancestor of the player you choose just disappears in legends arceus. If the ancestor isnt there then dawn or lucas wouldnt even exist in pokemon brilliant diamond and shining pearl, right? and we should be able to meet our own ancestors, right?

[@zahidamuyen8262]

ok so I watched your "125 hidden secrets in pokemon legends arceus" video and I thought about it a lot and I'm pretty sure that you can't be your own ancestor because if we get sent back in time and our ancestor doesn't exist, then we wont exist in the present time. Even if we accept the fact that the ancestor is gone, we cant be our own ancestor because WE wouldn't exist in the present (because a child with different genes will be born instead). It would only make sense if for some reason, our ancestor is not in jubilife village when we arrive there.

[@kennylambert9503]

So if you notice the grunt who took the dig hm seems to have dug a hole into the wall of the house... So maybe they used it to make the base in the game corner ( which is also a hole in the wall ) maybe because mewtwo destroyed the previous team rocket base? Or did he? 🤔 idk

[@adamwade6243]

I suppose you could do a Pokemon Theory or two about if Pokémon that need Elemental Stones or other Evolutionary Items in order to evolve really need those said things to begin with or if those said Pokémon might have a natural evolution that we don't know about yet that would act as another Evolutionary Path for those said Pokémon that usually have to go and look for other Pokémon and/or Rare Items in order for them to evolve into their more powerful forms?

[@shadowmarauder6033]

A very interesting theory! And I love that it helps explain Giovanni’s plans.

[@deczone1]

You just forgot the fact that is specifically stated that they found mew in South America

[@thomasbird7125]

Great theory, I’ve never really questioned or connected the dots between the Rocket encounters in Kanto, but it all makes sense now!

[@HedeccaTamer]

Ngl, this theory gave me goosebumps I'd LOVE a Kanto revisit where the story is explicitly about Mewtwo

[@remyoconnor3141]

I thought this was going to be terrible fan theory, but you totally sold me. Subscribed!

[@Iskaid]

That makes so much sense. I always assumed he wasn't in the gym at the start because he was in Celadon City managing Team Rocket, and he only went back at times when there wasn't a mission to give someone. The way you explained it connects all the dots perfectly.

[@igi-chan]

I F***** LOVE THIS THEORY!!!!!!

[@Thetallestgirrafe]

I’m not someone who is normally into theory videos, as they seem to be kinda fan fictiony stretches a lot of the time. This was not one of them. This is a nice little video which explains a game I played as a kid with a cool take I couldn’t have picked up on. Hell yeah man, good job.

[@jurgeysamuel]

Some of your stuff I'm skeptical about, but this all checks out pretty well!

[@jayhightower8592]

Love it!! Makes so much since and adds another layer to the old games story

[@CaptainObliviousV]

The Cinnabar Mansion being long abandoned for the labs, but recently being used as a hidden research facility is actually backed up by Blane too. We know he’s a scientist with a love for trivia and pyrotechnics, but given his profession, proximity to the labs and mansion it’s safe to assume he helped with the creation of Mewtwo (and is directly stated/shown as fact in the Adventures manga, though take that as you will since it’s different canons). The most crucial bit of evidence towards his involvement and Mewtwo’s creation being more recent is that his gym’s key is down there, and even if he just threw it down there as part of his gym challenge, he’d still either need to know the layout of the mansion or would inevitably come across Mewtwo’s files and the machines it was created with while looking for a spot (which I think he’d make a big deal about to the public if he wasn’t initially aware of it).

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

The adventures manga is closer to the official or real story of Pokemon. Closer to Satoshi's vision.

[@keeganguyer5237]

8:41 Remember in Ranger 3 there was that flying superweapon and Armor that could control Pokemon? And how the Griceious Orb was given some lore in the DLC Mission at Oblivia Ruins? Rasp Cavern’s Trials? And Arceus’ DLC Mission? Yeah, we might want to revisit that region again

[@loganjohnson4209]

With the whole Giovanni concept dogging up fossils, it definitely works in tandem with the fact that he specializes mostly in ground types. I like this theory my man

[@loganjohnson4209]

Digging* 😂😂

[@wheelsndealz]

When the grunt says " what if Giovanni finds out about this" I think it's about him losing. Not him being there.

[@BlazexHD]

another interesting bit is the fact that in the og kanto games there's a glitch you can do to encounter mew and it's right there next to cerulean cave, on the nugget bridge.

[@thetwilightjourneys]

In Pokémon Fire Red, and Leaf Green, there's also an additional encounter with Team Rocket

[@DSVN23]

Great theory! You should cover the Pokémon war theory next !

[@kaminari1028]

Man, I never thought about this, but I think you’re 100% correct!

[@EveryGameEver]

You are an absolute legend, my man!

[@SeltzerPlease]

Love it! I agree with Mewtwo returning to what they sense as a place of origin - especially considering in Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, the Tree of Life that Mew hails from is north of Mt. Moon in the same mountain system, so the likelihood of Mew DNA samples floating around there isn't too far off. (...and if Miyamoto got lost in the snow chasing Mew, she's possibly in the same mountains, unless she picked a rare weather day in Guyana :P) Anime references, sure, but I'm down for 'em. :D

[@KogawaYuri-ENVtuber]

WOW! This actually makes a lot of sense! Toby, you're a genius!

[@vincentking2552]

My theory on dig is that they stole it so when they recaptured mewtwo after a hard battle, then they could instantly get out without having to fight back through the cave with a seriously injured team. The grunts on the bridge. Stopping people from crossing while keeping the cave secret so others don't get to it first. But also that doesn't explain why the guard is in front of the cave blocking entry. Is he on Giovanni's payroll? And happened to stop getting payments once you became champion a few days after beating his boss, and shutting down team rocket??

[@Honey_Daddy]

That was what I thought too. We leave caves with magical spinning escape ropes or dig. Makes sense others would do the same, though idk why they wouldn't just use the magical spinning escape rope. They're dirt cheap.

[@satansgalaxy1472]

God i love watching your videos they make you think about the pokemon world and see it in a new way and its also just really fun and makes me happy so thanks for making your content

[@VoidDWG]

Yes. Toby. Please. More videos like this.

[@brocksmith7650]

This brought a layer to my childhood I never thought existed🤯

[@NY-Buddy]

4:37 FINALLY clarity on this. Always wanted to know how was it that they cloned Mew when nobody in the world can even catch it

[@geofff.3343]

Your theory doesn't exactly hold up to original gen 1 lore, but as that's been retconned, it's okay. In original Gen 1 lore they found evidence of Mew in South America and it is more so implied that Mewtwo was too powerful and caused the fire in the Cinnabar Mansion.

[@Rozabel163]

This is 1 of my favorite Pokemon chans on KZbin.

[@AllTheCards]

Pretty cool the old "Mew glitch" is also in CeruleanCity. You can actually get 2 mews there. Wiiild

[@hparkes93]

This is a genuinely great theory that fits so well

[@SaltExarch]

Honestly, I always figured Team Rocket were digging for fossils in Mt. Moon because they believed Mewtwo to be the most powerful Pokemon alive *at the time* , so they were trying to dig around for fossils of extinct Pokemon that rivaled Mewtwo's power.

[@madnessarcade7447]

I love the approach that events that take place in PLA is a beautifly effect for games set in modern times like bdsp And that manaphy story in bdsp essentially being a self fulfilling prophecy is a really unique and epic concept should be tackled in a video

[@WOLKsite]

This actually matches up somewhat with the original anime story, because as you know, Mewtwo only escaped recently, well... During the events of the series (though it was born much earlier on, per the prelude short for the movie).

[@ViscousJelly]

This video convinced me that all Generation One games & their remakes begin canonically on Pokemon Day, February 27th

[@samuel.thornton]

This video was surprisingly meaningful to me, in a nastalgic way. Pokemon Sword was the first Pokemon game I'd played since Gold. It was a lovely experience playing a pretty game and collecting a full dex with community hell while I rocked my new born who was born when the game was released. (Clearly I didn't mind the dex cut, as it made it more accessible, so I got a living dex.) The only complaint I had was that so much happened behind the scenes. You didn't get to join Leon on so many battles, you just had to imagine it. It didn't make the story worse, per se, but I first thought it felt different than the Pokemon I knew, which had you right in the heart of the action. But this video made me realize that is consistent with Pokemon from the beginning. From the get go you're a young trainer doing gyms, with some side encounters to the big time events of finding the mew fossil, creating Mewtwo, and Mewtwo escaping. It's not till later in the story that you suddenly join up with the big story, but not even until post game that you meet the legendary, the big part of the action you missed. You are a side story until you aren't, which makes Sword/Shield consistent with Pokemon from the get go. Strangely, that makes me appreciate my Sword experience a bit more.

[@animorph17]

I love how much innovation in the games just means "Catching up to what the anime has always had"

[@BobTheGodly]

My first mewtwo encounter was a lv 50ish Pikachu that hated me vs a level 70 mewtwo. Kid me decided to open with an ultraball and I'll never be that lucky again.

[@Samrules888]

in the games and the anime mew's fossil was found in guyana, south america. the location even shows up in the unused faraway island event in pokemon emerald.

[@supersaiyansalamence]

Dude this theory is insane!

[@grin_of_grimmsnarl1333]

Also worth noting that, while not exactly canon given access is locked behind glitching, Mew can be found twice in Cerulean City using the Trainer Fly glitch. It seems most reasonable that its fossils would be found around there, where it's most "abundant" in modern day.

[@nazeersadek6705]

That’s actually a really interesting theory and one that makes a lot of sense

[@cocolanfofolan2508]

February 6th is significant in telling us he was created only weeks before our journey started, cause the games were originally released in the end of february on what we now know as pokemon day ;)

[@nickynegron3515]

Great video as always Toby! And very plausible. But I haven't seen the scene with Lorelei. You said it was by Dark Cave but I went right into the cave with no event lmao. And I'm up to Blaine right now (haven't played in ages, been on a lot of other games these days lol). I also kind of wish there was both the LGFR Fact Checker and the Sevii Islands in the Let's Go games because while they were Gen 3 additions the games themselves were still of Gen 1 so it wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility. Honestly, they could have added it as like an extended Kanto National Dex and expansion dlc (maybe x100) for free so they could see how the additions played out as a test for the hardware to then go to Sw/Sh with it's DLC being improved on from there

[@krayonss]

let’s go. let’s get this old school series going then!

[@GRH_Roadhouse]

No sound on the Video mate Roadhouse

[@GRH_Roadhouse]

Never mind my volume was down 🙃 Roadhouse

[@Soulfire702]

@@GRH_Roadhouse Idiot. I'm sorry thats just my reaction dont take it personally. 😇

[@WarmLillie]

When I learned he actually has a real mewtwo, I could believe it.

[@ShogunAsh]

The only thing that makes me second guess this is the fact that Mew was found ALIVE in Guyana during Mr Fuji's lifetime, supposedly died during his lifetime and still had enough time to be fossilized.

[@ichibanbento]

I never thought of that! WEow, makes a lot of sense after looking back. As for a theory hmmmm, have you done one concerning what the original intent of having Zygarde in Alola before?

[@alexkarassavidis3023]

Confirmed then that the person blocking Cerulean Cave is not some representative from the Pokemon League but in fact an agent of Team Rocket, deterring would-be meddling trainers from interfering with the site of the somewhat recently discovered Mew fossil. Of course they're gone after you beat the Elite Four...Mewtwo just barreled through and yeeted the poor fool into the sea.

[@THUGR4TED]

fun fact for yall : giovanni in the beta versions of red and blue was actually a flying type gym leader with farfetchd, pidgeot, dodrio, aerodactyl, and fearow. thats why his earth badge is in the shape of a feather.

[@WarmLillie]

Why is Mewtwo now such a legendary shut-in and cave in at being only in one certain spot

[@schuldigom]

So weird that at some point youtube creators decided that rapid cuts between four second takes wasn't the worst form of media cancer

[@glennmorganfan9411]

....wow!.....a pokemon theory that ACTUALLY makes sense!!!......Amazing!!

[@aaronolson6736]

So do we start looking through the games then, starting with main legends and mysterious characters? Hmm....thinking about how in Emerald Kyogre and Groudon are sealed away in places they reside in (volcano and deep-sea cave), the fact that they are in stasis to the point of losing color, and the markings across their bodies that glow in response to the orbs, is it possible that these two are something of automatons similar to Regigigas. In that regard, Kyogre would have then been responsible for the creation Manaphy ("Prince of the Sea" as Kyogre is King) and Groudon responsible for Heatran (something that resides within the magma of volcanoes).

[@sheer_1]

A lot of what you said makes a lot of sense. I think they were looking for Mew fossils specifically for the purpose of resurrecting and genetically modifying one, much like the way Genesect is said to be a modified ancient fossil pokemon. Is it possible they could have been using the silph scope trying to find Mew ghosts, hoping that wherever Mew ghosts are, Mew fossils will be? Ghosts are supereffective against Psychic types but a lot of Kanto ghosts are also Poison type which kind of nullifies the advantage. Regardless, I think Mewtwo went to the Cerulean Cave because it wanted to protect the rest of the Mew fossils that were there from having the same fate. Giovanni himself uses Rhyhorn/Rhydon, two pokemon found in Cerulean Cave... Either way, awesome theory as always!!

[@GChezlynD]

Mewtwo at Ceru Cave because Mt Silver reserved for real Legends.

[@SagaciousSilence]

I think what we could say is basically confirmed is that Mr. Fuji is actually Dr. Fuji, and he authored the journals, and he clearly created Mewtwo from the DNA of mew. He’s in a state of grieving for the work that he’s done. Clearly team rocket is trying to get him to help Giovanni re-capture Mewtwo. And I totally agree, Tim rocket is out in the mountain area looking for fossils and that’s clearly where they got the fossil from Mewtwo and that’s why Meeteo returns to the cerulean cave. It’s also very sketchy how the lab to bring back fossils to life is on Cinnabar island right next to the abandoned mansion. I’m pretty sure the scientists there worked with Dr. Fuji to help you to, and they went to the mansion so that way they could have a secretive place to conduct their experiments. That’s why they installed all of those locks that you have to activate to get through the mansion.

[@Tydy0817]

A cool theory that could be looked into would be how the franchise ties into each other. For instance in every game, the goal is to become the champion, which happens. But after that you never hear of anything else, like no people in Kanto are talking about the new champion in Hoenn. Or how other important events happen around the world. How Eternatus came back potentially bringing the Darkest Day. While it effects Galar how come it doesn't draw attention in other parts. I mean yes it could be theorized and proven that each game is its own universe. Or that Pokemon can't have a game similar to what the anime is doing where you go around to every single region and becoming the new champion there. Meeting familiar trainers and leaders and creating a true one of a kind experience. As a dream future game it would be where you start in the new region and then travel to other regions for DLC as x dollars. It accomplishes national dex coverage and a platform for new games to be added to.

[@MarkusB69420]

Bröther, I love this theory, it really gets me thinking. Please look at the other generations, I'll let you know if I find anything.

[@MarkusB69420]

Insantly after looking at gen 2, I am convinced Silver is a child of Giovanni's. He treats Pokemon terribly and is only after the strongest Pokemon.

[@MarkusB69420]

Sorry brö, I didn't realize this is already cannon with in game refrences in HGSS. I completely missed this as I never played that game and never saw the celebi shown interaction of Giovanni abandoning him.

[@NanashiRyu]

This theory is very interesting, I think that it makes a lot of sense.

[@yasedb]

Cant no one throw shade at rby in game anymore, i buy this theory 100 percent

[@CyborgArmGun]

The Pokemon Adventures Manga gets very deep into this, some of which was retroactively made cannon in future games, the best example I can think of is Gen 2's lore of Silver (your rival in GS) being Giovanni's son being added into Game lore via HGSS because of it''s popularity. Also Kris, just wears Kotone (Lyra's) Overals witch is the biggest, funniest middle finger Pokemon Offical cannon has ever thrown to date.

[@Grey_Warden_Invasion]

I remember back in Pokemon Red there were a couple of diary entries lying around that told about the creation of Mewtwo. They started with them finding and capturing Mew, I can't remember anymore where they found Mew in the games but definitely not Kanto, Mew giving birth to a Pokemon they named Mewtwo and it ended with the mention that Mewtwo is getting too strong and uncontrollable. So Mewtwo actually was born by a living Mew, not coming from a fossil. Also, the end sounded a lot like Mewtwo caused a lot of destruction in the mansion, maybe didn't completely destroy it but at least enough that they had to abandon it - and I was already thinking that Mewtwo was the one who destroyed the mansion ten years before I actually watched the movie.

[@SbsGrinth]

Maybe Mewtwo is ALSO a time traveler!!! You forgot about number 8 encounter on the sevii islands postgame

[@TheMasterLagger]

I sort of remember the classic GBC games seemed to point more towards Team Rocket as a crime syndicate that's trying to make money where ever they can, and not necessarily aiming for taking over the world. Like the Gambling Corner for example. I think Giovanni pursuing the idea of creating a powerful Pokemon like Mewtwo would more likely be a way to keep himself protected from the authorities or other criminals outside his group. The cartoon takes some creative liberties with what information the games provide, so I can't really rely on them too much for context. I'm fairly certain the Pokemon Mansion was abandoned after the creation of Mewtwo, and not prior. The problem I have with the idea of the Mansion being abandoned prior to Mewtwo's creation is that Cinnibar Island is a very small island. Both the Mansion, Lab and Gym are in close proximity. I'd find it difficult to believe nobody would have left the Mansion alone for that long unless something major happened. Not to mention the Burglar Trainers that show up in the Mansion scavenging for loot. Had the Mansion been in disrepair before Mewtwo was created, I'd image the place would've had a lot more stuff salvaged. Regarding Silph Co, we know he went there to get the Master Ball, but I think he just discovered the Silph Scope by accident. If folks in Lavender Town were having ghost problems, having a device that hasn't been mass produced that could identify ghosts could be sold at quite a high price I'd imagine. As for the interest in digging up fossils, Giovanni is the Ground-Type Gym Leader. Chances are he probably knows how valuable Pokemon Fossils are and the means to profit off of them. Especially since rare Pokemon can be created from Fossils. Well, that's my take on the whole thing.

[@WarmLillie]

I guess in order to solve the mystery of the past, we have to go back to the future games afterwards them.

[@onijester56]

I would posit that the Cinnabar Mansion was destroyed maybe a year (plausibly less, but not too close) before, in the creation of Mewtwo. They had created Mewtwo, who then escaped. Thus Mr. Fuji left the endeavor, and Team Rocket continued their plan to clone the most-powerful Pokemon. Maybe find more fossils of Mew.

[@madnessarcade7447]

A theory about the bdsp arceus event would be cool and about why their approach makes sense

[@SuperPlacido1]

No, it doesn't make sense! In order to get Arceus in BDSP, you must first pay an extra $60 by purchasing Legends Arceus and second, complete Legends Arceus 100%. Then you are wrong!

[@TomAmit42]

04:06, 06:27 - I like to think that the date Red starts his journey is Febuarry 27th of whatever year that is, cuz that's the date the games were released. But that would mean that Mewtwo was created 3 weaks before Red starts his journey, as opposed to your suggestion that Mewtwo is created after Red starts his journey.